WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:02.000 To order, this is a meeting of the 00:02.000 --> 00:05.640 Poor Washington Planning Commission on May 21st, 2026. 00:05.640 --> 00:07.880 Happy birthday to Barb Matera and Tom Nitsky. 00:07.880 --> 00:10.440 Roll call, all members are here. 00:10.440 --> 00:12.080 And I'm looking for someone to approve 00:12.080 --> 00:13.980 the previous meeting minutes. 00:13.980 --> 00:15.120 Second. 00:15.120 --> 00:16.280 There's a motion and a second. 00:16.280 --> 00:18.600 Any questions or concerns on the motion? 00:18.600 --> 00:21.120 Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. 00:21.120 --> 00:21.960 Aye. 00:21.960 --> 00:22.800 Opposed? 00:22.800 --> 00:23.840 Okay, motion carries. 00:23.840 --> 00:25.960 I'm gonna move up agenda item five, 00:25.960 --> 00:29.720 which was added later to right after 00:29.720 --> 00:30.560 the public comments. 00:30.560 --> 00:32.720 Is there anyone here to make public comments tonight? 00:34.200 --> 00:36.760 Okay, there are no public comments. 00:36.760 --> 00:39.680 So that brings us into agenda item five. 00:39.680 --> 00:43.480 I'm gonna skip over four and end on the Sony Code Rewrite. 00:43.480 --> 00:45.080 Agenda item number five is consideration 00:45.080 --> 00:47.840 and possible action on a proposed public sculpture piece 00:47.840 --> 00:51.080 for Coldock Park at 190 South Wisconsin Street. 00:51.080 --> 00:54.400 The project is being asked to provide a recommendation 00:54.400 --> 00:57.720 of the common council on proposal and install a Coldock Park. 00:57.720 --> 01:01.040 The project is fully funded and ready to go. 01:01.040 --> 01:02.480 And the staff is recommending approval 01:02.480 --> 01:04.920 of the proposed sculpture at Coldock Park. 01:04.920 --> 01:05.760 Mr. Harris. 01:15.640 --> 01:16.960 No, but. 01:23.360 --> 01:24.760 Never been muted before. 01:25.760 --> 01:27.080 So. 01:27.080 --> 01:29.280 Do I have that, do I have that power from here? 01:34.600 --> 01:37.720 So the city has received a donation 01:37.720 --> 01:40.000 in the amount of $100,000. 01:40.000 --> 01:43.120 And that donation is for the creation 01:43.120 --> 01:46.360 and the installation of a sculpture 01:46.360 --> 01:50.200 to be placed at Coldock Park. 01:50.200 --> 01:51.920 And actually that's consistent 01:51.920 --> 01:55.920 with the 2009 Coldock Park master plan. 01:57.120 --> 01:59.200 And this is kind of an initiative 01:59.200 --> 02:01.200 that I know the mayor has been working on 02:01.200 --> 02:03.240 for a few years now. 02:03.240 --> 02:07.680 And along with the friends of the park and rec 02:07.680 --> 02:11.040 and now with this donation, 02:11.040 --> 02:14.440 there's the proposal and that will take the $100,000 02:14.440 --> 02:16.840 both for the creation of the sculpture 02:16.840 --> 02:20.240 and also the remaining funds about $20,000 02:20.280 --> 02:24.000 will be placed in an account for its maintenance. 02:24.000 --> 02:29.160 And so I'm just going to show the commission real quick. 02:29.160 --> 02:32.840 The location and what the sculpture will look like. 02:32.840 --> 02:36.760 So here is the 2009 Coldock Park plan. 02:36.760 --> 02:40.400 And in the highlighted in red is the first, 02:40.400 --> 02:42.560 the idea that there was a sculpture garden 02:42.560 --> 02:47.160 always kind of thought of or envisioned for this property. 02:47.160 --> 02:49.760 Kind of within that teardrop island 02:49.760 --> 02:53.520 that's created by that ring road of parking. 02:53.520 --> 02:58.520 And then this is just kind of the perspective of that teardrop 02:59.680 --> 03:04.680 from looking east where the lighthouse is lined up 03:06.040 --> 03:09.120 and it'll be in this general location. 03:09.120 --> 03:12.440 And then this is the proposed sculpture, 03:12.440 --> 03:15.520 the Isle of Port Washington sculpture. 03:15.520 --> 03:20.240 And so there was kind of this research done 03:20.240 --> 03:23.440 given that this is the Coldock Park land. 03:23.440 --> 03:24.560 This is Lake Bed land. 03:24.560 --> 03:26.120 This is We Energy's land. 03:26.120 --> 03:28.120 And the recommendation from council 03:28.120 --> 03:33.120 is that the formal process should be 03:33.240 --> 03:36.080 that this should have an approval and recommendation 03:36.080 --> 03:39.000 from both planned commission and council. 03:39.000 --> 03:41.840 And that's why we are here tonight. 03:41.840 --> 03:45.960 The recommendation is by part is to recommend 03:45.960 --> 03:49.160 and I'll just hand it over to the mayor and the council. 03:51.160 --> 03:53.040 Yep, you did a nice job covering that Bob. 03:53.040 --> 03:58.040 The sculpture is supposed to begin its manufacturing 03:58.520 --> 04:02.080 if it's a final approve tonight early next week. 04:02.080 --> 04:06.320 And then installation should be here in the middle of June 04:06.320 --> 04:07.960 with anticipation that it's done well 04:07.960 --> 04:10.000 before the 4th of July and fish day. 04:10.000 --> 04:11.920 The heart will be painted red. 04:11.920 --> 04:14.680 The I and PW will be painted 04:14.680 --> 04:18.640 in almost a matching color of the lighthouse. 04:18.640 --> 04:21.000 And then the way it'll be set is 04:22.200 --> 04:26.160 if you are walking along the inner harbor on the sidewalk, 04:26.160 --> 04:28.800 when you get to the last staircase in the teardrop 04:28.800 --> 04:30.760 that Bob was referring to, 04:30.760 --> 04:34.080 it will be just to the south of that. 04:34.080 --> 04:37.760 And then it will be angled in a fashion 04:37.760 --> 04:40.680 so that when you're downtown at Rotary Park, 04:40.680 --> 04:42.640 inventors, brew pub, et cetera, 04:42.640 --> 04:44.160 you'll be able to read and see it. 04:44.160 --> 04:48.720 But then it is also designed so that our hope 04:48.720 --> 04:50.400 and my hope with this particular sculpture 04:50.400 --> 04:52.520 was that this would become kind of the focal point 04:52.520 --> 04:57.040 for homecoming, prom, wedding pictures, reunions, 04:57.040 --> 04:58.080 welcome, production. 