WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:15.000 We will call this meeting to order at 7 p.m. 00:15.000 --> 00:23.000 Please stand for the pledge. 00:23.000 --> 00:26.000 To the flag in the United States of America. 00:26.000 --> 00:29.000 To the ring of our flag for which it stands, 00:29.000 --> 00:31.000 from the nation, under God, 00:31.000 --> 00:36.000 and to this little liberty and justice for all. 00:36.000 --> 00:57.000 We will now start our public hearing for the North Street Project. 00:57.000 --> 01:05.000 And public hearing will visually start at 7 o'clock. 01:06.000 --> 01:09.000 Go. 01:09.000 --> 01:10.000 It's all yours. 01:10.000 --> 01:11.000 All right. Thank you. 01:11.000 --> 01:12.000 Good evening, everybody. 01:12.000 --> 01:13.000 My name is Jason Femright. 01:13.000 --> 01:16.000 I'm the city engineer for Janesville. 01:16.000 --> 01:18.000 I'm with Bolton and Minks. 01:18.000 --> 01:24.000 I've been with the city as the city engineer for, what, 25 years? 01:24.000 --> 01:29.000 25 years, Clinton and I have been doing certain utility improvements, 01:29.000 --> 01:33.000 capital improvement plans, and working through all these projects 01:33.000 --> 01:36.000 in the great city of Janesville for many years. 01:36.000 --> 01:42.000 We're here tonight for the 2027th Street and Utility Improvement. 01:42.000 --> 01:47.000 And this project is not new to our wish list or wants. 01:47.000 --> 01:49.000 It's been on the capital improvement plan, 01:49.000 --> 01:51.000 if you want to click through Clinton. 01:51.000 --> 01:57.000 Keep out there, please. 01:57.000 --> 02:01.000 So, yeah, this project, again, we're up on North Street 02:01.000 --> 02:06.000 and West and Craig, and then the smallest portion of Skookam Street 02:06.000 --> 02:09.000 between West Street and Mill Street. 02:09.000 --> 02:12.000 This has been on the capital improvement plan for many, many years. 02:12.000 --> 02:17.000 It's just recently come to fruition that we wanted to move this project 02:17.000 --> 02:21.000 from 2029 to 2027. 02:21.000 --> 02:24.000 The other project there is highlighted in blue, 02:24.000 --> 02:28.000 and there's one of the reasons that this came to the top of the list. 02:28.000 --> 02:32.000 Mainly, obviously, the street itself is in really poor condition. 02:32.000 --> 02:34.000 But we've had some recent water main breaks, 02:34.000 --> 02:38.000 and I don't know if you've seen crews out there in the past few years. 02:38.000 --> 02:41.000 We've had over seven water main breaks in that stretch. 02:41.000 --> 02:43.000 So, we didn't want to wait any longer, 02:43.000 --> 02:46.000 throwing good money after a bad understanding that the water main is shot. 02:46.000 --> 02:53.000 So, that's the reason why we flipped lofted it from 29 to 27. 02:53.000 --> 02:57.000 Okay, here's an illustration I'd like to kind of go through. 02:57.000 --> 03:03.000 It's a really nice depiction of everything that goes within a street 03:03.000 --> 03:06.000 in a residential type of an area. 03:06.000 --> 03:09.000 So, we all see the roads that we're driving on. 03:09.000 --> 03:14.000 Obviously, the North Street is a relatively narrow road 03:14.000 --> 03:17.000 with no curbing gutter and no sidewalks. 03:17.000 --> 03:21.000 The goals of this project are to have curbing gutter streets 03:21.000 --> 03:26.000 with 34-foot wide, with a five-foot sidewalk on the south side. 03:26.000 --> 03:28.000 Same with Skokam Street. 03:28.000 --> 03:32.000 Again, similar roadway and the sidewalk on, I believe, 03:32.000 --> 03:34.000 we're talking the west side. 03:34.000 --> 03:38.000 What we don't see is all the stuff that's underneath the ground. 03:38.000 --> 03:41.000 We have, in the green is the sanitary sewer. 03:41.000 --> 03:44.000 Usually, those manholes are in the center of streets, 03:44.000 --> 03:50.000 and that larger sanitary sewer main line is in the middle of the road. 03:50.000 --> 03:55.000 And then, this is the connection from the homes that go out to that sanitary sewer. 03:55.000 --> 04:00.000 That's the sanitary sewer laterals that connect to each one of our homes 04:00.000 --> 04:02.000 that drain the sanitary sewer. 04:02.000 --> 04:04.000 That's not to be confused with the storm sewer. 04:04.000 --> 04:07.000 The storm sewer is in orange. 04:07.000 --> 04:09.000 That carries storm water. 04:09.000 --> 04:11.000 Not sanitary sewer water, but storm water. 04:11.000 --> 04:14.000 We want to make sure that those are separated 04:14.000 --> 04:18.000 so we're not inundating our sanitary sewer with clean water. 04:18.000 --> 04:20.000 So, that's the storm sewer system. 04:20.000 --> 04:23.000 And we're going to be making some significant improvements out there. 04:23.000 --> 04:28.000 Right now, I believe, there's some disjointed drain tiles. 04:28.000 --> 04:30.000 Some of it all drains to one side of the road. 04:30.000 --> 04:33.000 Then it crosses, goes back to an alley. 04:33.000 --> 04:36.000 Some on the very west side goes down the hill 04:36.000 --> 04:38.000 and just goes right into the west street right away there. 04:38.000 --> 04:41.000 So, we're going to be getting catch basins along the roadway 04:41.000 --> 04:45.000 to properly collect the storm water that's out there. 04:45.000 --> 04:49.000 A water ant system, you know, when you see our items out there, 04:49.000 --> 04:54.000 within the north street specifically, there's a four inch cast iron 04:54.000 --> 04:59.000 that, like we mentioned, had over seven documented breaks 04:59.000 --> 05:01.000 and three within the past couple of years. 05:01.000 --> 05:05.000 And then the water services that come to each of the homes, 05:05.000 --> 05:11.000 there's a curb stop in the boulevards that we can turn off the water 05:11.000 --> 05:15.000 and access the connections from there. 05:15.000 --> 05:20.000 Other private utilities, we've got gas, electric, some cable, 05:20.000 --> 05:23.000 or some of those other utilities that can be ending up out 05:23.000 --> 05:25.000 in the public way itself. 05:25.000 --> 05:28.000 So, this is kind of a defection. 05:28.000 --> 05:30.000 I'll explain this more during our open houses 05:30.000 --> 05:33.000 and more opportunities to really talk about what this is 05:33.000 --> 05:34.000 and the specifics of it. 05:34.000 --> 05:38.000 Just wanted to give you kind of a breadth of what we're kind of looking at. 05:42.000 --> 05:45.000 So, this is obviously an illustration that we can't see, 05:45.000 --> 05:49.000 but we're looking at the existing conditions. 05:49.000 --> 05:54.000 Like I mentioned, north street is about a 24 foot wide road. 05:54.000 --> 05:55.000 It doesn't have any curb and gutter. 05:55.000 --> 06:00.000 Originally constructed, it believes in 1972. 06:00.000 --> 06:03.000 School come streets about 18 feet wide, again, 06:03.000 --> 06:04.000 with no curb and gutter. 06:04.000 --> 06:07.000 No sidewalks on north street that exist. 06:07.000 --> 06:10.000 School come streets down here does have just one segment 06:10.000 --> 06:14.000 of sidewalk in front of one property itself. 06:14.000 --> 06:18.000 So, all of those are seeing some significant 06:18.000 --> 06:21.000 inadequacies as far as the level of service, 06:21.000 --> 06:25.000 and then certainly ADA compliance with the water meeting, 06:25.000 --> 06:27.000 or with the sidewalks. 06:27.000 --> 06:31.000 Sanitary sewer on north street, excuse me, 06:31.000 --> 06:35.000 is an eight inch PVC, which PVC is the storm sewer, 06:35.000 --> 06:37.000 or the sanitary sewer that we do use. 06:37.000 --> 06:43.000 Nowadays, that's a little, it must have been one of the first times that PVC was ever used in 1972, 06:43.000 --> 06:47.000 but it's since been televised, we did that in 2015, 06:47.000 --> 06:50.000 where we televised a lot of the city, help us prioritize that, 06:50.000 --> 06:59.000 but we do see some significant spots for infiltration and sags within that sanitary sewer. 