00:00:06:17	00:00:08:10	>> I think local government
00:00:08:10	00:00:09:17	is what will impact them
00:00:09:17	00:00:10:27	the most in their daily lives
00:00:10:27	00:00:12:06	when they're adults.
00:00:12:06	00:00:13:12	And I think it's a part of
00:00:13:12	00:00:14:14	the curriculum that is
00:00:14:14	00:00:16:01	often missing.
00:00:16:01	00:00:17:00	I think current events
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00:00:18:19	00:00:19:27	And I didn't want current events
00:00:19:27	00:00:21:04	to be something that kids hate.
00:00:21:04	00:00:22:10	I wanted something that would
00:00:22:10	00:00:23:22	engage them, and they would go
00:00:23:22	00:00:24:21	out on their own and read
00:00:24:21	00:00:25:21	the paper, and things.
00:00:25:21	00:00:26:21	I think you have to,
00:00:26:21	00:00:27:23	on an emotional level, if you
00:00:27:23	00:00:28:25	can connect them a little bit,
00:00:28:25	00:00:30:24	that's helpful.
00:00:30:24	00:00:32:29	If you teach a controversy,
00:00:32:29	00:00:34:06	where you're giving multiple
00:00:34:06	00:00:35:20	perspectives on the issue,
00:00:35:20	00:00:37:13	that's an appropriate thing
00:00:37:13	00:00:38:17	to do.
00:00:38:17	00:00:39:17	All right, so today what
00:00:39:17	00:00:40:29	we're going to do, is
00:00:40:29	00:00:42:25	we're going to look at a lesson
00:00:42:25	00:00:44:11	about Native American mascots.
00:00:44:11	00:00:45:23	So what I want you guys to do,
00:00:45:23	00:00:46:20	is you can kind of see
00:00:46:20	00:00:48:23	these images.
00:00:48:23	00:00:49:24	What words or images
00:00:49:24	00:00:51:06	come to mind when viewing
00:00:51:06	00:00:53:11	the Indian mascot?
00:00:53:11	00:00:54:10	Any?
00:00:54:10	00:00:55:15	It's word association.
00:00:55:15	00:00:56:13	What do you think of
00:00:56:13	00:00:58:03	when you see these images?
00:00:58:03	00:00:59:01	I'll put them back.
00:00:59:01	00:01:00:26	Word association.
00:01:00:26	00:01:02:24	You have like two minutes.
00:01:02:24	00:01:04:19	>> I just think about
00:01:04:19	00:01:07:12	the stereotypes toward Indians.
00:01:07:12	00:01:09:01	>> Anthony, what did you think?
00:01:09:01	00:01:11:13	>> Team spirit.
00:01:11:13	00:01:13:10	>> Dances with Wolves,
00:01:13:10	00:01:14:13	with Kevin Costner.
00:01:14:13	00:01:15:16	(laughter)
00:01:15:16	00:01:16:15	>> Cowboys.
00:01:16:15	00:01:17:12	>> Indians.
00:01:17:12	00:01:18:14	>> Cowboys and Indians.
00:01:18:14	00:01:19:12	>> Baseball.
00:01:19:12	00:01:21:10	>> Baseball? Why baseball?
00:01:21:10	00:01:22:21	>> Because that's a mascot.
00:01:22:21	00:01:25:03	>> I think what's interesting
00:01:25:03	00:01:26:17	from your images and your words
00:01:26:17	00:01:28:07	is that some of you had negative
00:01:28:07	00:01:29:20	images, and some of you had
00:01:29:20	00:01:31:09	positive images, which is
00:01:31:09	00:01:32:11	interesting, because our issue
00:01:32:11	00:01:33:25	today raises a lot
00:01:33:25	00:01:36:02	of emotional issues,
00:01:36:02	00:01:37:20	some on the positive side
00:01:37:20	00:01:40:06	and some on the negative side.
00:01:40:06	00:01:41:13	So what we're going to look at
00:01:41:13	00:01:44:09	today, and our question is,
00:01:44:09	00:01:46:02	should Wisconsin ban the use
00:01:46:02	00:01:47:23	of Indian mascots and logos
00:01:47:23	00:01:49:24	in their public schools?
