00:00:00:00	00:00:01:19	>> We all think we know
00:00:01:19	00:00:03:06	what government is.
00:00:03:06	00:00:04:07	>> How it works
00:00:04:07	00:00:05:19	and what it does.
00:00:05:19	00:00:07:14	>> But what is it really?
00:00:07:14	00:00:08:21	What do we mean
00:00:08:21	00:00:09:27	by "government"?
00:00:09:27	00:00:11:21	>> Is it this?
00:00:11:21	00:00:13:04	>> Or this?
00:00:13:04	00:00:14:01	>> Are these people
00:00:14:01	00:00:15:09	the government?
00:00:15:09	00:00:16:20	>> Are you?
00:00:16:20	00:00:17:16	>> These are just some
00:00:17:16	00:00:18:18	of the questions we'll try
00:00:18:18	00:00:19:26	to answer for you today.
00:00:19:26	00:00:22:05	>> On Engage.
00:00:29:16	00:00:30:26	>> Hi, I'm Zach.
00:00:30:26	00:00:32:05	>> And my name's Paloma.
00:00:32:05	00:00:33:04	People go fishing,
00:00:33:04	00:00:34:07	not only for what they catch,
00:00:34:07	00:00:35:15	but also just to relax.
00:00:35:15	00:00:36:16	>> Yeah, and everybody likes
00:00:36:16	00:00:37:22	a good fish story.
00:00:37:22	00:00:38:24	But what happens when you're not
00:00:38:24	00:00:39:29	allowed to fish, even if it's
00:00:39:29	00:00:42:02	just to feed your own family?
00:00:42:02	00:00:43:01	>> Many years ago,
00:00:43:01	00:00:44:05	the US government signed
00:00:44:05	00:00:45:08	treaties with the Wisconsin
00:00:45:08	00:00:46:23	Ojibwe tribes, which guaranteed
00:00:46:23	00:00:48:04	their rights to hunt, fish
00:00:48:04	00:00:49:07	and gather on the lands
00:00:49:07	00:00:50:18	that they sold.
00:00:50:18	00:00:51:19	>> As time went by, the state
00:00:51:19	00:00:53:07	government ignored these rights,
00:00:53:07	00:00:54:12	and tribal members were fined or
00:00:54:12	00:00:55:23	arrested for simply doing what
00:00:55:23	00:00:57:20	these treaties had guaranteed.
00:00:57:20	00:00:58:16	>> Then, two brothers
00:00:58:16	00:00:59:14	did some research
00:00:59:14	00:01:00:28	and decided enough was enough.
00:01:00:28	00:01:02:05	They went fishing and ended up
00:01:02:05	00:01:04:18	with a very big catch.
00:01:07:29	00:01:10:03	>> The lifestyle at the time
00:01:10:03	00:01:11:24	was a hunter gatherer lifestyle.
00:01:11:24	00:01:13:21	And the hunter gatherer
00:01:13:21	00:01:15:28	lifestyle could not be sustained
00:01:15:28	00:01:17:21	within just the reservation
00:01:17:21	00:01:19:18	boundaries themselves.
00:01:19:18	00:01:20:25	The Chippewas knew this.
00:01:20:25	00:01:22:15	And as a part of the negotiation
00:01:22:15	00:01:25:00	of the treaty, they reserved
00:01:25:00	00:01:27:02	the right to continue hunting,
00:01:27:02	00:01:28:14	fishing and gathering
00:01:28:14	00:01:29:24	in the broader territory,
00:01:29:24	00:01:31:25	or in the ceded territory.
00:01:31:25	00:01:34:13	They were rights that existed in
00:01:34:13	00:01:37:07	their ownership of that property
00:01:37:07	00:01:38:11	before they sold it
00:01:38:11	00:01:39:24	to the United States.
00:01:39:24	00:01:41:01	And when they sold it,
00:01:41:01	00:01:42:11	or ceded those lands
00:01:42:11	00:01:43:25	to the United States,
00:01:43:25	00:01:45:26	they reserved to themselves that
00:01:45:26	00:01:48:11	piece of the property right,
00:01:48:11	00:01:50:04	to continue to hunt, fish
00:01:50:04	00:01:52:09	and gather on those lands.
