WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:11.000 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the real public 00:11.000 --> 00:18.000 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:18.000 --> 00:39.000 So we can just jump right into that meeting right away. 00:39.000 --> 00:45.000 Yes. Okay. 00:45.000 --> 00:52.000 We're here to discuss the fire contract and the board with the board. 00:52.000 --> 00:58.000 The township fire board. 00:58.000 --> 01:00.000 Oh, where do we want to begin? 01:00.000 --> 01:04.000 Well, Mike, do you want to introduce a couple people? 01:04.000 --> 01:05.000 Okay. 01:05.000 --> 01:08.000 If you don't know what my center of fire chief. 01:08.000 --> 01:09.000 Eric Weller. 01:09.000 --> 01:13.000 I'm going to amend the board of counties here. 01:13.000 --> 01:19.000 It's a little like township board members. 01:19.000 --> 01:21.000 Would I make a server presentation? 01:21.000 --> 01:22.000 Sure. 01:22.000 --> 01:24.000 I can. 01:24.000 --> 01:27.000 My thoughts and partner thoughts. 01:27.000 --> 01:33.000 We talked to the outside meeting and we talked a little bit about what the general parliament is. 01:33.000 --> 01:43.000 We don't feel we can get the residents in this area of coverage they deserve because of the response time. 01:43.000 --> 01:44.000 It's, we had proplies. 01:44.000 --> 01:52.000 It's not that far, but meeting them towards the way it's, you know, getting there. 01:52.000 --> 02:02.000 The mayor placed down there's a long drive for us, you know, and it put this almost 50 minutes to our south and eastern. 02:02.000 --> 02:05.000 Section that we cover and. 02:05.000 --> 02:08.000 Well, we're that far out. 02:08.000 --> 02:10.000 We give our residents in a town. 02:10.000 --> 02:11.000 The car. 02:11.000 --> 02:12.000 We need. 02:12.000 --> 02:14.000 We're helping. 02:14.000 --> 02:15.000 Um. 02:15.000 --> 02:17.000 According to the county area. 02:17.000 --> 02:18.000 Still so many thunder. 02:18.000 --> 02:22.000 But that area averages around 2526 calls a year. 02:22.000 --> 02:24.000 Those sessions. 02:24.000 --> 02:26.000 We're running. 02:26.000 --> 02:28.000 240 now. 02:29.000 --> 02:31.000 We're pretty busy. 02:31.000 --> 02:33.000 They're a small town department. 02:33.000 --> 02:36.000 I'm very biased. 02:36.000 --> 02:38.000 I think we have a third department. 02:38.000 --> 02:40.000 I'm very biased on that. 02:40.000 --> 02:42.000 Press quotes me on that. 02:42.000 --> 02:44.000 I'm proud of our department. 02:44.000 --> 02:49.000 But I think as long as they have an option to go to a closer department. 02:49.000 --> 02:51.000 That is capable. 02:51.000 --> 02:53.000 Our thoughts is we don't want. 02:54.000 --> 02:56.000 We can't do the coverage. 02:56.000 --> 02:57.000 Things are. 02:57.000 --> 03:00.000 We'll be there immediately regardless of fires. 03:00.000 --> 03:01.000 All right. 03:01.000 --> 03:02.000 No cost. 03:02.000 --> 03:03.000 The. 03:03.000 --> 03:04.000 The. 03:04.000 --> 03:05.000 The. 03:05.000 --> 03:06.000 The. 03:06.000 --> 03:07.000 The. 03:07.000 --> 03:08.000 The. 03:08.000 --> 03:09.000 The. 03:09.000 --> 03:10.000 The. 03:10.000 --> 03:11.000 The. 03:11.000 --> 03:12.000 The. 03:12.000 --> 03:13.000 The. 03:13.000 --> 03:14.000 The. 03:14.000 --> 03:15.000 The. 03:15.000 --> 03:16.000 The. 03:16.000 --> 03:17.000 The. 03:17.000 --> 03:18.000 The. 03:18.000 --> 03:19.000 The. 03:20.000 --> 03:21.000 The. 03:21.000 --> 03:22.000 The. 03:22.000 --> 03:23.000 The. 03:23.000 --> 03:24.000 The. 03:24.000 --> 03:25.000 The. 03:25.000 --> 03:26.000 The. 03:26.000 --> 03:27.000 stuck. 