04:58.080 --> 05:00.640 But then also draw more people over to Coldock Park. 05:00.640 --> 05:03.320 It's a highly underutilized space 05:03.320 --> 05:05.200 because it's not really easy to get to 05:05.200 --> 05:06.360 if you don't know how to navigate it. 05:06.360 --> 05:08.160 So that's what it is. 05:08.160 --> 05:09.760 It's being donated by Cloverleaf 05:09.760 --> 05:13.640 and then CD Smith gave an additional $10,000 05:13.640 --> 05:15.760 so that we could keep a fund for maintenance. 05:15.760 --> 05:17.880 It will be fully landscaped around the platform 05:17.880 --> 05:19.040 on a concrete platform. 05:19.040 --> 05:21.800 It will be poured into the platform. 05:21.800 --> 05:24.720 And then it will be what is it magnetically painted 05:24.720 --> 05:29.240 so it'll be painted very well. 05:29.240 --> 05:31.400 So it's kind of the background. 05:31.400 --> 05:32.920 That's this. 05:32.920 --> 05:35.280 So any other questions on that or wonderings? 05:37.360 --> 05:39.400 I'm just writing it for you. 05:39.400 --> 05:41.240 Lighting is included in it. 05:41.240 --> 05:44.080 So it will be lit from a distance 05:44.080 --> 05:47.720 and it will be lit throughout the evening. 05:47.720 --> 05:51.560 So yeah, so the money raised was to ensure 05:51.560 --> 05:54.080 that we could light it, landscape it and then maintain it. 05:54.080 --> 05:57.400 So there'll be a fund kept by the Friends of Park and Rec 05:57.400 --> 06:00.280 to be able to offer repairs, et cetera for it. 06:01.360 --> 06:02.560 Yeah, good question. 06:02.560 --> 06:03.920 Sorry, I missed that point. 06:07.000 --> 06:08.560 Is it steel? 06:08.560 --> 06:09.840 Yeah, it's also steel. 06:09.840 --> 06:12.360 Yeah, it's fabricated and it's not tubular 06:12.360 --> 06:13.440 but I think it, what is it? 06:13.440 --> 06:14.760 I think it's a foot wide. 06:16.920 --> 06:20.080 Yeah, it is being manufactured up in the Fond du Lac area. 06:20.080 --> 06:20.920 Okay. 06:21.800 --> 06:23.800 And CD Smith fled out the whole project for us 06:23.800 --> 06:26.360 and donated, like I said, some time and effort 06:26.360 --> 06:28.240 as well as some money. 06:30.000 --> 06:31.800 I'll move approval. 06:31.800 --> 06:32.920 There's a motion to approve. 06:32.920 --> 06:34.320 Roger, did you have a question? 06:35.320 --> 06:36.480 Although I just can't make a second 06:36.480 --> 06:38.480 so we can stay on a little Robert's motion. 06:38.480 --> 06:39.840 Okay, so there's a motion and a second 06:39.840 --> 06:41.280 and did you have something, Roger? 06:41.280 --> 06:42.880 I just say, I'm in favor of public art 06:42.880 --> 06:44.560 so I'm all for this. 06:44.560 --> 06:46.360 Yep, appreciate that. 06:46.360 --> 06:48.920 Okay, any other questions on this? 06:48.920 --> 06:51.240 All right, seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. 06:51.240 --> 06:53.320 Aye. Aye. Opposed? 06:53.320 --> 06:54.960 All right, motion carries. 06:54.960 --> 06:56.080 Roger, I joined with you. 06:56.080 --> 06:59.520 I mean, my hope is that this installation 06:59.520 --> 07:03.520 will then create a consciousness 07:03.520 --> 07:05.000 around other philanthropists that like, 07:05.000 --> 07:09.120 hey, we can actually realize sculptures not just there 07:09.120 --> 07:11.280 but throughout the city to match our murals 07:11.280 --> 07:12.680 that we put in place. 07:12.680 --> 07:16.400 So another reason to visit for Washington or to stay. 07:16.400 --> 07:19.160 All right, that brings us into agenda item number four, 07:19.160 --> 07:21.880 which is the zoning code rewrite. 07:21.880 --> 07:24.000 This is a staff update and discussion item 07:24.000 --> 07:28.280 only on draft articles 18 and appendix C dimensional standards, 07:28.280 --> 07:30.800 19 engineering and environmental standards 07:30.840 --> 07:35.840 and 20 architectural standards for the proposed zoning rewrite. 07:35.840 --> 07:37.520 Mr. Harris, as we move into this, 07:37.520 --> 07:40.640 the one thing that I wanted to just reserve 07:40.640 --> 07:42.840 for your time is a little bit about 07:44.000 --> 07:47.240 when we get into architectural standards, 07:47.240 --> 07:50.480 some of the height considerations for multi-families 07:50.480 --> 07:55.480 that in this draft that I think before we send it to council, 07:55.480 --> 07:56.960 I'd like to get us to consensus 07:56.960 --> 08:00.320 because I don't think everybody wants to go to 48 feet. 08:01.040 --> 08:03.400 No, you'll see that I have shown. 08:03.400 --> 08:05.360 There's a slide for that. 08:05.360 --> 08:07.040 Slide, all right. 08:07.040 --> 08:08.200 You have the floor, sir. 08:08.200 --> 08:10.880 All right, so actually through a little bit 08:10.880 --> 08:13.400 of a lot of information at you. 08:13.400 --> 08:15.160 And so as we're coming in, 08:15.160 --> 08:19.440 starting to kind of come down in altitude 08:19.440 --> 08:23.160 and start lining up for a landing, it's pretty soon. 08:23.160 --> 08:26.960 This is kind of the, you know, some significant chapters. 08:26.960 --> 08:31.400 And so let me just, as I have been doing, 08:31.400 --> 08:34.720 we're just introducing these chapters or articles 08:34.720 --> 08:35.960 as they're technically called. 08:35.960 --> 08:38.440 And then just kind of what some of the, 08:38.440 --> 08:41.800 I'll summarize or just kind of point out some questions 08:41.800 --> 08:44.640 or issues that I want to, you know, 08:44.640 --> 08:48.880 throw at the plan commission for any possible discussions. 08:48.880 --> 08:52.080 So I'll just start going through 18, 19, 20 08:52.120 --> 08:57.040 and then laying out some of the issues for that. 08:57.040 --> 08:59.520 So starting with the dimensional standards. 09:00.720 --> 09:04.160 This is, you know, as we see, you know, 09:04.160 --> 09:06.680 this is defining lot area setbacks. 09:07.520 --> 09:09.040 Building heights, as mentioned, 09:09.040 --> 09:10.760 and we'll get back to that, you know, 09:10.760 --> 09:13.240 and then kind of the accessory garages 09:13.240 --> 09:15.680 and how things are measured, how big they are, 09:15.680 --> 09:18.120 how they're placed on the lots. 09:18.120 --> 09:21.240 But I did want to highlight some 09:21.240 --> 09:25.000 of the building height components to this. 09:25.000 --> 09:27.360 And then again, this is discussion. 