06:59.000 --> 07:03.000 Yes, a bunch of deflections within it. 07:03.000 --> 07:07.000 Freecast manholes were put in in 1972, certainly, 07:07.000 --> 07:10.000 and reaching the end of their useful life. 07:10.000 --> 07:15.000 The section of sanitary sewer down on school come street is an eight inch VCP, 07:15.000 --> 07:20.000 that's petrified clay pipe, that's kind of that brown clay pipe that we're used to seeing 07:20.000 --> 07:23.000 in our older sanitary sewer systems. 07:23.000 --> 07:26.000 And again, that's showing some significant amounts of sags, 07:26.000 --> 07:30.000 open joints and roots intruding into that. 07:30.000 --> 07:33.000 So, when we're talking about the sanitary sewer, 07:33.000 --> 07:36.000 I did mention that earlier about trying to keep clear water out of that. 07:36.000 --> 07:42.000 Sanitary sewer only has a certain capacity for what we have used as sanitary water going into it. 07:42.000 --> 07:48.000 If we introduce storm water into it, it inundates the adds, it affects our treatment facilities, 07:48.000 --> 07:50.000 it affects our lift stations, things like that. 07:50.000 --> 07:52.000 So, we want to make sure that those are disconnected. 07:52.000 --> 07:58.000 A couple of different ways water can get in there, it can be direct water that may go into the sanitary sewer, 07:58.000 --> 08:01.000 and it can just be groundwater that's seeping into the crack. 08:01.000 --> 08:05.000 So, goals with this project are really to isolate the sanitary sewer 08:05.000 --> 08:08.000 and the storm sewer and keeping them separated. 08:08.000 --> 08:13.000 Like I mentioned, the water main itself on North Street is that four inch cast iron 08:13.000 --> 08:15.000 with a bunch of breaks. 08:15.000 --> 08:20.000 There are some hydrants that are out there, however, they don't meet the city's current standards 08:20.000 --> 08:24.000 for fire suppression and public safety. 08:24.000 --> 08:28.000 The school constraint is a six inch ductile iron water main. 08:28.000 --> 08:36.000 Sounds like it was put in in 1982 and indicates that water main is six inch DIP, 08:36.000 --> 08:40.000 which is smaller than the city standard of an eight inch. 08:40.000 --> 08:44.000 So, both of those have reached the end of their useful life. 08:44.000 --> 08:49.000 Storm sewer, I did kind of mention that, I don't really want to go into any of the specifics of what's out there. 08:49.000 --> 08:54.000 It's a disjointed system that has some significant challenges running into the properties 08:54.000 --> 08:56.000 and not to the street itself. 08:56.000 --> 09:01.000 So, with the proposed improvements, if you want to jump forward, let's see what have we got next. 09:01.000 --> 09:03.000 Yeah, let's do this. 09:03.000 --> 09:06.000 So, this is kind of the typical section of the road itself. 09:06.000 --> 09:08.000 I know, can you guys see that? 09:08.000 --> 09:11.000 But what we have is a 34 foot wide road. 09:11.000 --> 09:14.000 That's going to be from the face of the curb to the face of the curb. 09:14.000 --> 09:18.000 In other words, concrete, high back curb, like we see in the rest of the community, 09:18.000 --> 09:22.000 you guys are one of the last roads in town to get redone. 09:22.000 --> 09:30.000 So, to be our standard, high back curb, bituminous street with a five foot walk on one side. 09:30.000 --> 09:33.000 It's going to be pushed up towards the right of way. 09:33.000 --> 09:38.000 Obviously, out there we have some challenges with trees and some significant elevation. 09:38.000 --> 09:43.000 So, exact location of the sidewalk is something that's going to be determined once we get into the 09:43.000 --> 09:46.000 design a little bit. 09:46.000 --> 09:50.000 One thing I did want to mention with this is we have these edge drains on either side. 09:50.000 --> 09:58.000 Underneath the curb and gutter itself, we have a tile system that's going to serve two purposes. 09:58.000 --> 10:04.000 The roadway itself, one of the biggest detriments to any of our roadways is the water that's underneath it. 10:04.000 --> 10:07.000 Their freeze-thaw cycles breaks up our roads. 10:07.000 --> 10:09.000 We have clay soils out here. 10:09.000 --> 10:16.000 So, what we wanted to do is get a drainage layer under our pavement that allows that pavement to drain to this drain tile, 10:16.000 --> 10:20.000 and then that goes into the storm sewer and goes out. 10:20.000 --> 10:27.000 We do put in at each property, some of you have sump pumps that may go over land right now. 10:27.000 --> 10:31.000 What we will have is a T location at every property that's out there. 10:31.000 --> 10:36.000 So, if you do have a sump pump, we can coordinate a location within that tile system 10:36.000 --> 10:42.000 and putting in a T structure, so if you did have a sump pump, you could connect that directly to that drain tile 10:42.000 --> 10:48.000 to help get the water off of the yards themselves and recirculating into the basements. 10:48.000 --> 10:51.000 One thing we don't want to put into here is any rough drains. 10:51.000 --> 10:56.000 If you have rough drains that come down, downspouts, that is nothing that we want to put in there. 10:56.000 --> 10:58.000 That's rain water. 10:58.000 --> 11:00.000 We want to talk about the ground water itself. 11:00.000 --> 11:04.000 That was what we were going to do in these drain tiles. 11:04.000 --> 11:06.000 All right. 11:06.000 --> 11:10.000 So, here's the illustration of the road itself. 11:10.000 --> 11:18.000 So, we're going to be doing, like I said, a city standard 34 feet face-to-face with a 5-foot walk. 11:18.000 --> 11:26.000 We will be reviewing the trees that are out there and any required retaining walls to make this work during final design. 11:26.000 --> 11:31.000 There could be some challenges with that, but that's why Eric Houser here, I didn't mention Eric. 11:31.000 --> 11:33.000 Oh, you didn't. 11:33.000 --> 11:35.000 Well, that was our Joel. 11:35.000 --> 11:37.000 I like to call him. 11:37.000 --> 11:39.000 Oh, yeah, sorry. I forgot to do that. 11:39.000 --> 11:40.000 I apologize. 11:40.000 --> 11:45.000 Eric Houser, engineer with our office is going to be helping me out through this project. 11:45.000 --> 11:47.000 You're going to see his face around here. 11:47.000 --> 11:49.000 I think Andy likes that. 11:49.000 --> 11:51.000 He doesn't see me. He sees Joel a little bit more. 11:51.000 --> 11:52.000 So, that's good. 11:52.000 --> 11:57.000 No, Eric's been with our company for many years and he's taken over for me in another community, helping me out 11:57.000 --> 12:01.000 and a little bit more boots on the ground, accessible for things like this. 12:01.000 --> 12:06.000 So, happy to have him involved in helping you guys out and he's going to be a great addition to our team. 12:06.000 --> 12:08.000 Is that good enough? 12:08.000 --> 12:10.000 How much is he paid? 12:10.000 --> 12:12.000 No, I don't know. 12:12.000 --> 12:15.000 Not enough. Obviously, I didn't need with it. 12:15.000 --> 12:23.000 So, yeah, in the Skookam Street itself, again, we'll be that 34-foot-wide road. 12:23.000 --> 12:29.000 Under the pavement section itself, I don't think I need to get into the specific details of that. 12:29.000 --> 12:34.000 Patuminous road, not concrete, patuminous. 12:34.000 --> 12:40.000 Sanitary and sewer improvements, we're going to be doing an 8-inch PVC gravity system. 12:40.000 --> 12:45.000 Within the middle of the road, lateral services will be new sections, PVC, 12:45.000 --> 12:50.000 and those will be extended out to the right of way itself, not all the way to the homes. 12:50.000 --> 12:55.000 We will be coming through and televising the sanitary sewer systems from the homes 12:55.000 --> 12:59.000 out to the main to understand exactly where they go and the condition of those. 12:59.000 --> 13:04.000 So, stay tuned for future discussions as we mobilize a crew to get in here 13:04.000 --> 13:09.000 and to do some of those sanitary lateral televising. 13:09.000 --> 13:16.000 Just like the water main itself, just like the sanitary will be reconstructed with an 8-inch PVC, 13:16.000 --> 13:23.000 similar size pipe, different material as the PVC water main compared to the PVC sanitary sewer. 