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to the council.

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All right.

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I call to order the city of

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Port Washington, Wisconsin

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Board of Public Works meeting

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for Tuesday, June 9th, 2026.

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First item is the roll call.

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All members are present except

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for Jim Pauli who is

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excused.

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That brings us to item two,

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a motion to approve the

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minutes by second and we have a

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second.

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Any question on the motion?

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Seeing none, all those in favor?

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Say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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That brings us to public

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comments and appearances.

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Are there any public comments

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and appearances?

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We don't need to fill a

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buster to, so the computer

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works.

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Okay.

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Then we'll move on to item four,

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election of board chair and

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vice chair.

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So every year we elect a new

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chairman and a vice chairman for

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the Board of Public Works.

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And with that in mind, I will

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open the floor to nominations.

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Does anybody want to make a

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nomination for board chair?

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I move for my gasper to be

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board chair.

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All right.

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So we have a nomination for my

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gasper to be board chair.

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Is there a second?

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Second.

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Second.

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All right.

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Are there any other nominations?

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Any more nominations?

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I'll ask a third time.

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Are there any more nominations?

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All right.

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Seeing none, we have a

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nomination for my gasper being

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myself to be board chair.

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All those in favor?

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Say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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So we have a board chair.

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Now we need a vice chair.

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So I will open the floor for

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nominations to be the vice chair.

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Any nomination?

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We'll sit and nominate Jim because

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he's not here.

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Sure.

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I'll nominate.

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I will nominate Mr.

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Schudendorf to be the vice chair

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if he's willing to accept.

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I'll accept.

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All right.

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I'll second.

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All right.

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Are there any additional

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nominations for vice chair?

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All right.

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Seeing none, all those in favor?

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Say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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All right.

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Congratulations to our new chair

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and vice chair.

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That will move us on to item five,

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a presentation on ecological

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restoration in Valley Creek.

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Rob.

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Thank you.

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So we have with us tonight,

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Melissa Kern, who I think is no stranger to our

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committee and Ryan Crump, who is a

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biologist, I'm sorry.

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Biologist both with Stantec.

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And so they've been working, of course, as you know,

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in Valley Creek for the last more than three years.

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Working under grants that we've received from the American

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Bird Conservancy, U.S. Fish and Wildlife,

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which is different than National Fish and Wildlife Foundation,

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U.S. Forest Service.

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And so they've done a lot of work both in Upper Lake Park

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and Burtwood Hills Nature Preserve,

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removing invasive species, planting native species.

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And of course, we're working towards the much larger project,

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which is creating the resilient and sustainable Valley Creek,

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which will have numerous stormwater or water quality benefits as well,

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fish passage, et cetera.

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And so a lot of this has been going on over the last three years,

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kind of under the radar.

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And we haven't really talked about it a ton here.

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So I asked Melissa and Ryan to come now that much of that work

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that first phase is completed to report on some of the measurable benefits

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that we're achieving and hope to achieve in the upcoming years

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with our Valley Creek project.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, everyone, for your patience while we work through the PowerPoint.

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This would not be the same without you guys seeing some pictures

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of before and after.

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So again, Melissa Kern was Dan Tack.

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I've been working with the city for really well over five, seven years,

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you know, working to develop this project.

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And you can fast forward, Roger.

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So what we're going to talk about is give you a snapshot of the ecological restoration

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of some of the upland parks that we've been doing over the last several years.

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And then I will give you a funding update.

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So Roger, I don't know if you can advance it.

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Just to show you guys a quick agenda of what we're going to talk about.

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There we go.

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And so I list just a few of the grants and those.

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I'll go over each in detail, but those are ones that are either

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recently awarded or are still pending.

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So I want to make sure you guys have a good sense of kind of, you know,

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we're constantly working on grant funds.

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And so just a quick update on that.

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But I'm going to turn over to Ryan to give you a presentation of the upland

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ecological restoration work that we've been doing at several of your parks.

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Yeah.

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So Ryan Chrome, I've been with Stan Tack for like 10 years.

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I worked with our ecosystem restoration team doing the implementation work.

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So I'm the project manager for these different projects I'll present on today.

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We'll see some of the metrics, some of the dollars that have been contributed

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to the Valley Creek corridor, the agencies and kind of partners involved

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in just kind of what's been going on.

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So the first one, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service,

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that was funding from 2023 to 2025.

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The city was the sole applicant on that one for $135,000 and that funded work

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for the city.

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Birchwood Hills and Upper Lake Park.

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I'll show some maps and stuff here kind of showing where the funding areas are in a

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second.

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The next one with the American Burke Conservancy National Fish and Wildlife

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Foundation to stay in our Great Lakes program 2023 through 2026,

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approximately $45,000 within the Valley Creek corridor.

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And then the next one also with the American Burke Conservancy U.S.

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Department of Agriculture for service 2024 to 2027.

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This one's still ongoing.

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That's about $45,000 as well within that Valley Creek corridor.

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So main thing to take away here, obviously the funding partners and agencies that

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we're working with, obviously the city and the city's been doing work directly

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adjacent to a lot of these project areas as well.

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So you go to the next slide.

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So on metric specific to these funding sources.

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So the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service funding was funding restoration

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across approximately 20.9 acres.

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That's that Birchwood Hills area and Upper Lake Park.

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As part of that, we did a large tree planting requirement was 15 or more native

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tree and shrub species planted.

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And as part of that grant, we planted over 400 trees and shrubs within

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Birchwood and cage them and protected them from browse pressure and stuff like that.

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And then in addition to that, we installed the pollinator planting in Upper

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Lake Park and had at least 25 native form and grass species throughout that

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planting as well.

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As far as the SOGO funding goes, that's part of a much larger project.

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So that's actually funding work at eight different project sites along Lake

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Michigan, Valley Creek corridor being one of them.

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So as part of that, you know, restoration of 238 acres of near shore habitat,

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stop over habitat, American bird conservancy, six acres of floodplain restoration,

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51 acres of wetland restoration.

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A lot of these common theme is going to be volunteer and public outreach and engagement.

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So there's always metrics involved there.

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We've held various volunteer plantings as part of the SOGO funding and then moving

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on to the Forest Service funding.

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You're going to see a lot of overlap in those, but again,

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large tree planting being funded through that.

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Again, that's funding three different project sites in Ozaki and Washington

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County total.

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So those trees are being split, but we just as bring planting here in 2026,

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where we installed 845 trees in the Valley Creek corridor.

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There's a volunteer opportunity as well.

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So got some of that volunteer engagement.

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18 acres of invasive species management.

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Again, this is spread across three project sites, 10 acres of native seed

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insulation and then $250,000 of stormwater intercepted through that tree planting.

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So if you scroll down just a little bit, you can see the rest of it.

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So this is the funding areas.

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It's kind of hard to see, but the red that you're seeing there in Burtwood Hills

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and that small sliver on Upper Lake Park.

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That's the US Fish and Wildlife Service funding areas.

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Moving down to the yellow is the ABC SOGO bluff.

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And then moving down from there is the ABC Forest Service funding that we just talked about.

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So you can see how they're connected along that corridor.

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Real quick, just talking about the projects, the goals and what's been done there so far.

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So trying to create sustainable restoration within these ecosystems.

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So US Fish and Wildlife Service wanted to invest and focus on habitat improvements

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or things like even the northern long-eared bat.

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Rusty Patch Bumblebee Monarchs.

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So that's where you're seeing those requirements of native trees, native shrub species

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and the high requirements of native species within that pollinator planting.

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Diversification, you know, the goal is just trying to create more sustainable

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ecosystems and trees and species that can thrive in changing climates

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and more adaptable, obviously invasive species management.

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So there was tons of woody invasives in there that we controlled and I'll show some pictures of that.

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It was pretty nasty in there.

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So we were controlling that, limiting the competition.

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And then obviously planting those native species.

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And a big thing, you know, just within this valley creek corridor is the watershed impact.

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So trying to limit the amount of erosion, plant species and just plants that are better at up taking

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that sort of water native to this region and just limiting overall erosion.

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And then again, I mentioned the public education outreach.

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So in Birchwood, we did a lot of invasive species management.

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We left some wildlife habitat in there.

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You're still going to see snags in there that are good for roost habitat for, like I said, birds, bats.

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There's habitat piles, stuff like that.

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And then the tree planting.

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And then upper lake park, we did site preparation, native seeding, and then some pollinator prairie management.

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So here's Birchwood before we went in there.

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So you can see it's pretty nasty.

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So in that picture on the right, you can just barely see the edge of our forestry mower before it went through there.

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That's a lot of barberry in the background and then honeysuckle on that left picture, but you keep going.

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Here is just some progress photos.

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So that picture on the left, you can see we've mowed through a lot of it.

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There's still some chips there, but that's kind of in the process.

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And then that picture on the right is a more final product.

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We really opened that place up.

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I know there's trails being planned in there and stuff like that.

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And then we planted trees all throughout this area and did woody resprout control.

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And then here, you can just see some pictures from the tree planting.

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So this is the pond that's in Birchwood Hills there right near the parking area.

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And then as you can see, we're getting ready for the tree planting and the tree delivery and stuff right there by the Birchwood sign.

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Upper Lake Park here.

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A couple of different stages here.

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So this is left pictures right after site prep.

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And we're getting ready for native seeding.

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The picture on the right there is after the native seeing the first growing season.

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It doesn't look like much, but what you see in there, those are all native seedlings that we planted.

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And that's just kind of what it looks like the first growing season.

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But then if you go one more, this is what it looked like growing season three.

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So lots of natives, lots of flowers.

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It was looking great.

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You can keep going.

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So again, very similar project goals and site work that happened here.

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So a lot of this was invasive species management, woodies in particular with a focus on wildlife habitat.

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Again, American bird conservancy did a lot of this funding.

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And again, a lot of this is involving, you know, improving the watershed planting native species and just kind of creating areas that are less prone to erosion.

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More stormwater capacity and that wildlife habitat.

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So we can keep going on that as well.

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Here's another before and after. So this is on that bluff.

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Portions of this bluff are actually in pretty good shape.

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So in the areas that we're in good shape, we didn't have to do a whole lot.

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We didn't actually have to do a lot of tree planting on this.

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The candy piece pretty good, but the honor store is full of woodies.

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So we moved the honey, socco, barberry, multiple rows.

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You can kind of see it before and after.

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And you can line up some trees in there and just kind of see some of that change.

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But I know the crew had a hard time out there, but it looks a lot better.

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And then the ABC Forest Service bluff that we are still kind of working on.

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A big one of this is the emerald ash borer mitigation.

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There's a lot of dead ash on that slope there. We've done a lot of tree planting in there, a lot of woody removal.

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Lots of overlap on these, but you can see, you know, forest service is really focused on the tree tree planting aspect of it.

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Increasing those habitat corridors and connectivity. So this one funds three projects across Ozaki in Washington County.

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And again, obviously we're doing all sorts of connecting habitats within the valley creek corridor as well.

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Just trying to make it more sustainable.

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Diversify the species that are there. They are again, same thing, like able to adapt to the climate changes and different things that we're seeing out there.

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We had the public out for volunteer planting in spring.

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So far we've done invasive species management, the woody removal, the woody resprouts.

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There's some wildlife habitat piles out there as well. And then the tree planting, like I said, so.

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This slope was really rough as well, but that area in particular, seeing there's lots of downed dead ash trees.

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So we opened up the canopy a lot. If you go look at that bluff there, you're going to see a lot of trees focused in those canopy gaps that were created with those dead ash trees in there.

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A big part of it's also the stormwater capture that I've mentioned.

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And here it's still just this is the planting the spring. So that's our crew out there.

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And some of the trees that were being installed.

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So my primarily primary role on this project is connect funding to the project.

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And so sometimes that means the city is directly the applicant on a grant application.

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Sometimes it's a nonprofit partner. So as Ryan mentioned, American Burke Conservancy has been a long time partner of mine and I end up bringing a lot of municipal project sites to ABC for them to apply for grants on behalf.

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So it's a collaborative effort that works out really well for the city because you guys are just a recipient of this really great work and you really don't have any administrative burden.

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There's no staff time that goes into it. It's all just kind of a win-win for you guys. So I'll keep doing that to really kind of invest in this Valley Creek corridor with, you know, supporting this bigger vision that we have.

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So what I wanted to do was just go through some of the more recent grants that we're working on. Some that have been awarded, some that are still pending.

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So starting at the top, we, the city did secure a National Fish and Wildlife Foundation sustainer Great Lakes to implement some green infrastructure projects on Upper Lake Park.

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And I do have an image of that later. So that grant has been awarded, but we're going through the federal compliance process right now.

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It's just a complicated process where we review the project for impacts to cultural resources and rare species.

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Once that's all done, the city will get a grant contract. So you guys at some point will be accepting that grant award. That'll come probably pretty soon.

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Then a complimentary to that, we applied for a state urban non-point grant, which will provide the necessary match for the federal grant from the sustainer Great Lakes program.

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So those two are kind of match each other. And that's another really great benefit of sort of stacking these grants as they get to match each other.

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So if we're awarded both those grants, then there's really no cash contribution that the city is on the hook for.

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So, and I do list the grant that you were awarded, you did offer $100,000 this match. Again, the intent was always that we would find other funding to make up that match.

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It wasn't, you know, that you guys were expecting to outlay that $100,000. And that's why we submitted that DNR grant, the one that's just down.

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So if you get $150,000 from DNR, then you've met your match requirement for the sustainer Great Lakes grant.

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Third one down is another sustainer Great Lakes grant that we are submitting for a different green infrastructure project for a Walter Street ravine project.

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I'll show a picture of that. And then the big one, the fourth one down is also through National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, but it's a different grant program called National Coastal Resilience Fund.

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So that is a multi-step grant. You guys have already received one grant and that's supporting the planning that we're doing right now for the Big Stream Restoration Project.

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This will support the implementation. We've already submitted a pre-proposal and you guys have been invited for a full proposal.

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So that's a really good sign that you guys are invited and they really like funding these pipeline projects and they gave us really good feedback on the pre-proposal.

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So we will likely ask about $5 million for that grant. I'm very hopeful that we will get it. We may end up funding the value, the bigger Valley Creek project in phases.

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So we may end up going back to the same funding source twice to get kind of roughly the same amount of money to construct the project in phases.

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That's always an option. But that one will go in at the end of this month in June here.

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And then we submitted another grant from the DNR under their targeted runoff management program.

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And that is to fund some of the regenerative stormwater conveyance systems that so it's really stabilizing the outfalls along Valley Creek.

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So it's a very green infrastructure stormwater focus grant and I'm going to show you pictures of those. So if you want to go ahead.

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Roger, I'm just going to kind of go through all of these except the big $5 million stream one.

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So Upper Lake Park, this project will connect directly with the pollinator garden that Ryan was talking about in the northwest corner of Upper Lake Park.

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There are stormwater outfalls that are discharging right at the top of some eroding gullies.

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They're causing massive erosion. And that's really contributing to the destabilization of Valley Creek and why we're doing this big project is to try and keep the sediment and slow the water down.

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So the intent here and here is put together this conceptual design is that we'll essentially build some rain gardens and some detention basins that will capture and store potentially and filtrate some of that storm water.

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So we'll have less water going down into the ravine. We'll still have to have water going down there, but the thought is we'll stabilize that outfall.

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And then this project and you know, the thought is that will be in the upland areas will be planting prairies. So eventually this will blend seamlessly into the prairie that you guys have already started restoring up there.

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And again, the two different grants, the federal grant from Solville for 375 that you have already been awarded will be matched by the hopefully by the pending DNR grant.

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We'll hear back sometime this late summer fall on that one.

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Go ahead, Roger.

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So this other urban stormwater grant is for regenerative stormwater conveyance.

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They're essentially, I think I do have some pictures after this, but they're meant to stabilize some of the outfalls that are discharging directly to the creek.

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And under this grant for roughly about $219,000, we are planning to fund at least six outfall locations.

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Erin, I don't know if you remember there are like 20 RSCs that you're envisioning along the valley creek corridor.

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Oh, so there's roughly about like 20 RSC locations. This grant will fund at six of them so we can go back next year for the same grant to fund more of them.

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So this isn't a one and done. This could be an annual thing where we have this, you know, roughly $200,000 to fund multiple stormwater.

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And I presented it to DNR as a multi phase approach.

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Go ahead. So this is just an image showing what the current condition is on the left.

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I would say most of your outfalls look like that where they're just perched in hanging and, you know, they're not constructed that way.

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That's just how much the creek has eroded over the years.

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So we definitely want to fix that.