03:27.000 --> 03:28.000 The. 03:28.000 --> 03:29.000 The. 03:29.000 --> 03:30.000 The. 03:30.000 --> 03:31.000 The. 03:31.000 --> 03:32.000 The. 03:32.000 --> 03:33.000 The. 03:33.000 --> 03:34.000 The. 03:34.000 --> 03:35.000 The. 03:35.000 --> 03:36.000 The. 03:36.000 --> 03:37.000 The. 03:37.000 --> 03:38.000 The. 03:38.000 --> 03:39.000 The. 03:39.000 --> 03:40.000 The. 03:40.000 --> 03:47.000 The. 03:47.000 --> 03:48.000 The. 03:48.000 --> 03:55.000 for the next three or contract that we divide and say it's pretty close to 70-30% of it 03:56.800 --> 04:03.800 to either way. Whatever the real percentage is, 30% of things in the last contract, that's 04:06.720 --> 04:13.560 what we need. We divide that up to a cover of 30% of our operating expense, and then we 04:13.560 --> 04:20.560 divide it up by all sections. So, how that worked coming into a contract, how that worked 04:22.720 --> 04:29.720 is our budget. You know, we're kind of predicting what passes for the confusion, runs the option 04:31.360 --> 04:38.360 or they're all more into it. That's the decision that you guys as partners know. That's a thought 04:38.360 --> 04:45.360 process offer that we decided to go ahead with in a few minutes. Okay. Thank you. 04:49.360 --> 04:56.360 I was going to have it on the map. 04:56.360 --> 05:01.360 I was going to have it on the map. 05:01.360 --> 05:06.360 Can you see on the front there? It's at 6.30. 05:06.360 --> 05:07.360 Thank you for joining us. 05:07.360 --> 05:11.360 Hello, Dr. May and Dave Bay. 05:11.360 --> 05:13.360 Hi, Ben. 05:13.360 --> 05:15.360 Welcome. 05:15.360 --> 05:16.360 Yep. 05:16.360 --> 05:19.360 This is worth the day's pay. 05:19.360 --> 05:21.360 Rick, you have anything to add or? 05:21.360 --> 05:26.360 Well, we're just looking for all the help we can get. 05:26.360 --> 05:33.360 Okay. With all the respect, the chief, I don't disagree with anything I would say. 05:37.360 --> 05:44.360 The Janesville Fire Department does a fantastic job at the morning after budgeting, and it's 05:45.360 --> 05:50.360 a fair distribution of expense. 05:50.360 --> 05:57.360 We leery township feels like we're being creative on by the city of Madison Lake. 05:57.360 --> 06:03.360 We don't really have a problem with their fire department, other than the fact that their equipment's old, 06:03.360 --> 06:06.360 they're understaffed and they're underfunded. 06:06.360 --> 06:13.360 We've tried talking to the city about it, and we're really not interested in anything that we have to say. 06:14.360 --> 06:26.360 I think we've identified the problem with their funding issues over there, and they're putting a disproportionate percentage of the budget 06:26.360 --> 06:39.360 upon the townships, and the city residents are not getting a free ride, but they're paying a much smaller percentage than Janesville, for example. 06:40.360 --> 07:01.360 The city of Madison Lake, for 2025, was consuming about 45% of the calls, and they're only funding about 35% of the budget. 07:01.360 --> 07:11.360 When we put it into perspective for leery township, of course, we're 32 sections, and we're covered by four different fire departments. 07:11.360 --> 07:21.360 St. Clair, Madison Lake, Janesville, and Eagle Lake each cover, almost an equal portion, about a fourth of our township. 07:21.360 --> 07:34.360 We pay more to Madison Lake for the fourth that they do than we do for the other three quarters of our township, combined with times two. 07:34.360 --> 07:44.360 They're equipment's old, they need no equipment, they don't have the money, the city doesn't think it's necessary to fund it correctly. 