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We will call this meeting to order at 7 p.m.

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Please stand for the pledge.

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To the flag in the United States of America.

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To the ring of our flag for which it stands,

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from the nation, under God,

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and to this little liberty and justice for all.

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We will now start our public hearing for the North Street Project.

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And public hearing will visually start at 7 o'clock.

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Go.

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It's all yours.

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All right. Thank you.

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Good evening, everybody.

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My name is Jason Femright.

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I'm the city engineer for Janesville.

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I'm with Bolton and Minks.

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I've been with the city as the city engineer for, what, 25 years?

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25 years, Clinton and I have been doing certain utility improvements,

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capital improvement plans, and working through all these projects

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in the great city of Janesville for many years.

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We're here tonight for the 2027th Street and Utility Improvement.

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And this project is not new to our wish list or wants.

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It's been on the capital improvement plan,

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if you want to click through Clinton.

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Keep out there, please.

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So, yeah, this project, again, we're up on North Street

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and West and Craig, and then the smallest portion of Skookam Street

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between West Street and Mill Street.

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This has been on the capital improvement plan for many, many years.

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It's just recently come to fruition that we wanted to move this project

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from 2029 to 2027.

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The other project there is highlighted in blue,

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and there's one of the reasons that this came to the top of the list.

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Mainly, obviously, the street itself is in really poor condition.

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But we've had some recent water main breaks,

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and I don't know if you've seen crews out there in the past few years.

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We've had over seven water main breaks in that stretch.

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So, we didn't want to wait any longer,

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throwing good money after a bad understanding that the water main is shot.

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So, that's the reason why we flipped lofted it from 29 to 27.

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Okay, here's an illustration I'd like to kind of go through.

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It's a really nice depiction of everything that goes within a street

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in a residential type of an area.

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So, we all see the roads that we're driving on.

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Obviously, the North Street is a relatively narrow road

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with no curbing gutter and no sidewalks.

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The goals of this project are to have curbing gutter streets

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with 34-foot wide, with a five-foot sidewalk on the south side.

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Same with Skokam Street.

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Again, similar roadway and the sidewalk on, I believe,

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we're talking the west side.

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What we don't see is all the stuff that's underneath the ground.

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We have, in the green is the sanitary sewer.

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Usually, those manholes are in the center of streets,

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and that larger sanitary sewer main line is in the middle of the road.

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And then, this is the connection from the homes that go out to that sanitary sewer.

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That's the sanitary sewer laterals that connect to each one of our homes

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that drain the sanitary sewer.

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That's not to be confused with the storm sewer.

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The storm sewer is in orange.

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That carries storm water.

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Not sanitary sewer water, but storm water.

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We want to make sure that those are separated

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so we're not inundating our sanitary sewer with clean water.

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So, that's the storm sewer system.

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And we're going to be making some significant improvements out there.

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Right now, I believe, there's some disjointed drain tiles.

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Some of it all drains to one side of the road.

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Then it crosses, goes back to an alley.

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Some on the very west side goes down the hill

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and just goes right into the west street right away there.

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So, we're going to be getting catch basins along the roadway

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to properly collect the storm water that's out there.

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A water ant system, you know, when you see our items out there,

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within the north street specifically, there's a four inch cast iron

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that, like we mentioned, had over seven documented breaks

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and three within the past couple of years.

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And then the water services that come to each of the homes,

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there's a curb stop in the boulevards that we can turn off the water

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and access the connections from there.

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Other private utilities, we've got gas, electric, some cable,

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or some of those other utilities that can be ending up out

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in the public way itself.

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So, this is kind of a defection.

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I'll explain this more during our open houses

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and more opportunities to really talk about what this is

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and the specifics of it.

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Just wanted to give you kind of a breadth of what we're kind of looking at.

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So, this is obviously an illustration that we can't see,

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but we're looking at the existing conditions.

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Like I mentioned, north street is about a 24 foot wide road.

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It doesn't have any curb and gutter.

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Originally constructed, it believes in 1972.

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School come streets about 18 feet wide, again,

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with no curb and gutter.

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No sidewalks on north street that exist.

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School come streets down here does have just one segment

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of sidewalk in front of one property itself.

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So, all of those are seeing some significant

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inadequacies as far as the level of service,

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and then certainly ADA compliance with the water meeting,

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or with the sidewalks.

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Sanitary sewer on north street, excuse me,

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is an eight inch PVC, which PVC is the storm sewer,

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or the sanitary sewer that we do use.

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Nowadays, that's a little, it must have been one of the first times that PVC was ever used in 1972,

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but it's since been televised, we did that in 2015,

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where we televised a lot of the city, help us prioritize that,

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but we do see some significant spots for infiltration and sags within that sanitary sewer.

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Yes, a bunch of deflections within it.

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Freecast manholes were put in in 1972, certainly,

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and reaching the end of their useful life.

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The section of sanitary sewer down on school come street is an eight inch VCP,

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that's petrified clay pipe, that's kind of that brown clay pipe that we're used to seeing

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in our older sanitary sewer systems.

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And again, that's showing some significant amounts of sags,

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open joints and roots intruding into that.

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I did mention that earlier about trying to keep clear water out of that.

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Sanitary sewer only has a certain capacity for what we have used as sanitary water going into it.

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If we introduce storm water into it, it inundates the adds, it affects our treatment facilities,

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it affects our lift stations, things like that.

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So, we want to make sure that those are disconnected.