00:01:49:24	00:01:50:29	I had divided them from the
00:01:50:29	00:01:53:06	groups of four into partners.
00:01:53:06	00:01:54:18	And they have to talk about what
00:01:54:18	00:01:55:27	they thought two good arguments
00:01:55:27	00:01:57:10	were that they already heard.
00:01:57:10	00:01:58:24	And then, my goal on this lesson
00:01:58:24	00:02:00:02	was for them to find
00:02:00:02	00:02:01:09	one additional new argument
00:02:01:09	00:02:02:20	to support that side.
00:02:02:20	00:02:03:25	And I'm going to put you
00:02:03:25	00:02:05:18	in groups of four, okay.
00:02:05:18	00:02:06:19	So that's the group
00:02:06:19	00:02:07:17	you're going to be working
00:02:07:17	00:02:08:22	on this issue with.
00:02:08:22	00:02:09:24	From the four, you're going
00:02:09:24	00:02:11:08	to break into pairs.
00:02:11:08	00:02:12:14	Two are going to support
00:02:12:14	00:02:14:03	and two are going to oppose
00:02:14:03	00:02:15:25	the issue of mascots.
00:02:15:25	00:02:17:11	Once they learn about an issue,
00:02:17:11	00:02:18:18	they become more engaged.
00:02:18:18	00:02:20:05	And what I found is that
00:02:20:05	00:02:21:18	a variety of different issues
00:02:21:18	00:02:22:27	engage different kids,
00:02:22:27	00:02:24:08	so you have to provide
00:02:24:08	00:02:25:14	a variety of issues, because
00:02:25:14	00:02:26:14	some will engage some students
00:02:26:14	00:02:28:05	and some will engage others.
00:02:28:05	00:02:30:00	To start with, though,
00:02:30:00	00:02:31:11	I thought I'd provide to you
00:02:31:11	00:02:33:23	a variety of information.
00:02:33:23	00:02:34:26	So I'm going to show you,
00:02:34:26	00:02:37:00	actually, two video clips.
00:02:37:00	00:02:38:04	And you're going to find
00:02:38:04	00:02:39:23	arguments, both to support
00:02:39:23	00:02:42:04	the yes and the no argument.
00:02:47:13	00:02:48:19	So I think what I'd do is just
00:02:48:19	00:02:50:06	jot down a few words or images
00:02:50:06	00:02:51:05	about some of the arguments
00:02:51:05	00:02:52:03	you heard,
00:02:52:03	00:02:53:03	while you remember them.
00:02:53:03	00:02:54:03	And you can expand on them
00:02:54:03	00:02:55:03	before I show you
00:02:55:03	00:02:57:22	the other videotape.
00:02:57:22	00:02:59:00	>> And so, when the Chief
00:02:59:00	00:03:00:12	stepped foot on the court
00:03:00:12	00:03:01:25	one last time, it seemed as if
00:03:01:25	00:03:03:02	the fans knew that they were
00:03:03:02	00:03:04:27	witnessing something historic,
00:03:04:27	00:03:07:00	the end of a controversial era.
00:03:07:00	00:03:09:29	The Chief's last dance.
00:03:09:29	00:03:11:03	>> Students can bring
00:03:11:03	00:03:12:06	the awareness to me.
00:03:12:06	00:03:13:01	They might have an issue
00:03:13:01	00:03:14:03	or concern
00:03:14:03	00:03:15:08	that they want to talk about.
00:03:15:08	00:03:16:21	I look in the paper.
00:03:16:21	00:03:17:26	I watch the news.
00:03:17:26	00:03:19:14	I like to think
00:03:19:14	00:03:20:29	I'm an engaged citizen.
00:03:20:29	00:03:22:11	So, I can bring some awareness
00:03:22:11	00:03:23:17	to them about what's going on
00:03:23:17	00:03:24:27	in the world.
00:03:24:27	00:03:27:00	And if I'm engaged,
00:03:27:00	00:03:29:02	their parents might be engaged.
00:03:29:02	00:03:30:16	It's kind of an interesting
00:03:30:16	00:03:31:26	marriage between what
00:03:31:26	00:03:33:00	the kids are interested in and
00:03:33:00	00:03:34:16	what's going on in the world.
