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Okay, the meeting will come to order secretary will take the role we have a quorum barely and first order of business is election of the chairman vice chairman we do that by Robert rules of order I asked for nominations and
We'll see what happens. So, excuse me, the election chairman of the harbor commission is now open for nomination.
No, last year, but it seems like last week, doesn't it? Yeah, I nominate Harold Grun.
And I have to say three times. Are there any other nominations?
Are there any other nominations? Are there any other nominations? Hearing none, nominations are closed.
And we have a chairman again.
I am now going to open the nomination for vice chairman.
Somebody wants it.
I'll second.
Are there any other nominations? Are there any other nominations or vice chairman?
Any other nominations hearing none.
Nominations are closed and Tim, congratulations.
They're all hard. Okay.
Minutes of the previous meeting.
Any additions or corrections.
Hearing none, I would entertain a motion they be approved.
Second. All in favor say aye.
Aye. Opposed. Motion carried.
Any public comments? I don't see anyone here.
The financial report. Dennis.
Lisa. Lisa does. Yes. All right.
So you had your financial report sent to you.
This year was definitely a slow start. April and May were.
Pretty slow for us. We finally picked up about the middle of May and Labor Day weekend, or excuse me, Memorial Day weekend was.
A great weekend for us. We were very busy that weekend, but coho fishing sadly didn't pick up until the middle of May.
Where last year it picked up the middle of April. So we kind of lost a month and a half of some really strong business this year.
But beyond that, fishing picked up and we are starting to.
To make up some of that revenue if the weather would cooperate, that would be great.
Beyond that slip fees are pretty much in. It doesn't show all the slip fees for the North slip because those were due on June 1st and this goes through the 31st of May.
So all of the slip fees are in.
And we are continuing to rent out the North side of Pier five.
As people go back there and try it out and see if they're ready to take a slip on the North side of Pier five. So we have a couple more slips that will be rented, but beyond that all the slips are full.
And just waiting for business to pick up and fuel sales to pick up and everything to pick up hopefully.
What about the daily launches?
Daily launches are down.
Yep, season launches are doing well, but the daily launches were weighed down in compared to last year, over the last two years when the fishing started really early for us.
Hopefully we'll pick that up as the season goes on, but season launches are selling very well.
We're about three-fourths of the way to budget. I think we're at 23 grand right now and budget is 26.
Very good.
Does anyone have any questions or concerns on the financial report?
No.
No, not really.
So the updates are all there and read for you. So that's kind of where we stand as of where we are currently. So.
Beyond our.
Next.
You still have a tenant relations person.
That is still Stacy to my knowledge. I think she was going to maybe hand that off to Bob Miller potentially.
But I think that's all in the works right now.
And.
Yeah, I think everybody got in their packet. Oh, I didn't get that one.
Oh, that's kind of like a breakdown of what we've got for the next few years.
It's planned. Okay.
And if there's any comments on to.
The redevelopment of the.
North building.
Some suggestions.
Feel free to make them.
So we're.
Saying that kind of $91,000 to.
Design.
The building.
Yes.
And what.
About a million to do it, right?
Yeah.
Did you get bids or how does that work?
That'll be.
That'll be either later this year or.
The first part of next year. That's what we had started kind of doing in January.
And then they wanted us to kind of revisit this.
So these will, if we can do it later part of this year, that's when it will start and or the early part of next year.
Is what we're hoping.
Now these.
Perking lot lights. Are they not functioning? Are they.
Just old.
They're talking about some new designs.
They're functional, but they need to be repainted.
And if we were to redo them, that was the, that was the price that was estimated.
Okay.
So it'll have to get new ones then.
Right.
Well, I'm getting sticker shock here with the.
These.
Oh, these are all estimates, of course, that we're giving.
And all of these projects are.
You know, like they say, these are just projects that we put in the capital improvement plan.
It doesn't mean that these will happen next year or the year after that. This is kind of like just our schedule of them. We're hoping these things will get accomplished.
Well, we need to discuss these.
Thank all of them.
Gaspard brought that up at the last meeting that we got to.
At least discuss these issues there. They're going to get to us, especially like this.
North slip.
Yeah.
Walkway.
Well, they tell us to put in a five and 10 year plan and.
As we look ahead to what we want to do. That's why we put in this stuff.
Right.
