WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:10.000 Okay. Here we go. Got a full house tonight. How was your labor day? Outstanding. Outstanding. 00:10.000 --> 00:21.000 Do you want to treat? It was very busy in Greenfield though. It was incredibly busy. A lot of fun that we get. 00:21.000 --> 00:29.000 This is the plan commission meeting to be held Tuesday September 8th, 2026 at 6pm. The meeting is called to order. Would you please call the roll? 00:29.000 --> 00:30.000 Present. 00:30.000 --> 00:31.000 Alderperson-Kastner. 00:31.000 --> 00:32.000 Present. 00:32.000 --> 00:33.000 Brian Weiss. 00:33.000 --> 00:34.000 Present. 00:34.000 --> 00:35.000 Don Carlson. 00:35.000 --> 00:36.000 Present. 00:36.000 --> 00:37.000 Bob Krenz. 00:37.000 --> 00:38.000 Present. 00:38.000 --> 00:39.000 Zach Marshall. 00:39.000 --> 00:40.000 Present. 00:40.000 --> 00:41.000 Mike Brazwell. 00:41.000 --> 00:42.000 Here. 00:42.000 --> 00:43.000 Daniel Vojak. 00:43.000 --> 00:44.000 Present. 00:44.000 --> 00:45.000 Randy Lee. 00:45.000 --> 00:55.000 Randy and Danielle are alternates today. They can engage in discussion but can't vote. We have a full house down on the other hand. How you doing, Zach? You doing okay? 00:55.000 --> 00:57.000 Happy birthday. 00:57.000 --> 00:58.000 Happy birthday. 00:58.000 --> 00:59.000 Thank you. 00:59.000 --> 01:00.000 I appreciate it. 01:00.000 --> 01:01.000 No cupcakes. 01:01.000 --> 01:02.000 You buy drinks after. 01:02.000 --> 01:03.000 Yes, drinks on me after. 01:03.000 --> 01:04.000 Really? 01:04.000 --> 01:05.000 Can't do that. 01:05.000 --> 01:06.000 Yeah. 01:06.000 --> 01:07.000 The water refrigerator. 01:07.000 --> 01:09.000 All right. 01:09.000 --> 01:16.000 Item two is the approval of the minutes from the August 11th, 2026 meeting. Is there a motion to approve? 01:16.000 --> 01:17.000 I'll make a motion to approve. 01:17.000 --> 01:19.000 Hi, Commissioner Brazwell. Is there a second? 01:19.000 --> 01:20.000 I'll second. 01:20.000 --> 01:21.000 Thank you. 01:21.000 --> 01:22.000 Commissioner Weiss. All in favor? 01:22.000 --> 01:23.000 Aye. 01:23.000 --> 01:25.000 And I was working as a opposed. 01:25.000 --> 01:26.000 Okay. 01:26.000 --> 01:27.000 Geez. 01:27.000 --> 01:29.000 I like the excuse. 01:29.000 --> 01:32.000 I'm not sure that's a good enough reason. 01:32.000 --> 01:34.000 Did we say all in favor yet? 01:34.000 --> 01:35.000 All in favor? 01:35.000 --> 01:36.000 Aye. 01:36.000 --> 01:40.000 Out of close. Motion carries. Item three, discussion regarding last Common Council meeting? 01:40.000 --> 01:52.000 Just a couple of updates. Burger and Chorema Lab received approval for their special use permit. We also received approvals for the two CSMs that appeared for you. The first one was the St. Francis in 31st. 01:52.000 --> 01:53.960 that was the right-of-way vacation, 01:53.960 --> 01:57.760 as well as the three-parcel CSM over on 35th Street. 01:57.760 --> 02:01.000 And then the landscaping plan for 7800 West Layton 02:01.000 --> 02:02.900 was also approved. 02:02.900 --> 02:04.900 All right, thank you. 02:04.900 --> 02:07.520 Item four is the signage plan appeal for conversion 02:07.520 --> 02:10.240 and height extension of existing double-sided billboard. 02:10.240 --> 02:14.280 So I'm located 10521 West Layton, submitted by Matthew 02:14.280 --> 02:17.560 Gilson doing business as Lamar Central Outdoor LLC, 02:17.560 --> 02:20.480 represented by Frank Voss. 02:20.480 --> 02:21.320 Thank you. 02:21.320 --> 02:23.840 So the existing sign is shown on the right there. 02:23.840 --> 02:25.680 It's currently a static sign. 02:25.680 --> 02:27.760 It's also currently 52 feet. 02:27.760 --> 02:31.280 What we're looking at here is a conversion of that double-sided 02:31.280 --> 02:33.920 billboard to be digital. 02:33.920 --> 02:36.960 The Electronic Message Center, EMC, a portion of that 02:36.960 --> 02:41.080 must comply with section 1919 of the sign code that regulates 02:41.080 --> 02:43.520 brightness, how often it can change, motion, 02:43.520 --> 02:45.680 all of those items. 02:45.680 --> 02:48.280 In addition to the billboard being digitized, 02:48.280 --> 02:49.840 it's also going to be raised. 02:49.840 --> 02:53.440 The photos on the right show the current. 02:53.440 --> 02:55.040 And this is what is being proposed. 02:55.040 --> 02:57.400 It's going to be raised by 10 feet. 02:57.400 --> 02:59.160 To achieve this, a crane will be used 02:59.160 --> 03:01.200 to remove the existing static signs. 03:01.200 --> 03:03.440 And then the post will be modified 03:03.440 --> 03:04.920 to increase the height by 10 feet. 03:04.920 --> 03:07.480 And then the new signage will be installed. 03:07.480 --> 03:09.160 This does not go to Common Council. 03:09.160 --> 03:13.360 Plan Commission has the sole decision-making authority 03:13.360 --> 03:16.280 regarding signage. 03:16.280 --> 03:19.720 Staff recommends approval of the signage plan. 03:19.720 --> 03:22.240 You know, the ironic thing about this sign location 03:22.240 --> 03:24.480 is when Peterbilt was there and they decided 03:24.480 --> 03:28.720 to build the office complex, they promised 03:28.720 --> 03:31.320 that that sign would be removed from that location 03:31.320 --> 03:35.480 when they built the office building. 03:35.480 --> 03:38.720 And apparently our building inspector at the time 03:38.720 --> 03:41.920 didn't think that was an important part of Plan 03:41.920 --> 03:44.400 Commission's wishes. 03:44.400 --> 03:49.440 Albeit, I don't want an old static sign there anymore. 03:49.440 --> 03:52.720 I'd rather have a new funky digital one. 03:52.720 --> 03:56.840 But unfortunately, I think that may be seen from a neighborhood 03:56.840 --> 04:01.480 that might be more than 600 feet away, but it will be seen. 04:01.480 --> 04:01.960 Yeah. 04:01.960 --> 04:08.680 So it's kind of strange is the lower picture right there. 04:08.680 --> 04:09.680 I don't know if you can see. 04:09.680 --> 04:12.080 I don't know if there's no way to do the thing like that, right? 04:15.320 --> 04:17.320 That's where I live. 04:17.360 --> 04:22.480 We're going to cross from that red dot, literally. 04:22.480 --> 04:24.400 Yeah, I'm right there. 04:24.400 --> 04:25.600 I don't have an objection. 04:25.600 --> 04:27.840 I mean, whether it's the only thing 04:27.840 --> 04:30.960 that I would be concerned of with all of these billboards 04:30.960 --> 04:34.360 is the LED technology has improved dramatically 04:34.360 --> 04:38.960 to be certain that the way that the I use a guy from Walmart, 04:38.960 --> 04:41.680 you kind of look like a guy from Walmart. 04:41.680 --> 04:42.680 Yeah. 04:42.680 --> 04:45.280 It's the shade too nice. 04:45.320 --> 04:49.200 Subliminally, you know, that really worked well. 04:49.200 --> 04:53.520 I mean, the concern is that there was another billboard 04:53.520 --> 04:56.840 proposal, I think, on 102nd in Oklahoma, somewhere 04:56.840 --> 04:58.360 over there, or it's coming up. 04:58.360 --> 04:59.280 It's coming up. 04:59.280 --> 05:04.040 And there was one on 894 immediately east 05:04.040 --> 05:06.720 of where your old Lamar sign would 05:06.720 --> 05:08.960 was in the stadium interchange over there. 05:08.960 --> 05:10.400 I'm not sure if you're familiar with that, 05:10.400 --> 05:12.880 where the turf sign is now. 05:12.880 --> 05:18.440 The technology for the LEDs to stay focused on the lines 05:18.440 --> 05:21.800 of sight on the road, as opposed to the, I don't know 05:21.800 --> 05:27.520 what it is, the bleeding over is really important. 05:27.520 --> 05:29.720 Literally from the house that I reside in, 05:29.720 --> 05:33.840 I can see seven or eight billboards along the freeway. 05:33.840 --> 05:36.400 And the ones that are the newer ones 05:36.400 --> 05:40.880 tend to be less obnoxious and obtrusive compared 05:40.880 --> 05:45.120 to the older ones, the static ones, generally. 05:45.120 --> 05:48.920 So I hope you, you know, I mean, I think as a condition of this 05:48.920 --> 05:53.680 is that the staff is comfortable that that technology that I 05:53.680 --> 05:57.800 think we're more well aware of and cognizant of 05:57.800 --> 05:59.640 and have a little bit better expertise 05:59.640 --> 06:01.960 that that technology is used on this billboard 06:01.960 --> 06:04.720 than otherwise I'd have no objection. 06:04.720 --> 06:08.320 It can be any brighter than the one that's by the dump. 06:08.320 --> 06:11.080 You know, on the one that's on. 06:11.080 --> 06:12.280 Thanks, Caroline. 