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I'm going to make a motion to

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approve.

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I 22nd, 2026 meeting of the

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city of Port Washington,

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Board of Public Works.

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Board member Camp Holly is

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absent today, but otherwise we

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do have a quorum.

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So we'll first go to item two

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approve the minutes of the

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previous meeting.

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Motion to approve.

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Motion to approve by Alderman

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City.

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Any questions or comments on

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the motion?

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Seeing none, all those in favor

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say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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That will take us to item three

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public comments and

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appearances.

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If you have a public comment

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or appearance, please limit

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your comments to three minutes.

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We will give 30 minutes for

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public comments and appearances.

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Please state your name and

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address and make sure to sign

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in and try to keep your

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comments relevant to the items

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on tonight's agenda.

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Do we have any public comments

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or appearances?

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My name is Dean Wiegert, my

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address is 3708 East Northport

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Drive in the town of Port

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Washington.

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And I'm here talking about the

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decision or the discussion and

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possible decisions on well use

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at the data center site.

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I have a copy of the letter

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that they received from the

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DNR regarding the use of the

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wells.

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What bothers me is that it

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seems that we were told that

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there would be no water taken

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directly from the lake and there

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would be no ground water so the

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city was running up water and

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sewer to the data center site and

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I don't even know if they still

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if they yet have that water is

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that why they're asking to use

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the wells.

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So I think that the public should

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know whether they actually have

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water and sewer running up to

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the data center and whether

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they're using city water.

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The wells that are approved by

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this letter say that they are

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under 70 gallons per minute,

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which is below the required

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the required amount from

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metering per the DNR letter.

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So how are we going to know how

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much water they use if it isn't

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metered or are you going to

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require it to be metered?

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Well, it's a very independent

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inspection of these wells and

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their usage.

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And what is the water used for?

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Will there be chemicals in the

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wastewater?

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How will the wastewater be

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disposed of?

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How long will they be able to

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use the wells indefinitely?

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The letter from the DNR

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mentions that two of the wells

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are going to be filled and sealed

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but the other two wells they don't

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mention anything about.

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So does that mean they're going

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to be able to use the wells to

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use the wells?

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Well, the water is going to be

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able to use the wells since it is

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city property.

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Has the city hired a hydrologist

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to confirm any of the details of

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this?

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As a town of Port homeowner with

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a well about a mile from the

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data center, I am begging you to

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be able to answer these questions

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before you allow the data center

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to use the wells.

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Please do your deal.

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Your due diligence and figure

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out what the water is being used

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and how it will be monitored and

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reported.

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The Beaver dam residents have

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already had their wells go dry

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from the data center that's being

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built there.

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Please don't be responsible for

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this happening here.

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All of the residents in the town

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of Port are depending on this.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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Tracy Finch of Port Washington.

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I am asking.

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You know where I live.

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I need your address.

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1142 West Portview Drive.

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And make sure you sign in also.

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I'm asking the public worse to

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deny any permit that would allow

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Vantage to use the wells on their

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property.

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I'm asking the public worse to

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deny any permit that would allow

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small water user.

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Vantage has shown has not shown

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how much water their closed-loop

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system actually needs and without

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that information, any withdrawal

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from the local wells puts nearby

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residents at risk.

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Heavy pumping lowers the water

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table, slows recharge and cause

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well interference.

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Meaning homes and farms can lose

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pressure, lose access entirely,

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and have their own expense,

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which shouldn't happen.

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This isn't theoretical.

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It has already happened in other

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Wisconsin communities, including

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Beaver Dam.

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We also have a serious

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concern about water quality.

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We don't know what chemicals

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Vantage plants use their closed-loop

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system.

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A system that has never been tested

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anywhere else, cooling water

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collects dissolved solids and

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treatment chemicals, if any of

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that leaks or is discharged, it

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can move straight into the aquifer

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our residents rely on.

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Private wells don't have that same

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protection as municipal's

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system.

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And once an aquifer is contaminated,

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it's almost impossible to fix.

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And there's a basic question no one

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has answered.

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Why isn't Vantage using the

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municipal water line that was

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already built from the water plant

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to their sites?

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That line exists.

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It was designed for industrial

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users.

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If that system is safe, why avoid

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regulated water source and

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instead turn to private wells?

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The option with the highest risk

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to residents.

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Choosing wells is choosing less

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oversight.

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Port Washington wells were built

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for community use, not industrial

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extraction.

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Allowing Vantage to tap them

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creates a long risk that

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residents, not the company, will

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carry for decades.

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This is completely preventable.

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The responsible choice is simple.

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Don't grant the permits for the

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well use.

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We can support development without

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sacrificing our water security, but

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we cannot replace an aquifer once

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it's damaged.

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Thank you.

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Any other public comments or

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appearances?

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We have a few more.

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Okay.

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Chris Ackman, one would say

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South Garfield Avenue,

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or Washington.

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This is also addressed to the

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rest of the Common Council who's

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not here to me, including mayor.

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Well, I'm back.

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The fight is not over.

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Since I've been here last, a

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plethora of new developments and

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lawsuits are right.

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We're showcasing what a debacle

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this entire thing is.

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From Oracle trying to shape down

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and sue the PSC because Oracle

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refuses to honor their end of the

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agreement, all while seeing their

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business readings drop showing us

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what a bad deal it is to be doing

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business with them.

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And the Sierra Club suing the

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DNR for failing their duties of

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holding Vantage accountable and

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doing a thorough impact

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investigation before giving the

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green light.

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It's just bad, bad, bad.

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Don't get me started on these

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comments from Cloverleaf.

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You did this.

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Everything you promised is a lie.

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And it's now blowing up in our

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faces.

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And we told you for all your

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comments that are relevant to

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this work.

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Thank you.

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Don't interrupt me.

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Ted?

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Okay.

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Should I start over?

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Can I have my time back?

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You can give your relevant

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comments or you can sit down.

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Those are your choices.

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It's in the speech.

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Thank you.

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Then jump to the relevant

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portion for this board.

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It leads into that.

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Please continue.

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Get to your relevant comments.

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Ooh, sucking me up on my time,

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I guess.

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All right.

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Now tonight you talk about

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granting these white collar

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criminals permits for well

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water.

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I am sick.

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Vantage, if you are here tonight

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in this crowd, turn around and

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get out of our town.

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Go ahead and look at what's

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happening to several towns in

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the state after data centers

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powered on streams, rivers and

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creeks run dry.

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Wells run dry.

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When the water comes back,

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it's poisoned.

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We don't want you here.

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The common council here is a

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disgrace.

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All of you who approved this are

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no better than any of this.

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In fact, you may be even worse

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for bending over for such

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destruction.

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Now I have to hear about

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this.

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This is happening in states

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all across the country and you

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think it's going to be

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different here, sickening.

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I would like to take a moment

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and give a nod of appreciation

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to Michael Beaster for being the

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only man sitting at the table

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with a backbone and truly

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earning his position with the

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people's seat.

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The rest of you failed.

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Oh, and to add, yes, I'm aware

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this is for the construction

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phase.

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But let's face the facts.