09:27.360 --> 09:29.840 We're not deciding anything tonight. 09:29.840 --> 09:31.760 But this is, as the mayor pointed out, 09:31.760 --> 09:33.960 something that we can discuss. 09:33.960 --> 09:37.640 And prior to going into the approval cycle, 09:37.640 --> 09:41.320 try to get some consensus between now and then. 09:41.320 --> 09:45.000 So real quick, a little highlight that I thought 09:45.000 --> 09:47.160 was actually having the diagrams 09:47.160 --> 09:51.400 of how certain buildings with rooflines are measured. 09:51.400 --> 09:54.760 I know in the past, there was always sometimes 09:54.760 --> 09:57.040 some confusion with how building heights are measured, 09:57.040 --> 09:59.840 particularly our garage heights measured 09:59.840 --> 10:02.560 when we would have some of these special exceptions. 10:02.560 --> 10:05.360 And so we kind of have a picture for everyone. 10:05.360 --> 10:09.720 And I think it kind of demonstrates, you know, 10:09.720 --> 10:11.360 how to measure based on these rooflines. 10:11.360 --> 10:14.800 This is actually too much different from our current code. 10:14.800 --> 10:17.240 It's just that when you see the diagram 10:17.240 --> 10:18.840 it makes a big difference. 10:18.840 --> 10:22.200 And so we're going to see them in front of you. 10:22.200 --> 10:23.880 The other item I wanted to bring up, 10:23.880 --> 10:25.520 or just kind of mention at least, 10:25.520 --> 10:30.520 was the idea of a required step back for attached garages. 10:30.600 --> 10:33.360 And I think the intent text that we see here 10:33.360 --> 10:34.600 kind of sums it up. 10:34.600 --> 10:38.000 And it's just so we kind of have in Port Washington 10:38.000 --> 10:41.640 moving forward, if we get this far with this provision, 10:41.640 --> 10:46.640 is highlighting the residential portion of a house 10:46.800 --> 10:49.000 fronting a street and in a neighborhood 10:49.000 --> 10:51.960 rather than, you know, the garage portion of it. 10:51.960 --> 10:55.280 And so the proposal in the zoning code 10:55.280 --> 10:58.240 will be a kind of a modest step back 10:58.240 --> 11:00.360 from the front living portion of the house. 11:00.360 --> 11:03.720 And then, and so the garage doors are, you know, 11:03.720 --> 11:05.560 in this case, they're proposed for like a two, 11:05.560 --> 11:07.800 just a modest two foot setback. 11:07.800 --> 11:10.480 And then that kind of gives, you know, 11:10.480 --> 11:12.160 that kind of gives a prominence 11:12.160 --> 11:14.320 to the residential portion of the house 11:14.320 --> 11:16.800 and kind of its neighborhoods for people 11:16.800 --> 11:21.120 and kind of puts the cars in the back seat, so to speak. 11:21.120 --> 11:23.560 So I just wanted to highlight that. 11:23.560 --> 11:26.800 Just moving into touching on the building heights, 11:26.800 --> 11:30.920 I thought I'd get some previously reviewed 11:30.920 --> 11:35.920 multifamily apartments and kind of showing their heights 11:36.920 --> 11:41.920 in comparison to what is proposed, at least or drafted in. 11:42.320 --> 11:47.320 Real quick, RM4 is the multifamily district 11:49.760 --> 11:51.360 that we have now. 11:51.360 --> 11:56.360 And then R4 will be, is the multi-district 11:57.200 --> 11:58.560 in the proposed code. 11:59.560 --> 12:04.200 As some of you may know, 60 feet has been the maximum height 12:04.280 --> 12:09.160 in our RM4 district for as far as I can tell, decades. 12:09.160 --> 12:11.880 It's a pretty big, it's a pretty tall height. 12:11.880 --> 12:14.360 And I don't think outside of downtown 12:14.360 --> 12:17.800 that it's come up at least since I've been here. 12:17.800 --> 12:20.440 And I remember even when I first got here, 12:20.440 --> 12:23.440 architects remarking that, you know, 12:23.440 --> 12:26.920 for a, you know, outside of a major city 12:26.920 --> 12:29.440 or a density in the Milwaukee area, 12:29.440 --> 12:31.040 you know, they were surprised to see that. 12:31.040 --> 12:36.040 So I think it's outlived its life in this code. 12:36.200 --> 12:39.080 I think it hasn't been used outside of downtown. 12:39.080 --> 12:42.120 And so we're looking at, you know, 12:42.120 --> 12:44.440 changing the maximum height 12:44.440 --> 12:48.400 of our dense multifamily district that we'll have. 12:48.400 --> 12:51.360 Currently in the draft that you had, it is 60 feet. 12:51.360 --> 12:54.720 I've since, you know, given the heads up to our consultants 12:54.720 --> 12:56.440 that this should come down. 12:57.520 --> 12:59.880 I have the suggestion at 48 feet, 12:59.880 --> 13:01.920 it's actually, I eventually have a suggestion 13:01.920 --> 13:04.720 that previously was 42 feet. 13:04.720 --> 13:07.560 And I can just show, you know, how we get there. 13:07.560 --> 13:11.320 So real quick, the apartment on the top, 13:11.320 --> 13:15.680 that was a proposal that you saw last year, 13:15.680 --> 13:17.840 late last year on Seven Hills Road 13:17.840 --> 13:20.360 between the Holiday Inn and the parking ride a lot. 13:20.360 --> 13:22.120 This is a four-story building. 13:22.120 --> 13:25.200 And based on their submitted elevations, 13:25.200 --> 13:26.800 granted it was just a concept plan, 13:26.800 --> 13:29.080 but their submitted elevations showed 13:29.080 --> 13:34.040 about a 49-foot building height up to the top, 13:34.040 --> 13:35.920 the ridge line or the top of the roof. 13:37.640 --> 13:41.960 This is a slide below is a cardinal capital proposal 13:41.960 --> 13:44.360 from about seven years ago on LL. 13:44.360 --> 13:49.120 Again, a four-story building and looking at, 13:49.120 --> 13:51.160 it was approximately 46, 13:51.160 --> 13:54.520 and not approximately 46 feet. 13:54.520 --> 13:56.120 Again, this is a flat roof, 13:56.120 --> 13:58.380 so up to that flat roof line. 13:59.240 --> 14:02.160 A little more perspective for you all, 14:02.160 --> 14:04.560 looking at the recent police and fire building. 