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A couple of different ways water can get in there, it can be direct water that may go into the sanitary sewer,

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and it can just be groundwater that's seeping into the crack.

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So, goals with this project are really to isolate the sanitary sewer

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and the storm sewer and keeping them separated.

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Like I mentioned, the water main itself on North Street is that four inch cast iron

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with a bunch of breaks.

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There are some hydrants that are out there, however, they don't meet the city's current standards

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for fire suppression and public safety.

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The school constraint is a six inch ductile iron water main.

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Sounds like it was put in in 1982 and indicates that water main is six inch DIP,

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which is smaller than the city standard of an eight inch.

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So, both of those have reached the end of their useful life.

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Storm sewer, I did kind of mention that, I don't really want to go into any of the specifics of what's out there.

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It's a disjointed system that has some significant challenges running into the properties

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and not to the street itself.

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So, with the proposed improvements, if you want to jump forward, let's see what have we got next.

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Yeah, let's do this.

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So, this is kind of the typical section of the road itself.

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I know, can you guys see that?

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But what we have is a 34 foot wide road.

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That's going to be from the face of the curb to the face of the curb.

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In other words, concrete, high back curb, like we see in the rest of the community,

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you guys are one of the last roads in town to get redone.

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So, to be our standard, high back curb, bituminous street with a five foot walk on one side.

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It's going to be pushed up towards the right of way.

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Obviously, out there we have some challenges with trees and some significant elevation.

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design a little bit.

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One thing I did want to mention with this is we have these edge drains on either side.

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Underneath the curb and gutter itself, we have a tile system that's going to serve two purposes.

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The roadway itself, one of the biggest detriments to any of our roadways is the water that's underneath it.

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Their freeze-thaw cycles breaks up our roads.

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We have clay soils out here.

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So, what we wanted to do is get a drainage layer under our pavement that allows that pavement to drain to this drain tile,

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and then that goes into the storm sewer and goes out.

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We do put in at each property, some of you have sump pumps that may go over land right now.

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What we will have is a T location at every property that's out there.

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So, if you do have a sump pump, we can coordinate a location within that tile system

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and putting in a T structure, so if you did have a sump pump, you could connect that directly to that drain tile

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to help get the water off of the yards themselves and recirculating into the basements.

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One thing we don't want to put into here is any rough drains.

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If you have rough drains that come down, downspouts, that is nothing that we want to put in there.

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That's rain water.

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We want to talk about the ground water itself.

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That was what we were going to do in these drain tiles.

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All right.

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So, here's the illustration of the road itself.

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So, we're going to be doing, like I said, a city standard 34 feet face-to-face with a 5-foot walk.

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We will be reviewing the trees that are out there and any required retaining walls to make this work during final design.

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There could be some challenges with that, but that's why Eric Houser here, I didn't mention Eric.

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Oh, you didn't.

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Well, that was our Joel.

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I like to call him.

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Oh, yeah, sorry. I forgot to do that.

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I apologize.

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Eric Houser, engineer with our office is going to be helping me out through this project.

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You're going to see his face around here.

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I think Andy likes that.

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He doesn't see me. He sees Joel a little bit more.

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So, that's good.

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No, Eric's been with our company for many years and he's taken over for me in another community, helping me out

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and a little bit more boots on the ground, accessible for things like this.

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So, happy to have him involved in helping you guys out and he's going to be a great addition to our team.

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Is that good enough?

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How much is he paid?

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No, I don't know.

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Not enough. Obviously, I didn't need with it.

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So, yeah, in the Skookam Street itself, again, we'll be that 34-foot-wide road.

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Under the pavement section itself, I don't think I need to get into the specific details of that.

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Patuminous road, not concrete, patuminous.

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Sanitary and sewer improvements, we're going to be doing an 8-inch PVC gravity system.

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Within the middle of the road, lateral services will be new sections, PVC,

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and those will be extended out to the right of way itself, not all the way to the homes.

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We will be coming through and televising the sanitary sewer systems from the homes

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out to the main to understand exactly where they go and the condition of those.

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So, stay tuned for future discussions as we mobilize a crew to get in here

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and to do some of those sanitary lateral televising.

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Just like the water main itself, just like the sanitary will be reconstructed with an 8-inch PVC,

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similar size pipe, different material as the PVC water main compared to the PVC sanitary sewer.

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We'll be doing new valving, adequate hydrant spacing, and then 1-inch water services again.

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Out to the right way, we'll have a new curb stop at each property.

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Storm sewer itself, we will be extending a new storm sewer out from West Street.

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I think we have some drainage challenges down here in the West Street right of way.

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We'll work with the county and the county engineer when we get into the design of that.

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And then we do have a second system.

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As you go up the hill, there's a lower spot here, so we'll be working on how this design works in that region

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and how we're going to be discharging that.

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That'll reveal itself a little bit more when we jump into final design.

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Skookum now?

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Skookum.

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Yeah, skookum, very similar type of concept.

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One thing I didn't mention is the driveways themselves.

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You can see the illustration of driveways there.

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We do replace the driveways in in-kind material behind the sidewalk and or behind the concrete aprons.

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We will be doing a minimum of 5-foot deep concrete aprons

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or to the back of the sidewalk, whatever side you're on, will be concrete.

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And then everything behind that will be replaced in kind.

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Gravel would be gravel, betuminous, betuminous, and concrete would be concrete.

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So that's how we're addressing the driveways themselves.

