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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the real public

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for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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So we can just jump right into that meeting right away.

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Yes. Okay.

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We're here to discuss the fire contract and the board with the board.

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The township fire board.

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Oh, where do we want to begin?

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Well, Mike, do you want to introduce a couple people?

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If you don't know what my center of fire chief.

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Eric Weller.

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I'm going to amend the board of counties here.

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It's a little like township board members.

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Would I make a server presentation?

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Sure.

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I can.

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My thoughts and partner thoughts.

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We talked to the outside meeting and we talked a little bit about what the general parliament is.

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We don't feel we can get the residents in this area of coverage they deserve because of the response time.

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It's, we had proplies.

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It's not that far, but meeting them towards the way it's, you know, getting there.

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The mayor placed down there's a long drive for us, you know, and it put this almost 50 minutes to our south and eastern.

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Section that we cover and.

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Well, we're that far out.

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We give our residents in a town.

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We're helping.

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According to the county area.

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Still so many thunder.

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But that area averages around 2526 calls a year.

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We're pretty busy.

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They're a small town department.

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I'm very biased.

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I think we have a third department.

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I'm very biased on that.

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Press quotes me on that.

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I'm proud of our department.

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But I think as long as they have an option to go to a closer department.

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Our thoughts is we don't want.

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for the next three or contract that we divide and say it's pretty close to 70-30% of it

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to either way. Whatever the real percentage is, 30% of things in the last contract, that's

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what we need. We divide that up to a cover of 30% of our operating expense, and then we

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divide it up by all sections. So, how that worked coming into a contract, how that worked

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is our budget. You know, we're kind of predicting what passes for the confusion, runs the option

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or they're all more into it. That's the decision that you guys as partners know. That's a thought

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process offer that we decided to go ahead with in a few minutes. Okay. Thank you.

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I was going to have it on the map.

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I was going to have it on the map.

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Can you see on the front there? It's at 6.30.

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Thank you for joining us.

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Hello, Dr. May and Dave Bay.

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Hi, Ben.

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Welcome.

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Yep.

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This is worth the day's pay.

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Rick, you have anything to add or?

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Well, we're just looking for all the help we can get.

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Okay. With all the respect, the chief, I don't disagree with anything I would say.

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The Janesville Fire Department does a fantastic job at the morning after budgeting, and it's

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a fair distribution of expense.

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We leery township feels like we're being creative on by the city of Madison Lake.

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We don't really have a problem with their fire department, other than the fact that their equipment's old,

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they're understaffed and they're underfunded.

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We've tried talking to the city about it, and we're really not interested in anything that we have to say.

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I think we've identified the problem with their funding issues over there, and they're putting a disproportionate percentage of the budget

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upon the townships, and the city residents are not getting a free ride, but they're paying a much smaller percentage than Janesville, for example.

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The city of Madison Lake, for 2025, was consuming about 45% of the calls, and they're only funding about 35% of the budget.

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When we put it into perspective for leery township, of course, we're 32 sections, and we're covered by four different fire departments.

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St. Clair, Madison Lake, Janesville, and Eagle Lake each cover, almost an equal portion, about a fourth of our township.

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We pay more to Madison Lake for the fourth that they do than we do for the other three quarters of our township, combined with times two.

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They're equipment's old, they need no equipment, they don't have the money, the city doesn't think it's necessary to fund it correctly.

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They need a new fire hall, they get new trucks, it doesn't look as good as they won't fit the building that they've got.

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They need radios, they need to turn out here, the list just goes on.

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They do a great job with what they have.

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At any time you go into a situation like this, you ask for everything that you can get.

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When we've been willing to pair that back, it was getting an opportunity to help us a little bit.

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For example, you're picking up half of section 12.

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You pick up the other half of section 12, every little that helps us.

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Then just geographically looking at it, section 11.

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If we can just pick up half of half of 12 and allow it, that will go a long way towards helping us.

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I understand that we've got a pretty broad coverage area there.

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Does anybody else have anything to add to our conversation?

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I guess one other thing I'll just mention, we realize that what we're asking is unusual,

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and we're de-jumping in contract on that.

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By adding more sections, using the current formula that you're using,

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adding more sections to the township side of it is going to lower the cost per township to the rest of the townships.

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We don't think that's fair if the other townships are to the city.

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From that standpoint, we may want to look at it and add them to the contract until this one has expired.

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Then we would pay a special amount per section for whatever area it is added.

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It doesn't have to be what we're paying per section for a common ship rate.

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It's something we're willing to negotiate with you.

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We realize there's probably a little higher call volume there,

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even in picking up that section than I have.

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But we'd certainly be willing to work with that as well.

