1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Okay. Here we go. Got a full house tonight. How was your labor day? Outstanding. Outstanding. 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Do you want to treat? It was very busy in Greenfield though. It was incredibly busy. A lot of fun that we get. 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:29,000 This is the plan commission meeting to be held Tuesday September 8th, 2026 at 6pm. The meeting is called to order. Would you please call the roll? 4 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Present. 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Alderperson-Kastner. 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Present. 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Brian Weiss. 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Present. 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Don Carlson. 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Present. 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Bob Krenz. 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Present. 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Zach Marshall. 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Present. 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Mike Brazwell. 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Here. 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Daniel Vojak. 18 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Present. 19 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Randy Lee. 20 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Randy and Danielle are alternates today. They can engage in discussion but can't vote. We have a full house down on the other hand. How you doing, Zach? You doing okay? 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Happy birthday. 22 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,000 Happy birthday. 23 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Thank you. 24 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,000 I appreciate it. 25 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 No cupcakes. 26 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,000 You buy drinks after. 27 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Yes, drinks on me after. 28 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Really? 29 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Can't do that. 30 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Yeah. 31 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 The water refrigerator. 32 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 All right. 33 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Item two is the approval of the minutes from the August 11th, 2026 meeting. Is there a motion to approve? 34 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,000 I'll make a motion to approve. 35 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Hi, Commissioner Brazwell. Is there a second? 36 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000 I'll second. 37 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Thank you. 38 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Commissioner Weiss. All in favor? 39 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Aye. 40 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,000 And I was working as a opposed. 41 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Okay. 42 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Geez. 43 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,000 I like the excuse. 44 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,000 I'm not sure that's a good enough reason. 45 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Did we say all in favor yet? 46 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 All in favor? 47 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Aye. 48 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Out of close. Motion carries. Item three, discussion regarding last Common Council meeting? 49 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Just a couple of updates. Burger and Chorema Lab received approval for their special use permit. We also received approvals for the two CSMs that appeared for you. The first one was the St. Francis in 31st. 50 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,960 that was the right-of-way vacation, 51 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,760 as well as the three-parcel CSM over on 35th Street. 52 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,000 And then the landscaping plan for 7800 West Layton 53 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,900 was also approved. 54 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:04,900 All right, thank you. 55 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:07,520 Item four is the signage plan appeal for conversion 56 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,240 and height extension of existing double-sided billboard. 57 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,280 So I'm located 10521 West Layton, submitted by Matthew 58 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,560 Gilson doing business as Lamar Central Outdoor LLC, 59 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,480 represented by Frank Voss. 60 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,320 Thank you. 61 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,840 So the existing sign is shown on the right there. 62 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,680 It's currently a static sign. 63 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,760 It's also currently 52 feet. 64 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,280 What we're looking at here is a conversion of that double-sided 65 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,920 billboard to be digital. 66 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,960 The Electronic Message Center, EMC, a portion of that 67 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,080 must comply with section 1919 of the sign code that regulates 68 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,520 brightness, how often it can change, motion, 69 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,680 all of those items. 70 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,280 In addition to the billboard being digitized, 71 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,840 it's also going to be raised. 72 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,440 The photos on the right show the current. 73 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,040 And this is what is being proposed. 74 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,400 It's going to be raised by 10 feet. 75 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,160 To achieve this, a crane will be used 76 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,200 to remove the existing static signs. 77 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,440 And then the post will be modified 78 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,920 to increase the height by 10 feet. 79 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:07,480 And then the new signage will be installed. 80 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,160 This does not go to Common Council. 81 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,360 Plan Commission has the sole decision-making authority 82 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,280 regarding signage. 83 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,720 Staff recommends approval of the signage plan. 84 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,240 You know, the ironic thing about this sign location 85 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,480 is when Peterbilt was there and they decided 86 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,720 to build the office complex, they promised 87 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,320 that that sign would be removed from that location 88 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,480 when they built the office building. 89 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,720 And apparently our building inspector at the time 90 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,920 didn't think that was an important part of Plan 91 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,400 Commission's wishes. 92 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,440 Albeit, I don't want an old static sign there anymore. 93 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,720 I'd rather have a new funky digital one. 94 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,840 But unfortunately, I think that may be seen from a neighborhood 95 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,480 that might be more than 600 feet away, but it will be seen. 96 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Yeah. 97 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:08,680 So it's kind of strange is the lower picture right there. 98 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:09,680 I don't know if you can see. 99 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,080 I don't know if there's no way to do the thing like that, right? 100 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,320 That's where I live. 101 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,480 We're going to cross from that red dot, literally. 102 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,400 Yeah, I'm right there. 103 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,600 I don't have an objection. 104 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,840 I mean, whether it's the only thing 105 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:30,960 that I would be concerned of with all of these billboards 106 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,360 is the LED technology has improved dramatically 107 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,960 to be certain that the way that the I use a guy from Walmart, 108 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,680 you kind of look like a guy from Walmart. 109 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:42,680 Yeah. 110 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,280 It's the shade too nice. 111 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,200 Subliminally, you know, that really worked well. 112 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,520 I mean, the concern is that there was another billboard 113 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,840 proposal, I think, on 102nd in Oklahoma, somewhere 114 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:58,360 over there, or it's coming up. 115 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,280 It's coming up. 116 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:04,040 And there was one on 894 immediately east 117 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,720 of where your old Lamar sign would 118 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,960 was in the stadium interchange over there. 119 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,400 I'm not sure if you're familiar with that, 120 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,880 where the turf sign is now. 121 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,440 The technology for the LEDs to stay focused on the lines 122 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,800 of sight on the road, as opposed to the, I don't know 123 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:27,520 what it is, the bleeding over is really important. 124 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,720 Literally from the house that I reside in, 125 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,840 I can see seven or eight billboards along the freeway. 126 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:36,400 And the ones that are the newer ones 127 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,880 tend to be less obnoxious and obtrusive compared 128 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,120 to the older ones, the static ones, generally. 129 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,920 So I hope you, you know, I mean, I think as a condition of this 130 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,680 is that the staff is comfortable that that technology that I 131 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,800 think we're more well aware of and cognizant of 132 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,640 and have a little bit better expertise 133 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,960 that that technology is used on this billboard 134 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,720 than otherwise I'd have no objection. 