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What next?

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Now the fun part.

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Oh, yeah, cost.

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It costs a lot of money, so darn it.

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Yeah, no, estimated cost is about 1.7 for the North Street.

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Skookum is just shy of 400,000.

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This is estimated engineering cost based on recent bid numbers.

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This is not final bid numbers.

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We haven't designed the project or bid the project.

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This is the preliminary estimates that we're putting together based on past projects, recent trends in pricing to come up with these numbers.

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You want to jump through.

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We have the preliminary assessment role.

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So Eric did hand out of preliminary assessment role to everybody here that we have prepared again that was based on these estimated costs.

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We're following the city of Janesville's assessment policy.

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Streets themselves are going to be assessed at 30% of the cost to reconstruct the street based on an accessible front footage basis.

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The water sanitary sewer and the storm sewer are assessed 30% of the project cost based on a per each basis.

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And the rest of those money, the remaining percentage of the street will be paid by the general fund and the other 70% of the sanitary storm and water be paid by each of those associated enterprise funds.

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We're following the city's policy just like every other project that we've done in town is this 30%.

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What we're seeing here is obviously construction prices continue to go up as the years go along.

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We've seen a big uptick a number of years ago with inflation.

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We're seeing that tend to taper off.

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But again, we're seeing more than now of what I would classify as normal inflation.

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That big jump that we saw a number of years ago.

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So again, what we've done is try to do our best estimation of what this project is going to cost with appropriate amount of contingency in there.

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So that's the assessments that we put together in this assessment role based on that policy and that we handed out.

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So you can find your property on there.

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We have done the best estimation that we have for where sewer services, water services are connected to.

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And we want to make sure that during construction and or the design that we fully identify.

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So if you're getting a service that we're assessing that or if you're not getting a service that we removed that assessment.

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So again, this is far from final says preliminary and there's going to be a couple of iterations from this after construction is when we'll formally understand exactly what the assessments are.

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But you can see the numbers there.

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We have about $89 per foot of street.

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$2,200 for sanitary sewer per each water means 3500 and storm sewer is about $2,600 each.

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Okay.

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Let's go through to a diagram here.

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Oh, the diagram.

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Yeah. So this is again, how we've identified.

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And this is a diagram that we're going to continue to look at making sure that we properly documented.

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And who's getting an assessment and or a service at each one of these locations.

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So this will continue to update as we as we go through design into construction.

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Okay.

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Let's schedule.

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Yep.

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Project schedule.

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So we are in the real very early stages of this project.

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The council did.

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We did hold a work session back in June where we started talking about this.

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We prepared this preliminary engineering report.

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That's all this information that we're bringing out here tonight.

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I presented that to the council in August.

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Then they authorized us to move forward to hold this improvement hearing.

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That's where we are tonight.

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September 14th is holding this improvement hearing.

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After this hearing, the council wishes to continue to move forward with the project.

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They'll sign a resolution authorizing us to prepare the design plans and specifications.

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That's when we get into having surveyors off their topographic surveys, design of the project,

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fully understanding what are the impacts to trees, driveway grades, and where the services are.

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So it's going to take us some time from when we get started on that design.

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We're going to hold an open house.

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That was November, Clinton.

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Eric and I have talked about.

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We're going to move it to December.

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Just realizing the kind of work that we need to get done.

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We're going to wedge that in there between Thanksgiving and Christmas, whatever makes sense.

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These open houses are something that we've found to be very beneficial for property owners to come in here

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and not such a formal hearing platform.

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We'll have boards out here.

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You'll be able to pull Eric aside, myself aside.

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We can talk specifically about the concerns that you may have, questions that you have,

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get into the details.

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As we've gotten into, I would say probably about a 60% design plan.

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You really kind of know what things are going to be.

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You can properly explain and help answer questions.

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It allows you to kind of get a more one-on-one with us to ask those specific questions.

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Then bidding.

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We'd be bidding this project, which is a very typical schedule that we have on these projects.

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We have these pretty good routines on how we're doing this.

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Bid opening, first of March, holding assessment hearing.

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Another hearing, just like we have here, this is going to be the final assessment hearing.

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We're going to have the bid numbers, so we're going to rerun the assessment role.

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We're going to know the design of where all the services are and all of the quantities and the bids themselves.

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We're going to be rerunning this assessment role with those final bid numbers.

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Then the council, at that time, they wish to continue to move forward with that project, would award the contract to a contractor.

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Prior to construction, we will hold another open house here at City Hall.

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We found this to be a good refresher.

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We'll know when the contractor, who the contractor is, and what their first schedule is at this original open house.

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All the questions that we asked here that you guys maybe forgot the answers to.

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You can bring them back up.

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We can meet who's going to be the construction administration person on site and the contractor themselves.

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Again, another opportunity to ask questions just before the boots on the ground and the back will start showing up.

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Beginning construction, May or June, whatever the contractor wants to do, substantial completion in October.

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Final completion is that final wear course.

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We're going to pave one layer of the two minutes down towards the end of the year.

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There's going to be a lift from the curbing gutter to the bituminous.

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We wait one full season, winter season to allow some of that freeze thaw.

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There's any settling from the trench since we're doing so much utility work out there.

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That final completion is when they put that final lift on there, allowing any of the nuances of the winter season to,

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you know, if there was some settling, then we can get that taken care of before we get a nice new surface put on there.

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And then that would be June of 2028.