07:44.360 --> 07:51.360 They need a new fire hall, they get new trucks, it doesn't look as good as they won't fit the building that they've got. 07:51.360 --> 07:55.360 They need radios, they need to turn out here, the list just goes on. 07:55.360 --> 08:01.360 They do a great job with what they have. 08:01.360 --> 08:11.360 At any time you go into a situation like this, you ask for everything that you can get. 08:11.360 --> 08:19.360 When we've been willing to pair that back, it was getting an opportunity to help us a little bit. 08:19.360 --> 08:22.360 For example, you're picking up half of section 12. 08:22.360 --> 08:27.360 You pick up the other half of section 12, every little that helps us. 08:27.360 --> 08:34.360 Then just geographically looking at it, section 11. 08:34.360 --> 08:42.360 If we can just pick up half of half of 12 and allow it, that will go a long way towards helping us. 08:50.360 --> 08:55.360 I understand that we've got a pretty broad coverage area there. 08:57.360 --> 09:05.360 Does anybody else have anything to add to our conversation? 09:12.360 --> 09:19.360 I guess one other thing I'll just mention, we realize that what we're asking is unusual, 09:19.360 --> 09:25.360 and we're de-jumping in contract on that. 09:25.360 --> 09:32.360 By adding more sections, using the current formula that you're using, 09:32.360 --> 09:41.360 adding more sections to the township side of it is going to lower the cost per township to the rest of the townships. 09:41.360 --> 09:45.360 We don't think that's fair if the other townships are to the city. 09:45.360 --> 09:55.360 From that standpoint, we may want to look at it and add them to the contract until this one has expired. 09:55.360 --> 10:03.360 Then we would pay a special amount per section for whatever area it is added. 10:03.360 --> 10:08.360 It doesn't have to be what we're paying per section for a common ship rate. 10:08.360 --> 10:11.360 It's something we're willing to negotiate with you. 10:11.360 --> 10:14.360 We realize there's probably a little higher call volume there, 10:14.360 --> 10:17.360 even in picking up that section than I have. 10:17.360 --> 10:22.360 But we'd certainly be willing to work with that as well. 10:26.360 --> 10:30.360 The chief comments about making it down by place in that. 10:30.360 --> 10:33.360 That is the outer reaches of what we were asking for. 10:33.360 --> 10:39.360 I live on Madison Lake right down by the P&R landing on the east side of the lake, 10:39.360 --> 10:42.360 kind of down by the south side. 10:42.360 --> 10:45.360 I drove it and clocked it. 10:45.360 --> 10:47.360 You're spot on. 10:47.360 --> 10:52.360 That's going to be a push, especially when you're on the other side of your coverage area. 10:52.360 --> 11:00.360 Pretty much anything in the western boundaries of our coverage area with you right now is still going to be pushed in that situation. 11:00.360 --> 11:10.360 Adding half a mile or a mile to it, I don't see how that has a major impact. 11:10.360 --> 11:16.360 It's not necessarily just adding your district or your section. 11:16.360 --> 11:25.360 By adding your section, we have to go to Lewis County now and have dispatch and everything reassessed. 11:25.360 --> 11:33.360 They have to put a lot of money into redoing their mappings and things like that. 11:33.360 --> 11:37.360 There's quite a big cost that comes along with this. 11:37.360 --> 11:42.360 It's not just, hey, can you add these to your flyer calls and you just take them. 11:42.360 --> 11:48.360 Because those calls are still going to go through to dispatch over there because this is Lewis County. 11:48.360 --> 11:52.360 Now those calls have to get rewrote it to Waseka County. 