135 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,320 It can be any brighter than the one that's by the dump. 136 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,080 You know, on the one that's on. 137 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,280 Thanks, Caroline. 138 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:13,360 No, for like 51st. 139 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,480 Like 51st in, yeah, in 94 there. 140 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:17,800 That one's pretty bright. 141 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,480 That one is bright, that's older technology, though, too. 142 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,960 If you look at the one immediately east of the turf, 143 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,760 it is more focused towards the roadway. 144 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,920 Yeah, I can tell you historically, 145 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,040 you are usually a little bit different 146 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,000 than our drivers are in the drive on the city. 147 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,880 But I do know the new signs won't go away again. 148 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,680 Have 252 fitting walls of each and each. 149 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,200 Yeah, I mean, that's what. 150 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,640 What would have been lower than this one? 151 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,840 Yeah, the older ones didn't have near that technology. 152 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:54,720 Sure, but I mean, it's probably depends on the color, too, right? 153 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,320 You mean, you put some bright colors, 154 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,160 you can get bright light. 155 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,840 Exactly. 156 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:04,040 Okay, is there, I'll make a motion to approve, 157 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,040 as presented with the Mayor's comments? 158 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,040 Second. 159 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,680 Okay, Commissioner Weiss, 160 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,680 seconded by Commissioner Carlson, all in favor? 161 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,680 Aye. 162 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Opposed, motion carries. 163 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,760 N and 5A and 5B is especially used for the American National Red Cross, 164 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,240 a proposed blood donation centered relocated 50, 165 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,680 05 South 76th Street. 166 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,400 This also includes a site review. 167 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,720 Does anybody have any objection to the American Red Cross 168 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,520 coming to our city? 169 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:34,960 This location. 170 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,920 If you are, is the Red Cross here this evening? 171 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:38,920 Yes. 172 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,800 Well, he's been sitting here for a long time, 173 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,720 so he should talk about it for a while. 174 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:44,720 No. 175 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,440 I'd make a motion to approve the item as presented. 176 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:48,440 I'll say. 177 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,000 Those are good hours. 178 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 It's good hours. 179 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,680 It's a vitally important thing, I think, to our community 180 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,600 and the community as a whole everywhere. 181 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,080 Is it just blood or is it platelets, too? 182 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,840 Is it just blood donation? 183 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,320 OK. 184 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,320 Yeah. 185 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,320 There's a real need for that. 186 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,320 Not the platelets? 187 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,320 Yes. 188 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,320 Oh, platelets, also. 189 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,360 And you pay for that, too? 190 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,560 And do they pay out for that, too? 191 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,560 Ooh, it's donation. 192 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,560 No, it's all donation. 193 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:17,560 No, it's all donation. 194 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:18,560 Yeah. 195 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Oh, it's for diversity. 196 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Yeah. 197 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,560 For it that way. 198 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,560 Vericity pays, don't they? 199 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,560 No. 200 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,560 Vericity is. 201 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,560 No. 202 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,560 I just don't. 203 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:27,560 I'm not even honest. 204 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:28,560 You can get a free t-shirt. 205 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,560 Or a hat or something. 206 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,560 Or a hat or something. 207 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,560 I made the motion. 208 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:32,560 Is there a second? 209 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:33,560 No. 210 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:34,560 A second. 211 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:35,560 Oh, Brian is your wife. 212 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:36,560 All in favor? 213 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:37,560 Aye. 214 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:38,560 Post-motion carries. 215 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:39,560 I apologize. 216 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:40,560 I didn't quite hear. 217 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:41,560 Who made the second? 218 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:42,560 Me. 219 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:43,560 Brian. 220 00:08:43,560 --> 00:08:44,560 OK. 221 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:45,560 So, be here first. 222 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:46,560 Me. 223 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:47,560 Brian. 224 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:48,560 Yeah. 225 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:49,560 Incorporating comments that you had. 226 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:54,560 Item 6A and 6B is a certified survey map combining three commercial lots. 227 00:08:54,560 --> 00:09:00,520 Look at it, 59, 49, 59, 80, and 80, 59, 81, South 27th Street. 228 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:06,440 By Department of Work doing Businesses Greenfield Veterinary Clinic, represented by Ahmad Nadi. 229 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,840 This is also a site landscaping review. 230 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Yeah. 231 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,920 So, I do want to mention, because it kind of looks like it's just two lots. 232 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,800 There is a third lot back here. 233 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:17,960 So that is being incorporated. 234 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,400 So in case you were wondering where the third lot is, it's this portion back here that will 235 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,800 be incorporated as well. 236 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,640 So it's a three-light lot combo. 237 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Are they here tonight? 238 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:28,640 Yes. 239 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,280 Back right. 240 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:36,000 So, in general, the CSM is required because the owner of the vet clinic intentionally 241 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:41,360 purchased that property to the north because they want to expand their parking lot. 242 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,440 After driving in the parking lot, it's very, very tight. 243 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,280 So this is very needed and will definitely help enhance their business. 244 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,320 I make a motion to approve the item as presented. 245 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,680 It's getting rid of the ISOR next door that's improving that business, which is would you 246 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:58,280 someone invested a whole bunch of money into recently? 247 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,280 So that's a beautiful thing. 248 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,280 Did someone second it? 249 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:01,280 I'll second it. 250 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,160 Commissioner Braswell seconds. 251 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:08,160 This is a business in Greenfield that has flourished for many, many years and keeps getting 252 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,160 better and better. 253 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,160 Absolutely. 254 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,160 I'm kind of proud of it. 255 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,160 Motion. 256 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,160 I am too. 257 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,160 Motion made and seconded. 258 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,160 All in favor? 259 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,160 Aye. 260 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,160 Thank you. 261 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Opposed? 262 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,160 Motion carries. 263 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,160 Can each other's a Cubs game tonight? 264 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,160 Against the burger. 265 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,160 No, sir. 266 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Next one is seven temporary use permit for heat Haven, Santa Park are proposed season 267 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,200 all out to our community, Santa Park be located 4930 West Loomis, Loomis submitted 268 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,960 by Jesse Hive. 269 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,040 That picture isn't the actual one, is it? 270 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,800 Did they do it in this permission? 271 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:49,560 So this temporary use was previously in Wauwatosa at Hart Park. 272 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:51,560 So they were located there. 273 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:53,720 They were very successful. 274 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,280 We did reach out to Wauwatosa to see how did it go. 275 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,920 They said no issues. 