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When it is built and they are

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ready to power on, where do you

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think they're going to get this

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water from?

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City water?

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Guess where that comes from?

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Exactly.

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Allowing this allows that

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doom day to come.

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Now is our time to obstruct.

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Our aquifers and lake is more

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important than your

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sheisty business deals.

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Go poison someone else.

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Thank you for robbing me of my

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time.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Everybody.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Hi.

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My name is Sebastian Elicher.

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I live in 137 East Cleveland

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Road, just up the hill.

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I'm asking the common council

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members today to deny the

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wells permit requested by

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Vantage data center.

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I don't ask you to deny them

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forever or for good, but I would

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ask you to pause any further

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permits.

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The current lawsuit against the

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DNR has already revealed

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deeply concerning details about

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the possible implications of

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this project.

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And these details were never

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disclosed to the public and

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they call into question, at least

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temporarily.

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The safety and the

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sustainability of the proposed

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project.

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I want to remind the council also

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of something very simple and

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Aldermann Gasper thankfully

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shared those public in social

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media today.

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And that is that the city was

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told or the citizens were told

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that Vantage would not use

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wells.

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And that commitment matters.

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It was part of public trust

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and that should not be discarded

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now.

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And therefore I would ask the

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voting members today to deny

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that request by Vantage.

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Thank you.

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Are there any other public

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comments or appearances?

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Good afternoon.

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Thank you.

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I'm just going to reinforce a

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lot of what some of these other

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people said.

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We were told no well water.

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I spent six months having to

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drive on gravel and on crappy

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roads because you guys were

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putting a pipe in to give them

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the water that they claim they

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need.

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So why now do they also need the

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water from the aquifer?

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Just more BS.

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They have lied about everything

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from the get go.

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Okay.

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I'm going to put you all on

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notice too.

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That if and when there's a

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problem with my well, I will be

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holding the city libel.

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So be prepared for more lawsuits

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because all these other neighbors

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feel the exact same way.

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So this is public notice that we

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are aware of what you're doing

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and we're going to hold you

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libel.

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Vantage isn't here because they're

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too busy schmoozing with

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Jody Habersch-Cineken today.

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So they're not here as usual to

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listen to how the people actually

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feel.

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Our good neighbors are never

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here to listen to how we feel

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because they don't care.

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The city has proven time and time

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again that none of you care either.

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As a couple of people have

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mentioned, people in Beaver Dam

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have had water problems.

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I've seen people in Georgia, people

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in Oregon, people in Virginia.

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All of a sudden it's the same thing.

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The developer says that

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they're going to use whatever

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water and then next thing you know,

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during construction they're using

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the well water.

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And then the citizens who have

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been here and will be here after

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Vantage leaves in the 15 years

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that they committed to

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are the ones that are screwed.

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And I have to pay tens of thousands

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of dollars for new wells.

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Make this make sense.

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Make it make sense

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for anyone.

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Who's monitoring the water?

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What enforcement teeth

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come with that?

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So far there's been nothing.

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They've not been punished for anything

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that they have lied about in the past.

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We're tired of it.

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We are the citizens.

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We are the citizens who elect

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these clowns that are serving us.

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What happened to the promise

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that Vantage made that they would

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only be using the city water

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and in limited numbers?

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You know, I keep reading

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about a supposed truck wash.

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Is that what this water's going

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for to wash their trucks?

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Come on.

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And you know,

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if they claim they only need 12,000

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gallons per day,

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why can't they drive their tanker

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truck over to the hydrant like they've

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been doing ever since construction started?

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What has changed?

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Is it that they don't want to pay for

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the city water now that it's gotten so expensive?

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Where's the accountability?

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Thank you.

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You should all be ashamed.

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Do we have any other public comments

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or appearances?

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Carry one stole 1036

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shady lane in Grafton.

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I am going to not reiterate

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everything that's been said here,

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though I share a lot of the feelings

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that have been shared here.

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And I really want to ask you to look at

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the folks that are over here and look them in the

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eye. These are your neighbors.

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These are the people that live in your

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city who have trusted

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port to act in the best interest of their

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citizens.

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And there is no going back.

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There is no going back once an aquaphor

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has been contaminated

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or drained dry.

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And I really would like you to pause

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and take a look at the movement

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that has happened in Cedarburg

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called Save Cedar Creek

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where the gothiers wanted to put in

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high-capacity wells

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to fill a ski lake.

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And the outrage at that.

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And that isn't even talking about

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possible contamination.

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So I'm asking you to really

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pause, do not vote

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for a yes on this today

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and take a look.

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Ask for environmental studies to be done

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like they did in Cedarburg.

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Ask for the accountability.

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Time and time again what we have seen

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happening in Port Washington

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and that is being discussed throughout

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the summer is how sad it is

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that vantage is getting

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everything that they want.

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They have walked back

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everything they said they were going to

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do and doubled down

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and at every step they have gotten

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a positive vote to support

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them and gone back

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on the promises that they have made.

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And so guys,

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Port Washington needs some positive PR.

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Let's be real here.

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So how about today we take a

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pause and we support the citizens

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and the community not

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vantage and just

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take the time to make sure the

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studies are being done to hold

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vantage accountable to one

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thing which is that they were not

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going to be using any well water.

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Thank you.

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If you spoke please make sure you sign

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in on the sign sheet.

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Hi, I'm Heidi Janis

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44-46 Wylers way

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in the town of Port

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neighbor of the data center.

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I just want you to know

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I'm not going to repeat what

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they said either you know what's going on.

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We really don't want to

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come see you all the time.

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We're so tired of everything

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and you just sit there and stare at us

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and you don't say anything.

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We don't have anything in return

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we never get a response.

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You're not living there

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with the god awful dust

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that's in our house all the time

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the crap on the roads

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the broken windshield just name it

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right?

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I mean we're so sick of it

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I've had to see a cardiologist

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because I'm so upset about everything

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and I'm a healthy person.

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Have you had to?

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Thank God.

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Thank God.

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We have Michael Bista.

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So that's all I have to say is

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for God's sake listen to us

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we're the ones living with it

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not you.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Any other comments or questions?

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All right. There are no more

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than we will move on to item four

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which is consideration

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and possible action

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for collection of garbage

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and recyclables.

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All right.

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So five years ago the city

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switched.

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It's a collector for garbage

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and recycling from waste

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management to harders

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and they've done an excellent job

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over the last five years.

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In fact, they couldn't find any

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records of any complaints.

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So they have submitted

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a amendment to renew

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their contract per the original

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contract.

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We also received a proposal

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from GFL green for life

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that was similar in price

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but just a little bit

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more expensive than the

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harders renewal.

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Mike Thune is here from

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harders.

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If there are any questions but the

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recommendation from the Board

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rather to the Board of Public

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Works is to renew the

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agreement with harders.

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And I should point out that

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this will result in

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because we are seeing a

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reduction in cost.

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So result in some cost savings

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already yet this year

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and then next year.

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All right.

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Do we have any questions

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comments?

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All right. I just had one small

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one and we had spoke about it

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and we had a lot of questions

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and in lieu of the

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doctor's excuse which I think

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is an overreach on their behalf.