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Do whatever we can to infiltrate, slow the water and treat it a little bit right at the outfall location and then, you know, have some intense stabilization when the water intersects the creek.

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So that's on the right is what, you know, an image of what that could look like.

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And then the other big regenerative stormwater is to focus on the Walter street ravine.

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So this is a big ravine where you have an outfall at the top of the ravine.

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It's discharging stormwater that's eroding that whole gully there.

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And so the thought is to have a series of regenerative stormwater, you know, conveyance that whole way through.

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So it's going to be like a step pool conveyance where, you know, the water kind of slows down at a pool and then it goes over like a rock outfall and then it goes into another pool and we do that the whole way down the ravine.

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So we did submit most recently for a solo grant and the amount of 365, I think it was.

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And we will and we just submitted the pre proposal.

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So we'll find out in probably a couple weeks if we're invited for the full proposal for that one, but this is current condition of Walter street ravine.

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And then I think the next image is a kind of rough.

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You can kind of barely see the the rough concept of what that would look like, but we're essentially looking at stabilizing that whole ravine.

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So that'll be a big project.

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We are offering a one to one match.

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So that match will come in the form of maybe other grants or some of the TID money that you guys have to fund work along the larger stream project.

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So I think that was the last slide. Any questions from us?

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I have a few.

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And talk to me like I'm a five year old because this is all new to me.

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So how is the storm water intercepted by tree plantings explain that concept?

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So there's a lot of water circulating through trees.

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So they do a really good job bringing water down into their root system and supporting groundwater recharge.

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So like a sponge kind of.

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And so there is a metric of tree of like one inch DBH will over the course of a year capture and infiltrate about 100,000 gallons of water.

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So trees do a good job at making.

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And then the native seedling in Upper Lake Park.

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So along with water retention, what else is that going to do rather than just natural grass and that we cut?

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So the question is the.

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What was the purpose of the native?

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Yes. Yes.

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So the grant that funded that was very focused on wildlife habitat enhancements.

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So establishing native plants is good for pollinators, birds, bats.

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So the intent was to, you know, when we get rid of the invasives, there's can sometimes be like a bear area that you want to then replant with natives to help out compete additional invasives that may want to come in, but also provides great habitats for wildlife.

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Okay. And then also deep.

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Yeah, I mean, so I would say a poll on air planting does act a little bit more like a sponge, you know, like a native prairie and grass, you know, going to filter water a lot better.

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But also with the US Fish Wildlife Service folks in a wildlife and stuff.

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I mentioned the rusty patch bumble bee in monarchs.

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So all those species that were picked for that planting were focused on benefiting, you know, with those species in mind, you know, there's preferred.

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Natives out there for those species and those are all in that mix and stuff like that as well.

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Okay. And then.

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And then the.

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So we're looking for more stormwater capacity, which will take it away from runoff into the bluff, which goes into that.

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Sand seam that that's causing all of that.

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Bluff to fall.

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So that's the purpose of all of this upstream and downstream.

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Yeah, we want to slow the water down as much as we can and infiltrate as much as we can.

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Okay, thank you.

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You use the term woody, re spout, re sprout control.

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I assume that's just to keep those invasive species from growing back.

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How do you do that?

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Yeah. So we spray an herbicide over the foliar application.

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So on the on the leaves once they leaf out, we did treat stumps as well with low volume, just like a sponge on the end of a mop stick.

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Basically, and just treat the stump as we cut it.

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And some, some of them re sprout some don't.

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And then you're still just going to have seedlings popping up from the seed bank and stuff like that.

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So we just prevent that from coming back and let the Natives take over.

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And then eventually a lot of these areas will even get shaded out with just trees that we planted and stuff like that.

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So, and you did re sprout control for two years, two years on all of them, at least.

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And more re sprout control is needed. So when we think of this big project, you know, always be thinking about bringing more money to the project to continue that effort.

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Sure.

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So, for, because you have it up, the Walter Street ravine design concept, is that going to allow for a trail to continue with that?

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And would that be funded under this as well?

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Or would that have to be a separate grant or funded through city funds elsewhere?

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Yeah, this project, the bigger project keeps growing and scope and scale, which is great.

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You know, I want us to think big about this project and include everything that we want to do.

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So yes, ideally the stabilization would be would have a corresponding trail system.

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And we're internally thinking about what that would look like, whether or not we can fund it all at the same time.

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I don't know, that's where I introduced the concept of there's going to have to maybe be some phases to how we construct this project.

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But at least if we have a vision that the community and the city have bought into, then I can, you know, fund the project over time.

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Okay, thank you.

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Yeah, it kind of ties into my question.

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Have we thought about the long-term plan for the mountain bike trails that are already down there?

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Yeah, we met with the mountain bike trail crew a couple weeks ago to talk about all the different trails.

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There is going to be some impacts to their trail system from the grading.

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Also, some of the reamyandering of the stream is going to intersect some of their trails.

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They are thrilled, by the way, that we engage them and we spent time walking through the corridor

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and discussing what the trail system could look like.

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And they're really hopeful about kind of a new and improved trail system.

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And they're super jazzed about helping with this project.

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Thank you. Those bike trails are really cool down there in the middle of the city.

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Yeah.

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Right, are there any other comments or questions?

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All right, you have anything else?

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No, thank you.

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All right, that will move us in to item six.

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Consideration and possible action on a national fish and wildlife foundations sustain our Great Lakes grant application

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for a regenerative stormwater conveyance system in the Valley Creek watershed.

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Rob?

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Okay. All right. Yeah, Melissa and Ryan just touched on on this.

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This is part, this is an application that we have submitted.

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We haven't heard back yet whether we'll be invited to submit a full proposal,

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but we would like to apply what if we are invited for again for a grant to support

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the regenerative stormwater conveyance system.

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And again, that is for, oops, I want to make sure I got my right.

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$365,000 and again, that match.

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So we are, you can choose the match that you wish to submit as part of your application.

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We would use matching funds from both the advantage donation and the TID 5 budget.

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And so we are recommending that we do submit a full proposal if invited to do so.

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And again, this is for the Walter Street ravine that was just shown.

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Okay. Any comments or questions on the item?

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Just one small one.

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Is stand tech, not that it matters, but do they serve Ozaki County?

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Are they one of their clients or any other adjoining municipalities?

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Only a lot.

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Yeah, they work with, well, they'll tell you.

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Yeah, we've, is this on?

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We've done work with Ozaki County in the past.

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I'm not aware that we have any active projects with them, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

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We are the town engineer for the town of Grafton.

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We have, you know, over the years worked with numerous other municipalities in Ozaki County.

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Yeah.

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I was just looking to see about, you know, the whole picture, you know, farther upstream than our region below to the west.

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Yeah.

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Obviously to the Easters.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Yeah, I mean, we did a Valley Creek watershed plan and, you know, looking at entire watersheds is definitely important.

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Yeah.

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Let's note the, the TIFF V property with the data center is the, is the headwaters of Valley Creek.

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So we do essentially have projects and control of the entire watershed of Valley Creek right now, which is, I think, pretty unique almost anywhere to have that control.

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Yeah.

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Any other comments or questions?

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Seeing none, I will entertain a motion on this item.

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I'll move to approve the staff recommendation.

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All right.

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We have a motion by Alderman Miller.

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Is there a second?

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I'll second that.

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Second by committee member Polly.

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Any comments, questions on the motion?

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Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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All right.

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That moves us to item seven consideration and possible action on a national fish and wildlife foundation national coastal resiliency fund grant application for the Valley Creek corridor project.

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Okay.

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So, yes, these, these, so the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, they have different.

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Grant opportunities.

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I just want to just talk about sustain our great lakes.

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This is the National Coastal Resiliency Fund.

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As Melissa said, we already have one grant from them and we're using that as our planning and engineering funding.

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So our major planning and funding.

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Funding for engineering.

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So this is, yes, this is for construction and we've been invited to submit a proposal, a full proposal.

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For up to $5 million.

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And so we're very excited about the opportunity to submit that proposal and the recommendation is that we.

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Do submit that proposal for $5 million towards construction.

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Love to see this come to fruition.

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So there is that we are going to submit it with a match.

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And we can use the, the vantage grant as part of that match in addition to the money that has been set aside and did five for this work.

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All right.

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Any questions or comments on this item?

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If not, it'll entertain a motion.

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I'll, I'll make the motion to approve.

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All right.

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We have a motion by committee member.

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Is there a second?

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Second by committee member Polly.

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Any questions or discussion on the motion?

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Seeing none.

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All those in favor say aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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All right.

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That moves us to item eight.

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Presentation on stormwater management plan updates and the Northeast Lakeshore total maximum daily limits requirements and impacts to Port Washington.

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This is a discussion only item.

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Hi, I'm Aaron Volkening.

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I'm a water resources engineer with a stand tech have been working on this project with city staff.

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This is an update to the city wide stormwater management plan that was originally prepared around 2008 has not been updated since then.

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The city obtained a DNR grant to help fund this update.

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If you want to go to the next slide, Roger.

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This is sort of introducing this project tonight.

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My understanding is we will likely be back to talk about a couple of specific details of the project.

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There are some ordinance changes that are recommended.

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There is a full report 100 plus page report that's being finalized that I think you will get for review at some point.

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But I think you've been provided the executive summary in the meeting packet and just sort of want to introduce the project to you today.

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We start talking about this.

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I like to have everyone keep in mind the reasons for municipal stormwater management plan and why do we talk about stormwater management?

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I think it's important to remember that there's general reasons we do this and then there's specific regulations that the city has to follow.

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Most of you are probably familiar with the negative impacts of stormwater.

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Things like reduced water quality erosion, which you've certainly seen in some of the streams in the city.

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Flooding impacts on infrastructure and property and stuff like that.

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All good reasons to effectively manage stormwater.

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There's also regulatory requirements.

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The city has a discharge permit from the DNR, what's called an MS4 discharge permit that has certain requirements.

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That sort of flows down from the Clean Water Act, which is a federal law and then there's state administrative code.

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There's also some more recent sort of water quality regulations or water quality requirements called TMDLs or total maximum daily loads.

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I'll talk a little bit about tonight.

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Kind of keep that in mind.

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We're sort of doing this for two different broad reasons.

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We've got just sort of general good ideas and good practices.

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And then we've also got specific regulatory requirements that the city has to meet.

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Next slide.

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And the plan is sort of organized around two different frameworks.

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One of them is what we call minimum control measures.

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There's six different areas that the city program has to have according to its discharge permit relating to things like construction erosion control,

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management of runoff, after development, pollution prevention, which relates a lot to municipal operations and public works practices.

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Two different categories related to like public education and public outreach and involvement.

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And then also illicit discharge, which is when non storm water stuff is being dumped or discharged into the system.

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The other part of the project is a storm water quality analysis on different pollutant loads that are being generated by the storm storm water system.

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Next slide.

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We reviewed the current city plan in line with these minimum control measures that the permit requires that the city does.

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And there's a lot of positive things that the city has accomplished and can point to.

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The city has a lot of development going on right now as we all know.

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And several of these permit requirements relate to managing that development.

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I think in general that the city is doing a good job at that.

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As Rob has talked to you about, the city has made a big effort in reducing chloride use, salt use during the winter for snow and ice control.

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That chloride has some pretty significant water quality impacts.

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And I know that Rob is presented on the great progress that the city has made in that area.

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And that comes under the pollution prevention aspect of the permit, something that the city can point to as like a quantifiable change.

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You participate in a regional storm water education program led by what's called Sweet or the Southeastern Wisconsin Watershed Trust.

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I think they do a pretty good job at leading that.

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Public education and outreach is required by your permit.

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And a lot of communities choose to participate in that regional effort.

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You know, it's a lot more effective than you guys like developing a whole program on your own.

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You guys supplement it I think with some nice city specific things and then also participate in that regional program.

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You've recently purchased a couple new street sweepers.

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They are vacuum type sweepers.

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They're noticeably more efficient at removing material, picking it up compared to the older mechanical broom type sweepers.

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And you're able to get some numeric pollutant reduction credit because of that change in street super equipment.

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And then finally, as we've heard tonight, the city has some really comprehensive multi-benefit programs and investments.

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They're making in different areas in the city, different watersheds and different water bodies like the Valley Creek Project.

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And there's a lot of different benefits as you've heard tonight.

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One of those is storm water management.

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Next slide.

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We do have some recommendations related to these minimum control measures.

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There's some ordinance changes are recommended to sort of bring parts of the ordinance in line with current state and federal regulations.

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And also sort of reflect how the existing ordinances have worked and what could be improved.

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So I think that's something my understanding is we'll probably be bringing forward in more detail at a future date.

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The DNR is placing an increased emphasis on inspection and maintenance of privately owned storm water BMPs.

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Not that the city has to fully do that, but private owners are supposed to be doing that.

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And over time that the DNR is going to look for more record keeping on that.

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We definitely recommend continuing to participate in this regional public education and outreach program.

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There's potentially some changes that could be made to municipal leaf management.

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Related to meeting these TMDL requirements that I'll talk a little bit about.

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And then just some administrative procedures related to how permits are handled and stuff like that.

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Next slide.

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The other part was a storm water quality analysis.

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We use computer models, computer software to estimate the runoff that's being generated in the city system.

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Certain pollutants, things like what we call total suspended salads, phosphorus, which is a, you know, some phosphorus is essential of a life.

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But in general, urban storm water has too much phosphorus that causes things like algae blooms, you know, decreased water clarity, stuff like that.

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We compare those pollutant loads to regulatory requirements.

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And then we look at some strategies or some projects to reduce those pollutant loads.

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So next slide.

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I mentioned this idea of a TMDL or a total maximum daily load.

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And that's a water quality plan or a water quality, you know, sort of a regulatory requirement that is done by the state and it's approved by the EPA.

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And the idea is that they look at water bodies that are said to be polluted or they're not fully meeting their water quality standards.

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And they figure out, okay, you know, what's the maximum amount of pollutant loads that water body that we could allow and still meet those water quality requirements.

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They compare that to, you know, what we think the current loads going to that water body actually are that's based on monitoring field measurements as well as modeling.

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And often what we find is that the allowable or the target pollutant loads are generally lower than the current discharges.

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So, you know, too much pollution is being discharged and oftentimes they're much lower.

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The idea behind a TMDL is that it's supposed to be water body specifics.

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You're supposed to look at actual conditions in that water body.

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There are some older regulations that are sort of more blanket.

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Like, if you know anything about stormwater regulations, there's a statewide requirement for 20% suspended salvage reduction.

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New development has like, you know, sort of blanket statewide reduction requirements.

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And, you know, there was a thought that, you know, those don't really necessarily always reflect what's really going on in an individual water body.

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So, the TMDLs are more water body focused.

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If we do see this gap, then permit holders like the city has its MS4 permit.

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You know, wastewater treatment plants have permits, certain, you know, industrial plants have permits.

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They have to make reductions in the future.

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The city is in two TMDLs right now, the Milwaukee River TMDL and the Northeast Lakeshore TMDL.

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And if you want to go to the next slide, Roger.

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The Milwaukee River TMDL is a little bit earlier or a little bit older.

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It was became effective in 2018.

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It requires total suspended salads or TSS and phosphorus reductions from two different drainage basins in the city.

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Might be able to see them and purple there.

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So, these are the areas of the city that drain towards the Milwaukee River rather than more directly to Lake Michigan.

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You know, it's, you know, not a real large part of the city.

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You know, more of the city drains more directly to Lake Michigan.

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But there were pollutant reduction requirements that are needed to meet this TMDL.

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The good news is that the city is currently meeting these requirements now.

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That's partly a result of how past development in these areas were managed.

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You know, these are some of the newer, you know, developed areas of the city where you were putting in stormwater ponds

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and stormwater treatment practices as they were developing.

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And then the city has also done a couple of recent projects to boost that pollutant removal even more.

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You did a retrofit at a stormwater pond in the Misty Ridge area.

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There was some infiltration testing that was done.

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And so the good news is that it has all helped these TMDL requirements to come to be met for the Milwaukee River TMDL.

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If you want to go to the next slide.

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The Northeast Lakeshore TMDL covers most of the city there.

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And it became effective in October of 2023.

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And, you know, sort of the not so good news is that there's a long ways to go to meet some of these pollutant reduction requirements for TSS and phosphorus.

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It's divided up into a couple different drainage areas.

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There's Salt Creek and Mineral Spring Creek are kind of lumped together there.

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Valley Creek and some areas that drain directly to Lake Michigan or hand a little bit separately.

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But, you know, the exact numbers aren't super important at this point.