00:01:52:09	00:01:54:09	>> That, not only was necessary
00:01:54:09	00:01:56:02	for day to day survival
00:01:56:02	00:01:57:21	when the treaties were signed,
00:01:57:21	00:01:59:10	but over time,
00:01:59:10	00:02:00:22	as Indian reservations
00:02:00:22	00:02:02:07	generally are enforced
00:02:02:07	00:02:03:19	in parts of the state, it was
00:02:03:19	00:02:05:09	needed in order to continue
00:02:05:09	00:02:07:19	to have people survive.
00:02:07:19	00:02:09:26	And I mean literally survive.
00:02:09:26	00:02:11:21	>> For many of the people, it
00:02:11:21	00:02:13:14	isn't about hunting or fishing
00:02:13:14	00:02:16:05	for sport, it's actually hunting
00:02:16:05	00:02:18:22	and fishing for subsistence.
00:02:18:22	00:02:20:03	>> We don't hunt
00:02:20:03	00:02:21:20	for the purpose of just hunting.
00:02:21:20	00:02:24:05	We hunt because we were taught
00:02:24:05	00:02:26:18	to go out and get food
00:02:26:18	00:02:27:22	and bring it home
00:02:27:22	00:02:32:23	and put it on the table.
00:02:32:23	00:02:34:13	>> So, the states are Wisconsin,
00:02:34:13	00:02:36:15	Michigan and Minnesota.
00:02:36:15	00:02:37:17	That's related
00:02:37:17	00:02:39:04	to conservation departments
00:02:39:04	00:02:41:14	that we know as the DNR today.
00:02:41:14	00:02:42:24	They more or less assumed
00:02:42:24	00:02:45:07	that the states had primary
00:02:45:07	00:02:47:10	jurisdiction there.
00:02:47:10	00:02:48:17	>> And just decided
00:02:48:17	00:02:50:26	that they were going to go ahead
00:02:50:26	00:02:52:17	and illegally enforce state laws
00:02:52:17	00:02:55:09	against tribal members.
00:02:55:09	00:02:56:17	That did last for probably
00:02:56:17	00:02:58:29	50 to 75 years.
00:02:58:29	00:03:00:09	That didn't stop individual
00:03:00:09	00:03:01:11	Indian people
00:03:01:11	00:03:04:02	from exercising their rights.
00:03:04:02	00:03:05:29	They just developed ways and
00:03:05:29	00:03:08:14	means by which to avoid capture,
00:03:08:14	00:03:10:11	I guess, or avoid citation
00:03:10:11	00:03:12:00	by the state.
00:03:12:00	00:03:13:09	>> We didn't have lawyers.
00:03:13:09	00:03:14:11	We didn't have money
00:03:14:11	00:03:15:13	for lawyers.
00:03:15:13	00:03:16:28	We didn't have the resources
00:03:16:28	00:03:19:04	to fight things.
00:03:19:04	00:03:20:05	>> My grandma used to get mad
00:03:20:05	00:03:21:11	at them, because one time
00:03:21:11	00:03:22:18	they came into her house and
00:03:22:18	00:03:24:10	they opened up her refrigerator
00:03:24:10	00:03:25:27	and they took all the deer meat
00:03:25:27	00:03:27:21	out of her refrigerator.
00:03:27:21	00:03:29:18	They arrested my dad.
00:03:29:18	00:03:30:24	>> Many tribal members were
00:03:30:24	00:03:34:09	jailed, arrested repeatedly.
00:03:34:09	00:03:36:04	Tribal members were shot.
00:03:36:04	00:03:38:01	Joe White, a tribal member,
00:03:38:01	00:03:40:07	was killed by a game warden.
00:03:40:07	00:03:41:19	The game warden was acquitted
00:03:41:19	00:03:44:10	in Rice Lake in court there.
00:03:44:10	00:03:45:24	But we always maintained
00:03:45:24	00:03:47:07	and knew that we had reserved
00:03:47:07	00:03:48:11	treaty rights.
00:03:48:11	00:03:49:14	The elders have always
00:03:49:14	00:03:50:13	passed that on.
00:03:50:13	00:03:51:16	My grandma always told me that,
00:03:51:16	00:03:53:29	as well.
00:03:53:29	00:03:55:07	>> The Tribble brothers,
00:03:55:07	00:03:56:21	I think, are a good example of
00:03:56:21	00:03:58:28	those folks in the '60s and '70s
00:03:58:28	00:04:01:12	who decided that, you know,
00:04:01:12	00:04:03:17	now is the time
00:04:03:17	00:04:06:12	to present a legal challenge.