06:12.280 --> 06:13.360 No, for like 51st. 06:13.360 --> 06:16.480 Like 51st in, yeah, in 94 there. 06:16.480 --> 06:17.800 That one's pretty bright. 06:17.800 --> 06:20.480 That one is bright, that's older technology, though, too. 06:20.480 --> 06:24.960 If you look at the one immediately east of the turf, 06:24.960 --> 06:27.760 it is more focused towards the roadway. 06:27.760 --> 06:29.920 Yeah, I can tell you historically, 06:29.920 --> 06:32.040 you are usually a little bit different 06:32.040 --> 06:35.000 than our drivers are in the drive on the city. 06:35.000 --> 06:38.880 But I do know the new signs won't go away again. 06:38.880 --> 06:43.680 Have 252 fitting walls of each and each. 06:43.680 --> 06:45.200 Yeah, I mean, that's what. 06:45.200 --> 06:47.640 What would have been lower than this one? 06:47.640 --> 06:50.840 Yeah, the older ones didn't have near that technology. 06:50.840 --> 06:54.720 Sure, but I mean, it's probably depends on the color, too, right? 06:54.720 --> 06:56.320 You mean, you put some bright colors, 06:56.320 --> 06:58.160 you can get bright light. 06:58.160 --> 06:59.840 Exactly. 06:59.840 --> 07:04.040 Okay, is there, I'll make a motion to approve, 07:04.040 --> 07:06.040 as presented with the Mayor's comments? 07:06.040 --> 07:07.040 Second. 07:07.040 --> 07:08.680 Okay, Commissioner Weiss, 07:08.680 --> 07:10.680 seconded by Commissioner Carlson, all in favor? 07:10.680 --> 07:11.680 Aye. 07:11.680 --> 07:13.680 Opposed, motion carries. 07:13.680 --> 07:18.760 N and 5A and 5B is especially used for the American National Red Cross, 07:18.760 --> 07:22.240 a proposed blood donation centered relocated 50, 07:22.240 --> 07:24.680 05 South 76th Street. 07:24.680 --> 07:28.400 This also includes a site review. 07:28.400 --> 07:31.720 Does anybody have any objection to the American Red Cross 07:31.720 --> 07:33.520 coming to our city? 07:33.520 --> 07:34.960 This location. 07:34.960 --> 07:37.920 If you are, is the Red Cross here this evening? 07:37.920 --> 07:38.920 Yes. 07:38.920 --> 07:41.800 Well, he's been sitting here for a long time, 07:41.800 --> 07:43.720 so he should talk about it for a while. 07:43.720 --> 07:44.720 No. 07:44.720 --> 07:47.440 I'd make a motion to approve the item as presented. 07:47.440 --> 07:48.440 I'll say. 07:48.440 --> 07:51.000 Those are good hours. 07:51.000 --> 07:52.000 It's good hours. 07:52.000 --> 07:55.680 It's a vitally important thing, I think, to our community 07:55.680 --> 07:57.600 and the community as a whole everywhere. 07:57.600 --> 08:00.080 Is it just blood or is it platelets, too? 08:00.080 --> 08:01.840 Is it just blood donation? 08:02.320 --> 08:03.320 OK. 08:03.320 --> 08:04.320 Yeah. 08:04.320 --> 08:05.320 There's a real need for that. 08:05.320 --> 08:06.320 Not the platelets? 08:06.320 --> 08:07.320 Yes. 08:07.320 --> 08:08.320 Oh, platelets, also. 08:08.320 --> 08:10.360 And you pay for that, too? 08:10.360 --> 08:14.560 And do they pay out for that, too? 08:14.560 --> 08:15.560 Ooh, it's donation. 08:15.560 --> 08:16.560 No, it's all donation. 08:16.560 --> 08:17.560 No, it's all donation. 08:17.560 --> 08:18.560 Yeah. 08:18.560 --> 08:19.560 Oh, it's for diversity. 08:19.560 --> 08:20.560 Yeah. 08:20.560 --> 08:21.560 For it that way. 08:21.560 --> 08:22.560 Vericity pays, don't they? 08:22.560 --> 08:23.560 No. 08:23.560 --> 08:24.560 Vericity is. 08:24.560 --> 08:25.560 No. 08:25.560 --> 08:26.560 I just don't. 08:26.560 --> 08:27.560 I'm not even honest. 08:27.560 --> 08:28.560 You can get a free t-shirt. 08:28.560 --> 08:29.560 Or a hat or something. 08:29.560 --> 08:30.560 Or a hat or something. 08:30.560 --> 08:31.560 I made the motion. 08:31.560 --> 08:32.560 Is there a second? 08:32.560 --> 08:33.560 No. 08:33.560 --> 08:34.560 A second. 08:34.560 --> 08:35.560 Oh, Brian is your wife. 08:35.560 --> 08:36.560 All in favor? 08:36.560 --> 08:37.560 Aye. 08:37.560 --> 08:38.560 Post-motion carries. 08:38.560 --> 08:39.560 I apologize. 08:39.560 --> 08:40.560 I didn't quite hear. 08:40.560 --> 08:41.560 Who made the second? 08:41.560 --> 08:42.560 Me. 08:42.560 --> 08:43.560 Brian. 08:43.560 --> 08:44.560 OK. 08:44.560 --> 08:45.560 So, be here first. 08:45.560 --> 08:46.560 Me. 08:46.560 --> 08:47.560 Brian. 08:47.560 --> 08:48.560 Yeah. 08:48.560 --> 08:49.560 Incorporating comments that you had. 08:49.560 --> 08:54.560 Item 6A and 6B is a certified survey map combining three commercial lots. 08:54.560 --> 09:00.520 Look at it, 59, 49, 59, 80, and 80, 59, 81, South 27th Street. 09:00.520 --> 09:06.440 By Department of Work doing Businesses Greenfield Veterinary Clinic, represented by Ahmad Nadi. 09:06.440 --> 09:08.840 This is also a site landscaping review. 09:08.840 --> 09:09.840 Yeah. 09:09.840 --> 09:13.920 So, I do want to mention, because it kind of looks like it's just two lots. 09:13.920 --> 09:16.800 There is a third lot back here. 09:16.800 --> 09:17.960 So that is being incorporated. 09:17.960 --> 09:22.400 So in case you were wondering where the third lot is, it's this portion back here that will 09:22.400 --> 09:23.800 be incorporated as well. 09:23.800 --> 09:25.640 So it's a three-light lot combo. 09:25.640 --> 09:27.640 Are they here tonight? 09:27.640 --> 09:28.640 Yes. 09:28.640 --> 09:30.280 Back right. 09:30.280 --> 09:36.000 So, in general, the CSM is required because the owner of the vet clinic intentionally 09:36.000 --> 09:41.360 purchased that property to the north because they want to expand their parking lot. 09:41.360 --> 09:44.440 After driving in the parking lot, it's very, very tight. 09:44.440 --> 09:47.280 So this is very needed and will definitely help enhance their business. 09:47.280 --> 09:50.320 I make a motion to approve the item as presented. 09:50.320 --> 09:54.680 It's getting rid of the ISOR next door that's improving that business, which is would you 09:54.680 --> 09:58.280 someone invested a whole bunch of money into recently? 09:58.280 --> 09:59.280 So that's a beautiful thing. 09:59.280 --> 10:00.280 Did someone second it? 10:00.280 --> 10:01.280 I'll second it. 10:01.280 --> 10:03.160 Commissioner Braswell seconds. 10:03.160 --> 10:08.160 This is a business in Greenfield that has flourished for many, many years and keeps getting 10:08.160 --> 10:09.160 better and better. 10:09.160 --> 10:10.160 Absolutely. 10:10.160 --> 10:11.160 I'm kind of proud of it. 10:11.160 --> 10:12.160 Motion. 10:12.160 --> 10:13.160 I am too. 10:13.160 --> 10:14.160 Motion made and seconded. 10:14.160 --> 10:15.160 All in favor? 10:15.160 --> 10:16.160 Aye. 10:16.160 --> 10:17.160 Thank you. 10:17.160 --> 10:18.160 Opposed? 10:18.160 --> 10:19.160 Motion carries. 10:19.160 --> 10:22.160 Can each other's a Cubs game tonight? 10:22.160 --> 10:23.160 Against the burger. 10:23.160 --> 10:24.160 No, sir. 10:24.160 --> 10:26.480 Next one is seven temporary use permit for heat Haven, Santa Park are proposed season 10:26.480 --> 10:31.200 all out to our community, Santa Park be located 4930 West Loomis, Loomis submitted 10:31.200 --> 10:35.960 by Jesse Hive. 10:35.960 --> 10:39.040 That picture isn't the actual one, is it? 10:39.040 --> 10:41.800 Did they do it in this permission? 10:41.800 --> 10:49.560 So this temporary use was previously in Wauwatosa at Hart Park. 10:49.560 --> 10:51.560 So they were located there. 10:51.560 --> 10:53.720 They were very successful. 10:53.720 --> 10:56.280 We did reach out to Wauwatosa to see how did it go. 10:56.320 --> 10:57.920 They said no issues. 10:57.920 --> 11:02.240 They said it basically operated at any one of their other parks and rock add-on activities 11:02.240 --> 11:04.840 in terms of how well we're in. 11:04.840 --> 11:07.840 Are they here tonight? 11:07.840 --> 11:12.120 They are going to have three barrel saunas. 11:12.120 --> 11:14.520 Those are located here. 11:14.520 --> 11:16.720 They're also going to have changing rooms with locking doors. 11:16.720 --> 11:18.200 They'll also have lockers. 11:18.200 --> 11:24.040 They have a cold shower that is located in the semi-heated greenhouse there. 11:24.040 --> 11:28.360 The cold shower is serviced by a hose and then the water is dumped over the individual. 11:28.360 --> 11:29.880 There's no soap or anything. 11:29.880 --> 11:34.480 So from a regulatory standpoint, it is not considered gray water. 11:34.480 --> 11:37.120 So it basically gets regulated like a splash pad would. 