And.
Right.
The North slip is going to be like building a new marina.
Yeah.
Did we ever get an answer as to whether that could be floated.
Floating desk.
Yes.
And we can do it.
Yes.
Well, then what that price ends up to be almost cheaper than going the other route.
Well, the price for the floating decks is.
Anywhere from like 1.3 to 1.5 million depending on what the decking is that you get.
Yeah.
And then we did get.
A number which was when we had talked to Rob and put in the 2.5 when we talked to Robin Roger last week.
That was based on the floating docks plus what it would cost for demolition and.
Them to install the floating docks. However, that cost, we just got that back late Friday.
And then it ended up being a little bit more than anticipated, but I think he's planning on pulling out all the pilings.
So we have to go back and revisit that with him.
Because.
Dennis, you know, would want it to go over the existing pilings like he had asked them to do with the main marina.
Yeah.
Which worked out well.
But what did they have to make sure that the measurements were.
Right.
Well, Atlantic Miko, which is now the company that built the main marina.
They are the company that looked at this.
And they were able to do the entire marina without pulling out all the pilings, which was recommended by the designer.
Yeah.
And that saved us probably.
I don't know.
They couldn't pull them out anyway. They had to send divers down.
So it can't be done. And that's what you decide to do.
It might be more expensive, but in the long run, it solves a lot of problems.
And we would not lose any slips or any.
Any.
Area for travel.
That was the main travel area would remain the same.
But they would have to pull out all of those, all that walkway.
Yeah.
The present walkway would have to be demolished and removed along with all the steel.
And then put in a floating walkway with, I believe it's a ramp on each end for access.
And the high water, low water would be no longer an issue.
Or at least shouldn't be.
Chad, you're in the charter area. What was your, what's your group's opinion about that?
I don't mind the floating peers. I mean, the existing peers the way they are.
I also have bigger boats that are taller.
So I'd have to put steps up going into my boat.
So that'd be a pain for me. And probably most of the boats would be like that.
And then how do you get wheelchairs in there and stuff like that?
I'm perfectly happy with what they are now.
Well, that's what we need to know.
Yeah.
Well, we want to go with the pilings. Aren't they in the middle of the finger peers?
Well, one is you have to take that out. Okay.
There's one at the end too. One at the end could be used.
Okay.
Yeah, I would, I mean, I can talk to everybody in there, but I would, I like it the way it is.
Well, when we get to that point, which is not yet, it's a ways off.
I hope it's five years off, but when they start to rot, they go quick.
Well, there's a lot of boards that are popping up.
It's some now that we have to replace.
So.
But when it's so dry, when we don't have the rain, then those boards pop up because they dry out and start moving.
And we've replaced just the other day we did.
We must have put at least 40 screws in different boards that have released themselves.
Yeah, there were a lot of bad ones.
So you think that most of the charter captains would want to keep the fixed tiers?
I would think so.
Really? Well, when we, like Dennis said, when we get closer to that, we need to hear from them.
Well, that's an important issue because it's probably cheaper to go.
It is cheaper at this point.
Well, the, the cost for.
Demolition.
Well, no, the cost for them to just simply redecat.
Yeah.
Was.
A minimum of 2.1 million.
And just to redecat.
That including the labor and materials.
That's including the labor and materials.
And then demolish everything and redo it was 2.5.
Yeah.
So.
He almost like the McMullen and Pitts almost thought like floating docks was your better bet.
Yeah.
For longevity and for.
Would all the finger peers be.
As wide as mine or as wide as the skinny ones down the way.
That stuff, if you look, if you look at the picture.
And in the capital projects.
Those finger peers that you guys have that are wider would stay wider.
And then they would be skinny.
The rest of them would be skinny like they, they were.
So you can kind of tell that your finger peers.
They're the, the NS one through seven or whatever it is.
Eight.
Those are wider in the picture.
So that picture is actually from Atlantic Nico.
And that's there like them putting the floating docks over what we have now.
That's their, their picture.
And then all the slips down the way would not have pelican pulls in them.
Is there a way to add pelican pulls down the way that was part of, of Ted's.
Um, proposal was the 2.5 is adding pelican pulls with the floating peers.
Yeah.
What are their thoughts on stability of inner peers.
Well, there's our extra wide.
Yeah, their finger peers are extra wide where the other ones are like normal.