14:05.680 --> 14:10.680 That top section over the overhead fire doors is 35 feet. 14:11.680 --> 14:16.680 45 feet is actually the top of the base of the host tower 14:17.440 --> 14:21.040 and then the light fixture, that part is above it. 14:21.040 --> 14:24.160 So just to give you perspective of 35 feet, 14:24.160 --> 14:26.280 looks like 45 feet looks like. 14:26.280 --> 14:29.120 And then getting to that 42 feet, 14:29.120 --> 14:33.160 that was that I kind of suggest, 14:33.160 --> 14:34.720 that has been discussed. 14:34.720 --> 14:39.600 And this is kind of the harbor springs on Highway 32, 14:39.600 --> 14:41.800 which I think is a, you know, 14:41.800 --> 14:43.080 the scale of that building, 14:43.080 --> 14:45.880 I think really granted it's oriented, 14:45.880 --> 14:50.880 you know, the short faces is fronting 32. 14:51.880 --> 14:56.000 But I think overall, this is a nice scale for port. 14:56.000 --> 14:59.640 And then you can see how it's about 42, 14:59.640 --> 15:02.840 approximately 42 feet, again, to that ridge line. 15:02.840 --> 15:06.320 And so I think, you know, 15:06.320 --> 15:08.240 I don't think there's any argument 15:08.240 --> 15:10.200 about getting away from that 60 feet. 15:10.200 --> 15:12.360 And then the discussion is, 15:12.360 --> 15:15.120 how do we, where do we wanna land? 15:15.120 --> 15:18.320 42 feet, 45 feet, 48 feet. 15:18.360 --> 15:21.400 And then we also have to take into consideration, 15:21.400 --> 15:25.280 you know, the different types of roof lines. 15:25.280 --> 15:26.600 So how we measure that. 15:26.600 --> 15:29.160 So that's what I really wanted to bring 15:29.160 --> 15:32.160 to the commission's attention. 15:32.160 --> 15:33.960 Maybe have some discussion tonight, 15:33.960 --> 15:36.040 and that can continue. 15:37.280 --> 15:40.400 Just moving along and highlighting the next chapter, 15:40.400 --> 15:42.200 as far as architectural standards. 15:42.200 --> 15:43.520 Well, let me back up. 15:43.520 --> 15:46.280 Engineering and environmental standards, 15:46.280 --> 15:49.680 not much to them, it's a short chapter. 15:49.680 --> 15:51.920 And a lot of it is just kind of required items, 15:51.920 --> 15:54.600 like state's required items. 15:54.600 --> 15:57.800 It does make a provision for the commission, 15:57.800 --> 16:01.400 can make have the power to require a, 16:01.400 --> 16:03.840 or ask for a traffic study 16:03.840 --> 16:06.400 for any development that comes up. 16:06.400 --> 16:09.080 The only thing I would add is just, 16:09.080 --> 16:11.120 instead of requiring a traffic study 16:11.120 --> 16:14.240 for certain benchmarks of a development, 16:15.000 --> 16:17.240 I think it'd be best and a little more flexible 16:17.240 --> 16:20.480 if this is an optional tool 16:20.480 --> 16:23.000 that the commission can have in their back pocket 16:23.000 --> 16:25.920 and not necessarily a requirement. 16:25.920 --> 16:29.440 I think I can opine on parking studies. 16:29.440 --> 16:32.000 I think the city engineer can as well. 16:32.000 --> 16:33.720 I think it'd be a little more flexible 16:33.720 --> 16:38.280 if you just have that ability on a case-to-case basis 16:38.280 --> 16:40.720 and rather than requiring one. 16:41.080 --> 16:44.520 And then finally moving to architectural standards. 16:44.520 --> 16:46.600 A couple of highlights in my report, 16:48.120 --> 16:52.400 requiring a four-sided architecture in defined cases. 16:52.400 --> 16:55.000 What that means is that it's not just 16:55.000 --> 16:57.920 the nice face of the building, 16:57.920 --> 17:02.920 it's on the front having kind of the architectural, 17:04.400 --> 17:06.360 the nicer architectural details, 17:06.360 --> 17:10.360 but if there's a building backing into a residential, 17:10.360 --> 17:15.360 then so the public right-of-way facing front 17:15.680 --> 17:17.480 should also have some type of standards 17:17.480 --> 17:20.680 for the residential portions as well. 17:20.680 --> 17:23.960 It's not just residential, it's just if it's visible 17:23.960 --> 17:27.560 and it's not requiring a full treatment, 17:27.560 --> 17:31.240 but for example, if you're driving down 43 south in Mequon, 17:31.240 --> 17:36.240 you see that longer strip mall that backs into 43. 17:36.480 --> 17:39.520 Four-sided architecture also can just include matching 17:39.520 --> 17:41.840 paint color in some of the details. 17:41.840 --> 17:43.560 And on that strip mall, Mequon, 17:43.560 --> 17:46.560 you see like the blue matching color in the front, 17:46.560 --> 17:50.920 there's trim paint and it just kind of helps it blend in 17:50.920 --> 17:54.600 rather than the stark unfinished or untreated 17:54.600 --> 17:57.640 block brick masonry or what have you. 17:57.640 --> 18:01.600 The other one is when, I think it's the one 18:01.600 --> 18:03.120 that was the family dollar, 18:03.120 --> 18:07.720 I remember talking to Marty Becker when he was mayor 18:07.760 --> 18:10.280 and he told a story about how the city required 18:10.280 --> 18:13.280 some type of finishing product on the roof lines 18:13.280 --> 18:15.200 since it was backing up onto the residential. 18:15.200 --> 18:18.600 So that's what it means by four-sided architecture. 18:18.600 --> 18:22.160 It's just nice having that codified in a new zoning code. 18:23.080 --> 18:27.480 The other item is just pointing out scale, 18:27.480 --> 18:32.000 scale of residential homes next to each other, 18:32.000 --> 18:35.240 but also when there's a residential district, 18:35.240 --> 18:37.440 a budding and non-residential district 18:37.440 --> 18:39.880 and requiring a certain kind of scale. 18:39.880 --> 18:44.880 So in the example above, there's an idea 18:45.840 --> 18:50.840 where residential additions within a residential district, 18:52.200 --> 18:54.280 the plan commission and the code 18:54.280 --> 18:57.040 would provide some language to prevent kind of, 18:57.040 --> 19:00.400 and this is an exaggeration example for port, 19:00.400 --> 19:04.400 but this is an actual, this actually happened. 19:04.400 --> 19:07.240 And so to prevent kind of these out of scale additions 19:07.960 --> 19:10.960 or new homes that could be part of any rebuild. 