11:37.120 --> 11:41.400 I mentioned that just in terms of in case you care about sanitary and sewer lines and 11:41.400 --> 11:42.560 all that kind of stuff. 11:42.560 --> 11:44.920 But that is how it is run. 11:44.920 --> 11:50.120 The hours of operation, they are only open when bloom coffee garden is also open. 11:50.120 --> 11:52.960 So if bloom isn't open, they will not be open. 11:52.960 --> 11:54.440 So they're only open together. 11:54.440 --> 11:56.760 This is their proposed hours. 11:56.760 --> 11:59.200 They have two full-time employees. 11:59.200 --> 12:01.800 Bloom was reviewed back in April of 2024. 12:01.800 --> 12:03.200 There's no new issues. 12:03.200 --> 12:04.200 Staff recommended. 12:04.200 --> 12:05.720 Such nice people there, don't they? 12:05.720 --> 12:06.720 No. 12:06.720 --> 12:08.720 All right. 12:08.720 --> 12:12.960 Is the liquor license expanding to this area? 12:12.960 --> 12:15.400 I am not aware that the liquor license is expanding. 12:15.400 --> 12:22.920 In order to do that, they would need to apply to the clerk's office and amend the premises 12:23.920 --> 12:24.920 description. 12:24.920 --> 12:25.920 I don't believe they want to. 12:25.920 --> 12:26.920 Is there a liquor license? 12:26.920 --> 12:31.920 Do you intend on serving alcohol out of these things or allowing them to drink alcohol? 12:31.920 --> 12:36.920 I am standing in for just a few, but I can have some. 12:36.920 --> 12:37.920 Okay. 12:37.920 --> 12:38.920 If they do, you have to follow rules. 12:38.920 --> 12:43.640 So as it sits tonight, you don't have a liquor license because there have to be an expansion 12:43.640 --> 12:46.520 of the premises, the extension of the premises. 12:46.520 --> 12:51.160 I wouldn't be against it, but it just needs to be done right. 12:51.160 --> 12:52.600 Is there a motion to approve this? 12:52.600 --> 12:54.280 I just have a quick question. 12:54.280 --> 12:58.840 People who use the cold shower, they're going to be told not to bring their own soap. 12:58.840 --> 13:04.160 The people who use the son is, will they be told not to bring their own soap for that 13:04.160 --> 13:05.160 cold shower? 13:05.160 --> 13:09.720 It's not necessarily a shower or just a cold rinse. 13:09.720 --> 13:10.720 Okay. 13:10.720 --> 13:11.720 Okay. 13:11.720 --> 13:12.720 Very good. 13:12.720 --> 13:13.720 Okay. 13:13.720 --> 13:21.360 What are the locker rooms going to just be containers or curtains or what? 13:21.360 --> 13:38.320 I did talk to Jesse about it about the locker rooms and they will be the changing rooms. 13:38.320 --> 13:43.000 The changing rooms will have doors with locks on them, so not curtains. 13:43.000 --> 13:44.080 Just not a curtain. 13:44.080 --> 13:45.080 Not curtains. 13:45.080 --> 13:46.080 Doors with locks. 13:46.080 --> 13:47.960 Is there a motion to approve? 13:47.960 --> 13:48.960 Was there a motion to approve? 13:48.960 --> 13:51.160 I'll make a motion to approve. 13:51.160 --> 13:52.160 Castner made the motion. 13:52.160 --> 13:53.160 Is there a second by Carlson? 13:53.160 --> 13:54.160 All in favor? 13:54.160 --> 13:55.160 Aye. 13:55.160 --> 13:56.160 Aye. 13:56.160 --> 13:57.160 Opposed? 13:57.160 --> 13:58.160 Motion carries. 13:58.160 --> 13:59.160 Welcome. 13:59.160 --> 14:00.160 Welcome. 14:00.160 --> 14:01.160 Yeah? 14:01.160 --> 14:03.160 More fun. 14:03.160 --> 14:08.600 Item made is architectural plan review for Starlight Wellness Clinic and Spa located at 6825 West 14:08.600 --> 14:10.080 Lake in Avenue. 14:10.080 --> 14:11.080 Real small, real easy. 14:11.080 --> 14:13.920 They want to change the front entrance of their building. 14:13.920 --> 14:14.920 Right now it's windows. 14:14.920 --> 14:15.920 They want to put a door there. 14:15.920 --> 14:18.520 I'd make a motion to approve the item as presented. 14:18.520 --> 14:19.520 I'll second. 14:19.600 --> 14:21.080 Seconded by Commissioner. 14:21.080 --> 14:25.480 I'm assuming there's going to be like a walkway or something there. 14:25.480 --> 14:26.480 Yes it'll. 14:26.480 --> 14:27.480 It's just blocked by a. 14:27.480 --> 14:30.160 It has a landing and then a ramp. 14:30.160 --> 14:31.160 Okay. 14:31.160 --> 14:35.920 So that way it's ADA compliant both in the front and they're retaining their other entrance, 14:35.920 --> 14:37.280 which is ADA compliant as well. 14:37.280 --> 14:38.280 So there'll be two. 14:38.280 --> 14:39.280 Those guys here tonight. 14:39.280 --> 14:40.280 Is that you? 14:40.280 --> 14:41.280 Your Starlight? 14:41.280 --> 14:42.280 Okay. 14:42.280 --> 14:43.280 All right. 14:43.280 --> 14:44.280 Motion was made and seconded. 14:44.280 --> 14:45.280 All in favor? 14:45.280 --> 14:46.280 Aye. 14:46.280 --> 14:47.280 Opposed? 14:47.280 --> 14:48.280 Motion carries. 14:48.280 --> 14:53.040 Item 9A, 9B, Special East Front for Gold Coast Subs Food Truck, a proposed food truck 14:53.040 --> 14:57.840 home base located at 4263 West Lake and this is behind the business. 14:57.840 --> 15:04.800 This is also a site review for Gold Coast, which is leased from the food carol folks. 15:04.800 --> 15:08.840 So what we're looking at here, Gold Coast Subs is an existing limited service restaurant 15:08.840 --> 15:14.320 and they're just looking to add the food truck home base to this property for one food truck. 15:14.320 --> 15:17.000 The properties on C2, so it's special use. 15:17.000 --> 15:19.520 Cars of operation are 7 to 10. 15:19.520 --> 15:23.360 Daily parking requirements, 55 are required, 40 are provided, common council can waive 15:23.360 --> 15:25.160 that shortage. 15:25.160 --> 15:27.880 Site review, everything about the site seemed fine. 15:27.880 --> 15:32.560 The engineering staff here are working with the property owner regarding some concerns 15:32.560 --> 15:38.360 regarding gravel washout into a catch basin, but that is something that engineering is 15:38.360 --> 15:40.880 working with the property owner to address. 15:40.880 --> 15:43.800 The public hearing may be scheduled on October 20th. 15:43.800 --> 15:46.940 I just want to, before we vote on this, I want to 15:46.940 --> 15:54.260 point out that this gentleman here purchased the building when he was held for you, 19. 15:54.260 --> 15:57.180 He's a budding entrepreneur. 15:57.180 --> 16:03.620 This weekend, last weekend, on Saturday we had a pretty big event over at the turf. 16:03.620 --> 16:06.460 I think there are probably three or four hundred people or five hundred. 16:06.460 --> 16:08.940 There's a lot throughout the day. 16:08.940 --> 16:10.260 He had his food truck there. 16:10.260 --> 16:14.900 I think he did a pretty robust business and it was an honor having you there over the 16:14.900 --> 16:15.900 weekend. 16:16.900 --> 16:24.020 You're a wonderful part of our community and thank you very much. 16:24.020 --> 16:30.620 I wish every 18, 19, 21 had the ambition that you do. 16:30.620 --> 16:32.780 I'll make a motion to approve. 16:32.780 --> 16:35.180 Commissioner Carlson, is there a second? 16:35.180 --> 16:36.180 Marshall. 16:36.180 --> 16:38.180 He's his son's escape order. 16:38.180 --> 16:39.180 I will second. 16:39.180 --> 16:40.180 Sorry. 16:40.180 --> 16:47.380 Under discussion, I go there quite often and I enjoy their say cheese sandwich a lot. 16:47.380 --> 16:53.660 I just learned something on Sunday after I drove five miles across the city on my bicycle. 16:53.660 --> 16:54.660 What's that? 16:54.660 --> 16:55.660 I don't. 16:55.660 --> 16:56.660 Yeah. 16:56.660 --> 16:57.660 Yeah. 16:57.660 --> 16:58.660 He was at the... 16:58.660 --> 16:59.660 Good though. 16:59.660 --> 17:00.660 That's good. 17:00.660 --> 17:02.900 I'll have to go back. 17:02.900 --> 17:06.180 Motion was made and seconded. 17:06.180 --> 17:09.700 Just under discussion, the event went really, really well. 17:09.700 --> 17:15.700 It was sort of, I don't know if it was, it wasn't impromptu, but it wasn't a city sponsored 17:15.700 --> 17:16.700 event. 17:16.700 --> 17:20.100 A local skateboarder kind of started it. 17:20.100 --> 17:21.900 Stage wasn't open like early on. 17:21.900 --> 17:27.580 The stage was open and music was playing from it, not bands though. 17:27.580 --> 17:32.940 We didn't get power to the turf until about one or two o'clock Friday afternoon or while. 17:32.940 --> 17:37.900 I want to point out that we would have had water. 17:37.900 --> 17:42.140 And although the Milwaukee Water Works Inspector was there throughout the entire construction 17:42.140 --> 17:48.740 process of the meter pit and said everything was great. 