13:23.000 --> 13:29.000 We'll be doing new valving, adequate hydrant spacing, and then 1-inch water services again. 13:29.000 --> 13:34.000 Out to the right way, we'll have a new curb stop at each property. 13:34.000 --> 13:42.000 Storm sewer itself, we will be extending a new storm sewer out from West Street. 13:42.000 --> 13:46.000 I think we have some drainage challenges down here in the West Street right of way. 13:46.000 --> 13:51.000 We'll work with the county and the county engineer when we get into the design of that. 13:51.000 --> 13:53.000 And then we do have a second system. 13:53.000 --> 14:00.000 As you go up the hill, there's a lower spot here, so we'll be working on how this design works in that region 14:00.000 --> 14:02.000 and how we're going to be discharging that. 14:02.000 --> 14:07.000 That'll reveal itself a little bit more when we jump into final design. 14:08.000 --> 14:10.000 All right. 14:10.000 --> 14:11.000 Skookum now? 14:11.000 --> 14:12.000 Skookum. 14:12.000 --> 14:14.000 Yeah, skookum, very similar type of concept. 14:14.000 --> 14:17.000 One thing I didn't mention is the driveways themselves. 14:17.000 --> 14:20.000 You can see the illustration of driveways there. 14:20.000 --> 14:29.000 We do replace the driveways in in-kind material behind the sidewalk and or behind the concrete aprons. 14:29.000 --> 14:36.000 We will be doing a minimum of 5-foot deep concrete aprons 14:36.000 --> 14:41.000 or to the back of the sidewalk, whatever side you're on, will be concrete. 14:41.000 --> 14:44.000 And then everything behind that will be replaced in kind. 14:44.000 --> 14:48.000 Gravel would be gravel, betuminous, betuminous, and concrete would be concrete. 14:48.000 --> 14:54.000 So that's how we're addressing the driveways themselves. 14:54.000 --> 14:56.000 All right. 14:56.000 --> 14:57.000 What next? 14:57.000 --> 14:58.000 Now the fun part. 14:58.000 --> 14:59.000 Oh, yeah, cost. 14:59.000 --> 15:02.000 It costs a lot of money, so darn it. 15:02.000 --> 15:07.000 Yeah, no, estimated cost is about 1.7 for the North Street. 15:07.000 --> 15:10.000 Skookum is just shy of 400,000. 15:10.000 --> 15:14.000 This is estimated engineering cost based on recent bid numbers. 15:14.000 --> 15:17.000 This is not final bid numbers. 15:17.000 --> 15:19.000 We haven't designed the project or bid the project. 15:19.000 --> 15:31.000 This is the preliminary estimates that we're putting together based on past projects, recent trends in pricing to come up with these numbers. 15:31.000 --> 15:33.000 You want to jump through. 15:33.000 --> 15:36.000 We have the preliminary assessment role. 15:36.000 --> 15:46.000 So Eric did hand out of preliminary assessment role to everybody here that we have prepared again that was based on these estimated costs. 15:46.000 --> 15:51.000 We're following the city of Janesville's assessment policy. 15:51.000 --> 16:00.000 Streets themselves are going to be assessed at 30% of the cost to reconstruct the street based on an accessible front footage basis. 16:00.000 --> 16:09.000 The water sanitary sewer and the storm sewer are assessed 30% of the project cost based on a per each basis. 16:09.000 --> 16:24.000 And the rest of those money, the remaining percentage of the street will be paid by the general fund and the other 70% of the sanitary storm and water be paid by each of those associated enterprise funds. 16:25.000 --> 16:31.000 We're following the city's policy just like every other project that we've done in town is this 30%. 16:31.000 --> 16:37.000 What we're seeing here is obviously construction prices continue to go up as the years go along. 16:37.000 --> 16:41.000 We've seen a big uptick a number of years ago with inflation. 16:41.000 --> 16:44.000 We're seeing that tend to taper off. 16:44.000 --> 16:50.000 But again, we're seeing more than now of what I would classify as normal inflation. 16:50.000 --> 16:53.000 That big jump that we saw a number of years ago. 16:53.000 --> 17:01.000 So again, what we've done is try to do our best estimation of what this project is going to cost with appropriate amount of contingency in there. 17:01.000 --> 17:10.000 So that's the assessments that we put together in this assessment role based on that policy and that we handed out. 17:10.000 --> 17:13.000 So you can find your property on there. 17:13.000 --> 17:21.000 We have done the best estimation that we have for where sewer services, water services are connected to. 17:21.000 --> 17:27.000 And we want to make sure that during construction and or the design that we fully identify. 17:27.000 --> 17:34.000 So if you're getting a service that we're assessing that or if you're not getting a service that we removed that assessment. 17:34.000 --> 17:45.000 So again, this is far from final says preliminary and there's going to be a couple of iterations from this after construction is when we'll formally understand exactly what the assessments are. 17:45.000 --> 17:48.000 But you can see the numbers there. 17:48.000 --> 17:53.000 We have about $89 per foot of street. 17:53.000 --> 18:06.000 $2,200 for sanitary sewer per each water means 3500 and storm sewer is about $2,600 each. 18:06.000 --> 18:07.000 Okay. 18:07.000 --> 18:11.000 Let's go through to a diagram here. 18:11.000 --> 18:12.000 Oh, the diagram. 18:12.000 --> 18:15.000 Yeah. So this is again, how we've identified. 18:15.000 --> 18:20.000 And this is a diagram that we're going to continue to look at making sure that we properly documented. 18:20.000 --> 18:25.000 And who's getting an assessment and or a service at each one of these locations. 18:25.000 --> 18:30.000 So this will continue to update as we as we go through design into construction. 18:30.000 --> 18:31.000 Okay. 18:31.000 --> 18:32.000 Let's schedule. 18:32.000 --> 18:33.000 Yep. 18:33.000 --> 18:34.000 Project schedule. 18:34.000 --> 18:38.000 So we are in the real very early stages of this project. 18:38.000 --> 18:40.000 The council did. 18:40.000 --> 18:45.000 We did hold a work session back in June where we started talking about this. 18:45.000 --> 18:48.000 We prepared this preliminary engineering report. 18:48.000 --> 18:51.000 That's all this information that we're bringing out here tonight. 18:51.000 --> 18:54.000 I presented that to the council in August. 18:54.000 --> 18:58.000 Then they authorized us to move forward to hold this improvement hearing. 18:58.000 --> 18:59.000 That's where we are tonight. 18:59.000 --> 19:03.000 September 14th is holding this improvement hearing. 19:03.000 --> 19:08.000 After this hearing, the council wishes to continue to move forward with the project. 19:08.000 --> 19:14.000 They'll sign a resolution authorizing us to prepare the design plans and specifications. 19:14.000 --> 19:21.000 That's when we get into having surveyors off their topographic surveys, design of the project, 19:21.000 --> 19:28.000 fully understanding what are the impacts to trees, driveway grades, and where the services are. 19:28.000 --> 19:33.000 So it's going to take us some time from when we get started on that design. 19:33.000 --> 19:35.000 We're going to hold an open house. 19:35.000 --> 19:37.000 That was November, Clinton. 19:37.000 --> 19:38.000 Eric and I have talked about. 19:38.000 --> 19:40.000 We're going to move it to December. 19:40.000 --> 19:43.000 Just realizing the kind of work that we need to get done. 19:43.000 --> 19:49.000 We're going to wedge that in there between Thanksgiving and Christmas, whatever makes sense. 19:49.000 --> 19:54.000 These open houses are something that we've found to be very beneficial for property owners to come in here 19:54.000 --> 19:57.000 and not such a formal hearing platform. 19:57.000 --> 19:58.000 We'll have boards out here. 19:58.000 --> 20:00.000 You'll be able to pull Eric aside, myself aside. 20:00.000 --> 20:05.000 We can talk specifically about the concerns that you may have, questions that you have, 20:05.000 --> 20:06.000 get into the details. 20:06.000 --> 20:10.000 As we've gotten into, I would say probably about a 60% design plan. 20:10.000 --> 20:13.000 You really kind of know what things are going to be. 20:13.000 --> 20:15.000 You can properly explain and help answer questions. 