00:03:34:16	00:03:35:20	Find as many arguments
00:03:35:20	00:03:37:07	as you can, okay?
00:03:37:07	00:03:38:16	Write them in your notes
00:03:38:16	00:03:39:17	and then you and your partner
00:03:39:17	00:03:40:17	will discuss what you think
00:03:40:17	00:03:42:16	are the top four.
00:03:42:16	00:03:43:23	>> So, we're supposed to like,
00:03:43:23	00:03:44:29	skim these and?
00:03:44:29	00:03:46:10	>> Yeah.
00:03:46:10	00:03:47:06	>> Those who want
00:03:47:06	00:03:48:08	the name changed
00:03:48:08	00:03:49:22	would like it changed to what?
00:03:49:22	00:03:50:27	The Pussy Cats
00:03:50:27	00:03:53:08	or the Fighting Librarians?
00:03:53:08	00:03:54:11	You don't name your own team
00:03:54:11	00:03:55:15	after someone or something
00:03:55:15	00:03:56:20	you don't respect.
00:03:56:20	00:03:57:26	>> They had me
00:03:57:26	00:03:59:16	for like the first paragraph.
00:03:59:16	00:04:02:06	After that, it was ridiculous.
00:04:02:06	00:04:03:12	It's like you could name it
00:04:03:12	00:04:05:16	a bunch of other stuff.
00:04:05:16	00:04:06:20	>> It may be a violation
00:04:06:20	00:04:08:10	of civil rights, it says.
00:04:08:10	00:04:09:23	>> I think when
00:04:09:23	00:04:12:03	a teacher comes to the table,
00:04:12:03	00:04:14:17	you always have biases.
00:04:14:17	00:04:16:13	By providing multiple
00:04:16:13	00:04:19:00	perspectives in the classroom
00:04:19:00	00:04:20:08	and when leading the discussion,
00:04:20:08	00:04:21:24	not saying, "Really,
00:04:21:24	00:04:24:11	that's your position?"
00:04:24:11	00:04:25:21	You know, I want to make it
00:04:25:21	00:04:27:00	feel like they can have
00:04:27:00	00:04:28:11	the perspective they want,
00:04:28:11	00:04:30:21	just support it with evidence,
00:04:30:21	00:04:31:29	and teach good arguing skills,
00:04:31:29	00:04:33:21	but not tell them how
00:04:33:21	00:04:36:01	they have to think or believe.
00:04:36:01	00:04:37:05	I heard you over there say,
00:04:37:05	00:04:38:05	"I already have opinions,
00:04:38:05	00:04:39:03	I don't need to write
00:04:39:03	00:04:40:02	stuff down."
00:04:40:02	00:04:40:29	See if there are other arguments
00:04:40:29	00:04:42:13	that help support your position
00:04:42:13	00:04:43:20	on this.
00:04:43:20	00:04:44:29	>> They want to keep it around,
00:04:44:29	00:04:46:24	because it means something
00:04:46:24	00:04:48:04	to the students, and just like,
00:04:48:04	00:04:49:09	it makes the school
00:04:49:09	00:04:50:09	a better place.
00:04:50:09	00:04:51:08	If they got rid of the mascot,
00:04:51:08	00:04:52:12	I think the school
00:04:52:12	00:04:53:14	would just get worse.
00:04:53:14	00:04:54:20	>> On the issue, I'm just hoping
00:04:54:20	00:04:55:28	that they can have
00:04:55:28	00:04:57:02	a broader understanding
00:04:57:02	00:04:58:01	of the controversy, why it's
00:04:58:01	00:05:00:04	a controversy, and perhaps
00:05:00:04	00:05:01:09	why people are pretty emotional
00:05:01:09	00:05:02:28	about it.
00:05:02:28	00:05:03:28	>> All they're saying
00:05:03:28	00:05:05:02	is that they want to honor the
00:05:05:02	00:05:07:06	Native Americans, and not like,
00:05:07:06	00:05:08:15	discriminate them.
00:05:08:15	00:05:09:21	They're not trying
00:05:09:21	00:05:11:17	to take them down.
00:05:11:17	00:05:12:26	>> I think, to be an engaged
00:05:12:26	00:05:14:05	and active citizen is a really
00:05:14:05	00:05:15:09	important goal of a government
00:05:15:09	00:05:17:06	and a social studies curriculum.