276 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,240 They said it basically operated at any one of their other parks and rock add-on activities 277 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,840 in terms of how well we're in. 278 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,840 Are they here tonight? 279 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,120 They are going to have three barrel saunas. 280 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,520 Those are located here. 281 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,720 They're also going to have changing rooms with locking doors. 282 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,200 They'll also have lockers. 283 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:24,040 They have a cold shower that is located in the semi-heated greenhouse there. 284 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,360 The cold shower is serviced by a hose and then the water is dumped over the individual. 285 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,880 There's no soap or anything. 286 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,480 So from a regulatory standpoint, it is not considered gray water. 287 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,120 So it basically gets regulated like a splash pad would. 288 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,400 I mentioned that just in terms of in case you care about sanitary and sewer lines and 289 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,560 all that kind of stuff. 290 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:44,920 But that is how it is run. 291 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:50,120 The hours of operation, they are only open when bloom coffee garden is also open. 292 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,960 So if bloom isn't open, they will not be open. 293 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,440 So they're only open together. 294 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,760 This is their proposed hours. 295 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,200 They have two full-time employees. 296 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,800 Bloom was reviewed back in April of 2024. 297 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,200 There's no new issues. 298 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,200 Staff recommended. 299 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,720 Such nice people there, don't they? 300 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:06,720 No. 301 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,720 All right. 302 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,960 Is the liquor license expanding to this area? 303 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,400 I am not aware that the liquor license is expanding. 304 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:22,920 In order to do that, they would need to apply to the clerk's office and amend the premises 305 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:24,920 description. 306 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:25,920 I don't believe they want to. 307 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:26,920 Is there a liquor license? 308 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,920 Do you intend on serving alcohol out of these things or allowing them to drink alcohol? 309 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,920 I am standing in for just a few, but I can have some. 310 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:37,920 Okay. 311 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:38,920 If they do, you have to follow rules. 312 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,640 So as it sits tonight, you don't have a liquor license because there have to be an expansion 313 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,520 of the premises, the extension of the premises. 314 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,160 I wouldn't be against it, but it just needs to be done right. 315 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,600 Is there a motion to approve this? 316 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,280 I just have a quick question. 317 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,840 People who use the cold shower, they're going to be told not to bring their own soap. 318 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:04,160 The people who use the son is, will they be told not to bring their own soap for that 319 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,160 cold shower? 320 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,720 It's not necessarily a shower or just a cold rinse. 321 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,720 Okay. 322 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,720 Okay. 323 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:12,720 Very good. 324 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:13,720 Okay. 325 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:21,360 What are the locker rooms going to just be containers or curtains or what? 326 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:38,320 I did talk to Jesse about it about the locker rooms and they will be the changing rooms. 327 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,000 The changing rooms will have doors with locks on them, so not curtains. 328 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,080 Just not a curtain. 329 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,080 Not curtains. 330 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,080 Doors with locks. 331 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,960 Is there a motion to approve? 332 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,960 Was there a motion to approve? 333 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,160 I'll make a motion to approve. 334 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Castner made the motion. 335 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,160 Is there a second by Carlson? 336 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,160 All in favor? 337 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,160 Aye. 338 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,160 Aye. 339 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,160 Opposed? 340 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,160 Motion carries. 341 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,160 Welcome. 342 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,160 Welcome. 343 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,160 Yeah? 344 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,160 More fun. 345 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:08,600 Item made is architectural plan review for Starlight Wellness Clinic and Spa located at 6825 West 346 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,080 Lake in Avenue. 347 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,080 Real small, real easy. 348 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,920 They want to change the front entrance of their building. 349 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:14,920 Right now it's windows. 350 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:15,920 They want to put a door there. 351 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,520 I'd make a motion to approve the item as presented. 352 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,520 I'll second. 353 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,080 Seconded by Commissioner. 354 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,480 I'm assuming there's going to be like a walkway or something there. 355 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:26,480 Yes it'll. 356 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,480 It's just blocked by a. 357 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,160 It has a landing and then a ramp. 358 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Okay. 359 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,920 So that way it's ADA compliant both in the front and they're retaining their other entrance, 360 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,280 which is ADA compliant as well. 361 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:38,280 So there'll be two. 362 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,280 Those guys here tonight. 363 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,280 Is that you? 364 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,280 Your Starlight? 365 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Okay. 366 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,280 All right. 367 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,280 Motion was made and seconded. 368 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,280 All in favor? 369 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,280 Aye. 370 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,280 Opposed? 371 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,280 Motion carries. 372 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Item 9A, 9B, Special East Front for Gold Coast Subs Food Truck, a proposed food truck 373 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,840 home base located at 4263 West Lake and this is behind the business. 374 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:04,800 This is also a site review for Gold Coast, which is leased from the food carol folks. 375 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,840 So what we're looking at here, Gold Coast Subs is an existing limited service restaurant 376 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,320 and they're just looking to add the food truck home base to this property for one food truck. 377 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,000 The properties on C2, so it's special use. 378 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,520 Cars of operation are 7 to 10. 379 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,360 Daily parking requirements, 55 are required, 40 are provided, common council can waive 380 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,160 that shortage. 381 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,880 Site review, everything about the site seemed fine. 382 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,560 The engineering staff here are working with the property owner regarding some concerns 383 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:38,360 regarding gravel washout into a catch basin, but that is something that engineering is 384 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,880 working with the property owner to address. 385 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,800 The public hearing may be scheduled on October 20th. 386 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,940 I just want to, before we vote on this, I want to 387 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:54,260 point out that this gentleman here purchased the building when he was held for you, 19. 388 00:15:54,260 --> 00:15:57,180 He's a budding entrepreneur. 389 00:15:57,180 --> 00:16:03,620 This weekend, last weekend, on Saturday we had a pretty big event over at the turf. 390 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:06,460 I think there are probably three or four hundred people or five hundred. 391 00:16:06,460 --> 00:16:08,940 There's a lot throughout the day. 392 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:10,260 He had his food truck there. 393 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:14,900 I think he did a pretty robust business and it was an honor having you there over the 394 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:15,900 weekend. 395 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:24,020 You're a wonderful part of our community and thank you very much. 396 00:16:24,020 --> 00:16:30,620 I wish every 18, 19, 21 had the ambition that you do. 397 00:16:30,620 --> 00:16:32,780 I'll make a motion to approve. 398 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:35,180 Commissioner Carlson, is there a second? 399 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:36,180 Marshall. 400 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:38,180 He's his son's escape order. 401 00:16:38,180 --> 00:16:39,180 I will second. 402 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:40,180 Sorry. 403 00:16:40,180 --> 00:16:47,380 Under discussion, I go there quite often and I enjoy their say cheese sandwich a lot. 404 00:16:47,380 --> 00:16:53,660 I just learned something on Sunday after I drove five miles across the city on my bicycle. 405 00:16:53,660 --> 00:16:54,660 What's that? 406 00:16:54,660 --> 00:16:55,660 I don't. 407 00:16:55,660 --> 00:16:56,660 Yeah. 408 00:16:56,660 --> 00:16:57,660 Yeah. 409 00:16:57,660 --> 00:16:58,660 He was at the... 410 00:16:58,660 --> 00:16:59,660 Good though. 