20:15.000 --> 20:21.000 It allows you to kind of get a more one-on-one with us to ask those specific questions. 20:21.000 --> 20:23.000 Then bidding. 20:23.000 --> 20:28.000 We'd be bidding this project, which is a very typical schedule that we have on these projects. 20:28.000 --> 20:31.000 We have these pretty good routines on how we're doing this. 20:31.000 --> 20:35.000 Bid opening, first of March, holding assessment hearing. 20:35.000 --> 20:40.000 Another hearing, just like we have here, this is going to be the final assessment hearing. 20:40.000 --> 20:44.000 We're going to have the bid numbers, so we're going to rerun the assessment role. 20:44.000 --> 20:50.000 We're going to know the design of where all the services are and all of the quantities and the bids themselves. 20:50.000 --> 20:56.000 We're going to be rerunning this assessment role with those final bid numbers. 20:57.000 --> 21:06.000 Then the council, at that time, they wish to continue to move forward with that project, would award the contract to a contractor. 21:06.000 --> 21:11.000 Prior to construction, we will hold another open house here at City Hall. 21:11.000 --> 21:14.000 We found this to be a good refresher. 21:14.000 --> 21:22.000 We'll know when the contractor, who the contractor is, and what their first schedule is at this original open house. 21:22.000 --> 21:26.000 All the questions that we asked here that you guys maybe forgot the answers to. 21:26.000 --> 21:27.000 You can bring them back up. 21:27.000 --> 21:35.000 We can meet who's going to be the construction administration person on site and the contractor themselves. 21:35.000 --> 21:42.000 Again, another opportunity to ask questions just before the boots on the ground and the back will start showing up. 21:42.000 --> 21:49.000 Beginning construction, May or June, whatever the contractor wants to do, substantial completion in October. 21:49.000 --> 21:52.000 Final completion is that final wear course. 21:52.000 --> 21:57.000 We're going to pave one layer of the two minutes down towards the end of the year. 21:57.000 --> 22:00.000 There's going to be a lift from the curbing gutter to the bituminous. 22:00.000 --> 22:05.000 We wait one full season, winter season to allow some of that freeze thaw. 22:05.000 --> 22:10.000 There's any settling from the trench since we're doing so much utility work out there. 22:10.000 --> 22:17.000 That final completion is when they put that final lift on there, allowing any of the nuances of the winter season to, 22:17.000 --> 22:22.000 you know, if there was some settling, then we can get that taken care of before we get a nice new surface put on there. 22:22.000 --> 22:25.000 And then that would be June of 2028. 22:25.000 --> 22:28.000 So a lot of work in front of us. 22:28.000 --> 22:32.000 We are on the very early stages of this, but I think we have a good schedule. 22:32.000 --> 22:39.000 And this follows right along with trying to bid this project in a good time frame when contractors are looking for work, 22:39.000 --> 22:42.000 having a full construction season to do the work. 22:42.000 --> 22:48.000 And certainly this size of this project is conducive to a contractor getting in and getting it done in one year. 22:48.000 --> 22:54.000 So I think that is all I. 22:54.000 --> 23:06.000 Yeah, and if I could just add, I would encourage residents to attend these open houses because we've found over the years that they really do help with questions that you may have. 23:06.000 --> 23:10.000 It's a lot nicer, I think, to visit one on one, if that makes sense. 23:10.000 --> 23:12.000 Yeah. 23:12.000 --> 23:14.000 I have a question for you, Jason. 23:14.000 --> 23:23.000 Last time you were here, we briefly discussed putting some diagonal parking stalls near the city park that's there. 23:23.000 --> 23:31.000 We've just named that park after our previous mayor, who just passed away. 23:31.000 --> 23:33.000 I'm not on the park board. 23:33.000 --> 23:36.000 I have no idea what their plans are. 23:36.000 --> 23:41.000 But if we want to make it a useful part, it would certainly be helpful. 23:41.000 --> 23:52.000 And I'm not looking at it being a big ticket item to bump that curb in 20 feet and put in eight diagonal parking spots. 23:52.000 --> 23:59.000 So if you could run that as an option, then we could look at it. 23:59.000 --> 24:00.000 Yeah. 24:00.000 --> 24:05.000 Once we get a survey and we get the initial geometrics, I think we'll run that iteration. 24:05.000 --> 24:07.000 How possible that is, Eric? 24:07.000 --> 24:08.000 Yeah. 24:08.000 --> 24:09.000 Through there. 24:09.000 --> 24:12.000 And figure out what you guys want to do. 24:12.000 --> 24:14.000 There could be some elevation challenges out there. 24:14.000 --> 24:17.000 Nonetheless, let's take a look at it and see what things shake out. 24:17.000 --> 24:18.000 Yep, we can definitely. 24:18.000 --> 24:19.000 All right. 24:19.000 --> 24:23.000 Thank you. 24:23.000 --> 24:26.000 With that, Andy, turn it back over to you and you can open up the public hearing. 24:26.000 --> 24:28.000 Any questions anybody has? 24:28.000 --> 24:29.000 Yeah. 24:29.000 --> 24:32.000 Does anybody have any questions for Jason? 24:32.000 --> 24:36.000 You can come up to the... 24:36.000 --> 24:38.000 Just one other website. 24:38.000 --> 24:41.000 Are you getting a review of the sidewalk on large street? 24:41.000 --> 24:42.000 Yep. 24:42.000 --> 24:43.000 Which side is that going on? 24:43.000 --> 24:48.000 More than likely it can be on the south side, adjacent to the park. 24:48.000 --> 24:51.000 Again, we're still having it done the final design. 24:51.000 --> 24:55.000 There are some challenges out here to figure out what makes them all sense. 24:55.000 --> 25:01.000 Just the logistics of getting it in there with the minimal retaining walls and things like that. 25:01.000 --> 25:05.000 The other question I have is, is there a school where we're outside of the sidewalk? 25:05.000 --> 25:07.000 Is there a rest of the school? 25:07.000 --> 25:08.000 Yes. 25:08.000 --> 25:09.000 No. 25:09.000 --> 25:10.000 Okay. 25:10.000 --> 25:12.000 I'm on a school where we're outside of the sidewalk. 25:12.000 --> 25:14.000 Is that sidewalk have to be cleaned? 25:14.000 --> 25:15.000 That's sad name. 25:15.000 --> 25:18.000 I'm already getting someone to that. 25:18.000 --> 25:21.000 Is there a little more question? 25:21.000 --> 25:22.000 I'm not sure. 25:22.000 --> 25:25.000 I don't think it's cleaned by seven, no. 25:25.000 --> 25:27.000 I know that it's on the... 25:27.000 --> 25:29.000 It's on the route. 25:29.000 --> 25:31.000 Or is it by the end of the day? 25:31.000 --> 25:36.000 I would say they're usually done by the end of the day. 25:36.000 --> 25:41.000 But as far as a time frame, I don't... 25:41.000 --> 25:44.000 We don't really have one, I guess. 25:45.000 --> 25:48.000 Is there going to be enforcement on a day here? 25:48.000 --> 25:50.000 Is there a rest of that? 25:50.000 --> 25:52.000 I'm going to... 25:52.000 --> 25:57.000 That's something we'll have to look into when it comes to... 25:57.000 --> 25:58.000 Our... 25:58.000 --> 26:00.000 About our snow policy. 26:00.000 --> 26:03.000 Yeah, our snow policy is also in review right now. 26:03.000 --> 26:04.000 Okay. 26:04.000 --> 26:07.000 So we can look at that at the same time. 26:08.000 --> 26:16.000 How does anybody else have any questions for Jason? 26:16.000 --> 26:19.000 Is it imperative that we have the sidewalk? 26:19.000 --> 26:25.000 And what would be the cost difference if we didn't have the sidewalk? 26:25.000 --> 26:28.000 Well, we have to have the sidewalk for 88 compliance. 26:28.000 --> 26:30.000 The sidewalk's the city... 26:30.000 --> 26:33.000 Yeah, it's in the city policy to put it inside the walk on the outside of the street. 26:33.000 --> 26:34.000 It's what I'm following. 26:34.000 --> 26:37.000 How long maintenance of that sidewalk? 26:37.000 --> 26:42.000 You look at some of the sidewalks around town and they're really a trip down there. 