The park and recreation board uh it's been properly noticed and we'll show that uh right now members Dan Ross and Wayne Cruciella aren't here but that we do have a quorum with the three members that we have. First order of business is to approve minutes of the previous meeting. I'll make the motion to approve. In the motion do we have a second? Okay any questions about the motion? All in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carried. The minutes are approved. Uh public comments and appearances. We don't have any anyone in the public right now uh so we'll let that go. We'll move on to chairperson's business. I do have a couple of things I want to say but I think I will I would like to hold those until the end of the meeting. Um so we'll move on to members liaisons business uh do either of you have something that you would like to mention or bring up at this time. It's not required but it's an opportunity. Okay so we'll move on to the director of parks, recreation and forestry. John you're on. Yes we did. Okay um first off I do want to thank Patrick for his service with the park and rec for how long have you been on? Yeah Well we're going to miss you and we really hope you come back as a citizen. It looks like that may be in the work so um so but I just wanted to say thank you I always appreciate your support over the years and your ideas. Um okay so uh we got a few things on here that I'd like to go through. I'm connected here I don't know why I'm not. It's uh it's coming up. It's just not I'm there we go. Okay. Um okay um starting off with uh we'll go through the recreation update. Our spring gymnastics have started. There will be starting in mid-April. We do have a lot of registration that's been happening with that. It's always been a successful program. Baseball um we've I think we are at one um one player pitch for sling pitch and um a lot of T-ball. So we've got a lot of T-ball has been very popular. Our registration opened up this morning um had over 7500 in revenue on registration on the first day so that's exciting. People are catching on and um paying attention when we when we post this stuff. Um on the pool pool update um opening day will be June 12th um we'll be filling the pool beginning of May. That's always tricky. I can't give a date on that. Every year we do have a restoration done on the pool basin but prior to that the groundwater has to settle enough that it's not seeping through the cracks. Um one of the things with that pool is every winter depending on what type of winter we have. If we have a really a lot of extreme cold and temperature changes we often end up with um cracks in the pool and we have to bring in. It's budgeted every year that we have uh restoration company come in and and do tuck pointing and uh fill in a lot of the cracks and unfortunately this past year was pretty rough on it. Um pool passes did open up. I'm not sure where we're at on those yet. Um the theater update we do have Madagascar coming up on May 1st and 2nd and then our summer production is going to be the hunchback of Notre Notre Dame and that is going to be the last production under the recreation department. Um I'm not sure if I brought this up in the past that we were in talks with the school. The way that it operates um we use the school facilities. There's staff um from the school that works on our there's a lot of overlap and back and forth so we started discussing with the school could this be an opportunity to keep theater going and they're better suited with their staff to keep it running and and run it with their um fund 80 to help support it. So after the summer production theater will be shifting under the school system. Um and I'm gonna say you know that's one of the things that we're trying to work on more is more collaboration with the school and um I've had talks with um there I'm not sure his title but um that that runs all the outside programs to make sure that we're not overlapping and that we're running programs you know because we're a small community it doesn't make sense for us to compete. So that's one of the things that you know we've looked at um it's going to be better suited to run under the school. So it's not going away it's it's still here for the community it's just going to be run under the school and that same goes with um the safety town program um that was also under recreation but what it is is you're preparing kids a lot you know to be in the school so we would operate the safety town in the school with the school resource officer. So again it's you know it's it's better shifted under the school. Um moving on to our our park and forestry update we um we had a very successful year on our pruning um and and removals were just wrapping up. And the nice thing is um we were able to secure a grant this last year a DNR urban forestry grant that helps cover a lot of the operating costs that just got done submitting that grant um we pruned over a thousand trees um we did a lot of training in there we had some new guys from the street department um it was really well exciting for me probably not exciting as much for them with the pruning but um they're starting to really see the effects of of what we're doing um you know a good case and point was that windstorm we were just talking about came through and we had nearly 70 mile an hour winds we really only had three trees that caused major damage and I and I think back to when I had first started here we we would when we got storms we would get a lot of uh you're really starting to see a turn with a lot less damage um when things are properly taken care of um so we are out stump grinding right now and the um we'll start digging holes next week and the planting um our spring planting trees for the street trees will be planting roughly a hundred street trees we did have some some photos of the guys we did some pruning up at Colbach Park I mean a lot of overgrown invasives in there um this is uh the middle pictures