00:04:06:12	00:04:10:11	>> We were young guys then.
00:04:10:11	00:04:12:03	We had a tribal member named
00:04:12:03	00:04:13:26	John Anderson, who was
00:04:13:26	00:04:15:09	pushing for higher education
00:04:15:09	00:04:16:25	for Native Americans.
00:04:16:25	00:04:18:23	He recruited us to go to school.
00:04:18:23	00:04:19:28	I picked a college
00:04:19:28	00:04:21:27	in Duluth, Minnesota.
00:04:21:27	00:04:23:04	He introduced
00:04:23:04	00:04:25:25	an Indian Law course.
00:04:25:25	00:04:27:17	And that Indian Law course, the
00:04:27:17	00:04:30:16	instructor was Larry Levinthal,
00:04:30:16	00:04:32:15	an attorney out of Minneapolis.
00:04:32:15	00:04:33:14	>> He looked around
00:04:33:14	00:04:34:19	the audience,
00:04:34:19	00:04:36:00	as Larry tells the story, and
00:04:36:00	00:04:37:08	he said, "How many of you here
00:04:37:08	00:04:39:25	are Wisconsin Ojibwe?"
00:04:39:25	00:04:41:10	And a few raised their hands.
00:04:41:10	00:04:43:28	He said, "Gee, it's a shame..."
00:04:43:28	00:04:46:06	You know, that the Wisconsin
00:04:46:06	00:04:49:01	Chippewa tribes haven't taken
00:04:49:01	00:04:52:08	a stand on this reserved rights
00:04:52:08	00:04:55:11	Article in the Treaty of 1937.
00:04:55:11	00:04:57:25	>> That said they retained
00:04:57:25	00:04:59:02	the right to hunt, fish
00:04:59:02	00:05:03:07	and gather on ceded territories.
00:05:03:07	00:05:04:18	>> We drove back and forth.
00:05:04:18	00:05:05:28	We would talk about this.
00:05:05:28	00:05:07:16	We'd say, how come we have to
00:05:07:16	00:05:08:24	just hunt on reservations?
00:05:08:24	00:05:10:26	Why is it that we can't go off?
00:05:10:26	00:05:12:02	And here, the treaty rights
00:05:12:02	00:05:13:15	give us the right to go off.
00:05:13:15	00:05:14:16	One day after class,
00:05:14:16	00:05:15:20	we caught him in the hallway,
00:05:15:20	00:05:17:02	Larry Levinthal.
00:05:17:02	00:05:18:19	We said, "Hey, Larry, is this
00:05:18:19	00:05:20:12	what we think this means?
00:05:20:12	00:05:21:16	We can go off the reservation
00:05:21:16	00:05:23:02	to hunt, fish and trap?"
00:05:23:02	00:05:24:09	And he said, "Yeah."
00:05:24:09	00:05:25:29	"But we can't."
00:05:25:29	00:05:27:17	"What are we going to do?"
00:05:27:17	00:05:28:23	He said, "Well, you have to have
00:05:28:23	00:05:29:28	a test case."
00:05:29:28	00:05:31:18	"Oh, yeah?
00:05:31:18	00:05:33:02	What's a test case?
00:05:33:02	00:05:34:19	What do we have to do?"
00:05:34:19	00:05:35:24	He said, "Well, you have to
00:05:35:24	00:05:37:20	go out and get arrested."
00:05:37:20	00:05:38:21	So then, we said, "Well,
00:05:38:21	00:05:39:23	we're going to do the test case.
00:05:39:23	00:05:40:28	We're going to do it."
00:05:40:28	00:05:42:08	Mike and I planned to go out.
00:05:42:08	00:05:44:08	It was in the spring of 1974.
00:05:44:08	00:05:45:14	We were going to go out and,
00:05:45:14	00:05:47:27	you know, get arrested.
00:05:47:27	00:05:49:03	>> We got arrested
00:05:49:03	00:05:50:20	on Chief Lake.
00:05:50:20	00:05:51:25	And on Chief Lake, there's an
00:05:51:25	00:05:53:05	imaginary line that goes
00:05:53:05	00:05:54:06	down the middle of the lake.
00:05:54:06	00:05:55:25	One side is the reservation.