Okay.
Yeah, there's originally the, those docs were made wider due to the.
Oh, we didn't have this many charter boats in the beginning.
That's why that's why they're.
They're cut down in some areas.
Yeah.
All of a sudden we got.
And.
You know, over, over.
Yes.
With charter boats and.
They were already there and we weren't going to change them.
But yeah, I think that was the thought back in.
You know, the late nineties was these were the charters we had.
Nobody thought we would be that there would be that many coming.
And so all those slips that had current charters at the time were made for the charters.
And then the other ones were just transient slips at that time with the narrower.
Finger peers to step up, make steps into boats would be pretty hard because you wouldn't be able to get in between.
So.
When the water was really high a couple of years ago, we all made steps.
And railings in the whole bit, but on a narrower finger peers, you wouldn't be able to even walk out to the end of the finger.
So.
Once once we get closer, whatever else they're talking to guys and.
See what their thoughts are, but.
Yeah, I get an opinion from your, your whole group and see what they say.
I'm going to make an assumption that traveling is going to continue to flourish as it has.
In the future.
Well, I mean.
I got my opinion on that.
Yes, it will.
It won't go anywhere.
You think it's going to stay strong?
Yeah, they give away captain's licenses now.
So anyone can get one and you just pay to get it.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, easily.
All it takes is money now.
So you don't have to get training or anything.
No, you just take a class.
If you fail, you go another weekend, they give it to you.
You pay $300 more to give it to you.
It's all privatized now.
That's why there's so many.
Well, I think we do need to get that information at the right time.
So I go ahead.
I like the floating peers would.
Would we consider extending the permanent peers past the blue bridge at all where we always.
Set out.
Floating peers every year anyway, or is the current too much that it wouldn't hold up there.
Yeah, I mean, Dennis is, he's come down with those things smashed to pieces.
Okay.
Yeah.
You wouldn't want to, you wouldn't want to change what we've got.
Okay.
I'll put anything fancy.
There's kind of like putting something over in the West.
Well, yeah, a couple of times they got blown out.
I remember moving out of the way.
Oh, yeah.
We had a storm down there that if you can believe it, I came down because it was so, so windy and stormy.
That a 35 foot pier was broken apart and stood up above the blue bridge straight up and down.
And when it crashed down, I remember what they said about a hurricane.
Tie up your boat and go home because there's nothing you can do.
So I turned around and went home because there was nothing I could do.
So at that point, we started moving those piers away for the winter because when one of those storms come in you, there's no control.
Okay.
Would we want to consider more finger piers at all in the North Slipper?
Are we limited by DNR?
We're limited by the DNR.
Okay.
In fact, you know, when that when that was built, there were no cleats, no electric, nothing out there.
Yet they had the rules that you, you couldn't have any more slips than what we had.
And the other area had to remain open.
But if you think common sense, how do you tie up a boat with no cleats?
How do you furnish electricity with no pencils?
So we had to put that all in ourselves.
And I would like to add regarding that.
I mean, that's where we raft our sailboats when they come in with races.
I mean, it's, it's a very well utilized space for our larger vessels and for our sailboat races when they come in to have that open space there.
Oh, we have to have it.
With the floating piers to them, the walkways, he said there's a walkway down on each end.
Is there any in the middle? I mean, one on each.
They have talked about working that in where they are now. They would try to figure something out.
In order to get those walkways in the middle where they are currently.
Yeah, I would wonder too, if you had some charter boats that would rather have the fixed piers the way we have them,
somewhat it would rather a floating could we maybe preserve a section of the fixed piers like say on the west side or something where the bigger boats are.
And do floating piers on the rest of it.
There's something, something like that that could kind of, you know, split the baby.
Certainly something to be discussed. We can find out how many.
Yeah, I think it would take over some seniority though. People are in areas that they like to be in.
If we change it.
You know, those were needed that have to go here. Yeah.
It would be it would be.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's overall the larger boats are on the west side though. And those are those are the larger slips to start with.
Yeah, but that's why they're not any bigger.
Any bigger boats on any bigger slips just slips are bigger. Yeah.
All right.
If we jumping back to the north building.
Are we going to put together a list of essentially what we're looking for and put out a request for proposals and to get architects to.
Yes. Okay. Yes, that's the next phase.