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I understand it for the

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backdoor pickup but I think

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as a resident if we want a

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smaller trash can because many

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of us live in smaller houses

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that that should be an option

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and I don't know what the price

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of the can is but.

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So I talked to Mike and they

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already have so if somebody

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wants to switch out their can

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because it's their cart

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because it's dirty or whatever

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reason if it's broken

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harders replaces it at no charge

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but if you just want to replace

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your cart because it's looking

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dingy they charge $100.

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So this would be the same thing

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if you want to change out your

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cart to a different cart

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it would be a $100 fee.

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I would be good with that.

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All right. Any other comments

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otherwise I will be entertaining

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a motion on this item.

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I'll make a motion to approve

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harder renewal of contract.

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All right staff recommended.

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We have a motion by Alderman

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Miller is there a second?

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Second. Second by Alderman

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Beaster. Any questions

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on the motion? Seeing none

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all those in favor say aye.

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Aye. Opposed? Motion carries

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All right.

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Thank you. All right that

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goes to item five.

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Consideration and possible

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action on a state municipal

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agreement with WISTOT for

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constructing a bump out to the

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crosswalk at Portview and

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State Trunk Highway 32 and

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painting high visibility

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crosswalks at all locations

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on State Trunk Highway 32.

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Okay. So this is an item that

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we discussed. I think I put

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in the memo in our January

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meeting and there was

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a motion from the Board of

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Public Works at the time once

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we reviewed the plans that

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WISTOT has for updating

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all the handicapped

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rams to the new ADA

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requirements that are in

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place.

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The consensus of the

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committee was to add high

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visibility crosswalks to the

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crossings and that was

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consistent with the

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recommendation that we received

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that was just completed

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and approved in June.

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Okay. So we've added

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so we've added high visibility

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crosswalks to all

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crosswalks on the

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State Highway and then

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in consultation with

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our traffic safety

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committee as well as the

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Board of Public Works.

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Again, there was consensus that

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there was a desire to

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have a bump out at

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Portview Drive to protect

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bicyclists and pedestrians

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from cars going around

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cars that are stopped

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for, again, for people

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crossing in the northbound

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direction. So if they're in the

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northbound direction, sometimes

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people get confused. They think

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the cars is stopped just to

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make a left turn and then

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people go around and could

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possibly have an accident

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or something like that.

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Okay. So we are

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recommending that as part of

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this crosswalk improvement

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program that we add a bump

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out to add additional safety

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for people crossing at the

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Interurban Trail at Portview

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and South Spring Street.

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And so if approved, this

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would go into the we would

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have this this would go to

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the Council for approval

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of the State Municipal Agreement

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and then be put in the

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budget for 2029.

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All right. Do any questions

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comments on this item?

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If not, I will entertain

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a motion on this item.

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I'll move to accept the staff

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recommendation to

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move this forward.

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All right. We have a motion by

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Alderman Beaster. Is there a

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second?

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What? Miller? Miller?

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Oh, sorry. All around Miller.

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Sorry.

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Is there a second? Mr.

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Sundorf? Sorry. I was

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writing the note.

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Yeah.

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Any questions on the motion?

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Seeing none. All those in favor?

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Say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion

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carries. All right.

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That brings us to item six

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consideration and possible action

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on well permits for the

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data center. Roger.

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All right. So

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as everyone's noted here at

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public comments, we have

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well permits here for the data

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center. What our ordinance is

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and the intention of this really

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is to make sure that we're not

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getting cross connections

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from the water supply line.

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That's the purpose of our ordinance.

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So in that regard,

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as it's been noted,

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water to water, our water

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means are not

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brought up to Lake Drive at this time

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yet. So there's no

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concern about a cross connection.

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So we do

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have

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I guess we

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do have some other existing wells

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in the city.

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We don't have those permits at this time.

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The water superintendents working

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on bringing

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those in, but we don't want to hold

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hold these up any longer

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because this community knows

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they're using water using

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the wells.

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So originally they had four

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wells in their application.

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One well has been abandoned

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approximately a month ago.

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The

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three wells,

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one of the remaining three

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wells is used for a rental property

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they have, which is rented to the

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same

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my understanding as the seed company

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that's been there previously.

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So it's

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same capacity, same use at that

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well.

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So there are the two remaining

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wells

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they're

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combining to provide 12,000 gallons

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of water a day to their

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trailer city.

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Our

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ordinances don't regulate

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capacity.

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DNR has issued a high capacity

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well permit to them

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that does regulate their capacity.

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The two address some of the

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comments what what we could add

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to our permit would be

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the wells are metered.

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That's one of the DNR

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requirements.

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We could ask for monthly reporting

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of the water usage.

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The other

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the easy thing to ask

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would be if there's any

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modifications to the wells

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most specifically if the pumps are

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lowered, that we be notified

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of.

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And the reason I say that

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the only reason you'd be lowering

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the pumps is because

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the aquifer level is coming down

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and they would be the first people

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impacted.

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I think those could be two

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reasonable things to add to

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the permit.

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And other than that

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doesn't entertain any questions.

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Roger.

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So is there anyone from

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the public?

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I'm just asking.

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Trying to answer some of your

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questions.

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So the public water

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and sewer that was on track

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to be installed is not yet

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at a point where they can use

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that water.

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Correct?

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Yes or no?

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Yes or no?

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What does that mean?

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The water is at the south end

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but they are using

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from the hydrants down there

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they are getting water in

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or water tankers for dust

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control

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other uses that they have on

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site.

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It's not all the way up the lake

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drive.

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So from island drive to lake

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drive that runs through

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vanishes property that's

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a private water main

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they are in the process of

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installing it.

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What is the ETA on that?

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I don't know.

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I have to get back to you on

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that question.

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So we have

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two projects that will go out

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to bed this fall to bring

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water up to lake drive

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for by next summer.

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So lake drive shouldn't be

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completed for another year

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at the most.

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I would say that's a good

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assumption.

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So the

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well water that is being used

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what I just heard you say is

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that one is in a seed

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company's rental property

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that they are currently

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working out of still

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and then the two remaining

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wells water their

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trailer city which are adjacent

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to the existing homes that

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were there are still there.

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But are

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they're using it not only in

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that building but to also

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with their trailer city.

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It's the

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provide domestic plumbing to

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trailer city.

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And you said that those wells are

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metered or are they

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metered?

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They are metered.

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And so have we seen any

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of these wells that are

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using?

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I should back up.

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We have not seen any

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results.

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They are required to be

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metered.

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They don't get meters from us

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to my knowledge.

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Okay.

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So no meters from us.

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So we have no knowledge or

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they don't report to us what they

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have been using as their

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well water.

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So we have no

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knowledge or belief that they are

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going to use that

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well water for the closed loop

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system because they're not that

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far.

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There's nothing there's nowhere to

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go.

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Correct.

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And as of today

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you have no knowledge or

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belief that they are going to use

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that well water for the closed

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loop system.

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So they're looking at

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first quarter of next year to

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start to fill their closed new

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system.

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January through March.

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So they're intent to get the

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water into the closed loop system

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has up and shared with us.

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Could you repeat that?