17:48.740 --> 17:54.820 And despite the efforts to get the water there and to get a meter installed so that 17:54.820 --> 18:02.780 we would have water at the turf, because there was water in the pit and there wasn't 18:02.780 --> 18:09.460 a ladder, even though the pit was designed consistent with Milwaukee Water Works and 18:09.460 --> 18:14.500 was approved by Milwaukee Water Works, even though there was a sump pump there that could 18:14.500 --> 18:16.420 have taken the water out. 18:16.420 --> 18:20.260 And even though there were other contractors on site that could have dropped a ladder into 18:20.260 --> 18:26.780 the pit to install the meter, the meter installer decided that he wasn't going to do it. 18:26.780 --> 18:29.100 So I want to thank... 18:29.100 --> 18:35.380 So we go through this, this is a learning exercise for especially the new ones. 18:35.380 --> 18:39.580 We spend a tremendous amount of time, staff spends a tremendous amount of time before 18:39.580 --> 18:46.580 we get to this point to make sure that everything's in order and everything is, you know, sometimes 18:46.580 --> 18:51.420 things change and sometimes we don't catch everything. 18:51.420 --> 18:55.980 But once it gets approved here and it gets approved by the council, there's another step 18:55.980 --> 19:01.140 beyond that, which is our inspectors, which is, you know, engineering stuff, and then 19:01.140 --> 19:04.900 yeah, there's all sorts of things that could happen. 19:04.900 --> 19:09.860 The thing that's disappointing to me and when other communities, maybe larger ones that 19:09.860 --> 19:17.620 are adjacent to us without naming names, do things like they did, potentially, by analogy 19:17.620 --> 19:25.260 with the water meter, you can ruin everything that you've done up until that point. 19:25.260 --> 19:32.340 As far as customer service and being, you know, getting folks to invest in your community. 19:32.340 --> 19:36.900 So it was extremely disappointing that we didn't have what, we had the bathrooms were 19:36.900 --> 19:40.540 done, the contractors, we were done. 19:40.540 --> 19:45.380 And somebody didn't want to wait around to go down a ladder that we could have, he should 19:45.380 --> 19:49.180 have a ladder in his truck, I would think. 19:49.180 --> 19:52.500 And that is just incredibly disappointing to me. 19:52.500 --> 19:58.780 So that being said, he was a rock star, he was there the entire day, I think he had 19:58.780 --> 20:03.620 a pretty good turnout, was really fun after the event. 20:03.620 --> 20:08.940 Everything was cleaned up, there were volunteers working with the folks, they had their own 20:08.940 --> 20:14.580 little orange things on, they were picking up, I went Sunday morning and looked around 20:14.580 --> 20:17.140 bright and early, the place looked spotless. 20:17.140 --> 20:18.620 Does the meter in? 20:18.980 --> 20:21.940 The meter is still not in. 20:21.940 --> 20:30.340 I did drive down the expressway coming back from the airport and did notice this big American 20:30.340 --> 20:32.900 flag from the road. 20:32.900 --> 20:38.060 Elder person Kastner was very instrumental in recognizing how important it is to provide 20:38.060 --> 20:42.620 mass to the site and thought that three flag poles would be there, there's an American 20:42.620 --> 20:47.420 flag with an eagle that goes with the wind, there's also a turf flag and a green field 20:47.460 --> 20:54.460 flag at that event on Saturday, literally had a dozen, two dozen people come up to me 20:54.460 --> 20:58.100 and say, how do I get one of them flags? 20:58.100 --> 21:01.020 The turf flag. 21:01.020 --> 21:07.500 But no, the site, the park, Eric Dresson, who was an escape boarding hall of fame was 21:07.500 --> 21:15.620 there over the weekend, really nicely, really great skateboarder. 21:15.620 --> 21:21.860 He said it's one of the top three parks in the country, the historical significance 21:21.860 --> 21:24.540 places near the top. 21:24.540 --> 21:35.620 So there were license plates from Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, tons from 21:35.620 --> 21:38.900 Wisconsin, a lot of folks came up from Northern Illinois. 21:38.900 --> 21:39.900 That's any given weekend. 21:39.900 --> 21:43.260 You can go there, well, it's raining, potentially. 21:43.260 --> 21:47.100 But if you go there tonight, you'll see people from all over. 21:47.100 --> 21:48.100 That's awesome. 21:48.100 --> 21:49.100 They need a hotel to stay in. 21:49.100 --> 21:54.820 Well, we did a study and it was premature at the time, but, you know, because of, you 21:54.820 --> 22:01.860 know, but another quick thing, next door to the turf, and the reason I'm bringing this 22:01.860 --> 22:07.620 up is because he was at the turf, so I'm stretching what I can say, it sounds like the 22:07.620 --> 22:14.260 building's next door, the big tech, light industrial spaces that should be starting 22:14.260 --> 22:19.500 in three to four weeks or sooner, so that's a good thing. 22:19.500 --> 22:20.500 So, all right, sorry. 22:20.500 --> 22:21.500 There's a motion. 22:21.500 --> 22:22.500 There's a motion. 22:22.500 --> 22:23.500 Motion is second. 22:23.500 --> 22:24.500 All in favor. 22:24.500 --> 22:25.500 Aye. 22:25.500 --> 22:26.500 Opposed? 22:26.500 --> 22:27.500 Motion carries. 22:27.500 --> 22:28.500 Thank you. 22:28.500 --> 22:29.500 And all you do? 22:29.500 --> 22:30.500 Absolutely. 22:30.500 --> 22:31.500 Keep it up. 22:31.500 --> 22:32.500 It's doing great. 22:32.500 --> 22:33.500 Thank you. 22:33.500 --> 22:34.500 Thank you. 22:34.500 --> 22:40.260 For the Cobblestone Hotel and Suites of Provost Hotel to be located at 8,900 Cera Lane, submitted 22:40.260 --> 22:45.860 by Jeremy Grisbach, doing businesses, Cobblestone Hotel Development LLC. 22:45.860 --> 22:49.900 This is also the site landscaping and architectural review. 22:49.900 --> 22:54.740 This is a matter of first impression for most people, so. 22:54.740 --> 22:59.140 So what we're looking at is the final building pad in 84 South, which is incredibly exciting 22:59.140 --> 23:02.300 to really see it to the very end here. 23:02.380 --> 23:06.660 So, Cobblestone Hotel, in Suites, they're going to construct a four-story building. 23:06.660 --> 23:10.260 It'll be approximately 36,800 square feet. 23:10.260 --> 23:13.100 The property is on PUD, which is a special use. 23:13.100 --> 23:19.180 However, very similar to the other projects that have appeared in 84 South recently, such 23:19.180 --> 23:25.220 as Cooper's Hawks, Starbucks, Chipotle, all of that, because there was an intensive amount 23:25.220 --> 23:30.420 of public participation during the 84th South Creation Project. 23:30.420 --> 23:34.060 In the past, public hearings have been waived by Plan Commission for these projects. 23:34.060 --> 23:38.060 Therefore, Plan Commission may choose to waive the public hearing requirement for this as 23:38.060 --> 23:39.060 well. 23:39.060 --> 23:42.780 Five full-time employees, ten part-time employees. 23:42.780 --> 23:46.300 It's going to be not only a hotel, but it'll have an indoor pool. 23:46.300 --> 23:50.300 It'll offer continental breakfast, a fitness area, beer, and wine bar. 23:50.300 --> 23:55.220 It is a hotel, so the hours of operation are 24, 7, 365. 23:55.220 --> 23:57.140 The hearing requirement, 66, are required. 23:57.140 --> 24:04.620 They will provide 124 spaces that does include the ones down here as well. 24:04.620 --> 24:09.740 This, if the public hearing is waived, it could be expedited to next week's Common 24:09.740 --> 24:12.420 Council meeting on September 15th. 24:12.420 --> 24:16.780 Just looking through some elevations and materials, the elevations are shown. 24:16.780 --> 24:22.860 The South Elevation here is the primary entrance that faces into the 84 South property. 24:22.860 --> 24:26.420 The North Elevation is what is going to face the freeway. 24:26.420 --> 24:32.260 In terms of materials, they are proposing a thin-stone veneer, which is over here, and 24:32.260 --> 24:35.340 then they are going to have cement siding. 24:35.340 --> 24:41.060 Even though the color swatch is solid, it's a siding color, so there's going to be lots 24:41.060 --> 24:42.060 of lines. 24:42.060 --> 24:44.300 It's not going to look like ethos at all. 24:44.300 --> 24:48.260 Over on the right, I'm just showing a picture from their recent building that opened up 24:48.260 --> 24:52.060 in Waukesha. 