00:05:17:06	00:05:18:14	That was why I hadn't
00:05:18:14	00:05:20:21	jumped to the activism part.
00:05:20:21	00:05:21:23	Because I knew that they weren't
00:05:21:23	00:05:23:25	ready to go there yet.
00:05:23:25	00:05:25:11	I wanted them to keep exploring
00:05:25:11	00:05:26:24	the two sides of the issue.
00:05:26:24	00:05:28:01	And I thought it was interesting
00:05:28:01	00:05:29:18	that at the end they were
00:05:29:18	00:05:31:06	actually addressing one another.
00:05:31:06	00:05:32:12	That's one of the big goals
00:05:32:12	00:05:33:19	of my discussion.
00:05:33:19	00:05:34:27	It's not me that they have to
00:05:34:27	00:05:36:03	direct all their comments to.
00:05:36:03	00:05:37:05	They should be talking
00:05:37:05	00:05:38:04	to one another,
00:05:38:04	00:05:39:12	and addressing themselves.
00:05:39:12	00:05:40:24	>> There's other mascots
00:05:40:24	00:05:42:04	that are for like Irish people,
00:05:42:04	00:05:43:05	and stuff like that.
00:05:43:05	00:05:44:00	It's not like
00:05:44:00	00:05:45:03	they're getting offended.
00:05:45:03	00:05:46:02	But I think
00:05:46:02	00:05:47:16	they take it differently,
00:05:47:16	00:05:49:07	because of the past history.
00:05:49:07	00:05:50:15	>> I'm looking at all of these
00:05:50:15	00:05:51:19	in Wisconsin.
00:05:51:19	00:05:52:28	It is such a big part of
00:05:52:28	00:05:54:13	our culture, because of all the
00:05:54:13	00:05:56:01	Indian tribes that were here.
00:05:56:01	00:05:57:10	It's been part of our history.
00:05:57:10	00:05:58:14	It's an important thing
00:05:58:14	00:06:00:14	to be representing.
00:06:00:14	00:06:01:15	>> He's in the school district
00:06:01:15	00:06:02:17	right next door.
00:06:02:17	00:06:03:20	He's arguing that they shouldn't
00:06:03:20	00:06:04:21	have their Native American
00:06:04:21	00:06:06:02	mascot.
00:06:06:02	00:06:08:17	>> Okay, 81%.
00:06:08:17	00:06:10:20	>> 81% of Americans said that
00:06:10:20	00:06:12:16	they shouldn't use mascots
00:06:12:16	00:06:13:27	for high school and college.
00:06:13:27	00:06:17:07	And 83% said no for pro teams.
00:06:17:07	00:06:18:17	>> It kind of seems like
00:06:18:17	00:06:20:11	most of them are saying no
00:06:20:11	00:06:21:25	for anything at all.
00:06:21:25	00:06:23:08	Native Americans are like,
00:06:23:08	00:06:24:23	they don't want it, because
00:06:24:23	00:06:26:26	the way they're using it now
00:06:26:26	00:06:28:19	is derogatory.
00:06:28:19	00:06:30:21	>> So, what from the video,
00:06:30:21	00:06:33:03	what from this do you think are
00:06:33:03	00:06:34:14	the most compelling arguments?
00:06:34:14	00:06:35:14	You don't have to agree with
00:06:35:14	00:06:36:13	them, but just the arguments
00:06:36:13	00:06:37:17	that you think
00:06:37:17	00:06:38:15	are the most compelling.
00:06:38:15	00:06:39:18	Think about once you have
00:06:39:18	00:06:40:23	four really good arguments,
00:06:40:23	00:06:41:23	you're going to team up with
00:06:41:23	00:06:42:23	them and share what arguments
00:06:42:23	00:06:44:02	you came up with.
00:06:44:02	00:06:45:08	>> If they want them banned,
00:06:45:08	00:06:46:22	they should be able to like,
00:06:46:22	00:06:48:03	have the opinion of banning
00:06:48:03	00:06:49:13	them, because like,
00:06:49:13	00:06:50:16	I'm not Native American.