I'm not showing up no am I yeah shouldn't this just be sharing my screen though okay yeah I guess I assumed this was coming off your computer but it is but it's not actually what you wanted right at this point well I'll see if I can I'll see if I can pull those those up later okay well I can I can pull up the pictures after I go through um staff hiring update um summer staff we're getting a lot of positions coming in um as I and I were just kind of working through the the pool staff and um where we are where we're at on that um so I'm gonna start interviewing the seasonal positions for the pool as early as next week the rec supervisor position to replace um Beth who has been gone for a few weeks now we're down to two very strong candidates very happy with both it's a tough decision but we'll be narrowing that down this week we do have an aquatics coordinator slash head guard that's just more of a management position to help with the pool so the good news is we're in we're in a good position with the pool it was um you know it's a it's a very uh labor intensive uh program I guess um throughout the whole summer so I think we have almost 40's um seasonal staff there so um the confident we're going to have a good year there will be some some new faces but they have backgrounds in pool and um we do have a lot of returning staff um then I can go into I'd like to go into a little bit of that could I just I wanted to ask a couple of questions about these before we move maybe move on into those things uh one thing on on the pool update and I'm kind of passing on a concern or a question that was asked me by a constituent are we do we go when we before we put the stuff out the the chairs and this kind of thing do we kind of go over those and maybe get rid of ones that are not or maybe test them to make sure that they're yeah going to be able to carry weight and everything like that and get rid of any that are torn and yeah we we go through and may um I'm probably going to get a little bit more involved with that this year um I noticed last year we did have some chairs that ended up and we did go through and we had to remove a lot of the chairs but um we we have an opening day or a pool cleaning day with the entire staff mid-May where we put everything out go through everything wash everything down house all that um and then get everything set prior to our opening okay that's good and then do we periodically kind of review I mean our staff like told you know keep an eye out for something that might happen so you know just so that we don't have something out there that somebody might sit down on and just yeah right to the ground or something so particularly if they're grandparents or something like that no anyone could get you know yeah we do and I did I'll be honest I did notice that um last year there was a few instances that I had to bring that back to attention that you can be a little bit more stern with that for that reason so that'll be definitely um close eye on and uh something that uh when you were talking about the pruning and this type of thing I wanted to ask uh is that is the reason is part of that the fact that you we get rid of all the dead stuff that's on there but also maybe thin out the canopy a little so it doesn't catch as much wind yeah you're structurally pruning to some part of the main thing is a lot of times they'll develop uh codominant stems um weak stems that can cause ultimately cause failure on the tree um in wind storms whatnot um yeah it does reduce wind load as well but um and then on top of that because of where the trees are we have to clear or raise them clearance pruning so there's there's several approaches um and the way we went out at this year is we in the beginning of the season we focused on structural pruning where we were able to spend a lot of the time and we did uh about 250 trees structurally pruned then we had to shift our focus more to clearance pruning into a lot more clearance pruning because you're not going through the whole trees but in this instance it's finding that balance to make sure we're getting both things done okay good thank you yes i have two questions how freak i don't know anything of relay about pool cleaning but how frequently is the bottom of the pool cleaned especially in the lap lanes so that should be done weekly where we have uh we've got a robot that goes in there and is that runs at night throughout the night and okay scrubs it um and then you know depending on um you know if there's need it is scrub too okay so i did notice last year that there was algae build up and again that was i'll take the blame for it but that was part of what the aquatics coordinator i was kind of leaning on they were returning it was my first time going through a season of the pool so i need to be more involved to make sure these things are getting done because once it gets beyond it's hard to go back right so it's something that really needs to be kept up on and it did get a little bit too far last year and it was hard to hard to get rid of once it's there okay the other question i have is we talked about um evaluations after like a soccer program or swimming lessons did we ever follow up with that at all so i did i did ask and what what i was told is that we were putting those out and getting little to no returns um so i don't i don't know it's something i can talk with zia about if we can add that in you know maybe um you know something that i work with with the last program manager and um she said that you know they try to this but it failed but i i think with this new it's it's going to be community activity supervisor is the title now um i would like to open that back up because i think there's ways to probably do it now that are automated and a little bit easier that you could get the feedback or maybe it was maybe it was just a form or something that people didn't right and i don't know if it was sent by how it was managed but i think it's important that we