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So a lot of work in front of us.

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We are on the very early stages of this, but I think we have a good schedule.

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And this follows right along with trying to bid this project in a good time frame when contractors are looking for work,

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having a full construction season to do the work.

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And certainly this size of this project is conducive to a contractor getting in and getting it done in one year.

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So I think that is all I.

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Yeah, and if I could just add, I would encourage residents to attend these open houses because we've found over the years that they really do help with questions that you may have.

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It's a lot nicer, I think, to visit one on one, if that makes sense.

331
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Yeah.

332
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I have a question for you, Jason.

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Last time you were here, we briefly discussed putting some diagonal parking stalls near the city park that's there.

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We've just named that park after our previous mayor, who just passed away.

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I'm not on the park board.

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I have no idea what their plans are.

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But if we want to make it a useful part, it would certainly be helpful.

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And I'm not looking at it being a big ticket item to bump that curb in 20 feet and put in eight diagonal parking spots.

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So if you could run that as an option, then we could look at it.

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Yeah.

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Once we get a survey and we get the initial geometrics, I think we'll run that iteration.

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How possible that is, Eric?

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Yeah.

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Through there.

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And figure out what you guys want to do.

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There could be some elevation challenges out there.

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Nonetheless, let's take a look at it and see what things shake out.

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Yep, we can definitely.

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All right.

350
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Thank you.

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With that, Andy, turn it back over to you and you can open up the public hearing.

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Any questions anybody has?

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Yeah.

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Does anybody have any questions for Jason?

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You can come up to the...

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Just one other website.

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Are you getting a review of the sidewalk on large street?

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Yep.

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Which side is that going on?

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More than likely it can be on the south side, adjacent to the park.

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Again, we're still having it done the final design.

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There are some challenges out here to figure out what makes them all sense.

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Just the logistics of getting it in there with the minimal retaining walls and things like that.

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The other question I have is, is there a school where we're outside of the sidewalk?

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Is there a rest of the school?

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Yes.

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No.

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Okay.

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I'm on a school where we're outside of the sidewalk.

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Is that sidewalk have to be cleaned?

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That's sad name.

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I'm already getting someone to that.

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Is there a little more question?

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I'm not sure.

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I don't think it's cleaned by seven, no.

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I know that it's on the...

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It's on the route.

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Or is it by the end of the day?

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I would say they're usually done by the end of the day.

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But as far as a time frame, I don't...

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We don't really have one, I guess.

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Is there going to be enforcement on a day here?

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Is there a rest of that?

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I'm going to...

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That's something we'll have to look into when it comes to...

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Our...

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About our snow policy.

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Yeah, our snow policy is also in review right now.

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Okay.

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So we can look at that at the same time.

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How does anybody else have any questions for Jason?

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Is it imperative that we have the sidewalk?

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And what would be the cost difference if we didn't have the sidewalk?

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Well, we have to have the sidewalk for 88 compliance.

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The sidewalk's the city...

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Yeah, it's in the city policy to put it inside the walk on the outside of the street.

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It's what I'm following.

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How long maintenance of that sidewalk?

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You look at some of the sidewalks around town and they're really a trip down there.

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I know that takes time to get to that point, but...

401
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I don't know that...

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I guess by the choice, I'd rather not have the sidewalk.

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It would be less trees and less wet, I guess.

404
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And less cost.

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Kind of the safety and the ability to have the color.

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If you put it down, you can park it in a few lines.

407
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How much further is it going to push it inside?

408
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That doesn't take my tree.

409
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I didn't hear you, Rich.

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I said, if you want that night, you're asking me the word you want.

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That's going to push the sidewalk further through the green.

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What I want you to do is...

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How much of that might open your yard?

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Taking nothing to clean and dry.

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It won't push the whole side of the yard then, David.

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You would round out the thing.

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I don't know, I mean...

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You look at the property line and where everything ends.

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What's it going to turn on?

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I would just like to wait and see what they come up with.

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Yeah, fair enough.

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I think realistically, we've got to look at the geometrics and see what we can fit in here.

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And with the elevations that are out there.

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I guess if you turn to this and for lighting in the street,

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obviously trackers, you know, I'm all horn farmers coming across,

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you know, they have to go over them one side,

427
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down on the other side, that's glad they can do that.

428
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In the future, you know, how often we're going to have to replace the asphalt, you know.

429
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There's some big trackers that are coming through there.

430
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You know, you're going to wind it, but it's going to be easier for the trackers to come through now.

431
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Who's responsible for all that maintenance in the next, you know,

432
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because they're going to beat the crap out of the asphalt, you know.

433
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Are we going to be out of luck for our research seeing that in the next few years

434
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then do we know after?

435
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Or who's out of luck for that, you know.

436
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Yeah, that's beyond the CIP for overlays and for general maintenance.

437
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And that's all.

438
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The city has not assessed for all those overlays.

439
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The road is going to be wider, but it's also designed for parking on both sides, as my understanding.

440
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So that will keep your driving lanes narrower.

441
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See, if you would go to just some of the other roads that we've reconstructed

442
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and just see how those look, you know, it's going to be the same size.

443
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People are parking on and utilizing those today.

444
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It's going to be a lot different than how you guys see that right now

445
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of this current narrow roadway, falling off the side of it.

446
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You don't want to go off to the side because there's deep ditches and things like that.

447
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So it's going to be a drastically different look up there.

448
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West Allen would be our last one, so.