11:52.360 --> 12:00.360 Now Waseka County has to figure out on their maps where those are and whose area that is. 12:00.360 --> 12:03.360 Then they have to change those calls. 12:03.360 --> 12:06.360 So Lewis County has to change their mapping systems. 12:06.360 --> 12:09.360 Waseka County has to change their mapping systems. 12:09.360 --> 12:15.360 So those thousands of dollars that have to go into each county to add these sections. 12:15.360 --> 12:21.360 So it's not just you asking us, can you just add these sections to your flyer calls. 12:21.360 --> 12:26.360 There's more in tail here than just plus picking up your section. 12:26.360 --> 12:28.360 You know what I'm saying? 12:28.360 --> 12:34.360 There's a little bit more that goes to reverse the cost to the county. 12:34.360 --> 12:37.360 We're going to bear clear the cost. 12:37.360 --> 12:39.360 We'll be doing something. 12:39.360 --> 12:42.360 There's only been almost 5,000 probably. 12:42.360 --> 12:44.360 This doesn't happen very often. 12:44.360 --> 12:49.360 So there's not no cost. 12:50.360 --> 12:58.360 That also that I can include re-doing all of the maps that the departments have. 12:58.360 --> 13:11.360 So assuming that this doesn't give Madison a kick in the pants to get their act together, 13:11.360 --> 13:14.360 then we'd like them to. 13:14.360 --> 13:25.360 Chief, will this time factor aside equipment-wise personnel-wise are we equipped to handle this? 13:25.360 --> 13:28.360 Or are we going to have to restructure a little bit and also think about, 13:28.360 --> 13:29.360 oh, we need another truck. 13:29.360 --> 13:32.360 We need another 2-3 people to cover this. 13:32.360 --> 13:35.360 I think personnel, we have to cover it. 13:36.360 --> 13:39.360 So we're running 20 calls a year average now. 13:39.360 --> 13:42.360 We had a lot of 20s of that. 13:42.360 --> 13:48.360 If you're getting simultaneous calls, we get to 3-4 times a year now. 13:48.360 --> 13:51.360 We could say that they go in streets. 13:51.360 --> 13:58.360 It's based on most of our medicals that we cover as 2. 13:59.360 --> 14:04.360 It's just the lake area over there. 14:04.360 --> 14:12.360 Scared me a little bit with the response that we could provide for training the lake coverage, the actual lake coverage. 14:12.360 --> 14:15.360 We've got 2 volts. 14:15.360 --> 14:18.360 Basically, lake leaders are doing what we really cover. 14:18.360 --> 14:26.360 I don't want to snick as a lot more water rescue stuff equipment and training that we do. 14:27.360 --> 14:28.360 That part's going to end. 14:28.360 --> 14:32.360 We'll probably both be on there regardless. 14:32.360 --> 14:35.360 I don't know what it is. 14:35.360 --> 14:37.360 It does cause some issues. 14:37.360 --> 14:40.360 I mean, it's put a lake out for dispatch. 14:40.360 --> 14:41.360 Where are you on the lake? 14:41.360 --> 14:45.360 Which department do I send? 14:45.360 --> 14:47.360 It gets confusing. 14:47.360 --> 14:53.360 Not like they send everybody to something like that, but where you can really elaborate more on that thing. 14:53.360 --> 15:04.360 Yeah, that will be an issue because 3-4 is going to be a very township as opposed to the other portion. 15:04.360 --> 15:06.360 We have to look at that. 15:06.360 --> 15:13.360 I think some of that with water rescue is how quick can you get there when you have for water rescue equipment both. 15:13.360 --> 15:16.360 Both but also ice rescue stuff. 