24:52.060 --> 24:57.260 It has the same, the stone veneer is the same. 24:57.260 --> 25:01.140 This is Efis, so we won't have that portion of it, and they aren't proposing any of the 25:01.140 --> 25:05.140 dark color, but I just wanted to show kind of what this little square looks like when 25:05.140 --> 25:08.980 you put it on a whole building and a whole side of the building. 25:08.980 --> 25:13.660 Can we stop there and I complain maybe? 25:13.660 --> 25:20.620 See how that picture of the Waukesha building and the elevation of the brown area is higher 25:20.700 --> 25:22.300 than the rest of the building? 25:22.300 --> 25:27.740 I don't see any of that differentiation in the building that is being presented here, 25:27.740 --> 25:33.980 and I think that would help tremendously on the design and feel of the building. 25:33.980 --> 25:37.420 You're saying just before the dark area? 25:37.420 --> 25:45.220 Where the dark area is, similar to where the entrance, bring it up like this one is to give 25:45.220 --> 25:48.380 it more, because that's what you're going to see. 25:48.380 --> 25:50.980 You're not going to see the cars parked on the parking lot. 25:50.980 --> 25:57.020 You're going to see this beautiful building with this kind of, now you'll see kind of 25:57.020 --> 26:04.860 an up and down, it'll look, no, no, no, I'm just saying you just need that extra height 26:04.860 --> 26:09.860 above the roof light like you did in that one, exactly right there. 26:09.860 --> 26:18.180 I actually like the brown area. 26:18.180 --> 26:21.220 I think we can get a Hyperion, so I don't think that'd be an issue. 26:21.220 --> 26:25.260 Based on the, and I don't know what it is on top of my head, but the Aurora building's 26:25.260 --> 26:31.260 five stories, so yeah, so I assume that the PUD allows for up to five, so I don't think 26:31.260 --> 26:32.900 you'd be carrying on that. 26:32.900 --> 26:34.380 I like to be sharp as well. 26:34.380 --> 26:36.540 I like the brown, actually. 26:36.540 --> 26:44.700 I'm sorry, I'm not using the right terminology, and if one of our designers, they'd all are 26:44.700 --> 26:47.540 happy, but I think you'll understand what I'm saying. 26:47.540 --> 26:48.540 That's dimension. 26:48.540 --> 26:49.540 Yeah. 26:49.540 --> 26:50.620 I like that a lot better. 26:50.620 --> 26:54.740 So basically, the same design, the same design as Waukesha, except where the EFS is, it'll 26:54.740 --> 27:02.060 be the cement board, hardy board that we use, that'll give it the lines and draw it in. 27:02.060 --> 27:03.060 Yeah. 27:03.060 --> 27:04.060 Okay. 27:04.060 --> 27:05.060 We can do that. 27:06.060 --> 27:07.060 And Micah, whatever. 27:07.060 --> 27:09.060 Yeah, I think that's true. 27:09.060 --> 27:10.060 Yeah. 27:10.060 --> 27:15.060 And then Hooper's Hawk has that same darkness, so that'll tie in a little bit. 27:15.060 --> 27:16.060 Point is together. 27:16.060 --> 27:17.060 Yeah. 27:17.060 --> 27:18.060 Perfect. 27:18.060 --> 27:21.820 Is it going to have any community rooms or spaces to rent out? 27:21.820 --> 27:27.220 We do have a meeting room in, probably 40-ish people in there that can be rented out, and 27:27.220 --> 27:30.940 then also our breakfast room slash bar, it can be rented out during the day if people 27:30.940 --> 27:34.060 wanted to do, like, offsite meetings for a couple hours or breakout meetings or something 27:34.060 --> 27:35.060 like that. 27:35.060 --> 27:38.900 So we're not looking to be a conference center or anything like that, but there are, you 27:38.900 --> 27:44.420 know, whether it's a gift openings the day after a wedding could be the get ready for 27:44.420 --> 27:49.060 the wedding room, you know, like the bridesmaids prep room can be rented out during the week 27:49.060 --> 27:51.580 for offsite meetings and the such. 27:51.580 --> 27:52.580 There. 27:52.580 --> 27:53.580 Yep. 27:53.580 --> 27:54.580 Showers. 27:54.580 --> 27:55.580 Wedding showers, baby showers. 27:55.580 --> 27:56.580 Yeah. 27:56.580 --> 27:57.580 Try these cold showers. 27:57.580 --> 27:58.580 Depends on them. 27:58.580 --> 27:59.580 With lock doors. 27:59.580 --> 28:00.580 Yeah. 28:00.580 --> 28:01.580 No, it's hope. 28:01.580 --> 28:03.580 I have to bring you room. 28:03.580 --> 28:04.580 Yeah. 28:04.580 --> 28:05.580 I see this. 28:05.580 --> 28:06.580 Okay. 28:06.580 --> 28:09.980 Has the bar with the beer and wine, are you looking to get a full liquor license? 28:09.980 --> 28:13.140 If the license is available, we would probably just go for the full liquor license as long 28:13.140 --> 28:16.820 as the cost isn't exponentially more than a beer and wine license. 28:16.820 --> 28:19.620 It's all different in every city, obviously what's available and whatnot. 28:19.620 --> 28:24.380 So it's part of the recommendation is there's no objection to a full service liquor. 28:24.380 --> 28:25.620 No objection. 28:25.620 --> 28:26.620 I would encourage that. 28:26.620 --> 28:27.620 Yeah. 28:27.620 --> 28:28.620 We're not looking to be the local tavern. 28:28.620 --> 28:29.620 No. 28:29.620 --> 28:30.620 No service for the guys. 28:30.620 --> 28:31.620 I think for yes, it makes sense. 28:31.620 --> 28:32.620 Yep. 28:32.620 --> 28:33.620 Perfect. 28:33.620 --> 28:35.420 Not the margaritas at the holiday in that place. 28:35.420 --> 28:36.420 No. 28:36.420 --> 28:37.420 No, the holiday. 28:37.420 --> 28:38.420 No. 28:38.420 --> 28:39.420 Remember that. 28:39.420 --> 28:40.420 You'll see on that thing too. 28:40.420 --> 28:43.980 It says possible future outdoor activation. 28:43.980 --> 28:47.620 There's this idea that maybe there'll be a patio out there is something. 28:47.620 --> 28:48.620 Yeah. 28:48.620 --> 28:51.700 We talked about doing different things, you know, and again, they're just all ideas. 28:51.700 --> 28:55.740 So I hate to put anything on record, but it just gives us a, you know, if we do it as 28:55.780 --> 29:00.220 grass to begin with and do some nice landscaping out there, we can always upgrade it later, 29:00.220 --> 29:03.380 but we could also do a different sort of little public outings or something like that 29:03.380 --> 29:07.180 out there and have that as a space that could be used to draw more people to the area for 29:07.180 --> 29:08.980 special events or something like that. 29:08.980 --> 29:09.980 Very good. 29:09.980 --> 29:10.980 A good sunset sign. 29:10.980 --> 29:11.980 I don't know. 29:11.980 --> 29:12.980 I don't know. 29:12.980 --> 29:13.980 I don't know. 29:13.980 --> 29:14.980 The set lines. 29:14.980 --> 29:15.980 Why not? 29:15.980 --> 29:16.980 We're trying to figure out a set line. 29:16.980 --> 29:19.980 I don't think you'd have the set lines with a sunset line. 29:19.980 --> 29:20.980 In the late. 29:20.980 --> 29:21.980 Sorry. 29:21.980 --> 29:25.580 So with regard to signage, you'd probably want to sign along the freeway. 29:25.820 --> 29:27.900 Yeah, we normally put the signs on the building. 29:27.900 --> 29:37.340 We'd love to do for sure the freeway facing and then also the parking lot facing sides. 29:37.340 --> 29:42.420 If we could do the sides of the building, if we could do all four sides, if that worked, 29:42.420 --> 29:43.900 that'd be the best case scenario for us. 29:43.900 --> 29:48.060 But if that's an issue, we for sure would like the two on the highway facing side and 29:48.060 --> 29:51.060 then I'm going to call it the parking lot facing side. 29:51.060 --> 29:52.060 Mm-hmm. 29:52.060 --> 29:54.060 Will anyone see them on the sides? 29:54.540 --> 29:56.380 I mean, it's going to be blocked by both buildings. 29:56.380 --> 29:59.700 Yeah, I guess it'd be blocked by Aurora coming from the South. 29:59.700 --> 30:00.700 Yeah, and then. 30:00.700 --> 30:01.700 OK, drive by. 30:01.700 --> 30:02.700 Yeah, I think you're right. 30:02.700 --> 30:04.180 I think if we had the two, we'd be fine. 30:04.180 --> 30:05.180 Yeah. 30:05.180 --> 30:07.180 And if you're in the parking lot, it's right there. 30:07.180 --> 30:08.180 You'd be surprised. 30:08.180 --> 30:09.180 Yeah. 30:09.180 --> 30:10.180 Could anyone? 30:10.180 --> 30:11.180 Oh, I can imagine. 30:11.180 --> 30:13.620 You haven't done this analysis of the pictures. 30:13.620 --> 30:14.620 Have you? 30:14.620 --> 30:15.620 Yeah. 30:15.620 --> 30:18.780 Just because I'm sure there's a sign code waiver coming at some point. 30:18.780 --> 30:19.780 Generally speaking. 