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Their intention because

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that I'm sorry.

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Lake Drive will not be open

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as of yet.

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So they have not shared or

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they have shared with them.

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They have.

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Their intent is that will be

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coming from our water main

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because they've been sharing

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roughly how much water

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they'll be using to fill that

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time frame so we can make sure

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that works with our water plan

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condition.

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And that's in writing or is that

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just that's what we want or

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that's what we know?

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What?

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That's what we want to do.

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Work with me.

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I'll work with you.

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Right.

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To my knowledge.

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There's an agreement but there's

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emails that they provided us

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and we've talked to them.

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Okay.

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Do we have any if they don't

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tell the truth do we have any

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ability to walk this back?

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Yes.

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They use more water than we can

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do.

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If we're talking about

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the wild so that that's where

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my two recommendations come

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if we get their

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because they report to the DNR

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annually.

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They're useless.

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So we can ask for monthly.

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We could ask for weekly and

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whatever we want but it just

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becomes a matter of handling all

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the data.

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Okay.

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So the gray water out of the

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wells.

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What is their plan for that?

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That is going to a holding tank

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and they

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pump that holding tank when it's

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full and they pump that

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holding tank where?

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They either haul it to our

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remote dump site or to another

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facility.

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And that is metered?

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That would not be metered.

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That you just rely on the

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way we rely on people

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sewer and water bills.

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At home.

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If they come to us with the

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waste we can tell by how many

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take-your-trucks come.

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And we accept waste from other

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companies and process

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that at our waste facility

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correct?

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Yes.

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And that we test

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if there's any reason that we're

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suspicious about it but

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generally we don't test.

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Correct.

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Okay.

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If that's the case would we

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just test to be on the safe

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side?

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I mean there is a cost.

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Right.

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And what about how much would that

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cost be to do testing?

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You don't have to give me a number

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now but a ballpark.

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Like thousands of dollars?

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Yes.

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We're doing standard

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BOD nutrient testing.

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BOD tell me what that means.

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Biological oxygen man.

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Thank you.

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That's a typical measurement at the

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wastewater plant.

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Okay.

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A couple hundred bucks.

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If we start getting heavy

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metals.

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Volatiles.

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I would have no reason to suspect

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we're getting any of that.

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I would have to expect the DNR

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to do to safeguard what's going

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on.

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Is it reasonable for us to

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expect that?

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I

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DNR is only going to hear

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results once a year.

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So I mean they have a lot

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heavier hammer than we are but

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I would not anticipate that

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they're doing literally

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inspections or anything like that.

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Okay.

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Thank you for your time.

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All right.

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Any other questions comments?

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Yeah.

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So do we know if the applicant has

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begun drawing water from the wells?

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Is this a formality that like

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or if this gets approved tonight?

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Do they begin being able to do it

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tomorrow or?

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I

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I don't know if they're using it

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currently.

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My suspicion is because these are

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wells that they probably are being

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used.

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Certainly to some extent because

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we went out and did back

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T which is bacteria testing

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on them to make sure they make sure

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they're not equal like contaminated

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so that in their

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negative that would tell me that

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there's been some they're being

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used.

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Okay.

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I'll just add a high level.

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I'll say I don't necessarily like

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the

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information that I've brought about

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as others spoke about

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transparency in community

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updates.

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We have you know if you go to

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Vanna to D.C.

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Lighthouse campus.com.

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It's a partnership built on trust.

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And the construction updates

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pages like one page hasn't been

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updated since April.

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It's got one picture of the

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detour for late drive so and

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I'm sure I've seen grocery stores

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and banks that do a better job of

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communicating their construction status

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to the local community.

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And this would be a good example of

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something that should have been

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a little bit more proactive.

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But you know even if I said all

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the aside I guess if I were

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evaluating this for like a local

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business who was trying to make

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money but also concerned about

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protecting natural resources my

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question would be do we have

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maybe this is already available

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but do we have like a third

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party certified list of all the

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chemical solvents diesel fuel

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all those kind of things that

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could potentially enter into the

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aquifer and then like what would

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be the emergency plan if

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you know like a

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notification and containment

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plan if there were a spill if

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there were a thousand gallon diesel

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spill or something you know

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is that something that the city

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is aware of?

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I am not I mean I would

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I would anticipate that they would

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have

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SDS sheets for all

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their chemicals are using

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OSHA requirement

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spill containment

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they would

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likely have a spill containment

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SPCC plan some sort

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but that wouldn't be shared with us

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the fire department might know

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something about that it probably was

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filed with the county emergency

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management office because they have

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the hazmat team and deal with

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that sort of thing

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okay I guess my other comment would be

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and I

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I'd like to see

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some sort of sunset date put on

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this as well

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I know this gets renewed every

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five years but

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you know I think right now it says

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until city water is connected or

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construction is complete or something

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you know if I keep

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if I keep a 10 by 10 concrete pad

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on my property and I add a brick to it

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every day am I still under

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construction

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so I'd like to see

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like whatever the anticipated

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construction completion date is

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plus six months or something like that

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put on like at this point

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public works

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or the public works

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committee members could come in and

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provide that the wells have been

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capped well and I would

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I would recommend on that

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and we're planning on having

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water up there

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by August next year so if you

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want to say end of September

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or you could go into the year

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if you're fuel gracious but

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that'd be something for the board

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to consider

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yeah I guess those are my comments

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as it's currently structured I

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wouldn't be in support

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of any of the questions being answered

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Roger would you just maybe

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you mentioned it but you just clarify

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how they're planning to fill the closed

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loop system if

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city water isn't going to be there until

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August and you said they were looking to

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start doing that first quarter

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well the city water is coming up

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from a self-end

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they're building that that through their

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site currently so that's

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on them to get that

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lateral done yeah

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yeah but if they want to

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if they want to have their closed

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loop system on schedule

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it's on them to get the water up there

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okay

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if we

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if we deny the request

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how does that affect the business the seed

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business that has

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continued to use that one well for their

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normal operations

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I guess I'd have to throw that

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legal question but

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I think certainly if we

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deny use of the wells

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in a requirement cap

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that's

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they'd be out of water

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what is the

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urgency to

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have this approved

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really

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really it's

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for compliance with DNR regulations that

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any

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municipal or any groundwater wells

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in a city because we're on a municipal

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system that's required to be permitted

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every five years okay

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so

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all right

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yeah

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I just would point out if they were

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going to use the wells for filling their

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closed loop system they would have to build

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a significant amount of infrastructure to get

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these wells connected to their

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closed loop system too and it

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is nowhere near the capacity of what the city

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or water would be

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so I'm not sure that makes

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a lot of sense to expect they would realistically

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do that it also would

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most likely be pretty hard

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water and have a bunch of extra minerals in it

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they would have to remove that they don't

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have to deal with with city water so

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I don't find it a compelling

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argument that they would

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use it for their closed loop system

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there's too many disadvantages for them

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to do that

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so my understanding

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too the sites for this are all

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north of lake drive the three remaining

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wells yes yes

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so everything is being built south of lake

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drive so it's

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further construction for if they were to do that

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plus they'd have to cross

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lake drive and get our permission

