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I'm going to make a motion to

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approve.

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I 22nd, 2026 meeting of the

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city of Port Washington,

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Board of Public Works.

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Board member Camp Holly is

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absent today, but otherwise we

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do have a quorum.

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So we'll first go to item two

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approve the minutes of the

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previous meeting.

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Motion to approve.

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Motion to approve by Alderman

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City.

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Any questions or comments on

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the motion?

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Seeing none, all those in favor

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say aye.

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Aye.

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That will take us to item three

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public comments and

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appearances.

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If you have a public comment

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or appearance, please limit

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your comments to three minutes.

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We will give 30 minutes for

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public comments and appearances.

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Please state your name and

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address and make sure to sign

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in and try to keep your

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comments relevant to the items

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on tonight's agenda.

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Do we have any public comments

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or appearances?

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My name is Dean Wiegert, my

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address is 3708 East Northport

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Drive in the town of Port

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Washington.

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And I'm here talking about the

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decision or the discussion and

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possible decisions on well use

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at the data center site.

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I have a copy of the letter

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that they received from the

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DNR regarding the use of the

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wells.

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What bothers me is that it

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seems that we were told that

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there would be no water taken

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directly from the lake and there

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would be no ground water so the

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city was running up water and

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sewer to the data center site and

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I don't even know if they still

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if they yet have that water is

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that why they're asking to use

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the wells.

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know whether they actually have

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water and sewer running up to

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the data center and whether

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they're using city water.

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The wells that are approved by

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this letter say that they are

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under 70 gallons per minute,

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which is below the required

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the required amount from

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metering per the DNR letter.

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So how are we going to know how

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much water they use if it isn't

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metered or are you going to

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require it to be metered?

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inspection of these wells and

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their usage.

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And what is the water used for?

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wastewater?

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disposed of?

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use the wells indefinitely?

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mentions that two of the wells

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are going to be filled and sealed

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but the other two wells they don't

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mention anything about.

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to be able to use the wells to

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use the wells?

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able to use the wells since it is

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city property.

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to confirm any of the details of

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this?

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a well about a mile from the

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data center, I am begging you to

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be able to answer these questions

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before you allow the data center

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to use the wells.

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Please do your deal.

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Your due diligence and figure

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out what the water is being used

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and how it will be monitored and

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The Beaver dam residents have

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already had their wells go dry

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from the data center that's being

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built there.

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Please don't be responsible for

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this happening here.

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All of the residents in the town

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of Port are depending on this.

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Thank you for your time.

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Tracy Finch of Port Washington.

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I am asking.

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You know where I live.

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I need your address.

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1142 West Portview Drive.

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And make sure you sign in also.

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I'm asking the public worse to

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deny any permit that would allow

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Vantage to use the wells on their

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property.

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I'm asking the public worse to

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deny any permit that would allow

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small water user.

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Vantage has shown has not shown

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how much water their closed-loop

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system actually needs and without

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that information, any withdrawal

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from the local wells puts nearby

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residents at risk.

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Heavy pumping lowers the water

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table, slows recharge and cause

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well interference.

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pressure, lose access entirely,

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and have their own expense,

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which shouldn't happen.

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Wisconsin communities, including

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Beaver Dam.

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concern about water quality.

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We don't know what chemicals

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system.

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A system that has never been tested

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anywhere else, cooling water

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collects dissolved solids and

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treatment chemicals, if any of

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that leaks or is discharged, it

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can move straight into the aquifer

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our residents rely on.

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protection as municipal's

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system.

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it's almost impossible to fix.

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municipal water line that was

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already built from the water plant

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to their sites?

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regulated water source and

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instead turn to private wells?

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The option with the highest risk

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to residents.

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oversight.

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Port Washington wells were built

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for community use, not industrial

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extraction.

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creates a long risk that

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residents, not the company, will

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carry for decades.

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This is completely preventable.

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The responsible choice is simple.

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Don't grant the permits for the

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well use.

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sacrificing our water security, but

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we cannot replace an aquifer once

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appearances?

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Chris Ackman, one would say

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South Garfield Avenue,

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or Washington.

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This is also addressed to the

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rest of the Common Council who's

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not here to me, including mayor.

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Well, I'm back.

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The fight is not over.

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Since I've been here last, a

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plethora of new developments and

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lawsuits are right.

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We're showcasing what a debacle

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this entire thing is.

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From Oracle trying to shape down

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and sue the PSC because Oracle

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refuses to honor their end of the

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agreement, all while seeing their

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business readings drop showing us

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what a bad deal it is to be doing

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business with them.

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DNR for failing their duties of

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holding Vantage accountable and

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doing a thorough impact

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investigation before giving the

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It's just bad, bad, bad.

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Don't get me started on these

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comments from Cloverleaf.

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You did this.

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Everything you promised is a lie.

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faces.

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comments that are relevant to

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Don't interrupt me.

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Ted?

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Should I start over?

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Can I have my time back?

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You can give your relevant

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comments or you can sit down.

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Those are your choices.

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It's in the speech.

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Thank you.

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Then jump to the relevant

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portion for this board.

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It leads into that.

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Get to your relevant comments.

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Ooh, sucking me up on my time,

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I guess.

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Now tonight you talk about

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granting these white collar

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criminals permits for well

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water.

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I am sick.

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Vantage, if you are here tonight

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in this crowd, turn around and

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get out of our town.

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Go ahead and look at what's

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happening to several towns in

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the state after data centers

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powered on streams, rivers and

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creeks run dry.

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When the water comes back,

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it's poisoned.

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We don't want you here.

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The common council here is a

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disgrace.

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All of you who approved this are

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no better than any of this.

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In fact, you may be even worse

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for bending over for such

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destruction.

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This is happening in states

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all across the country and you

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think it's going to be

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different here, sickening.

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I would like to take a moment

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and give a nod of appreciation

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to Michael Beaster for being the

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only man sitting at the table

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with a backbone and truly

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earning his position with the

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people's seat.

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The rest of you failed.

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Oh, and to add, yes, I'm aware

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this is for the construction

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phase.

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But let's face the facts.

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When it is built and they are

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ready to power on, where do you

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think they're going to get this

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water from?

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City water?

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Guess where that comes from?

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Exactly.

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Allowing this allows that

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doom day to come.

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Now is our time to obstruct.

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Our aquifers and lake is more

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important than your

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sheisty business deals.

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Go poison someone else.

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Thank you for robbing me of my

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time.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Everybody.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Hi.

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My name is Sebastian Elicher.

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I live in 137 East Cleveland

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Road, just up the hill.

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I'm asking the common council

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members today to deny the

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wells permit requested by

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Vantage data center.

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I don't ask you to deny them

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forever or for good, but I would

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ask you to pause any further

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permits.

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The current lawsuit against the

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DNR has already revealed

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deeply concerning details about

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the possible implications of

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this project.

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And these details were never

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disclosed to the public and

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they call into question, at least

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temporarily.

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The safety and the

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sustainability of the proposed

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project.

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I want to remind the council also

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of something very simple and

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Aldermann Gasper thankfully

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shared those public in social

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media today.

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And that is that the city was

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told or the citizens were told

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that Vantage would not use

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wells.

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And that commitment matters.

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It was part of public trust

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and that should not be discarded

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now.

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And therefore I would ask the

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voting members today to deny

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that request by Vantage.

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Thank you.

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Are there any other public

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comments or appearances?

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Good afternoon.

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Thank you.

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I'm just going to reinforce a

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lot of what some of these other

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people said.

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We were told no well water.

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I spent six months having to

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drive on gravel and on crappy

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roads because you guys were

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putting a pipe in to give them

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the water that they claim they

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need.

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So why now do they also need the

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water from the aquifer?

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Just more BS.

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They have lied about everything

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from the get go.

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Okay.

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I'm going to put you all on

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notice too.

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That if and when there's a

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problem with my well, I will be

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holding the city libel.

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So be prepared for more lawsuits

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because all these other neighbors

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feel the exact same way.

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So this is public notice that we

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are aware of what you're doing

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and we're going to hold you

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libel.

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Vantage isn't here because they're

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too busy schmoozing with

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Jody Habersch-Cineken today.

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So they're not here as usual to

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listen to how the people actually

404
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feel.

405
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Our good neighbors are never

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here to listen to how we feel

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because they don't care.

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The city has proven time and time

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again that none of you care either.

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As a couple of people have

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mentioned, people in Beaver Dam

412
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have had water problems.

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I've seen people in Georgia, people

414
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in Oregon, people in Virginia.

415
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All of a sudden it's the same thing.

416
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The developer says that

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they're going to use whatever

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water and then next thing you know,

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during construction they're using

420
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the well water.

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And then the citizens who have

422
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been here and will be here after

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Vantage leaves in the 15 years

424
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that they committed to

425
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are the ones that are screwed.

426
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And I have to pay tens of thousands

427
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of dollars for new wells.

428
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Make this make sense.

429
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Make it make sense

430
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for anyone.