Once we get into that year when we're going to think about it.
There's another 100,000 just for designing.
Yeah.
Yeah, we would probably we had discussed about like getting like our tenant input.
Having some sort of a meeting with our tenants to come to a Harvard commission meeting or something to get their input as to what they would like to see in that building.
So that would be something that would be coming up probably sometime later this year.
So looking at for 27 for design, I would presume, yeah, either later this year or getting into mid next year to put together.
Yeah, because I think we would want to probably get like we were hoping to this year get the RFP put together like the early part of of 2027.
So that hopefully this project can go to bids and then start in the fall of next year.
Okay.
Ideally.
Yeah.
As long as the money's still there.
I presume that that would that would come out of Marina funds and to it wouldn't be requested of the city for anything.
And at this point, it sounds like to come out of the Marina funds. Okay.
Yeah, and currently our debt service is paid off in 2029 or 2030.
2029. Okay.
All right.
And that the current slip replacement project was 2010. Yes, right.
And what was the total cost on that at the time.
Two.
Two million.
Yeah.
What was what was the, no, what was the main Marina.
Cost.
It was 15 years ago.
When we redid the main arena in 2010, what was that?
We got a very good deal on that because it was a recession country was in a recession. I think it was 2.5 million or something like that.
When we redid the main Marina, it'll probably could have cost four.
Two point something.
Two point one.
I think because yeah, you're right.
There was there was some slow down and construction and they got a good deal on it. Yeah.
And they weren't working. They weren't putting in any marminas. Right.
They wanted to get that deal. So we did well on that one.
And at that time, we basically, because we still were paying on the North slip project, I believe, did we just extend the debt service on that or did we, and combine them or think we could get paid.
Okay.
So that was so that was partially there yet.
I'm just trying to think as far as in lines of what type of debt service we're taking on from from these projects compared to what we've done in the past. Right.
And that's that's why I'm asking just just for some consideration of what of what that cost is going to be annually to have to pay off the debt service.
Okay. Thank you.
We're going to jump around a little if you if you want to talk about any other project, let me know. I was just going to inquire here about the dredging on.
Pier five, the water being so low. What's the issues with.
People are there. No, the problem is that.
The shoreline of that at the North or Pier five.
Filled in a little, but oh, maybe 10 feet.
So that could be dredged with our with the city's equipment from shoreline.
So this this is just an estimate that was put in by our finance director in the event it had to be dredged.
But at at the area where you actually put the boat, there's plenty of water.
Oh, okay.
And the channel is is is wide enough to navigate.
It's just a shoreline shrunk.
Okay.
So it's not going to happen.
It's not going to happen until that solve, which I don't know how they're going to solve it.
That little park area needs to be.
Yeah.
We talked about how protected.
Yeah.
So when.
Is that something that couldn't be evaluated as to whether it needs to be done?
Well, the city's you're actually going to go ahead.
The department of public works is looking into that.
Okay.
So that would be.
Maybe park and wreck and not the marina.
That's what he decides what it is.
Yeah.
There also had been long term plans to put some kayak launch in there too.
But I think when that all washed out shortly after it was redone, it was kind of put aside some opinions.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's see.
The resurfacing of the.
Parking lot.
Did you get bids on that or how was that done?
Well, I don't know.
Yeah, that was just an estimate based on.
What we heard from, you know, somebody who does resurfacing.
We had a.
There was a.
A company that came in and did that whole study and.
Yeah, redoing the whole parking lot and changing things around and.
And none of it was acceptable to.
To the marina's idea.
And.
It never went to any place.
They're trying to get bids to do it.
It was extremely expensive.
But they would have been extend the.
The whole parking lot and.
And.
Rule out one of the walkways on around the entire Marina, which.
Got a kind of bizarre.
So that's not at this point.
It's not happening.
Are we getting any.
Grants for that pavers around the.
Cleaning station that issue.
Not at this time.
That's going to come out of the Marina money.
Yeah, that was there was a budget for that.
If we get grant money.
From C grant or.
Wisconsin coastal management or anything like that, then that would come off, but it is a budgeted item.
Okay.
It should start in fall.
Oh, okay.
If we covered everything here.
I think so.
And then if there's any ideas that you get anybody has down the line that we could.
You know, incorporate in the future feel free to.