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But what's important is that there's a big gap between what the TMDL says is ultimately allowable and what's that right now.

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If you want to flip to the next slide.

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You know, a challenge, I guess one of my key messages for tonight is we want to start thinking about how to meet this because it's going to be a long process and that's okay.

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But it's going to be a challenge.

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One of the challenges is that the TMDL requires you to figure out how to reduce pollutant loads from already developed areas.

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So, you know, new development has its stormwater management requirements.

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So like when the data center came in, they have to do very stringent stormwater management.

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When a residential subdivision comes in, they have to meet stringent stormwater management and stormwater treatment requirements.

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But the TMDL requires you to go back to areas that are already developed and figure out how to do stormwater in those areas.

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And if you have a dense area like downtown Port Washington or even some of the older residential areas, how do you fit stormwater treatment?

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So on the left, I've got a picture of downtown.

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On the right, I guess you can't see it very well.

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But it's a picture, an aerial photo of the Hidden Hills area, which is in the Milwaukee TMDL, which meets that TMDL requirement.

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Hidden Hills has a lot of green space that's devoted to stormwater management.

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So it's got ponds, it's got infiltration swales, it's got infiltration basins and constructed wetlands.

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So, you know, when you do new development or when you have low density residential development, you can do something like that.

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You know, how do you treat stormwater in a more densely developed area?

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That's a big challenge.

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Next slide.

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This slide talks about some different options for different practices and the types of pollutant removals you can see.

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I think I'm going to skip over this for now.

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We can come back to this if we need to.

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The good news is that, you know, the regulators like the DNR and the EPA recognize that this is going to be a hard thing to do.

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And, you know, honestly, fully meeting these TMDL requirements is probably going to take decades.

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You know, that's the sort of timeframe we're talking about.

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So, you know, the city is not required to immediately comply with these requirements or comply with them in the short term.

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You know, so that's, you know, how often do you have a regulatory requirement, you know, but you're told you have decades to meet this.

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I mean, that's a little unusual and that's good because it's going to be challenging.

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But what the regulators are going to want to see is they're going to want to see regular progress.

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You know, they're going to want to see quantifiable actions, you know, that are definitive things you're doing.

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What happens is that these TMDL requirements get written into your discharge permit and the DNR sets like interim goals for you.

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We're still waiting on a reissue of the sort of general stormwater statewide permit that the city falls under.

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That was supposed to have been out by now.

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I have not seen a draft of it.

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I think it's supposed to come at some point this year and that might have some more specifics on, you know, more details of the implementation.

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But in that permit is going to be, you know, some specific milestones for interim progress.

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Next slide.

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Last slide here.

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You know, so we've started to look at and, you know, in the future, what we want to discuss is different ways to start achieving these pollutant reductions.

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And these are some broad categories. So one is green infrastructure.

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We talked about the regenerative stormwater conveyance systems that falls into that.

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A pretty common thing is what we call bioretension areas or bioswales.

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Very similar to rain gardens, you know, often built along streets now, you know, on the terrorist area, perhaps in medians, stuff like that.

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There's other kinds of green infrastructure too that can be effective.

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Underground treatment, you see a couple of pictures here, you know, sometimes if land is, you know, in short supply, people might build underground stormwater treatment.

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Something that we could look at.

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We've had some discussions with city staff is, you know, looking at parcels of land that, you know, maybe you're vacant right now, you know, or have a spot in them that's not being used, you know, could have used for stormwater treatment.

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The DNR gives you some credit for phosphorus reduction. If you have certain things you do with your municipal leaf management program.

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So that would be a future possibility. A big one of the big requirements is that when residents, you know, put out their leaves, they don't put them in the street.

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They have to put them on the terrace, you know, so in the grass behind the curb, and then the city crews have to come up and take them off the terrace when they collect them.

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So that would be a change, you know, people, you know, not everyone would like that change, I guess.

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You know, but the idea is that you're not having all those leaves, those dead leaves, which generate a lot of phosphorus.

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Some research has shown that, you know, up more than 50% of the annual phosphorus load comes during that fall, you know, sort of leaf off period.

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The idea is that all those leaves are not sitting in the street, you know, just being rained on whenever it rains in the fall and immediately washing downstream.

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There's also certain requirements for like the frequency that you would collect those leaves and, you know, street the suite.

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And the report is going to have some more discussion of that.

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You could do retrofits of your existing stormwater facilities.

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That's something we did at Misty Ridge Pond to meet the Milwaukee River TMDL requirements.

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There's something called water quality trading, which is where you would work with someone else, like a lot of times this is done with an agricultural landowner.

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And you would, you would pay them or you would cooperate with them in some fashion to do something where they would reduce phosphorus on their land.

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And you would get some credit for it. The idea behind water quality trading is that sometimes fast reproduction and agricultural land is kind of a low hanging fruit.

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You know, and it's often like if you look at a cost per pound of phosphorus removed, oftentimes the least costly way to do that is to do some changes in agricultural, you know, farming areas.

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But, you know, the city does not, you know, you're not, you don't own a farm. So you can't directly say, you know, you're going to make a change, but the water quality trading program allows allows for that.

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So I think that's it. Is that the last slide?

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Yep. So, you know, happy to talk about it tonight. I mean, I could talk for this about an hour.

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I think we'll be back to talk about more details, but, you know, wanted to introduce this to you tonight and get everyone thinking about it and introduce to the plan update and the TMDL concept and so forth.

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All right. Thank you. Any comments? Yes.

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What is the, what is the monitoring program for ensuring you're within specs and your TMDL? Is it that you just take a sample of water every so often?

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Or how do we know that we're actually compliant?

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Yeah. The, the DNR does a lot of monitoring and, you know, other groups like the city or volunteer groups can also monitor.

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There's actually a DNR database called the, I think it's called the swims database where all this monitor monitoring data gets looked up.

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So, so they did monitoring when they developed the TMDLs and then they, they continue to do it. And I'm glad you asked the question because the way that a, the way that a TMDL ultimately ends is if monitoring shows that the water quality has improved enough.

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So like, you know, what, what occasionally happens is that, you know, the, the, the water quality monitoring trends gets better.

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And, you know, you may not have done all the BMPs that you said you're going to do, but maybe you've made some progress.

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And if, if there are other things happening in the watershed and the monitoring shows that the quality has gotten better than that TMDL will ultimately end.

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On the other hand, if you are, you know, doing BMPs, changing practices, but the monitoring data just isn't showing a change, then, you know, that TMDL is not going to end.

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I mean, you know, you're not going to be in trouble necessarily, but everyone's going to have to come together and say, you know, we thought we were doing some stuff that was going to help the monitoring data is not reflecting it.

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You know, what do we do next?

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Okay. And then also, do the, do the things they're looking for ever evolved, like, mainly fast for us, but would they ever come and say, like, we want to look at PFAS now or something or is it pretty well set?

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I potentially, but, but from what we've seen so far in Wisconsin, once they publish a TMDL, the, the pollutants that are covered in it stay pretty fixed.

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I mean, you know, they're, they're working on regulations related to, like, new chemicals and stuff like that, PFAS, microplastics, stuff like that.

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That, that will probably happen outside of the TMDL framework, though.

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You know, what, what they try for, you know, total suspended salads is one of the pollutants that, that are regulated and that you're supposed to reduce.

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And because they found that a lot of pollutants get attached to those salads.

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And so, you know, salads by themselves are not necessarily a bad thing.

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Like, you know, if you've got clean sand or clean silt or whatever, you know, a moderate amount of it is, is okay.

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But what they found is that pollutants attached to those salads.

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And the idea is that by managing those salads, you're managing a lot of other pollutants too.

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Like metals is another one that, you know, we know that, that certain kinds of metals in storm water are a problem.

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There's usually not TMDLs for metals because we assume that by managing that TSS, we're also, you know, sort of attacking that metal source.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. One of the other ones that we see is bacteria that, that we have to monitor for.

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Yep.

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So in a rain event, if you look at saw Creek, you'll often notice that there's a, I presume a lot of suspended salads,

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silty suspended salads coming from outside the city coming through is.

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Will you be including recommendations at all for dealing besides, you know, the trading TMDLs stuff for waterways like that coming into the city?

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Because we do have some people to their concerned that live along the creek are concerned about erosion from it and anything that would also mitigate flooding on saw Creek coming into the city probably as beneficial to other property owners in the city.

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Yeah.

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You know, areas outside of the outside of the city. I know that.

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You know, Ozaki County does some work in various watersheds.

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The, in a TMDL, every discharger of pollutants is supposed to make similar reductions.

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You know, the idea is they try to treat people fairly. So the, there is also like an agricultural load reduction requirement.

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The, the issue is that the mechanism for actually making people reduce those agricultural loads, there's just, there's not as much leverage there, to be honest, like, you know, most, unless they're a CAFO, you know, most agricultural land does not have a discharge permit.

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A lot of them do have nutrient management plans, you know, which a lot of farmers have been good about developing and following.

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But there, TMDLs do say that this, this sediment and phosphorus load from agricultural land is supposed to happen.

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To be honest, you know, right now there's not as much regulatory leverage to try to force that to happen.

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That's one reason for the water quality trading requirement is that, you know, maybe as a watershed, you know, the most cost effective way to do it might be to try to, try to change management and some of that.

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Yeah, about 25 years ago, Zaki County tried to implement an ordinance that would have forced farmers to keep grass drips along waterways.

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And there was a very strong pushback against that and the county abandoned it.

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Yeah, it, it, it honestly goes back to the Clean Water Act, which, you know, I think originally is from like 1970 or something like that.

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There was a political decision not to treat agricultural land that the same as urban land.

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And, and there's, you know, probably like both sides of this year to that.

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But, you know, that's sort of the, the political and legal reality.

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Okay. Any other comments, questions?

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All right.

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Mike, can I just run there a little bit on water quality?

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If I'm wrong, Aaron, but so one of the issues with water quality training could be the most paying for your buck, but you're taking city taxpayer dollars training it on the town.

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The other thing is if the stream is not so improvement, then you're still on the hook for doing improvements in your own city.

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Am I correct that?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, so we lose either way.

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It's not a panacea, but it is, it is a tool.

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On the other hand, if, if they're like, let's say there's a big area of erosion upstream that, that truly is the biggest problem.

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If you were to tackle that, you know, the monitoring data might show that, that, you know, might make a noticeable difference like you were asking about.

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So, as far as the monitoring goes, do you, like the specific sites for monitoring?

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Do you monitor the stream before it enters the city of Port Washington?

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The city of Port Washington to see what's coming into the city prior to leaving the city?

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Like, how do you?

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Yeah, the, the DNR does the monitoring and they kind of decide, you know, where, where they think the appropriate monitoring points are.

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You, you could do additional monitoring.

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I mean, I've heard of communities doing that to try to make the case that, hey, the, the pollutant load is not coming from us or whatever.

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You know, it, it is a possibility, perhaps, you know, getting, getting more data to show that the watershed is behaving in a certain way.

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Any other questions?

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All right.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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They'll bring us then to item nine, consideration and possible action on a utility service agreement with the village of Sockville.

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Roger.

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Roger.

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So, we're working on our sanitary sewer service area, which, let me zoom out a little bit on this map.

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You know, which is largely depicted here.

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It's a sanitary sewer service area.

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What that, what that basically is, is that, that's areas where the city's thinking it's going to grow into it.

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It's provide sanitary services to it.

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Sewer pack looks at that area and they look at environmental issues and, and whatnot to make sure.

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So then, so then when you do actually develop a piece of this land, you'll, you submit your sanitary sewer extension permits, the sewer pack for what's called a 208 letter.

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They say, yes, it's in the sanitary sewer service area. We've, we've checked it out.

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We've, we've, we know it's not going to create an environmental impact and they for that, the DNR.

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So, so that's, that's the purpose behind it is just to make sure that, that you're growing in a kind of responsible manner.

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So, obviously, the stuff on the snore side that that's triggered by, by the data center development.

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And, and so we're looking at like, hey, these blue areas are canalsville.

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So we agreed to provide sanitary sewer.

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And that was already in our sanitary sewer service area.

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But as we, we've talked in here as what we're going to need to serve canalsville.

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We're going to have to put some lift stations in because of some sort of line areas.

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And when we do that, it's just logical then to include the next uphill area to come into that lift station.

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And that kind of expands our sanitary sewer service area.

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And we kind of look at what, what might, what might see development in 20 years.

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That's kind of working out.

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We're not thinking that this whole area is going to grow in 20 years.

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But, but there might be a something that happens up here.

01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:53.000
There might be something that happens over here.

01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.000
We need to get it incorporated.

01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:58.000
But we're not just growing on the north end.

01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:02.000
We're also growing.

01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:05.000
Well, I guess this is, this would also be considered north.

01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:10.000
But over here, this is the simplicity proven grounds area.

01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:14.000
You know, we can anticipate growth in there.

01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:18.000
And then what this presentation or agreement is here is.

01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:23.000
In this area, we also have developers calling us about developing land.

01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.000
And we're fighting up against sockville.

01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:32.000
So as some of you may be aware, maybe all of you are aware.

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:39.000
A while back ago that the Shannon farm area, which is along highway 33.

01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.000
That's in the city's corporate limits.

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:47.000
That was in sockville sanitary sewer service area.

01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:53.000
And result as, as for the city to develop that property.

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.000
They get it into our sanitary sewer service area.

01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:01.000
We essentially paid sockville $100,000 to make it happen.

01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:08.000
So what this agreement is doing is saying, hey, here's where the city thing is.

01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:12.000
It's going to grow.

01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:20.000
Men here.

01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:24.000
I mean, so sockville's got their growth in mind.

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.000
And so it's basically we're button up.

01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.000
And if you ladies two together, they would fit like a puzzle pieces.

01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:33.000
We've coordinated with them that we're not overlapping any lands.

01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:49.000
But what the agreement is going to say is, hey, if somebody over in this corner wants to be in poor Washington, for whatever reason, most likely is because it can be less expensive for them to get sewer for poor Washington.

01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.000
The exchange is just going to happen.

01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:54.000
We will do it cooperatively.

01:05:54.000 --> 01:06:00.000
We're not going to fight each other on who gets that development.

01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:08.000
So that's the purpose of this agreement.

01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:13.000
So this is the village of sockville, not the town of sockville we're talking about.

01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:14.000
Correct.

01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:38.000
All right, so the agreement basically leaves it then that it would both municipalities, it would be up to them to if a request is made to determine that it is not economically viable for them to service this area and thus agree to the swap.

01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:44.000
What teeth does that have that it has to actually be economically viable?

01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:49.000
And one side or the other couldn't just drag their feet on it and just say, no, we're absolutely not giving that up.

01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:59.000
No matter what does it, I'm just asking, does this, it's a nice, it's a nice idea that this has a cooperative agreement.

01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:07.000
Does it really do anything if one side or the other just decides that the other is not going to pay attention to it anymore?

01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:15.000
Chris Smith from VONBRIZEN will be presenting the council on the subject next week.

01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:25.000
He probably can answer that one better than I can, but essentially what I've been told a lot of municipal agreements are relatively easy to break.

01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:26.000
Yeah.

01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:29.000
But we just figured it's a first step.

01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:34.000
It puts it in writing, hopefully future councils and everybody say, yeah, this just makes sense.

01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:39.000
Development in the region benefits both communities.

01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:40.000
No.

01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:44.000
No, I agree that the agreements are a good idea to have.

01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:49.000
I'm just skeptical that when push comes to shove, it's going to hold up.

01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:51.000
But I hope to be proven wrong.

01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.000
Any other questions or comments?

01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:01.000
Seeing none, I will entertain a motion on this item.

01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:04.000
I'll make the motion to approve.

01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.000
So we got a motion by Alderman Miller.

01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:07.000
Is there a second?

01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:08.000
Second.

01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.000
Second by Alderman Beaster.

01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.000
Any discussion on the motion?

01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.000
Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:16.000
Aye.

01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.000
Opposed?

01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:19.000
Motion carries.

01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:20.000
All right.

01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:30.000
That moves us to item 10, consideration and possible action on a proposal from hydrocorp to continue to complete cross connection control services.

01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:35.000
All right.

01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:45.000
A cross connection control program is required by the DNR for all water, municipal or water utilities.

01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:59.000
Hydrocorp has been contracted by the city for almost 15 years now to basically manage the industrial commercial aspect of our cross connection program.

01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:04.000
So this is basically a proposal to renew our contract with them.

01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:07.000
Our previous contract was for two years.

01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.000
We're looking at extending this into four years.

01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:13.000
Just so we don't have to come back every two years to do this.