449
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Is that the same with the North Street?

450
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It will be.

451
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Yep.

452
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It's a 34-foot wide.

453
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That's the city standard that we've had.

454
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Yeah.

455
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Other than old Highway 14 out here, that's obviously a different story altogether.

456
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But, you know.

457
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It may not be the last one.

458
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We have markets redo right here that have nothing.

459
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There's no curb or gutters.

460
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Yeah, gutters.

461
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Do we have any other questions for Jason?

462
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Fire away.

463
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Okay.

464
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So let me first start by saying I'm happy about the road project.

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It's been a whole long time.

466
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It didn't go back.

467
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It needed to be done.

468
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So it's real happy about that.

469
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The concern that I have is the proposal and I understand that all of the proposals

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initially included cycles.

471
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It's just always the way it is.

472
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,000
But in this particular case, we have no sidewalks on West Street.

473
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
We have no sidewalks on Cray.

474
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:16,000
No sidewalk on West North Street between Maine and Cray.

475
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,000
There's no purpose in putting a sidewalk.

476
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,000
An isolated sidewalk out in the middle of nowhere that has nothing to connect to.

477
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:35,000
The subdivision, the block of subdivision behind our own, no sidewalks in opinion.

478
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:43,000
The precedent was set by the council years ago that the Cray Street residents objected to the sidewalk.

479
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,000
So it was proposed in their development.

480
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,000
The council acquiesced and set by the people who put it in a video line.

481
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,000
I tried to pull my neighbor's thing in most people in the world.

482
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,000
I was at eight property workers unanimously.

483
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000
They know all the sudden.

484
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000
So I want you to take that and consider the truth.

485
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Maybe that's what it says.

486
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Maybe.

487
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Is there a tree?

488
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,000
In front of an environment, you put the sidewalks on the soft side.

489
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000
There are a lot of trees that have to go through.

490
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Two of them are the trees that have to go through.

491
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Two of them are half dead already.

492
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000
So they're going to go regardless.

493
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,000
But the rest of them are lindens and maples and it would look like Alan's trees.

494
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,000
And they're putting the sidewalk in my place.

495
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,000
That's what it says.

496
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Thank you for that.

497
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Do we have anything else?

498
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Yes.

499
00:32:52,000 --> 00:33:01,000
I support the idea of the sidewalk not having the sidewalk, even in the south side.

500
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:08,000
I think in North side, that would be an evening because there are so many trees on that street.

501
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:16,000
But I recall that I leave on the North side for a window face or the outside.

502
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Every time there is a storm, the place fills with storm water.

503
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:32,000
And I see some storming water back into the driveway of all my neighbors.

504
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:43,000
So again, imagine having an extra space day for sidewalk that would concentrate that water around those house, around those homes.

505
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Because on the other side, there's a hill going up so water falls down.

506
00:33:48,000 --> 00:34:08,000
So I think looking at it from the perspective of a challenge, there would be the sidewalk having an impact on the ones that are already there.

507
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Thank you.

508
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:20,000
Do we have anything else?

509
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,000
Yes, sir.

510
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Thank you.

511
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Any other comment?

512
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:22,000
At this time, we will be closing the public hearing at 735.

513
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Thank you, Jason.

514
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Thank you, Eric.

515
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:41,000
You're welcome.

516
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,000
So attached to...

517
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Thank you.

518
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Thank you.

519
00:35:50,000 --> 00:36:10,000
So we do have a resolution that is attached that you are ordering the improvement.

520
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:20,000
And you're ordering the put and plan specs together.

521
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000
I make a motion to adopt resolution 2023.

522
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Second.

523
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000
I have some discussion.

524
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Okay.

525
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Some of the people have brought up the objection to sidewalk.

526
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Would it be possible to put when you're doing the design or when you're doing with and without the sidewalk?

527
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000
I would like some direction from you guys if we want to do sidewalk or not.

528
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Realistically, there's some significant design differences if we do sidewalk or not.

529
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,000
How so?

530
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Well, just reviewing the driveway grades, all of the tree impacts, trying to figure out how to make that work.

531
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000
There's going to be a lot of time if we don't want to do sidewalks.

532
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,000
I would like to...

533
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Well, I mean, probably at least a week's worth of work for sure.

534
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Just doing an iteration with the sidewalks in there.

535
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,000
Well, the materials.

536
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,000
What's the materials for the sidewalk?

537
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,000
Yeah, I mean, the sidewalk is just a preparation.

538
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000
Just for the design itself.

539
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Also looking at it.

540
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:30,000
So I mean, because if you put in a sidewalk in here, you know, we have to have the grade such in and around any driveways

541
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000
keeping that sidewalk flat.

542
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,000
It can change the driveway grades.

543
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,000
It definitely changes the impacts of trees.

544
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,000
So we can...

545
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Do you have any idea how many trees are involved with this?

546
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
I don't know.

547
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,000
We'll know.

548
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000
I mean, we can do this iteration.

549
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,000
We can look at it.

550
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,000
We're going to get the survey.

551
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
We can do an initial design.

552
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000
We can do a...

553
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000
I can meet with city staff and we can really look at what things are here.

554
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Prior to the open house, before we spent a lot of time and effort trying to design it.

555
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000
Let's just see what the geometrics look two-dimensional.

556
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Not to mention three-dimensional.

557
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,000
We can definitely do that.

558
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:14,000
We can see how the parking work looks prior to getting into any of the design.