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to put a pipe

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connect crossing lake drive

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so they couldn't just do that

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unless they were going to load them on the trucks

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and tanker it over which

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would seem pretty an efficient way to go about it

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so I don't find it a compelling

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concern that that's what they're going to use the water for

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so

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yeah

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and they're using this for

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their homes and their

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and their offices use basic

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primarily so now

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silence please

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please silence

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or I will ask to have you

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removed

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do you want to try it

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no then

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be quiet silence

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all right

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so I guess I will entertain

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a motion on this item

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please

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I've asked

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for you to remain silent

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if you want to talk you can go outside into the hall

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you can talk as much as you want out there

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just to add

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just to add to your question

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a motion so so this board

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their motion would be to recommend the city council

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city council is the one that will issue the permit

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all right so it would be if we want to do a motion that we're going to include

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any time limits metering anything like that this would be

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a good place to put that in as a recommendation

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I would like to make a motion to postpone this until we can draft

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a better response

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hasn't happened so

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I think we can because they're going to

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correct me if I'm wrong that they

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can and will be continuing to use the water even if we don't

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issue that permit today it's not like anybody's going to go in there and stop

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them correct I would not anticipate that

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I didn't think so either so

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all right um for a motion to postpone we need a

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date certain date certain yes which I believe our next meeting is

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I 30 on August 11th

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it's the next scheduled meeting

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yes unless you want

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a special one I have a question that does the motion

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include what we need to see for the next meeting

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or is it just to develop a better plan she's making the motion right now

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so does it include that um there hasn't been a second yet

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so you she can take a friendly amendment

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or we can second it and then you can move to amend the motion

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I'm happy to take a friendly

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all right so what explicitly do we want

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to be brought to the sport then

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I mean I would like to at least see

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an emergency plan as a documented emergency plan as well

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as a sunset date on it

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I don't know how specific we need to be

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what would an emergency plan be related to this well just like

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the chemicals and site and how much diesel fuel we

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how is that relevant to the well because

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if they have diesel fuel on the site and they spill it that's completely

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irrelevant to this item it could enter

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into the aquifer it could happen if we don't approve this and they spill it

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still enter into the aquifer it's kind of irrelevant to this

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we can ask for it and say that we want that but I think it's irrelevant

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so what I think I'm hearing

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is distinct timelines when it will begin when it will end

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any testing that is deemed appropriate by the city

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and if metering is appropriate to flesh that out a little bit more

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and a finite that they will not be using well water

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within the closed loop system

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and have metered greywatered

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metered going out, metered coming back in so that it can

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be matched

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all right so I'd probably call it black water more than grey water but

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same difference okay so the most well first off

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so the motion includes that this will be postponed

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until the August 11th meeting of the Board of Public Works

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it is to include a

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definitive time such a sunset date and a

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beginning date when this will be applicable

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it will include

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whether or not this water will be used in a closed use system

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and do we want to include the emergency plan as much

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I think that's irrelevant if you want to include that we can

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I'd like to see it in there what do you think?

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Okay and emergency plan all right so

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then I hope you've got it written

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down so we're looking for

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an emergency plan date certain

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that whether it will be used in a closed loop system

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and the motion will postpone this item

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until August 11th at which time that information will be brought back to us that's correct

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do I have everything? Yes sir. Okay is there a second on that item?

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Second. Second by Alderman Beaster. Is there any discussion

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on the motion? All right seeing none

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those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

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All right.

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All right

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that brings us to item seven consideration and possible action

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on a proposed stormwater and erosion control ordinance

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or both of them ordinances

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Okay you can leave this and we'll go ahead

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so we've been working on our erosion control and stormwater ordinances

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along with our stormwater management plan which we gave an overview of last week

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and I'll have Aaron Volkening from Stantek kind of

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briefly go over

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what's included in those ordinances

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Is this sounds like a time right?

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So relevant to the city's municipal stormwater management program

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there are two chapters of the city ordinance

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chapter 473

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titled stormwater management really covers what we call post construction

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stormwater management requirements you know what

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land development has to permanently put in place to manage stormwater

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once the construction phase is done. There's also chapter 446

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erosion control which covers erosion

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and sediment control related to stormwater runoff during construction

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as part of the overall city stormwater

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management plan we reviewed those ordinances I know you did make some changes

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to them I believe a couple years ago which were good

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as part of this stormwater management plan we did a comprehensive review of those ordinances

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and are recommending some changes to both chapters

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for chapter 473 the stormwater management ordinance

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I'd say the major changes are

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the ordinance would require new land

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development to meet phosphorus reduction requirements that are

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in the TMDL the total maximum daily load

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that DNR and EPA have set forth

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for the city they're actually two different TMDL's

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so the TMDL requires the city

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to in the long run make

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phosphorus reductions to run off the city

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is going to be legally hold held to those requirements through their

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MS4 permit stormwater discharge permit although the timing of that is not yet

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set so what the ordinance change does is that

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it makes new development follow those same

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hazards if the ordinance

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didn't include those TMDL requirements what would happen

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would be as soon as a property

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developed the city would be getting further away from your long-term

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compliance target so these targets

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are higher than the statewide sort of general

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requirements for phosphorus reduction in stormwater they're higher than the current requirements

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but they're they're much required by the TMDL

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you get credit as part of your

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TMDL compliance for adapting

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these these phosphorus requirements the DNR doesn't explicitly tell you

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your ordinance has to follow the TMDL requirements

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but you're going to have a problem with compliance if you don't put this

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in your ordinance basically we also would

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recommend that a fee in lieu system be applied

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you know there might be situations where because of site constraints

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it is you know simply not possible to

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meet those phosphorus reduction requirements they are pretty stringent

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in which case there would be potentially

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the city could potentially entertain a fee in lieu of payment

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the ordinance wouldn't set forth that payment schedule that would

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be adopted separately another major change I guess

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is establishing a

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recertification program for privately owned stormwater BMPs

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things like detention ponds by retention cells

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stuff like that right now there's some language in the ordinance that

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you know is kind of general about

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some some kind of minimal level of annual reporting and stuff like that

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the DNR is

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basically wanting municipalities to

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you know be more diligent and strict about record keeping

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and the maintenance and inspection of privately owned facilities

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so this is one approach a lot of municipalities have taken

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they require every certain number of years that

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the owner of a private facility do a formal inspection

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it has to be certified either by a professional

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engineer a professional landscape architect

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a professional surveyor and you know basically inspect the facility

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verify that it is working okay verify that it's still

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you know is generally in accordance with its original design

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and submit that to the city something that other

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municipalities have used successfully there's also some

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some of the language in the ordinance was out of date with regards

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to things like current rainfall data that's used

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references to current DNR standards there's some

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updates that are necessary to bring that into play

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with regards to chapter 446 the erosion control ordinance

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we're incorporating there

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for the last I don't know eight to ten years or so

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state level there have been numeric requirements for sediment control

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during construction

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basically you have to do BMPs construction BMPs things like

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silt fence sediment traps inlet filters stuff like that

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to minimize sediment that's running off the site

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at a state level that's already required so the ordinance