411 00:16:59,660 --> 00:17:00,660 That's good. 412 00:17:00,660 --> 00:17:02,900 I'll have to go back. 413 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:06,180 Motion was made and seconded. 414 00:17:06,180 --> 00:17:09,700 Just under discussion, the event went really, really well. 415 00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:15,700 It was sort of, I don't know if it was, it wasn't impromptu, but it wasn't a city sponsored 416 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:16,700 event. 417 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:20,100 A local skateboarder kind of started it. 418 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:21,900 Stage wasn't open like early on. 419 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:27,580 The stage was open and music was playing from it, not bands though. 420 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:32,940 We didn't get power to the turf until about one or two o'clock Friday afternoon or while. 421 00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:37,900 I want to point out that we would have had water. 422 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:42,140 And although the Milwaukee Water Works Inspector was there throughout the entire construction 423 00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:48,740 process of the meter pit and said everything was great. 424 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:54,820 And despite the efforts to get the water there and to get a meter installed so that 425 00:17:54,820 --> 00:18:02,780 we would have water at the turf, because there was water in the pit and there wasn't 426 00:18:02,780 --> 00:18:09,460 a ladder, even though the pit was designed consistent with Milwaukee Water Works and 427 00:18:09,460 --> 00:18:14,500 was approved by Milwaukee Water Works, even though there was a sump pump there that could 428 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:16,420 have taken the water out. 429 00:18:16,420 --> 00:18:20,260 And even though there were other contractors on site that could have dropped a ladder into 430 00:18:20,260 --> 00:18:26,780 the pit to install the meter, the meter installer decided that he wasn't going to do it. 431 00:18:26,780 --> 00:18:29,100 So I want to thank... 432 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:35,380 So we go through this, this is a learning exercise for especially the new ones. 433 00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:39,580 We spend a tremendous amount of time, staff spends a tremendous amount of time before 434 00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:46,580 we get to this point to make sure that everything's in order and everything is, you know, sometimes 435 00:18:46,580 --> 00:18:51,420 things change and sometimes we don't catch everything. 436 00:18:51,420 --> 00:18:55,980 But once it gets approved here and it gets approved by the council, there's another step 437 00:18:55,980 --> 00:19:01,140 beyond that, which is our inspectors, which is, you know, engineering stuff, and then 438 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:04,900 yeah, there's all sorts of things that could happen. 439 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:09,860 The thing that's disappointing to me and when other communities, maybe larger ones that 440 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:17,620 are adjacent to us without naming names, do things like they did, potentially, by analogy 441 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:25,260 with the water meter, you can ruin everything that you've done up until that point. 442 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:32,340 As far as customer service and being, you know, getting folks to invest in your community. 443 00:19:32,340 --> 00:19:36,900 So it was extremely disappointing that we didn't have what, we had the bathrooms were 444 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:40,540 done, the contractors, we were done. 445 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:45,380 And somebody didn't want to wait around to go down a ladder that we could have, he should 446 00:19:45,380 --> 00:19:49,180 have a ladder in his truck, I would think. 447 00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:52,500 And that is just incredibly disappointing to me. 448 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:58,780 So that being said, he was a rock star, he was there the entire day, I think he had 449 00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:03,620 a pretty good turnout, was really fun after the event. 450 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:08,940 Everything was cleaned up, there were volunteers working with the folks, they had their own 451 00:20:08,940 --> 00:20:14,580 little orange things on, they were picking up, I went Sunday morning and looked around 452 00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:17,140 bright and early, the place looked spotless. 453 00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:18,620 Does the meter in? 454 00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:21,940 The meter is still not in. 455 00:20:21,940 --> 00:20:30,340 I did drive down the expressway coming back from the airport and did notice this big American 456 00:20:30,340 --> 00:20:32,900 flag from the road. 457 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:38,060 Elder person Kastner was very instrumental in recognizing how important it is to provide 458 00:20:38,060 --> 00:20:42,620 mass to the site and thought that three flag poles would be there, there's an American 459 00:20:42,620 --> 00:20:47,420 flag with an eagle that goes with the wind, there's also a turf flag and a green field 460 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:54,460 flag at that event on Saturday, literally had a dozen, two dozen people come up to me 461 00:20:54,460 --> 00:20:58,100 and say, how do I get one of them flags? 462 00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:01,020 The turf flag. 463 00:21:01,020 --> 00:21:07,500 But no, the site, the park, Eric Dresson, who was an escape boarding hall of fame was 464 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:15,620 there over the weekend, really nicely, really great skateboarder. 465 00:21:15,620 --> 00:21:21,860 He said it's one of the top three parks in the country, the historical significance 466 00:21:21,860 --> 00:21:24,540 places near the top. 467 00:21:24,540 --> 00:21:35,620 So there were license plates from Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, tons from 468 00:21:35,620 --> 00:21:38,900 Wisconsin, a lot of folks came up from Northern Illinois. 469 00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:39,900 That's any given weekend. 470 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:43,260 You can go there, well, it's raining, potentially. 471 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:47,100 But if you go there tonight, you'll see people from all over. 472 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:48,100 That's awesome. 473 00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:49,100 They need a hotel to stay in. 474 00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:54,820 Well, we did a study and it was premature at the time, but, you know, because of, you 475 00:21:54,820 --> 00:22:01,860 know, but another quick thing, next door to the turf, and the reason I'm bringing this 476 00:22:01,860 --> 00:22:07,620 up is because he was at the turf, so I'm stretching what I can say, it sounds like the 477 00:22:07,620 --> 00:22:14,260 building's next door, the big tech, light industrial spaces that should be starting 478 00:22:14,260 --> 00:22:19,500 in three to four weeks or sooner, so that's a good thing. 479 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:20,500 So, all right, sorry. 480 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:21,500 There's a motion. 481 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:22,500 There's a motion. 482 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:23,500 Motion is second. 483 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:24,500 All in favor. 484 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:25,500 Aye. 485 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:26,500 Opposed? 486 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:27,500 Motion carries. 487 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:28,500 Thank you. 488 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:29,500 And all you do? 489 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:30,500 Absolutely. 490 00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:31,500 Keep it up. 491 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:32,500 It's doing great. 492 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:33,500 Thank you. 493 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:34,500 Thank you. 494 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:40,260 For the Cobblestone Hotel and Suites of Provost Hotel to be located at 8,900 Cera Lane, submitted 495 00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:45,860 by Jeremy Grisbach, doing businesses, Cobblestone Hotel Development LLC. 496 00:22:45,860 --> 00:22:49,900 This is also the site landscaping and architectural review. 497 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:54,740 This is a matter of first impression for most people, so. 498 00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:59,140 So what we're looking at is the final building pad in 84 South, which is incredibly exciting 499 00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:02,300 to really see it to the very end here. 500 00:23:02,380 --> 00:23:06,660 So, Cobblestone Hotel, in Suites, they're going to construct a four-story building. 501 00:23:06,660 --> 00:23:10,260 It'll be approximately 36,800 square feet. 502 00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:13,100 The property is on PUD, which is a special use. 503 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:19,180 However, very similar to the other projects that have appeared in 84 South recently, such 504 00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:25,220 as Cooper's Hawks, Starbucks, Chipotle, all of that, because there was an intensive amount 505 00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:30,420 of public participation during the 84th South Creation Project. 506 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:34,060 In the past, public hearings have been waived by Plan Commission for these projects. 507 00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:38,060 Therefore, Plan Commission may choose to waive the public hearing requirement for this as 508 00:23:38,060 --> 00:23:39,060 well. 509 00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:42,780 Five full-time employees, ten part-time employees. 510 00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:46,300 It's going to be not only a hotel, but it'll have an indoor pool. 511 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:50,300 It'll offer continental breakfast, a fitness area, beer, and wine bar. 512 00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:55,220 It is a hotel, so the hours of operation are 24, 7, 365. 513 00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:57,140 The hearing requirement, 66, are required. 514 00:23:57,140 --> 00:24:04,620 They will provide 124 spaces that does include the ones down here as well. 515 00:24:04,620 --> 00:24:09,740 This, if the public hearing is waived, it could be expedited to next week's Common 516 00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:12,420 Council meeting on September 15th. 517 00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:16,780 Just looking through some elevations and materials, the elevations are shown. 518 00:24:16,780 --> 00:24:22,860 The South Elevation here is the primary entrance that faces into the 84 South property. 519 00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:26,420 The North Elevation is what is going to face the freeway. 520 00:24:26,420 --> 00:24:32,260 In terms of materials, they are proposing a thin-stone veneer, which is over here, and 521 00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:35,340 then they are going to have cement siding. 522 00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:41,060 Even though the color swatch is solid, it's a siding color, so there's going to be lots 523 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:42,060 of lines. 524 00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:44,300 It's not going to look like ethos at all. 525 00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:48,260 Over on the right, I'm just showing a picture from their recent building that opened up 526 00:24:48,260 --> 00:24:52,060 in Waukesha. 