do that yeah i'm i'm very open to that so i i will um i will talk with the new community activity supervisor to yeah i know now and a lot of things kind of isn't just this but i i get a text that will ask me to evaluate something i get an email and and then i'll get reminders so i think you know that yeah it would be a maybe i think there's probably much easier ways now that we'll get um probably a much stronger response if it's easy for people and is it anonymous do you know that because some people if people have a concern or complaint they may not want i mean it's just human nature but they may not want their name associated with yeah negative comment or constructive i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know whenever somebody brings it up to me i i i really try to because i mean i'll get them a lot where it's just trees and um you know things like that or things in the park and the most part you know people are respectful about it and it's we can't see everything so right right um yeah i'm i'm open and i want to know so yeah i i think that's a great idea to have it um have it sent anonymous and then and then we'll we'll see and we can evaluate what kind of returns we're getting if we're getting people we'll keep it it i i don't think it's going to take much to do okay um what's that i'll i'll um i'll get a little bit of a overview of the uh let's see why okay okay that's what's going on is the presentation was overriding everything like you said down um so uh the valley creek corridor um we've been working with stan tech on this um this just kind of an overview and a bit of a presentation that they gave us so i'll piece through some of this um i'm not directly involved with all of it but i i do know a lot about it um and you know i've i've seen actions of this creek you know from from just from working for the city for the 15 years of of how flashy it can get in heavy rainstorms um we have made attempts over the years to to try and you know just open these things up but with our staff i i can recall a few years back we went in there when it was frozen with an excavator and a a crew of five for almost a month and we cleared it out but um i think with a couple of heavy rains by the next year you couldn't even tell we we touched anything um so it it was going to take something bigger um and you know we we have had you know a few flooding issues um so so valley creek stems all the way this is just a picture of uh this is about halfway between jacks and inhales trails of showing you what happens with that um bank it you know what happens here is it just keeps undercutting and what you're end up seeing in the future is as that keeps undercutting you're going to start having more major events where major collapses come in and then that starts changing the whole landscape um so um valley creek stems all the way up from birchwood hills um you know comes down through where areas that are affected that we have i mean other than we do have sanitary sewer and and you know other drains that come through there um but we have birchwood hills where it starts we have anton park our community gardens whitefish park upper lake park um gunther park and then north beach which isn't really effective but it just kind of give you a um relevance of where this is so um some of the things that you know is happening through here is different photos um you know they've tried with the heavy stone um heavy blocks um there it's nothing can stop if if you've ever seen what this creek looks like after a heavy rain it's it's continuously undercutting um the stabilization and then on top of it we've had all the ash trees that have went down there's several willow trees that have went in there you know it's just it's a recipe for just continued um failure on those those banks so the main focus is going to be the ecology funding primarily through grants um they're they're going to talk more about this at council um you know as i said this is um i'm not i'm not leading this but um there has been um 1.4 million so far in uh in grants um and working on the um stream design and i believe the final stream design is is coming up um in april so again um some of the goals uh restoration of the watershed improve water quality better public access um and resilient to two floods um give you an idea like um you know our culvert um we were talking about that earlier it's there's there's no way that that that culvert can handle the amount of water that comes through that that creek so um you know we are looking at opening that up and i've got some slides down further um in veterans park so there has been a lot of uh communication about this um we've we've had several uh input from from different avenues on this um again stantex is really leading the design on it but agencies involved um coastal management program the dnr um senator baldwin was here um visited and was very supportive of the project so we're always looking for different avenues and partnerships to to work with and i think this will really open it up if it's more accessible because right now it's it's it's not very accessible we do have the trails that go through there and the mountain bike trails but um there's a lot of steep banks and um it's just it's not i think there's an area of opportunity for it um it's all going to be nature based so when you look at what's down there's there's ways to there's ways to move and utilize a lot of that down down wood and um once you you find the the natural flow of that stream you're not going to have things as flashy and you're not going to have as much undercutting and um you you can create that that uh the banks to withstand those heavy heavy rain flows by opening up that um basin this kind of gives um you know a few ideas of of how that is you recreate um the basin that that it's not going to be is is sharp of banks just a few more slides on that um here's some examples of you know what we have and it's a lot a lot more aesthetic