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the municipal ordinance is inconsistent with the state requirements right now

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it's just best practice to bring those in line with state requirements

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it's not going to change what you know what developers do

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or the cost to them because they already have to meet the state requirements

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and they have to get a state approval called a notice of intent for construction

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site so it would not change that

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we need to adjust the size of the

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development that the ordinance already talks about two different levels of erosion

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control plan that are required right now

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a more detailed plan is required for sites over five acres

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a less detailed plan is required for sites under five acres

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that was based on some earlier state and federal regulation

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since that has happened the new breakpoint according to state and federal

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regs is one acre everything over an acre needs a

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detailed erosion control plan the city has

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the option of requiring a less stringent plan

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of some kind a more general plan for sites under an acre

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you already have that you know there's a minimum size where nothing has to be

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done I can't remember the exact number a certain number of

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square feet but you know we would again just recommend that the ordinance

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be changed be consistent with state requirements

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again it's not going to require the developer to really

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add cost or do anything different because to meet state standards they already have to do this

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detailed erosion control for over an acre it's just bringing it

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into alignment with state requirements the other

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thing you know that that's sort of a notable change is

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we're adding language the erosion control ordinance that

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codifies that a fee must be paid there's a

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some discrepancy in the existing ordinance right now there's some sections to talk about

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you know the ability of the city to charge a fee but

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it's honestly not super clear as far as whether the city is

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actually going to charge a fee I don't think you do right now

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correct me if I'm wrong you know most most means pouties do charge

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a fee for erosion control plans it's usually

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scaled you know single family homes there's a smaller fee for

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an entire subdivision there would be a larger fee you know so the recommendation

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the way the ordinance is written right now you know

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or the recommended revised ordinance explicitly

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says that the city is going to charge a fee for erosion control permits

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being issued if you don't want to charge a fee at all then

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there's probably some changes that would modify

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a couple other sections the ordinance to take out the implication there is a fee

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so I think those are the the substantive changes

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I don't know Roger if there's anything else that you want to mention that I forgot to mention

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we do we do charge an erosion control fee okay

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okay so then it's it's more of a matter of just

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clarifying the ordinance language on that one we charge your okay

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alright any comments or questions

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I have one question for you so this has a minimum area

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that the erosion control ordinance

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has a it's applicable applicable to a minimum area of

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4,000 square feet would I be correct in assuming

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that for an area smaller than that that this

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still could be enforceful but it's enforceable but it's

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up to the discretion of the building inspector to enforce it

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or is this just not applicable at all if it's less than

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4,000 square feet I'd have to check the language I think

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there's language in the ordinance that sort of if if a problem is apparent

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it gives the city the discretion to enforce

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you know standards for

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for smaller sites or if you know if there's a concern

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going into construction the city I believe has that authority

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okay yes I can think of one

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one erosion control issue that was a bit of a problem a few years back that would have been

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a border line on whether it was 4,000 square feet or not but it was on a steep slope

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and it eventually got resolved but

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that's why I'm asking because

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my understanding is that that still should be up to the discretion of the

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building inspector but I'm just not sure if this is directly applicable

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or if the building inspector would just have to give a separate order relative to that

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all right

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I just wanted to add something Mike that

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tangentially related we did we did know that these

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especially the TMDL standards were coming so the vantage site

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is underneath these numerical requirements so somebody

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administrative is not but when when we issued the

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water permit we had them beat these these higher requirements for the TMDL

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okay all right any other comments

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or questions otherwise I will entertain a motion on this item

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do we want the ordinances

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both approved separately or together or

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does it not matter

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well as long as it's probably best to do them separately okay

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all right then I will first look for a motion

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on I can find the ordinance

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number actually do we have an ordinance number on this

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because this is this code

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446

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so I guess we'll look for approval for section 446

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if anyone has a motion

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does it make a difference that they were presented to us in one

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item

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that's a good question maybe let's clarify

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um

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if this board approves of these changes

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Matt will be drafting an ordinance on the

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general government and finance so this is not us not our typical

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ordinance layout okay in that case I guess we're

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looking for approval on these items if the

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sense is someone wants to make an emotion to approve both that is fine or if you want to do

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one or the other um I don't see a problem

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either way so

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I'll make a move to recommend a common council approval of the stormwater and erosion control

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ordinances all right we have a motion by

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to approve uh the for the committee to approve

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both of these ordinances I'll second and a second by

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Alderman Miller any questions on the motion

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seeing none all those in favor say aye

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motion carries all right

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that'll bring us to we're running short on time but they'll bring us

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to item 8 consideration and possible action on the proposed valley creek

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scheduling project cost estimates and bridge treatments

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okay yep this is a project with with which

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hopefully everyone is pretty familiar now so this is valley creek

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and so at the June meeting the council at the June meeting

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the council the council considered um applying

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for grants from

01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:05.000
excuse me from the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation

01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:09.000
of um a total of three point ultimately it was

01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:13.000
for a total of three point eight million dollars with a local match that

01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:17.000
would come uh from

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LNRP which received a advantage donation and also

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from uh TID 5 which is supported by that development

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in any case um with that came

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some questions about uh timeline and and budgeting

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and so stantec put that together and so we

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made a presentation to the general government finance committee

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uh meeting uh which met on July 7th so

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we'd like to just quickly review that with you today and uh

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and this will also go to the council on August 4th

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and so I'll bring this up

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all right

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all right

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all right so there we go all right

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and

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so just kind of

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this is again from GDF and so this so that's why it's dated

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July 7th but just wanted to go a quick review of

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how we arrived at where where we are now so the background

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in the timeline so uh so any of you

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who are here back in June of 1996

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uh should remember um the historic flooding

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event which um which uh essentially

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washed away the ground that surrounds the existing

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box culvert that has proven to be too small to carry

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the the hundred year event and of course this was a storm event that was much

01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.000
larger than that and um

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similarly in uh

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2008 so um

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so 12 years later you know we had

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another event that wound up um flooding

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the underground parking for the high rise

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and unfortunately it took them well okay I'll

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get to that and so um so as a result

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of that flooding we experienced um we applied for uh

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grant from community development block grant funding source federal source

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grant funds and because of the flooding we were able to

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reconstruct the street which included in uh

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an emergency spillway across um

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the park um it also had a number of

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ancillary benefits like uh safer crosswalks

01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:07.000
and well defined parking areas improved landscaping um but this channeled

01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:11.000
the hundred year storm over overland which uh

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did not prove to be enough in 2018 um we had another

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major storm event but um I think it was this uh

01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:23.000
event that um caused the uh

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to recognize that they had um

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some uh shortcomings in their own stormwater

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uh system and so even

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so any filling of the storm sewer system in the street

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would result in flooding of the garage so that has been

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that has been rectified on their end that was a problem on their end during you know

01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:51.000
their construction of the building so that's why they have not flooded since

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so um fast forward just one year from

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2018-2019 stand tech created a

01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:03.000
technical memo um for the the city that

01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:07.000
provided some different um some different alternatives

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that uh could uh that the

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city could employ in order to improve um

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uh improve uh how the the city

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and the area or that sorry the street in the area was stand flooding and so