527 00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:57,260 It has the same, the stone veneer is the same. 528 00:24:57,260 --> 00:25:01,140 This is Efis, so we won't have that portion of it, and they aren't proposing any of the 529 00:25:01,140 --> 00:25:05,140 dark color, but I just wanted to show kind of what this little square looks like when 530 00:25:05,140 --> 00:25:08,980 you put it on a whole building and a whole side of the building. 531 00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:13,660 Can we stop there and I complain maybe? 532 00:25:13,660 --> 00:25:20,620 See how that picture of the Waukesha building and the elevation of the brown area is higher 533 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:22,300 than the rest of the building? 534 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:27,740 I don't see any of that differentiation in the building that is being presented here, 535 00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:33,980 and I think that would help tremendously on the design and feel of the building. 536 00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:37,420 You're saying just before the dark area? 537 00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:45,220 Where the dark area is, similar to where the entrance, bring it up like this one is to give 538 00:25:45,220 --> 00:25:48,380 it more, because that's what you're going to see. 539 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:50,980 You're not going to see the cars parked on the parking lot. 540 00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:57,020 You're going to see this beautiful building with this kind of, now you'll see kind of 541 00:25:57,020 --> 00:26:04,860 an up and down, it'll look, no, no, no, I'm just saying you just need that extra height 542 00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:09,860 above the roof light like you did in that one, exactly right there. 543 00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:18,180 I actually like the brown area. 544 00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:21,220 I think we can get a Hyperion, so I don't think that'd be an issue. 545 00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:25,260 Based on the, and I don't know what it is on top of my head, but the Aurora building's 546 00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:31,260 five stories, so yeah, so I assume that the PUD allows for up to five, so I don't think 547 00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:32,900 you'd be carrying on that. 548 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:34,380 I like to be sharp as well. 549 00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:36,540 I like the brown, actually. 550 00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:44,700 I'm sorry, I'm not using the right terminology, and if one of our designers, they'd all are 551 00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:47,540 happy, but I think you'll understand what I'm saying. 552 00:26:47,540 --> 00:26:48,540 That's dimension. 553 00:26:48,540 --> 00:26:49,540 Yeah. 554 00:26:49,540 --> 00:26:50,620 I like that a lot better. 555 00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:54,740 So basically, the same design, the same design as Waukesha, except where the EFS is, it'll 556 00:26:54,740 --> 00:27:02,060 be the cement board, hardy board that we use, that'll give it the lines and draw it in. 557 00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:03,060 Yeah. 558 00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:04,060 Okay. 559 00:27:04,060 --> 00:27:05,060 We can do that. 560 00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:07,060 And Micah, whatever. 561 00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:09,060 Yeah, I think that's true. 562 00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:10,060 Yeah. 563 00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:15,060 And then Hooper's Hawk has that same darkness, so that'll tie in a little bit. 564 00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:16,060 Point is together. 565 00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:17,060 Yeah. 566 00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:18,060 Perfect. 567 00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:21,820 Is it going to have any community rooms or spaces to rent out? 568 00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:27,220 We do have a meeting room in, probably 40-ish people in there that can be rented out, and 569 00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:30,940 then also our breakfast room slash bar, it can be rented out during the day if people 570 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:34,060 wanted to do, like, offsite meetings for a couple hours or breakout meetings or something 571 00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:35,060 like that. 572 00:27:35,060 --> 00:27:38,900 So we're not looking to be a conference center or anything like that, but there are, you 573 00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:44,420 know, whether it's a gift openings the day after a wedding could be the get ready for 574 00:27:44,420 --> 00:27:49,060 the wedding room, you know, like the bridesmaids prep room can be rented out during the week 575 00:27:49,060 --> 00:27:51,580 for offsite meetings and the such. 576 00:27:51,580 --> 00:27:52,580 There. 577 00:27:52,580 --> 00:27:53,580 Yep. 578 00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:54,580 Showers. 579 00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:55,580 Wedding showers, baby showers. 580 00:27:55,580 --> 00:27:56,580 Yeah. 581 00:27:56,580 --> 00:27:57,580 Try these cold showers. 582 00:27:57,580 --> 00:27:58,580 Depends on them. 583 00:27:58,580 --> 00:27:59,580 With lock doors. 584 00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:00,580 Yeah. 585 00:28:00,580 --> 00:28:01,580 No, it's hope. 586 00:28:01,580 --> 00:28:03,580 I have to bring you room. 587 00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:04,580 Yeah. 588 00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:05,580 I see this. 589 00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:06,580 Okay. 590 00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:09,980 Has the bar with the beer and wine, are you looking to get a full liquor license? 591 00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:13,140 If the license is available, we would probably just go for the full liquor license as long 592 00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:16,820 as the cost isn't exponentially more than a beer and wine license. 593 00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:19,620 It's all different in every city, obviously what's available and whatnot. 594 00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:24,380 So it's part of the recommendation is there's no objection to a full service liquor. 595 00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:25,620 No objection. 596 00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:26,620 I would encourage that. 597 00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:27,620 Yeah. 598 00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:28,620 We're not looking to be the local tavern. 599 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:29,620 No. 600 00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:30,620 No service for the guys. 601 00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:31,620 I think for yes, it makes sense. 602 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:32,620 Yep. 603 00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:33,620 Perfect. 604 00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:35,420 Not the margaritas at the holiday in that place. 605 00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:36,420 No. 606 00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:37,420 No, the holiday. 607 00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:38,420 No. 608 00:28:38,420 --> 00:28:39,420 Remember that. 609 00:28:39,420 --> 00:28:40,420 You'll see on that thing too. 610 00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:43,980 It says possible future outdoor activation. 611 00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:47,620 There's this idea that maybe there'll be a patio out there is something. 612 00:28:47,620 --> 00:28:48,620 Yeah. 613 00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:51,700 We talked about doing different things, you know, and again, they're just all ideas. 614 00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:55,740 So I hate to put anything on record, but it just gives us a, you know, if we do it as 615 00:28:55,780 --> 00:29:00,220 grass to begin with and do some nice landscaping out there, we can always upgrade it later, 616 00:29:00,220 --> 00:29:03,380 but we could also do a different sort of little public outings or something like that 617 00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:07,180 out there and have that as a space that could be used to draw more people to the area for 618 00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:08,980 special events or something like that. 619 00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:09,980 Very good. 620 00:29:09,980 --> 00:29:10,980 A good sunset sign. 621 00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:11,980 I don't know. 622 00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:12,980 I don't know. 623 00:29:12,980 --> 00:29:13,980 I don't know. 624 00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:14,980 The set lines. 625 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:15,980 Why not? 626 00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:16,980 We're trying to figure out a set line. 627 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:19,980 I don't think you'd have the set lines with a sunset line. 628 00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:20,980 In the late. 629 00:29:20,980 --> 00:29:21,980 Sorry. 630 00:29:21,980 --> 00:29:25,580 So with regard to signage, you'd probably want to sign along the freeway. 631 00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:27,900 Yeah, we normally put the signs on the building. 632 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:37,340 We'd love to do for sure the freeway facing and then also the parking lot facing sides. 633 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:42,420 If we could do the sides of the building, if we could do all four sides, if that worked, 634 00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:43,900 that'd be the best case scenario for us. 635 00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:48,060 But if that's an issue, we for sure would like the two on the highway facing side and 636 00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:51,060 then I'm going to call it the parking lot facing side. 637 00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:52,060 Mm-hmm. 638 00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:54,060 Will anyone see them on the sides? 639 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:56,380 I mean, it's going to be blocked by both buildings. 640 00:29:56,380 --> 00:29:59,700 Yeah, I guess it'd be blocked by Aurora coming from the South. 641 00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:00,700 Yeah, and then. 642 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:01,700 OK, drive by. 643 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:02,700 Yeah, I think you're right. 644 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,180 I think if we had the two, we'd be fine. 645 00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:05,180 Yeah. 646 00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:07,180 And if you're in the parking lot, it's right there. 647 00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:08,180 You'd be surprised. 648 00:30:08,180 --> 00:30:09,180 Yeah. 649 00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:10,180 Could anyone? 650 00:30:10,180 --> 00:30:11,180 Oh, I can imagine. 651 00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:13,620 You haven't done this analysis of the pictures. 652 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:14,620 Have you? 653 00:30:14,620 --> 00:30:15,620 Yeah. 654 00:30:15,620 --> 00:30:18,780 Just because I'm sure there's a sign code waiver coming at some point. 655 00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:19,780 Generally speaking. 656 00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:21,140 So they showed me two wall signs. 657 00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:23,940 They're allowed to have two wall signs. 658 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:28,580 They're allowed at 200 square feet of signage, I'm sure it's, or 250. 