26:42.000 --> 26:49.000 I know that takes time to get to that point, but... 26:49.000 --> 26:51.000 I don't know that... 26:51.000 --> 26:58.000 I guess by the choice, I'd rather not have the sidewalk. 26:58.000 --> 27:06.000 It would be less trees and less wet, I guess. 27:06.000 --> 27:09.000 And less cost. 27:09.000 --> 27:15.000 Kind of the safety and the ability to have the color. 27:15.000 --> 27:19.000 If you put it down, you can park it in a few lines. 27:19.000 --> 27:22.000 How much further is it going to push it inside? 27:22.000 --> 27:24.000 That doesn't take my tree. 27:24.000 --> 27:25.000 I didn't hear you, Rich. 27:25.000 --> 27:28.000 I said, if you want that night, you're asking me the word you want. 27:28.000 --> 27:33.000 That's going to push the sidewalk further through the green. 27:33.000 --> 27:35.000 What I want you to do is... 27:35.000 --> 27:38.000 How much of that might open your yard? 27:38.000 --> 27:40.000 Taking nothing to clean and dry. 27:40.000 --> 27:42.000 It won't push the whole side of the yard then, David. 27:42.000 --> 27:45.000 You would round out the thing. 27:45.000 --> 27:47.000 I don't know, I mean... 27:47.000 --> 27:50.000 You look at the property line and where everything ends. 27:50.000 --> 27:52.000 What's it going to turn on? 27:52.000 --> 27:55.000 I would just like to wait and see what they come up with. 27:55.000 --> 27:58.000 Yeah, fair enough. 27:58.000 --> 28:02.000 I think realistically, we've got to look at the geometrics and see what we can fit in here. 28:02.000 --> 28:05.000 And with the elevations that are out there. 28:05.000 --> 28:26.000 I guess if you turn to this and for lighting in the street, 28:26.000 --> 28:29.000 obviously trackers, you know, I'm all horn farmers coming across, 28:29.000 --> 28:32.000 you know, they have to go over them one side, 28:32.000 --> 28:35.000 down on the other side, that's glad they can do that. 28:35.000 --> 28:40.000 In the future, you know, how often we're going to have to replace the asphalt, you know. 28:40.000 --> 28:42.000 There's some big trackers that are coming through there. 28:42.000 --> 28:48.000 You know, you're going to wind it, but it's going to be easier for the trackers to come through now. 28:48.000 --> 28:51.000 Who's responsible for all that maintenance in the next, you know, 28:51.000 --> 28:56.000 because they're going to beat the crap out of the asphalt, you know. 28:56.000 --> 29:00.000 Are we going to be out of luck for our research seeing that in the next few years 29:00.000 --> 29:03.000 then do we know after? 29:03.000 --> 29:05.000 Or who's out of luck for that, you know. 29:05.000 --> 29:09.000 Yeah, that's beyond the CIP for overlays and for general maintenance. 29:09.000 --> 29:10.000 And that's all. 29:10.000 --> 29:14.000 The city has not assessed for all those overlays. 29:14.000 --> 29:21.000 The road is going to be wider, but it's also designed for parking on both sides, as my understanding. 29:21.000 --> 29:27.000 So that will keep your driving lanes narrower. 29:28.000 --> 29:36.000 See, if you would go to just some of the other roads that we've reconstructed 29:36.000 --> 29:40.000 and just see how those look, you know, it's going to be the same size. 29:40.000 --> 29:43.000 People are parking on and utilizing those today. 29:43.000 --> 29:46.000 It's going to be a lot different than how you guys see that right now 29:46.000 --> 29:49.000 of this current narrow roadway, falling off the side of it. 29:49.000 --> 29:52.000 You don't want to go off to the side because there's deep ditches and things like that. 29:52.000 --> 29:56.000 So it's going to be a drastically different look up there. 29:57.000 --> 30:01.000 West Allen would be our last one, so. 30:01.000 --> 30:04.000 Is that the same with the North Street? 30:04.000 --> 30:05.000 It will be. 30:05.000 --> 30:06.000 Yep. 30:06.000 --> 30:07.000 It's a 34-foot wide. 30:07.000 --> 30:09.000 That's the city standard that we've had. 30:09.000 --> 30:10.000 Yeah. 30:10.000 --> 30:13.000 Other than old Highway 14 out here, that's obviously a different story altogether. 30:13.000 --> 30:17.000 But, you know. 30:17.000 --> 30:18.000 It may not be the last one. 30:18.000 --> 30:23.000 We have markets redo right here that have nothing. 30:23.000 --> 30:25.000 There's no curb or gutters. 30:25.000 --> 30:29.000 Yeah, gutters. 30:29.000 --> 30:35.000 Do we have any other questions for Jason? 30:35.000 --> 30:37.000 Fire away. 30:37.000 --> 30:38.000 Okay. 30:38.000 --> 30:43.000 So let me first start by saying I'm happy about the road project. 30:43.000 --> 30:45.000 It's been a whole long time. 30:45.000 --> 30:46.000 It didn't go back. 30:46.000 --> 30:48.000 It needed to be done. 30:48.000 --> 30:50.000 So it's real happy about that. 30:51.000 --> 30:58.000 The concern that I have is the proposal and I understand that all of the proposals 30:58.000 --> 31:00.000 initially included cycles. 31:00.000 --> 31:03.000 It's just always the way it is. 31:03.000 --> 31:07.000 But in this particular case, we have no sidewalks on West Street. 31:07.000 --> 31:10.000 We have no sidewalks on Cray. 31:10.000 --> 31:16.000 No sidewalk on West North Street between Maine and Cray. 31:17.000 --> 31:22.000 There's no purpose in putting a sidewalk. 31:22.000 --> 31:27.000 An isolated sidewalk out in the middle of nowhere that has nothing to connect to. 31:27.000 --> 31:35.000 The subdivision, the block of subdivision behind our own, no sidewalks in opinion. 31:35.000 --> 31:43.000 The precedent was set by the council years ago that the Cray Street residents objected to the sidewalk. 31:43.000 --> 31:48.000 So it was proposed in their development. 31:48.000 --> 31:53.000 The council acquiesced and set by the people who put it in a video line. 31:53.000 --> 31:57.000 I tried to pull my neighbor's thing in most people in the world. 31:57.000 --> 32:01.000 I was at eight property workers unanimously. 32:01.000 --> 32:03.000 They know all the sudden. 32:03.000 --> 32:06.000 So I want you to take that and consider the truth. 32:06.000 --> 32:09.000 Maybe that's what it says. 32:10.000 --> 32:11.000 Maybe. 32:11.000 --> 32:12.000 Is there a tree? 32:12.000 --> 32:17.000 In front of an environment, you put the sidewalks on the soft side. 32:17.000 --> 32:20.000 There are a lot of trees that have to go through. 32:20.000 --> 32:26.000 Two of them are the trees that have to go through. 32:26.000 --> 32:28.000 Two of them are half dead already. 32:28.000 --> 32:30.000 So they're going to go regardless. 32:30.000 --> 32:36.000 But the rest of them are lindens and maples and it would look like Alan's trees. 32:37.000 --> 32:41.000 And they're putting the sidewalk in my place. 32:41.000 --> 32:42.000 That's what it says. 32:45.000 --> 32:46.000 Thank you for that. 32:49.000 --> 32:50.000 Do we have anything else? 32:51.000 --> 32:52.000 Yes. 32:52.000 --> 33:01.000 I support the idea of the sidewalk not having the sidewalk, even in the south side. 33:01.000 --> 33:08.000 I think in North side, that would be an evening because there are so many trees on that street. 33:08.000 --> 33:16.000 But I recall that I leave on the North side for a window face or the outside. 33:16.000 --> 33:23.000 Every time there is a storm, the place fills with storm water. 33:23.000 --> 33:32.000 And I see some storming water back into the driveway of all my neighbors. 33:32.000 --> 33:43.000 So again, imagine having an extra space day for sidewalk that would concentrate that water around those house, around those homes. 33:43.000 --> 33:48.000 Because on the other side, there's a hill going up so water falls down. 33:48.000 --> 34:08.000 So I think looking at it from the perspective of a challenge, there would be the sidewalk having an impact on the ones that are already there. 34:12.000 --> 34:13.000 Thank you. 34:13.000 --> 34:20.000 Do we have anything else? 34:20.000 --> 34:21.000 Yes, sir. 34:43.000 --> 34:50.000 Thank you. 34:50.000 --> 34:57.000 Any other comment? 34:57.000 --> 35:22.000 At this time, we will be closing the public hearing at 735. 