01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:20.000
Basically, right now they manage over 450 connections, if you will.

01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:26.000
That's 450 businesses.

01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:33.000
The city of Port has quite a few facilities that meet this requirement.

01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:37.000
So basically everybody in the city that has a potential cross connection.

01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:47.000
Hydrocorp handles the scheduling of the inspections and then they do the inspection all along the way.

01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.000
We're getting notified about everything.

01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:59.000
We get disconnection notices if the compliance isn't meant by these requirements.

01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:04.000
And then it's basically on us to enforce any kind of action on that.

01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:07.000
But most people are businesses comply.

01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:12.000
So we haven't had to do anything in my time here.

01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:19.000
As far as hydrocorp as a partner goes, they work very well with us.

01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:25.000
We've had no issues with what they do for us.

01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.000
They work with other communities around here.

01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:34.000
So they're a very known source of information for connections, cross connection inspections.

01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:43.000
We also are looking at pursuing some meter testing with them in the future for our industrial and commercial meters.

01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:51.000
We're kind of in the process of replacing a lot of older meters in the industrial and commercial world.

01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:57.000
So once those come up for testing, we're going to look at potentially hiring them for that service too.

01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:01.000
So, yeah, it's pretty, pretty cut and dry.

01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:04.000
Any questions?

01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:05.000
I have a question.

01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.000
Is it something that's typically subbed out in most municipalities?

01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:10.000
Yeah, actually, I should have talked about that.

01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:11.000
Yeah.

01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:13.000
Yes.

01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:17.000
The reason is most communities like our size are even smaller.

01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:23.000
They just don't have the capability of hiring a full-time inspector, if you will,

01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:28.000
or sending one of their crew members to class to be certified to do this.

01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:33.000
And if they did, it would basically be almost a full-time kind of position throughout the year.

01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:40.000
Is there a threshold where a community would consider hiring full-time, just considering the growth over the next?

01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:49.000
I would say it would have to be a larger community.

01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:55.000
And then, to be honest, with what's coming to the north, that's going to be probably out of our realm,

01:11:55.000 --> 01:12:00.000
where we're going to need a professional service to make sure that everything is up to date.

01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:05.000
I would say at paying $74,000 for it for four years.

01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:12.000
If it was twice that much a year, that's probably closer to the threshold of where we need to consider having our own guy.

01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:13.000
Yeah.

01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:16.000
So eight times the size of Port Washington, roughly.

01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:17.000
Yeah.

01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:23.000
I mean, there are communities to the north that they will have somebody do it, but then they share.

01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:28.000
They'll do multiple communities or a whole county.

01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:32.000
Any other comments or questions?

01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:38.000
If none, I will entertain a motion for this.

01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:40.000
I'll move to prove the staff recommendation.

01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:41.000
All right.

01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:43.000
We have a motion by committee member Pauli.

01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:44.000
Is there a second?

01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:45.000
I'll second.

01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:46.000
Second by Alderman Beaster.

01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.000
Any questions or discussion on the motion?

01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:52.000
Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:53.000
Aye.

01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:54.000
Opposed?

01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:55.000
Motion carries.

01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:56.000
Thank you.

01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:03.000
That brings us to item 11, Consideration and Possible Action on Bluff Stabilization Drain Line Bed.

01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:04.000
Roger.

01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:05.000
All right.

01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:09.000
If you recall, we bid this job earlier in the year.

01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:12.000
We had nine plan holders.

01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.000
None of them put a bit in.

01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:18.000
Every figure to scope a work a little bit.

01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:21.000
Mostly it gave them a little bit more time to get the work done.

01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:23.000
We had two interested.

01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:25.000
One submitted a little bit.

01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.000
The bid was $450,000.

01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:29.000
Our budget's $100,000.

01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:37.000
So again, I think we're in a position where I recommend that we reject the bid and look

01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:38.000
at the project again.

01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:46.000
See what we can do to get more bidders and get it more in line with what we have budgeted.

01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:50.000
What was the scope of the project again?

01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:58.000
Essentially, to put horizontal drill, three drain lines from the top of the bluff roughly,

01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:05.000
behind the road, down to the toe of slope.

01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:11.000
The challenge seems to be that there's a perforated section of pipe in there to hit the sand seam,

01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:15.000
silt seam that Mary Lou mentioned earlier tonight.

01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:20.000
The water, get it off, collect it, drain it down to the toe of slope without coming out

01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.000
of the face of the slope.

01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:31.000
It seems like some of the contractors we've talked to have a little bit concern about whether

01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:36.000
they can do it and deliver a project that would hold up the warranty.

01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:38.000
That'll function.

01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:45.000
My plan now is to go back to our engineer and essentially talk it over and say, okay,

01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.000
what changes do we need to make?

01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:55.000
They talk to some contractors when they put their design together, can they shake them?

01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:59.000
People lose the bid to project?

01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.000
With only the one bid, is there any way?

01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:07.000
I mean, do we have an idea of what this should cost?

01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:09.000
Right now, I wish.

01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:12.000
We had a couple of projects that we couldn't.

01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:18.000
Yes, we were given engineering estimates when the project was designed, that this project

01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:21.000
would be under $100,000.

01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:24.000
So that's why we're recommending to reject the bid.

01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:31.000
And so we've, yeah, we need to have more conversations.

01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:34.000
We have had conversations with Miller.

01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:40.000
But I think we need to have more and do more outreach to contractors.

01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:45.000
So we normally, I need a given project.

01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.000
We don't spend a lot of time recruiting contractors.

01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:56.000
So after receiving zero bids and nine plan holders, Roger did reach out to more contractors.

01:15:56.000 --> 01:16:05.000
But contractors don't often give you honest feedback until after the, well, they may never give it to you.

01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:11.000
But in any case, so we don't know until the bid day who's going to submit a bid.

01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:17.000
And so now, so twice we've had, I'll just say, disappointing results.

01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:30.000
And so I think we're going to have to get more aggressive in determining what is keeping contractors from bidding this work.

01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:33.000
I mean, some of it is there is just a ton of work out there.

01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:36.000
There aren't a ton of directional drillers out there.

01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:38.000
And so I think that's part of the problem.

01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.000
They can be very choosy these days.

01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:45.000
This is a little bit of a higher, I think they see this as a little bit of a higher risk project.

01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:46.000
It's also not a very common project.

01:16:46.000 --> 01:17:06.000
And so, and if we can't, if we can't accomplish getting this design work, I think we just have to go back to Miller and say, what can we do to achieve our goals with a different design.

01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:17.000
I mean, so I think we have to have some serious conversations with Miller.

01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:19.000
They didn't work with a car.

01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:25.000
I know they worked with a contractor who we have reached out to, and they've not submitted a bid.

01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:32.000
And I think we need to, again, have more conversations.

01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:38.000
So is there a better time of year maybe to be putting this out?

01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.000
Is this the seasonal work?

01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:47.000
Is this something urgent that we should be doing right away and not putting off?

01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:54.000
Or do you have a better feel what maybe what we're missing here?

01:17:54.000 --> 01:18:01.000
Well, the sooner we get it in that, you know, the sooner we install it, the better as far as dewatering the bluff.

01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.000
But Roger put it out for bids.

01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:10.000
We put it out for bids in early spring and gave the contractor pretty much the whole year to do it.

01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:12.000
And that hasn't.

01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:13.000
Yeah.

01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:18.000
It's something like November a better time because that's often when contractors are setting their schedules.

01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:20.000
But this is a small project.

01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:21.000
Right.

01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:22.000
You mean in terms of bidding?

01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:23.000
In terms of bidding?

01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:24.000
Yeah.

01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:26.000
I guess I don't.

01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:36.000
Or can it be combined with a different project to make it more attractive?

01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:47.000
I'm not sure what the recommendation we received from Miller is that this should be a standalone project like a year prior to doing any bluff work.

01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:50.000
But again, I just think contractors are very busy.

01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:53.000
This is a relatively small project for a directional drill.

01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:56.000
I guess I don't know all the answers.

01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:58.000
Roger's had more of the conversations.

01:18:58.000 --> 01:18:59.000
Yeah.

01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:04.000
I mean, I think that I guess my mind that that's I'm looking for is kind of.

01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:10.000
Let's work our scope and our design a little bit here.

01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:15.000
Get it off the street because everyone's seen this project now for.

01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.000
Six months.

01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:23.000
And then bring back out because this work could be done in the winter.

01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:26.000
I mean, there's there's nothing that's requiring.

01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:31.000
In fact, we prefer that not be done now when people want to be using the beach.

01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:34.000
I mean, we don't want to close off the beach for construction jobs.

01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:38.000
So maybe that that's the thing.

01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:43.000
Part of it is it's grand funded, you know, the grant expires at the end of the year.

01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:47.000
So we'll have to look at that extensions.

01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:51.000
Yeah, it can be extended.

01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:52.000
Okay.

01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:53.000
All right.

01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:55.000
Any other questions?

01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.000
All right.

01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:01.000
Seeing none, we'll be entertaining a motion on this item.

01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:04.000
I'll move to approve the staff recommendation.

01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:05.000
All right.

01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:12.000
We have a motion to approve the staff recommendation by Alderman Miller, which is to reject the bid.

01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:14.000
Is there a second?

01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:15.000
I'll second.

01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:21.000
Any questions on the motion?

01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:22.000
Seeing none.

01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:24.000
All those in favor say aye.

01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:25.000
Aye.

01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:26.000
Opposed?

01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:27.000
Motion carries.

01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:28.000
All right.

01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:38.000
That brings us to item 12 consideration and possible action on construction change order five at the wastewater treatment plan.

01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:39.000
All right.

01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.000
So last board meeting, we approve this change order.

01:20:42.000 --> 01:21:00.000
And then after the meeting, he essentially got it, got informed about four days later that the manufacturer of this role said, hey, by the way, there's, there's a tariff on this.

01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:07.000
And currently it's 50% of the materials, which comes out there on like $35,000.

01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:13.000
So that was not improved in the scope of the change order.

01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:19.000
So I guess what I want to do.

01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:21.000
So basically, I wanted to bring the hope out.

01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:24.000
We never executed a change order done with the contractor.

01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:29.000
So I thought, you know, bring it back here to discuss that a little bit.

01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:36.000
We are pursuing now and we know two fabricators per se.

01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:39.000
We'll give us proposals for this.

01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:45.000
We had talked to some other fabricators rather than original previously.

01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:53.000
But the original fabricator gave us what we thought was a reasonable price for this type of work.

01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:59.000
And then sticking with, you know, like OEM parts, you know, like on a car.

01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:17.000
But now with the price and then with additional with the tariffs, it's like, yeah, there might be another fabricator out there like that can beat that price and give us almost a good quality or almost a good fit for the product that would be acceptable for the process.

01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:19.000
So we want to pursue that.

01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:23.000
But one of the things I'm running into is

01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.000
timing on this.

01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:31.000
And I know if we stick with the original person that accompanied it, it was like a

01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:41.000
16 week lead, I think, or something is pushing it out in October and getting into the time of year where it might not be feasible to install it.

01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:45.000
You know, if it drags out into December, January.

01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:59.000
So what I guess I'm asking the board for approval is we get these other proposals from these fabricators.

01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:07.000
We essentially kind of do a risk analysis, you know, between us and our consultant and our contractor.

01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:10.000
If we think it's worthwhile, you know, so look at time.

01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:11.000
We look at costs.

01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:24.000
We look at, you know, how well this will this newly fabricated structure by not the original manufacturer, how well will that work with our current system.

01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:34.000
But if all that works out, I'd like to move ahead and then come back at the next board meeting.

01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:38.000
Or official change order approval just just on the timing basis.

01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:45.000
So I would say it's the original approval was 131,000.

01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:53.000
So we're, you know, if you want to cap it like 170, that's kind of worst case.

01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:57.000
That's where we'd be at with the current manufacturer.

01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:00.000
All right.

01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:10.000
So will other manufacturers be able to meet a tighter schedule to get it or they have just as long of a lead time as the preferred original manufacturer?

01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:11.000
I don't know.

01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:14.000
We haven't heard that from.

01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:15.000
We haven't.

01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:20.000
Two of them have said, yes, we'll get your proposal.

01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:23.000
And that that's two main questions.

01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:24.000
What is the cost?

01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.000
How soon can you get it done?

01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:31.000
But they seem to think that they could meet the schedule.

01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:35.000
Otherwise, it's not worth third time or our time.

01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:36.000
Okay.

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:48.000
If we have to hold over till spring to put it in, is there any extraordinary measures that we have to take to protect the facility in that time or?

01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:53.000
Well, it's shut down now in a real structure already damaged.

01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:56.000
So the part that's going to get damaged.

01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:57.000
So I wouldn't think so.

01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:02.000
I mean, we're just at the, it's 50% of our processes.

01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:07.000
If the, if the other process would go down, there's no redundancy.

01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:08.000
So, I mean, that's our risk.

01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:22.000
We don't have any redundancy and, and, and if those kick up for a certain period of time, you look at hydraulic capacity issues, but the biggest issue is lack of redundancy.

01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:24.000
Okay.

01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:25.000
All right.

01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:26.000
Any other questions?

01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:27.000
Comments?

01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:35.000
So what, what you're asking is basically just to take more time to keep evaluating.

01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:47.000
Essentially, but if, if I get a good, if I get a good proposal, I want to move ahead with it right away and not wait a month to come back here.

01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:49.000
So I, so what I, what I can do is I can talk to Mike.

01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:51.000
I could talk to people individually.

01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:53.000
I think, can I?

01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:54.000
I'm not sure.

01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:58.000
I have to make sure I'm avoiding a walking quorum issue here.

01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:03.000
But, you know, certainly not doing things in, in the dark.

01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:07.000
I let, let people know what's going on, but, but to be able to move ahead.

01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:13.000
If I, if, if somebody says, hey, we can do this in six weeks, then I can wait.

01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:24.000
So you're, you're basically asking for the, for the cost of what the, of what the tariff would be.

01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:29.000
But then you have the flexibility to change to someone else to save that money if you can find them.

01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:30.000
Yes.

01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:31.000
Yes.

01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:32.000
Yeah.

01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:34.000
I, I like the approach.

01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:35.000
I think.

01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:36.000
That's great.

01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:41.000
We can all have our mic side.

01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:43.000
Is there, was there any effort made to negotiate?

01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:49.000
I mean, we got this approved and this individual came to us after the fact with the tariff,

01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:50.000
additional tariff costs.

01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:57.000
And if there was, you know, if it is a matter of avoiding any redundancy issues,

01:26:57.000 --> 01:27:01.000
is there been any negotiations made to try to net cost down?

01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:02.000
Yeah.

01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:08.000
We, we spent, like, I know the contractor himself.

01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:09.000
Good.

01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:14.000
Cause they're, they're once doing most of the dealing spent the same amount of time and it kind of, like.

01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:17.000
Essentially run them the riot act, but, but hey, yeah.

01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:19.000
Why wasn't this on it?

01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:21.000
That this was nor on original quote you gave us.

01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:22.000
Why is it coming now?

01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:27.000
I got to go to my client and tell them cause.

01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:29.000
You know, it's a big chunk of money.

01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:30.000
They're not going to eat it.

01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.000
Oh.

01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:35.000
They're the ones who made the quote.

01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:36.000
We're the ones who agreed.

01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:38.000
Don't we have a contract for that?

01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:43.000
Well, they never got executed because of this.

01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:52.000
The other thing with the current administration.

01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:59.000
Teriffs could get, could go away in two weeks.

01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:04.000
I think, I think what you're proposing is fine.

01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:05.000
I'm just.

01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:06.000
Yeah.

01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:07.000
Yeah.

01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:11.000
I mean, so, so efforts were made to try to get them to reduce the tariff, share the cost.

01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:17.000
I think if, I think if the manufacturer would have been willing to share some of the cost,

01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:21.000
we could have talked to the contractor and share, you know, and it could have been, you know,

01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:27.000
somewhat of a three way split, but the manufacturer is essentially telling us no deal.

01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:32.000
This is, I think they think that.

01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:33.000
They have the product.

01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:34.000
Nobody else has the product.

01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:41.000
They, they got us.

01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:42.000
All right.

01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:45.000
Less than anyone has additional comments or questions.

01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:52.000
I will entertain a motion on this change on this change that change order.

01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:56.000
I'll move to approach that recommendation.

01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:57.000
All right.

01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:00.000
We have a motion by committee member Polly.

01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:03.000
Is there a second?

01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.000
I will second it.

01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:06.000
All right.

01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:10.000
Is there any question or discussion on this on the motion?