00:06:50:16	00:06:51:16	Sam and I
00:06:51:16	00:06:52:18	both talked about this.
00:06:52:18	00:06:53:26	>> Yeah.
00:06:53:26	00:06:55:03	>> We're not Native Americans.
00:06:55:03	00:06:56:15	>> People use them, like
00:06:56:15	00:06:57:23	an Indian as their mascot,
00:06:57:23	00:06:58:25	because they thought
00:06:58:25	00:07:00:17	that it showed their opposition
00:07:00:17	00:07:02:08	that they were fierce,
00:07:02:08	00:07:03:20	and they were ready to win.
00:07:03:20	00:07:06:02	>> Our first argument was that
00:07:06:02	00:07:08:23	having Indians as a mascot
00:07:08:23	00:07:10:07	is not trying to demoralize
00:07:10:07	00:07:12:09	Native Americans.
00:07:12:09	00:07:13:15	It's more of an honor
00:07:13:15	00:07:15:18	for the Native Americans.
00:07:15:18	00:07:17:22	>> For ours, we said
00:07:17:22	00:07:20:00	it was disrespectful
00:07:20:00	00:07:21:21	to the Indian beliefs.
00:07:21:21	00:07:23:16	Mostly because it's like being
00:07:23:16	00:07:27:23	like they're wanting to fight.
00:07:27:23	00:07:29:14	>> We don't have, like,
00:07:29:14	00:07:31:24	Mexicans as mascots,
00:07:31:24	00:07:33:25	or black people as your mascots.
00:07:33:25	00:07:35:09	We're people, and we're all
00:07:35:09	00:07:36:17	the same, so I don't think
00:07:36:17	00:07:37:24	we should use people
00:07:37:24	00:07:39:21	as our mascots.
00:07:39:21	00:07:40:25	>> The lesson was done
00:07:40:25	00:07:43:09	in two days.
00:07:46:18	00:07:47:24	So I want you
00:07:47:24	00:07:48:23	to switch positions.
00:07:48:23	00:07:49:22	Find and talk about what
00:07:49:22	00:07:50:20	you think the two best ones
00:07:50:20	00:07:51:20	are that you've already heard.
00:07:51:20	00:07:53:09	Try to come up with a new one.
00:07:53:09	00:07:54:25	Then I want you to come back
00:07:54:25	00:07:56:18	together as a group of four,
00:07:56:18	00:07:57:23	share your arguments
00:07:57:23	00:07:59:07	that you thought were the best.
00:07:59:07	00:08:00:20	And then I have a ten-minute
00:08:00:20	00:08:02:06	video to show you, to further
00:08:02:06	00:08:03:27	enhance your understanding
00:08:03:27	00:08:05:07	of the issue.
00:08:05:07	00:08:07:20	Yeah, I think video, pictures,
00:08:07:20	00:08:10:08	any sort of technology
00:08:10:08	00:08:11:08	is important.
00:08:11:08	00:08:12:09	Kids are used to that.
00:08:12:09	00:08:13:09	They see all these images
00:08:13:09	00:08:14:04	all day.
00:08:14:04	00:08:15:18	They do those sorts of things.
00:08:15:18	00:08:16:28	So, to be able to bring that
00:08:16:28	00:08:18:00	into the classroom,
00:08:18:00	00:08:19:20	that's part of the engagement,
00:08:19:20	00:08:22:12	to have a variety of ways
00:08:22:12	00:08:24:08	for them to take in information.
00:08:24:08	00:08:25:21	>> People who don't know
00:08:25:21	00:08:27:23	as much may not be as careful
00:08:27:23	00:08:29:13	how to use it.
00:08:29:13	00:08:31:28	>> Okay, so what if you had
00:08:31:28	00:08:34:01	a friend who was Native American
00:08:34:01	00:08:35:27	and he or she found it
00:08:35:27	00:08:37:25	offensive?
00:08:37:25	00:08:39:09	>> I'm confused.
00:08:39:09	00:08:41:05	The yes side, I think, can say
00:08:41:05	00:08:42:28	that they should be banned,
00:08:42:28	00:08:45:21	just 'cause they're racist.