35:22.000 --> 35:23.000 Thank you, Jason. 35:23.000 --> 35:27.000 Thank you, Eric. 35:27.000 --> 35:41.000 You're welcome. 35:41.000 --> 35:46.000 So attached to... 35:46.000 --> 35:48.000 Thank you. 35:48.000 --> 35:50.000 Thank you. 35:50.000 --> 36:10.000 So we do have a resolution that is attached that you are ordering the improvement. 36:10.000 --> 36:20.000 And you're ordering the put and plan specs together. 36:20.000 --> 36:24.000 I make a motion to adopt resolution 2023. 36:24.000 --> 36:25.000 Second. 36:25.000 --> 36:27.000 I have some discussion. 36:27.000 --> 36:28.000 Okay. 36:28.000 --> 36:32.000 Some of the people have brought up the objection to sidewalk. 36:32.000 --> 36:41.000 Would it be possible to put when you're doing the design or when you're doing with and without the sidewalk? 36:41.000 --> 36:45.000 I would like some direction from you guys if we want to do sidewalk or not. 36:45.000 --> 36:50.000 Realistically, there's some significant design differences if we do sidewalk or not. 36:50.000 --> 36:51.000 How so? 36:51.000 --> 36:57.000 Well, just reviewing the driveway grades, all of the tree impacts, trying to figure out how to make that work. 36:57.000 --> 37:01.000 There's going to be a lot of time if we don't want to do sidewalks. 37:01.000 --> 37:05.000 I would like to... 37:05.000 --> 37:09.000 Well, I mean, probably at least a week's worth of work for sure. 37:09.000 --> 37:12.000 Just doing an iteration with the sidewalks in there. 37:12.000 --> 37:13.000 Well, the materials. 37:13.000 --> 37:16.000 What's the materials for the sidewalk? 37:16.000 --> 37:19.000 Yeah, I mean, the sidewalk is just a preparation. 37:19.000 --> 37:21.000 Just for the design itself. 37:21.000 --> 37:23.000 Also looking at it. 37:23.000 --> 37:30.000 So I mean, because if you put in a sidewalk in here, you know, we have to have the grade such in and around any driveways 37:30.000 --> 37:32.000 keeping that sidewalk flat. 37:32.000 --> 37:36.000 It can change the driveway grades. 37:36.000 --> 37:40.000 It definitely changes the impacts of trees. 37:40.000 --> 37:42.000 So we can... 37:42.000 --> 37:45.000 Do you have any idea how many trees are involved with this? 37:45.000 --> 37:47.000 I don't know. 37:47.000 --> 37:48.000 We'll know. 37:48.000 --> 37:49.000 I mean, we can do this iteration. 37:49.000 --> 37:50.000 We can look at it. 37:50.000 --> 37:51.000 We're going to get the survey. 37:51.000 --> 37:53.000 We can do an initial design. 37:53.000 --> 37:54.000 We can do a... 37:54.000 --> 37:57.000 I can meet with city staff and we can really look at what things are here. 37:57.000 --> 38:02.000 Prior to the open house, before we spent a lot of time and effort trying to design it. 38:02.000 --> 38:05.000 Let's just see what the geometrics look two-dimensional. 38:05.000 --> 38:07.000 Not to mention three-dimensional. 38:07.000 --> 38:08.000 We can definitely do that. 38:08.000 --> 38:14.000 We can see how the parking work looks prior to getting into any of the design. 38:14.000 --> 38:16.000 I think that makes sense. 38:16.000 --> 38:17.000 Can we do that? 38:17.000 --> 38:18.000 I think we should. 38:18.000 --> 38:20.000 As a preliminary before we spend a lot of time... 38:20.000 --> 38:24.000 Before we spend a lot of time when we're cutting cross sections and trying to make those elevations work. 38:24.000 --> 38:26.000 Let's just see how it fits on the ground. 38:26.000 --> 38:30.000 First, count the trees and then kind of go from there. 38:30.000 --> 38:32.000 I think if we do that towards the end of November... 38:32.000 --> 38:37.000 It sounded like there were a lot of the neighborhood that objected to the sidewalk. 38:37.000 --> 38:43.000 Apparently, there was a history of exempting neighborhoods severely. 38:43.000 --> 38:45.000 A couple of stalls. 38:45.000 --> 38:54.000 I would like to pursue the alternative and see if it's not significant, then it's irrelevant. 38:54.000 --> 39:01.000 If it is significant and it costs that labor, then maybe we should reconsider a little bit. 39:01.000 --> 39:02.000 Yeah. 39:02.000 --> 39:09.000 Or if we could possibly, instead of putting the sidewalk back farther, can you put the sidewalk right next to the road? 39:09.000 --> 39:11.000 That is an option. 39:11.000 --> 39:14.000 There's certain challenges with that for snow plowing purposes. 39:14.000 --> 39:16.000 There's no places, no plows come in. 39:16.000 --> 39:18.000 They pile it right on the sidewalk. 39:18.000 --> 39:21.000 Home owners have to take that snow, put it on the street. 39:21.000 --> 39:27.000 It's not ideal, but there are situations where they do put it against the road. 39:27.000 --> 39:30.000 It's just not as ideal as others. 39:30.000 --> 39:37.000 If we're trying to make some continuity work, and there's some big barriers, then I'm all for that. 39:37.000 --> 39:44.000 To do it the entire length would probably be hard to maintain, hard for snow plowing and things like that. 39:44.000 --> 39:47.000 It's something we can at least look at on paper. 39:47.000 --> 39:49.000 Let's look at the two-dimensional way. 39:49.000 --> 39:54.000 Those considerations that we're looking at won't impact our resolution today. 39:54.000 --> 39:55.000 No. 39:55.000 --> 39:58.000 This is part of the design. 39:58.000 --> 40:00.000 This is design information. 40:00.000 --> 40:05.000 Once you authorize us to move forward with design, that's when we dive into these details. 40:05.000 --> 40:06.000 Thank you. 40:06.000 --> 40:13.000 I was just going to mention, sir, half the west half of my sidewalk has a boulevard. 40:13.000 --> 40:15.000 The east half doesn't. 40:15.000 --> 40:20.000 I hate the east half of my sidewalk because it's impossible to get that snow on it. 40:20.000 --> 40:21.000 Yeah. 40:21.000 --> 40:26.000 We've had a sidewalk in front of our house for 20 years at dead end, and we were the only sidewalk on our whole street. 40:26.000 --> 40:28.000 We're on a dead end street. 40:28.000 --> 40:30.000 We're the last house on that street. 40:30.000 --> 40:36.000 We just had a sidewalk in front of our house, but nobody else on the pit, because there was no houses. 40:36.000 --> 40:38.000 It was the weirdest thing. 40:38.000 --> 40:44.000 I get not wanting to have a sidewalk, but I feel like it might be a safety issue. 40:44.000 --> 40:48.000 Safety issue, too, because I know there's a lot of people that walk on that road. 40:48.000 --> 40:50.000 There's a park right there. 40:50.000 --> 41:07.000 I get it that there's no sidewalk corridor that hooks up to it, but I mean, it's still a long stretch that kids aren't walking in the street. 41:07.000 --> 41:08.000 Great. 41:09.000 --> 41:11.000 It's not on the street to me. 41:11.000 --> 41:16.000 So I know Craig Street, we did that project. 41:16.000 --> 41:20.000 So there's probably no sidewalk that's going to happen there any time soon. 41:20.000 --> 41:25.000 West Street is on the county's radar for a project at some point. 41:25.000 --> 41:30.000 So we're talking about not connecting sidewalks today. 41:30.000 --> 41:35.000 Well, if we don't do it now, then in the future, clearly there's not going to be anything. 41:35.000 --> 41:43.000 So this chicken and the egg thing, and this is a question that the councils have had to wrestle with for many of these projects, 41:43.000 --> 41:48.000 because it's not conducive or connected today, but tomorrow it could be. 41:48.000 --> 41:52.000 How many trees are actually going to come down because of the road itself? 41:52.000 --> 41:54.000 There's going to be a number of them. 41:54.000 --> 41:56.000 Yeah, I mean, there's the services that are coming in there. 41:56.000 --> 42:01.000 So when we're here at the open house, tree removals is one of the biggest topics. 42:01.000 --> 42:02.000 It just is. 42:02.000 --> 42:04.000 Can we replace the trees? 42:04.000 --> 42:08.000 We have not been doing that in past projects. 42:08.000 --> 42:09.000 Maybe. 42:09.000 --> 42:11.000 There's at least a dozen that I can call. 42:11.000 --> 42:13.000 It's golf in my head. 42:13.000 --> 42:16.000 And probably closer to 20, help that. 42:16.000 --> 42:17.000 There's other cities. 