All we'll call the meeting to order at 7 p.m.
Please stand for the pledge.
We have the additions or corrections to the agenda.
I have none.
All in favor.
Consent agenda.
Okay, your consent agenda, you have the minutes from our last meeting.
And then you have three sets of payables that were done during March.
And then you also have the year to date budget in there.
The only couple of things I wanted to point out with the expenses, there is some training and travel throughout, you know, different departments, different employees.
And then there's some annual memberships that were paid.
They're a job.
The golf course does have a purchase of refrigerator, ice maker.
That's in there.
Yeah, that's about it.
Motion to approve consent agenda.
All in favor.
All right.
Public forum.
Do we have anybody that would like to speak through public forum?
Public forum.
Moving on.
Notices and communications.
You have a couple items from the league.
Should have been in your envelope.
That's all I have.
Council reports.
We did not meet the golf course advisory board did not meet last.
The personnel committee, we've been, well, we'll talk about that here and all that.
I would like to replace the windows down there.
We have the money that we can pay for them.
But in order to put them in, we need a construction loan of some type that can pay as we go.
We can't get the money from HUD until the project is completed.
So the contractor won't start the project without payment or earnest money.
In visiting with the lenders here, they said that
they would need collateral.
Park road board does not own the building.
The city of Jamesville owns the building completely free of debt.
So at some place we need to investigate if we can use that building against the project.
We were at EDA here the other day and discussed quite a few things briefly.
I can't think of one big item that we really went over.
Park board did not meet planning commission a couple weeks ago.
There was just a lot of talk about how we could improve different methods to bring more businesses into town,
looking for grants to potentially improve our infrastructure so that we don't have to wait for somebody to make an offer.
We're just ready to go when they want to come in.
So just a kind of a lot of pipe dreams and maybe some possibilities.
What do you mean?
All right.
Moving on.
I mean you have the administrator report, but that's called for assistance.
Well, that's a typo.
Okay, I'll give the administrator for it.
In your packet is the March reconciliation.
You also have the cash balance and graphs dated last Friday.
The local board of appeal and equalization.
That's where you've come to your county and discuss your evaluation.
Well, that meeting for the city of James will be next Tuesday from 1 to 3 p.m. at the courthouse.
Midco, this Thursday at the park here across the street, they're going to host an open house kind of a ceremonial first dig for their project that they're going to work on this here.
That'll be at the park here at 2 p.m.
The moon dogs did reach out and I asked the EDA last week, they're interested in hosting in James will night out again at the moon dogs game.
This would be our fourth year that we've done it.
So I'm getting some dates and stuff with them right now.
And last but not least, the update from the coalition has some kind of first half legislative updates in there.
If you had read through that, you can see how we're getting so much accomplished in St. Paul.
That's all I have.
We should approve administrative report.
Thank you.
All in favor?
All right.
Staff reports.
Got the golf course tonight.
The department heads.
So official open date for the course was March 25th this year, so we've been open a few weeks.
It's been a really good first few weeks with the weather.
We had to close a couple days in there, so it's been awesome.
I think we're up to 266 members right now, and we're still signing people up.
I got about five or six in the stack right now that called in tonight and stuff like that.
So we are well on their way to where our memberships usually are.
A couple things we did have to do was ice maker died and our big beer cooler died.
So both of those had to just get replaced right before we opened.
But they're both installed, working great.
We actually have a secondary smaller ice maker out by the bar, too, to keep up with ice.
The last one sounds like the not keep up very well.
It's just a tournament day.
It's like that's a big one downstairs.
I'm in a smaller one to try to keep up just like drinks and stuff that's right there.
All I have.
I have a question, you were doing memberships where people could pay like half now and half mid-year.
How is the bookkeeping being done on that?
Is that being, what are you charging for half now and half later?
So there's been a couple of apps in half and half.
Most are doing like a three payment plan.
So they put a third down on May 31st, then we will run their credit card on May 31st
or that next third and August 31st or down the next one.
They give us a credit card that we keep on file in our system through the software system.
My question comes in.
My looking through the membership, the dollar amount is down from the previous year.