um and and healthier that you're not going to have uh these exposed pipes for drainage um this is the Walter Street ravine probably not you can see this if you look for it when you're when you're walking um up the creek that's that's to the west looking west i'm going towards Walter Street um these are just some bridge ideas these are again our concept designs um up by up by ant one you go with culvert or single span bridges but yeah to kind of give you an example you know just the pictures on the right of it's just a lot more attractive of i think i have a few other pictures that i can you should mention that we when during that open house we did have a pretty good turnout here with a lot i thought a lot of positive comments and and some good questions you know some it was i think in my opinion was one of the better uh presentations like that that we've had with good feedback and um yeah um there's been a lot of planning going into this so there's just you know a few more um slides of of the proposed areas that we're looking at um and then you know on top of it this all kind of stems from the agricultural land at the north of of bertuit hills and i was concerned when i first heard about that development that is starting to gain traction um in just north of bertuit hills i can't think of the the name of it right now but um they do have once that development goes in there's going to be a stormwater management plan that's really going to help reduce the water feeding into valley creek now this is you know nearly a two-mile span from there so you're still going to be collecting a lot of water coming in um throughout here so it's still important that this gets done but reducing a lot of water from the from the headwater um is going to really help too i'll show i've got some other larger pictures of proposed plans down at um veterans park that i can share with you can i interrupt for one moment so the edge of the stream where it goes into the lake if the houses are built and they have a stormwater management plan is there any chance that at the end there it goes into the lake it becomes more of a dry bed or more of a trickle depending on rain so are you saying like like down when it hits the lake well in that in veterans park where we plan on having it exposed yeah i i don't think that it's going to be a heavy flow and it right now i mean it isn't either right if you go look at it right now like so but if it's even reduced more because of the length of the stream might it diminish the issue i would say that there's still there's still going to be it's more that stormwater management is going to kick in when you have a heavy heavy rain flow that it's that you're not going to get hit you're still getting all the same water collecting during normal periods it's during those high storms high flashy events that it's going to reduce heavy rain but um you know how i don't know how much water is moving through there on a regular basis okay just because it's closed and um but i i would say that it's it's not going to be like a deep river going through there it'll be it'll be low so to give you um an idea here um this is one of the the concept ideas of veterans park it would be so right now if you can see my cursor over here um right now we have this whole parking lot you know with we've got the slanted stalls here and then we've got two-sided parking coming over here this would be reduced to a walking path going through those two red lines would be the walking path and then we would have parking coming out onto Lake Street at the base of the hill there would be a small gap there um and i think this you know they're still working on this then where we do have the asphalt pad over here that would be increased in size um because this would be opened up over here where we have the playground um we would remove the playground then we'd be looking at adding a smaller footprint of a playground um i've been looking at some different options for that they have some taller slide options um it would be a smaller but you would you would still have you know close to the same amount of amenities it would just be more of an upright piece there's some ash trees that over here that we've been treating but they're not they're not in great shape um so we would put them over right now they have this placed on the on top of the tent um but this is still you know concept um plans and not a hundred percent but that's that's where i would look at moving shifting that that playground over to um so that still allow the tents to go up um you still have parking over here um and i think the way they had it you were at close to even or um maybe a couple of spots lost with the change there wouldn't be an ability or a reason why they couldn't put it like on the that top parking map by the striped tent to the right of that where there's that big opening between the two buildings you you couldn't put it in there about right right above there keep going a little bit right in there yes the playground yes because the bathrooms are right there people with children they would be away from the road they'd be away from the stream they would be away from in front of the yacht club they would be yeah i can say i mean we have those we do have those trees all in there um but i don't think they're i'll take a look at that um i know we have those those conifer trees in there but um there might be a way for for that to work too um it just seems like a safer place yeah where's the ban shell yeah the ban shell wait oh is this the no i'm confused um right here yeah it is yeah this is the ban shell and then we shift to the right these are the evergreens this is the spot you're talking about yeah i'm sorry that that looked like open space just from the the grainy sorry all of the parking um currently right through there that's all going to be gone is that what you're saying this so this red double red line would be the new walking path right this would all be regraded