559
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000
I think that makes sense.

560
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Can we do that?

561
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
I think we should.

562
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000
As a preliminary before we spend a lot of time...

563
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Before we spend a lot of time when we're cutting cross sections and trying to make those elevations work.

564
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000
Let's just see how it fits on the ground.

565
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,000
First, count the trees and then kind of go from there.

566
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
I think if we do that towards the end of November...

567
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,000
It sounded like there were a lot of the neighborhood that objected to the sidewalk.

568
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Apparently, there was a history of exempting neighborhoods severely.

569
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
A couple of stalls.

570
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:54,000
I would like to pursue the alternative and see if it's not significant, then it's irrelevant.

571
00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:01,000
If it is significant and it costs that labor, then maybe we should reconsider a little bit.

572
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,000
Yeah.

573
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Or if we could possibly, instead of putting the sidewalk back farther, can you put the sidewalk right next to the road?

574
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,000
That is an option.

575
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
There's certain challenges with that for snow plowing purposes.

576
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,000
There's no places, no plows come in.

577
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000
They pile it right on the sidewalk.

578
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Home owners have to take that snow, put it on the street.

579
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:27,000
It's not ideal, but there are situations where they do put it against the road.

580
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,000
It's just not as ideal as others.

581
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:37,000
If we're trying to make some continuity work, and there's some big barriers, then I'm all for that.

582
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:44,000
To do it the entire length would probably be hard to maintain, hard for snow plowing and things like that.

583
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,000
It's something we can at least look at on paper.

584
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Let's look at the two-dimensional way.

585
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Those considerations that we're looking at won't impact our resolution today.

586
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000
No.

587
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,000
This is part of the design.

588
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
This is design information.

589
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Once you authorize us to move forward with design, that's when we dive into these details.

590
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Thank you.

591
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:13,000
I was just going to mention, sir, half the west half of my sidewalk has a boulevard.

592
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
The east half doesn't.

593
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,000
I hate the east half of my sidewalk because it's impossible to get that snow on it.

594
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Yeah.

595
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,000
We've had a sidewalk in front of our house for 20 years at dead end, and we were the only sidewalk on our whole street.

596
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
We're on a dead end street.

597
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
We're the last house on that street.

598
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,000
We just had a sidewalk in front of our house, but nobody else on the pit, because there was no houses.

599
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
It was the weirdest thing.

600
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:44,000
I get not wanting to have a sidewalk, but I feel like it might be a safety issue.

601
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Safety issue, too, because I know there's a lot of people that walk on that road.

602
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000
There's a park right there.

603
00:40:50,000 --> 00:41:07,000
I get it that there's no sidewalk corridor that hooks up to it, but I mean, it's still a long stretch that kids aren't walking in the street.

604
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Great.

605
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
It's not on the street to me.

606
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,000
So I know Craig Street, we did that project.

607
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,000
So there's probably no sidewalk that's going to happen there any time soon.

608
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,000
West Street is on the county's radar for a project at some point.

609
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,000
So we're talking about not connecting sidewalks today.

610
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Well, if we don't do it now, then in the future, clearly there's not going to be anything.

611
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:43,000
So this chicken and the egg thing, and this is a question that the councils have had to wrestle with for many of these projects,

612
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,000
because it's not conducive or connected today, but tomorrow it could be.

613
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
How many trees are actually going to come down because of the road itself?

614
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
There's going to be a number of them.

615
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000
Yeah, I mean, there's the services that are coming in there.

616
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,000
So when we're here at the open house, tree removals is one of the biggest topics.

617
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000
It just is.

618
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Can we replace the trees?

619
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,000
We have not been doing that in past projects.

620
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Maybe.

621
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
There's at least a dozen that I can call.

622
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
It's golf in my head.

623
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000
And probably closer to 20, help that.

624
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,000
There's other cities.

625
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000
There's a big maple in front of Ritz and South.

626
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,000
And a couple of others that are quite large.

627
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:32,000
Trees in public right of way are, you know, it's an ongoing maintenance and it's a challenge for cities to deal with.

628
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,000
In another city where there are city policies when we're coming through with a project,

629
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
every tree in the right of way gets removed.

630
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
That's a city policy.

631
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
And I know it changes the neighborhood.

632
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:48,000
They do reimburse trees to people that they can put on their property within 10 feet of the right of way.

633
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,000
That's what another city is done because of the maintenance and things like that.

634
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000
So, but we also living in a town.

635
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,000
When I had full canopyed streets, that's what I love too.

636
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,000
So, it's a tough discussion.

637
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,000
But there is a lot of maintenance.

638
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000
We've got these ash trees.

639
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Plenty of money.

640
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Public money is going to be spent removing ash trees from public right of way.

641
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:19,000
So, within this, it's been the city's kind of direction here as we try and limit tree removals to where they have to be removed,

642
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
otherwise we try and maintain them.

643
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,000
That's been how we've done our previous designs.

644
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,000
But there will be some trees that will have to come down.

645
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:38,000
There is a street in town where the residents petitioned for no sidewalks and they all agreed to it.

646
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,000
The city ended up going with that.

647
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:49,000
And it only saved the residents about $250 each by not having the sidewalks.

648
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:56,000
So, if they think they're saving money by not putting in them, not the case.

649
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,000
The cost of the walk itself is not.

650
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000
In the grand scheme of the project isn't huge.

651
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000
With this project, it could be more trees.