If anybody has any ideas of something that they would.
Would like to see at the Marina.
I mean, I know that.
There's always the pool and hot tub idea, but that would be something that people would understand that they'd have to give up parking for such.
Things.
So it's just based on if there's anything that anybody would potentially like to see that they would like us to research in the future.
To add something into like that 20.
32 33 34 35 capital plan.
Yeah, so if anybody's got any ideas, feel free to.
Discuss those.
The addition of that.
Just me closing that section or.
A complete remodel of that.
Of that building.
And then Dennis and I had discussed.
The.
If it's possible with the building to be able to.
Change the public bathrooms to have the public restrooms, the entrances to be on the north side of the building and shrink them kind of like the west side.
Seen as we don't have festivals in our parking lots anymore and the need for that many stalls is really not necessary.
So shrink that down because we no longer have on site storage like we used to have and then take like the men's public.
Take half of that is storage and then the rest of it would be made into like the restrooms.
To the north.
Yeah, we have like 13 stalls in the.
Women's.
Public restrooms when you need maybe two.
We could use half of that for storage or actually half of that for the men's room.
And then the other area which would be empty.
Use it for storage.
And enter from the north.
You'd enter from the north.
You can picture that building.
The garage has to stay because that's all the.
The heating and air conditioning and.
Water.
It's all in that garage. You can't you can't eliminate that.
Or you can do anything but you're not.
It's not advisable to do that.
If you're going to revamp a bit.
It's not topic, but should we.
If we're revamping that.
Instead of going with the men's and women's room, what if we did.
Three or four unisex have four doors on the north end and.
It's either open or it's not.
And that way it's not.
The lady's not waiting because there's only two stalls now instead of 16, but.
Also, there's no men.
That extra stalls available.
Well, you can bring, you know, there's there's a suggestion.
That's.
That's what the.
All are men want us to do is have the future.
Some suggestions of what we want to do in the future or what.
You know.
We do have, you know, all these projects facing us.
And, you know, it's a lot, a lot of money.
So.
Each one is going to require a certain amount of that adaptation based on our customers.
And just like the charter captains.
Talked about the inner.
North slip decking or.
Docs.
Anybody else have any.
Concerns or suggestions on these issues on these issues or are there any other ones that anyone.
wants to bring up.
We've done everything, Mike, that you think.
We need to do.
Can I.
Well, as far as for the five year plan, probably.
But yeah, we just have to carry these are concepts.
So we have to, you know, get into the more of the details on it too.
And also, like I said, we should be considering what else.
Do we need down there?
What do we need to be competitive now?
I don't go for Marina to Marina the way some of you guys do so you have a better idea of.
What other marinas have, you know, that is an amenity that we should have or are missing.
And, you know, that that's the type of thing that I think we want to consider too.
So yeah, it's we need those ideas coming in as what exactly we want to do.
And, you know, like here we, we have.
Almost $5 million in capital improvements up through 2031.
And, you know, there's, there's always things that need to get fixed beyond that too.
So it's, you know, it's not just going to end there.
It can be things that, you know, this is what we want to be our ultimate goal,
but it might be 10, 15 years or more before we get to it.
But if, you know, to start considering that stuff now gives us a target to look for in the future.
And to start preparing for the financial shock of whatever it's going to cost.
Right. Well, we know it's going to be expensive.
I guess my travel to different marinas ended, you know, about 10 years ago.
So some of the new people, maybe Alex and others that travel to these marinas might have some more.
Suggestions.
Of course, Dennis, you and Lisa are tuned into what's going on in other marinas.
So right with that's what we got to do.
We got to look at these and then what else we see and what else we need.
Anything else on these, these long term projects.
Hearing nothing. I do have a couple of things.
Before we go to.
Well, I guess I can put that under item nine. So.
If there's nothing further on the 10 year capital improvement plan.
Is that to counsel if everybody's okay with what we've got here though.
I'm sorry.
Do we have to make a motion?
You do. Does it say that in here?
Motion to approve.
Second.
All in favor say aye.
Aye.
Opposed say no.
Motion carried. Okay.
Fourth coming events.
Dennis or Lisa.
Wednesdays.
We had to double.
No, wait a minute.
Fourth coming events. Yeah.
Wednesday is the.
No, I want you.
We had the disabled.
That's this Wednesday and Wednesday.