because right now you have the walking path and then you've got a steep cut off right that goes down here so this would all be removed okay and regraded to a gentle slope and then you'd have your walking path so then you would have one row of parking okay all the way through that you would access from lake street got it my understanding is that same number of parking spaces what has changed is that those 10 15 spaces that were extra long for yeah trailers that's what we will lose okay and i think they might have said now that we might actually have two fewer parking spaces or something like that because they were yeah there were a couple that were they were concerned about and then right where if it comes somebody's coming down the hill and from my understanding there may be an opportunity to do trailer parking behind the in the county parking lot which would be the same distance because that parking lot is generally empty yeah all we can for sure it was actually i think we counted it was like 180 feet they were both about the same distance to the marina but i'll take a look at that space between there and see if there would be enough room to put that in there and the reason you're doing the relocation of playground is that I bred that yeah because that that is pretty much right over the the playground is right over the culvert right now okay or just to the south of it okay so what did you when you that was open yeah oh okay okay so yeah and you know as a yeah when do you hope to have it completed that's going to depend on on the funding okay and where are we with funding like 50 percent that's a good question now it's i know they're i think it's going to council next next week i came through came through public works last didn't yeah i was voted on at public works so i i believe it's on the agenda for for next week okay and i know i know you said tami baldwin supports that how just like with yay good job or behind you or something yeah i don't as i said i you know when they they came they visited i don't know yeah as far as i know that's how it started i'm not gonna sugar going no that's okay i'm just wondering i mean is there funding that she's working on yeah there was there were some grants that she was kind of she helped us with yeah i think okay rob might have the rob rob rob was going to lead on this i just i wanted to bring it to the attention of the park or just because you know it's going to be affecting one of our parks so that's that's where i came in but um you know i'll likely be a little bit more involved now is the park um the playground equipment able to be reused or is it seen better days it's it's over 20 years old now oh wow okay all right so there is and once you i did we did an inspection on it um we do full inspections we do a full inspection with our insurance every three years but we also do staff inspections annually and um there's it's it's getting to the point where you know some of those plastic pieces they're not replaceable either and you can't you can't make any adjustments to playground equipment like they're very strict about that like if uh swing fails i can't go it has to be that specific swing for that um we've had some issues with that where i've had to take just swing sets down because i can't replace the swing because they stop making it and you know oftentimes you know that'll be the case when something's 20 years old okay so yeah i don't think there's there's much that can be done with the playground um and they're buried in really heavy footings so by the time you start trying to move it you're you're almost you're better off and and they do have um the technology with these um playgrounds is really increased so you can do a much smaller footprint um you know and since then possibly playground has went in so this playground really doesn't get used that heavy the main the main time that it's used is when we do have festivals or music bring their kids down and give them a chance to play and it's it's almost i guess it's just my opinion you know if you are watching an event at the band shell if you could have the playground in front of you instead of behind you you know because the kids are playing back here as my experience do remember going there and i'm like oh my god where's my kid and i find him like he's in the slide but you need a thought is you know are they by the lake um so yeah but not over yeah good yeah so i mean there there may be i'll look into um because i'm always open and suggestions for these things and this is you know this has been very fluid so a lot of this is is you know just kind of coming with these concept designs so any other questions with with this um again this will be going to discuss more at council that they might have a little bit more information to answer to if you come to the council but jane i think i think that's a good question i'll make sure we get an answer to we'll ask that question at council about uh what percentage of the funding we have now and maybe a timeline are you done with your presentation can i do a couple follow up questions on this yeah okay well it just it's what the things we've talked about um so you talked about a community activity director that's a new position it's replacing a position but a new title yes okay it's replacing the recreation program manager and has that been posted filled what's this that posted interviewed that's the one that we're down to two candidates for okay sorry i missed that yeah that's right i said we've narrowed down to two candidates we'll be making a decision by the end of the week okay and then i agree with jane about the follow up on the evaluations if it's electronic and it was previously done in paper form statistically you always get a low response in paper yeah um and my my guess is that may have been what was going on in the past yeah um how has i noticed that you talked about like lots of t-ball registration now that we've gone to electronic registration they're