652
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,000
It could be retaining walls trying to make things work with sidewalks.

653
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,000
That's where we could see some significant costs.

654
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,000
But again, we'll get to that when we get into the disaster.

655
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000
I won't be here in the spring.

656
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000
I want to put my two cents in.

657
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,000
You'll be here when we have the open house in December.

658
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
You've got to come through the donuts.

659
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
For the donut.

660
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
We have any more discussion on that?

661
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000
We had a motion and a second.

662
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,000
I'm waiting.

663
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
All in favor?

664
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Aye.

665
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,000
Aye.

666
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Pass.

667
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Bye.

668
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Thank you.

669
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,000
All right.

670
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Thanks, guys.

671
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,000
All right.

672
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,000
Approval of the agenda.

673
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,000
All in favor?

674
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Aye.

675
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000
All in favor?

676
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,000
Aye.

677
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Aye.

678
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,000
Consent agenda.

679
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Okay.

680
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,000
You have the minutes from our last meeting.

681
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000
And then you have the payables.

682
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
And also the receivables.

683
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,000
I was just going to point out a couple of payables.

684
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,000
We do have a maintenance agreement.

685
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,000
For the eight factor at City Hall.

686
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,000
So we updated that agreement here a couple of weeks ago.

687
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,000
There is some costs for Sarah Joe to attend some training.

688
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:30,000
And on the bottom of page two, we will see the driving range ball picker that was ordered

689
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
and purchased.

690
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:38,000
And then the very last page, there is some work with our overlays crack filling.

691
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,000
You'll see that expense there.

692
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,000
In www.blacktop.

693
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,000
All in favor?

694
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Aye.

695
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Aye.

696
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,000
All in favor?

697
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Aye.

698
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000
All in favor?

699
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Aye.

700
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Aye.

701
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,000
All in favor?

702
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Aye.

703
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000
All in favor?

704
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Aye.

705
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
Aye.

706
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,000
We have anybody here that would like to speak through public forum?

707
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,000
Thanks.

708
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000
It's great to be here.

709
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000
A D-M externally CICA County.

710
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,000
A couple things.

711
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Thanks for putting on such a great public hearing and folks had a chance to listen and

712
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,160
Give some input.

713
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,660
And Jason's comment about West Street being on the Coney's

714
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:47,880
radar is correct.

715
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,640
I have heard it come from our Coney engineer.

716
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,720
And I absolutely trust your counsel

717
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:59,280
to make wise and thoughtful decisions.

718
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,120
I will remind you that there are a number of new lots going

719
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,920
in on West Street.

720
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,920
And if you want young families to be able to build there,

721
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,160
and there are kids to be able to bike to school

722
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,640
or walk to school, we've got to be thoughtful about ways

723
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,840
to make that happen.

724
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:28,960
And from what Jim has told me, obviously, West Street

725
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,080
will go in with a city design with curb and gutter.

726
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Almost certainly, it will not continue

727
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,440
to be a road with no nothing on the side of it.

728
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,520
There is right now a space along the edge to walk along.

729
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,800
And I know that because I walk on there all the time.

730
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,360
So think it through.

731
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,360
I know nobody wants the sidewalk that they have to clean.

732
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,200
And I walk down North Street.

733
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,760
And I love the trees there, too, especially on a hot day.

734
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,960
But I know that you'll make good and thoughtful decisions.

735
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,000
But just keep in mind that if we want

736
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,240
James will to grow, and it is growing in that area,

737
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:14,960
we need to make sure it's connected.

738
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,280
The other thing I wanted to let you know

739
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,680
is we had anticipated that our judicial center

740
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,840
would break ground this fall.

741
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,960
And that has been pushed back to the spring

742
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,160
for a couple different reasons, most especially

743
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,040
because the state statute, the process

744
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,640
that we are thinking we're going to use to build it,

745
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,760
which is a construction manager at risk,

746
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,720
had some extra steps that we just needed to take time

747
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,880
to make sure we did all the steps the way we're supposed to.

748
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,440
I think right now, we're going to race

749
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,560
through a bunch of things over the next couple months.

750
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:00,760
And we could be going out for bids on the project

751
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,760
probably in November.

752
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:08,760
And looking at breaking ground first thing in the spring.

753
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,360
Just for general information, the plan

754
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,640
is for a 40,000-square-foot building.

755
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,040
It will go in directly to the west of the current courthouse,

756
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,200
north of where the law enforcement center is right now.

757
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,280
So if you go by on 2nd Street, and there's

758
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,280
the law enforcement center, and then the courthouse,

759
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,920
and the friend of the courthouse is over here on the east,

760
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,200
it will go to the north of the law enforcement center

761
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,840
and to the west of the courthouse.

762
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,120
It will hold all the judicial-related functions,

763
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,400
including law enforcement, probation.

764
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,000
Courts will all move over there.

765
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,320
All the functions that usually demand a higher level

766
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,520
of security than the normal business of the county.

767
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,120
And eventually, the law enforcement center

768
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,400
will come down, and that spot will become part of the parking

769
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,800
on the south side of the new building.

770
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,760
The long-term plan is for the county functions

771
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,280
that are in the East Annex to move back over

772
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,840
to the courthouse, and so we will have all the county work

773
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,080
on the west side of State Street.

774
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,720
And we won't have constituents who need services

775
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:25,880
going back and forth between county offices

776
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,680
across one of the busiest roads in town.