19:10.960 --> 19:13.160 So it's not just completely, 19:13.160 --> 19:17.720 it's preventing some form exaggerated or not 19:17.720 --> 19:19.760 this type of situation. 19:21.000 --> 19:21.840 Excuse me. 19:23.400 --> 19:26.080 Wanna note this picture here 19:26.080 --> 19:28.880 with the large residential addition. 19:28.880 --> 19:31.000 This is a recent story from the New York Times 19:31.000 --> 19:33.760 and I remember noting that when I was reading it, 19:33.760 --> 19:36.560 but I also got an email from a resident 19:36.600 --> 19:38.080 referring to the same article. 19:38.080 --> 19:39.840 So that kind of, you know, 19:39.840 --> 19:42.120 there was kind of nice to see that. 19:42.120 --> 19:44.560 The code is covering what, you know, 19:44.560 --> 19:47.400 what kind of public input I've received so far. 19:47.400 --> 19:49.120 The other items are just kind of simple. 19:49.120 --> 19:52.080 Like for example, in the design review board 19:52.080 --> 19:54.840 kind of is on top of this, but taking these large, 19:54.840 --> 19:56.680 some of these multifamily buildings 19:56.680 --> 19:58.800 or commercial buildings for that matter 19:58.800 --> 20:02.560 and just ensuring what I put as a building needs a hat. 20:02.560 --> 20:05.680 That's kind of my, one of my little pet peeves 20:05.680 --> 20:07.400 of certain types of architecture, 20:07.400 --> 20:09.920 particularly some that's going on today 20:09.920 --> 20:12.520 where you just have minimal coping 20:12.520 --> 20:14.640 really or no parapets at all. 20:14.640 --> 20:18.560 So this code is gonna require that we get it, 20:18.560 --> 20:21.960 we don't have this situation in the bottom left-hand sort 20:21.960 --> 20:24.000 where it's just kind of this flat building 20:24.000 --> 20:27.000 with minimal treatment at the rough edge. 20:27.000 --> 20:31.160 So we kind of have some visual variety 20:31.160 --> 20:32.880 and distinction at the top. 20:32.880 --> 20:37.280 And then just a simple thing of requiring mechanical screening. 20:37.280 --> 20:40.200 That's not a, it's not something that's in our code 20:40.200 --> 20:43.760 and that's a pretty standard requirement. 20:44.760 --> 20:46.880 I think that's all I have for this. 20:46.880 --> 20:49.240 But I know going back to discussion here 20:49.240 --> 20:54.240 is the idea of our multi, our RM4 type of multifamily 20:56.360 --> 20:59.480 and getting away from 60 feet and where do we wanna land? 20:59.480 --> 21:01.600 I will note that it's not much of an issue 21:01.600 --> 21:04.120 for the remaining districts, they're all pretty consistent 21:04.120 --> 21:08.160 or it's all pretty much the same as what we have now. 21:08.160 --> 21:10.640 Residential districts in our current code, 21:10.640 --> 21:12.080 it's always been 30 feet. 21:13.160 --> 21:15.520 There's a newer addition where it's gonna be, 21:15.520 --> 21:17.720 it's proposed they have 32 feet. 21:17.720 --> 21:21.800 The older multifamily districts in the proposed code, 21:21.800 --> 21:25.960 there hasn't changed, it's about 35 feet or so. 21:25.960 --> 21:30.040 So it's really this RM4, this high density multifamily district 21:30.880 --> 21:34.720 that's really bears or needs some discussion 21:34.720 --> 21:37.080 on where we wanna go with that. 21:37.080 --> 21:39.560 And with that, I'll stop my summary 21:39.560 --> 21:41.280 and throw it over to the commission. 21:42.880 --> 21:44.520 Questions or wonderings for Bob? 21:46.040 --> 21:46.880 Mr. Ehrlich. 21:48.160 --> 21:50.440 Quick question I have is in 21:53.240 --> 21:56.240 where you start looking at how you're measuring the heights, 21:56.240 --> 21:59.880 building heights and how you've shown 21:59.880 --> 22:04.200 that graphic and where you kind of cut the peak in half 22:04.200 --> 22:05.320 and so on and so forth. 22:05.320 --> 22:07.480 But we're not being very consistent 22:07.480 --> 22:10.280 if you're looking at some of the other things 22:10.280 --> 22:12.880 where you're going to the peak, you know what I mean? 22:12.880 --> 22:15.640 We have to make sure that we're very clear 22:15.640 --> 22:18.120 where we're changing it, if we're going to change it 22:18.120 --> 22:20.480 or if we're gonna count that 42 feet 22:20.480 --> 22:24.320 or that 45 feet to the middle, correct. 22:24.320 --> 22:28.640 Okay, and then the other thing that I wanted to talk about 22:28.640 --> 22:32.040 which is not on the slide is there's exceptions 22:32.040 --> 22:34.440 to the building height that you have. 22:35.640 --> 22:38.480 And that was something that was kind of a thing 22:38.480 --> 22:40.080 of contention on some buildings 22:40.080 --> 22:43.800 that were proposed here in downtown. 22:43.800 --> 22:46.320 One of it is the elevator penthouse, 22:46.320 --> 22:49.360 allowing that to go above that minimum height. 22:51.080 --> 22:52.800 Is that, I just wanna make sure 22:52.800 --> 22:54.160 that we're all on the same page 22:54.160 --> 22:56.920 that that's an exception that we want 22:56.920 --> 23:01.920 or is it, look, it's 45 feet and that's it, you know? 23:02.240 --> 23:04.840 Now downtown will have its own, really? 23:04.840 --> 23:06.200 Okay, yeah. 23:08.040 --> 23:11.000 I mean, and I'm not saying one way or another at this point, 23:11.000 --> 23:13.040 I just wanna make sure that we're all on the same page 23:13.040 --> 23:18.040 that that doesn't become something that it's, well, yeah, but, 23:18.880 --> 23:19.720 you know. 23:19.720 --> 23:21.440 I'm sorry, I agree with you on that 23:21.440 --> 23:26.440 because one of the notes I took in my packet was, 23:27.440 --> 23:31.960 if we set it at 48 or 42 or 51 feet, 23:32.840 --> 23:35.320 how often are we gonna be sitting here 23:35.320 --> 23:37.440 going against the intention which was to be able 23:37.440 --> 23:39.920 to just simply call balls and strikes on everything 23:39.920 --> 23:41.920 and then have people coming in for variances 23:41.920 --> 23:45.960 because as we saw with the potential apartment development 23:45.960 --> 23:47.680 on the north side, that's a canned, 23:47.680 --> 23:49.640 pre-architecturally designed, developed piece 23:49.640 --> 23:51.840 with a good ROI for the developer 23:51.840 --> 23:54.280 and who the heck is poor Washington to say, 23:54.280 --> 23:56.800 I can't be at 46 feet, every other community in the world 23:56.800 --> 23:59.920 is at 46 feet, so how do I cut four feet off of this 23:59.920 --> 24:02.480 or how do I add, you know, those different pieces? 