Well, it might be hard that we don't have all the memberships that we've all sold to if you're looking at like a full year.
I know we're probably going to sell at least another $50.
That's my question.
That's how it was being done.
Yeah, so I just, I mean, as we've opened the doors, I mean, every day I'm selling memberships yet too right now.
So I don't see that slowing down any time because some people aren't even, I mean, I've come off to the first round yet, that kind of thing.
Leagues start next week.
This week Thursday will do senior league and feeling, you know, those might come in and do memberships and then next week with the Men's League.
We got 120 guys signed up for Monday Night League and 100 guys signed up for Tuesday Night League, so I have a feeling they'll be quite a few memberships with that.
That's right.
Coming in that they haven't gotten me that too.
So.
Thank you.
Yep.
Anything else?
All right.
So kind of a big thing for us.
It really started last fall, but with some ash tree removal, we got started on that last fall.
Kind of lost track, but I would estimate we cut down maybe 50 ash trees last fall, so we're still cleaning up some of that.
There's still a lot of stumps out there to take care of and patch the turf in, but so that's something we're working on right now.
Something we've been discussing with JAGA a little bit, possibly a rain shelter replacement.
We used to have two.
We tore one down a couple of years ago.
It was just in rough shape, couldn't fix it.
The one that's left is kind of in the same boat.
It's original to the property.
So we're discussing replacing that and hopefully we'll get some help from JAGA on that.
We've got it in the budget this year to replace the siding on the building.
That also is original to the building.
Still getting bids on that.
Hopefully they'll be coming in the next couple of weeks and we'll put together some kind of plan.
The last thing I'd like to mention is just how good a good job Kevin's doing.
I think he's really doing a nice job.
Making some good changes.
He's well received by the members.
Very well organized, but I think he's doing a good job.
So it's a pleasure working with him.
Great to hear.
Anything else?
How much do you pay to save?
I think it's the first time I've been in front of the council since.
It's been hired, so I thought I had to sneak that in there.
Are you going to replace the trees that you're taking out?
It's kind of up for discussion, but it certainly won't be like a one for one.
Has it opened up the course a lot?
It has, but I would say in a beneficial way almost.
We've discussed like replacing five trees.
We cut down 50 and maybe we'll replace five sort of important ones.
But yeah, it certainly won't be a one for one.
So yeah, we're still putting a plan together on that too, but yeah, it's not the highest priority.
I guess so.
Yeah.
I'll just wonder how it will come.
I'll fill it there and check it out.
Yeah.
That's why you can't embed it in where you wouldn't even find it.
If you know much about the golf course, a lot of the ash trees, I don't believe we're intended
on being there by the architect, so a lot of them won't be missed.
That's maybe my opinion.
Yeah.
So, okay.
Yeah.
Anything else for Jacob?
You've got the shelter and the sighting.
I know the deck out there has just been reserved shortly or not.
Yeah, just a few years ago.
Yeah.
And it seems like all these items are punched together, which is normal with a new course.
It all wears out at the same time, but it will help with things to see space.
Right.
I mean, in that actually, that is our intention.
We've kind of been plugging away at it over the last few years.
Citing is this kind of this year's project.
I think there's a real full look at.
There's quite a few things we're going to have to look at over the next few years.
Yeah.
I think each year we'll have to pick something out.
On a list of importance, just start replacing things.
Yeah.
Everything's about 30 years old right now.
And it just, no more life left a lot of it, so.
Very good.
Thank you.
So, if you look at the staff reports, the first two items tonight.
It relates to the bond that we are taking out for the electric improvements.
George Eilertsson from Northland was going to be here tonight.
He's fine on coming down, but I talked to him mid-afternoon due to the weather.
He thought it was probably better if he stayed home, so I'm going to call him.
And he's going to kind of walk through those first couple items with us if you're okay with that.
So, just get him on speakerphone here.
Hello, question.
Hello, George.
You are on speakerphone in front of the world.
Hey, fantastic.
I hope the weather is okay down there.
I was just seeing some 40 in the morning, so.
You're here all day, right?
So far.
Okay, I'll get it.
Well, thank you for the time here, and I'm here at console George Eilertsson here for Northland security.