00:05:55:25	00:05:58:07	The other side is off the res.
00:05:58:07	00:05:59:25	>> Every day, when we fished,
00:05:59:25	00:06:01:16	an airplane flew over.
00:06:01:16	00:06:02:26	And we knew that was the state
00:06:02:26	00:06:04:03	game wardens flying over to
00:06:04:03	00:06:05:11	make sure all the fish shacks
00:06:05:11	00:06:06:14	were inside the boundaries of
00:06:06:14	00:06:09:03	the reservation on Chief Lake.
00:06:09:03	00:06:10:09	So I told Mike, I said, "Well,
00:06:10:09	00:06:12:10	we'll wait till they fly over
00:06:12:10	00:06:14:04	and we'll move a fish shack
00:06:14:04	00:06:17:06	over to off the reservation."
00:06:17:06	00:06:19:05	So, the next morning, after we
00:06:19:05	00:06:20:19	moved the fish shack over there,
00:06:20:19	00:06:21:23	we got up real early
00:06:21:23	00:06:23:19	and got out there at dawn.
00:06:23:19	00:06:25:03	Before we could do anything,
00:06:25:03	00:06:27:24	here comes the game wardens
00:06:27:24	00:06:30:07	across the ice.
00:06:30:07	00:06:31:06	I had a copy of the treaty
00:06:31:06	00:06:32:17	rights in my back pocket.
00:06:32:17	00:06:33:22	I took it out and I showed it
00:06:33:22	00:06:34:28	to him.
00:06:34:28	00:06:36:06	I said, "We're not illegal here.
00:06:36:06	00:06:37:07	We're exercising
00:06:37:07	00:06:38:25	our treaty rights."
00:06:38:25	00:06:40:07	Well, that didn't matter.
00:06:40:07	00:06:42:14	They still gave us a citation.
00:06:42:14	00:06:43:18	So, we went to court,
00:06:43:18	00:06:44:21	got found guilty.
00:06:44:21	00:06:46:10	We were fined.
00:06:46:10	00:06:47:22	The fine was stayed,
00:06:47:22	00:06:50:07	pending appeal.
00:06:53:01	00:06:54:25	>> They brought their case up
00:06:54:25	00:06:56:13	through all the different levels
00:06:56:13	00:06:57:18	of the court, and all the other
00:06:57:18	00:06:59:08	Wisconsin Chippewa Bands
00:06:59:08	00:07:01:14	joined in.
00:07:01:14	00:07:03:04	>> The District Court originally
00:07:03:04	00:07:04:29	said the rights do not exist.
00:07:04:29	00:07:06:23	The Appeals Court came back
00:07:06:23	00:07:08:17	in January, 1983, and said that
00:07:08:17	00:07:10:19	the District Court was wrong.
00:07:10:19	00:07:11:22	They do exist.
00:07:11:22	00:07:12:29	We affirm the existence
00:07:12:29	00:07:14:05	of the rights.
00:07:14:05	00:07:15:22	>> The state of Wisconsin sought
00:07:15:22	00:07:18:19	review in the US Supreme Court.
00:07:18:19	00:07:19:17	The Supreme Court
00:07:19:17	00:07:20:23	refused to hear it.
00:07:20:23	00:07:22:00	When they declined,
00:07:22:00	00:07:23:14	the appellant decision stays
00:07:23:14	00:07:24:21	in effect.
00:07:24:21	00:07:25:27	And the one here
00:07:25:27	00:07:27:07	is the 7th Circuit saying
00:07:27:07	00:07:29:15	this right still exists.
00:07:29:15	00:07:30:16	>> When I received
00:07:30:16	00:07:31:25	the phone call, I received
00:07:31:25	00:07:33:00	the first phone call from
00:07:33:00	00:07:34:11	the Attorney General's office.
00:07:34:11	00:07:35:23	It was a shock.
00:07:35:23	00:07:37:01	>> None of the other Wisconsin
00:07:37:01	00:07:38:03	tribes were paying attention
00:07:38:03	00:07:39:01	to it.
00:07:39:01	00:07:40:04	You know, maybe something good
00:07:40:04	00:07:41:18	will come of it, maybe not.
00:07:41:18	00:07:43:02	>> So, it was a surprise
00:07:43:02	00:07:44:11	to the agency.