15:16.360 --> 15:21.360 A lot of ice fishermen out there as well. 15:21.360 --> 15:30.360 The other thing that Sarah said earlier is that the call transfer that will delay getting once the call comes in. 15:30.360 --> 15:33.360 We have to take information and call transfer to that. 15:33.360 --> 15:37.360 That's the additional step that will take a little bit longer. 15:37.360 --> 15:38.360 I didn't know the other. 15:38.360 --> 15:44.360 As you said, she was with medicals and 80% of the calls probably were one of those. 15:44.360 --> 15:47.360 And there were 24, I think, with the correct number. 15:47.360 --> 15:49.360 For the last year, it was just a year of 25. 15:49.360 --> 15:56.360 In that area, the 200 is 120,000 hours per second. 16:00.360 --> 16:02.360 Might even do you have anything to add? 16:02.360 --> 16:13.360 Can you talk about doing this rather quickly? 16:13.360 --> 16:22.360 I don't see any way we can do it until the contract renews at the first of the year if we decide to do it. 16:23.360 --> 16:30.360 We're still working on finding another councilman here. 16:30.360 --> 16:35.360 So technically, we can't go down a fire department issue. 16:35.360 --> 16:41.360 I feel we can because it doesn't affect our wage. 16:41.360 --> 16:45.360 We don't get anything monetarily for this. 16:46.360 --> 16:52.360 Because I guess we've voted on plenty of things in the past outside. 16:52.360 --> 17:00.360 I mean, it's mainly just our call wage and retirement things that we don't. 17:04.360 --> 17:09.360 If the whole process is going to take some time to set up and establish the switchover, 17:09.360 --> 17:13.360 it's not going to just happen on the first of the month. 17:14.360 --> 17:21.360 If we have to assign new fire numbers to all those addresses and get everything squared away, 17:21.360 --> 17:24.360 there is a time factor here. 17:28.360 --> 17:32.360 Well, we were hoping to get something ironed out 17:32.360 --> 17:35.360 one or another before the end of the calendar year. 17:35.360 --> 17:40.360 The whole contract with Madison Lake is set to expire. 17:44.360 --> 17:49.360 And they've implemented a new formula for how they're going to distribute the costs 17:49.360 --> 17:54.360 and it's become even more aggressive. 17:54.360 --> 18:00.360 The city of Madison Lake, with their new formula, has things stand right now. 18:01.360 --> 18:06.360 Their percentage is going to drop from 36% of the budget down to 31% 18:06.360 --> 18:11.360 and they're actually shipping more of the work more under the time it shifts now. 18:18.360 --> 18:21.360 You know, and it just, for what it's worth, you know, 18:21.360 --> 18:25.360 we've tried to negotiate a good faith with the city of Madison Lake, 18:25.360 --> 18:28.360 the mayor of the city council and the city administrator, 18:28.360 --> 18:32.360 and in public meetings, they told us we don't like it, 18:32.360 --> 18:33.360 but we should learn on fire. 18:33.360 --> 18:35.360 We'll start our own fire. 18:35.360 --> 18:37.360 We'll go somewhere else. 18:42.360 --> 18:44.360 We don't look at that like that. 18:44.360 --> 18:46.360 It's a good faith negotiated. 18:46.360 --> 18:50.360 They're basically delivering all commands. 18:50.360 --> 18:54.360 We've got some people in our township that are 18:54.360 --> 18:59.360 not happy with us even pursuing the idea of leaving Madison Lake 18:59.360 --> 19:05.360 because it's going to have a major impact on their homeowners insurance. 19:05.360 --> 19:10.360 And, you know, our goal here is not to punish people from that standpoint. 19:10.360 --> 19:13.360 That's why we're willing to scale it back a little bit. 19:13.360 --> 19:30.360 My take is, at this point, I feel that we're not ready to take on this extra territory. 19:30.360 --> 19:35.360 That's mine. 19:35.360 --> 19:37.360 It's my opinion. 