00:08:45:21	00:08:47:18	But then, the only thing
00:08:47:18	00:08:49:15	I agree with on the other side,
00:08:49:15	00:08:50:28	is that they show, like, bravery
00:08:50:28	00:08:52:15	and power, and stuff,
00:08:52:15	00:08:54:00	so it's kind of respectful.
00:08:54:00	00:08:55:20	>> But you know, in the same way
00:08:55:20	00:08:57:14	you're showing the bravery
00:08:57:14	00:08:59:04	and power, you're kind of
00:08:59:04	00:09:01:09	showing silliness.
00:09:01:09	00:09:02:22	>> But like for the other side,
00:09:02:22	00:09:04:12	they show respect.
00:09:04:12	00:09:06:18	So, I'm really confused.
00:09:06:18	00:09:07:29	>> It's nice that
00:09:07:29	00:09:09:23	they're choosing Indians
00:09:09:23	00:09:11:16	to portray what's respectful.
00:09:11:16	00:09:12:25	What's disrespectful is how
00:09:12:25	00:09:15:11	they portray them, you know?
00:09:15:11	00:09:16:22	>> Most people that are racist
00:09:16:22	00:09:18:02	aren't people that you think
00:09:18:02	00:09:19:16	would be.
00:09:19:16	00:09:20:16	>> Yeah.
00:09:20:16	00:09:21:13	>> I thought that was, that
00:09:21:13	00:09:23:02	they used the resources well.
00:09:23:02	00:09:24:20	>> We looked at this map
00:09:24:20	00:09:26:27	and saw that most of the schools
00:09:26:27	00:09:28:13	that have Indians as mascots
00:09:28:13	00:09:29:29	are in southern
00:09:29:29	00:09:32:06	and eastern Wisconsin,
00:09:32:06	00:09:34:10	whereas all the tribes and that
00:09:34:10	00:09:35:22	kind of thing, the reservations,
00:09:35:22	00:09:38:08	are in northern.
00:09:38:08	00:09:39:22	So, we weren't sure
00:09:39:22	00:09:40:28	what that meant at first.
00:09:40:28	00:09:42:14	But we came to the conclusion
00:09:42:14	00:09:43:24	that the people that don't know
00:09:43:24	00:09:46:02	as much may not be as careful
00:09:46:02	00:09:47:20	to how they use it,
00:09:47:20	00:09:49:15	how that may affect people.
00:09:49:15	00:09:50:17	>> I think it'd be
00:09:50:17	00:09:52:13	more respectful.
00:09:52:13	00:09:54:20	Like, we're using it.
00:09:54:20	00:09:55:27	>> Showing respect.
00:09:55:27	00:09:57:10	>> Like in here,
00:09:57:10	00:09:58:27	they're saying how like,
00:09:58:27	00:10:00:12	they got the information wrong.
00:10:00:12	00:10:01:17	And they're saying that this
00:10:01:17	00:10:03:02	one mascot was this chief, but
00:10:03:02	00:10:05:10	in reality, he wasn't actually.
00:10:05:10	00:10:06:23	>> It does impact your children.
00:10:06:23	00:10:07:26	That's what this American
00:10:07:26	00:10:09:11	Psychological Association found.
00:10:09:11	00:10:11:14	I'm saying that because they're
00:10:11:14	00:10:14:02	using Indians as mascots,
00:10:14:02	00:10:16:06	the only reason people
00:10:16:06	00:10:17:12	are getting upset
00:10:17:12	00:10:18:11	is because of the past history
00:10:18:11	00:10:20:21	that America has had with them.
00:10:20:21	00:10:21:26	>> I have a video.
00:10:21:26	00:10:23:17	It's about ten minutes long.
00:10:23:17	00:10:24:29	It's going to talk
00:10:24:29	00:10:26:02	about this issue.
00:10:26:02	00:10:27:04	And what this issue does,
00:10:27:04	00:10:28:11	is it brings it now,
00:10:28:11	00:10:29:21	down to Wisconsin's level,
00:10:29:21	00:10:31:09	at our state level.
00:10:31:09	00:10:32:20	So, you're going to meet some
00:10:32:20	00:10:35:02	kids from Prescott, Wisconsin.
00:10:35:02	00:10:36:11	They do not have an Indian
00:10:36:11	00:10:37:24	mascot, but a number of schools
00:10:37:24	00:10:39:12	in their conference do.