24:02.480 --> 24:06.080 Because I, when we can set it wherever we want to, 24:07.160 --> 24:09.280 and make that recommendation up to council, 24:09.280 --> 24:11.720 I just, my greater concern is, 24:13.400 --> 24:16.120 wherever we set it, I just want it to be in a spot 24:16.120 --> 24:20.960 where that's a standard for that type of level development 24:20.960 --> 24:23.440 because I don't think poor Washington is appropriate 24:23.440 --> 24:27.920 for eight, nine, 10 stories anywhere yet, 24:27.920 --> 24:30.640 but as we do that, I just want to make sure 24:30.640 --> 24:32.600 that that's something we can answer. 24:33.760 --> 24:37.160 Because I thought we had settled on 42 feet 24:37.160 --> 24:39.480 and when I saw 48, I was a little surprised. 24:39.480 --> 24:40.520 Mr. Reyer? 24:40.520 --> 24:45.520 Yep, yeah, I would echo, I'm at 42 at the top end 24:46.480 --> 24:48.760 for what I would be comfortable with. 24:48.800 --> 24:51.160 You look at the rest of the residential districts 24:51.160 --> 24:53.640 and like Bob said, you're sitting at like 32 feet 24:53.640 --> 24:54.760 for most of them. 24:55.680 --> 24:59.680 The neighbors that came in when the taller buildings 24:59.680 --> 25:01.560 were proposed by the old hospital, 25:01.560 --> 25:04.200 I think we heard them pretty much loud and clear 25:04.200 --> 25:07.400 that when you're dealing with an existing residential 25:07.400 --> 25:09.280 neighborhood, people were not in support 25:09.280 --> 25:11.600 of something that was out of scale. 25:11.600 --> 25:15.000 And there's not too many areas of town 25:15.000 --> 25:17.120 that already have that height. 25:17.120 --> 25:19.160 So almost anywhere you go and anywhere you build 25:19.160 --> 25:21.600 unless you're really separated from that, 25:21.600 --> 25:25.240 you're gonna have existing residential that's shorter 25:25.240 --> 25:28.720 right next to something that could be a lot taller. 25:28.720 --> 25:31.120 And I agree with the two of you, the comments, 25:32.840 --> 25:37.840 either removing the exceptions from anywhere other 25:38.040 --> 25:42.480 than downtown, otherwise you probably are gonna be in here 25:42.480 --> 25:44.920 with each developer with a product 25:44.920 --> 25:47.240 that's been successful somewhere else, 25:47.240 --> 25:50.400 making their case that I can do this project 25:50.400 --> 25:52.920 but only if I get the extra five feet 25:52.920 --> 25:57.480 or the extra six feet or what is the height, 25:57.480 --> 25:59.480 where does the height stop, 25:59.480 --> 26:02.960 then can I do a such and such on top? 26:02.960 --> 26:05.960 And then I feel like we're back to where we've been before 26:05.960 --> 26:08.840 and I would just encourage us as a group 26:08.840 --> 26:13.200 to stick with that shorter height, that 42 feet as a cap 26:14.200 --> 26:19.120 and outside of the downtown area where people might come in 26:19.120 --> 26:21.240 and pitch something that's super unique 26:21.240 --> 26:24.720 and something that the community doesn't wanna pass up on, 26:24.720 --> 26:26.760 really minimizing or removing that exception, 26:26.760 --> 26:30.440 otherwise we'll be faced with that. 26:30.440 --> 26:31.280 So. 26:32.840 --> 26:35.080 Where do other commissioners fall in that? 26:38.520 --> 26:40.480 I'd like to stick with the 42 26:40.480 --> 26:43.200 and talking about the exceptions, 26:43.200 --> 26:45.720 since you and I've been on the planning commission together, 26:45.720 --> 26:49.960 which is I don't wanna get into this variance battle. 26:49.960 --> 26:50.800 Yeah. 26:50.800 --> 26:52.880 I want, no, yes, no, yes, no, 26:52.880 --> 26:54.320 except for the overlay downtown 26:54.320 --> 26:56.800 but I wanna consistent 42. 26:56.800 --> 27:00.400 As well as the planner to be able to stop something 27:00.400 --> 27:03.240 at his desk and say, I'm not gonna recommend that. 27:04.360 --> 27:05.200 Okay. 27:07.200 --> 27:08.240 You okay with 42? 27:09.080 --> 27:11.440 Yeah, I agree with 42 as well, 27:11.440 --> 27:15.040 hearing what you were saying about the existing residential 27:15.040 --> 27:17.640 and then what you mentioned, I think months ago, 27:17.640 --> 27:20.440 about the gateways into town, you know, 27:20.440 --> 27:22.080 the first thing you see, you know, 27:22.080 --> 27:23.520 do you really want something that high? 27:23.520 --> 27:26.960 I think 42 is, I think a better height. 27:28.040 --> 27:31.880 And just something, for me, contextually, 27:31.880 --> 27:33.320 like when I look at, and I'm not, 27:33.320 --> 27:36.200 I don't wanna name any communities, 27:36.200 --> 27:39.240 but there's been some significant apartment growth 27:39.240 --> 27:42.680 in some communities in Ozaki County. 27:42.680 --> 27:44.520 And when you see the scale of some 27:44.520 --> 27:47.040 of those apartment buildings, when you go through, 27:47.040 --> 27:48.520 you know, again, I don't wanna say the name 27:48.520 --> 27:50.080 of the community rhymes with rafting, 27:50.080 --> 27:52.880 but like they're just, they're huge. 27:52.880 --> 27:56.080 And they're kinda weirdly, they're just, 27:56.080 --> 27:59.760 their zoning code must be, I don't know, 27:59.760 --> 28:01.960 it's not critical, but when you drive into town 28:01.960 --> 28:03.640 or you're looking up over the interstate, 28:03.640 --> 28:07.520 it creates that canyon effect that we would lose 28:07.520 --> 28:10.640 a lot of quaintness, and even as we expand to the West 28:10.640 --> 28:13.600 and North and South and Port Washington, 28:13.600 --> 28:16.720 I don't necessarily know that we need that large pieces, 28:16.720 --> 28:19.160 but Roger, what are your thoughts? 