So 24th.
And then we have the Great Lakes sport fishermen on the weekend.
The 26th and the 28th.
And then of course.
Fourth of July.
Comes in there.
And believe it or not it's a national marina day.
Follows that.
And then fish day on July 16th and the 18th.
And then it's going to be August.
Wow.
So yes, mark your calendars for July July 11th for national marina day.
At the 11th.
Any questions about the upcoming events.
Okay.
All right.
I just want to bring up one thing.
In our charter.
We talked about.
WCPA status that's.
Commercial voting association reports commercial ports.
Wisconsin.
And I think.
Is there anything going on with that?
I think first of all.
Explain what a commercial port is versus.
A regular port.
Well, by keeping that status.
We're considered.
Well, being a commercial port.
We're eligible to be.
Repaired by the Corps of Engineers.
For any damage done to the break wall.
And the.
The peers, etc.
Whatever is used by the commercial vessels is covered by the Corps of Engineers.
Now we pay the dues every year and I go to the meetings.
So for all general purposes, we're still considered.
A commercial port.
Does that date back to when we had cold boats coming in and stuff.
And the fishing.
Well, fishing boats don't count.
Charter boats don't count.
I don't know why they don't, but they don't use that as being part of a commercial port, which.
They're rules.
Yeah.
The fact that we had the Dennis Sullivan come in here.
The fact that we had the Milwaukee.
What was the name of that one.
That both that came in here for tours.
It always.
Otherwise.
And then last year we had the tall ships here.
So it's just ongoing things like that.
And I know we've.
You know, we've discussed with tourism, which they're still working on stuff.
The potential of getting a.
You know, a cruise ship here.
Would this be a.
A spot that they'd want to stop being so close to Milwaukee.
So it's just.
All those conversations are happening.
We are also talking with the eight of wise to see if we can ever get them to come back up here for a weekend or a week like they did.
A couple years ago.
They were.
They were successful too.
They like.
They like coming here.
They made money.
As far as the cruise ships are concerned being close to Milwaukee that.
But my thought was if they would use Port Washington on their way back from their.
Their crews.
If they could come into port and then go to Milwaukee.
But so far no one's.
No one's committed to that.
The commercial port.
Designation kind of require that we have a deep harbor that will accommodate a large vessel.
Or is it any commercial vessel.
Any any commercial vessel because they don't to my knowledge they don't.
Prescribe what the depth of the water has to be.
But we can take boats up to one point.
Thirty feet but.
Thirty feet of depth.
But now we're around nineteen feet because of the.
Crick Floyd's kind of fills that in with sand.
If anything had to be dredged it would be the main main area.
See that was paid for by the electric company when they.
When they converted from gas to or from cold to gas.
And that would that didn't cost the city anything.
So being a commercial port.
It wouldn't cost us anything to get it dredged by the Corps of Engineers.
And we're and we're trying to do that as Lisa said she gets on.
Tourism is trying to do something we we got the fingers out to do it and.
City I guess city does some advertising trying to get it.
Yeah we'll see through tourism.
Yeah it would be great to find out get some of the cruise ships to stop in.
I think our problem is we're too close to Milwaukee though if they want to stop at Milwaukee.
They're not going to go and just cruise twenty miles up for the neck for for a whole day to come here.
Let's say we're zig zagging across the lake or something.
Yeah let's say originate out of Milwaukee and then go on to make their run and when they come back.
Let's stop in Portland tomorrow will be in home.
But like the the the big Viking cruise ship that's on the lake I think drafts more than could currently get into our harbor.
Because I know yeah like you said it was thirty feet but now it's closer to nineteen and I would be algoma.
They had the cruise ship stopping algoma anchor out in the lake and and.
Fairy I'm in with smaller boats because the owner of or their CEO or whatever he was.
Was impressed by algoma's nautical theme and he wanted his cruise ship to stop there so they stopped there.
Algoma what 1000 people or whatever.
Well one thing I had heard in the past I don't know how true it is to is that there was concern that.
Docking at cold dock park means it's too far away from everything else and I wonder if.
To attract stuff like that if we would look to improve the dockage along the south side of Rotary park.
To be able to take larger ships there with that encourage.
More but then but then again I I haven't heard that we've had anybody inquire and then and then the side like oh you need to do this first before we're leaving.