00:10:39:12	00:10:41:00	They are looking more broadly.
00:10:41:00	00:10:42:07	Now, we're kind of narrowing
00:10:42:07	00:10:43:17	the issue a little bit,
00:10:43:17	00:10:44:27	and they can see kids their age
00:10:44:27	00:10:46:03	and what they felt
00:10:46:03	00:10:47:28	about the issue.
00:10:49:21	00:10:50:27	>> Being non-Indian people,
00:10:50:27	00:10:51:26	there's a lot of people
00:10:51:26	00:10:52:22	who would say,
00:10:52:22	00:10:54:09	"Why do you care?"
00:10:54:09	00:10:55:10	Why should you care
00:10:55:10	00:10:57:04	about an issue like this?
00:10:57:04	00:10:58:08	>> We had to write an essay
00:10:58:08	00:10:59:14	on our opinion, about do you
00:10:59:14	00:11:00:21	think Native American mascots
00:11:00:21	00:11:02:12	are offensive.
00:11:02:12	00:11:03:14	>> It hurts the self-esteem
00:11:03:14	00:11:04:24	of Native Americans.
00:11:04:24	00:11:06:08	>> It hits close to home,
00:11:06:08	00:11:07:23	because we have a bunch
00:11:07:23	00:11:08:29	of schools in our area
00:11:08:29	00:11:10:23	that do have Indian mascots.
00:11:10:23	00:11:12:13	I know Native Americans,
00:11:12:13	00:11:13:20	hearing them say,
00:11:13:20	00:11:16:02	"That's very offensive to me,"
00:11:16:02	00:11:19:24	made way more of an impact.
00:11:19:24	00:11:20:29	>> How many of you,
00:11:20:29	00:11:22:05	raise your hand, if you have an
00:11:22:05	00:11:24:04	opinion on this issue right now?
00:11:24:04	00:11:25:22	Okay.
00:11:25:22	00:11:27:20	How many of you are still
00:11:27:20	00:11:31:01	forming your opinion right now?
00:11:31:01	00:11:32:09	Okay, all right.
00:11:32:09	00:11:33:16	This is kind of interesting.
00:11:33:16	00:11:35:10	So, I'm going to open it up now,
00:11:35:10	00:11:36:21	and let's address our question.
00:11:36:21	00:11:39:02	And our question is,
00:11:39:02	00:11:41:03	should Wisconsin ban the use
00:11:41:03	00:11:43:18	of American Indian mascot logos
00:11:43:18	00:11:46:13	in their public schools?
00:11:46:13	00:11:47:20	In the discussion that we had
00:11:47:20	00:11:50:04	today, it started a little slow.
00:11:50:04	00:11:52:08	And so, just allowing students,
00:11:52:08	00:11:54:07	kind of that space,
00:11:54:07	00:11:55:25	to kind of think about it.
00:11:55:25	00:11:57:15	>> I think because
00:11:57:15	00:11:59:13	it'll affect a lot of people,
00:11:59:13	00:12:01:18	I think it should be voted on
00:12:01:18	00:12:03:01	by the people, instead of
00:12:03:01	00:12:05:16	the elected, the committee.
00:12:05:16	00:12:06:24	>> What do you mean?
00:12:06:24	00:12:08:04	>> It should be on the ballot.
00:12:08:04	00:12:09:04	>> Oh, so you think this should
00:12:09:04	00:12:10:10	be a referendum question
00:12:10:10	00:12:11:27	for everyone to weigh in on.
00:12:11:27	00:12:13:02	>> Yeah.
00:12:13:02	00:12:14:06	>> I think you need to
00:12:14:06	00:12:15:05	look at how the mascot
00:12:15:05	00:12:16:15	is being depicted, like,
00:12:16:15	00:12:18:24	Cleveland's baseball mascot,
00:12:18:24	00:12:20:24	I mean, that's pretty bad.
00:12:20:24	00:12:22:16	But otherwise, there are some
00:12:22:16	00:12:24:11	that it's just an arrow
00:12:24:11	00:12:25:25	with a feather.
00:12:25:25	00:12:27:14	>> But it does show honor, that
00:12:27:14	00:12:29:23	they chose Native Americans,
00:12:29:23	00:12:31:15	you know, to be their mascot.