30:19.780 --> 30:21.140 So they showed me two wall signs. 30:21.140 --> 30:23.940 They're allowed to have two wall signs. 30:23.940 --> 30:28.580 They're allowed at 200 square feet of signage, I'm sure it's, or 250. 30:28.580 --> 30:29.580 So I just. 30:29.580 --> 30:34.140 So the ones that are represented in the pictures that you saw, I think that's pretty cool. 30:34.140 --> 30:35.140 Yeah. 30:35.140 --> 30:37.060 I think that's the appropriate size. 30:37.060 --> 30:38.060 No. 30:38.060 --> 30:39.060 Yeah. 30:39.060 --> 30:40.060 Yeah. 30:40.060 --> 30:47.820 So I'd get a waiver into this motion if there is one to approve it to allow two signs to 30:47.820 --> 30:48.820 be consistent with the signs. 30:48.820 --> 30:53.460 Is there a fire lane going to the back, to the north side of the road? 30:53.460 --> 30:54.460 Yeah. 30:54.460 --> 31:01.420 There's a service road coming between Stein-Hoffels and where the hotel, or the space as it goes 31:01.420 --> 31:02.420 back there. 31:02.420 --> 31:05.020 And then there's the road coming from the back also. 31:05.020 --> 31:08.180 Two ways to get there. 31:08.180 --> 31:09.180 Yeah. 31:09.180 --> 31:10.180 It really is way to the front. 31:10.180 --> 31:13.380 I thought it was back farther in the first rendition. 31:13.380 --> 31:19.700 We moved it up to kind of be flush with the rest of the buildings on the parking lot side. 31:19.700 --> 31:20.700 Are thinking on that. 31:20.700 --> 31:22.100 And you can tell me I'm wrong. 31:22.100 --> 31:23.100 I hear it a lot. 31:23.100 --> 31:24.460 Thinking on that was twofold. 31:24.460 --> 31:29.060 I thought it just looked better with everything's kind of in line on the parking lot side. 31:29.060 --> 31:31.980 And then it also gets it a little bit further from the road from a noise standpoint. 31:31.980 --> 31:35.860 Obviously we'll have to do some special noise window, reduction windows and whatnot on the 31:35.860 --> 31:36.860 freeway side. 31:36.860 --> 31:39.020 But the distance will help us to there. 31:39.020 --> 31:42.420 Plus it opens up the back if you ever put a package on the back and it gives us that 31:42.420 --> 31:43.420 extra space to use. 31:43.420 --> 31:44.420 Yeah. 31:44.420 --> 31:45.420 I actually like it. 31:45.420 --> 31:46.420 Good at it. 31:46.420 --> 31:47.420 So we're now on. 31:47.420 --> 31:48.420 Okay. 31:49.420 --> 31:50.980 Turn to the signage real quick. 31:50.980 --> 31:53.900 I just want to make sure I have my ducks in a row on my end. 31:53.900 --> 31:59.980 So the current sign code would allow for two wall signs up to 200 square feet do you want? 31:59.980 --> 32:00.980 He's asking for two wall signs. 32:00.980 --> 32:01.980 So he already gets it. 32:01.980 --> 32:04.460 Do you want to just increase the square footage just to. 32:04.460 --> 32:08.780 I want this square footage to be consistent with whatever is on the architectural drawing. 32:08.780 --> 32:09.780 Perfect. 32:09.780 --> 32:12.140 And that may be that may be that already. 32:12.140 --> 32:13.140 Yeah. 32:13.140 --> 32:15.380 I'm not positive. 32:15.380 --> 32:20.300 Otherwise we're going to just come back with a waiver because it's 80 feet over something. 32:20.300 --> 32:21.300 Yeah. 32:21.300 --> 32:22.300 80 square feet. 32:22.300 --> 32:23.300 Right. 32:23.300 --> 32:24.300 I don't know. 32:24.300 --> 32:25.300 So. 32:25.300 --> 32:26.300 Okay. 32:26.300 --> 32:27.300 Yeah. 32:27.300 --> 32:28.300 Is there a motion? 32:28.300 --> 32:29.300 I'll make a motion. 32:29.300 --> 32:30.300 Commissioner Carlson. 32:30.300 --> 32:31.300 Is there a second? 32:31.300 --> 32:32.300 I'll second. 32:32.300 --> 32:34.300 With the understanding of the modifications. 32:34.300 --> 32:35.300 Yeah. 32:35.300 --> 32:37.980 That was all the modifications that we're going to discuss and then the liquor license is 32:37.980 --> 32:38.980 probably. 32:38.980 --> 32:39.980 Yes. 32:39.980 --> 32:42.620 The liquor license is probably a big thing too. 32:42.620 --> 32:43.620 Yeah. 32:43.620 --> 32:46.860 I'll start getting liquor from total wine and bringing it. 32:46.860 --> 32:47.860 Yeah. 32:47.860 --> 32:49.700 I think it's going to be a great place for a hotel. 32:49.700 --> 32:50.700 Yeah. 32:50.700 --> 32:51.700 It'll be good. 32:51.700 --> 32:52.700 Yeah. 32:52.700 --> 32:53.700 And the hotel studies suggest it as much. 32:53.700 --> 32:54.700 Yeah. 32:54.700 --> 32:55.700 Yeah. 32:55.700 --> 32:56.700 It's going to be done in two weeks. 32:56.700 --> 32:59.500 My family's coming to town. 32:59.500 --> 33:01.420 You'll have to send them to Waukesha for now. 33:01.420 --> 33:02.420 Sorry. 33:02.420 --> 33:04.180 It takes about 12, 14 months. 33:04.180 --> 33:05.180 Yeah. 33:05.180 --> 33:06.180 Yeah. 33:06.180 --> 33:07.180 Yeah. 33:07.180 --> 33:11.420 Once we were the aggressive goal is to start construction yet this year and then hopefully 33:11.420 --> 33:14.340 they open by the end of 27. 33:14.340 --> 33:15.820 But that is very aggressive. 33:15.820 --> 33:19.180 The weather is going to have to cooperate and we're going to have to have a few things 33:19.180 --> 33:20.180 go our way. 33:20.180 --> 33:24.580 So normally it's 15-ish months by the time we start pushing dirt actually opening the 33:24.580 --> 33:25.580 doors. 33:25.580 --> 33:26.580 Question for you. 33:26.580 --> 33:28.820 What's the going rate for? 33:28.820 --> 33:30.460 You know, it's really market by market. 33:30.460 --> 33:35.460 The feasibility study that was done suggested that the average daily rate should average 33:35.460 --> 33:38.500 somewhere around that 150-ish mark. 33:39.500 --> 33:43.500 And again, that season, there may be nights in the busy times where we're getting $300 33:43.500 --> 33:49.180 a night, but there may be a Tuesday night in December, January, February, March that we'd 33:49.180 --> 33:52.140 be happy to rent your room for $109 or $119. 33:52.140 --> 33:56.460 So it's a commodity that expires every night and once you didn't sell it, you can't ever 33:56.460 --> 33:57.460 sell that night. 33:57.460 --> 33:58.460 Yeah. 33:58.460 --> 33:59.460 That's true. 33:59.460 --> 34:01.460 But I mean, we're upper middle class. 34:01.460 --> 34:02.460 Yeah. 34:02.460 --> 34:06.700 You know, I mean, it's very comparable to one of the big brands. 34:06.700 --> 34:08.300 We're based out of Nina, Wisconsin. 34:08.300 --> 34:13.980 We're 161 hotels open or under construction in 26 states. 34:13.980 --> 34:17.900 My partner and I own the brand or the franchise company, Cobblestone Hotels. 34:17.900 --> 34:20.740 We own a general contracting company that'll be the builder. 34:20.740 --> 34:26.860 We have a management company that we own that'll operate it out of the 161 hotels, about 34:26.860 --> 34:29.500 30 of them are corporate stores and this will be another corporate store, where we'll 34:29.500 --> 34:31.580 be the majority owner. 34:31.580 --> 34:36.540 So I live in the Piwaki area, spend a lot of time over this way. 34:36.620 --> 34:41.140 And we started talking about this with the guys from Cobalt on the land and then I was 34:41.140 --> 34:42.780 introduced to Mayor Nitsky. 34:42.780 --> 34:47.500 It was interesting because 30 years ago, my wife lived in Overlook Farms when I started 34:47.500 --> 34:51.700 dating her and I drove by here all the time living up in Hartford and I never had a dream 34:51.700 --> 34:57.180 up building a hotel and now it's really cool because you guys have done a great job with 34:57.180 --> 35:02.140 the city, but that development also just, it's kind of really turned that whole area 35:02.140 --> 35:03.140 around. 35:03.140 --> 35:05.860 What does your son do? 35:05.860 --> 35:08.620 There's a lot of my money, racist stock cars. 35:08.620 --> 35:12.740 So there's an Allen Quikki connection there too, which whenever Greenfield pops up Allen 35:12.740 --> 35:17.380 Quikki and that's another thing to, with this Main Street prototype, we'll be building 35:17.380 --> 35:20.940 all the guestroom artwork, our local historical pictures. 35:20.940 --> 35:24.660 So there will be at least some way somehow an Allen Quikki picture and then there's actually 35:24.660 --> 35:29.060 a mural in the lobby, like a wallpaper mural on one of the walls of a local historical 35:29.060 --> 35:30.060 picture. 35:30.060 --> 35:34.700 So I normally don't get involved in that but I'll be big in a favor or two from our operations 35:34.700 --> 35:37.220 people to have a pick or two on some pictures. 