28:19.160 --> 28:20.920 Yeah, I guess I'm the only eyeball in here. 28:20.920 --> 28:24.080 I like a four-story building in these areas, 28:24.080 --> 28:27.880 and I guess I equate four stories with 48 feet, so, 28:27.880 --> 28:32.880 I mean, you can always go 42 by going into the ground 28:32.880 --> 28:36.680 and get four stories, but, so, I guess I'm okay with 48, 28:36.680 --> 28:38.800 but I'm not gonna die in that hill. 28:38.800 --> 28:40.120 Yeah. 28:40.120 --> 28:41.040 Darden level. 28:43.680 --> 28:45.240 Right, okay. 28:45.240 --> 28:47.880 I do wanna point out in the proposed code, 28:47.880 --> 28:50.800 it does have a little table of exceptions. 28:52.280 --> 28:57.520 Chimneys, flus, spire steeples, cupolas, 28:57.520 --> 28:59.920 solar chimneys, it does have a, 28:59.920 --> 29:02.400 and then also a elevator pet house. 29:02.760 --> 29:06.400 That's where I kind of was like, okay, we did talk about it, 29:06.400 --> 29:08.880 and so I wanted to make sure everybody knew 29:08.880 --> 29:09.880 what we were getting into, 29:09.880 --> 29:11.520 because these are now exceptions 29:11.520 --> 29:13.880 that we would allow above and beyond that. 29:13.880 --> 29:18.880 So right now, and this is for height outside of downtown, 29:20.360 --> 29:23.720 elevator penthouse, they're proposing up to eight feet 29:23.720 --> 29:25.920 over the maximum building height, which makes sense, 29:25.920 --> 29:28.080 because it's a foot elevator. 29:28.080 --> 29:28.920 Sure. 29:28.920 --> 29:33.920 I'm not gonna get too worried about those exceptions. 29:36.400 --> 29:38.600 It's just, again, if we're sitting in here 29:38.600 --> 29:40.320 in variance hell for an evening, 29:40.320 --> 29:44.920 and then I think that's a greater problem. 29:44.920 --> 29:47.680 I think it might be a nice compromise 29:47.680 --> 29:49.120 to what Roger was saying is, 29:49.120 --> 29:53.120 maybe it allows a little bit more height 29:53.120 --> 29:55.680 so that you could get a little bit higher building. 29:56.680 --> 30:01.240 You know, you can bring the building to the 42 feet, 30:01.240 --> 30:04.640 and then your elevator can go above that if you need it to. 30:07.440 --> 30:09.760 Particularly if it's stepped back enough further 30:09.760 --> 30:13.000 inside the middle of the building floor plate 30:13.000 --> 30:14.160 on the roof plate. 30:14.160 --> 30:15.800 Right, right. 30:16.880 --> 30:18.760 Well, we are making a recommendation, 30:18.760 --> 30:21.720 and our recommendation is, it sounds like 42 feet. 30:22.720 --> 30:25.720 The other recommendation is to provide 30:25.720 --> 30:27.880 an architectural dictionary so I can learn 30:27.880 --> 30:30.440 what a gambrel and a man's art is without, 30:31.880 --> 30:34.440 and a hip cable, these all sound like dance moves 30:34.440 --> 30:35.320 from the 80s. 30:37.160 --> 30:39.880 The man's art is the McDonald's, roughly. 30:39.880 --> 30:42.480 Yeah, no, I see that, but like, I just, 30:42.480 --> 30:45.960 some of the, you know, it's not, 30:45.960 --> 30:49.040 like I just, I don't know if architects lack imagination 30:49.040 --> 30:51.600 in their naming things, or... 30:51.600 --> 30:53.920 There's no lack of imagination in our community. 30:53.920 --> 30:56.600 They're born, yeah, no, just in the words. 30:56.600 --> 30:57.440 Just in the words. 30:57.440 --> 30:58.520 Yeah. 30:58.520 --> 30:59.360 Okay. 30:59.360 --> 31:00.200 I have one question for you. 31:00.200 --> 31:01.120 Mr. Numer? 31:01.120 --> 31:03.240 Just going back to the traffic study, 31:03.240 --> 31:04.840 we're gonna leave as an option. 31:04.840 --> 31:07.520 If we do require that, or a parking study, 31:07.520 --> 31:09.240 does the developer have to pay for that, 31:09.240 --> 31:10.480 or is that on the city? 31:10.480 --> 31:12.920 That's not developer, paying the developer, okay. 31:12.920 --> 31:14.400 That's all it's written in there? 31:14.400 --> 31:15.240 Okay. 31:15.240 --> 31:16.320 Okay, thank you. 31:16.320 --> 31:17.800 I have one other question. 31:17.800 --> 31:18.640 Yeah. 31:18.640 --> 31:19.480 The houses. 31:19.480 --> 31:23.960 So if you, if that design standard gets put in there 31:23.960 --> 31:28.200 and the developer has like a product line of houses 31:28.200 --> 31:30.040 and the menu of options, 31:31.320 --> 31:32.680 does that mean you just sit down with them 31:32.680 --> 31:35.240 and simply say, before you even come in with a plat 31:35.240 --> 31:37.600 and you have like your stock designs, 31:37.600 --> 31:39.480 you just let them know that this is how it is, 31:39.480 --> 31:42.040 and people that wanted to pick that design, 31:42.040 --> 31:43.520 it's just not an option? 31:43.520 --> 31:45.200 Yeah, I've been looking at, you know, 31:45.200 --> 31:50.080 because I'll be talking to kind of the subdivision developers here. 31:51.160 --> 31:52.680 They're kind of trending that way. 31:52.680 --> 31:56.720 This is becoming more of, this is not unique, 31:56.720 --> 31:58.960 this step back for garages. 31:58.960 --> 32:01.160 Yeah, no, I like it. 32:01.160 --> 32:03.440 They have, I've seen like for example, 32:03.440 --> 32:07.880 but both Newman and Billensky, they have products for that. 32:07.880 --> 32:12.720 And so it's much like how garages were a prominent thing, 32:12.720 --> 32:14.080 you know, you can come home from work, 32:14.080 --> 32:17.320 pull into your garage and don't have to worry about anything. 32:17.320 --> 32:18.920 And now we're starting to, you know, 32:18.920 --> 32:22.720 go back to a little more traditional neighborhood development 32:22.720 --> 32:25.960 type of feel for our homes. 32:25.960 --> 32:31.960 And so, this is, I lost track of what was your question. 32:31.960 --> 32:35.960 Yeah, it's as simple as that then. 32:35.960 --> 32:39.560 So just sit down with them and say this is the design. 32:39.560 --> 32:41.560 Yeah, this is where we're going, 32:41.560 --> 32:44.240 this is what the zoning code is being proposed for. 32:44.240 --> 32:46.840 Okay. 32:46.840 --> 32:48.640 Bob, I just want you know, I have high empathy for that, 32:48.640 --> 32:53.720 like trying to thought, you know, 630, mid 50s. 32:53.720 --> 32:55.480 All right. 