42:17.000 --> 42:20.000 There's a big maple in front of Ritz and South. 42:20.000 --> 42:25.000 And a couple of others that are quite large. 42:25.000 --> 42:32.000 Trees in public right of way are, you know, it's an ongoing maintenance and it's a challenge for cities to deal with. 42:32.000 --> 42:36.000 In another city where there are city policies when we're coming through with a project, 42:36.000 --> 42:38.000 every tree in the right of way gets removed. 42:38.000 --> 42:40.000 That's a city policy. 42:40.000 --> 42:42.000 And I know it changes the neighborhood. 42:42.000 --> 42:48.000 They do reimburse trees to people that they can put on their property within 10 feet of the right of way. 42:48.000 --> 42:53.000 That's what another city is done because of the maintenance and things like that. 42:53.000 --> 42:56.000 So, but we also living in a town. 42:56.000 --> 42:59.000 When I had full canopyed streets, that's what I love too. 42:59.000 --> 43:02.000 So, it's a tough discussion. 43:02.000 --> 43:04.000 But there is a lot of maintenance. 43:04.000 --> 43:05.000 We've got these ash trees. 43:05.000 --> 43:06.000 Plenty of money. 43:06.000 --> 43:10.000 Public money is going to be spent removing ash trees from public right of way. 43:10.000 --> 43:19.000 So, within this, it's been the city's kind of direction here as we try and limit tree removals to where they have to be removed, 43:19.000 --> 43:21.000 otherwise we try and maintain them. 43:21.000 --> 43:24.000 That's been how we've done our previous designs. 43:24.000 --> 43:28.000 But there will be some trees that will have to come down. 43:28.000 --> 43:38.000 There is a street in town where the residents petitioned for no sidewalks and they all agreed to it. 43:38.000 --> 43:41.000 The city ended up going with that. 43:41.000 --> 43:49.000 And it only saved the residents about $250 each by not having the sidewalks. 43:49.000 --> 43:56.000 So, if they think they're saving money by not putting in them, not the case. 43:57.000 --> 43:59.000 The cost of the walk itself is not. 43:59.000 --> 44:02.000 In the grand scheme of the project isn't huge. 44:02.000 --> 44:04.000 With this project, it could be more trees. 44:04.000 --> 44:07.000 It could be retaining walls trying to make things work with sidewalks. 44:07.000 --> 44:09.000 That's where we could see some significant costs. 44:09.000 --> 44:13.000 But again, we'll get to that when we get into the disaster. 44:13.000 --> 44:15.000 I won't be here in the spring. 44:15.000 --> 44:17.000 I want to put my two cents in. 44:17.000 --> 44:20.000 You'll be here when we have the open house in December. 44:20.000 --> 44:23.000 You've got to come through the donuts. 44:23.000 --> 44:25.000 For the donut. 44:25.000 --> 44:27.000 We have any more discussion on that? 44:27.000 --> 44:29.000 We had a motion and a second. 44:29.000 --> 44:30.000 I'm waiting. 44:30.000 --> 44:32.000 All in favor? 44:32.000 --> 44:33.000 Aye. 44:33.000 --> 44:34.000 Aye. 44:34.000 --> 44:35.000 Pass. 44:35.000 --> 44:36.000 Bye. 44:36.000 --> 44:37.000 Thank you. 44:37.000 --> 44:38.000 All right. 44:38.000 --> 44:39.000 Thanks, guys. 44:39.000 --> 44:40.000 All right. 44:40.000 --> 44:44.000 Approval of the agenda. 44:44.000 --> 44:47.000 All in favor? 44:47.000 --> 44:48.000 Aye. 44:49.000 --> 44:51.000 All in favor? 44:51.000 --> 44:52.000 Aye. 44:52.000 --> 44:53.000 Aye. 44:53.000 --> 44:56.000 Consent agenda. 44:56.000 --> 44:57.000 Okay. 44:57.000 --> 44:59.000 You have the minutes from our last meeting. 44:59.000 --> 45:01.000 And then you have the payables. 45:01.000 --> 45:03.000 And also the receivables. 45:03.000 --> 45:06.000 I was just going to point out a couple of payables. 45:06.000 --> 45:09.000 We do have a maintenance agreement. 45:09.000 --> 45:12.000 For the eight factor at City Hall. 45:12.000 --> 45:15.000 So we updated that agreement here a couple of weeks ago. 45:15.000 --> 45:20.000 There is some costs for Sarah Joe to attend some training. 45:20.000 --> 45:30.000 And on the bottom of page two, we will see the driving range ball picker that was ordered 45:30.000 --> 45:32.000 and purchased. 45:32.000 --> 45:38.000 And then the very last page, there is some work with our overlays crack filling. 45:38.000 --> 45:41.000 You'll see that expense there. 45:41.000 --> 45:45.000 In www.blacktop. 46:05.000 --> 46:10.000 All in favor? 46:10.000 --> 46:11.000 Aye. 46:11.000 --> 46:12.000 Aye. 46:12.000 --> 46:13.000 All in favor? 46:13.000 --> 46:14.000 Aye. 46:15.000 --> 46:16.000 All in favor? 46:16.000 --> 46:17.000 Aye. 46:17.000 --> 46:18.000 Aye. 46:18.000 --> 46:19.000 All in favor? 46:19.000 --> 46:20.000 Aye. 46:20.000 --> 46:21.000 All in favor? 46:21.000 --> 46:22.000 Aye. 46:22.000 --> 46:23.000 Aye. 46:23.000 --> 46:28.000 We have anybody here that would like to speak through public forum? 46:28.000 --> 46:29.000 Thanks. 46:29.000 --> 46:30.000 It's great to be here. 46:30.000 --> 46:33.000 A D-M externally CICA County. 46:33.000 --> 46:34.000 A couple things. 46:34.000 --> 46:38.000 Thanks for putting on such a great public hearing and folks had a chance to listen and 46:38.000 --> 46:40.160 Give some input. 46:40.160 --> 46:45.660 And Jason's comment about West Street being on the Coney's 46:45.660 --> 46:47.880 radar is correct. 46:47.880 --> 46:52.640 I have heard it come from our Coney engineer. 46:52.640 --> 46:56.720 And I absolutely trust your counsel 46:56.720 --> 46:59.280 to make wise and thoughtful decisions. 46:59.280 --> 47:04.120 I will remind you that there are a number of new lots going 47:04.120 --> 47:06.920 in on West Street. 47:07.000 --> 47:11.920 And if you want young families to be able to build there, 47:11.920 --> 47:15.160 and there are kids to be able to bike to school 47:15.160 --> 47:18.640 or walk to school, we've got to be thoughtful about ways 47:18.640 --> 47:22.840 to make that happen. 47:22.840 --> 47:28.960 And from what Jim has told me, obviously, West Street 47:28.960 --> 47:32.080 will go in with a city design with curb and gutter. 47:32.080 --> 47:35.960 Almost certainly, it will not continue 47:35.960 --> 47:40.440 to be a road with no nothing on the side of it. 47:40.440 --> 47:45.520 There is right now a space along the edge to walk along. 47:45.520 --> 47:47.800 And I know that because I walk on there all the time. 47:53.200 --> 47:54.360 So think it through. 47:54.360 --> 47:58.360 I know nobody wants the sidewalk that they have to clean. 47:58.360 --> 48:00.200 And I walk down North Street. 48:00.200 --> 48:04.760 And I love the trees there, too, especially on a hot day. 48:04.760 --> 48:06.960 But I know that you'll make good and thoughtful decisions. 48:06.960 --> 48:09.000 But just keep in mind that if we want 48:09.000 --> 48:12.240 James will to grow, and it is growing in that area, 48:12.240 --> 48:14.960 we need to make sure it's connected. 48:14.960 --> 48:17.280 The other thing I wanted to let you know 48:17.280 --> 48:21.680 is we had anticipated that our judicial center 48:21.680 --> 48:23.840 would break ground this fall. 48:23.840 --> 48:25.960 And that has been pushed back to the spring 48:25.960 --> 48:29.160 for a couple different reasons, most especially 48:29.160 --> 48:33.040 because the state statute, the process 48:33.040 --> 48:36.640 that we are thinking we're going to use to build it, 48:36.640 --> 48:42.760 which is a construction manager at risk, 48:42.760 --> 48:45.720 had some extra steps that we just needed to take time 48:45.720 --> 48:48.880 to make sure we did all the steps the way we're supposed to. 48:48.880 --> 48:52.440 I think right now, we're going to race 48:52.440 --> 48:55.560 through a bunch of things over the next couple months. 48:55.560 --> 49:00.760 And we could be going out for bids on the project 49:00.760 --> 49:02.760 probably in November. 49:02.760 --> 49:08.760 And looking at breaking ground first thing in the spring. 49:08.760 --> 49:12.360 Just for general information, the plan 49:12.360 --> 49:14.640 is for a 40,000-square-foot building. 