19:37.360 --> 19:40.360 I have to agree with that. 19:41.360 --> 19:48.360 If this wanted to be talked about at contract time, that'd be one thing. 19:48.360 --> 19:54.360 Which is actually December of 27, so it's one full. 19:54.360 --> 19:56.360 Right. 19:56.360 --> 20:02.360 But my take as of right now is, I think it's a little too far, 20:02.360 --> 20:07.360 and we'd be there anyways probably, 20:07.360 --> 20:10.360 there will be for any sort of structure fire. 20:10.360 --> 20:13.360 Lake rescue probably, but... 20:13.360 --> 20:17.360 My big concern is people's lives. 20:17.360 --> 20:20.360 We're just not going to get there in time to save anybody. 20:20.360 --> 20:24.360 You get somebody in the water, and we're not going to be arrested. 20:24.360 --> 20:26.360 We're going to be in the recovery. 20:26.360 --> 20:28.360 Madison Lake's right there. 20:28.360 --> 20:30.360 And if we're having to call them from the usual days, 20:30.360 --> 20:33.360 then that's your primary fire department. 20:33.360 --> 20:36.360 If there's a structure fire, then we're calling them from the usual days 20:36.360 --> 20:37.360 before we even get there. 20:37.360 --> 20:40.360 That's your primary fire department. 20:40.360 --> 20:44.360 And what service are we doing if we're constantly calling them 20:44.360 --> 20:47.360 before we even get there? 20:47.360 --> 20:50.360 That's definitely not a service. 20:50.360 --> 20:52.360 If we're calling them all and saying, 20:52.360 --> 20:57.360 hey, we need you from the usual days for a structure fire in your town, 20:57.360 --> 21:01.360 but we're supposed to be there first. 21:01.360 --> 21:03.360 And I sympathize with you. 21:03.360 --> 21:05.360 I understand what you're saying. 21:05.360 --> 21:07.360 I just... 21:07.360 --> 21:13.360 And you're a bad predicament, but it's just... 21:13.360 --> 21:16.360 People's lives are online for here. 21:16.360 --> 21:19.360 It doesn't allow the time for us to get there. 21:19.360 --> 21:21.360 There's property. 21:21.360 --> 21:23.360 People's home owners insurance. 21:23.360 --> 21:26.360 I think if you're saying other people are upset about this, 21:26.360 --> 21:28.360 but you're here really wanting this to happen, 21:28.360 --> 21:32.360 but other people aren't wanting this to happen, 21:32.360 --> 21:40.360 then maybe you guys need to have discussions with other people, too. 21:40.360 --> 21:42.360 I would assume by this point, Madison, 21:42.360 --> 21:47.360 they had been made aware that you're having these conversations. 21:47.360 --> 21:50.360 Well, it basically 21:50.360 --> 21:54.360 sent out their proposed contract 21:54.360 --> 21:58.360 that would go into effect January 1. 21:58.360 --> 22:03.360 Well, did they send that out to make that decision before they told you to go to your own thing, 22:03.360 --> 22:08.360 or are they aware that you're seeking our citizens? 22:08.360 --> 22:14.360 Well, we don't necessarily have to 22:14.360 --> 22:19.360 block hand-in-hand with Madison Lane when we're seeking our other weapons. 22:19.360 --> 22:21.360 You know what I mean? 22:21.360 --> 22:24.360 They've obviously told us both lives, right? 22:24.360 --> 22:27.360 So, we're trying to fly today. 22:27.360 --> 22:32.360 I mean, Andy and Fair, they have a kind of reason to sympathize, 22:32.360 --> 22:35.360 and this is a lot. 22:35.360 --> 22:40.360 I can't figure... I wouldn't do the same thing in your place. 22:40.360 --> 22:42.360 My thought is, 22:42.360 --> 22:45.360 Rod Stroke here, Madison Lane is just doing a power play, 22:45.360 --> 22:47.360 or whatever they're doing. 