659 00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:29,580 So I just. 660 00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:34,140 So the ones that are represented in the pictures that you saw, I think that's pretty cool. 661 00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:35,140 Yeah. 662 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:37,060 I think that's the appropriate size. 663 00:30:37,060 --> 00:30:38,060 No. 664 00:30:38,060 --> 00:30:39,060 Yeah. 665 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:40,060 Yeah. 666 00:30:40,060 --> 00:30:47,820 So I'd get a waiver into this motion if there is one to approve it to allow two signs to 667 00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:48,820 be consistent with the signs. 668 00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:53,460 Is there a fire lane going to the back, to the north side of the road? 669 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:54,460 Yeah. 670 00:30:54,460 --> 00:31:01,420 There's a service road coming between Stein-Hoffels and where the hotel, or the space as it goes 671 00:31:01,420 --> 00:31:02,420 back there. 672 00:31:02,420 --> 00:31:05,020 And then there's the road coming from the back also. 673 00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:08,180 Two ways to get there. 674 00:31:08,180 --> 00:31:09,180 Yeah. 675 00:31:09,180 --> 00:31:10,180 It really is way to the front. 676 00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:13,380 I thought it was back farther in the first rendition. 677 00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:19,700 We moved it up to kind of be flush with the rest of the buildings on the parking lot side. 678 00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:20,700 Are thinking on that. 679 00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:22,100 And you can tell me I'm wrong. 680 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:23,100 I hear it a lot. 681 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,460 Thinking on that was twofold. 682 00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:29,060 I thought it just looked better with everything's kind of in line on the parking lot side. 683 00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:31,980 And then it also gets it a little bit further from the road from a noise standpoint. 684 00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:35,860 Obviously we'll have to do some special noise window, reduction windows and whatnot on the 685 00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:36,860 freeway side. 686 00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:39,020 But the distance will help us to there. 687 00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:42,420 Plus it opens up the back if you ever put a package on the back and it gives us that 688 00:31:42,420 --> 00:31:43,420 extra space to use. 689 00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:44,420 Yeah. 690 00:31:44,420 --> 00:31:45,420 I actually like it. 691 00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:46,420 Good at it. 692 00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:47,420 So we're now on. 693 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:48,420 Okay. 694 00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:50,980 Turn to the signage real quick. 695 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:53,900 I just want to make sure I have my ducks in a row on my end. 696 00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:59,980 So the current sign code would allow for two wall signs up to 200 square feet do you want? 697 00:31:59,980 --> 00:32:00,980 He's asking for two wall signs. 698 00:32:00,980 --> 00:32:01,980 So he already gets it. 699 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:04,460 Do you want to just increase the square footage just to. 700 00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:08,780 I want this square footage to be consistent with whatever is on the architectural drawing. 701 00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:09,780 Perfect. 702 00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:12,140 And that may be that may be that already. 703 00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:13,140 Yeah. 704 00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:15,380 I'm not positive. 705 00:32:15,380 --> 00:32:20,300 Otherwise we're going to just come back with a waiver because it's 80 feet over something. 706 00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:21,300 Yeah. 707 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:22,300 80 square feet. 708 00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:23,300 Right. 709 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:24,300 I don't know. 710 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:25,300 So. 711 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:26,300 Okay. 712 00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:27,300 Yeah. 713 00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:28,300 Is there a motion? 714 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:29,300 I'll make a motion. 715 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,300 Commissioner Carlson. 716 00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:31,300 Is there a second? 717 00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:32,300 I'll second. 718 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:34,300 With the understanding of the modifications. 719 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:35,300 Yeah. 720 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:37,980 That was all the modifications that we're going to discuss and then the liquor license is 721 00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:38,980 probably. 722 00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:39,980 Yes. 723 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:42,620 The liquor license is probably a big thing too. 724 00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:43,620 Yeah. 725 00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:46,860 I'll start getting liquor from total wine and bringing it. 726 00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:47,860 Yeah. 727 00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:49,700 I think it's going to be a great place for a hotel. 728 00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:50,700 Yeah. 729 00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:51,700 It'll be good. 730 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:52,700 Yeah. 731 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:53,700 And the hotel studies suggest it as much. 732 00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:54,700 Yeah. 733 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:55,700 Yeah. 734 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:56,700 It's going to be done in two weeks. 735 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,500 My family's coming to town. 736 00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:01,420 You'll have to send them to Waukesha for now. 737 00:33:01,420 --> 00:33:02,420 Sorry. 738 00:33:02,420 --> 00:33:04,180 It takes about 12, 14 months. 739 00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:05,180 Yeah. 740 00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:06,180 Yeah. 741 00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:07,180 Yeah. 742 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:11,420 Once we were the aggressive goal is to start construction yet this year and then hopefully 743 00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:14,340 they open by the end of 27. 744 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:15,820 But that is very aggressive. 745 00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:19,180 The weather is going to have to cooperate and we're going to have to have a few things 746 00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:20,180 go our way. 747 00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:24,580 So normally it's 15-ish months by the time we start pushing dirt actually opening the 748 00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:25,580 doors. 749 00:33:25,580 --> 00:33:26,580 Question for you. 750 00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:28,820 What's the going rate for? 751 00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:30,460 You know, it's really market by market. 752 00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:35,460 The feasibility study that was done suggested that the average daily rate should average 753 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:38,500 somewhere around that 150-ish mark. 754 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:43,500 And again, that season, there may be nights in the busy times where we're getting $300 755 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:49,180 a night, but there may be a Tuesday night in December, January, February, March that we'd 756 00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:52,140 be happy to rent your room for $109 or $119. 757 00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:56,460 So it's a commodity that expires every night and once you didn't sell it, you can't ever 758 00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:57,460 sell that night. 759 00:33:57,460 --> 00:33:58,460 Yeah. 760 00:33:58,460 --> 00:33:59,460 That's true. 761 00:33:59,460 --> 00:34:01,460 But I mean, we're upper middle class. 762 00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:02,460 Yeah. 763 00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:06,700 You know, I mean, it's very comparable to one of the big brands. 764 00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,300 We're based out of Nina, Wisconsin. 765 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:13,980 We're 161 hotels open or under construction in 26 states. 766 00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:17,900 My partner and I own the brand or the franchise company, Cobblestone Hotels. 767 00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:20,740 We own a general contracting company that'll be the builder. 768 00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:26,860 We have a management company that we own that'll operate it out of the 161 hotels, about 769 00:34:26,860 --> 00:34:29,500 30 of them are corporate stores and this will be another corporate store, where we'll 770 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,580 be the majority owner. 771 00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:36,540 So I live in the Piwaki area, spend a lot of time over this way. 772 00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:41,140 And we started talking about this with the guys from Cobalt on the land and then I was 773 00:34:41,140 --> 00:34:42,780 introduced to Mayor Nitsky. 774 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:47,500 It was interesting because 30 years ago, my wife lived in Overlook Farms when I started 775 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:51,700 dating her and I drove by here all the time living up in Hartford and I never had a dream 776 00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:57,180 up building a hotel and now it's really cool because you guys have done a great job with 777 00:34:57,180 --> 00:35:02,140 the city, but that development also just, it's kind of really turned that whole area 778 00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:03,140 around. 779 00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:05,860 What does your son do? 780 00:35:05,860 --> 00:35:08,620 There's a lot of my money, racist stock cars. 781 00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:12,740 So there's an Allen Quikki connection there too, which whenever Greenfield pops up Allen 782 00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:17,380 Quikki and that's another thing to, with this Main Street prototype, we'll be building 783 00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:20,940 all the guestroom artwork, our local historical pictures. 784 00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:24,660 So there will be at least some way somehow an Allen Quikki picture and then there's actually 785 00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:29,060 a mural in the lobby, like a wallpaper mural on one of the walls of a local historical 786 00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:30,060 picture. 787 00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:34,700 So I normally don't get involved in that but I'll be big in a favor or two from our operations 788 00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:37,220 people to have a pick or two on some pictures. 789 00:35:37,220 --> 00:35:43,660 So his son is a pretty accomplished, new or younger accomplished race car driver. 