finding the site no one's been calling about not being able to find it because i know you gave us a demonstration on that there everyone seems to be okay with that yeah i i don't know maybe zia i can lean on you a little bit if you've gotten feedback um but from my gathering i haven't gotten um calls or concerns as much i was wanting and i think that you helped me out with it but i was trying to get on the site just to gather information about gymnastics for three-year-olds and i couldn't do it it was you just it one not pop up i couldn't i'm just like so i finally called you um then when i went back on because it's you know you get this message and it says click here for registration while though i couldn't even find the gymnastics for little people i i i'm thinking i'm thinking that the website's not super easy to navigate i i i just don't think it is maybe it was just that particular time because it won't even come up gymnastics it went right to use sports and then there was no category for for gymnastics and younger kids um but then when i went on it like a number of days later i was able to find it so i don't know if it was just glitchy that day or what but but it's it's a touch frustrating yeah i i don't know if it's i know when you you google it and we kind of went through that once you're out of once you're in direct desk which is that do we do this as a committee or did you do that when when did we do this we did it here yeah it was right before you came up oh okay okay and we added some tabs to try to make it but it it's a little bit and we're a little bit limited because rec desk is the software that we use for and we've searched all avenues of how we can make that as user-friendly okay unless we are to change the whole platform which i could certainly look into but that would be a process and um i i don't know we i don't think we've been getting a lot of complaints on it from that's great or you know maybe people are stopping in too to register i don't know if people stopping in person or we don't have a zombie site out there yet do we i mean because i know sometimes it's hard to take old sites down no i've had i haven't had it with the port thing but i've had a couple things where i was looking for something i found myself on a site that wasn't really operating anymore but it's it still shows up on your searches we shouldn't and i don't know if you've been getting any kind of because we had she said roughly $7,500 worth of registration comes through on the first day and i don't know if you've been getting feedback on complaints or can you maybe use the mic just in case yeah we had two calls today but they were new they've never worked the program before so they were new to the program and after walking them through that it was pretty simple i think they just missed a tab or two for that and then the about the old websites that weren't active anymore we do have a parks and rec website that is still that is still active but it's not city it's not run through the city it was from the last time it was active for probably 2016 and because we don't have any management rights over it we can't kill it ask them to take it down if it was obviously yeah yeah okay but overall you feel like it's worked out better and because no are you full time with park and recs because there's another position that's halftime or is that you i'm full time with it so i'm here money through friday eight to four i do most of the registrations i'm at city hall so when people do come in for in-person registrations i take them in as well okay and then but there is another part time that's shared with senior center that's the that's the position the pool that's the position that we're hiring for that was the program manager oh okay so the program manager's position which is now community activity supervisor is is the title um we'll oversee the pool um we'll be Zai's role is administrative assistant so she's handling you know all the registration everything feedback like that program manager is going to be more involved with running the programs um overseeing the pool and then also working with the senior center outside of the pool hours so that that's where that and that's a part-time position that's also full time oh that's full time but it's split among different departments got it yeah split between the senior center and the so i have another pool question sorry to be that's okay i'm a tevby downer but when the pool when people want to do lap swimming like i know many people like to go early in the morning and they get there and it's closed and it's like how can we get the word out when the when the pool is closed um i understand of course with weather that's just common sense but there've been times where you know it's not we had two times last year that a kid overslapped that i can see that happening in part and part of the and trust me because i used to swim a lot in the mornings and if you build up enough courage to get yourself up and go swimming before work and you get there so i agree with the frustration on that um we do if the temperature is below i i think we were gonna post it that we're in conjunction with all the other area pools it's auto is 67 degrees and it was a recommendation by the by the state then we close but we'll post that on where on our website okay on the park and back or on the website it's usually we usually post it on social media so if you follow us on facebook and instagram we do have a pirate's hollow page and we usually update it there do you know about that but i think for many people they are not on you know people aren't on social media i think we need to have it in another location as well was there i mean if they're not on social media usually this decision happens right away so i don't know how you could get it to them i i don't i don't i mean so you post it on i mean can you just post it on the website not part of social media that people i don't know i'm just saying yeah you know what