22:47.360 --> 22:51.360 If they suddenly know that you're trying to get us to take over, 22:51.360 --> 22:54.360 and whatever, are they suddenly going to go, 22:54.360 --> 22:56.360 which we made a mistake, 22:56.360 --> 23:00.360 and they're going to reevaluate to make it work? 23:00.360 --> 23:06.360 Well, I can't really speak to what Madison Lane is going to do. 23:06.360 --> 23:11.360 It would be pretty... 23:11.360 --> 23:15.360 It would leave a hole in their budget, 23:15.360 --> 23:21.360 and it may force them to add the residents of Madison Lane. 23:21.360 --> 23:24.360 They're paying their fair share of the fire courage, 23:24.360 --> 23:28.360 as well as they end up doing it. 23:28.360 --> 23:31.360 It doesn't sound like you guys can have much of an appetite for it, 23:31.360 --> 23:35.360 but we appreciate having that on the spring. 23:35.360 --> 23:42.360 Give them a stage of discussion about it. 23:42.360 --> 23:46.360 Yeah, I don't think it's that we don't want to, 23:46.360 --> 23:49.360 but I think, like Sarah and I both said, 23:49.360 --> 23:53.360 it's just a little too far, 23:53.360 --> 23:58.360 and it could potentially bring a lot of stress to some of our folks, 23:58.360 --> 24:03.360 too, if we're getting there late. 24:03.360 --> 24:08.360 Well, one of the things that has come out of this process 24:08.360 --> 24:12.360 is that we've discovered we're paying for a couple of coverage, 24:12.360 --> 24:14.360 and one of our sessions. 24:14.360 --> 24:18.360 We're paying new guys, and we're paying them as late to cover the session, 24:18.360 --> 24:21.360 and apparently it hasn't been going on for many years. 24:21.360 --> 24:24.360 So we're going to be making some progress, 24:24.360 --> 24:26.360 because there will be... 24:26.360 --> 24:30.360 We're going to continue to have you guys cover the session in question, 24:30.360 --> 24:33.360 but we are going to remove that from now. 24:33.360 --> 24:36.360 Okay. 24:36.360 --> 24:41.360 Have you looked into having, like, Eagle Lake take over 10 and 15? 24:41.360 --> 24:44.360 Well, we decided to start here, 24:44.360 --> 24:47.360 and seeing how this is going to go on this end, 24:47.360 --> 24:50.360 and then if we made some progress here, 24:50.360 --> 24:53.360 we wanted to open up a dialogue with the Eagle Lake 24:53.360 --> 24:59.360 and see what kind of help we can get from now. 24:59.360 --> 25:04.360 Jesus, are there any of this that we potentially could take over 25:04.360 --> 25:06.360 and shut ourselves up in? 25:06.360 --> 25:09.360 Like, if we didn't get into 11 and 10 and 15, 25:09.360 --> 25:12.360 we just did that portion of 12. 25:12.360 --> 25:15.360 Is that possible? 25:23.360 --> 25:26.360 You know, cutting straight across over there. 25:26.360 --> 25:31.360 I see the two. 25:31.360 --> 25:34.360 I don't know what the section is, 15. 25:34.360 --> 25:37.360 15 is 9-mile corner. 25:37.360 --> 25:39.360 No, we're... 25:39.360 --> 25:41.360 At one point we were talking about that, 25:41.360 --> 25:45.360 but I think 10 and 15 are clearly off the table. 25:45.360 --> 25:47.360 As things stand right now, 25:47.360 --> 25:51.360 it would be just a issue to take the other half of 12 and 11. 25:51.360 --> 25:54.360 I think that would be a step in the right direction. 25:54.360 --> 25:57.360 And, you know, like I said earlier, 25:57.360 --> 26:01.360 we will intuitively have amendment to the current contract 26:01.360 --> 26:05.360 with an agree upon price recovered from that 26:05.360 --> 26:08.360 independence of what the other townships are doing 26:08.360 --> 26:13.360 so that it can be factored in in the next contract negotiations.