49:14.640 --> 49:19.040 It will go in directly to the west of the current courthouse, 49:19.040 --> 49:23.200 north of where the law enforcement center is right now. 49:23.200 --> 49:25.280 So if you go by on 2nd Street, and there's 49:25.280 --> 49:27.280 the law enforcement center, and then the courthouse, 49:27.280 --> 49:30.920 and the friend of the courthouse is over here on the east, 49:30.920 --> 49:33.200 it will go to the north of the law enforcement center 49:33.200 --> 49:37.840 and to the west of the courthouse. 49:37.840 --> 49:42.120 It will hold all the judicial-related functions, 49:42.120 --> 49:44.400 including law enforcement, probation. 49:44.400 --> 49:46.000 Courts will all move over there. 49:46.000 --> 49:49.320 All the functions that usually demand a higher level 49:49.320 --> 49:52.520 of security than the normal business of the county. 49:55.080 --> 49:58.120 And eventually, the law enforcement center 49:58.160 --> 50:02.400 will come down, and that spot will become part of the parking 50:02.400 --> 50:05.800 on the south side of the new building. 50:05.800 --> 50:09.760 The long-term plan is for the county functions 50:09.760 --> 50:12.280 that are in the East Annex to move back over 50:12.280 --> 50:15.840 to the courthouse, and so we will have all the county work 50:15.840 --> 50:19.080 on the west side of State Street. 50:19.080 --> 50:23.720 And we won't have constituents who need services 50:23.720 --> 50:25.880 going back and forth between county offices 50:25.880 --> 50:27.680 across one of the busiest roads in town. 50:30.680 --> 50:34.440 And we're going to get ready to try 50:34.440 --> 50:36.920 to set a preliminary levy tomorrow. 50:36.920 --> 50:41.240 And I guess if anybody's got any questions 50:41.240 --> 50:44.920 about anything county, you know I'm always happy to hear it now 50:44.920 --> 50:47.280 or at any time. 50:47.280 --> 50:50.400 If you don't have my business card, I have extras along. 50:50.400 --> 50:52.280 My phone number's on the county website, 50:52.280 --> 50:55.480 and please feel free to reach out. 50:55.480 --> 50:56.280 All right. 50:56.280 --> 50:56.920 Yeah. 50:56.920 --> 50:58.040 See you tomorrow morning. 50:58.040 --> 51:00.480 I'll see you tomorrow morning, and I'll look forward to it. 51:03.680 --> 51:08.680 How do we have anybody else to speak through public forum? 51:08.680 --> 51:11.880 Moving on. 51:11.880 --> 51:13.880 Notice those in communications. 51:13.880 --> 51:15.920 I have none. 51:15.920 --> 51:19.400 I am none. 51:19.400 --> 51:21.200 OK. 51:21.200 --> 51:23.280 Do we know what it is? 51:23.280 --> 51:26.200 Hey, he's always got something to say. 51:26.200 --> 51:27.200 Call for reports. 51:27.200 --> 51:27.960 You got any of them? 51:33.360 --> 51:39.320 Utility board, prior to this meeting, 51:39.320 --> 51:40.760 really not a whole lot going on. 51:40.760 --> 51:45.160 Pates bills for the new project. 51:45.160 --> 51:50.240 Hydrant flushing will be September 28 through October 3. 51:50.240 --> 51:52.520 Potentially into that next following Monday. 51:56.800 --> 52:00.440 Still jumping through some hoops on the led sewer, 52:00.440 --> 52:04.280 led service line stuff. 52:04.280 --> 52:08.680 Hopefully get all that buttoned up next year is the plan, 52:08.680 --> 52:15.400 but routine in nature, as Andrew would call it. 52:15.400 --> 52:17.320 That's all I have. 52:17.320 --> 52:20.560 I'm planning to get back to you. 52:20.560 --> 52:23.840 I have nothing on the stateless meeting 52:23.840 --> 52:27.760 when that's happening at this week, so. 52:27.760 --> 52:28.280 All right. 52:28.280 --> 52:29.280 Nothing. 52:32.080 --> 52:34.360 Oh, administrative report. 52:34.360 --> 52:37.240 Yes, attached is the August reconciliation from the bank. 52:37.240 --> 52:41.240 You also have cash balance report needed last Friday. 52:41.240 --> 52:43.720 The Ray Township did sign that fire contract 52:43.720 --> 52:45.040 that we looked at a couple weeks ago. 52:45.040 --> 52:46.280 They sent that to me. 52:46.280 --> 52:48.760 So I have that on file. 52:48.760 --> 52:54.320 We did receive a little over $2,000 in insurance dividend 52:54.320 --> 52:56.080 payment from the league. 52:56.080 --> 52:59.760 So we split that money up into the different budgets 52:59.760 --> 53:03.120 based on the percentage of that department budget 53:03.120 --> 53:04.160 versus the city budget. 53:04.160 --> 53:07.080 So that's how we do that all the time. 53:07.080 --> 53:14.720 October, I wanted to address Tuesday, October 12. 53:14.720 --> 53:17.040 It is a holiday of which we will be closed. 53:17.040 --> 53:18.960 We can act conduct business. 53:18.960 --> 53:21.200 Can we meet that following Tuesday? 53:21.200 --> 53:22.120 Monday, the 12th. 53:22.120 --> 53:23.720 Monday, the 12th, I'm sorry. 53:23.720 --> 53:25.240 Can we meet Tuesday at the 13th? 53:28.480 --> 53:30.080 I don't see any problem in that. 53:30.080 --> 53:32.000 I guess, no. 53:32.000 --> 53:35.440 Township, did they meet the second Tuesday or the first? 53:35.440 --> 53:36.440 Do you remember? 53:39.720 --> 53:40.720 Where are you asking? 53:40.720 --> 53:41.720 Anybody? 53:41.720 --> 53:42.220 Second. 53:44.720 --> 53:50.720 Anybody's done, shuttle? 53:50.720 --> 53:51.720 Mm-hmm. 53:51.720 --> 53:52.720 Clearly, anybody? 53:52.720 --> 53:53.720 No. 53:53.720 --> 53:54.720 No. 53:54.720 --> 53:55.720 No. 53:55.720 --> 53:59.720 What's the talent script? 53:59.720 --> 54:00.720 It is. 54:00.720 --> 54:01.720 OK. 54:01.720 --> 54:02.720 So we can still do that. 54:02.720 --> 54:03.720 October 13. 54:08.720 --> 54:11.720 And then the only other item I have for you, we just 54:11.720 --> 54:13.720 got another update this morning. 54:13.720 --> 54:17.720 The post office is going to be closed to repair their floor 54:17.720 --> 54:19.720 inside. 54:19.720 --> 54:25.720 So from September 23 to October 13, we are all P.O. box 54:25.720 --> 54:30.720 customers are to go to Waseka to get their mail. 54:30.720 --> 54:32.720 I personally don't have a problem with that. 54:32.720 --> 54:36.720 I'm talking with staff a little bit here the other day. 54:36.720 --> 54:39.720 I don't see staff going to Waseka every day to pick up mail. 54:39.720 --> 54:41.720 I think we'll do it two or three days a week. 54:41.720 --> 54:42.720 That's all right. 54:42.720 --> 54:47.720 You OK with that? 54:47.720 --> 54:48.720 OK. 54:48.720 --> 54:51.720 Seems efficient. 54:51.720 --> 54:54.720 That's all I have for the administrator report. 55:01.720 --> 55:02.720 Motion to approve. 55:02.720 --> 55:03.720 Second. 55:03.720 --> 55:04.720 All in favor? 55:04.720 --> 55:05.720 All right. 55:05.720 --> 55:10.720 Staff reports. 55:10.720 --> 55:13.720 Your department had reports. 55:13.720 --> 55:14.720 Sorry. 55:14.720 --> 55:16.720 We're going to hour and wait until. 55:16.720 --> 55:18.720 We'll be doing this budget here. 55:18.720 --> 55:26.720 We can do that. 55:26.720 --> 55:29.720 General here. 55:29.720 --> 55:31.720 Oh, nothing for admin then? 55:31.720 --> 55:32.720 Nope. 55:32.720 --> 55:35.720 Public safety. 55:35.720 --> 55:36.720 Yeah. 55:36.720 --> 55:41.720 Ivan and Andy, you want to report? 55:41.720 --> 55:43.720 Give us the tea. 55:43.720 --> 55:44.720 Here's the boss. 55:44.720 --> 55:45.720 Go for it. 55:45.720 --> 55:48.720 We had interviews for the chief of police. 55:48.720 --> 55:53.720 Job on Thursday, the staff. 55:53.720 --> 55:57.720 We conducted four interviews that day. 55:58.720 --> 56:10.720 And the committee is recommending that we hire Dan Peach as our next chief of police. 56:10.720 --> 56:16.720 Here in James Hill. 56:16.720 --> 56:20.720 Any discussion on that? 56:20.720 --> 56:22.720 Why? 56:22.720 --> 56:23.720 Why him? 56:24.720 --> 56:27.720 He's a part-time police officer here. 56:27.720 --> 56:28.720 I'm just curious. 56:28.720 --> 56:33.720 But since they're even better, what's the more experience? 56:33.720 --> 56:38.720 What was their determining practice before you chose? 56:38.720 --> 56:42.720 He and other candidates had good interviews. 56:42.720 --> 56:46.720 We felt like he was the best fit.