431
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Who's monitoring the water?

432
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What enforcement teeth

433
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come with that?

434
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So far there's been nothing.

435
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They've not been punished for anything

436
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that they have lied about in the past.

437
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We're tired of it.

438
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We are the citizens.

439
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We are the citizens who elect

440
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these clowns that are serving us.

441
00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000
What happened to the promise

442
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000
that Vantage made that they would

443
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,000
only be using the city water

444
00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,000
and in limited numbers?

445
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,000
You know, I keep reading

446
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about a supposed truck wash.

447
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Is that what this water's going

448
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000
for to wash their trucks?

449
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Come on.

450
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And you know,

451
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if they claim they only need 12,000

452
00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,000
gallons per day,

453
00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000
why can't they drive their tanker

454
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000
truck over to the hydrant like they've

455
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been doing ever since construction started?

456
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What has changed?

457
00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000
Is it that they don't want to pay for

458
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,000
the city water now that it's gotten so expensive?

459
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Where's the accountability?

460
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Thank you.

461
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You should all be ashamed.

462
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000
Do we have any other public comments

463
00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,000
or appearances?

464
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Carry one stole 1036

465
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shady lane in Grafton.

466
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I am going to not reiterate

467
00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,000
everything that's been said here,

468
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though I share a lot of the feelings

469
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that have been shared here.

470
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And I really want to ask you to look at

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the folks that are over here and look them in the

472
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eye. These are your neighbors.

473
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These are the people that live in your

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city who have trusted

475
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port to act in the best interest of their

476
00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000
citizens.

477
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And there is no going back.

478
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There is no going back once an aquaphor

479
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has been contaminated

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or drained dry.

481
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And I really would like you to pause

482
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and take a look at the movement

483
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that has happened in Cedarburg

484
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called Save Cedar Creek

485
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where the gothiers wanted to put in

486
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high-capacity wells

487
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to fill a ski lake.

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And the outrage at that.

489
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And that isn't even talking about

490
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possible contamination.

491
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So I'm asking you to really

492
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pause, do not vote

493
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for a yes on this today

494
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000
and take a look.

495
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000
Ask for environmental studies to be done

496
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,000
like they did in Cedarburg.

497
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000
Ask for the accountability.

498
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000
Time and time again what we have seen

499
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000
happening in Port Washington

500
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000
and that is being discussed throughout

501
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000
the summer is how sad it is

502
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000
that vantage is getting

503
00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,000
everything that they want.

504
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,000
They have walked back

505
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,000
everything they said they were going to

506
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do and doubled down

507
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,000
and at every step they have gotten

508
00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000
a positive vote to support

509
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them and gone back

510
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on the promises that they have made.

511
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And so guys,

512
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Port Washington needs some positive PR.

513
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Let's be real here.

514
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So how about today we take a

515
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pause and we support the citizens

516
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000
and the community not

517
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vantage and just

518
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take the time to make sure the

519
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000
studies are being done to hold

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00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000
vantage accountable to one

521
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thing which is that they were not

522
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going to be using any well water.

523
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Thank you.

524
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,000
If you spoke please make sure you sign

525
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,000
in on the sign sheet.

526
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:17,000
Hi, I'm Heidi Janis

527
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44-46 Wylers way

528
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in the town of Port

529
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neighbor of the data center.

530
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I just want you to know

531
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I'm not going to repeat what

532
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000
they said either you know what's going on.

533
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000
We really don't want to

534
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000
come see you all the time.

535
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,000
We're so tired of everything

536
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000
and you just sit there and stare at us

537
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000
and you don't say anything.

538
00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000
We don't have anything in return

539
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000
we never get a response.

540
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000
You're not living there

541
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,000
with the god awful dust

542
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000
that's in our house all the time

543
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000
the crap on the roads

544
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000
the broken windshield just name it

545
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000
right?

546
00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000
I mean we're so sick of it

547
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,000
I've had to see a cardiologist

548
00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000
because I'm so upset about everything

549
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000
and I'm a healthy person.

550
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,000
Have you had to?

551
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,000
Thank God.

552
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000
Thank God.

553
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000
We have Michael Bista.

554
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So that's all I have to say is

555
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000
for God's sake listen to us

556
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000
we're the ones living with it

557
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000
not you.

558
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000
All right.

559
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,000
Thank you.

560
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000
Any other comments or questions?

561
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000
All right. There are no more

562
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000
than we will move on to item four

563
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which is consideration

564
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000
and possible action

565
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for collection of garbage

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and recyclables.

567
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All right.

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So five years ago the city

569
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switched.

570
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It's a collector for garbage

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and recycling from waste

572
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,000
management to harders

573
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000
and they've done an excellent job

574
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,000
over the last five years.

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In fact, they couldn't find any

576
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records of any complaints.

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So they have submitted

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a amendment to renew

579
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000
their contract per the original

580
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000
contract.

581
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,000
We also received a proposal

582
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from GFL green for life

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that was similar in price

584
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but just a little bit

585
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,000
more expensive than the

586
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harders renewal.

587
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Mike Thune is here from

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harders.

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If there are any questions but the

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recommendation from the Board

591
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000
rather to the Board of Public

592
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000
Works is to renew the

593
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000
agreement with harders.

594
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,000
And I should point out that

595
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000
this will result in

596
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000
because we are seeing a

597
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000
reduction in cost.

598
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,000
So result in some cost savings

599
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000
already yet this year

600
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000
and then next year.

601
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000
All right.

602
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000
Do we have any questions

603
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000
comments?

604
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,000
All right. I just had one small

605
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,000
one and we had spoke about it

606
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000
and we had a lot of questions

607
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000
and in lieu of the

608
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000
doctor's excuse which I think

609
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,000
is an overreach on their behalf.

610
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,000
I understand it for the

611
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,000
backdoor pickup but I think

612
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000
as a resident if we want a

613
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,000
smaller trash can because many

614
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000
of us live in smaller houses

615
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000
that that should be an option

616
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000
and I don't know what the price

617
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000
of the can is but.

618
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000
So I talked to Mike and they

619
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000
already have so if somebody

620
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000
wants to switch out their can

621
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000
because it's their cart

622
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000
because it's dirty or whatever

623
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000
reason if it's broken

624
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000
harders replaces it at no charge

625
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000
but if you just want to replace

626
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000
your cart because it's looking

627
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000
dingy they charge $100.

628
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000
So this would be the same thing

629
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000
if you want to change out your

630
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,000
cart to a different cart

631
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000
it would be a $100 fee.

632
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000
I would be good with that.

633
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,000
All right. Any other comments

634
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000
otherwise I will be entertaining

635
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000
a motion on this item.

636
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000
I'll make a motion to approve

637
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000
harder renewal of contract.

638
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000
All right staff recommended.

639
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000
We have a motion by Alderman

640
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,000
Miller is there a second?

641
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,000
Second. Second by Alderman

642
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000
Beaster. Any questions

643
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000
on the motion? Seeing none

644
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,000
all those in favor say aye.

645
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,000
Aye. Opposed? Motion carries

646
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000
All right.

647
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000
Thank you. All right that

648
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,000
goes to item five.

649
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000
Consideration and possible

650
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,000
action on a state municipal

651
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000
agreement with WISTOT for

652
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000
constructing a bump out to the

653
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000
crosswalk at Portview and

654
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000
State Trunk Highway 32 and

655
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,000
painting high visibility

656
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000
crosswalks at all locations

657
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000
on State Trunk Highway 32.

658
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000
Okay. So this is an item that

659
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000
we discussed. I think I put

660
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000
in the memo in our January

661
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,000
meeting and there was

662
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000
a motion from the Board of

663
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000
Public Works at the time once

664
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000
we reviewed the plans that

665
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000
WISTOT has for updating

666
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000
all the handicapped

667
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000
rams to the new ADA

668
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,000
requirements that are in

669
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000
place.

670
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000
The consensus of the

671
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000
committee was to add high

672
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000
visibility crosswalks to the

673
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,000
crossings and that was

674
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000
consistent with the

675
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000
recommendation that we received

676
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,000
that was just completed

677
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,000
and approved in June.

678
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000
Okay. So we've added

679
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000
so we've added high visibility

680
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000
crosswalks to all

681
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000
crosswalks on the

682
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,000
State Highway and then

683
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000
in consultation with

684
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000
our traffic safety

685
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000
committee as well as the

686
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000
Board of Public Works.

687
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000
Again, there was consensus that

688
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000
there was a desire to

689
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000
have a bump out at

690
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000
Portview Drive to protect

691
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000
bicyclists and pedestrians

692
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
from cars going around

693
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000
cars that are stopped

694
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,000
for, again, for people

695
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000
crossing in the northbound

696
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000
direction. So if they're in the

697
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000
northbound direction, sometimes

698
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000
people get confused. They think

699
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000
the cars is stopped just to

700
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000
make a left turn and then

701
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
people go around and could

702
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000
possibly have an accident

703
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,000
or something like that.