32:55.480 --> 32:59.720 Appendix C, Zoning Districts and Dimensional Standards. 32:59.720 --> 33:01.640 I didn't have much for that. 33:01.640 --> 33:05.400 It's just kind of a little more diagrammatic 33:05.400 --> 33:08.920 and specific to chapter 18. 33:11.800 --> 33:13.960 I had no questions at anyone else. 33:13.960 --> 33:18.000 No, I just wanted to comment that this is really helpful, 33:18.000 --> 33:22.040 just because I'm digging into the zoning codes a lot. 33:22.040 --> 33:22.880 Yeah. 33:22.880 --> 33:25.040 It's really helpful to, okay, what do they mean by this? 33:25.040 --> 33:28.560 You know, it's so, I appreciate you doing it. 33:28.560 --> 33:30.960 Yeah, I pointed out that, I think in an earlier meeting 33:30.960 --> 33:33.960 where the way how this is coming together, 33:33.960 --> 33:37.440 it's a lot more detailed. 33:37.440 --> 33:40.000 It's a lot more detailed and I think that's helpful. 33:40.000 --> 33:42.720 It's a lot more detailed on spelling out what things are, 33:42.720 --> 33:44.000 what, how they're measured, 33:44.000 --> 33:46.560 and it's also more detailed on the procedure. 33:46.560 --> 33:48.040 Right. 33:48.040 --> 33:51.880 So I think hopefully this will give, 33:53.000 --> 33:55.760 takes out the guesswork, takes out some of the ambiguity. 33:55.760 --> 33:58.520 There'll always be some in a zoning code. 33:58.520 --> 33:59.960 There's a little bit of an art to it, 33:59.960 --> 34:02.000 but I think this is actually, 34:02.000 --> 34:04.720 but this will kind of, I think, really have, 34:04.720 --> 34:08.280 rather going from fuzzy, it's kind of, you know, 34:08.280 --> 34:09.560 more black and white. 34:09.560 --> 34:10.560 Right. 34:10.560 --> 34:11.400 Right. 34:11.400 --> 34:12.240 Yeah. 34:12.240 --> 34:13.080 I appreciate it. 34:15.600 --> 34:16.800 That brings us to Article 19, 34:16.800 --> 34:18.720 Engineering and Environmental Standards. 34:20.120 --> 34:21.920 Oh, I covered that, that was with the. 34:21.920 --> 34:22.840 So we're good with that? 34:22.840 --> 34:23.680 Yeah, we. 34:23.680 --> 34:25.440 Then 20, Architectural Standards, General Standards. 34:25.440 --> 34:26.920 We covered that as well, just now. 34:26.920 --> 34:27.760 We're good to go. 34:29.280 --> 34:31.480 The only wondering, I do have Bob, 34:31.480 --> 34:34.120 as we close out this evening's meeting is, 34:34.120 --> 34:36.240 is there any architect, 34:36.240 --> 34:39.040 and when we're looking at coding, 34:39.040 --> 34:41.320 is there ever built into the code, 34:41.320 --> 34:43.720 review by school district for impact? 34:45.560 --> 34:46.840 Or is that an ordinance? 34:48.280 --> 34:50.440 So, poor question is unique because our superintendents, 34:50.440 --> 34:51.640 our school district's superintendents, 34:51.640 --> 34:54.200 it's on the planning commission for advisory purposes. 34:54.200 --> 34:56.840 But has there ever been, you know, 34:56.840 --> 34:59.360 like if someone wants to come and do a multi, 35:01.760 --> 35:05.080 complex apartment development, 35:05.080 --> 35:08.760 and say it brings 600 apartments to the city, 35:08.760 --> 35:11.840 is there ever a review by the school district 35:11.840 --> 35:13.840 to determine impact before approval? 35:14.800 --> 35:17.480 As part of either the code or ordinance? 35:17.480 --> 35:21.200 I haven't seen, I've never seen it in a zoning code. 35:21.200 --> 35:26.200 I do think that some like some reports or staff reports, 35:28.000 --> 35:31.800 they might mention the impact on the school district. 35:31.800 --> 35:34.880 And I don't know if it's just based on projected number 35:34.880 --> 35:38.160 of children or persons living here under the age of 18 35:38.160 --> 35:40.760 and how that applies to the headcount 35:40.760 --> 35:42.000 and the funding formula. 35:42.000 --> 35:43.160 Yeah. 35:43.160 --> 35:45.440 I just remember when the apartment complexes 35:45.440 --> 35:47.400 were built on the west side of town, 35:47.400 --> 35:49.760 just west of Culver's, south and west, 35:49.760 --> 35:54.120 or yeah, southwest of Culver's that, 35:54.120 --> 35:56.240 the way that that was originally designed and developed, 35:56.240 --> 35:58.200 it had a pretty significant impact on that, 35:58.200 --> 35:59.520 on Dunwoody and that area 35:59.520 --> 36:02.440 because of a kind of an explosion of growth of young kids. 36:02.440 --> 36:03.520 And I just think that that's important 36:03.520 --> 36:07.040 to make sure the school district is part of 36:07.040 --> 36:10.400 either the review process or the approval process. 36:10.400 --> 36:12.320 I mean, as long as, you know, 36:12.320 --> 36:13.720 Michael's here, we're in good shape. 36:13.720 --> 36:16.080 Yeah, I haven't seen it so much for multifamily. 36:16.080 --> 36:18.000 I've seen it for subdivisions, of course. 36:18.000 --> 36:19.160 Yeah. 36:19.160 --> 36:20.000 Okay. 36:20.000 --> 36:21.320 The superintendent in Cedarburg, 36:21.320 --> 36:24.720 they have like a chamber event every year in summer 36:24.720 --> 36:27.840 and he'll get up and he'll talk about like how many kids 36:27.840 --> 36:31.000 per home are generated by each new home 36:31.000 --> 36:33.400 versus each new apartment and they've got it down 36:33.400 --> 36:38.080 to like each new unit is 0.76 children and apartment. 36:38.080 --> 36:39.480 Well, there's a formula. 36:40.840 --> 36:41.680 Yeah. 36:41.680 --> 36:43.320 What happens to the rest of the kids? 36:44.840 --> 36:45.680 Okay. 36:45.680 --> 36:46.520 So with that, is there anyone willing 36:46.520 --> 36:47.960 to make a motion to adjourn? 36:49.400 --> 36:50.920 There's a motion to adjourn in a second. 36:50.920 --> 36:52.760 Any questions or concerns on the motion? 36:52.760 --> 36:53.600 Seeing none. 36:53.600 --> 36:55.440 All in favor signify by saying aye. 36:55.440 --> 36:56.280 Aye. 36:56.280 --> 36:57.120 Opposed? 36:57.120 --> 36:58.040 That motion carries. 36:58.040 --> 36:58.880 Good night, everybody. 36:58.880 --> 36:59.720 This meeting is adjourned. 36:59.720 --> 37:00.560 Go pirates. 37:03.400 --> 37:05.080 Thank you.