Sorry, he's going to be with you tonight, but sometimes weather gets in the way.
But a couple different items on your agenda this evening.
It highlights here, and then certainly to address any questions you may have.
So, the first is debt management policy.
And that's something that a lot of cities throughout Minnesota that get bond ratings are adopting.
And that is a policy which kind of serves as a driver or kind of a policy if you will for debt consideration.
I'm going to do some limitations on debt into structuring practices, et cetera.
And they are in console.
I can go through this and hit some of the highlights and then certainly address any questions.
It is good that a community would have a debt manager policy when recently clicked in Andrea and I were on a moderate call to the standard course.
They asked you about what policies and procedures do you have such as debt management policy and investment policy for the balanced policy, et cetera.
And so the more of these that you have, you get another checkbox in the management score.
But then if you've got this up on the screen, actually have you go to page two at the top that should save debt limits?
Okay, just one second here.
Okay.
It's on the bottom there.
Bottom of the first page, debt limits.
So again, Mayor Counsel, I just hit some of the highlights here in respect to your time.
So a few of these items that are loaded in here are right out of Minnesota State statutes.
For example, under debt limits, under A, it's just referencing a number of the statutes that Minnesota Municipal Police issue bonds under Chapter 479 is the key statute that everything kind of starts with.
And then you have different authority, the net, depending on what type of revenue source, what kind of project that you have.
So the policy, here's where they want to see that you have defined some parameters.
So for example, the debt shall not be issued for capital projects or assets would be useful in less than five years.
Now that's typically the case for most municipalities.
I mean, you might have some public works equipment, public safety equipment that might be close to useful life on that.
I don't patrol or squad cars.
Sometimes have a shorter life, but as a general practice, you want to be issuing four things that have a longer use for life than five years.
See, you should not be funding current operations.
So that would be an issue.
That would be a red flag to enter any agency if you are funding.
You need to issue debt just to get through the school for, get through the calendar year that is under D.
This is what's called the statutory debt limit.
You're limited to 3% of the market, overall market value within your city.
So that's some of the starting parameters that you have in your policy.
Debt structuring practices next.
The term of the bond shall not exceed useful life on the asset.
So for example, if we were financing a new building for public works, you know, just to pick an example.
And that added useful life of 10 years.
And I know that's certainly not the case, but we've seen that.
But you had bonds that were issued for 30 years.
I mean, that would be an example of something where you should be either matching up the useful life or shorter than the useful life of the asset.
So just a little bit of debt structuring under D, call features.
That's what's called the redemption feature.
We'll make sure that we have those in the bonds that we issue with you.
That's where you can pre-pay or refinance it if market conditions are favorable.
Under E, you'll issue fixed rate debt, not variable debt.
Variable rate debt would be where you're tied to an index that maybe is tied to,
I'd say, the 10-year treasury in your fixed for five years and then a recess to the treasury market.
There's some of you just how these typically don't issue that type of debt, the usual fixed rate bond issue,
like you'd be considering this image.
I'll jump ahead here a little bit, Clinton, to the next page.
And this is, again, just a little bit more in some of the key highlights under D.
If that's the page that we're on it talks about bond ratings that will engage at least one of the three major rating agencies
when you have the consideration of new debt.
Certainly, the next C bond council backs, not your city attorney, but every time we do a bond,
there's a specialized attorney that provides an opinion that you can issue taxes and that.
That's what bond council refers to.
And just gives a couple of parameters for if you ever consider refunding bonds.
We haven't had the opportunity to do refunding bonds here in the most recent several years.
Because the market conditions haven't been favorable, but certainly that's something we keep in touch with your staff.
Debt management practices, this is the first section talking about investment of proceeds,
meaning that you'll want to make sure that you put that closing the bond proceeds into an interest-bearing account.
And so that speaks to that under D is something called continuing disclosure.
And the city engages Northland to do this 41 on that basis, continuing disclosure means that we provide financial information
to the broader investment public so that if they ever have a question about buying city of Jamesville bonds on the secondary market
and bonds trade just like stocks on the secondary market, so they can look up this information just to see information on the city of Jamesville.