01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:11.000
Seeing none.

01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:13.000
All those in favor say aye.

01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:14.000
Aye.

01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:15.000
Opposed?

01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.000
Motion carries.

01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:20.000
All right.

01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:34.000
That brings us to item 13 review 26-1 and 26-2 utility extension projects to provide sewer and water service to Canellsville in the town of Port Washington.

01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:35.000
Roger.

01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:37.000
All right.

01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:39.000
All right.

01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:58.000
Well, I'll turn this over to Aaron from Kapoor, but essentially he's going to give us an overview of our of our of our next sewer and water project that we have coming and sort of our impacts that's going to create with the area.

01:29:58.000 --> 01:29:59.000
Good evening, everybody.

01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:01.000
Are you able to bring us up there?

01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:02.000
Yeah.

01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:15.000
Thanks, Roger.

01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:17.000
Again, I'm Aaron Groh with Kapoor and Associates.

01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:21.000
It's been here a few times talking in front of your group here tonight.

01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:23.000
So thanks for having me.

01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:38.000
So right now we are complete with our design plans for the next phase to extend utilities to the north for Canellsville and also to serve the vantage site.

01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:51.000
Those two projects are 26-1 and 26-2 to the key parts of this are that we still are in discussions with PSC for approval.

01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:56.000
So we are still in the process of we've had a couple of meetings with PSC.

01:30:56.000 --> 01:31:16.000
We've had several clarifications questions and answers going back and forth with them, and we have not gotten all the answers that we need to verify that we can move forward with this project and submit to PSC.

01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:24.000
Accordingly, so that is one item that is going to drive the schedule for these projects.

01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:35.000
With that being said, this is basically a very similar presentation to what I provided before a month or two ago.

01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:42.000
So this first project is 26-1. There's 10,000 feet of water main and 5,000 feet of sanitary sewer.

01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:52.000
It's a long Highland Drive main branch road and then on County Trunk Highway KW up to where the boat storage facility is.

01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:59.000
Also, we'll provide sanitary and water laterals to Canellsville per the agreement between the city and the town.

01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:15.000
And we're estimating at just under $8 million for the construction costs and you add 20% engineering contingencies in there, it brings it up to about 9.4.

01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:26.000
The schedule still is hoping to shoot for late June or early July with construction considering in late July or early August.

01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:39.000
As I just mentioned before with these projects, PSC permitting is still an item that is driving the schedule, and until we can identify the permit process with PSC,

01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:44.000
we're in a holding pattern until we get that approval.

01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:52.000
Drive control detours routes is another item as far as how we broke this project into different phases.

01:32:52.000 --> 01:33:06.000
And then we also wanted to identify attractive sized projects to bring a lot of bidders to these two jobs, 26-1 and 26-2.

01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:11.000
We don't want to put out such a large project that you only have two or three bidders.

01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:20.000
We want to have normal size contracts that we think we can attract 10 or 15 different contractors that can put out really competitive prices.

01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:24.000
So 26-2, very similar.

01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:26.000
So this is 11,000 feet of water main.

01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:39.000
It's only water main and it's on KW Lake Drive from the storage facility north to Lake Drive and then east to the main entrance to the vantage project.

01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:47.000
Also add water main services along KW and to other other parcels that are within the town.

01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:52.000
This will provide secondary fee to redundancy.

01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:58.000
So what Roger was just speaking about before redundancy is a key component to engineering.

01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:07.000
And this is one of the main reasons why we want to provide the water to the north side of the project site for redundancy reasons.

01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:17.000
This estimated cost is $5 billion for construction, but if you add engineering contingencies at about 20%, it brings us up to just over $6 million.

01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:25.000
This schedule is similar June or early July to bid out and advertise with construction.

01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:33.000
This section is just water main and this is completely driven by the schedule of PSC.

01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:42.000
So instead of maybe starting this in July or August, we don't expect this project to start until at least October.

01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:45.000
Water main, we would expect to be installed by directional drilling.

01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:49.000
The PSC permits, as I mentioned before.

01:34:49.000 --> 01:35:02.000
The reason why we want to add directional drilling as a construction method is because it's quicker and it will also reduce the impacts to traffic in the businesses and the properties that are along KW.

01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:12.000
It's smaller work zones and just be easier for traffic to get around while they're working within KW.

01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:22.000
So this is a layout of proposed detours and work zones in the first phase of 26-1.

01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:30.000
So this is when we start up, we expect to start up in the intersection of H and Mink Ranch Road.

01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:39.000
We'll have to shift traffic onto County Trunk Highway H, just southbound lanes only, so only in one direction.

01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:45.000
The detour will also go on to County Trunk B to H and also on A to LL.

01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:56.000
We've met with the County City staff and Kapoor, we met with the County to make sure that they were in agreement with these routes and these routes they concurred with us to do this.

01:35:56.000 --> 01:36:11.000
One of the things that we discussed as well, could we maybe have a detour route on B up to A on the left side instead of having the yellow route that we show, which is on LL and County Trunk Highway A.

01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:20.000
We have to have the detour on LL and A for numerous phases and therefore we felt just from a consistency standpoint for those that are driving out here.

01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:25.000
If we change the detours back and forth and back and forth, it's going to get confusing.

01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:33.000
So even though maybe it'll be a little bit longer detour route, we just feel it's better for those that live in the area, so it's a consistent detour routes.

01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:37.000
All right.

01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:43.000
The roads that are under construction will remain open to local traffic only, so that's key.

01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:52.000
So we'll still can get on the construction routes when we're working on Highland or Mink Ranch or KW.

01:36:52.000 --> 01:37:09.000
And then on this first little section here on Mink Ranch and I-43 crossing will also be working on extending our concrete and asphalt pavement that's going to be coordinated with the next phase.

01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.000
You can go to the next sheet, please.

01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:12.000
Thank you.

01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:28.000
So this is on Highland Drive, so we will be connecting to where we ended the current construction project that just finished, which is just on Highland Drive just on the north side of the bridge on Highland Lane.

01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:37.000
So we'll connect to that point and then extend to kind of Trunk Highway H and the intersection of KW.

01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:43.000
We'll stop just short of KW and H to allow that section of road to remain open to traffic.

01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:57.000
We also want to make sure with the phasing of this that we are cognizant of the garbage drop off for the town and then also for the local restaurant that's right at this intersection.

01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:08.000
So that's one of the reasons why we wanted to stay short of KW and H to be able to allow traffic to get in and out of those areas during construction.

01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:14.000
And then this detour would be route through County Trunk Highway LL and A.

01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:18.000
Next phase, so this is the third and final phase for 26-1.

01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:26.000
So this is extending up KW and also a little bit of an extension on County Trunk Highway H.

01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:34.000
So we're completing everything else that's within that within the project scope, extending up to the boat storage facility.

01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:41.000
And then we also will extend several hundred feet up, County Trunk Highway H this season.

01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:51.000
So then the following season, if you remember our five-year outlook, County Trunk Highway H is anticipated to be constructed in 2028.

01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:58.000
And we want to be completely out of that busy intersection with County Trunk H and County Trunk KW.

01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:01.000
We don't want to be in that intersection two years in a row.

01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:06.000
So we plan extending about two or three hundred feet north into H.

01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:11.000
Get outside of the concrete pavement, the concrete pavement where that ends is where we end our project.

01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:17.000
The northbound lanes of County Trunk Highway H would be closed during this process.

01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:27.000
And so anybody that's coming from the city proper running up will be asked a detour on County Trunk Highway LL to A.

01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:31.000
Again, the roads under construction are made open to local traffic.

01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:43.000
And then we also want to make sure that we're cognizant of the restaurant that's on the intersection for this third phase of 26-1.

01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:50.000
Lastly is 26-2. So this is just the water main only in County Trunk Highway KW and on Lake Drive.

01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:56.000
The detour is on LL and A to the right and the yellow that you see.

01:39:56.000 --> 01:40:06.000
As I noted before, we expect to have this directionally drilled and then wherever there's hydrants, which is about every 600 feet,

01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:13.000
there'll be an open cut within the road. So we expect to have the majority of the road to remain as is.

01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:19.000
As they install the water main, they'll cut open a location for where the hydrants is and then continue on.

01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:28.000
So we're trying to make sure that we minimize the amount of impacts to the residents and the business owners along KW.

01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:41.000
We're also specifying that when one project is going on, 26-1, we can't be working in KW in 26-2.

01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:47.000
So our specifications are written in such a way that one job needs to finish before the other one starts.

01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:51.000
So we don't have two contractors working on KW at the same time.

01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:57.000
Again, we're trying to be as cognizant as we can to the business owners and the residents along KW.

01:40:57.000 --> 01:41:05.000
Just a question. Wouldn't it be preferable, though, to have them both working simultaneously so we can have a shorter closure on KW?

01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:17.000
Well, part of that also is driven by the PSC approval, which we expect that we won't get on this leg on 26-2,

01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:21.000
and therefore, this section likely won't start up until October.

01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:25.000
So part of that has to do with that plays a role into this, too.

01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:30.000
Yeah, I hate to see us close it, open it for a week, and then close it again.

01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:37.000
Understood, yes. We'll be very cognizant of working with both contractors, assuming that we have two different contractors that win these awards.

01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:42.000
We'll work with them to try and make sure that we minimize those changes.

01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:46.000
There's some things that you can't avoid, but point taken.

01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:47.000
Yes.

01:41:50.000 --> 01:42:02.000
Also, we identified that during warm weather, we'll use asphalt patching, and if it gets to cold weather, we're going to require them to use concrete patching.

01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:11.000
One other thing is that we're specifying to minimize potential risk or overruns to the city.

01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:15.000
We're anticipating that all this work would occur.

01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:20.000
26-1 would occur yet all in the 26, year of 26.

01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:25.000
26-2 may trickle into the year 2027.

01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:38.000
If that's the case, what our specifications are saying is that contractor, we don't expect for them to work from the timeframe of December 15th to March 15th.

01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:43.000
And if they so choose, they can do so at their own risk and at no additional cost to the city.

01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:47.000
Therefore, no change orders for cold weather applications or things of that nature.

01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:51.000
So we expect them no work from December to March.

01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:57.000
However, we would allow them if they wanted to do it, again, at no additional cost to the city.

01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:01.000
And I think that is the final sheet.

01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:02.000
Any questions?

01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:03.000
Yeah.

01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:08.000
On the detour route running on LL as opposed to B.

01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:16.000
Do we have any concern about, especially when Lake and LL will be closed for that project that all of the construction traffic is going to also be accessing this project?

01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:19.000
Accessing the site from East off of LL.

01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:20.000
Yes.

01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:28.000
Would it in that case be better to have that detour on B so that it is not sharing the roads with all the construction traffic?

01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:33.000
Other than, of course, when you get up to A, you're going to have an intersection with construction traffic.

01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:36.000
There are multiple reasons why we chose that.

01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:42.000
We also were looking at the tight angle on B and H as well.

01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:47.000
And if you if you ran or ran the detour with some of these tight angles.

01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:58.000
We also consideration of when the county part of this work is county work where the detours need to be done through county roads, right?

01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:05.000
So will a road might be a good application to have a detour, but we really can't if we have some of the county projects going on.

01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:07.000
Will the counties going to be paving on some of this?

01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:09.000
So those all played into it.

01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:17.000
We also coordinated these with the vantage design team specifically.

01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:28.000
GRAFE and they're the ones that I looked at improving all the intersections and coordinating the traffic signals, the temporary traffic signals that are planned for the intersection with I 43.

01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:36.000
And we bounced all these off of them and made sure that it worked with their plans and there were they felt that this would work as well.

01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:44.000
So we don't need to take any extraordinary measures at lake in L.L. just by having all the traffic piling up there during construction.

01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:48.000
Other than right now where we have sheriff's deputies out directing traffic twice a day.

01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.000
Well, part of the soul.

01:44:50.000 --> 01:45:03.000
Yes. So the the there will be traffic alleviated because right now Highland Drive does not have any access to construction traffic as we're completing that work.

01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:06.000
We're about a week to two weeks from that all being complete.

01:45:06.000 --> 01:45:13.000
And at that point in time, the vantage team will open the southern entrance off of Highland Drive.

01:45:13.000 --> 01:45:21.000
So about half the trucks and equipment that are coming now to lake half of them now will be coming up the south side on Highland Drive.

01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:28.000
So we'll alleviate a lot of the pressure that you have at both KW and L.L. at Lake Drive.

01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:34.000
So that's probably going to be the biggest impact of being able to open up the access point off of Highland Drive.

01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:36.000
All right. Any other questions?

01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:37.000
Yes.

01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:43.000
Have you spoken to Johnson bus company? Are we concerned about school kids and?

01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:50.000
Yes. So we've spoken with them and we also have it written on to our specifications that we will be coordinating with them.

01:45:50.000 --> 01:46:05.000
And we will discuss the contractor will be required to meet with Johnson bus once we have a preliminary schedule put together and we can talk with them as far as what the best routes are is that they need to go north or if they need to go south.

01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:18.000
So yes, that is written into our contract specifically that the contractor has to meet with Johnson bus to make sure that they are able to proceed business wise as they should.

01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:21.000
Yeah, because we don't want to hear stories about how they're an hour late for school.

01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:23.000
Yes, we understood.

01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:27.000
Thank you.

01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:32.000
Who is primarily responsible for sharing us out to the community?

01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:35.000
Because most people aren't going to watch public works meetings.

01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:39.000
So if it's because like there's this construction updates website on the vantage D.C.

01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:41.000
lighthouse campus.

01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:44.000
Do you guys have anything to do with that or is that vantage themselves?

01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:48.000
Because the last update on here was from April.

01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:53.000
So vantage has their own updates. I don't know Roger if you have any more to add to that.

01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:56.000
They're doing their own updates.

01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:09.000
We are planning on doing a P.I.M. meeting with the town public information meeting specifically Johnson bus.

01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:12.000
Piers restaurant.

01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.000
Great Lakes bolt.

01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:19.000
And it's got an operation in there just so that we could.

01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:23.000
Kind of have the same meeting discussion that we're having here.

01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:28.000
And I do apologize that was one of the key points I wanted to mention today and I forgot.

01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:35.000
Yeah, we are planning on scheduling of P.I.M. prior to any sort of road work construction.

01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:42.000
I just think if they could keep this construction updates website a little bit more updated with so people know what to expect ahead of time would be.

01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:48.000
So we can share I can certainly share this information with vantage and ask for them to add it to their site.

01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:53.000
That would be I would assume that they would be fine with doing that.

01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:57.000
Thank you.

01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:00.000
This is probably more of a question for Robin Roger.

01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:15.000
But since the project is going to be putting in curb stops for future water connections, are we doing any marketing at all to those property owners that they are going to be aware that they can connect to city water?

01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:23.000
Because we probably don't want it happening simultaneously with the project, but the curb stop will be there be easy for them to continue.

01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:37.000
Just want to make sure that they're all aware so that they can start making those connections and we can produce a little bit of water revenue off of those areas.

01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:43.000
We haven't done it, but I know the town chairman has gone door door to court to inform everyone.

01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:44.000
All right.

01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:45.000
Good.

01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:46.000
All right.

01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:50.000
Any other comments or questions?

01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:51.000
All right.

01:48:51.000 --> 01:48:52.000
Thank you.

01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:53.000
Thank you.

01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:57.000
All right.

01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:01.000
That brings us to item 14.

01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:08.000
Review proposed projects under consideration for inclusion in the 10 year capital improvement plan.

01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:09.000
Rob.

01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:10.000
Sure.

01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:11.000
Okay.

01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:12.000
So I will present.

01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:14.000
I can do it versus air media.

01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:19.000
I just need the number.

01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:37.000
So if you go to that.

01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:44.000
The disconnect is in the middle right in the middle of that little box to the right to the right to the right to the right a little more right.

01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:51.000
There you go.

01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:54.000
Okay.

01:49:54.000 --> 01:50:02.000
So I do not apologize.

01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:15.000
I do not have a handout and I want to preface this by saying, you know, the finance director.

01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:23.000
Essentially directed me to bring this to the Board of Public Works in July.

01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:28.000
I wanted to bring it in June and July so that we got.

01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:34.000
Information out in some conversation with the board about what priority projects are for the city.

01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:38.000
So I have a list that we have our 10 year CIP.

01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:39.000
This is very rough.

01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:41.000
This is a very this is a rough cut.

01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:43.000
The first take at it.

01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:49.000
This is the 10 again, 10 year capital improvement project schedule.

01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:58.000
And again, the purpose is I just want to make you aware of what is on our list for those 10 years.