704
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000
Okay. So we are

705
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000
recommending that as part of

706
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000
this crosswalk improvement

707
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000
program that we add a bump

708
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000
out to add additional safety

709
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000
for people crossing at the

710
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000
Interurban Trail at Portview

711
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000
and South Spring Street.

712
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000
And so if approved, this

713
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,000
would go into the we would

714
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000
have this this would go to

715
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000
the Council for approval

716
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000
of the State Municipal Agreement

717
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000
and then be put in the

718
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,000
budget for 2029.

719
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
All right. Do any questions

720
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000
comments on this item?

721
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000
If not, I will entertain

722
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000
a motion on this item.

723
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000
I'll move to accept the staff

724
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000
recommendation to

725
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000
move this forward.

726
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000
All right. We have a motion by

727
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000
Alderman Beaster. Is there a

728
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000
second?

729
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000
What? Miller? Miller?

730
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000
Oh, sorry. All around Miller.

731
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
Sorry.

732
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000
Is there a second? Mr.

733
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000
Sundorf? Sorry. I was

734
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000
writing the note.

735
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000
Yeah.

736
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,000
Any questions on the motion?

737
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000
Seeing none. All those in favor?

738
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000
Say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion

739
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,000
carries. All right.

740
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000
That brings us to item six

741
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000
consideration and possible action

742
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000
on well permits for the

743
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000
data center. Roger.

744
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000
All right. So

745
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000
as everyone's noted here at

746
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
public comments, we have

747
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000
well permits here for the data

748
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000
center. What our ordinance is

749
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000
and the intention of this really

750
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000
is to make sure that we're not

751
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
getting cross connections

752
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
from the water supply line.

753
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
That's the purpose of our ordinance.

754
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
So in that regard,

755
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
as it's been noted,

756
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000
water to water, our water

757
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
means are not

758
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000
brought up to Lake Drive at this time

759
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
yet. So there's no

760
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000
concern about a cross connection.

761
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
So we do

762
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
have

763
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000
I guess we

764
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000
do have some other existing wells

765
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
in the city.

766
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
We don't have those permits at this time.

767
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
The water superintendents working

768
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000
on bringing

769
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000
those in, but we don't want to hold

770
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
hold these up any longer

771
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
because this community knows

772
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
they're using water using

773
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000
the wells.

774
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000
So originally they had four

775
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000
wells in their application.

776
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
One well has been abandoned

777
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000
approximately a month ago.

778
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,000
The

779
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,000
three wells,

780
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000
one of the remaining three

781
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
wells is used for a rental property

782
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000
they have, which is rented to the

783
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
same

784
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000
my understanding as the seed company

785
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000
that's been there previously.

786
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
So it's

787
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
same capacity, same use at that

788
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
well.

789
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
So there are the two remaining

790
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
wells

791
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
they're

792
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000
combining to provide 12,000 gallons

793
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000
of water a day to their

794
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000
trailer city.

795
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,000
Our

796
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,000
ordinances don't regulate

797
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,000
capacity.

798
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000
DNR has issued a high capacity

799
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
well permit to them

800
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,000
that does regulate their capacity.

801
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,000
The two address some of the

802
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,000
comments what what we could add

803
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000
to our permit would be

804
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000
the wells are metered.

805
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000
That's one of the DNR

806
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,000
requirements.

807
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000
We could ask for monthly reporting

808
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000
of the water usage.

809
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000
The other

810
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000
the easy thing to ask

811
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000
would be if there's any

812
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000
modifications to the wells

813
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000
most specifically if the pumps are

814
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
lowered, that we be notified

815
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,000
of.

816
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000
And the reason I say that

817
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000
the only reason you'd be lowering

818
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000
the pumps is because

819
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000
the aquifer level is coming down

820
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000
and they would be the first people

821
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000
impacted.

822
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000
I think those could be two

823
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000
reasonable things to add to

824
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000
the permit.

825
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000
And other than that

826
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,000
doesn't entertain any questions.

827
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Roger.

828
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000
So is there anyone from

829
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000
the public?

830
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000
I'm just asking.

831
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000
Trying to answer some of your

832
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
questions.

833
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000
So the public water

834
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
and sewer that was on track

835
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000
to be installed is not yet

836
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000
at a point where they can use

837
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000
that water.

838
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,000
Correct?

839
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000
Yes or no?

840
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Yes or no?

841
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000
What does that mean?

842
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000
The water is at the south end

843
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,000
but they are using

844
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000
from the hydrants down there

845
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000
they are getting water in

846
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000
or water tankers for dust

847
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000
control

848
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
other uses that they have on

849
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000
site.

850
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000
It's not all the way up the lake

851
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000
drive.

852
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000
So from island drive to lake

853
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000
drive that runs through

854
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000
vanishes property that's

855
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000
a private water main

856
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000
they are in the process of

857
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000
installing it.

858
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,000
What is the ETA on that?

859
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000
I don't know.

860
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000
I have to get back to you on

861
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000
that question.

862
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000
So we have

863
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
two projects that will go out

864
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000
to bed this fall to bring

865
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
water up to lake drive

866
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000
for by next summer.

867
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000
So lake drive shouldn't be

868
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000
completed for another year

869
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000
at the most.

870
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
I would say that's a good

871
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,000
assumption.

872
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
So the

873
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000
well water that is being used

874
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000
what I just heard you say is

875
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
that one is in a seed

876
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000
company's rental property

877
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000
that they are currently

878
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
working out of still

879
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,000
and then the two remaining

880
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000
wells water their

881
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,000
trailer city which are adjacent

882
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
to the existing homes that

883
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
were there are still there.

884
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
But are

885
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
they're using it not only in

886
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000
that building but to also

887
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000
with their trailer city.

888
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000
It's the

889
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
provide domestic plumbing to

890
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000
trailer city.

891
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000
And you said that those wells are

892
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000
metered or are they

893
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000
metered?

894
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
They are metered.

895
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000
And so have we seen any

896
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,000
of these wells that are

897
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000
using?

898
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
I should back up.

899
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
We have not seen any

900
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000
results.

901
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
They are required to be

902
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000
metered.

903
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000
They don't get meters from us

904
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
to my knowledge.

905
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Okay.

906
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000
So no meters from us.

907
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
So we have no knowledge or

908
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
they don't report to us what they

909
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
have been using as their

910
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,000
well water.

911
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,000
So we have no

912
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
knowledge or belief that they are

913
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000
going to use that

914
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
well water for the closed loop

915
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000
system because they're not that

916
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
far.

917
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000
There's nothing there's nowhere to

918
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000
go.

919
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000
Correct.

920
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000
And as of today

921
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000
you have no knowledge or

922
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000
belief that they are going to use

923
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000
that well water for the closed

924
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000
loop system.

925
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000
So they're looking at

926
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000
first quarter of next year to

927
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000
start to fill their closed new

928
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,000
system.

929
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
January through March.

930
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
So they're intent to get the

931
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
water into the closed loop system

932
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000
has up and shared with us.

933
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Could you repeat that?

934
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Their intention because

935
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
that I'm sorry.

936
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Lake Drive will not be open

937
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000
as of yet.

938
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000
So they have not shared or

939
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,000
they have shared with them.

940
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
They have.

941
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Their intent is that will be

942
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000
coming from our water main

943
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
because they've been sharing

944
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,000
roughly how much water

945
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,000
they'll be using to fill that

946
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
time frame so we can make sure

947
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
that works with our water plan

948
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000
condition.

949
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
And that's in writing or is that

950
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
just that's what we want or

951
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
that's what we know?

952
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000
What?

953
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000
That's what we want to do.

954
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Work with me.

955
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
I'll work with you.

956
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Right.

957
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000
To my knowledge.

958
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000
There's an agreement but there's

959
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000
emails that they provided us

960
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000
and we've talked to them.

961
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Okay.

962
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Do we have any if they don't

963
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
tell the truth do we have any

964
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000
ability to walk this back?

965
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Yes.

966
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000
They use more water than we can

967
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
do.

968
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000
If we're talking about

969
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000
the wild so that that's where

970
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
my two recommendations come

971
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000
if we get their

972
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000
because they report to the DNR

973
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000
annually.

974
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000
They're useless.

975
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000
So we can ask for monthly.

976
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
We could ask for weekly and

977
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
whatever we want but it just

978
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
becomes a matter of handling all

979
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
the data.

980
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Okay.

981
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000
So the gray water out of the

982
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000
wells.

983
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000
What is their plan for that?

984
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
That is going to a holding tank

985
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
and they

986
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
pump that holding tank when it's

987
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000
full and they pump that

988
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000
holding tank where?

989
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
They either haul it to our

990
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000
remote dump site or to another

991
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
facility.

992
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000
And that is metered?

993
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000
That would not be metered.

994
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000
That you just rely on the

995
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000
way we rely on people

996
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000
sewer and water bills.

997
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
At home.