C is what's called arbitrage rebate. That's where you typically don't have bonds that are subject to this.
What arbitrage rebate means, council, is that if you are borrowing at, say, 4%,
but the investment yields in the market are such that you can earn more than 4%.
The interest earnings above what you're borrowing at is called positive arbitrage.
And so this, the SEC governs that you are exempt from that when you issue bonds in a calendar year less than $5 million.
So, Jamesville has, more often than not infected, I think you've always issued bonds except for that because they'd be less than $5 million.
But nonetheless, you want to put that in your policy.
The bottom of that, either E talks about the city will maintain a separate post issuance compliance policy.
Your way ahead of the curve on this newly approved post issuance compliance policy is in 2012.
So, that was done long ago. You don't have to do that with every bond issue. You just have to do that once.
And that's basically just saying those are policies that govern bonds after their issue.
And, you know, how long do you keep records in place, things of that nature.
So, the next page, printed talks about conduit debt, for example.
Conduit debt is probably not something that you've had brought to your attention that often, although certainly it may have been done.
And that's where 501c3 entities oftentimes it's health care related or senior housing.
They can issue taxes and bonds under all. They have to go through municipality.
So, that's what conduit debt is known as, is that you might issue on behalf of a 501c3 issuer.
But it's not, it might be in your name, but it's not your debt. So, that's a little explanation on conduit debt.
And certainly, if you as the city ever get approached by a conduit issuer.
And, Andrea, just make sure you get in touch with us and we'll kind of guide you through that process.
And then I'll just note one more item after closing here.
It's the reimbursement bond summary is listed at the end of your policy.
What reimbursement bonds mean is that, and actually this is something the city has done before,
sometimes the timing of when you get bond proceeds.
And when you have your first invoices presented to you on a project, don't always think about it.
Sometimes you get invoices where you don't have your money yet, so you got to use your cash reserves.
And so, that's really what reimbursement section is talking about where.
If you approve a resolution, what's called a reimbursement resolution, you can pay for an expense with your fund balance, if you will.
And then reimburse yourself at a later date with the proceeds of a tax exempt bond.
So, if you don't have that resolution approved, you're not supposed to, you kind of don't have the opportunity to do that.
So, it's important, and your staff come, city is very versed in this.
We regularly talk about this as part of a new bond issuance.
So, this is a good practice for the city or a good policy rather.
I know I went through that rather quickly, Mayor and Council.
But it's good to have a policy adopted, you know, just like in the past, you would have done a fund balance policy saying 18, so much are reserved or an investment policy, etc.
This is kind of managing your debt.
And when you have projects, we just want to make sure that we adhere to these policies.
There's nothing too onerous in here.
It's really just kind of making sure that you're aware of some of the statutory limitations and stating some items like that we're not going to shoot beyond useful life on the project.
So, any questions, Mayor and Council on the policy?
I think he covered most of it for us or anything I can think of.
Okay, good.
Good.
So that, and actually, it's, we did this recent moderating call relative to the bond that you have on your agenda tonight.
We brought up that you have this in draft form that is going to be considered as yours for 13th meeting.
Certainly, the next time you have a project which potentially would be a serrated project in 2027, this would be a final version that we would provide to the rating agency.
And you'd have credit for improving this policy.
So, what I would just recommend there is that there's no resolution.
There's no resolution.
There's regard to some motion to approve the policy.
All motion to approve the policy.
Second.
All in favor?
All right.
Thank you, Mayor and Council.
Thank you.
If that's okay, could I go right into the next step?
Yes, I have the bond sale summary and I printed that out and gave them a copy of it.
I also have it on the big screen.
Okay.
Before I do that, I thought I would just touch briefly.
And we don't even have to pull this up.
I'll just refer to this.
As part of issuing the bonds that worked with Clinton and Andrea on the assignment of a bond rating for the city, this city has recently been rated A plus.
And that's been with the rating agency standard courses.
And so the outcome of the rating, we, well, first of all, they provided questions to Clinton and Andrea and I, and they provided a lot of background information.
Ahead of the call.