you know how frustrating it is no i know but i mean it's just like how can we improve the ability to if it's if it's if it's a reason for being too cold that we close i i don't know yeah i guess if you look on i think social media is is probably your best bet i think we're going to get the strongest for instant results so social media pirates hollow okay i'm trying i can't get it to come up okay well well anyway i so now i got it okay so now i have a couple more questions so i had asked for a budget line it's still not included but i noticed that's still part of the charter that we're supposed to be monitoring the budget but if we don't ever see the budget how are we to monitor so i i did talk with mark the finance director about that and i will include that in our next one because it'll be he doesn't he hasn't put out the first quarter budget yet i would have brought it to this one but he posted the quarterly budget so he doesn't ever do monthly no he does it quarterly okay okay so at the next meeting i'll i'll have it on there okay and last question for me hopefully tonight update on the elephant slide slash sign elephant park elephant park the slide was taken away yeah it's done it's been refurbished it's at the shop um we'll put it we have to put our trees in first because they'll die if i don't get them in um the elephant will forever live you know so we will be putting it up this spring yep i did find pyretala wallop water park on on instagram i didn't look on i didn't look on facebook yet but i did find it on instagram yeah and i don't know i mean maybe um um maybe maybe we make some kind of of post that just letting letting people know in advance like just so you know if we reach this temperature you know be prepared we'll we'll be closing the pool especially if you know like this week is going to be especially cold reminder we close about 67 degrees yeah we could even maybe post that right the way of the lap lanes i mean as a sign just at the entrance to the pool yeah yeah yeah and i obviously if someone oversleep you know yeah yeah i yeah well part of the thing that well it's it's the kids but part of the part of the um new full-time position is they're they're going to be coming in in the mornings too so that should correct that because that was one of the things that really bothered me i didn't like the fact that we're relying on because it was it was tricky for me because parks opens up six thirty so i get that crew going and then i come over to the pool so um you know i get i get all the park staff going and i come over to the pool and that happened twice last year where i come over and oh my god nobody's here and there was some very unhappy lap swimmers um so that's uh those are all things i'm glad that i i like really like the feedback because it helps it helps us um adjust things um and then lastly um we have the our our charter that will be presented at not this upcoming it's the next council meeting um so last year i i or um no alderman gasper yeah he's sorry they would like to have um the chair read it you will be i should be out of office by then i i could come to that meeting just as the former chair of the but i don't know if that i i'd i'd want to run that by the mayor and yeah i don't i don't think you can read it so so we'd be looking for someone to read the the charter at council not actually read the whole charter right highlight the highlights of it these were the pictures i was looking for before it was just the forestry crew um that was part of the windstorm jackson street and then again taking down larger ash tree with our spider lift since since you're showing that and i promised no more questions i was mistaken so the area in our triangle park is where we have our christmas tree our holiday tree oh yes so that property that's just to the west of that is that private property or is that city-owned property little of both because i was wondering all those down trees in there are we ever going to if that's our property are we ever going to do anything we go through there on well it's it's every every few years where it builds up we'll take stuff out of there i did have the guys there was two larger down trees in there um and they they've got them down to the ground at least they were both hung up maybe that's what you were seeing like there was two that were hung up they're pretty bad we did get those on the ground time permits we'll get those out of there um but i i would say probably every two years we go through because a lot of those you know just end up falling but um our property kind of down by the christmas tree that's all ours going up that hillside but then as you go up the hill it shifts into the apartments and then everything on jacks and street side we only own about 15 feet from the sidewalks so that's all um theirs but i did meet with a couple of residents last week and they're going to be doing some work there to um remove some of the down trees so going up the hill to upper lake park those the integrity of those trees it's scary because they are just really leaning yeah so i think about three years ago we went through and and took out some of the larger cottonwoods there's two more in there that i have scheduled to take out oh to take out yeah i've been watching them i think your husband actually um sent me an email oh um a while back okay yeah so subconsciously he might have said something yeah i don't know what i mean like we um i drove up there and it's like oh my gosh a big windstorm is that actually they haven't moved there's there's two cottonwoods that i left in there and i really like the canopy i know it's goes over so you want but they are getting to a point where i don't it's not i wouldn't say it's at a level of risk that i'm concerned about right now because i do watch and see if there's any movement on that root plate behind there and they're they're solid um but i can't say nothing you know you never know if you had three heavy days of rain