998
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000
If they come to us with the

999
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000
waste we can tell by how many

1000
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
take-your-trucks come.

1001
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,000
And we accept waste from other

1002
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000
companies and process

1003
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
that at our waste facility

1004
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,000
correct?

1005
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000
Yes.

1006
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000
And that we test

1007
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,000
if there's any reason that we're

1008
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,000
suspicious about it but

1009
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000
generally we don't test.

1010
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Correct.

1011
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Okay.

1012
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
If that's the case would we

1013
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000
just test to be on the safe

1014
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000
side?

1015
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000
I mean there is a cost.

1016
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Right.

1017
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
And what about how much would that

1018
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,000
cost be to do testing?

1019
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
You don't have to give me a number

1020
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000
now but a ballpark.

1021
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Like thousands of dollars?

1022
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Yes.

1023
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000
We're doing standard

1024
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
BOD nutrient testing.

1025
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000
BOD tell me what that means.

1026
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Biological oxygen man.

1027
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Thank you.

1028
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
That's a typical measurement at the

1029
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
wastewater plant.

1030
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
Okay.

1031
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
A couple hundred bucks.

1032
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
If we start getting heavy

1033
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000
metals.

1034
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Volatiles.

1035
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000
I would have no reason to suspect

1036
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000
we're getting any of that.

1037
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,000
I would have to expect the DNR

1038
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000
to do to safeguard what's going

1039
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000
on.

1040
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Is it reasonable for us to

1041
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
expect that?

1042
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
I

1043
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
DNR is only going to hear

1044
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000
results once a year.

1045
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
So I mean they have a lot

1046
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
heavier hammer than we are but

1047
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
I would not anticipate that

1048
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
they're doing literally

1049
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000
inspections or anything like that.

1050
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Okay.

1051
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Thank you for your time.

1052
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
All right.

1053
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Any other questions comments?

1054
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Yeah.

1055
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000
So do we know if the applicant has

1056
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
begun drawing water from the wells?

1057
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000
Is this a formality that like

1058
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
or if this gets approved tonight?

1059
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Do they begin being able to do it

1060
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
tomorrow or?

1061
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
I

1062
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
I don't know if they're using it

1063
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
currently.

1064
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
My suspicion is because these are

1065
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
wells that they probably are being

1066
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000
used.

1067
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000
Certainly to some extent because

1068
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000
we went out and did back

1069
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000
T which is bacteria testing

1070
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000
on them to make sure they make sure

1071
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000
they're not equal like contaminated

1072
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
so that in their

1073
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000
negative that would tell me that

1074
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,000
there's been some they're being

1075
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,000
used.

1076
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Okay.

1077
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000
I'll just add a high level.

1078
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000
I'll say I don't necessarily like

1079
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,000
the

1080
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000
information that I've brought about

1081
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000
as others spoke about

1082
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000
transparency in community

1083
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
updates.

1084
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,000
We have you know if you go to

1085
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Vanna to D.C.

1086
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Lighthouse campus.com.

1087
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
It's a partnership built on trust.

1088
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000
And the construction updates

1089
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
pages like one page hasn't been

1090
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000
updated since April.

1091
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000
It's got one picture of the

1092
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
detour for late drive so and

1093
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000
I'm sure I've seen grocery stores

1094
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000
and banks that do a better job of

1095
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
communicating their construction status

1096
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
to the local community.

1097
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000
And this would be a good example of

1098
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
something that should have been

1099
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
a little bit more proactive.

1100
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000
But you know even if I said all

1101
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000
the aside I guess if I were

1102
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000
evaluating this for like a local

1103
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
business who was trying to make

1104
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000
money but also concerned about

1105
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
protecting natural resources my

1106
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000
question would be do we have

1107
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
maybe this is already available

1108
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000
but do we have like a third

1109
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000
party certified list of all the

1110
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,000
chemical solvents diesel fuel

1111
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000
all those kind of things that

1112
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,000
could potentially enter into the

1113
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,000
aquifer and then like what would

1114
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,000
be the emergency plan if

1115
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
you know like a

1116
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
notification and containment

1117
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
plan if there were a spill if

1118
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000
there were a thousand gallon diesel

1119
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
spill or something you know

1120
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
is that something that the city

1121
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
is aware of?

1122
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
I am not I mean I would

1123
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
I would anticipate that they would

1124
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
have

1125
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
SDS sheets for all

1126
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
their chemicals are using

1127
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000
OSHA requirement

1128
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
spill containment

1129
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000
they would

1130
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
likely have a spill containment

1131
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
SPCC plan some sort

1132
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000
but that wouldn't be shared with us

1133
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
the fire department might know

1134
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
something about that it probably was

1135
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
filed with the county emergency

1136
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
management office because they have

1137
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000
the hazmat team and deal with

1138
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
that sort of thing

1139
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000
okay I guess my other comment would be

1140
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
and I

1141
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
I'd like to see

1142
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
some sort of sunset date put on

1143
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000
this as well

1144
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
I know this gets renewed every

1145
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
five years but

1146
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
you know I think right now it says

1147
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
until city water is connected or

1148
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
construction is complete or something

1149
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
you know if I keep

1150
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
if I keep a 10 by 10 concrete pad

1151
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
on my property and I add a brick to it

1152
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
every day am I still under

1153
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
construction

1154
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
so I'd like to see

1155
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000
like whatever the anticipated

1156
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
construction completion date is

1157
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
plus six months or something like that

1158
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
put on like at this point

1159
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
public works

1160
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
or the public works

1161
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000
committee members could come in and

1162
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000
provide that the wells have been

1163
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,000
capped well and I would

1164
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,000
I would recommend on that

1165
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
and we're planning on having

1166
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
water up there

1167
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
by August next year so if you

1168
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
want to say end of September

1169
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000
or you could go into the year

1170
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
if you're fuel gracious but

1171
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
that'd be something for the board

1172
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
to consider

1173
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
yeah I guess those are my comments

1174
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000
as it's currently structured I

1175
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
wouldn't be in support

1176
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000
of any of the questions being answered

1177
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Roger would you just maybe

1178
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,000
you mentioned it but you just clarify

1179
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000
how they're planning to fill the closed

1180
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
loop system if

1181
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
city water isn't going to be there until

1182
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
August and you said they were looking to

1183
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
start doing that first quarter

1184
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000
well the city water is coming up

1185
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
from a self-end

1186
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
they're building that that through their

1187
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
site currently so that's

1188
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
on them to get that

1189
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
lateral done yeah

1190
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
yeah but if they want to

1191
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
if they want to have their closed

1192
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000
loop system on schedule

1193
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
it's on them to get the water up there

1194
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
okay

1195
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
if we

1196
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
if we deny the request

1197
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000
how does that affect the business the seed

1198
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000
business that has

1199
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
continued to use that one well for their

1200
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
normal operations

1201
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000
I guess I'd have to throw that

1202
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
legal question but

1203
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
I think certainly if we

1204
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
deny use of the wells

1205
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
in a requirement cap

1206
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000
that's

1207
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
they'd be out of water

1208
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
what is the

1209
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
urgency to

1210
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
have this approved

1211
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000
really

1212
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,000
really it's

1213
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000
for compliance with DNR regulations that

1214
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
any

1215
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,000
municipal or any groundwater wells

1216
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000
in a city because we're on a municipal

1217
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000
system that's required to be permitted

1218
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,000
every five years okay

1219
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,000
so

1220
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
all right

1221
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000
yeah

1222
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000
I just would point out if they were

1223
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
going to use the wells for filling their

1224
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
closed loop system they would have to build

1225
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
a significant amount of infrastructure to get

1226
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
these wells connected to their

1227
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000
closed loop system too and it

1228
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,000
is nowhere near the capacity of what the city

1229
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000
or water would be

1230
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
so I'm not sure that makes

1231
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000
a lot of sense to expect they would realistically

1232
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000
do that it also would

1233
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000
most likely be pretty hard

1234
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000
water and have a bunch of extra minerals in it

1235
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000
they would have to remove that they don't

1236
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
have to deal with with city water so

1237
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
I don't find it a compelling

1238
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000
argument that they would

1239
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000
use it for their closed loop system

1240
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,000
there's too many disadvantages for them

1241
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
to do that

1242
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,000
so my understanding

1243
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
too the sites for this are all

1244
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
north of lake drive the three remaining

1245
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
wells yes yes

1246
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000
so everything is being built south of lake

1247
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000
drive so it's

1248
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000
further construction for if they were to do that

1249
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000
plus they'd have to cross

1250
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000
lake drive and get our permission

1251
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000
to put a pipe

1252
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
connect crossing lake drive

1253
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
so they couldn't just do that

1254
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
unless they were going to load them on the trucks

1255
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,000
and tanker it over which

1256
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000
would seem pretty an efficient way to go about it

1257
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000
so I don't find it a compelling

1258
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000
concern that that's what they're going to use the water for

1259
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000
so

1260
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000
yeah

1261
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
and they're using this for