35:37.220 --> 35:43.660 So his son is a pretty accomplished, new or younger accomplished race car driver. 35:43.660 --> 35:50.380 What, what, is he driving trucks now or super late models and then a Midwest truck series 35:50.380 --> 35:56.100 he's dabbled a little bit and some of the bigger truck stuff, NASCAR wise, but as he 35:56.100 --> 35:58.860 said, his dad doesn't love them that much. 35:58.860 --> 36:03.700 All right, motion was made and seconded, right? 36:04.700 --> 36:05.700 All in favor? 36:05.700 --> 36:06.700 Aye. 36:06.700 --> 36:07.700 All opposed? 36:07.700 --> 36:08.700 Motion carries. 36:08.700 --> 36:09.700 Thank you. 36:09.700 --> 36:10.700 Thank you all very much. 36:10.700 --> 36:11.700 Appreciate it. 36:11.700 --> 36:16.700 I just want to give a couple updates on a couple occupancy permits. 36:16.700 --> 36:22.380 The next month's big things come in Elizabeth presidents is going to come back for conceptual 36:22.380 --> 36:23.660 review. 36:23.660 --> 36:29.180 So they're going to be looking just for some feedback on that again. 36:29.180 --> 36:32.140 There is a new user going to VC beauty school. 36:32.140 --> 36:35.820 So pretty prepared for a rezone and a CSM for that. 36:35.820 --> 36:39.220 And then I just wanted to give a quick update on 33 22 West Layton Avenue. 36:39.220 --> 36:45.540 That is where Mr. Chicken is located after months of a lot of work from staff and the 36:45.540 --> 36:51.020 city attorney and emails and all that kind of stuff that they are implementing their landscape 36:51.020 --> 36:54.220 plan now and they are actively taking out the asphalt. 36:54.220 --> 37:00.460 If you remember that property over on Lumis it has the paved the whole back part has a 37:00.460 --> 37:03.940 really steep part coming right off the alley and that's being ripped out. 37:03.940 --> 37:08.260 It's going to have a retaining wall and landscaping and it's really just going to look a lot nicer. 37:08.260 --> 37:11.780 So after eight years we're finally getting what we were promised. 37:11.780 --> 37:13.980 Oh, I think it's longer than that. 37:13.980 --> 37:14.980 It's been 27 years. 37:14.980 --> 37:16.980 Well, I've been here for eight years. 37:16.980 --> 37:17.980 Since pizza. 37:17.980 --> 37:18.980 Yeah. 37:18.980 --> 37:19.980 We did. 37:19.980 --> 37:26.940 I did look at the old historical and since the building was built in, what was it, 67 70 37:26.940 --> 37:29.300 something is all been paved. 37:29.300 --> 37:32.300 So we're very excited for it to not be entirely paved anymore. 37:32.300 --> 37:35.100 So that's all I got. 37:35.100 --> 37:40.500 Just one quick thing under community development report. 37:40.500 --> 37:43.820 So like when you're the mayor and stuff you want the city to be a better place and you 37:43.820 --> 37:46.780 want it to be active, activated. 37:46.780 --> 37:51.020 You want people to visit your city a lot, right? 37:51.020 --> 37:52.020 I think we all do. 37:52.020 --> 37:54.500 I mean that's kind of what we do what we do. 37:54.500 --> 37:58.780 So over the weekend I was at the turf event, right? 37:58.780 --> 38:01.780 And I left there and it was really active. 38:01.780 --> 38:05.540 And then I drove down Loomis to Layton and I took a right. 38:05.540 --> 38:10.420 And I drove by Conkel Park where the stuff was happening at the beer garden. 38:10.420 --> 38:17.620 And then I went past that and the miniature golf course was pretty active at that night. 38:17.620 --> 38:22.780 And then I went a little bit further and I got to the house of Harley event that was 38:22.780 --> 38:23.780 going on. 38:23.780 --> 38:25.460 It was pretty active. 38:25.460 --> 38:31.980 And then I went through the row construction of, you know, which is supposed to be done. 38:31.980 --> 38:34.420 It'll be done by October I think, right? 38:34.420 --> 38:39.580 And then I went, you know, past cops and it was it was hopping, right? 38:39.580 --> 38:44.180 And then I went, I kept going down late in Avenue and I looked at Cooper's Hawk and it 38:44.180 --> 38:51.140 was pretty darn crowded and like all of the stuff that we've been trying to do for a really 38:51.140 --> 38:53.140 long time. 38:53.140 --> 38:59.460 I can recall a time, you know, I could, I could take that trip 20 years ago and there 38:59.460 --> 39:06.260 would have been, you know, an old tool and die environmentally sensitive problem at the 39:06.260 --> 39:07.260 turf, right? 39:07.260 --> 39:13.780 And I could have taken a right and Conkel Park would have basically been a field with concrete 39:13.780 --> 39:17.660 blocks protruding from it with no activation whatsoever. 39:17.660 --> 39:22.580 And a volleyball court kind of off an asphalt thing, there might have been a softball game. 39:22.580 --> 39:28.340 The miniature golf course may have been going, but it didn't, even 20 years ago was, it was 39:28.340 --> 39:31.500 a little challenged, right? 39:31.500 --> 39:37.060 House of Harley, 20 years ago was part was a hardware store. 39:37.060 --> 39:41.460 If you'll remember that and a lampshade place, I think. 39:41.460 --> 39:43.460 Do you remember all that? 39:43.460 --> 39:44.460 That was an 80. 39:44.460 --> 39:45.460 It was a 20. 39:45.460 --> 39:46.460 Well, 25. 39:46.460 --> 39:47.460 30. 39:47.460 --> 39:48.460 Right? 39:49.220 --> 39:53.700 But it doesn't look like it, 20 years ago, it didn't look like it looks now. 39:53.700 --> 39:57.780 I think the new house has definitely been in there. 39:57.780 --> 40:02.460 And you know, and cops probably look, I think it didn't have the corner was there with 40:02.460 --> 40:08.300 the gas station, which is why, you know, they can't build on it for a while. 40:08.300 --> 40:15.180 So that's kind of why it is what it is right now, you know, as a meditation kind of area. 40:15.180 --> 40:21.780 And 84 South was the old sign-offles on the corner and those homes, right? 40:21.780 --> 40:24.380 The landscape in 176th Street wasn't there either. 40:24.380 --> 40:28.660 No, wasn't there, and it needs to be kind of spruced up a little bit. 40:28.660 --> 40:29.660 Oh, yeah. 40:29.660 --> 40:31.660 Is there anything that's coming here? 40:31.660 --> 40:41.500 Coping with an 84th Street, right across the street from 84 South. 40:41.500 --> 40:44.260 Now there's a sign there that says development opportunity. 40:44.260 --> 40:46.260 So I'm not quite sure what that's about. 40:46.260 --> 40:52.180 I don't know if you've been immediately north of Penny Mustard, I'm actually very aware 40:52.180 --> 40:53.180 of it. 40:53.180 --> 40:54.180 Two houses. 40:54.180 --> 40:55.180 They do. 40:55.180 --> 40:56.180 I do. 40:56.180 --> 40:57.180 Yeah. 40:57.180 --> 41:01.540 So the two houses immediately north of Penny Mustard are owned by Penny Mustard. 41:01.540 --> 41:08.140 They'll be coming to plan commission next month for CSM and rezone. 41:09.140 --> 41:10.140 Okay. 41:10.140 --> 41:16.020 And as I'm sitting here, although this is in Greenfield, the Sendex on Hylun Hunter 41:16.020 --> 41:17.020 and Edgerton. 41:17.020 --> 41:18.020 Yep. 41:18.020 --> 41:19.020 Quick trip, apparently. 41:19.020 --> 41:20.020 Yeah. 41:20.020 --> 41:21.020 Bought them. 41:21.020 --> 41:22.020 Bought it. 41:22.020 --> 41:25.540 I didn't ever, didn't know that. 41:25.540 --> 41:26.540 That's good. 41:26.540 --> 41:31.620 I mean, while we still don't have a quick trip and anybody wants one, the mere fact that 41:31.620 --> 41:35.020 one's four blocks from my house is pretty good. 41:35.020 --> 41:39.900 But I can get my donuts without having to go all the way down to Minaj, you know? 41:39.900 --> 41:41.900 I love those donuts. 41:41.900 --> 41:43.900 They're really good. 41:43.900 --> 41:44.900 Chickens good. 41:44.900 --> 41:46.900 The Mountain Dew flavored donuts weren't good. 41:46.900 --> 41:54.140 I got to tell you, I was excited that they were going to be good, but they weren't good. 41:54.140 --> 42:03.420 But the cherry ones and the, yeah, you just see a cannon. 42:03.420 --> 42:05.500 One quick trip is kind of close to Bucky's. 42:05.500 --> 42:09.260 There's a quick trip on Ryan out there, right? 42:09.260 --> 42:10.260 There's one on Ross. 42:10.260 --> 42:11.260 Is it not Ross? 42:11.260 --> 42:12.260 What is it? 42:12.260 --> 42:13.260 Drexel. 42:13.260 --> 42:14.260 Drexel. 42:14.260 --> 42:15.260 Yeah. 42:15.260 --> 42:20.060 The one that's kind of weird, it's like part of the industrial park over there. 