777
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,440
And we're going to get ready to try

778
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,920
to set a preliminary levy tomorrow.

779
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,240
And I guess if anybody's got any questions

780
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:44,920
about anything county, you know I'm always happy to hear it now

781
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,280
or at any time.

782
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,400
If you don't have my business card, I have extras along.

783
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,280
My phone number's on the county website,

784
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,480
and please feel free to reach out.

785
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,280
All right.

786
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:56,920
Yeah.

787
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,040
See you tomorrow morning.

788
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,480
I'll see you tomorrow morning, and I'll look forward to it.

789
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,680
How do we have anybody else to speak through public forum?

790
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,880
Moving on.

791
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,880
Notice those in communications.

792
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,920
I have none.

793
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,400
I am none.

794
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,200
OK.

795
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,280
Do we know what it is?

796
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,200
Hey, he's always got something to say.

797
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,200
Call for reports.

798
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:27,960
You got any of them?

799
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:39,320
Utility board, prior to this meeting,

800
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,760
really not a whole lot going on.

801
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,160
Pates bills for the new project.

802
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:50,240
Hydrant flushing will be September 28 through October 3.

803
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,520
Potentially into that next following Monday.

804
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,440
Still jumping through some hoops on the led sewer,

805
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,280
led service line stuff.

806
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,680
Hopefully get all that buttoned up next year is the plan,

807
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:15,400
but routine in nature, as Andrew would call it.

808
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,320
That's all I have.

809
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,560
I'm planning to get back to you.

810
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,840
I have nothing on the stateless meeting

811
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,760
when that's happening at this week, so.

812
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,280
All right.

813
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,280
Nothing.

814
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,360
Oh, administrative report.

815
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,240
Yes, attached is the August reconciliation from the bank.

816
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:41,240
You also have cash balance report needed last Friday.

817
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,720
The Ray Township did sign that fire contract

818
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,040
that we looked at a couple weeks ago.

819
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,280
They sent that to me.

820
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,760
So I have that on file.

821
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,320
We did receive a little over $2,000 in insurance dividend

822
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,080
payment from the league.

823
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,760
So we split that money up into the different budgets

824
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,120
based on the percentage of that department budget

825
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,160
versus the city budget.

826
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,080
So that's how we do that all the time.

827
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:14,720
October, I wanted to address Tuesday, October 12.

828
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:17,040
It is a holiday of which we will be closed.

829
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,960
We can act conduct business.

830
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,200
Can we meet that following Tuesday?

831
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,120
Monday, the 12th.

832
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,720
Monday, the 12th, I'm sorry.

833
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:25,240
Can we meet Tuesday at the 13th?

834
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,080
I don't see any problem in that.

835
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,000
I guess, no.

836
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,440
Township, did they meet the second Tuesday or the first?

837
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,440
Do you remember?

838
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:40,720
Where are you asking?

839
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:41,720
Anybody?

840
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:42,220
Second.

841
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:50,720
Anybody's done, shuttle?

842
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:51,720
Mm-hmm.

843
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:52,720
Clearly, anybody?

844
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:53,720
No.

845
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:54,720
No.

846
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:55,720
No.

847
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:59,720
What's the talent script?

848
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:00,720
It is.

849
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:01,720
OK.

850
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:02,720
So we can still do that.

851
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:03,720
October 13.

852
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,720
And then the only other item I have for you, we just

853
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:13,720
got another update this morning.

854
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:17,720
The post office is going to be closed to repair their floor

855
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:19,720
inside.

856
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:25,720
So from September 23 to October 13, we are all P.O. box

857
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:30,720
customers are to go to Waseka to get their mail.

858
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,720
I personally don't have a problem with that.

859
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,720
I'm talking with staff a little bit here the other day.

860
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,720
I don't see staff going to Waseka every day to pick up mail.

861
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:41,720
I think we'll do it two or three days a week.

862
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:42,720
That's all right.

863
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:47,720
You OK with that?

864
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:48,720
OK.

865
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,720
Seems efficient.

866
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,720
That's all I have for the administrator report.

867
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:02,720
Motion to approve.

868
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:03,720
Second.

869
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:04,720
All in favor?

870
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:05,720
All right.

871
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:10,720
Staff reports.

872
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,720
Your department had reports.

873
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:14,720
Sorry.

874
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,720
We're going to hour and wait until.

875
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:18,720
We'll be doing this budget here.

876
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:26,720
We can do that.

877
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,720
General here.

878
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:31,720
Oh, nothing for admin then?

879
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:32,720
Nope.

880
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,720
Public safety.

881
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:36,720
Yeah.

882
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:41,720
Ivan and Andy, you want to report?

883
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,720
Give us the tea.

884
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:44,720
Here's the boss.

885
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:45,720
Go for it.

886
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,720
We had interviews for the chief of police.

887
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:53,720
Job on Thursday, the staff.

888
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:57,720
We conducted four interviews that day.

889
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:10,720
And the committee is recommending that we hire Dan Peach as our next chief of police.

890
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:16,720
Here in James Hill.

891
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,720
Any discussion on that?

892
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:22,720
Why?

893
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:23,720
Why him?

894
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,720
He's a part-time police officer here.

895
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:28,720
I'm just curious.

896
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:33,720
But since they're even better, what's the more experience?

897
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:38,720
What was their determining practice before you chose?

898
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:42,720
He and other candidates had good interviews.

899
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:46,720
We felt like he was the best fit.