and then a heavy windstorm like anything can happen so um those are slated i've got them on the board to take down okay well i'll tell my house back yeah so he'll he'll see they'll they'll come down i think there's there's two more possibly a third that we'll we'll take out of there and just to just a point of interest on that is when we did take those down a few years back there were numerous complaints i may i just you know you can't win i i understand that and they clearly needed to come down they were dangerous yeah yeah i was trying to find anytime we cut a tree it's like oh yeah end of the world you're trying to find a balance and i'm definitely one obviously that um tries to preserve the the trees the best we can and oh that's good so but but those um when it becomes a level of risk that we don't want to take we'll we'll take them down yeah and i was just wondering what that level of risk was you think it's pretty good pretty good yet for the most part it's not it doesn't even have me concerned right now okay it's just the size of them okay i do have one words the question what does concern you i have another question i want to know like the planters on the streets when do those get planted and who i know yvonne right does she plant them is is she the person who chooses everything to go in the planters or how does that work she we have been shifting more and more that she's doing a little bit more of the designing she works with a nursery okay so some of them are a little bit more shade so um yeah i just uh i think we have the designs laid out um i think that was just wrapping up this last week so those will go in not for a little while yeah right in right in bold yeah but once weather permits they'll okay all right so yeah this is um i just have to have the charter up but um and it goes through the highlights and everything so i can um provide that before the the next let me we should discuss that mary lou would you be willing to do that to be you're the only alderman on the uh on this committee other me so i'd be happy to be you'd be the natural one i think unless you come back as uh well then i'm still not the chairman i'm not is jim mccarle still on that um this his name's not listed he stepped down oh okay well that's too which is too bad because he was very yeah very good for many years many years many years can i just include in there that so we'll need a secretary as well for the board because he did step down so think about that before the next meeting do you want me out what do we need to get some people why do we need a secretary for jim carls was a secretary oh so our board has an official secretary compared to other boards so we need that spot needs to be filled in in addition to the chairperson so we need a chairperson and a secretary yes correct we have and i will say jim jim did probably the best job on minutes i mean the most thorough job on minutes of of any committee that i've ever been involved with he was he was really very thorough he was i used to be amazed by the amount of detail he got into those not that i think anyone who gets the job has to be quite as thorough as he was let's say don't count on me because i did part minutes and there there's nothing in there okay do you want anything else john you want to go over or with us what's that so mary lu's going to do the uh she'll do the presentation for the council at the council and but do you want to kind of go over any other highlights or yeah i've seen this somewhat before um well this is the same that i presented um i think uh an last meeting was was at the last meeting so i haven't changed anything on here um prior to the council if you want to talk with me about it if you okay we can we can go over anything but it's pretty straightforward um my understanding the council is just looking for an overview of this and um so what's that i i don't have anything more okay yes there's any more questions okay so if you have any more questions here's a good time to ask just and the questions are all fine i never feel like you have to as far as i'm concerned the the old idea the only stupid question is the one you didn't ask you know so there's two alderman on the committee will that will another alderman be replaced i don't know there's a it the if you look at the charter it only requires one alderman okay but i we've i think we've had two for quite a number of years no maybe maybe it does now position was was coming to to park and rain i don't that's you know that's that's called and okay i haven't talked with him about it but it's you mean the person who's going yeah i thought i i guess maybe i'm mistaken but i thought that they were automatically coming to this you may be you may be right but it is it is Ted's call so you know he's everyone serves it his be his um okay so we'll go to public comments and appearances and this is your one shot and i did want to just say that i you know this is my last meeting uh with this committee and i wanted to thank you know mary lu and jane and wane and uh dan and also uh and we just talked about him on gem because uh for the help that they've given me over the years i wanted to thank john for uh his uh you know his leadership and filling me in on a lot of things in zai i think you've done a great job since you came on board and it really helped us out uh this is a this has been kind it's kind of a fun committee to be on i am hoping that maybe i will be able to come back to it as a citizen number but uh thanks you all and uh and like uh in the park and recreate and the friends of park and recreation too for uh their support and uh guess that's really all i had um any you know thank you pat for your service we really do appreciate everything that you've given to the community and to this group here thank you thank you all right so i guess we will look for a motion to adjourn a motion to adjourn have a motion do i have a second motion and seconded to adjourn all in favor say aye aye opposed