01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:02.000
We have a number of the projects that you'll see tonight.

01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:04.000
Scheduled for 2027.

01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:06.000
That doesn't mean that's where they're going to land.

01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:08.000
All right.

01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:12.000
So, but it's easier to push a project back then to move it forward.

01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:15.000
And so I'm going to go through this.

01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:17.000
Feel free to interrupt me and ask questions.

01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:23.000
But otherwise at the end, we can have more conversation about again.

01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:34.000
It's good to hear feedback about we, you know, we of course knows about projects that are priority projects for the city in terms of providing essential services.

01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:40.000
You know, we need to hear back from you about, you know, some of the other some projects and what.

01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:44.000
You know, what are the projects that excite, excite the board, right?

01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:46.000
So that and the council.

01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:50.000
So the schedule for this is so we'll talk about it tonight.

01:51:50.000 --> 01:52:03.000
We'll talk about it at our July meeting and we'll vote on it at the July meeting and then it'll go to council on August 4th for approval by council.

01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:08.000
And so with that, I will just launch into it again.

01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:12.000
You know, it's been a long meeting, so I'm not going to spend a ton of time on this.

01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:16.000
I've been working on it to try and make it a better presentation.

01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:20.000
But in any case, felt felt short of the time.

01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:23.000
So again, this is a this is a rough cut.

01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:27.000
I'll include a touch on a little bit while we're doing in 26.

01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:32.000
Sometimes they do relate to 27 like our first project.

01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:38.000
But when you see this in July, it'll just be from 2027 to 2036.

01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:43.000
So starting with our road projects.

01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:44.000
All right.

01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:46.000
Everything everyone can see that. Okay.

01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:47.000
I apologize.

01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:50.000
They don't normally wear a little bigger.

01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:52.000
Yeah, there's no problem.

01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:54.000
Normally don't wear glasses.

01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:55.000
So these.

01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:58.000
Had a little eye problems lately.

01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:01.000
So, yeah.

01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:03.000
Okay. All right, super.

01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:04.000
All right.

01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:07.000
So starting with Holden Street and.

01:53:09.000 --> 01:53:10.000
Yeah.

01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:23.000
So these are sexually the sections of Holden Street that are currently in the design phase from orchard lane up to Walters.

01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:27.000
We are we are going to wind up.

01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:42.000
Surfacing the second resurfacing the section here, but this is getting rebuilt in what's blue resurfacing this section in front of the middle school and then all the way up to Barry.

01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:50.000
That is under design and that is scheduled for construction next year.

01:53:51.000 --> 01:54:05.000
That we're pretty much locked into, but then we do have a DOT grant paying about 25% of that $400,000 is noted there and will be happy to complete that arterial Washington Street.

01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:10.000
This is the this is the section between Franklin Street and Lake Lake Street.

01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:19.000
This in front of inventors and so some of the things that will be coming to the board with later this year is.

01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:21.000
Some ideas for streetscaping.

01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:33.000
So this isn't this isn't Franklin Street, but it is part of our downtown and we want to not only make it functional, but make it attractive place for.

01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:40.000
Our residents and visitors is Holden, including water main replacement and sanitary sewer lining.

01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:41.000
Yes.

01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:42.000
Yes.

01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:43.000
Yes.

01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:44.000
Okay.

01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:48.000
Isn't the southern half of Holden's already PVC.

01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:50.000
Yes.

01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:51.000
Yes.

01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:53.000
So, so that that we're not replacing.

01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:54.000
Yeah.

01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:55.000
What's PVC where not.

01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:56.000
We're not.

01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:57.000
Okay.

01:54:57.000 --> 01:54:58.000
Yeah.

01:54:58.000 --> 01:54:59.000
All right.

01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:00.000
Just.

01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:01.000
Yes.

01:55:01.000 --> 01:55:02.000
Just the cast iron or duct.

01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:04.000
Whatever is not PVC will be replaced.

01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:05.000
All the.

01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:07.000
PVC will stay in place.

01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:15.000
And so we'll be lining the mains and we are looking at either replacing.

01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:21.000
Sewer laterals up to the property line or possibly.

01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:27.000
Doing a grounding of them because we're finding that we're getting.

01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:29.000
Too much inflow from our.

01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:32.000
I should say infiltration from the.

01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:34.000
From the sewer laterals.

01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:36.000
All right.

01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:41.000
The same thing for Washington will replace the block that has.

01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:44.000
One block has.

01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:45.000
Duck line pipe.

01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:47.000
The other block has.

01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:48.000
Is PVC.

01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:50.000
So we're.

01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:52.000
Be replacing the iron pipe.

01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:54.000
And not to be difficult with it.

01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:56.000
But for next month.

01:55:56.000 --> 01:56:00.000
Could you have the breakdown as to what my other costs then is.

01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:03.000
For water and sewer utility also with it.

01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:05.000
Those are in different.

01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:06.000
Well, those are different.

01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:07.000
Okay.

01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:08.000
Okay.

01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:09.000
This is just the road.

01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:10.000
Okay.

01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:13.000
So you didn't think that was enough money is what you're.

01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:14.000
Is what you're driving at.

01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:16.000
I know it was enough for not.

01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:18.000
I know that wouldn't be enough.

01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:19.000
Okay.

01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:20.000
Yeah.

01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:21.000
Yes.

01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:24.000
Downtown streetlight replacement.

01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:27.000
This is under design.

01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:31.000
We're doing some budget refinement on this.

01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:32.000
But let's see.

01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:33.000
This too.

01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:34.000
So all these.

01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:36.000
All these squares.

01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:37.000
These are.

01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:41.000
Street lights that'll be replaced, but ignore what's in the.

01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:42.000
Marina parking lot.

01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:45.000
This does not include the marina parking lot.

01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:48.000
That would be a separate project for another day.

01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:50.000
Alley projects.

01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:52.000
We've identified.

01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:54.000
Oops.

01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:59.000
So we have this little map.

01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:03.000
This will be included in the budget, which has an alley condition rating.

01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:06.000
You know, overall are.

01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:09.000
You know, our overall.

01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:10.000
Alley condition.

01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:11.000
Pretty.

01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:13.000
There's a pretty good.

01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:15.000
Distribution between rebuild.

01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:16.000
Poor.

01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:17.000
Okay.

01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:18.000
Good new.

01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:21.000
We are focusing on these.

01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:22.000
Two southern ones.

01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:23.000
Right.

01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:24.000
Roger.

01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:25.000
And.

01:57:25.000 --> 01:57:28.000
Possibly one more or two more.

01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:30.000
Up in the north.

01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:31.000
This one here.

01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:32.000
Yes.

01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:33.000
Okay.

01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:34.000
So the.

01:57:34.000 --> 01:57:35.000
Oh, yeah.

01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:36.000
That's right.

01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:37.000
Behind Millen Street.

01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:38.000
By Woodland.

01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:39.000
Right.

01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:43.000
And possibly who we hope to do one up near Cleveland street.

01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:48.000
If there's favorable bidding, but I'm not holding my breath.

01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:52.000
Did we ever come up with a solution for the Laraby street?

01:57:52.000 --> 01:58:00.000
Alley considering that it's very much outside of the right away.

01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:01.000
Or significant portions of it.

01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:03.000
I should see her outside the right way.

01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:04.000
It's right.

01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:05.000
We're.

01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:07.000
That one's going to take a little bit more work.

01:58:07.000 --> 01:58:08.000
Okay.

01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:09.000
Yeah.

01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:12.000
So we're very unlikely that we'll be doing anything with it this year.

01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:13.000
All right.

01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:16.000
General sidewalk projects were in the.

01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:18.000
We're just beginning our.

01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.000
What is actually money from 2025.

01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:22.000
That was pushed over to 2026.

01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:26.000
And in the process of doing survey work for our 26 project.

01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:30.000
But again, this isn't every every year project sidewalk.

01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:37.000
Of course needs to be replaced every year to keep up with.

01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:40.000
Eliminating trip hazards.

01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:42.000
Future street projects.

01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:46.000
I'm not going to take the time to go through all of them, but this is.

01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:47.000
See if I can.

01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:50.000
And I'll have to shrink this down here for a moment.

01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:54.000
To be able to see it, but this is where we.

01:58:55.000 --> 01:59:00.000
Have projected right now these various street improvements.

01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:07.000
But these are subject to change based on experiences we have with replacing water mains.

01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:13.000
Street deterioration sometimes accelerates.

01:59:13.000 --> 01:59:17.000
These are in really, I think.

01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:23.000
Maybe it's no coincidence, but they do correlate really well to.

01:59:23.000 --> 01:59:28.000
The street condition in the presence of lead laterals coincide.

01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:29.000
So.

01:59:29.000 --> 01:59:33.000
So every street that's going to have to be torn up for.

01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:36.000
Lead service lateral replacement.

01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:39.000
Is it is a street that's.

01:59:39.000 --> 01:59:43.000
In poor condition anyway, so we're not tearing up any.

01:59:43.000 --> 01:59:47.000
Newer streets for for our lead lateral replacement.

01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:49.000
And conversely, they just bought.

01:59:49.000 --> 01:59:51.000
Well, I shouldn't say that we do have.

01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:54.000
We do have streets in our poor condition that don't have lead laterals, but.

01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:57.000
We're prioritizing those first.

01:59:57.000 --> 02:00:04.000
Okay, and they'll get us bigger again.

02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:07.000
Okay.

02:00:07.000 --> 02:00:09.000
Okay.

02:00:10.000 --> 02:00:11.000
This is off.

02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:17.000
So, and because this is expanded, you can't see this D column is is the current year 2026.

02:00:17.000 --> 02:00:19.000
He is 2027.

02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:22.000
He's 2028 and so on.

02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:24.000
So just.

02:00:24.000 --> 02:00:29.000
This is a section of sock road that's.

02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:32.000
Essentially West of.

02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:35.000
Yeah, West of Newport Vista on the sock road.

02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:38.000
There's three or four.

02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:41.000
Jurisdictions.

02:00:41.000 --> 02:00:42.000
Four.

02:00:42.000 --> 02:00:43.000
Yes, I thought.

02:00:43.000 --> 02:00:44.000
So there's four.

02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:46.000
There's four taxing jurisdictions.

02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:47.000
So we're dividing the cost.

02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:52.000
That's why that $150,000 is ended for our portion of it.

02:00:52.000 --> 02:00:55.000
That highway 33 grand Avenue.

02:00:55.000 --> 02:00:57.000
That's not the project that's that's happening.

02:00:57.000 --> 02:00:59.000
That's beginning next week.

02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:02.000
That's currently scheduled for 2034.

02:01:02.000 --> 02:01:07.000
That's a complete reconstruction of grand Avenue all the way from tower and summit down to Franklin street.

02:01:08.000 --> 02:01:15.000
And when we do that project, we can incorporate, hopefully, none of the number of the elements from the downtown plan.

02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:17.000
So we're keeping that on the radar.

02:01:17.000 --> 02:01:18.000
But.

02:01:18.000 --> 02:01:24.000
Right now, I think we have a budget number in there of $2.2 million, but we don't have an SMA yet.

02:01:24.000 --> 02:01:27.000
That's a statement is full agreement with the DOT.

02:01:27.000 --> 02:01:28.000
So I can't.

02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:30.000
I don't have.

02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:32.000
I don't have a lot of information on it.

02:01:32.000 --> 02:01:36.000
But again, it's we're looking at eight or nine years out.

02:01:37.000 --> 02:01:42.000
We talked last week about the last month about the inner urban trail railroad underpass.

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And that has been submitted to the federal highway administration.

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And so we're keeping our fingers crossed that we do get that grant.

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And right now we have that in 2028, 2029.

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Again, that is we are we as staff are looking at that as a grant dependent project so that if the grant goes away,

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the project goes away unless the board and the council would put it back in the budget.

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That first item of highway 33 crossover, it's Sweetwater Drive.

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So when was that resurfaces the highway this year, they will be putting in a left hand turn lane to go north into the future.

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Extension of Sweetwater south of highway 33 for development of the Shannon farm.

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Roger alluded to earlier.

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We're also working on.

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We have money in the budget this year for improvements to meet our TMDL as Aaron was talking about before.

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So it all kind of ties in traffic signal upgrades.

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So we upgraded that.

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So we only have three traffic signals in the whole city.

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So we improved the one here at the intersection downtown.

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And so we're going to improve Spring Street and the intersection at LL on 32 this year with that money.

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And traffic safety has some budget and amounts for next year for safety improvements at.

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Interurban trail crossings.

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I won't get into it.

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I'm going to be looking at the

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project expansion and renovation.

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As many of you know, we have a.

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We established impact fees this year to fund design and construction of garage expansion renovation for the street department and.

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The parks.

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Parks department.

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And right now I have that plugged in is 2027 and 2028.

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But again, this is the don't.

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That that could well shift and it's going to tie into.

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I'm likely going to be coming back with the proposal to do.

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A study on how that meshes with our water treatment plant.

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Field operations because they are looking for a new home after.

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They're much of their space was taken by.

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The plant renovations. So we had looked at expanding the footprint of the water utility building.

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We decided not to do that. So we're going to go in a different location.

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So whether or not that pairs with the street department garage, we've yet to.

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Closely study what is in our best interest.

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But in either case, we are looking at street department improvements.

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City Hall.

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City Hall, the library and senior center.

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I'll need some HVAC improvements. So I've kind of it's a they're all working well, but.

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Also nearing the end of their life. And so it's a little bit of a.

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Guessing game is to, you know, how long.

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We can rely on them, but I have that scheduled out for 2029.

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Boiler replacements is beyond that.

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Generated the generator for this building.

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Really doesn't do a lot other than light a few outlets in the.

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And the finance director's office. And so we are looking at.

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Increasing the size of that and its ability to power the building in case there would be a.

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And a long term outage.

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Going to the fire alarm panel is this is from our facility condition assessment.

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That's beyond its useful life. And so we have that programmed in.

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I skipped over the plumbing and city hall.

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Some of it is pretty poor and we've had to do some replacements.

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And so we're we're looking out again in like 2029 to replace all the plumbing.

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I'm going to take I took this one. I'm going to take that one out. That is going to go in a different section, but.

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Maybe it's worth noting that it's possible that we might need to make some maybe improvements as we've had some difficulties at the end of the night, but that's again, that is not.

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Part of the.

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Public works.

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Budget.

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All right, we'll skip over recreation. John will cover that with the park and rec.

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As well as the senior center, although I'll just I will note since I'm maintaining the facilities.

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We do have the sandstone.

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At the front entrance resetting that and windows and tuck pointing. I have that currently in the budget for next year.

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HVC HVAC out a little further, but again, that can all these things can can move as we go through the budget.

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Library don't have anything scheduled for for next year, but again, still being evaluated.

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Valley Creek.

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Again, I don't know if this project is going to begin in 2027. A lot of it is grand dependent, even though we have funding in the TID.

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And in terms of.

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There's there's only certain times we can work in the creek because of.

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Fish movements and so whether or not this is a project that begins in 2027 or 2028 is still to be determined.

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But.

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And.

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Given that our intent at least at this point is to.

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We are hopefully going to come back with that $5 million grant from national fish and wildlife coastal resiliency fund.

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And then apply for presumably another $5 million in the following year.

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Partly Park the only well, there's two items I want to.

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Well, I guess more than two. So the items. I'm not going to focus on the bathrooms that parks and rack, but moving the.

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Moving the road.

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You know, that's something I guess I want to get a feel from this board on.

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You know, tell me right now, but on how.

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We would like to.

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What urgency we would want to give that project. So we've talked about moving the road. Of course, we moved it on a temporary measure to.

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In response to the bluff erosion, but we've we've talked about.

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Realigning that street on the west side of the park so that it's no longer in danger of being eroded and having a.

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A walkway system so that that pedestrians and bicyclists don't have to be on the road.

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And the.

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And the lighting up there is we energies lighting and they've been telling me for years that it's failing. And so anytime a light goes out.

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It essentially gets taken off the taking off the grid. And so there are some lights out there that are.

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Not lit and will not be lit. And so they're eventually we're going to have to replace that system either with the new.

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We energy system or our own system. So I put in a placeholder.

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For that as well. Again, I'm showing 2027 design 2028 construction, but as you'll see as we go through this, we have a lot of things.

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And the budget for 2027 and.

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Really only me and Roger. And so there's a little bit of capacity issue that we have to address to make sure that we give these into these projects, the.

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The tension that they need.

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And then lastly here in the yellow is the grant we just talked about the.

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So go grant that is a grant that we have been awarded and that is the upper lake park.