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uh the first was um reprofiling the the street

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and improving the swale that that proved um

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essentially um not feasible uh adding

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a parallel hundred year culvert um

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which uh again left the water filtration plant essentially surrounded by water

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a 500 year parallel culvert still um resulted in significant

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flooding uh in in the park and on the street

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over daylighted stream

01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:01.000
at the very least on the east side of lake street um

01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:05.000
essentially pulled that water away from the water plant but you can see there's still

01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:09.000
um ponding on the street

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okay in 2020 um we had another flood on

01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:17.000
May 17th um I remember that one well

01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:21.000
too and you can see in this upper right hand uh photo well

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just middle upper photo you can see

01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.000
essentially our our uh conveyance our stormwater conveyance

01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:33.000
through the park is uh working but not working well enough to

01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:37.000
prevent the street from flooding okay and then this is just from August

01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:41.000
to last year again um uh

01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:45.000
the street was underwater and you can see that it flooded our water plant

01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:49.000
and uh essentially um you know

01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:53.000
jeopardize our operations but uh fortunately um

01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:57.000
we uh were able to keep the plant running

01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:01.000
during that storm event so um

01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:05.000
so what's creating some of these problems we have existing stream conditions where

01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:09.000
we have um heavy erosion and um

01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.000
debris accumulation which of course gets watched uh

01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:17.000
down downstream and that is what resulted in this most recent storm

01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.000
causing the um causing the trash rack

01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:25.000
to fail rather than to essentially protect the um

01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:29.000
the uh head wall

01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:33.000
and these are again photos that are are pretty representative

01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:37.000
of what the creek looks like because of the um excessive down

01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:41.000
cutting and incisive uh nature of the the stream

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so uh

01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:49.000
Stantec has created some some rendering so you can again see the down cutting

01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:53.000
and and and sized um

01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.000
geometry of the the the stream okay

01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:01.000
so what this project will do is restore the natural uh

01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.000
geometry that of the or the geomorphology

01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:09.000
of the stream and restore the floodplain

01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:13.000
and essentially um slow down the water from uh

01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:17.000
flooding downstream and it also has of course aquatic

01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:21.000
benefits and other benefits to the ecosystem but um

01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.000
we want to have the excessive erosion and debris coming down

01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:29.000
stream so and this is just south of hails trail

01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:33.000
and uh so the restored channel includes like a

01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:37.000
step pool system which um has um

01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:41.000
uh riffles and pools

01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.000
here is also south of hails trail this is where we've had

01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.000
a um an armored section of the the

01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:53.000
creek wall failed several times and then a restored

01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:57.000
uh channel um is again what's uh

01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:01.000
intended by this project so some

01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:05.000
highlights we've received a number of grants both from um

01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:09.000
from the fun for like Michigan National Fish and Wildlife Wisconsin Coastal Management

01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:13.000
so you know we've spent no money on the city has

01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:17.000
has not spent any uh tax dollars on this this has all been

01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:21.000
gained from grants um we've had uh tremendous support from uh

01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:25.000
Senator Tammy Baldwin uh and and we hope to um

01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:29.000
we hope to have additional federal interest in

01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:33.000
supporting this project um we've had public information

01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:37.000
meetings uh for riparian property owners and now we're in the grant

01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:41.000
um application phase so if you've missed any of our previous

01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:45.000
meetings or you just missed our previous meetings you can go on

01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:49.000
our webpage and uh check out the presentations that are all

01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:53.000
online you can see we have many of them and and actually that's that's really not all of them

01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:57.000
but uh just kind of a highlight of um work we've done

01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:01.000
and then just another thing that we we hope to uh talk about

01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:05.000
today are some of the bridge treatments um so this is not

01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:09.000
really representative of the bridge this is not the bridge as designed this is a

01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.000
representation of it but the um finish on the on the

01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.000
sections uh is is what is representative so

01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:21.000
we have um kind of a natural stone

01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:25.000
finish or a uh

01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:29.000
field stone finish and I guess I should say this is the more natural

01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:33.000
the other one is more um more of a

01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:37.000
um formal cut stone finish

01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:41.000
so this other one is a more of a rough stone finish so we can have

01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:45.000
different we can have different treatments at each bridge but that was something

01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:49.000
uh we hope to talk about today I don't know if we'll get to finish this

01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:53.000
conversation but um that is the background

01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:57.000
and then I can pull up

01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:01.000
and we have Sarah Majoris here who can talk a little bit

01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:05.000
about uh the phasing and the funding so I think we just

01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:09.000
have seven slides left

01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:13.000
all right hi everyone I'm going to talk

01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:17.000
a little bit about you know where we're at now we're at about 90 design

01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:21.000
on the stream restoration portion and as Rob said we're in

01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:25.000
the in the process of phasing construction and applying for construction

01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:29.000
funding so our our phasing is

01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:33.000
was structured for a number of reasons one being

01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:37.000
to cut the budget so it's appropriate for the funds that we're asking for from

01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:41.000
different grant agencies to there are some fish

01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:45.000
restrictions some windows that we need to work within to protect our local

01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:49.000
aquatic organisms and those are set by DNR

01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:53.000
and then there are also some things that are up in the

01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:57.000
air so traditional stream restoration phasing starts

01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:01.000
upstream and works downstream so you can see phase one starts at Burtwood

01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:05.000
Hills and works our way down to the south

01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:09.000
or downstream end of Hales trail phase

01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:13.000
two or that was phase one phase two A is

01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:17.000
downstream of Hales trail all the way to the upstream end

01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:21.000
of Lake Street and then phase two B would be the upstream end

01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:25.000
of Lake Street all the way to Lake Michigan and

01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:29.000
there is a chance down the line that two A and two B could be combined

01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:33.000
given the right construction windows and funding

01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:37.000
availability next slide please here's an example of

01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:41.000
what one of what our phase one might look like this is

01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.000
only well-defined for phase one because we're closer to that than

01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:49.000
phase two phase two phases

01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:53.000
so if ideally if we have funded

01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:57.000
funding awarded for phase one we've been start in quarter one

01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:01.000
of 2027 so already early next year with mobilization and clearing

01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:05.000
construction would occur during the summer months we have a

01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.000
fishing fish timeout window that we need to

01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:13.000
where we need to stay out of the creek from March to June essentially to allow for

01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:17.000
any resident fish spawning even though the Lake Michigan fish aren't getting

01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:21.000
up this far we still need to protect the resident

01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.000
aquatic organisms and then we would construct most of this

01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:29.000
in-stream work from there through the winter months and wrap

01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:33.000
up phase one in Q4 of 2028

01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:37.000
these are the so the budget that we just

01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:41.000
submitted with our most recent application to NIFWIF

01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:45.000
for the National Coastal Resiliency Fund is

01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:49.000
approximately seven and a half million dollars

01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:53.000
do it probably makes sense not to break it down at this point Bob

01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:57.000
for sure on time unless those questions

01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:01.000
phase two is a very similar number

01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:05.000
we didn't plan this but that's it worked out well

01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:09.000
we do intend if we're successful with the NIFWIF grant