And so the outcome of the rating process was that they are thumbed to the city's A plus rating.
But then usually it's an A plus with a state of outlook.
In this regard, and also they assigned an A plus with an negative outlook.
I'll give a little positive twist to this.
We stayed at the A plus level as opposed to, you know, in the A category count.
So there's the standard, of course, there's A minus, which is the bottom of the A category.
Then there's A, and then there's A plus, which is at the top of the A category.
And then above the A plus is the double A category.
So we stayed at the A plus, but we have a negative outlook.
Now, the negative outlook was assigned because the city did have been used in spun balance policy.
And so that was noted certainly in the rating report that you have a policy that says that you will maintain 40% of the outcome in your expenditures.
And so basically between four and six months in reserve.
And just with the conservative budgeting, I think there was less than anticipated building permit revenues.
And a little bit lower state aid that resulted in a little bit lower fund balance for the city.
So that's why the negative outlook occurred.
What they do say with a negative outlook is that it reflects their view that there's a one in three chance that deficits could persist.
And then the potential that they would down bring the city thereafter.
Now, Andrea and Clint did a great job of following up this information and actually prevented a doubt occurring because it provided information.
Excuse me, that the city has taken corrective action.
All right.
Two over a two year plan, build back the reserves.
And so Council, that's an important step.
And I want to just make sure that it's emphasized strongly here that keeping your nose upon that minimum layer of the floor of your fund balance policy is very important.
In the case of Jamesville, we're talking about raising it from $850,000 to the ballpark of $900,000.
So it's not like we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars that you need to lift your fund balance.
But it's $50,000 to say $70,000 replenishing reserves.
So Americans, I just want to point that out.
Certainly there's a lot of items that are mentioned in the radio report, such as, you know, the enrollment that's occurring in the county, your proximity to maintain.
And so those are all positive.
So I think staying the course is very good with the exception of, you know, kind of making sure that you do like what Clinton and Andrea said of staying on a plan to build back reserves over the coming years.
And I think that's important.
In regard, what we'll likely see happen is that negative outlook with that A plus rating back up to a stable.
Any questions on that mayor council?
Nope.
Okay.
Great.
Thank you.
And I should say, hey, it's not going to do.
So getting the A plus rating aside allowed us to go similar to 2024.
When we issued the first round of financing similar to this or the utility.
The A plus rating was assigned then.
And then we were able to go out and get what's called bond insurance.
And getting bond insurance is to an investor that buys your bonds.
They're guaranteed to return a principal interest on your bonds.
So that's insurance provides.
What that does is it lifts your rating from that A plus of do not just to a double rating.
And, you know, because of that, it helps to drive the interest rate down movement.
So, uh, mayor council, I'll then refer to the law of sale summary that they have on screen.
They have a hard topic as well.
And so what I just stated, if you looked at page two, which is for the summary.
You basically see that there that, uh, we've got an overall financing term of 20 years.
That, uh, that the assignment of a plus of the results, a plus was assigned that double rating.
Uh, what's your guarantee?
That's what it looks like.
Uh, that, uh, was there a question?
No, you keep going, George.
Okay.
Uh, my majority, like I said, 20 years out to 2040.
Uh, you know, there's a drop interest rates in the marketplace.
Uh, which, of course, over time there can be, um, any principal that's maturing after 2034.
And out to the final maturity in 2045, can be a refinanced or prepaid.
And so that's, I mean, in your case, there's about 2.8 million of principal or about 70% of the bond is after the call date.
So that's important that we, that means that I am going forward, closing date, the date that funds will hit the city's account is May 7th.
So that's, uh, don't worry there.
Uh, I really appreciate working a lot with, looking at Andrea on this one because it, you know, we did it.
A little bit of, uh, structure the debt in such a way that can maximize the proceeds to, uh, to the city of New Jersey for the project.
And then, uh, also it makes it what I would say is more likely that we can refinance, refinance the bonds in the future and achieve the savings then.
So, uh, Mayor Council, I can certainly address any questions that you have.
Nope, we're good.
I think we got it.
I hope that's not, I hope that's not the tornado, sir.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't be talking with this.