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The chief comments about making it down by place in that.

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That is the outer reaches of what we were asking for.

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I live on Madison Lake right down by the P&R landing on the east side of the lake,

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kind of down by the south side.

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I drove it and clocked it.

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You're spot on.

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That's going to be a push, especially when you're on the other side of your coverage area.

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Pretty much anything in the western boundaries of our coverage area with you right now is still going to be pushed in that situation.

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Adding half a mile or a mile to it, I don't see how that has a major impact.

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It's not necessarily just adding your district or your section.

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By adding your section, we have to go to Lewis County now and have dispatch and everything reassessed.

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They have to put a lot of money into redoing their mappings and things like that.

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There's quite a big cost that comes along with this.

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It's not just, hey, can you add these to your flyer calls and you just take them.

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Because those calls are still going to go through to dispatch over there because this is Lewis County.

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Now those calls have to get rewrote it to Waseka County.

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Now Waseka County has to figure out on their maps where those are and whose area that is.

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Then they have to change those calls.

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So Lewis County has to change their mapping systems.

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Waseka County has to change their mapping systems.

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So those thousands of dollars that have to go into each county to add these sections.

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So it's not just you asking us, can you just add these sections to your flyer calls.

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There's more in tail here than just plus picking up your section.

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You know what I'm saying?

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There's a little bit more that goes to reverse the cost to the county.

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We're going to bear clear the cost.

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We'll be doing something.

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There's only been almost 5,000 probably.

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This doesn't happen very often.

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So there's not no cost.

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That also that I can include re-doing all of the maps that the departments have.

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So assuming that this doesn't give Madison a kick in the pants to get their act together,

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then we'd like them to.

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Chief, will this time factor aside equipment-wise personnel-wise are we equipped to handle this?

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Or are we going to have to restructure a little bit and also think about,

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oh, we need another truck.

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We need another 2-3 people to cover this.

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I think personnel, we have to cover it.

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So we're running 20 calls a year average now.

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We had a lot of 20s of that.

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If you're getting simultaneous calls, we get to 3-4 times a year now.

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We could say that they go in streets.

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It's based on most of our medicals that we cover as 2.

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It's just the lake area over there.

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Scared me a little bit with the response that we could provide for training the lake coverage, the actual lake coverage.

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We've got 2 volts.

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Basically, lake leaders are doing what we really cover.

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I don't want to snick as a lot more water rescue stuff equipment and training that we do.

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That part's going to end.

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We'll probably both be on there regardless.

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I don't know what it is.

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It does cause some issues.

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I mean, it's put a lake out for dispatch.

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Where are you on the lake?

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Which department do I send?

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It gets confusing.

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Not like they send everybody to something like that, but where you can really elaborate more on that thing.

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Yeah, that will be an issue because 3-4 is going to be a very township as opposed to the other portion.

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We have to look at that.

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I think some of that with water rescue is how quick can you get there when you have for water rescue equipment both.

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Both but also ice rescue stuff.

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A lot of ice fishermen out there as well.

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The other thing that Sarah said earlier is that the call transfer that will delay getting once the call comes in.

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We have to take information and call transfer to that.

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That's the additional step that will take a little bit longer.

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I didn't know the other.

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As you said, she was with medicals and 80% of the calls probably were one of those.

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And there were 24, I think, with the correct number.

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For the last year, it was just a year of 25.

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In that area, the 200 is 120,000 hours per second.

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Might even do you have anything to add?

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Can you talk about doing this rather quickly?

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I don't see any way we can do it until the contract renews at the first of the year if we decide to do it.

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We're still working on finding another councilman here.

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So technically, we can't go down a fire department issue.

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I feel we can because it doesn't affect our wage.

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We don't get anything monetarily for this.

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Because I guess we've voted on plenty of things in the past outside.

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I mean, it's mainly just our call wage and retirement things that we don't.

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If the whole process is going to take some time to set up and establish the switchover,

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it's not going to just happen on the first of the month.

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If we have to assign new fire numbers to all those addresses and get everything squared away,

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there is a time factor here.

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Well, we were hoping to get something ironed out

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one or another before the end of the calendar year.

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The whole contract with Madison Lake is set to expire.

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And they've implemented a new formula for how they're going to distribute the costs

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and it's become even more aggressive.

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The city of Madison Lake, with their new formula, has things stand right now.

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Their percentage is going to drop from 36% of the budget down to 31%

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and they're actually shipping more of the work more under the time it shifts now.

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You know, and it just, for what it's worth, you know,

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we've tried to negotiate a good faith with the city of Madison Lake,

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the mayor of the city council and the city administrator,

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and in public meetings, they told us we don't like it,

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but we should learn on fire.