790 00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:50,380 What, what, is he driving trucks now or super late models and then a Midwest truck series 791 00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:56,100 he's dabbled a little bit and some of the bigger truck stuff, NASCAR wise, but as he 792 00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,860 said, his dad doesn't love them that much. 793 00:35:58,860 --> 00:36:03,700 All right, motion was made and seconded, right? 794 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:05,700 All in favor? 795 00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:06,700 Aye. 796 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:07,700 All opposed? 797 00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:08,700 Motion carries. 798 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:09,700 Thank you. 799 00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:10,700 Thank you all very much. 800 00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:11,700 Appreciate it. 801 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:16,700 I just want to give a couple updates on a couple occupancy permits. 802 00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:22,380 The next month's big things come in Elizabeth presidents is going to come back for conceptual 803 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:23,660 review. 804 00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:29,180 So they're going to be looking just for some feedback on that again. 805 00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:32,140 There is a new user going to VC beauty school. 806 00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:35,820 So pretty prepared for a rezone and a CSM for that. 807 00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:39,220 And then I just wanted to give a quick update on 33 22 West Layton Avenue. 808 00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:45,540 That is where Mr. Chicken is located after months of a lot of work from staff and the 809 00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:51,020 city attorney and emails and all that kind of stuff that they are implementing their landscape 810 00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:54,220 plan now and they are actively taking out the asphalt. 811 00:36:54,220 --> 00:37:00,460 If you remember that property over on Lumis it has the paved the whole back part has a 812 00:37:00,460 --> 00:37:03,940 really steep part coming right off the alley and that's being ripped out. 813 00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:08,260 It's going to have a retaining wall and landscaping and it's really just going to look a lot nicer. 814 00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:11,780 So after eight years we're finally getting what we were promised. 815 00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:13,980 Oh, I think it's longer than that. 816 00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:14,980 It's been 27 years. 817 00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:16,980 Well, I've been here for eight years. 818 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:17,980 Since pizza. 819 00:37:17,980 --> 00:37:18,980 Yeah. 820 00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:19,980 We did. 821 00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:26,940 I did look at the old historical and since the building was built in, what was it, 67 70 822 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:29,300 something is all been paved. 823 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:32,300 So we're very excited for it to not be entirely paved anymore. 824 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:35,100 So that's all I got. 825 00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:40,500 Just one quick thing under community development report. 826 00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:43,820 So like when you're the mayor and stuff you want the city to be a better place and you 827 00:37:43,820 --> 00:37:46,780 want it to be active, activated. 828 00:37:46,780 --> 00:37:51,020 You want people to visit your city a lot, right? 829 00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:52,020 I think we all do. 830 00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:54,500 I mean that's kind of what we do what we do. 831 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:58,780 So over the weekend I was at the turf event, right? 832 00:37:58,780 --> 00:38:01,780 And I left there and it was really active. 833 00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:05,540 And then I drove down Loomis to Layton and I took a right. 834 00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:10,420 And I drove by Conkel Park where the stuff was happening at the beer garden. 835 00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:17,620 And then I went past that and the miniature golf course was pretty active at that night. 836 00:38:17,620 --> 00:38:22,780 And then I went a little bit further and I got to the house of Harley event that was 837 00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:23,780 going on. 838 00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:25,460 It was pretty active. 839 00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:31,980 And then I went through the row construction of, you know, which is supposed to be done. 840 00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:34,420 It'll be done by October I think, right? 841 00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:39,580 And then I went, you know, past cops and it was it was hopping, right? 842 00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:44,180 And then I went, I kept going down late in Avenue and I looked at Cooper's Hawk and it 843 00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:51,140 was pretty darn crowded and like all of the stuff that we've been trying to do for a really 844 00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:53,140 long time. 845 00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:59,460 I can recall a time, you know, I could, I could take that trip 20 years ago and there 846 00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:06,260 would have been, you know, an old tool and die environmentally sensitive problem at the 847 00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:07,260 turf, right? 848 00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:13,780 And I could have taken a right and Conkel Park would have basically been a field with concrete 849 00:39:13,780 --> 00:39:17,660 blocks protruding from it with no activation whatsoever. 850 00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:22,580 And a volleyball court kind of off an asphalt thing, there might have been a softball game. 851 00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:28,340 The miniature golf course may have been going, but it didn't, even 20 years ago was, it was 852 00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:31,500 a little challenged, right? 853 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:37,060 House of Harley, 20 years ago was part was a hardware store. 854 00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:41,460 If you'll remember that and a lampshade place, I think. 855 00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:43,460 Do you remember all that? 856 00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:44,460 That was an 80. 857 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:45,460 It was a 20. 858 00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:46,460 Well, 25. 859 00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:47,460 30. 860 00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:48,460 Right? 861 00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:53,700 But it doesn't look like it, 20 years ago, it didn't look like it looks now. 862 00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,780 I think the new house has definitely been in there. 863 00:39:57,780 --> 00:40:02,460 And you know, and cops probably look, I think it didn't have the corner was there with 864 00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:08,300 the gas station, which is why, you know, they can't build on it for a while. 865 00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:15,180 So that's kind of why it is what it is right now, you know, as a meditation kind of area. 866 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:21,780 And 84 South was the old sign-offles on the corner and those homes, right? 867 00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:24,380 The landscape in 176th Street wasn't there either. 868 00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:28,660 No, wasn't there, and it needs to be kind of spruced up a little bit. 869 00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:29,660 Oh, yeah. 870 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:31,660 Is there anything that's coming here? 871 00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:41,500 Coping with an 84th Street, right across the street from 84 South. 872 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:44,260 Now there's a sign there that says development opportunity. 873 00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:46,260 So I'm not quite sure what that's about. 874 00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:52,180 I don't know if you've been immediately north of Penny Mustard, I'm actually very aware 875 00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:53,180 of it. 876 00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:54,180 Two houses. 877 00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:55,180 They do. 878 00:40:55,180 --> 00:40:56,180 I do. 879 00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:57,180 Yeah. 880 00:40:57,180 --> 00:41:01,540 So the two houses immediately north of Penny Mustard are owned by Penny Mustard. 881 00:41:01,540 --> 00:41:08,140 They'll be coming to plan commission next month for CSM and rezone. 882 00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:10,140 Okay. 883 00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:16,020 And as I'm sitting here, although this is in Greenfield, the Sendex on Hylun Hunter 884 00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:17,020 and Edgerton. 885 00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:18,020 Yep. 886 00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:19,020 Quick trip, apparently. 887 00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:20,020 Yeah. 888 00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:21,020 Bought them. 889 00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:22,020 Bought it. 890 00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:25,540 I didn't ever, didn't know that. 891 00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:26,540 That's good. 892 00:41:26,540 --> 00:41:31,620 I mean, while we still don't have a quick trip and anybody wants one, the mere fact that 893 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:35,020 one's four blocks from my house is pretty good. 894 00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:39,900 But I can get my donuts without having to go all the way down to Minaj, you know? 895 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:41,900 I love those donuts. 896 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:43,900 They're really good. 897 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:44,900 Chickens good. 898 00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:46,900 The Mountain Dew flavored donuts weren't good. 899 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:54,140 I got to tell you, I was excited that they were going to be good, but they weren't good. 900 00:41:54,140 --> 00:42:03,420 But the cherry ones and the, yeah, you just see a cannon. 901 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:05,500 One quick trip is kind of close to Bucky's. 902 00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:09,260 There's a quick trip on Ryan out there, right? 903 00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:10,260 There's one on Ross. 904 00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:11,260 Is it not Ross? 905 00:42:11,260 --> 00:42:12,260 What is it? 906 00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:13,260 Drexel. 907 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:14,260 Drexel. 908 00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:15,260 Yeah. 909 00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:20,060 The one that's kind of weird, it's like part of the industrial park over there. 910 00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:21,060 Right over there. 911 00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:22,060 Yeah. 912 00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:23,060 Yeah. 913 00:42:23,060 --> 00:42:24,560 They just redid the whole thing. 