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Essentially prayer restoration and stormwater management and that that ties into the current.

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Court plan.

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Comprehensive outdoor recreation plan shows shows these improvements in it. And so though.

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Those things align.

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I'll just know John has 10. This is from the facility condition assessment recommendations that we do a swimming pool study. So John has that in his budget.

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He's a number of projects over the next.

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Well, this year next year for his parks.

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Pebble House rehabilitation that is budgeted for this year. I'll be honest, we have not gotten started on that.

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Yet.

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The judge Eggert House.

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General repairs is underway and we are working with them also on roof.

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Replacement. So we had that.

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With the roof scheduled out of a few years initially, but I believe that's going to be accomplished this year.

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Late House generator.

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Actually called me about that today. We have yet to speak.

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Streets division has a number of.

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You know, we're on a rotating basis with our.

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Working with our finance director on equipment and.

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And vehicles and so this is reflected.

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On these line items here.

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All right, so we're televising, we're televising about eight miles every year.

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We're lining about two miles every year.

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These the sewer laterals, those align with our street improvement projects where we're going to.

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I never do improve the private laterals. We haven't done that in the past, but we're again, getting so much infiltration from the laterals that we feel that.

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Now is the time to address that when we're reconstructing.

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Our older streets.

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This is just a street overflow man hall that's.

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Long held project that we're hopefully finally going to complete this year.

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And moving on to this is.

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So on mineral Springs Creek, we have.

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Two crossings where the pipe was once under the creek and it is now going through the creek.

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So we want to protect those pipes from from damage of.

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Bolders or whatnot coming down the creek and.

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Naturally, we don't want our sanitary sewers on the surface of the.

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On the on the surface and so we are working with the.

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County to get those buried and.

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So we're in the design phase this year and we would like to have the improvements constructed next year again.

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This is that is a project of some urgency.

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The remote site septage receiving station.

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I'm sorry, don't have any pictures, but.

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But this is where all our haulers come to bring in outside waste, whether it's Port of John or trailer park or.

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Other ways that are brought in.

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It's a revenue generator for the wastewater plant, but it's a bit outdated in that much of it is pretty much on the honor system out there.

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And so this board has already improved the approve the.

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Design of modifications to the plan to essentially.

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Modernize it, make it more secure and make it.

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Unreliant on the honor system and includes a sampling sampling system.

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So we know the strength of the waste and monitors the amount of waste that they're.

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Putting into the receiving station. This $1.2 million.

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Dan assures me that this is.

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That's just a placeholder seat.

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I think you're going to anticipate that number coming down quite a bit.

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Moving forward.

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We're maintaining the equipment in our lift stations and so Dan has that spread out over the next three years.

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Waste water treatment plan.

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Is.

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The the EFS so that's the EFS that's the coating is kind of like a stucco that's on the on the building.

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I think is on the it's adhered to the original brick.

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So that's failing in a number of areas and in the paint.

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See if I.

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It's not looking super sharp over there and so we are looking to.

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Prove the appearance of the plant and improve security down there.

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And so Dan has a placeholder for.

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For that work.

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The gravity belt thickeners need to be rebuilt.

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And if you're wondering what a gravity belt thickener looks like, there it is.

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And so this we have to do these thickeners that again.

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We need that redundancy and we need them need them to be.

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Operational and so we have money budgeted over the next two years to rebuild those.

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Some other items maintaining the equipment of the wastewater treatment plant.

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And then the future replacement of our emergent.

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Our mobile emergency generator and our mobile emergency trash pump.

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So if we have a failed sewer, we need to make sure that we can bypass pump quickly.

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Utility truck and crane, which will assist us in.

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Maintaining our pumps, which we're currently not.

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Are not being maintained to the.

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To the extent that we.

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Yeah, it's what.

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No, but they're not.

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They still are they pulling them every month.

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Yeah, so it's currently being contracted.

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But again, we would elevate the level of service that they would get if we would have the equipment that could assist us in that work.

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Marina projects, North building renovation.

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This is this is a project that was originally.

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Included in this year's budget for design of improvements to enclose the breeze way.

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It sent separates the bathrooms from the lounge area and kind of the picnic area and would.

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Cover the picnic area with something a little more permanent than a tent.

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And so that that is currently been moved to 2027 and 2028.

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The windows and doors need to be replaced at the Marina control building.

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So again, that does not come out of the general fund.

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That is all out of Marina reserves, which is fully paid for by the Marina tenants.

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I resurfaced seeing the parking lot. We have out to 2029, but that's something, you know, I was.

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Thinking about again, as Aaron was talking, Aaron.

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I was talking about earlier that ways that we can meet the Northeast TMDL and that's something that we did.

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That we'll be strongly looking at to see what effect that could have on meeting those.

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Stormwater quality goals by perhaps.

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Instituting some green or including some green infrastructure under the Marina parking lot.

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So that's something again, we have concept plan or schematic engineering.

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There's command occurs that are we at 60% sorry to put you on the spot.

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Yeah, it is schematic. So that's 30% design of parking lot improvements that was funded by through a grant.

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And that work was done by Edgewater, but we have yet to implement that.

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So we have that we have that kicked out a little bit.

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Ultimately, the Marina would like to replace their fixed peers and the West.

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I'm sorry, the North slip with floating docks, but that does have an effect on their.

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The amount of docs that are available. And so that's something that is.

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Currently being scheduled for 2030.

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And dredging is out, I think about 10 years.

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And then the Marina parking lot lights as we're going through our.

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That street light project are consultant noted that.

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That they are.

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In rough shape down there, and so that may be something we need to address as early as 2029.

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Water main project. So we have Holden Street and Washington Street that we talked about future water main projects associated with all those other street improvements.

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Same thing for Grand Grand Avenue. That's programmed out for 2034.

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In 2026, we'd like to.

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Implement SCADA and electrical improvements to our Thomas tower so that we have better control from the plant.

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Of what's going on at the tower so that they essentially communicate better.

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We also want to install a mixer in the Thomas tower because we have problems with icing and water quality that we'd like that.

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We feel could be improved by that.

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And then doing the same thing at the West tower and mineral Springs tower in the future.

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A PRV is a pressure reducing valve that needs to be replaced on hails trails.

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So we have that schedule for this year.

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Yeah, done. I thought it was done. All right. And Woodland Avenue scheduled for next year.

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Let lateral replacement again. That is something we have a 13 year window to complete. And so we have.

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This we have that essentially budgeted.

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Through the next 10 years to replace lead laterals and to special assess.

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Properties, but that will be going to GGF at the July 7th meeting. I do believe.

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Water plant roof replacement that was when that was installed about.

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15 years ago at a 20 year life and so right at around year 20 is where we have it.

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Budgeted for replacement.

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We've talked at this board before about a service driveway to the generator which we may recall we installed the generator on the north side of the.

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Water treatment plant rather than putting it on.

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Then adding what amounted to was a portion of a second story to the.

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To the where we have the nuclear well building.

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We felt this was kind of a win win. The neighbors across the street were happy that the building had a lower profile and.

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And it also opened up more room for us in the new.

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In the new building so.

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East path restoration so I have an image of that as well I can share so.

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Dan has some ideas to improve that the.

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Appearance and functionality of this important piece of our lakefront walkway.

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So I have some money budgeted.

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For that.

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Replacement of the water utility.

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The water utility wants to replace its 2002 back loader backhoe.

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And purchase an aerial lift.

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Truck and equipment and a floor scrubber for the new building.

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So these are other pending items that these are essentially.

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Various projects I guess.

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And so I've included in here I guess I want to highlight.

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Cellular tower construction so we are considering taking our antennas off of the.

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Water towers we only have well we have none the north tower in the west tower.

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And putting them on stand alone poles because.

02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:34.000
Of us to eliminate security concerns and also.

02:23:34.000 --> 02:23:39.000
You know these these antennas can damage the.

02:23:39.000 --> 02:23:41.000
Water tower and.

02:23:41.000 --> 02:23:45.000
They create a problem for maintenance of the tower and so.

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So if we take.

02:23:48.000 --> 02:23:50.000
Antennas off of the.

02:23:50.000 --> 02:23:53.000
Water towers we are.

02:23:53.000 --> 02:23:58.000
Looking at the possibility of constructing a pole onto which those could be.

02:23:58.000 --> 02:24:01.000
Adhered and then the revenue would.

02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:05.000
Would come to the city rather than the water utility.

02:24:05.000 --> 02:24:09.000
But that is that's that project has not been.

02:24:09.000 --> 02:24:10.000
Brought to.

02:24:10.000 --> 02:24:14.000
Any committee so far so but that is something where.

02:24:15.000 --> 02:24:20.000
Anticipating to happen soon because we do need to paint the.

02:24:20.000 --> 02:24:25.000
Thomas tower was actually originally scheduled for this year and it was put off.

02:24:25.000 --> 02:24:32.000
Because of concerns with the antennas that are on it.

02:24:32.000 --> 02:24:35.000
This has been on for a while the county trunk L.

02:24:36.000 --> 02:24:38.000
Sidewalk.

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Sunset bike trail so that.

02:24:41.000 --> 02:24:44.000
That is the section of.

02:24:44.000 --> 02:24:48.000
Bike trail that's I would say missing between sunset.

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And.

02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:54.000
The inner urban trail on the west side of L L.

02:24:54.000 --> 02:24:57.000
Sorry I don't have a picture but if you can picture clean test.

02:24:57.000 --> 02:25:02.000
Running alongside L on again on the west side of L L between.

02:25:03.000 --> 02:25:08.000
Sunset in the inner urban trail I think that's been a segment that's been missing for.

02:25:08.000 --> 02:25:10.000
Quite some time with.

02:25:10.000 --> 02:25:12.000
Our development in a west of L. L. so that.

02:25:12.000 --> 02:25:14.000
Ultimately they can.

02:25:14.000 --> 02:25:17.000
Go southbound on the trail without having to travel.

02:25:17.000 --> 02:25:21.000
East down to the bike trail on sunset and then.

02:25:21.000 --> 02:25:25.000
Backtracking and then having to cross L. L. twice.

02:25:25.000 --> 02:25:26.000
Wouldn't that.

02:25:27.000 --> 02:25:29.000
Wouldn't that make sense to include with.

02:25:29.000 --> 02:25:32.000
As part of the sunset and L. L. intersection.

02:25:32.000 --> 02:25:35.000
Save a separate project.

02:25:35.000 --> 02:25:38.000
I think so but.

02:25:38.000 --> 02:25:40.000
The county is.

02:25:40.000 --> 02:25:43.000
Just a way to say I want to make sure.

02:25:43.000 --> 02:25:45.000
Include it with which project.

02:25:45.000 --> 02:25:47.000
So just down to.

02:25:47.000 --> 02:25:49.000
Sunset and L. L. intersection.

02:25:49.000 --> 02:25:51.000
And you have the sunset.

02:25:52.000 --> 02:25:54.000
The bike trail the sunset.

02:25:54.000 --> 02:25:56.000
Sidewalk the year prior.

02:25:56.000 --> 02:26:00.000
And it almost seems like if the intersections going forward it would make sense to.

02:26:00.000 --> 02:26:04.000
Bump that back a year and include those together.

02:26:04.000 --> 02:26:07.000
Right so that I mean that's a project that.

02:26:07.000 --> 02:26:12.000
Really hasn't been talked about beyond traffic safety and so.

02:26:12.000 --> 02:26:17.000
So some of these are some of these are placeholders for.

02:26:18.000 --> 02:26:21.000
Projects that may happen but have not been yet approved.

02:26:21.000 --> 02:26:25.000
And that's part of that I guess that's.

02:26:25.000 --> 02:26:27.000
Part of the discussion I.

02:26:27.000 --> 02:26:34.000
That I value coming out of this so that these are some of the ideas that are being talked about and.

02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:40.000
In other committees like traffic safety and and whether or not this so this is something as we know there's.

02:26:41.000 --> 02:26:44.000
Well some people may not know.

02:26:44.000 --> 02:26:51.000
So the intersection in the city that has the most traffic accidents is L. L. and sunset and so.

02:26:51.000 --> 02:26:58.000
We've been looking at ways to improve that intersection over the years and I think we have improved that intersection over the years.

02:26:58.000 --> 02:27:02.000
But but accidents continue to happen.

02:27:02.000 --> 02:27:09.000
And traffic safety has talked about the possibility of constructing around about at that intersection.

02:27:10.000 --> 02:27:12.000
We have talked with.

02:27:12.000 --> 02:27:17.000
We've reached out to the DOT for a.

02:27:17.000 --> 02:27:20.000
His up grant.

02:27:20.000 --> 02:27:24.000
I weigh safety improvement program and.

02:27:24.000 --> 02:27:29.000
So far I haven't gotten any way but anywhere with it but have not given up on.

02:27:29.000 --> 02:27:32.000
I'm trying to get money to.

02:27:32.000 --> 02:27:37.000
To make some more significant improvements that intersection but.

02:27:37.000 --> 02:27:41.000
Honestly if you if you ask me the.

02:27:41.000 --> 02:27:48.000
The sidewalk on L. L. from sunset to the bike trail is long overdue.

02:27:48.000 --> 02:27:52.000
I would say but right right now we haven't scheduled out for twenty twenty.

02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:56.000
Eight and again that's something that could move in either direction.

02:27:56.000 --> 02:28:00.000
And really the same thing to could be said.

02:28:01.000 --> 02:28:11.000
From an L. L. on both sides of L. L. from Aster Street which is the woods at White Pine intersection down to where the sidewalk terminates the reason.

02:28:11.000 --> 02:28:18.000
That's the reason that hasn't been built well one is because it's only urbanized.

02:28:18.000 --> 02:28:22.000
To about halfway between.

02:28:22.000 --> 02:28:26.000
Grand Avenue and Aster Street but.

02:28:27.000 --> 02:28:30.000
It's a lot trickier is I'm sure you know Mike.

02:28:30.000 --> 02:28:35.000
To put sidewalk there because the side slopes of the highway are so so steep.

02:28:35.000 --> 02:28:38.000
There is adequate room.

02:28:38.000 --> 02:28:41.000
There's there's plenty of flat area between.

02:28:41.000 --> 02:28:46.000
Sunset and the bike trail to build that other section so it'd be a lot.

02:28:46.000 --> 02:28:50.000
And it's only one side of the street on that.

02:28:50.000 --> 02:28:55.000
Stretch so but these are two I think you know very these would be well appreciated by the people and.

02:28:55.000 --> 02:29:07.000
Greystone and then woods at White Pine and so it's again been an issue of money and just staff capacity to build these improvements.

02:29:07.000 --> 02:29:12.000
Robert oh yeah are you able to share this out with the board so we can.

02:29:12.000 --> 02:29:14.000
Deep deep dive a little bit more.

02:29:14.000 --> 02:29:19.000
Yeah I can let me clean it up and I'll get it back to.

02:29:20.000 --> 02:29:22.000
Yeah I can get out to everyone.

02:29:22.000 --> 02:29:27.000
I'll get it out to everyone well before the next meeting.

02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:35.000
You know the same thing goes for Spring Street and Garfield box culverts at one.

02:29:35.000 --> 02:29:43.000
So the Spring Street and Boxfield Garfield box culverts for those of you who have not been on the board for a while or for a long time.

02:29:44.000 --> 02:29:45.000
This is.

02:29:47.000 --> 02:29:57.000
Had been part of a recommendation when when Stantec did an evaluation of the watershed that essentially.

02:29:57.000 --> 02:30:01.000
Carries and what's really an unnamed Creek.

02:30:01.000 --> 02:30:09.000
I'll call it that we call it the spinnaker the spinnaker layer be Creek that comes through.

02:30:10.000 --> 02:30:22.000
Spinnaker West and flows along underneath Larry B Street for a portion and then behind the houses that are on the north side of Larry B Street.

02:30:22.000 --> 02:30:29.000
Underneath Spring Street through clean test and down through the street department garage and out to.

02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:35.000
And so when we've had and and so we made.

02:30:35.000 --> 02:30:46.000
Huge improvement to it by improving the stormwater ponds that are in spinnaker West and we did that with a grant from the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation.

02:30:46.000 --> 02:30:51.000
Just like we're doing with Valley Creek and so.

02:30:51.000 --> 02:30:56.000
That is something I have not given up on in terms of getting funded so.

02:30:57.000 --> 02:31:06.000
We're we're our focus right now is on Valley Creek because of course that has even more significant issues and is a little.

02:31:06.000 --> 02:31:19.000
It's it's a little less complicated than the I'll call the spinnaker layer be Creek because as Michael alluded to we own all the property.