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We'll start our own fire.

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We'll go somewhere else.

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We don't look at that like that.

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It's a good faith negotiated.

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They're basically delivering all commands.

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We've got some people in our township that are

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not happy with us even pursuing the idea of leaving Madison Lake

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because it's going to have a major impact on their homeowners insurance.

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And, you know, our goal here is not to punish people from that standpoint.

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That's why we're willing to scale it back a little bit.

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My take is, at this point, I feel that we're not ready to take on this extra territory.

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That's mine.

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It's my opinion.

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I have to agree with that.

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If this wanted to be talked about at contract time, that'd be one thing.

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Which is actually December of 27, so it's one full.

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Right.

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But my take as of right now is, I think it's a little too far,

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and we'd be there anyways probably,

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there will be for any sort of structure fire.

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Lake rescue probably, but...

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My big concern is people's lives.

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We're just not going to get there in time to save anybody.

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You get somebody in the water, and we're not going to be arrested.

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We're going to be in the recovery.

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Madison Lake's right there.

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And if we're having to call them from the usual days,

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then that's your primary fire department.

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If there's a structure fire, then we're calling them from the usual days

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before we even get there.

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That's your primary fire department.

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And what service are we doing if we're constantly calling them

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before we even get there?

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That's definitely not a service.

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If we're calling them all and saying,

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hey, we need you from the usual days for a structure fire in your town,

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but we're supposed to be there first.

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And I sympathize with you.

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I understand what you're saying.

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I just...

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And you're a bad predicament, but it's just...

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People's lives are online for here.

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It doesn't allow the time for us to get there.

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There's property.

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People's home owners insurance.

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I think if you're saying other people are upset about this,

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but you're here really wanting this to happen,

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but other people aren't wanting this to happen,

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then maybe you guys need to have discussions with other people, too.

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I would assume by this point, Madison,

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they had been made aware that you're having these conversations.

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Well, it basically

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sent out their proposed contract

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that would go into effect January 1.

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Well, did they send that out to make that decision before they told you to go to your own thing,

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or are they aware that you're seeking our citizens?

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Well, we don't necessarily have to

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block hand-in-hand with Madison Lane when we're seeking our other weapons.

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You know what I mean?

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They've obviously told us both lives, right?

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So, we're trying to fly today.

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I mean, Andy and Fair, they have a kind of reason to sympathize,

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and this is a lot.

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I can't figure... I wouldn't do the same thing in your place.

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My thought is,

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Rod Stroke here, Madison Lane is just doing a power play,

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or whatever they're doing.

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If they suddenly know that you're trying to get us to take over,

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and whatever, are they suddenly going to go,

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which we made a mistake,

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and they're going to reevaluate to make it work?

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Well, I can't really speak to what Madison Lane is going to do.

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It would be pretty...

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It would leave a hole in their budget,

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and it may force them to add the residents of Madison Lane.

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They're paying their fair share of the fire courage,

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as well as they end up doing it.

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It doesn't sound like you guys can have much of an appetite for it,

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but we appreciate having that on the spring.

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Give them a stage of discussion about it.

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Yeah, I don't think it's that we don't want to,

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but I think, like Sarah and I both said,

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it's just a little too far,

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and it could potentially bring a lot of stress to some of our folks,

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too, if we're getting there late.

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Well, one of the things that has come out of this process

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is that we've discovered we're paying for a couple of coverage,

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and one of our sessions.

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We're paying new guys, and we're paying them as late to cover the session,

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and apparently it hasn't been going on for many years.

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So we're going to be making some progress,

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because there will be...

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We're going to continue to have you guys cover the session in question,

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but we are going to remove that from now.

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Okay.

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Have you looked into having, like, Eagle Lake take over 10 and 15?

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Well, we decided to start here,

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and seeing how this is going to go on this end,

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and then if we made some progress here,

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we wanted to open up a dialogue with the Eagle Lake

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and see what kind of help we can get from now.

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Jesus, are there any of this that we potentially could take over

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and shut ourselves up in?

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Like, if we didn't get into 11 and 10 and 15,

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we just did that portion of 12.

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Is that possible?

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You know, cutting straight across over there.

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I see the two.

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I don't know what the section is, 15.

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15 is 9-mile corner.

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No, we're...

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At one point we were talking about that,

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but I think 10 and 15 are clearly off the table.

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As things stand right now,

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it would be just a issue to take the other half of 12 and 11.

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I think that would be a step in the right direction.

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And, you know, like I said earlier,

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we will intuitively have amendment to the current contract

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with an agree upon price recovered from that

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independence of what the other townships are doing

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so that it can be factored in in the next contract negotiations.