1262
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
their homes and their

1263
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
and their offices use basic

1264
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000
primarily so now

1265
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000
silence please

1266
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,000
please silence

1267
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
or I will ask to have you

1268
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000
removed

1269
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000
do you want to try it

1270
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000
no then

1271
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000
be quiet silence

1272
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000
all right

1273
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,000
so I guess I will entertain

1274
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,000
a motion on this item

1275
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,000
please

1276
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,000
I've asked

1277
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,000
for you to remain silent

1278
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,000
if you want to talk you can go outside into the hall

1279
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,000
you can talk as much as you want out there

1280
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,000
just to add

1281
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000
just to add to your question

1282
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
a motion so so this board

1283
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,000
their motion would be to recommend the city council

1284
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,000
city council is the one that will issue the permit

1285
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,000
all right so it would be if we want to do a motion that we're going to include

1286
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,000
any time limits metering anything like that this would be

1287
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,000
a good place to put that in as a recommendation

1288
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,000
I would like to make a motion to postpone this until we can draft

1289
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,000
a better response

1290
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,000
hasn't happened so

1291
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,000
I think we can because they're going to

1292
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,000
correct me if I'm wrong that they

1293
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,000
can and will be continuing to use the water even if we don't

1294
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,000
issue that permit today it's not like anybody's going to go in there and stop

1295
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,000
them correct I would not anticipate that

1296
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,000
I didn't think so either so

1297
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,000
all right um for a motion to postpone we need a

1298
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,000
date certain date certain yes which I believe our next meeting is

1299
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,000
I 30 on August 11th

1300
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,000
it's the next scheduled meeting

1301
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,000
yes unless you want

1302
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000
a special one I have a question that does the motion

1303
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,000
include what we need to see for the next meeting

1304
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,000
or is it just to develop a better plan she's making the motion right now

1305
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,000
so does it include that um there hasn't been a second yet

1306
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,000
so you she can take a friendly amendment

1307
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,000
or we can second it and then you can move to amend the motion

1308
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,000
I'm happy to take a friendly

1309
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,000
all right so what explicitly do we want

1310
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,000
to be brought to the sport then

1311
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,000
I mean I would like to at least see

1312
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,000
an emergency plan as a documented emergency plan as well

1313
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,000
as a sunset date on it

1314
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,000
I don't know how specific we need to be

1315
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,000
what would an emergency plan be related to this well just like

1316
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,000
the chemicals and site and how much diesel fuel we

1317
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,000
how is that relevant to the well because

1318
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,000
if they have diesel fuel on the site and they spill it that's completely

1319
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,000
irrelevant to this item it could enter

1320
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,000
into the aquifer it could happen if we don't approve this and they spill it

1321
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,000
still enter into the aquifer it's kind of irrelevant to this

1322
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,000
we can ask for it and say that we want that but I think it's irrelevant

1323
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,000
so what I think I'm hearing

1324
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,000
is distinct timelines when it will begin when it will end

1325
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,000
any testing that is deemed appropriate by the city

1326
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:51,000
and if metering is appropriate to flesh that out a little bit more

1327
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,000
and a finite that they will not be using well water

1328
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,000
within the closed loop system

1329
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,000
and have metered greywatered

1330
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,000
metered going out, metered coming back in so that it can

1331
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,000
be matched

1332
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,000
all right so I'd probably call it black water more than grey water but

1333
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,000
same difference okay so the most well first off

1334
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,000
so the motion includes that this will be postponed

1335
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,000
until the August 11th meeting of the Board of Public Works

1336
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,000
it is to include a

1337
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,000
definitive time such a sunset date and a

1338
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,000
beginning date when this will be applicable

1339
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,000
it will include

1340
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,000
whether or not this water will be used in a closed use system

1341
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,000
and do we want to include the emergency plan as much

1342
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,000
I think that's irrelevant if you want to include that we can

1343
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,000
I'd like to see it in there what do you think?

1344
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,000
Okay and emergency plan all right so

1345
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,000
then I hope you've got it written

1346
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,000
down so we're looking for

1347
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,000
an emergency plan date certain

1348
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,000
that whether it will be used in a closed loop system

1349
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,000
and the motion will postpone this item

1350
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,000
until August 11th at which time that information will be brought back to us that's correct

1351
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,000
do I have everything? Yes sir. Okay is there a second on that item?

1352
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Second. Second by Alderman Beaster. Is there any discussion

1353
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,000
on the motion? All right seeing none

1354
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,000
those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

1355
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,000
All right.

1356
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,000
All right

1357
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,000
that brings us to item seven consideration and possible action

1358
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,000
on a proposed stormwater and erosion control ordinance

1359
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,000
or both of them ordinances

1360
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Okay you can leave this and we'll go ahead

1361
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,000
so we've been working on our erosion control and stormwater ordinances

1362
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000
along with our stormwater management plan which we gave an overview of last week

1363
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,000
and I'll have Aaron Volkening from Stantek kind of

1364
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,000
briefly go over

1365
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,000
what's included in those ordinances

1366
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,000
Is this sounds like a time right?

1367
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,000
So relevant to the city's municipal stormwater management program

1368
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,000
there are two chapters of the city ordinance

1369
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,000
chapter 473

1370
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,000
titled stormwater management really covers what we call post construction

1371
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,000
stormwater management requirements you know what

1372
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,000
land development has to permanently put in place to manage stormwater

1373
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,000
once the construction phase is done. There's also chapter 446

1374
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,000
erosion control which covers erosion

1375
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,000
and sediment control related to stormwater runoff during construction

1376
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,000
as part of the overall city stormwater

1377
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,000
management plan we reviewed those ordinances I know you did make some changes

1378
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,000
to them I believe a couple years ago which were good

1379
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,000
as part of this stormwater management plan we did a comprehensive review of those ordinances

1380
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,000
and are recommending some changes to both chapters

1381
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,000
for chapter 473 the stormwater management ordinance

1382
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,000
I'd say the major changes are

1383
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,000
the ordinance would require new land

1384
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,000
development to meet phosphorus reduction requirements that are

1385
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,000
in the TMDL the total maximum daily load

1386
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,000
that DNR and EPA have set forth

1387
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,000
for the city they're actually two different TMDL's

1388
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,000
so the TMDL requires the city

1389
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,000
to in the long run make

1390
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,000
phosphorus reductions to run off the city

1391
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,000
is going to be legally hold held to those requirements through their

1392
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,000
MS4 permit stormwater discharge permit although the timing of that is not yet

1393
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,000
set so what the ordinance change does is that

1394
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,000
it makes new development follow those same

1395
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,000
hazards if the ordinance

1396
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,000
didn't include those TMDL requirements what would happen

1397
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,000
would be as soon as a property

1398
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,000
developed the city would be getting further away from your long-term

1399
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,000
compliance target so these targets

1400
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,000
are higher than the statewide sort of general

1401
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,000
requirements for phosphorus reduction in stormwater they're higher than the current requirements

1402
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
but they're they're much required by the TMDL

1403
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,000
you get credit as part of your

1404
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,000
TMDL compliance for adapting

1405
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,000
these these phosphorus requirements the DNR doesn't explicitly tell you

1406
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,000
your ordinance has to follow the TMDL requirements

1407
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,000
but you're going to have a problem with compliance if you don't put this

1408
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,000
in your ordinance basically we also would

1409
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,000
recommend that a fee in lieu system be applied

1410
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,000
you know there might be situations where because of site constraints

1411
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,000
it is you know simply not possible to

1412
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,000
meet those phosphorus reduction requirements they are pretty stringent

1413
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,000
in which case there would be potentially

1414
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,000
the city could potentially entertain a fee in lieu of payment

1415
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,000
the ordinance wouldn't set forth that payment schedule that would

1416
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,000
be adopted separately another major change I guess

1417
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,000
is establishing a

1418
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,000
recertification program for privately owned stormwater BMPs

1419
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,000
things like detention ponds by retention cells

1420
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,000
stuff like that right now there's some language in the ordinance that

1421
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,000
you know is kind of general about

1422
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,000
some some kind of minimal level of annual reporting and stuff like that

1423
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,000
the DNR is

1424
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,000
basically wanting municipalities to

1425
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,000
you know be more diligent and strict about record keeping

1426
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,000
and the maintenance and inspection of privately owned facilities

1427
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,000
so this is one approach a lot of municipalities have taken

1428
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,000
they require every certain number of years that

1429
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,000
the owner of a private facility do a formal inspection

1430
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,000
it has to be certified either by a professional

1431
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,000
engineer a professional landscape architect

1432
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,000
a professional surveyor and you know basically inspect the facility

1433
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,000
verify that it is working okay verify that it's still

1434
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,000
you know is generally in accordance with its original design

1435
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,000
and submit that to the city something that other

1436
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,000
municipalities have used successfully there's also some

1437
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,000
some of the language in the ordinance was out of date with regards

1438
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,000
to things like current rainfall data that's used