914 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,700 I'm not sure I'm going to be driving no creek to go to Bucky's just to, yeah. 915 00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:38,940 Last year, we were driving through, like, my home from, uh, Dali Park's place. 916 00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:39,940 You were at Dali Park's place? 917 00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:40,940 Dali World? 918 00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:41,940 You were there? 919 00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:44,940 We stepped up to the Bucky's and, uh, we built it, Dali. 920 00:42:44,940 --> 00:42:50,380 Just to get into the parking lot, we had to wait 10 minutes for it to come in. 921 00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:51,380 Oh, my goodness. 922 00:42:51,380 --> 00:42:53,380 And there's eight percent acre in the park. 923 00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:56,380 We have over 120 pounds. 924 00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:57,380 Yeah. 925 00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:58,380 I just think. 926 00:42:59,380 --> 00:43:02,500 And you go inside. 927 00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:07,740 And it's all the wall people. 928 00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:09,560 It's a gas station. 929 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,560 Yeah. 930 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,660 Well, with a Walmart at the edge. 931 00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:13,660 Yeah. 932 00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:14,660 So, yeah. 933 00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:16,300 Pretty much like a, yeah. 934 00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:17,900 I don't know. 935 00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:19,300 I don't know. 936 00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:22,580 I wonder if there's down on a serious kid. 937 00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:24,820 I don't know. 938 00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:26,220 I wonder if there's down on a serious kid. 939 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:33,580 So, this is, I just, community, and I know we want to get out of here, but under community 940 00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:38,420 development report, I'm stretching it here a little bit. 941 00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:43,180 But back when 84th South was started, that was the same time that Akia was looking around, 942 00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:44,180 right? 943 00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:47,500 And it's like, why don't you put in Akia there, right, on the 40 acres? 944 00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:52,300 So, Akia would take the entire 40 acres. 945 00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:53,900 I don't know what Akia's are worth. 946 00:43:53,900 --> 00:44:02,900 So, do you want to, in Akia, 40 acres of your most valuable property? 947 00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:11,060 Or do you want sort of a really true mixed use development that's worth 200 million? 948 00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:19,420 So that's always the challenge with some of that stuff across the street, over at spring 949 00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:20,420 wall. 950 00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:21,820 And it sounds like that's still moving along. 951 00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:25,820 There was an article in the paper about Mandel last week, if you saw that, it should have 952 00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:27,900 no material impact on anything that's happened. 953 00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:28,900 Yeah, they sold off, right? 954 00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:29,900 And they sold off? 955 00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:31,820 I think they sold off parts of it. 956 00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:38,300 So, that stuff's all complicated, it's all taxes, and it's all this and that, but, so 957 00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:42,380 you could, you know, do you want to Woodmans or, and Woodmans isn't going there, although 958 00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:44,660 they looked at the site once. 959 00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:49,580 Do you want to Woodmans that's worth 18 million, or do you want housing that brings more people 960 00:44:49,580 --> 00:44:50,580 to your community? 961 00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:55,540 It's $56 million, so you kind of want, you know, and it is naturally mixed use, there's 962 00:44:55,540 --> 00:44:59,900 a pharmacy there, there's a grocery store there, right? 963 00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:00,900 Bike trail? 964 00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:03,580 There is a bike trail there, there's a restaurant there, that's going to- 965 00:45:03,580 --> 00:45:07,380 The access to Willard's fourth home in the fridge, or is it just a free spot? 966 00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:10,900 So you're constantly, oh, why don't you put a target there, right? 967 00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:15,980 Well, you, we can put a target there, but it's worth, right? 968 00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:19,140 And you could have other things, and, you know, maybe some of those communities like 969 00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:23,300 Oak Creek and Franklin that have a lot of land, you know, they can, once you put a 970 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:27,140 target there, you know, we'll come visit, right? 971 00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:28,140 So just- 972 00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:30,060 And then there's such values, always a problem, right? 973 00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:31,060 They always- 974 00:45:31,060 --> 00:45:32,060 Yeah. 975 00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:36,260 Challenge to assess value, which also is a problem, right? 976 00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:37,260 With those big box stores or something. 977 00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:43,460 Yeah, so we, I don't know, this is under community development managers report. 978 00:45:43,460 --> 00:45:47,940 We have been involved in litigation with Walmart for a number of years. 979 00:45:47,940 --> 00:45:48,940 Yep. 980 00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:54,980 We received a decision last week that was advantageous to us at the trial court. 981 00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:59,860 I suspect that they're going to appeal, because it wouldn't be a good thing, necessarily, 982 00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:00,860 for them. 983 00:46:00,860 --> 00:46:03,860 But that's the other struggle is that these- 984 00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:14,060 That's why I'm trying to get the grass cut dude, seriously. 985 00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:17,820 It's like they have a lot of the property. 986 00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:26,500 We put a lot of resources into them on a daily basis, and then they turn around and 987 00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:34,540 come back and say, you know, our property is worth less than way less, way, way less than 988 00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:41,620 what we paid for it, not even the bill, just to buy it into environment, right? 989 00:46:41,620 --> 00:46:42,620 Yeah. 990 00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:47,180 I'm just saying, right? 991 00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:49,180 That's a struggle, right? 992 00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:55,380 A more diverse tax base that isn't reliant on one big thing is usually better. 993 00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:57,380 So, anyways. 994 00:46:57,380 --> 00:47:03,260 Hey, Gina, do you have an estimated time for that building that's on 51st and late in there 995 00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:04,260 across from Conkel? 996 00:47:04,260 --> 00:47:05,260 I do not. 997 00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:08,740 I mean, it's all in the inspector's hands at this point in the- 998 00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:09,740 Is it? 999 00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:12,700 Is this moving slower than I would expected? 1000 00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:20,620 Having gone through the construction, I have a shelter recently at the turf, you know, 1001 00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:26,460 which was supposed to be complete by the middle of July, but the block was this and they couldn't 1002 00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:27,460 get that. 1003 00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:28,460 Yeah. 1004 00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:39,700 Contractors are really- They're stretched thin, so even his hotel, you know, 12 months, 1005 00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:43,300 15 months, 18 months to build this thing, right? 1006 00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:44,300 Wow. 1007 00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:46,300 Why can't you build it quicker, right? 1008 00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:48,100 Because things just take time. 1009 00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:52,980 I think the weather is- The lead time is on, like, electrical switches and a whole bunch 1010 00:47:52,980 --> 00:47:55,820 of other stuff are incredible. 1011 00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:56,820 Crazy. 1012 00:47:56,820 --> 00:48:02,780 The buildings that I talked about on Loomis that are going to be going up, the precast, 1013 00:48:02,780 --> 00:48:09,060 as I understand it, the precast concrete walls, right, have been pre-ordered for months. 1014 00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:13,460 Just to get them in queue, to get there. 1015 00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:17,780 So it's not like you can just go to Menard, just like, hey, throw some concrete panels 1016 00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:21,300 on the back and let's go build something. 1017 00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:26,380 It's- The tariffs, clearly, are going to have some challenges, I think, with Canada, with 1018 00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:29,500 other prices, maybe, right? 1019 00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:34,900 I mean, that's- That stuff is- I mean, that has real impact. 1020 00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:36,700 It's not, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1021 00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:38,500 Especially on long leads. 1022 00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:44,100 So, anyways, is there a motion to adjourn? 1023 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:45,500 I'll make a motion to adjourn. 1024 00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,640 Sorry, I can- By Commissioner Weiss, I can make Commissioner Carlson, I don't favor. 1025 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:49,640 Aye. 1026 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,640 Aye. 1027 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,640 Aye. 1028 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,640 Aye. 1029 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:53,640 Aye. 1030 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,640 Aye. 1031 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,640 Aye. 1032 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:56,640 Aye. 1033 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,640 Aye. 1034 00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,640 Aye. 1035 00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,640 Aye. 1036 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,640 Aye. 1037 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:01,640 Aye. 1038 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:02,640 Aye. 1039 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,640 Aye. 1040 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,640 Aye.