00:12:31:15	00:12:33:00	But what the dishonor is,
00:12:33:00	00:12:34:21	is how they portray them,
00:12:34:21	00:12:35:26	like with the dances
00:12:35:26	00:12:37:09	and the tomahawk chop,
00:12:37:09	00:12:39:14	and stuff like that.
00:12:39:14	00:12:41:06	Like, with the dances
00:12:41:06	00:12:42:18	and the war cries, too.
00:12:42:18	00:12:43:19	Native Americans,
00:12:43:19	00:12:44:23	when they do those things,
00:12:44:23	00:12:45:26	it means something.
00:12:45:26	00:12:47:26	And for them, it's just like,
00:12:47:26	00:12:49:00	just doing it.
00:12:49:00	00:12:50:03	They don't know
00:12:50:03	00:12:51:16	what they're doing.
00:12:51:16	00:12:53:06	>> If people, if they're not
00:12:53:06	00:12:54:13	okay with all the dancing,
00:12:54:13	00:12:55:12	and stuff, then they
00:12:55:12	00:12:56:12	probably shouldn't be using
00:12:56:12	00:12:57:16	their mascots.
00:12:57:16	00:12:58:15	Because the purpose
00:12:58:15	00:13:00:14	that we have them for
00:13:00:14	00:13:01:16	is to get everybody going.
00:13:01:16	00:13:02:17	So, I don't know if it's
00:13:02:17	00:13:03:20	necessarily that we're being
00:13:03:20	00:13:04:25	disrespectful to their culture,
00:13:04:25	00:13:06:22	or if we're just doing what
00:13:06:22	00:13:08:11	the whole purpose, in our minds,
00:13:08:11	00:13:10:05	of what a mascot is.
00:13:10:05	00:13:11:12	>> Okay, so what I'm hearing
00:13:11:12	00:13:12:22	you say, Sarah, is that
00:13:12:22	00:13:13:24	you're having trouble,
00:13:13:24	00:13:15:01	where do you draw the line.
00:13:15:01	00:13:16:00	>> Yeah.
00:13:16:00	00:13:17:00	>> It's hard to draw that line
00:13:17:00	00:13:18:01	a little bit.
00:13:18:01	00:13:19:10	Interesting.
00:13:19:10	00:13:21:08	>> I think we should ask,
00:13:21:08	00:13:22:29	like in that article,
00:13:22:29	00:13:24:15	the actual Native Americans,
00:13:24:15	00:13:25:22	and see what they think.
00:13:25:22	00:13:27:02	And if they don't mind it,
00:13:27:02	00:13:28:13	it shouldn't be changed
00:13:28:13	00:13:29:21	because it's not offending
00:13:29:21	00:13:31:07	many people at all.
00:13:31:07	00:13:32:11	>> There's always going to be
00:13:32:11	00:13:33:13	people that don't agree,
00:13:33:13	00:13:34:11	so you might as well
00:13:34:11	00:13:36:02	just kind of play it safe.
00:13:36:02	00:13:37:04	>> But if we do what Morgan
00:13:37:04	00:13:38:06	says, then we're going to have
00:13:38:06	00:13:39:22	to try and please everyone.
00:13:39:22	00:13:41:23	And like, you can't do that,
00:13:41:23	00:13:42:26	because someone is always going
00:13:42:26	00:13:44:19	to be offended by something,
00:13:44:19	00:13:46:21	or not like something else.
00:13:46:21	00:13:48:14	>> All right, thank you guys.
00:13:48:14	00:13:49:15	You can leave the desks
00:13:49:15	00:13:50:16	how they are.
00:13:50:16	00:13:51:24	I'll fix them.
00:13:51:24	00:13:53:07	Over all, I was pleased with how
00:13:53:07	00:13:54:27	they engaged with the materials,
00:13:54:27	00:13:56:06	how they talked to one another,
00:13:56:06	00:13:57:20	and I thought
00:13:57:20	00:13:59:13	they did pretty well.
00:14:08:03	00:14:09:19	>> For more information,
00:14:09:19	00:14:11:05	visit us on the Web at:
00:14:11:05	00:14:15:13	ecb.org/engage