1439
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,000
references to current DNR standards there's some

1440
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,000
updates that are necessary to bring that into play

1441
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,000
with regards to chapter 446 the erosion control ordinance

1442
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,000
we're incorporating there

1443
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,000
for the last I don't know eight to ten years or so

1444
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,000
state level there have been numeric requirements for sediment control

1445
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,000
during construction

1446
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,000
basically you have to do BMPs construction BMPs things like

1447
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,000
silt fence sediment traps inlet filters stuff like that

1448
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,000
to minimize sediment that's running off the site

1449
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,000
at a state level that's already required so the ordinance

1450
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,000
the municipal ordinance is inconsistent with the state requirements right now

1451
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,000
it's just best practice to bring those in line with state requirements

1452
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,000
it's not going to change what you know what developers do

1453
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,000
or the cost to them because they already have to meet the state requirements

1454
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,000
and they have to get a state approval called a notice of intent for construction

1455
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,000
site so it would not change that

1456
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,000
we need to adjust the size of the

1457
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,000
development that the ordinance already talks about two different levels of erosion

1458
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,000
control plan that are required right now

1459
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,000
a more detailed plan is required for sites over five acres

1460
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,000
a less detailed plan is required for sites under five acres

1461
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,000
that was based on some earlier state and federal regulation

1462
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,000
since that has happened the new breakpoint according to state and federal

1463
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,000
regs is one acre everything over an acre needs a

1464
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,000
detailed erosion control plan the city has

1465
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,000
the option of requiring a less stringent plan

1466
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,000
of some kind a more general plan for sites under an acre

1467
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,000
you already have that you know there's a minimum size where nothing has to be

1468
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,000
done I can't remember the exact number a certain number of

1469
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,000
square feet but you know we would again just recommend that the ordinance

1470
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,000
be changed be consistent with state requirements

1471
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,000
again it's not going to require the developer to really

1472
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,000
add cost or do anything different because to meet state standards they already have to do this

1473
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,000
detailed erosion control for over an acre it's just bringing it

1474
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,000
into alignment with state requirements the other

1475
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,000
thing you know that that's sort of a notable change is

1476
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,000
we're adding language the erosion control ordinance that

1477
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,000
codifies that a fee must be paid there's a

1478
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,000
some discrepancy in the existing ordinance right now there's some sections to talk about

1479
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,000
you know the ability of the city to charge a fee but

1480
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,000
it's honestly not super clear as far as whether the city is

1481
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,000
actually going to charge a fee I don't think you do right now

1482
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,000
correct me if I'm wrong you know most most means pouties do charge

1483
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,000
a fee for erosion control plans it's usually

1484
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,000
scaled you know single family homes there's a smaller fee for

1485
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,000
an entire subdivision there would be a larger fee you know so the recommendation

1486
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,000
the way the ordinance is written right now you know

1487
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,000
or the recommended revised ordinance explicitly

1488
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,000
says that the city is going to charge a fee for erosion control permits

1489
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,000
being issued if you don't want to charge a fee at all then

1490
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,000
there's probably some changes that would modify

1491
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,000
a couple other sections the ordinance to take out the implication there is a fee

1492
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,000
so I think those are the the substantive changes

1493
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,000
I don't know Roger if there's anything else that you want to mention that I forgot to mention

1494
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,000
we do we do charge an erosion control fee okay

1495
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,000
okay so then it's it's more of a matter of just

1496
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,000
clarifying the ordinance language on that one we charge your okay

1497
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,000
alright any comments or questions

1498
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,000
I have one question for you so this has a minimum area

1499
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,000
that the erosion control ordinance

1500
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,000
has a it's applicable applicable to a minimum area of

1501
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,000
4,000 square feet would I be correct in assuming

1502
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,000
that for an area smaller than that that this

1503
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,000
still could be enforceful but it's enforceable but it's

1504
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,000
up to the discretion of the building inspector to enforce it

1505
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,000
or is this just not applicable at all if it's less than

1506
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,000
4,000 square feet I'd have to check the language I think

1507
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,000
there's language in the ordinance that sort of if if a problem is apparent

1508
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,000
it gives the city the discretion to enforce

1509
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,000
you know standards for

1510
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,000
for smaller sites or if you know if there's a concern

1511
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,000
going into construction the city I believe has that authority

1512
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,000
okay yes I can think of one

1513
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,000
one erosion control issue that was a bit of a problem a few years back that would have been

1514
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,000
a border line on whether it was 4,000 square feet or not but it was on a steep slope

1515
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,000
and it eventually got resolved but

1516
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,000
that's why I'm asking because

1517
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,000
my understanding is that that still should be up to the discretion of the

1518
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,000
building inspector but I'm just not sure if this is directly applicable

1519
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,000
or if the building inspector would just have to give a separate order relative to that

1520
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:57,000
all right

1521
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,000
I just wanted to add something Mike that

1522
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,000
tangentially related we did we did know that these

1523
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,000
especially the TMDL standards were coming so the vantage site

1524
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,000
is underneath these numerical requirements so somebody

1525
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,000
administrative is not but when when we issued the

1526
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,000
water permit we had them beat these these higher requirements for the TMDL

1527
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,000
okay all right any other comments

1528
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,000
or questions otherwise I will entertain a motion on this item

1529
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,000
do we want the ordinances

1530
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,000
both approved separately or together or

1531
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,000
does it not matter

1532
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,000
well as long as it's probably best to do them separately okay

1533
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,000
all right then I will first look for a motion

1534
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:53,000
on I can find the ordinance

1535
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,000
number actually do we have an ordinance number on this

1536
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,000
because this is this code

1537
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,000
446

1538
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,000
so I guess we'll look for approval for section 446

1539
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,000
if anyone has a motion

1540
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,000
does it make a difference that they were presented to us in one

1541
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,000
item

1542
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,000
that's a good question maybe let's clarify

1543
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,000
um

1544
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,000
if this board approves of these changes

1545
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,000
Matt will be drafting an ordinance on the

1546
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,000
general government and finance so this is not us not our typical

1547
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,000
ordinance layout okay in that case I guess we're

1548
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,000
looking for approval on these items if the

1549
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,000
sense is someone wants to make an emotion to approve both that is fine or if you want to do

1550
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,000
one or the other um I don't see a problem

1551
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,000
either way so

1552
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,000
I'll make a move to recommend a common council approval of the stormwater and erosion control

1553
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,000
ordinances all right we have a motion by

1554
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,000
to approve uh the for the committee to approve

1555
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,000
both of these ordinances I'll second and a second by

1556
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,000
Alderman Miller any questions on the motion

1557
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,000
seeing none all those in favor say aye

1558
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:29,000
motion carries all right

1559
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,000
that'll bring us to we're running short on time but they'll bring us

1560
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,000
to item 8 consideration and possible action on the proposed valley creek

1561
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,000
scheduling project cost estimates and bridge treatments

1562
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,000
okay yep this is a project with with which

1563
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,000
hopefully everyone is pretty familiar now so this is valley creek

1564
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,000
and so at the June meeting the council at the June meeting

1565
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,000
the council the council considered um applying

1566
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:01,000
for grants from

1567
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,000
excuse me from the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation

1568
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,000
of um a total of three point ultimately it was

1569
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,000
for a total of three point eight million dollars with a local match that

1570
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,000
would come uh from

1571
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,000
LNRP which received a advantage donation and also

1572
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,000
from uh TID 5 which is supported by that development

1573
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,000
in any case um with that came

1574
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,000
some questions about uh timeline and and budgeting

1575
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,000
and so stantec put that together and so we

1576
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,000
made a presentation to the general government finance committee

1577
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,000
uh meeting uh which met on July 7th so

1578
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,000
we'd like to just quickly review that with you today and uh

1579
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,000
and this will also go to the council on August 4th

1580
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:57,000
and so I'll bring this up

1581
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,000
all right

1582
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,000
all right

1583
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,000
all right so there we go all right

1584
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,000
and

1585
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,000
so just kind of

1586
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,000
this is again from GDF and so this so that's why it's dated

1587
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,000
July 7th but just wanted to go a quick review of

1588
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,000
how we arrived at where where we are now so the background

1589
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,000
in the timeline so uh so any of you

1590
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,000
who are here back in June of 1996

1591
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,000
uh should remember um the historic flooding

1592
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,000
event which um which uh essentially

1593
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,000
washed away the ground that surrounds the existing

1594
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,000
box culvert that has proven to be too small to carry

1595
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,000
the the hundred year event and of course this was a storm event that was much

1596
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,000
larger than that and um

1597
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,000
similarly in uh

1598
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,000
2008 so um

1599
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,000
so 12 years later you know we had

1600
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,000
another event that wound up um flooding

1601
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,000
the underground parking for the high rise

1602
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,000
and unfortunately it took them well okay I'll

1603
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,000
get to that and so um so as a result

1604
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,000
of that flooding we experienced um we applied for uh

1605
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,000
grant from community development block grant funding source federal source