01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:13.000
this year we intend to reapply next year for a similar amount so this would work out well

01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.000
for budgeting purposes and here we'll have a more restricted

01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:21.000
fish window because we'll have to work within a three-month

01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:25.000
period in the section between the downstream end of Hills trailing

01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:29.000
upstream end of Lake Street you'll see Gunther Pond is

01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:33.000
highlighted here we have some unknowns related to this wetland restoration

01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:37.000
only because there's a new sewer alignment

01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:41.000
being proposed to this area so we're waiting on that final decision

01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:45.000
and then in phase two B totals

01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:49.000
two and a half million and this includes

01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:53.000
full daylighting of Lake Street maintaining the bridge across

01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:57.000
that area for vehicle and pedestrian use

01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:01.000
and then also a bridge at the mouth of Lake Michigan to enable

01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:05.000
emergency services when Lake Street is closed off

01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:09.000
and also pedestrian and then

01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:13.000
grand total of all phases includes a 20% contingency

01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:17.000
for construction but we're at about 17

01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:21.000
as you can see Rob I think went through some of the funding that was secured

01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:25.000
for design we're wrapping that up

01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:29.000
in the next couple of months here for phase one of construction we're

01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:33.000
looking at utilizing a portion of a vantage

01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:37.000
donation to LNP in addition to the National Coastal Resiliency Fund

01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:41.000
which is the application I referred to earlier for

01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:45.000
3.8 million dollars we also have a DNR

01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:49.000
targeted runoff management grant which will be focused on our stormwater green infrastructure

01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:53.000
improvements along the corridor and then a portion of the

01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:57.000
TID 5 have approved the 2.1 million

01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:01.000
and continued

01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:05.000
we would be working toward phase one and phase two additional with the additional

01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:09.000
donation from Vantage we have some trails funding

01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:13.000
that's an application has been submitted to support some of the bridge work and

01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:17.000
revitalization of the mountain bike trails through the corridor

01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:21.000
we have some stay in our Great Lakes funding for Walter Street ravine

01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:25.000
conditionally approved and I believe

01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:29.000
there would be a second round of NIFWIF applications for another five million

01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:33.000
some congressional allocations potentially

01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:37.000
and then the TID 5 kind of

01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:41.000
proximal to this but separate we have another project that we've assisted

01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:45.000
with applying for grant funds for up at Upper Lake Park

01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:49.000
to do a by a retention basin project to help restore water that is

01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:53.000
currently discharging into the Valley Creek corridor so that you can see there's separate funds

01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:57.000
listed here that have been awarded and applied for

01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:01.000
that.

01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:05.000
Are there any questions?

01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:09.000
No.

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:13.000
Thank you. Are you looking for

01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:17.000
approval on this item as a whole you're looking for just some discussion on the walls

01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:21.000
with the culverts first?

01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:25.000
I guess you know the more the more important thing

01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:29.000
at this point I think is I you know I would like some direction

01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:33.000
from the board to as an approval of whether or not

01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:37.000
this is the direction they like to see this project going

01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:41.000
this of course does not commit us to anything does not commit us to

01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:45.000
accepting the grant this is not for

01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:49.000
a formal approval of any construction or

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anything but just I guess what I'm saying is if there are any

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major issues major concerns with this board over the direction

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of this project I would ask the

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you to let me know that otherwise

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if it seems like this project is on the right track

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I was hoping for a vote to approve of the

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again of the direction we're going with funding

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grant requests and

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the same line.

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I'll make the motion to

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I just want to say thank you that it's a really good summary for somebody who's kind of new to what's going on there so

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I appreciate you putting this together. Thank you.

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Excuse me I'd also like to say that I'm super excited about the project

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and I think you guys are doing a great job.

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All right.

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Any other comments or questions? No but I'll make my motion. Ready for your motion.

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I move to approve the proposed phasing cost estimates for the Valley Creek project.

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All right we have a motion by Alderman Miller is there a second? I'll second.

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Second by Mr. Schudendorf.

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Any questions on the motion? Seeing none all those in favor say aye.

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Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

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All right that brings us to item nine

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consideration and possible action on the draft 10 year capital improvement plan

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2027 to 2036.

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Okay are we going to what you want to discuss the

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well we can I do we need to

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I don't think we have enough you know in five minutes I don't think well it's time to go over the capital improvement

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plan. Do you need a quorum? Yes we do need a quorum

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so stick it on. Are you sure?

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Okay well then oh okay yeah sure sure okay

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if you're under a time crunch we can

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if you would like a more prolonged

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discussion on the CIP we could schedule that either for

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if it was going to be this week it would be Friday if it was going to be next week

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and it would be it would need to be Monday.

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All right if

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righty doesn't that work?

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Okay that leaves Monday

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Okay

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I'm on the plug and I will double check

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yeah I don't yeah you can do Monday night that's

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okay with everybody

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yeah let me go ahead double check

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five regular 5.30 yeah let me quick double check the calendar

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this room is not available Monday night oh it's

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no be harbor commission meeting students got training okay

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oh okay um we're we're going to be in the

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city hall lower level at our next meeting is that available?

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It should be

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is this a meeting that

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has to be recorded under and do we

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have the facility downstairs? This has to be recorded by ordinance

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well then we can't

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meet downstairs on August 11th. Are

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we allowed to use the old fashioned like tape recorder or is a TV

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recording?

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Okay

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Okay

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Okay I was told to move the meeting

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downstairs to the 11th. Okay

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well stay tuned we will let you

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know what we determined but we know that you are available

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on the 11th or I'm sorry on Monday rather so

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yes

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All right do we need a motion then the two postpone

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items 9 10 and 11 to the next meeting?

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Sure.

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We need a motion to postpone items 9 through

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15 until

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let's keep 14 at least because

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9 through 13

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9 through 13 until

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July 29th

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can we say a time to be determined

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I think so. And location to be determined but that will be the date

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All right so the motion is

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postponed items 9 through 12 until July 27th

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or a time to be determined and a location to be determined

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All right is there a second? Second. Second by

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Alderman Beaster. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?

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All right that brings us to item 14 public comments and appearances

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Are there any public comments and appearances? Seeing none

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that will bring us to that will bring you can

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stand up and you can make a public comment or you can wait till the meeting is over

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Please give your name and address and fill out the

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form for the Amber Chain

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CHE and E address 1446 West 2nd Avenue

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I was just wondering since the data center

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is literally consuming of 2.5 square footage and

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672 acres did we let the county know

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and take a vote did the people get a vote on if they were okay

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with this being in their city

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We can't answer any of your questions because it would have to be properly noticed

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otherwise we'd be violating open meetings laws

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and also

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I read that the vantage data center did not

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release a ESI environmental impact statement

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Are we going to have them release that

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and then also

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like how much did you guys get to sell your souls

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That's all. All right are there any additional

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public comments or appearances? Seeing none

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I'll move to item 15. Our next schedule meeting is August 11th

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in the lower level conference room potentially

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pending whatever. I will entertain

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a motion to adjourn. Motion

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to adjourn. Motion by older woman Miller is there a second?

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Second by mr. Sundorff. All those in favor say aye.

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Aye.