That's my presentation, Mayor Council.
Sorry for the rush here, not being there, but, uh, the only action that you have then this evening relative to the bonds is there was a resolution that was sent down on attorney.
The only action relative to that is, is approval of that.
On page one there, there's a paragraph that starts the resolution for the issuance.
That's really the receipt section there.
As a motion to move forward.
Is it this resolution?
2608.
Yeah.
If you don't have the resolution in your folder because we receive it at like a month today.
So do you want me to make a motion to adopt this on this?
Don't solve.
I'll make that motion.
Okay.
George, I'm hanging up on you, dude.
All right.
Yeah.
Just like we talked about, uh, if you were the mayor, sign and improve.
And then like I said, if somebody was just saying, if you just, uh, resolution blank and we fed the numbers earlier.
Uh, that's really the only action needed on that resolution.
So, all right.
Perfect.
Thank you.
Okay.
Do you say everybody?
All right.
Thank you.
Yeah.
We have a motion and a second.
All in favor.
All right.
Passes for.
I believe that morning was for south of us.
Yeah.
Yes.
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I can do that with my kind of typewriter.
Sorry.
Okay.
Sorry.
Okay.
This one.
No, you can.
All right.
I'll type them.
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I'm sorry.
I think it's yellow.
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Yeah.
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How am I needed?
Gotcha.
Can I do just something right on?
Good morning.
Where are we?
Oh, moving on.
Do you get the names of the motions?
I missed it.
Okay.
All right.
We have a couple more items under admin.
Let her see.
Um, Ivan, would you like to, you requested that our last council meeting?
I brought this up at the last meeting.
I know there's a small number of cities across the day to Minnesota have gone back to the old flag.
For me, the old flag wasn't put in place properly.
The citizens were allowed the opportunity to design a new flag.
Uh, they kind of picked their top winner, went back into committee, was changed severely,
and we ended up having to take the one we have now.
It was never approved by anybody.
Uh, formerly.
So, I would like to see us go back to using the old state flag.
And I'll make that a motion.
Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
All right.
For all.
Next, Ivan.
Okay.
Moving on.
Uh, letter D, the consumption display permit for the bowling alley since there's the, uh,
the setup.
Setup arrangements at the bowling alley.
Uh, Dan's size is required to have a consumption in this play permit.
We do this every year.
Um, he paid the fee.
The information is filled out.
Sent to the state.
We're waiting for it to come back from the state.
So if you could make a motion.
Approving this permit contingent upon.
Get coming back from the state.
I'll make a motion proving.
Permit contingent upon state approval.
Oh, second.
All in favor?
Aye.
Maybe.
This is for all.
Make sure you get something to hang on the wall.
Yes, please.
Oh, yeah.
Thank you.
I said, make sure he gets something he can hang on the wall.
Oh, yeah.
Songs in the park.
Yes, we have.
We've recently received three different contributions for the songs in the parks.
They're in resolution number 10 there for you.
Motion to approve.
Technician 10.
Motion and a second.
All in favor?
Aye.
This is for all.
Public safety.
Okay, we do have a couple items to talk about here as far as the police department.
As you all know, Steve Johnson is resigned as the police chief.
That was effective Friday, April 3rd.
I said that right.
Yep, Friday, April 3rd.
Attached in the packet is his resignation letter.
If we could have a motion to accept this resignation letter, that is the first step.
I'll make a motion to accept the ruling nation from Chief Johnson.
Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
Second step we need to announce that as a personnel committee discussed, Mark Vanderbilt is now our acting police chief until we hire a chief.
That's all he needed.
That's all the BCA needed.
You can give a speech.
I'm going to speak to this.
We want to do that right now.
We've got a plaque here that we'd like to get to see.
He's definitely earned that.
Just on behalf of the city for 24 years of dedicated service to the town and community members and very appreciative of that.
Let me get a better get back up there and shake his hand again.
I did not get a good picture.
You were quick.
Thank you.
Do you get a picture, Mike?
We need a motion to hire a motion in that position.
On what?
For Mark?
For Mark.
I don't think.
If you want to make a motion to it.
I'll make a motion to do that.