1606
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,000
grant funds and because of the flooding we were able to

1607
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,000
reconstruct the street which included in uh

1608
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,000
an emergency spillway across um

1609
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:59,000
the park um it also had a number of

1610
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:03,000
ancillary benefits like uh safer crosswalks

1611
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:07,000
and well defined parking areas improved landscaping um but this channeled

1612
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,000
the hundred year storm over overland which uh

1613
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,000
did not prove to be enough in 2018 um we had another

1614
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,000
major storm event but um I think it was this uh

1615
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,000
event that um caused the uh

1616
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,000
to recognize that they had um

1617
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,000
some uh shortcomings in their own stormwater

1618
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,000
uh system and so even

1619
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,000
so any filling of the storm sewer system in the street

1620
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,000
would result in flooding of the garage so that has been

1621
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,000
that has been rectified on their end that was a problem on their end during you know

1622
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,000
their construction of the building so that's why they have not flooded since

1623
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,000
so um fast forward just one year from

1624
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,000
2018-2019 stand tech created a

1625
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,000
technical memo um for the the city that

1626
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,000
provided some different um some different alternatives

1627
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,000
that uh could uh that the

1628
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,000
city could employ in order to improve um

1629
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,000
uh improve uh how the the city

1630
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,000
and the area or that sorry the street in the area was stand flooding and so

1631
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:27,000
uh the first was um reprofiling the the street

1632
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:31,000
and improving the swale that that proved um

1633
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,000
essentially um not feasible uh adding

1634
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,000
a parallel hundred year culvert um

1635
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:45,000
which uh again left the water filtration plant essentially surrounded by water

1636
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,000
a 500 year parallel culvert still um resulted in significant

1637
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,000
flooding uh in in the park and on the street

1638
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,000
over daylighted stream

1639
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,000
at the very least on the east side of lake street um

1640
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:05,000
essentially pulled that water away from the water plant but you can see there's still

1641
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,000
um ponding on the street

1642
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,000
okay in 2020 um we had another flood on

1643
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,000
May 17th um I remember that one well

1644
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:21,000
too and you can see in this upper right hand uh photo well

1645
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:25,000
just middle upper photo you can see

1646
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:29,000
essentially our our uh conveyance our stormwater conveyance

1647
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,000
through the park is uh working but not working well enough to

1648
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,000
prevent the street from flooding okay and then this is just from August

1649
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,000
to last year again um uh

1650
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,000
the street was underwater and you can see that it flooded our water plant

1651
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,000
and uh essentially um you know

1652
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:53,000
jeopardize our operations but uh fortunately um

1653
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,000
we uh were able to keep the plant running

1654
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,000
during that storm event so um

1655
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,000
so what's creating some of these problems we have existing stream conditions where

1656
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,000
we have um heavy erosion and um

1657
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,000
debris accumulation which of course gets watched uh

1658
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,000
down downstream and that is what resulted in this most recent storm

1659
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,000
causing the um causing the trash rack

1660
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,000
to fail rather than to essentially protect the um

1661
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,000
the uh head wall

1662
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,000
and these are again photos that are are pretty representative

1663
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,000
of what the creek looks like because of the um excessive down

1664
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,000
cutting and incisive uh nature of the the stream

1665
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,000
so uh

1666
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,000
Stantec has created some some rendering so you can again see the down cutting

1667
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:53,000
and and and sized um

1668
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,000
geometry of the the the stream okay

1669
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,000
so what this project will do is restore the natural uh

1670
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,000
geometry that of the or the geomorphology

1671
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,000
of the stream and restore the floodplain

1672
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,000
and essentially um slow down the water from uh

1673
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,000
flooding downstream and it also has of course aquatic

1674
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,000
benefits and other benefits to the ecosystem but um

1675
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,000
we want to have the excessive erosion and debris coming down

1676
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,000
stream so and this is just south of hails trail

1677
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,000
and uh so the restored channel includes like a

1678
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,000
step pool system which um has um

1679
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,000
uh riffles and pools

1680
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,000
here is also south of hails trail this is where we've had

1681
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,000
a um an armored section of the the

1682
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,000
creek wall failed several times and then a restored

1683
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,000
uh channel um is again what's uh

1684
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,000
intended by this project so some

1685
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,000
highlights we've received a number of grants both from um

1686
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:09,000
from the fun for like Michigan National Fish and Wildlife Wisconsin Coastal Management

1687
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:13,000
so you know we've spent no money on the city has

1688
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,000
has not spent any uh tax dollars on this this has all been

1689
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,000
gained from grants um we've had uh tremendous support from uh

1690
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,000
Senator Tammy Baldwin uh and and we hope to um

1691
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:29,000
we hope to have additional federal interest in

1692
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,000
supporting this project um we've had public information

1693
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:37,000
meetings uh for riparian property owners and now we're in the grant

1694
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:41,000
um application phase so if you've missed any of our previous

1695
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:45,000
meetings or you just missed our previous meetings you can go on

1696
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,000
our webpage and uh check out the presentations that are all

1697
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,000
online you can see we have many of them and and actually that's that's really not all of them

1698
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,000
but uh just kind of a highlight of um work we've done

1699
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,000
and then just another thing that we we hope to uh talk about

1700
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,000
today are some of the bridge treatments um so this is not

1701
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,000
really representative of the bridge this is not the bridge as designed this is a

1702
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:13,000
representation of it but the um finish on the on the

1703
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:17,000
sections uh is is what is representative so

1704
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,000
we have um kind of a natural stone

1705
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,000
finish or a uh

1706
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,000
field stone finish and I guess I should say this is the more natural

1707
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:33,000
the other one is more um more of a

1708
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,000
um formal cut stone finish

1709
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,000
so this other one is a more of a rough stone finish so we can have

1710
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,000
different we can have different treatments at each bridge but that was something

1711
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,000
uh we hope to talk about today I don't know if we'll get to finish this

1712
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:53,000
conversation but um that is the background

1713
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:57,000
and then I can pull up

1714
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,000
and we have Sarah Majoris here who can talk a little bit

1715
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,000
about uh the phasing and the funding so I think we just

1716
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:09,000
have seven slides left

1717
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,000
all right hi everyone I'm going to talk

1718
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,000
a little bit about you know where we're at now we're at about 90 design

1719
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,000
on the stream restoration portion and as Rob said we're in

1720
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:25,000
the in the process of phasing construction and applying for construction

1721
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,000
funding so our our phasing is

1722
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:33,000
was structured for a number of reasons one being

1723
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:37,000
to cut the budget so it's appropriate for the funds that we're asking for from

1724
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,000
different grant agencies to there are some fish

1725
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:45,000
restrictions some windows that we need to work within to protect our local

1726
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,000
aquatic organisms and those are set by DNR

1727
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,000
and then there are also some things that are up in the

1728
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:57,000
air so traditional stream restoration phasing starts

1729
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,000
upstream and works downstream so you can see phase one starts at Burtwood

1730
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,000
Hills and works our way down to the south

1731
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,000
or downstream end of Hales trail phase

1732
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,000
two or that was phase one phase two A is

1733
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:17,000
downstream of Hales trail all the way to the upstream end

1734
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:21,000
of Lake Street and then phase two B would be the upstream end

1735
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,000
of Lake Street all the way to Lake Michigan and

1736
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,000
there is a chance down the line that two A and two B could be combined

1737
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,000
given the right construction windows and funding

1738
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,000
availability next slide please here's an example of

1739
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,000
what one of what our phase one might look like this is

1740
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,000
only well-defined for phase one because we're closer to that than

1741
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,000
phase two phase two phases

1742
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,000
so if ideally if we have funded

1743
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,000
funding awarded for phase one we've been start in quarter one

1744
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,000
of 2027 so already early next year with mobilization and clearing

1745
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,000
construction would occur during the summer months we have a

1746
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:09,000
fishing fish timeout window that we need to

1747
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,000
where we need to stay out of the creek from March to June essentially to allow for

1748
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,000
any resident fish spawning even though the Lake Michigan fish aren't getting

1749
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,000
up this far we still need to protect the resident

1750
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,000
aquatic organisms and then we would construct most of this

1751
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,000
in-stream work from there through the winter months and wrap

1752
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:33,000
up phase one in Q4 of 2028

1753
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,000
these are the so the budget that we just

1754
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,000
submitted with our most recent application to NIFWIF

1755
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,000
for the National Coastal Resiliency Fund is

1756
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,000
approximately seven and a half million dollars

1757
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,000
do it probably makes sense not to break it down at this point Bob

1758
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,000
for sure on time unless those questions

1759
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,000
phase two is a very similar number

1760
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:05,000
we didn't plan this but that's it worked out well

1761
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,000
we do intend if we're successful with the NIFWIF grant

1762
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:13,000
this year we intend to reapply next year for a similar amount so this would work out well

1763
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,000
for budgeting purposes and here we'll have a more restricted

1764
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:21,000
fish window because we'll have to work within a three-month