02:31:20.000 --> 02:31:24.000
That that Creek is in.

02:31:24.000 --> 02:31:28.000
And so that's a little bit of a lighter lift even though it's a huge project.

02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:36.000
The Spring Street and Garfield project is a little bit more complicated but I've not given up on.

02:31:36.000 --> 02:31:42.000
A more holistic approach to that rather than just building large box culverts.

02:31:42.000 --> 02:31:47.000
That essentially serve will serve to.

02:31:47.000 --> 02:31:55.000
Reduce the threat of flooding to five or six homes that have exposed basements in that area.

02:31:55.000 --> 02:31:59.000
So something again that's going.

02:31:59.000 --> 02:32:04.000
I feel that working with stand tech we can probably.

02:32:04.000 --> 02:32:13.000
Have a legitimate opportunity to obtain some grant monies for things for green infrastructure for Creek stream day lighting.

02:32:13.000 --> 02:32:15.000
For.

02:32:15.000 --> 02:32:20.000
These regenerative stormwater conveyance systems.

02:32:20.000 --> 02:32:25.000
But we just haven't we haven't got to that point yet so I mean.

02:32:25.000 --> 02:32:31.000
So the city will have the choice to either you know move ahead and with.

02:32:31.000 --> 02:32:35.000
So the city will have the choice to do that.

02:32:35.000 --> 02:32:39.000
So we're installing the box culverts that will convey the water out of these.

02:32:39.000 --> 02:32:41.000
Out of that area.

02:32:41.000 --> 02:32:44.000
More quickly or.

02:32:44.000 --> 02:32:49.000
Take the time necessary in order to make it again part of a bigger project.

02:32:49.000 --> 02:32:54.000
So these are all things that are ongoing.

02:32:55.000 --> 02:33:00.000
We've down here beach revetment nourishment bluff stabilization currently that's.

02:33:00.000 --> 02:33:03.000
Sitting out at the year.

02:33:03.000 --> 02:33:05.000
Twenty thirty.

02:33:05.000 --> 02:33:08.000
Nine sorry twenty nine.

02:33:08.000 --> 02:33:14.000
So again is that something you know that's a big price tag is that something that.

02:33:14.000 --> 02:33:17.000
Of course it's we.

02:33:18.000 --> 02:33:23.000
We will know more when we complete our wastewater treatment plant.

02:33:23.000 --> 02:33:28.000
Facilities evaluation this by the end of this year.

02:33:28.000 --> 02:33:34.000
We will know more about what we need to stabilize in order to facilitate.

02:33:34.000 --> 02:33:41.000
Further expansion of the plan but that bluff stabilization would allow the city to.

02:33:42.000 --> 02:33:47.000
You know essentially create a greater connection between the park and the beach and.

02:33:47.000 --> 02:33:52.000
And greatly reduce you know the risk of blood slot.

02:33:52.000 --> 02:33:56.000
Bluff slides like we had earlier this year.

02:33:56.000 --> 02:34:02.000
And then I'm not going to go through this but these are all the downtown unless you want me to.

02:34:02.000 --> 02:34:07.000
All the downtown plan items are kind of hanging out in that.

02:34:08.000 --> 02:34:12.000
Right now again they're at like twenty twenty eight but none of these.

02:34:12.000 --> 02:34:17.000
Have been approved as standalone projects and then I have.

02:34:17.000 --> 02:34:20.000
We have not gone deeper on the.

02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:22.000
TIFF projects.

02:34:22.000 --> 02:34:30.000
But beyond what you saw tonight and what we had previously presented to the board kind of giving an outline of that.

02:34:30.000 --> 02:34:36.000
Of the more imminent projects that are included in the TIFF.

02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:41.000
And that is the 10 year capital plan as.

02:34:41.000 --> 02:34:44.000
As I said the rough the rough cut.

02:34:44.000 --> 02:34:49.000
So I'd be happy to take any questions or.

02:34:49.000 --> 02:34:53.000
Any comments about any of the projects in here again that.

02:34:53.000 --> 02:34:55.000
Excite you that you want to see.

02:34:55.000 --> 02:34:58.000
Celerated that you want to see slow walked.

02:34:58.000 --> 02:35:01.000
I'm just excited about that you presented it to us.

02:35:01.000 --> 02:35:05.000
So I want to thank you for that update during the CIP.

02:35:05.000 --> 02:35:14.000
I realize this may be boring to many but I believe this has been an excellent information to consider for this committee.

02:35:14.000 --> 02:35:21.000
And also for the community as a whole as to what we have down the pipeline what we're looking at why we're looking at it.

02:35:21.000 --> 02:35:25.000
And the steps that it takes to get us to where we want to be.

02:35:26.000 --> 02:35:30.000
Sometimes you know we sit back and we wonder what's going on and.

02:35:30.000 --> 02:35:38.000
At least now we know there is a plan. We know there's other things in the work. So I appreciate that. Thank you.

02:35:38.000 --> 02:35:45.000
I still like to see us get back to annual street projects because we're falling behind.

02:35:45.000 --> 02:35:51.000
Every year that we don't do annual street projects but I know budgetarily that's a challenge.

02:35:52.000 --> 02:35:56.000
I guess I would say yes and no the.

02:35:56.000 --> 02:36:04.000
The projects were the they are every other they're programmed every other year but they're they're essentially twice as big.

02:36:04.000 --> 02:36:11.000
So there's positives and negatives to that. So I mean obviously it takes takes longer.

02:36:11.000 --> 02:36:19.000
It is a larger scale of inconvenience I think but.

02:36:20.000 --> 02:36:27.000
But even at twice as big were we doing the mile and a half of road a year that we really need to keep up.

02:36:27.000 --> 02:36:32.000
It varies but it's.

02:36:32.000 --> 02:36:38.000
Off the top off the top my head I can't answer that question whether or not it's it's.

02:36:38.000 --> 02:36:43.000
What the mileage comes out for each but it does vary.

02:36:43.000 --> 02:36:46.000
It's getting the yeah it's it is close.

02:36:47.000 --> 02:36:52.000
I mean this if we the plan that we have presented will.

02:36:52.000 --> 02:36:55.000
Accomplish the mission of.

02:36:55.000 --> 02:37:00.000
Replacing all the lead lateral lines and take care of our.

02:37:00.000 --> 02:37:03.000
You know we have some areas where we.

02:37:03.000 --> 02:37:05.000
On.

02:37:05.000 --> 02:37:08.000
Mike in your district I think on.

02:37:09.000 --> 02:37:13.000
We had three or four water main breaks this year alone so.

02:37:13.000 --> 02:37:18.000
You know so I think there's some fatigue out there for water main breaks.

02:37:18.000 --> 02:37:21.000
And so again but it does accomplish it.

02:37:21.000 --> 02:37:27.000
It's just it's going to take 10 years and.

02:37:27.000 --> 02:37:30.000
All right any other question.

02:37:30.000 --> 02:37:33.000
I just reiterate what Mary Lou said thanks for presenting it.

02:37:33.000 --> 02:37:36.000
Obviously for me the first time seeing it so.

02:37:36.000 --> 02:37:39.000
Look forward to going into a little more detail.

02:37:39.000 --> 02:37:43.000
Just as an example of something that I've heard people talking about is you know on.

02:37:43.000 --> 02:37:45.000
In my word on port view.

02:37:45.000 --> 02:37:48.000
People kind of whipped down that street pretty fast.

02:37:48.000 --> 02:37:52.000
I see people go 30 or 40 miles an hour down there so.

02:37:52.000 --> 02:37:59.000
There's just one example so like we do something to try to slow traffic down a little bit I don't know if it would be like a four way stop but.

02:37:59.000 --> 02:38:02.000
I don't know if it would be like a four way stop.

02:38:02.000 --> 02:38:05.000
I don't know if it would be like a four way stop.

02:38:05.000 --> 02:38:08.000
Westport and port view.

02:38:08.000 --> 02:38:13.000
For speed bumps or something but.

02:38:13.000 --> 02:38:21.000
And I am excited about the grand dev round about wherever that's going to be.

02:38:21.000 --> 02:38:28.000
I will give one reframe though on the stop signs or that traffic engineer stable stop signs that is stop signs are not.

02:38:28.000 --> 02:38:34.000
The traffic is not as effective as you would hope the stick extra stop signs in.

02:38:34.000 --> 02:38:39.000
Yeah I guess I'll have said this before and I'll.

02:38:39.000 --> 02:38:41.000
Say it again.

02:38:41.000 --> 02:38:44.000
Whenever I'm the most.

02:38:44.000 --> 02:38:49.000
I think in my career as an engineer the most common complaint I get is.

02:38:49.000 --> 02:38:54.000
Traffic is going too fast on our street and we'd like you to do something about it.

02:38:54.000 --> 02:38:57.000
And so it's it's also it's.

02:38:57.000 --> 02:38:59.000
It's.

02:38:59.000 --> 02:39:03.000
Yeah it's frustrating because I want to do something about it but it's it's.

02:39:03.000 --> 02:39:06.000
We can't solve it with.

02:39:06.000 --> 02:39:09.000
Stop signs and speed bumps it.

02:39:09.000 --> 02:39:11.000
It's making the motorist feet.

02:39:11.000 --> 02:39:21.000
So it's making the motorist feel like the speedy is traveling is the appropriate speed for the way the road is constructed.

02:39:21.000 --> 02:39:25.000
So a super wide road makes a person feel.

02:39:25.000 --> 02:39:28.000
Super confident going super fast.

02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:33.000
You know compare that to like an alley right nobody's going 40 miles an hour down an alley.

02:39:33.000 --> 02:39:35.000
They sure shouldn't be right.

02:39:35.000 --> 02:39:41.000
But so you know there's something in between an alley in a freeway right so that's why.

02:39:41.000 --> 02:39:44.000
I've been persistent in.

02:39:45.000 --> 02:39:50.000
Every road construction project we do taking a very close look at.

02:39:50.000 --> 02:39:59.000
If the road is constructed appropriately in Portview when we did that when we reconstructed that we did what we put in all the.

02:39:59.000 --> 02:40:03.000
Bumpouts to at least reduce the crosswalk.

02:40:03.000 --> 02:40:12.000
The crosswalk length for school kids and there are some areas where you know we're trying to use traffic calming but.

02:40:13.000 --> 02:40:16.000
I'm glad you said that because.

02:40:16.000 --> 02:40:21.000
I think it's important to people and anything we can do to slow traffic down is a good.

02:40:21.000 --> 02:40:25.000
Good thing other than stop signs in every corner but.

02:40:25.000 --> 02:40:27.000
I get it.

02:40:27.000 --> 02:40:28.000
Yeah.

02:40:28.000 --> 02:40:31.000
I guess you mentioned doing more rows I know.

02:40:31.000 --> 02:40:35.000
I have also received the comment that people like us to get the alley were.

02:40:36.000 --> 02:40:41.000
So if that's something the board wants to sleep on also.

02:40:41.000 --> 02:40:44.000
All right any other questions or comments.

02:40:44.000 --> 02:40:50.000
All right then we'll move on to item 15 review staff monthly reports.

02:40:50.000 --> 02:40:54.000
All right.

02:40:54.000 --> 02:40:56.000
I have it here.

02:40:56.000 --> 02:40:58.000
I'll just bring it.

02:40:59.000 --> 02:41:02.000
Bring it up and I'll need to bring it a little bigger here.

02:41:02.000 --> 02:41:05.000
I'll just touch on a few.

02:41:05.000 --> 02:41:11.000
Just a few highlights again it's a long meeting but as I mentioned earlier.

02:41:15.000 --> 02:41:23.000
So yeah highway 33 is scheduled to start next week I tell you when this project first.

02:41:23.000 --> 02:41:27.000
Was initiated by the DOT I think it was.

02:41:28.000 --> 02:41:42.000
Four years ago I couldn't believe we were talking about resurfacing highway 33 because we just reconstructed it and 20 completed it in 2013 but the DOT has a more aggressive resurfacing program and they've had in the past.

02:41:42.000 --> 02:41:47.000
But excited for the improvement and it's it's here.

02:41:47.000 --> 02:41:54.000
It's a three month project and they have sent out flyers to neighboring residents.

02:41:54.000 --> 02:42:05.000
And if you've driven down Grand Avenue you've probably seen the big sign that says it's going to be under construction starting next Monday.

02:42:05.000 --> 02:42:23.000
And then just kind of is an informational thing I put in here that the marine sanctuary people are going to be back in in the city they were here last year doing their survey of people who visit and finding out who comes to Port Washington to visit the marine

02:42:23.000 --> 02:42:37.000
sanctuary and there's quite a few and that's good news for him and them and good news for the city too because it brings in tourism dollars and I think a certain energy to the city.

02:42:37.000 --> 02:42:47.000
And then if you've driven down Jackson Street they're well on their way to getting their mural completed and again that's just a great community involvement project.

02:42:48.000 --> 02:42:52.000
North Beach access has been open for a few weeks now.

02:42:52.000 --> 02:42:56.000
The seating and straw matting is down.

02:42:56.000 --> 02:43:02.000
And the beach is open for anyone who was ready to hit the beach supposed to be hot tomorrow.

02:43:02.000 --> 02:43:05.000
Crack filling is already underway.

02:43:05.000 --> 02:43:14.000
Our summer help is here I think in all our departments in fact we were told I think there's 79 seasonal employees hired for this summer.

02:43:14.000 --> 02:43:17.000
So great to have that help.

02:43:17.000 --> 02:43:19.000
We have a new employee.

02:43:19.000 --> 02:43:20.000
We lost the employee.

02:43:20.000 --> 02:43:34.000
We were sad to see Jesse leave us earlier this year but our summer, our summer employee has worked out really well and decided to make a career of it.

02:43:34.000 --> 02:43:40.000
And so we have hired Taylor Zivolowski.

02:43:40.000 --> 02:43:41.000
Thank you.

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Do you know Taylor?

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Okay.

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All right.

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And so we're excited to have, we're excited to have him with us.

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And so there's also other informative things on our sewer and water page too.

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So if there's any questions let me know.

02:44:00.000 --> 02:44:05.000
Just seeing your website about the Spring Street Interceptor.

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It didn't hit another retaining wall did it.

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Is that a holdover from a previous month?

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It seems like.

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Yes.

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There's a retaining wall attached to the wing wall.

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The way I read the abandonment documents thought it was gone but.

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Okay.

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Here's to be there and we missed it with our boring soul.

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We're looking at.

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At directional drilling and poke and holes on our alignment and then left and right and basically drilling all the way.

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Through non-set of vertical drilling the final limits.

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Vertical exploration missed the wall that.

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That the pipe directional drilling ran into.

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And so we are going to use other methods in order to.

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Make certain.

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At the next alignment is not going to hit another.

02:45:09.000 --> 02:45:12.000
Buried abutment or wall or.

02:45:12.000 --> 02:45:15.000
Yeah, it's also where we did the ground penetrating radar.

02:45:15.000 --> 02:45:17.000
So none of that.

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Picked it up.

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So how long is it delayed now.

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I had a bunch of emails on that today.

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From what I was tied up with some other stuff I haven't responded but.

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I think we know what we want to do.

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How we're going to do it.

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Now we got to coordinate with the railroad to see when they're available.

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Watch this work.

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The joy of union Pacific.

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All right.

02:45:52.000 --> 02:45:55.000
Any other comments or questions.

02:45:55.000 --> 02:45:56.000
No.

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All right.

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That then brings us to item 16 chairman's business.

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I have none.

02:46:02.000 --> 02:46:05.000
So item 17 members and liaisons business.

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Anybody have any business for the board?

02:46:08.000 --> 02:46:09.000
No.

02:46:09.000 --> 02:46:10.000
All right.

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That brings us to item 18 public comments and appearances.

02:46:13.000 --> 02:46:16.000
Do we have any public comments or appearances?

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Paul, you showed up late.

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You got anything?

02:46:18.000 --> 02:46:19.000
No.

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All right.

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That will bring us then to item 19.

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Our next meeting will be July 14th, 2026, which is the week preceding fish days.

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And including fish days, I guess.

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So hope to see you all then.

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And that'll bring us to adjournment.

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Do we have a motion to adjourn?

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Move to adjourn.

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We have a motion by older woman Miller.

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Is there a second?

02:46:44.000 --> 02:46:45.000
Second.

02:46:45.000 --> 02:46:48.000
We have a second and I missed two of us.

02:46:48.000 --> 02:46:49.000
Okay.

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Bye.

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Committee member, Paul.

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All those in favor say aye.

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Opposed?

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We are adjourned.