That would be because I think they asked him for the count of minutes showing that he was approved.
Okay.
So motion is made to name Mark Van Wilta's acting chief.
Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
All right.
And then the final thing to discuss with the police chief opening is the personnel committee did meet.
We talked about the process.
The steps will go through to find that chief.
We said, man.
I don't want to stop.
The personnel committee suggested we follow the exact same process as we did when Dave Omen retired.
I did talk to the individuals that were part of the interview panel.
And they're all willing to serve on the interview panel.
So we'll have representatives from the school.
Sheriff Doulas will be here on the interview committee.
And then the council of governments will also help.
If you're okay with that, if I could just have a motion to follow the same process as a couple of years ago.
And then I can get, you know, contacting the newspapers and whatnot to get the ads in.
I'll make a motion to follow the procedures that you followed last time.
All in favor?
Aye.
All right.
Thank you.
Cool.
Last but not least.
Joe has patiently been sitting here.
Now it's his turn.
Looking at some quotes for a column barium at the cemetery.
Yeah, as I discussed with you guys at a previous meeting, we've had some inquiries into getting a column barium installed.
I would add the cemetery.
Do you have a picture?
Or do you guys have pictures in your packets?
Yeah.
Just to kind of see what we're talking about.
Two of a couple different companies got a couple different numbers, different models.
Two of the comparable ones are from cold spring.
I think that is the actual cold spring unit picture there.
Six rows across four rows high.
Just kind of a basic starter column barium.
What we're looking at is something, if it catches on, that we can keep adding as we move forward in the future.
Price tags on this one, $48,093 from cold spring.
Now keep in mind that I plan on, if it is approved, I plan on doing the foundation work.
So from that $48,000 deduct $7,300 of up, $40,771 just for the unit itself.
That's not any of the other prep work.
And then from the other company, which is the exact same column barium, it will be $42,175 all without the foundation.
We would do the foundation prep work there.
Just a couple different color options that's available.
And as you can see in that picture, what another thing we have to decide is,
etched front plates versus bronze versus a bronze plate.
I would recommend a bronze plate.
That way, if someone passes, they can just get the plate ordered and we can attach it directly to the front.
Rather than taking the front off, mailing it off to get etched, then bring mail it back and then getting it installed.
That's the first two kind of comparable quotes, but I wanted to get another one presented too.
It's from one of the same companies that create a legacy.
It's for a basic kind of the same model.
It's a 48-space, 48-nish column barium.
But the one thing that I like about this one, I don't know if you have a picture of that one.
It's the Nelson, but it's going to look very similar.
I mean, they're big granite blocks.
One thing I like about this one is it's the ability to put two urns in one space.
So basically it's called a 48-96.
The other two I already talked about are only one urn per space.
So what's really attractive about this one is just the construction of it.
The niches are a little bigger.
And the price for that is after pre-drilling for bronze plates, they'll pre-drill for whatever bronze plate we want to affix to these things.
So with no foundation, it's going to be $25,691.
That's delivered and installed on a slab that we have prepared.
Any questions on those right now?
Go ahead.
Okay, so I was curious.
When you're talking the 48-96 and two urns, that would be for like family marios.
If not, we can sell two separate families to one space or one urn per person.
But in the Nelson, this one for 25, you can put two urns in one spot.
Yeah, husband and wife or whatever have you.
So that's what makes that one a little more attractive, in my opinion.
But Jeff, I haven't yet a question?
Yeah, I noticed in the cold spring specs, item number nine is you have to be able to get a 70-foot long trailer
into the cemetery.
I've already been taught that you can't take a trailer with you when you go.
But getting a 70-foot semi-trailer into the cemetery is not going to be easy.
No, absolutely not.
Yeah, it's a narrow county road.
And if that's something where we have to get payloaders involved or whatever,
I'd be happy to get that thing off of there.
We'll have to be something to be discussed, yeah.
Would you like us to version me when we just compared to a lot?
Actually, we're all set and done pretty comparable, are they?
A lot of the ones in the area, cemeteries that did some checking around, most of them,
for one niche niche, whenever we're going to say it, $2,000 for just about $500 for a bronze plate.