1765
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,000
period in the section between the downstream end of Hills trailing

1766
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,000
upstream end of Lake Street you'll see Gunther Pond is

1767
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,000
highlighted here we have some unknowns related to this wetland restoration

1768
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,000
only because there's a new sewer alignment

1769
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:41,000
being proposed to this area so we're waiting on that final decision

1770
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:45,000
and then in phase two B totals

1771
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,000
two and a half million and this includes

1772
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,000
full daylighting of Lake Street maintaining the bridge across

1773
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:57,000
that area for vehicle and pedestrian use

1774
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,000
and then also a bridge at the mouth of Lake Michigan to enable

1775
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,000
emergency services when Lake Street is closed off

1776
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:09,000
and also pedestrian and then

1777
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:13,000
grand total of all phases includes a 20% contingency

1778
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,000
for construction but we're at about 17

1779
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,000
as you can see Rob I think went through some of the funding that was secured

1780
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:25,000
for design we're wrapping that up

1781
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,000
in the next couple of months here for phase one of construction we're

1782
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,000
looking at utilizing a portion of a vantage

1783
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,000
donation to LNP in addition to the National Coastal Resiliency Fund

1784
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:41,000
which is the application I referred to earlier for

1785
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,000
3.8 million dollars we also have a DNR

1786
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,000
targeted runoff management grant which will be focused on our stormwater green infrastructure

1787
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,000
improvements along the corridor and then a portion of the

1788
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,000
TID 5 have approved the 2.1 million

1789
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,000
and continued

1790
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:05,000
we would be working toward phase one and phase two additional with the additional

1791
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:09,000
donation from Vantage we have some trails funding

1792
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,000
that's an application has been submitted to support some of the bridge work and

1793
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:17,000
revitalization of the mountain bike trails through the corridor

1794
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,000
we have some stay in our Great Lakes funding for Walter Street ravine

1795
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,000
conditionally approved and I believe

1796
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:29,000
there would be a second round of NIFWIF applications for another five million

1797
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,000
some congressional allocations potentially

1798
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,000
and then the TID 5 kind of

1799
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:41,000
proximal to this but separate we have another project that we've assisted

1800
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:45,000
with applying for grant funds for up at Upper Lake Park

1801
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:49,000
to do a by a retention basin project to help restore water that is

1802
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:53,000
currently discharging into the Valley Creek corridor so that you can see there's separate funds

1803
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:57,000
listed here that have been awarded and applied for

1804
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:01,000
that.

1805
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:05,000
Are there any questions?

1806
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:09,000
No.

1807
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,000
Thank you. Are you looking for

1808
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:17,000
approval on this item as a whole you're looking for just some discussion on the walls

1809
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,000
with the culverts first?

1810
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:25,000
I guess you know the more the more important thing

1811
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,000
at this point I think is I you know I would like some direction

1812
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,000
from the board to as an approval of whether or not

1813
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,000
this is the direction they like to see this project going

1814
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:41,000
this of course does not commit us to anything does not commit us to

1815
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,000
accepting the grant this is not for

1816
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,000
a formal approval of any construction or

1817
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:53,000
anything but just I guess what I'm saying is if there are any

1818
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:57,000
major issues major concerns with this board over the direction

1819
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,000
of this project I would ask the

1820
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,000
you to let me know that otherwise

1821
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,000
if it seems like this project is on the right track

1822
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,000
I was hoping for a vote to approve of the

1823
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,000
again of the direction we're going with funding

1824
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:21,000
grant requests and

1825
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:25,000
the same line.

1826
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:29,000
I'll make the motion to

1827
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:33,000
I just want to say thank you that it's a really good summary for somebody who's kind of new to what's going on there so

1828
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,000
I appreciate you putting this together. Thank you.

1829
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:41,000
Excuse me I'd also like to say that I'm super excited about the project

1830
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,000
and I think you guys are doing a great job.

1831
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,000
All right.

1832
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:53,000
Any other comments or questions? No but I'll make my motion. Ready for your motion.

1833
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,000
I move to approve the proposed phasing cost estimates for the Valley Creek project.

1834
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:01,000
All right we have a motion by Alderman Miller is there a second? I'll second.

1835
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:05,000
Second by Mr. Schudendorf.

1836
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:09,000
Any questions on the motion? Seeing none all those in favor say aye.

1837
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,000
Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

1838
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:17,000
All right that brings us to item nine

1839
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,000
consideration and possible action on the draft 10 year capital improvement plan

1840
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,000
2027 to 2036.

1841
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:29,000
Okay are we going to what you want to discuss the

1842
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:33,000
well we can I do we need to

1843
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,000
I don't think we have enough you know in five minutes I don't think well it's time to go over the capital improvement

1844
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:41,000
plan. Do you need a quorum? Yes we do need a quorum

1845
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,000
so stick it on. Are you sure?

1846
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:51,000
Okay well then oh okay yeah sure sure okay

1847
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:55,000
if you're under a time crunch we can

1848
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:59,000
if you would like a more prolonged

1849
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:05,000
discussion on the CIP we could schedule that either for

1850
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:11,000
if it was going to be this week it would be Friday if it was going to be next week

1851
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:15,000
and it would be it would need to be Monday.

1852
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,000
All right if

1853
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,000
righty doesn't that work?

1854
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,000
Okay that leaves Monday

1855
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,000
Okay

1856
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:35,000
I'm on the plug and I will double check

1857
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:39,000
yeah I don't yeah you can do Monday night that's

1858
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:43,000
okay with everybody

1859
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:47,000
yeah let me go ahead double check

1860
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:51,000
five regular 5.30 yeah let me quick double check the calendar

1861
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,000
this room is not available Monday night oh it's

1862
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,000
no be harbor commission meeting students got training okay

1863
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:03,000
oh okay um we're we're going to be in the

1864
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,000
city hall lower level at our next meeting is that available?

1865
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:11,000
It should be

1866
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,000
is this a meeting that

1867
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,000
has to be recorded under and do we

1868
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:23,000
have the facility downstairs? This has to be recorded by ordinance

1869
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,000
well then we can't

1870
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:31,000
meet downstairs on August 11th. Are

1871
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:35,000
we allowed to use the old fashioned like tape recorder or is a TV

1872
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,000
recording?

1873
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:43,000
Okay

1874
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,000
Okay

1875
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:55,000
Okay I was told to move the meeting

1876
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:59,000
downstairs to the 11th. Okay

1877
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,000
well stay tuned we will let you

1878
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:07,000
know what we determined but we know that you are available

1879
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:11,000
on the 11th or I'm sorry on Monday rather so

1880
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:15,000
yes

1881
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:19,000
All right do we need a motion then the two postpone

1882
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:23,000
items 9 10 and 11 to the next meeting?

1883
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:27,000
Sure.

1884
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:31,000
We need a motion to postpone items 9 through

1885
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,000
15 until

1886
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,000
let's keep 14 at least because

1887
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,000
9 through 13

1888
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,000
9 through 13 until

1889
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,000
July 29th

1890
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,000
can we say a time to be determined

1891
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:59,000
I think so. And location to be determined but that will be the date

1892
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,000
All right so the motion is

1893
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,000
postponed items 9 through 12 until July 27th

1894
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:11,000
or a time to be determined and a location to be determined

1895
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,000
All right is there a second? Second. Second by

1896
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:19,000
Alderman Beaster. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?

1897
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,000
All right that brings us to item 14 public comments and appearances

1898
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,000
Are there any public comments and appearances? Seeing none

1899
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,000
that will bring us to that will bring you can

1900
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,000
stand up and you can make a public comment or you can wait till the meeting is over

1901
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:39,000
Please give your name and address and fill out the

1902
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,000
form for the Amber Chain

1903
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,000
CHE and E address 1446 West 2nd Avenue

1904
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:51,000
I was just wondering since the data center

1905
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:55,000
is literally consuming of 2.5 square footage and

1906
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:59,000
672 acres did we let the county know

1907
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,000
and take a vote did the people get a vote on if they were okay

1908
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:07,000
with this being in their city

1909
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,000
We can't answer any of your questions because it would have to be properly noticed

1910
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,000
otherwise we'd be violating open meetings laws

1911
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,000
and also

1912
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,000
I read that the vantage data center did not

1913
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,000
release a ESI environmental impact statement

1914
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:31,000
Are we going to have them release that

1915
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,000
and then also

1916
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,000
like how much did you guys get to sell your souls

1917
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,000
That's all. All right are there any additional

1918
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:47,000
public comments or appearances? Seeing none

1919
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,000
I'll move to item 15. Our next schedule meeting is August 11th

1920
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,000
in the lower level conference room potentially

1921
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,000
pending whatever. I will entertain

1922
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,000
a motion to adjourn. Motion

1923
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:05,000
to adjourn. Motion by older woman Miller is there a second?

1924
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:09,000
Second by mr. Sundorff. All those in favor say aye.

1925
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,000
Aye.