The cruise ships I've been on a bunch of cruises date.
They can go to a dock like that they have a fleet of you know vehicles come and pick everybody up and take them to the town.
And similarly they don't have to actually get into the town they can anchor and they ferry people in.
Depending on the situation so I would think that we could.
Get people if that ever became in something that could be done.
We can sort of get passengers from a cruise ship from cold out park into wherever they want to go.
And we're one of the rare marinas where we're where our harbor has our downtown right on it.
We're a lot of them like like even she boy again at several blocks before you get the downtown from from the marina.
Although they're they can go up the river and get pretty close.
No you're right that's that's the unique and wonderful thing about poor Washington.
I have one other item I just wanted to.
Touch base the and the charter talks about the security plan.
It looks like you've done.
Most of that is there supposed to be an actual written plan or what what needs what needs to be done there.
Well we met with.
Emergency management.
And we have we put we have signage up there.
Requiring anyone who docks there.
Has to report to the marine office and get their name and address and contact so that we can get them 24 hours seven.
Contact.
And that's been done.
But as far as the plan is we're still we're still working on that.
We met with them.
Back in March I want to say.
And Scott piece together he was able to reach out to people and he was able to him and John were able to piece together.
Excerpts of people's harbor security plans from across the country.
So they did that and then we're going to put in like our stuff from the marina.
And then they're meeting with the fire department the police department and then they'll insert their stuff into this plan.
So there is to be a plan hopefully by the end of December that will be an actual.
An actual plan, a written plan, a written policy.
And just plan out to because we're talking about cruise ships if for potential grants for helping to get any improvements we need to for stuff like that.
And the security plan is one of those things that is either necessary or at least very helpful towards winning those grants.
And also mean when we have a a a barge break loose we should have the contact information of who to call instead of having to track down the CEO first.
Okay, I don't have anything else.
No, you will turn if you have any business you want to bring up any member.
It's got one. Yeah, I got one thing I think I asked before. There's a couple of boats.
That keep their boats in the trailer parking lot like for a week at a time sometimes and they use a fuel pier every morning.
That I did not know, but yes, they people that leave their boats do pay a dry stacking fee along with the season launch pass. Okay. Yeah.
And they are using the fuel pier.
We'll take a look.
Oh, what are you saying, baby.
Go to the field fair early in the morning.
Oh, all right.
Cool.
So prior to like prior to five o'clock, so that's something we should be looking for.
Okay. Okay. So we'll look at our cameras and kind of address that. Right. Right.
No, that we did not know them being in the parking lot that we know they paid the season launch V and then they do pay a dry stacking fee in order to do that.
Well, they can't let me suggest they can't do that. I mean, we won't let them do that.
Well, they're not, they're not paying to tie up on the field doc. That's for sure.
I mean, there's other areas to tie up temporarily.
Even if they left it in the launch ramp.
Yeah.
Well, we'll, we'll look into that.
As far as not supposed to operate out of the main marina, but they can, they can come with a trailer.
I don't know how we'd stop them from doing that.
I don't know if that affects us.
If they don't have insurance that.
I mean, they're.
That's a question for the city attorney.
I mean, most of them are.
Established businesses, which I'm sure they have insurance. So it's an easy ask.
So.
Yes. Yeah. And there's also a lot of DNR regulations about what you can and cannot do at the launch ramps that would very much control what we can ask of them.
Right. So one thing we can't close them. That's for sure.
But I tried that the first year I was here.
That didn't work.
DNR said, you know, we pull the ramp socks to just.
Repair them or whatever needs. And then I put a line across the ramp so he couldn't, you couldn't launch because we have no way to help anybody. No, no rescue, no boats, Coast Guard.
50 miles away, 25 miles away.
DNR, somebody complained that DNR said you can't do that because federal money was used to build that area in the parking lot. So you, you have to leave them open.
As far as rest is concerned, they don't care.
I can tell you what the.
What's been going on by us? We got.
Fishing has been good for a while.
And.
Mainly we're getting cold at that time and now we're getting everything. I guess getting Lakers and they're getting.
Kings are getting everything, but not, not too much.
It's okay. Yeah.
It's not like it was last year. I can tell you that.
Yeah.
It's excellent.
Oh, now it's called the liaison business.
Oh, that's it.
So moved.