Whereas your traditional burials are what do we have?
$400 for a plot, then $400 to the cemetery are the funeral home and digger, the market and dig it,
then you've got stone, that's so it all has nothing.
So, depending on options, of course.
So the paperback wasn't written to a lot of persons.
Right, right.
And that's the other thing, a lot of people are putting these in, you know, because they're running out of space.
Well, we have space out there, but I just wanted to let you know that we do have space, but there have been inquiries in some of these alternatives too,
so that's why I wanted to bring it forward and see if there's any interest.
Do you have any thoughts versus the granite versus granite plastic on these?
Just from people I've talked to, the full granite construction, which was unlike the Nelson, is kind of ideal.
It just lasts and it's all the same and just looks nicer.
Yeah, because that's one thing, like with that cold spring model, like you just said, it's concrete and polystyrene enclosures with a granite front,
whereas this other one, it's full, all granite construction.
You said you were just, we're only going to do the bronze plates, like this one says you can do black doors.
Yeah, just for ease, I think bronze plates, because you could just call them.
Say this is what we want on them, and that would be a family expense that wouldn't be part of the upfront cost.
Yeah.
So I'm looking here as the cemetery fund has just under $80,000.
So you're talking and running that down about halfway?
Yeah, maybe I'll send it done after half foundation.
If we go with the $25,000 model with, obviously you want to do a little landscaping and stuff around it and dress it up nice.
Now I know you said you wanted to do this mentor to yourself.
I know you're thinking you're going to save some money, but there's enough road projects in town to keep your crew busy besides mowing your grass.
Yeah.
So I'd ask you to reconsider that?
It would be, yeah, from $25, $6.91.
If we go with that model, it would be $29, $5.72 with the pre-drilling included for bronze plates.
Yeah.
What do you recommend, Joe?
If it were me, my recommendation would be move forward with like a Nelson model with bronze plates.
These are some of the examples of bronze plates.
Then you can put the two names on there and then you just add the screw, the dates on, whatever they are.
They're a particular color that everybody deems towards.
So the colors, you have the sheet with the four colors.
Oh, yeah.
I recommend something similar to this, which is kind of a white granite outline with a brown door.
But it's something very similar to that.
Oh, I got to find that.
I know it's here.
There we go.
Yeah, so for that model, the Nelson model, and you can do the white granite exterior with a brown,
harnessed brown door, and that kind of looks nice.
Did you just go back down to that cold spring model?
That's what, essentially, it's essentially what it would look like.
But not that exact model, but that's exactly what it would look like.
So, do you see these being sold as needed, or can they be pre-bought?
You could pre-bile.
But, yeah, you always run the risk.
I know there's one sitting over in Waterville that isn't near capacity.
I've been sitting there for quite a few years, too, so that's just something we have to weigh out,
and that's something we want to move forward with.
But a pre-purchase, absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, if we go with the $27,000 one, we only have to sell 12 or 13 of them and we've made them money.
That's the other thing.
Yeah.
Yep.
You return to be a little quicker, and then as it does, hopefully, if it fills up, and if it's used,
then, yeah, you can move forward.
It's kind of adding another one in at that time.
I like the idea of going with that cheaper option to put the families together,
and it'd be easy for the city to recoup their costs.
If there's two in there, it's double the C, correct?
That's something I still haven't ironed out yet.
Yeah.
What do you do right now, Bob?
Double the fee.
They have both sides of this thing.
You put them in from the front or the back.
I think it'd probably be similar to a regular plot where the first rate of internment is normal price,
and then the second rate of internment is a little lower.
Yeah.
I'm sure.
I thought you were on a trailer to heaven.
When everyone could ride.
So, was that a motion?
I motion for the Nelson 4896.
And the Arctic white and brown.
You're already going to pick the colors, too.
If that's what Joe said, the trend is, then why don't you?
I'll second the motion.
All in favor?
Aye.
King of style.
For all.
Day go yellow.
Anything else?
Nope.
Make a motion to adjourn.
All in favor?
Aye.
For all.
Meeting adjourned at 758.
Now we go on to see if the town is still here.