42:20.060 --> 42:21.060 Right over there. 42:21.060 --> 42:22.060 Yeah. 42:22.060 --> 42:23.060 Yeah. 42:23.060 --> 42:24.560 They just redid the whole thing. 42:24.560 --> 42:29.700 I'm not sure I'm going to be driving no creek to go to Bucky's just to, yeah. 42:30.700 --> 42:38.940 Last year, we were driving through, like, my home from, uh, Dali Park's place. 42:38.940 --> 42:39.940 You were at Dali Park's place? 42:39.940 --> 42:40.940 Dali World? 42:40.940 --> 42:41.940 You were there? 42:41.940 --> 42:44.940 We stepped up to the Bucky's and, uh, we built it, Dali. 42:44.940 --> 42:50.380 Just to get into the parking lot, we had to wait 10 minutes for it to come in. 42:50.380 --> 42:51.380 Oh, my goodness. 42:51.380 --> 42:53.380 And there's eight percent acre in the park. 42:53.380 --> 42:56.380 We have over 120 pounds. 42:56.380 --> 42:57.380 Yeah. 42:57.380 --> 42:58.380 I just think. 42:59.380 --> 43:02.500 And you go inside. 43:02.500 --> 43:07.740 And it's all the wall people. 43:07.740 --> 43:09.560 It's a gas station. 43:09.560 --> 43:10.560 Yeah. 43:10.560 --> 43:12.660 Well, with a Walmart at the edge. 43:12.660 --> 43:13.660 Yeah. 43:13.660 --> 43:14.660 So, yeah. 43:14.660 --> 43:16.300 Pretty much like a, yeah. 43:16.300 --> 43:17.900 I don't know. 43:17.900 --> 43:19.300 I don't know. 43:19.300 --> 43:22.580 I wonder if there's down on a serious kid. 43:22.580 --> 43:24.820 I don't know. 43:24.820 --> 43:26.220 I wonder if there's down on a serious kid. 43:26.220 --> 43:33.580 So, this is, I just, community, and I know we want to get out of here, but under community 43:33.580 --> 43:38.420 development report, I'm stretching it here a little bit. 43:38.420 --> 43:43.180 But back when 84th South was started, that was the same time that Akia was looking around, 43:43.180 --> 43:44.180 right? 43:44.180 --> 43:47.500 And it's like, why don't you put in Akia there, right, on the 40 acres? 43:47.500 --> 43:52.300 So, Akia would take the entire 40 acres. 43:52.300 --> 43:53.900 I don't know what Akia's are worth. 43:53.900 --> 44:02.900 So, do you want to, in Akia, 40 acres of your most valuable property? 44:02.900 --> 44:11.060 Or do you want sort of a really true mixed use development that's worth 200 million? 44:11.060 --> 44:19.420 So that's always the challenge with some of that stuff across the street, over at spring 44:19.420 --> 44:20.420 wall. 44:20.420 --> 44:21.820 And it sounds like that's still moving along. 44:21.820 --> 44:25.820 There was an article in the paper about Mandel last week, if you saw that, it should have 44:25.820 --> 44:27.900 no material impact on anything that's happened. 44:27.900 --> 44:28.900 Yeah, they sold off, right? 44:28.900 --> 44:29.900 And they sold off? 44:29.900 --> 44:31.820 I think they sold off parts of it. 44:31.820 --> 44:38.300 So, that stuff's all complicated, it's all taxes, and it's all this and that, but, so 44:38.300 --> 44:42.380 you could, you know, do you want to Woodmans or, and Woodmans isn't going there, although 44:42.380 --> 44:44.660 they looked at the site once. 44:44.660 --> 44:49.580 Do you want to Woodmans that's worth 18 million, or do you want housing that brings more people 44:49.580 --> 44:50.580 to your community? 44:50.580 --> 44:55.540 It's $56 million, so you kind of want, you know, and it is naturally mixed use, there's 44:55.540 --> 44:59.900 a pharmacy there, there's a grocery store there, right? 44:59.900 --> 45:00.900 Bike trail? 45:00.900 --> 45:03.580 There is a bike trail there, there's a restaurant there, that's going to- 45:03.580 --> 45:07.380 The access to Willard's fourth home in the fridge, or is it just a free spot? 45:07.380 --> 45:10.900 So you're constantly, oh, why don't you put a target there, right? 45:10.900 --> 45:15.980 Well, you, we can put a target there, but it's worth, right? 45:15.980 --> 45:19.140 And you could have other things, and, you know, maybe some of those communities like 45:19.140 --> 45:23.300 Oak Creek and Franklin that have a lot of land, you know, they can, once you put a 45:23.300 --> 45:27.140 target there, you know, we'll come visit, right? 45:27.140 --> 45:28.140 So just- 45:28.140 --> 45:30.060 And then there's such values, always a problem, right? 45:30.060 --> 45:31.060 They always- 45:31.060 --> 45:32.060 Yeah. 45:32.060 --> 45:36.260 Challenge to assess value, which also is a problem, right? 45:36.260 --> 45:37.260 With those big box stores or something. 45:37.260 --> 45:43.460 Yeah, so we, I don't know, this is under community development managers report. 45:43.460 --> 45:47.940 We have been involved in litigation with Walmart for a number of years. 45:47.940 --> 45:48.940 Yep. 45:48.940 --> 45:54.980 We received a decision last week that was advantageous to us at the trial court. 45:54.980 --> 45:59.860 I suspect that they're going to appeal, because it wouldn't be a good thing, necessarily, 45:59.860 --> 46:00.860 for them. 46:00.860 --> 46:03.860 But that's the other struggle is that these- 46:03.860 --> 46:14.060 That's why I'm trying to get the grass cut dude, seriously. 46:14.060 --> 46:17.820 It's like they have a lot of the property. 46:17.820 --> 46:26.500 We put a lot of resources into them on a daily basis, and then they turn around and 46:26.500 --> 46:34.540 come back and say, you know, our property is worth less than way less, way, way less than 46:34.540 --> 46:41.620 what we paid for it, not even the bill, just to buy it into environment, right? 46:41.620 --> 46:42.620 Yeah. 46:42.620 --> 46:47.180 I'm just saying, right? 46:47.180 --> 46:49.180 That's a struggle, right? 46:49.180 --> 46:55.380 A more diverse tax base that isn't reliant on one big thing is usually better. 46:55.380 --> 46:57.380 So, anyways. 46:57.380 --> 47:03.260 Hey, Gina, do you have an estimated time for that building that's on 51st and late in there 47:03.260 --> 47:04.260 across from Conkel? 47:04.260 --> 47:05.260 I do not. 47:05.260 --> 47:08.740 I mean, it's all in the inspector's hands at this point in the- 47:08.740 --> 47:09.740 Is it? 47:09.740 --> 47:12.700 Is this moving slower than I would expected? 47:13.700 --> 47:20.620 Having gone through the construction, I have a shelter recently at the turf, you know, 47:20.620 --> 47:26.460 which was supposed to be complete by the middle of July, but the block was this and they couldn't 47:26.460 --> 47:27.460 get that. 47:27.460 --> 47:28.460 Yeah. 47:28.460 --> 47:39.700 Contractors are really- They're stretched thin, so even his hotel, you know, 12 months, 47:39.700 --> 47:43.300 15 months, 18 months to build this thing, right? 47:43.300 --> 47:44.300 Wow. 47:44.300 --> 47:46.300 Why can't you build it quicker, right? 47:46.300 --> 47:48.100 Because things just take time. 47:48.100 --> 47:52.980 I think the weather is- The lead time is on, like, electrical switches and a whole bunch 47:52.980 --> 47:55.820 of other stuff are incredible. 47:55.820 --> 47:56.820 Crazy. 47:56.820 --> 48:02.780 The buildings that I talked about on Loomis that are going to be going up, the precast, 48:02.780 --> 48:09.060 as I understand it, the precast concrete walls, right, have been pre-ordered for months. 48:10.060 --> 48:13.460 Just to get them in queue, to get there. 48:13.460 --> 48:17.780 So it's not like you can just go to Menard, just like, hey, throw some concrete panels 48:17.780 --> 48:21.300 on the back and let's go build something. 48:21.300 --> 48:26.380 It's- The tariffs, clearly, are going to have some challenges, I think, with Canada, with 48:26.380 --> 48:29.500 other prices, maybe, right? 48:29.500 --> 48:34.900 I mean, that's- That stuff is- I mean, that has real impact. 48:34.900 --> 48:36.700 It's not, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. 48:36.700 --> 48:38.500 Especially on long leads. 48:38.500 --> 48:44.100 So, anyways, is there a motion to adjourn? 48:44.100 --> 48:45.500 I'll make a motion to adjourn. 48:45.500 --> 48:48.640 Sorry, I can- By Commissioner Weiss, I can make Commissioner Carlson, I don't favor. 48:48.640 --> 48:49.640 Aye. 48:49.640 --> 48:50.640 Aye. 48:50.640 --> 48:51.640 Aye. 48:51.640 --> 48:52.640 Aye. 48:52.640 --> 48:53.640 Aye. 48:53.640 --> 48:54.640 Aye. 48:54.640 --> 48:55.640 Aye. 48:55.640 --> 48:56.640 Aye. 48:56.640 --> 48:57.640 Aye. 48:57.640 --> 48:58.640 Aye. 48:58.640 --> 48:59.640 Aye. 48:59.640 --> 49:00.640 Aye. 49:00.640 --> 49:01.640 Aye. 49:01.640 --> 49:02.640 Aye. 49:02.640 --> 49:03.640 Aye. 49:03.640 --> 49:04.640 Aye.