00:07:44:11	00:07:45:15	It was going to have
00:07:45:15	00:07:46:22	a tremendous impact
00:07:46:22	00:07:47:25	on operations, and
00:07:47:25	00:07:50:20	potentially natural resources.
00:07:53:03	00:07:54:06	>> So it was like, okay,
00:07:54:06	00:07:56:10	now that we've won the case,
00:07:56:10	00:07:58:09	that these rights are reaffirmed
00:07:58:09	00:08:00:07	and they do exist,
00:08:00:07	00:08:02:04	what do we do next?
00:08:02:04	00:08:04:25	>> I recall the tribal leaders
00:08:04:25	00:08:08:05	scrambling to study the treaty,
00:08:08:05	00:08:12:00	and to sit with the attorneys,
00:08:12:00	00:08:13:21	and understand what the
00:08:13:21	00:08:15:25	full impact of this might be.
00:08:15:25	00:08:17:14	>> And so, the Appeals Court
00:08:17:14	00:08:19:00	sent it back down to the
00:08:19:00	00:08:20:11	District Court and said, figure
00:08:20:11	00:08:22:00	out the scope of the right,
00:08:22:00	00:08:23:08	and figure out who regulates
00:08:23:08	00:08:24:15	the right.
00:08:24:15	00:08:26:05	>> We didn't know, at that time,
00:08:26:05	00:08:27:24	if Judge Doyle would be
00:08:27:24	00:08:29:12	favorable to us, or if this
00:08:29:12	00:08:31:09	would be a difficult process.
00:08:31:09	00:08:32:18	Clearly, it involved
00:08:32:18	00:08:35:01	a step-by-step negotiation.
00:08:35:01	00:08:36:10	>> One of the challenges that
00:08:36:10	00:08:37:22	tribal leadership identified
00:08:37:22	00:08:39:00	to me was that, you know,
00:08:39:00	00:08:40:11	how are we going to work with
00:08:40:11	00:08:41:15	the state when we don't have
00:08:41:15	00:08:43:05	any relationship with them.
00:08:43:05	00:08:44:18	>> The Secretary at the time
00:08:44:18	00:08:45:26	asked me to take the lead
00:08:45:26	00:08:48:08	in the tribal negotiations.
00:08:48:08	00:08:50:12	>> I recall that in those times,
00:08:50:12	00:08:51:20	our tribal leaders
00:08:51:20	00:08:53:14	were angry with the DNR.
00:08:53:14	00:08:54:25	And the DNR
00:08:54:25	00:08:56:27	was clearly our enemy.
00:08:56:27	00:08:58:05	>> There were a lot of details
00:08:58:05	00:08:59:05	that needed to be fleshed out.
00:08:59:05	00:09:00:20	What were the rights?
00:09:00:20	00:09:01:27	How would they be exercised
00:09:01:27	00:09:03:18	and regulated?
00:09:03:18	00:09:05:02	In the meantime,
00:09:05:02	00:09:06:07	the tribes had the right
00:09:06:07	00:09:08:15	to implement those rights.
00:09:10:03	00:09:11:26	>> I come from --, which is
00:09:11:26	00:09:13:07	known in our language
00:09:13:07	00:09:15:18	as Lac du Flambeau.
00:09:15:18	00:09:16:25	They mean the same.
00:09:16:25	00:09:18:26	They mean the Lake of Torches.
00:09:18:26	00:09:20:07	I believe, back in the
00:09:20:07	00:09:21:26	16th century, when the French
00:09:21:26	00:09:24:08	Fur Traders came and they seen
00:09:24:08	00:09:27:10	my people, the Ojibwe people,
00:09:27:10	00:09:29:01	out there spearing
00:09:29:01	00:09:31:10	by torch light.
00:09:31:10	00:09:33:12	When treaty rights came about,
00:09:33:12	00:09:34:19	we were very aggressive
00:09:34:19	00:09:37:01	fishermen.
00:09:37:01	00:09:38:18	And Lac du Flambeau got a lot
00:09:38:18	00:09:40:23	of fish during that time.
00:09:40:23	00:09:42:00	And it really ticked a lot
00:09:42:00	00:09:43:21	of people off.
00:09:43:21	00:09:44:28	(whistles blaring)
00:09:44:28	00:09:46:25	(indistinct yelling)
00:09:46:25	00:09:48:08	>> What happened on the landings
00:09:48:08	00:09:49:23	is that individuals decided
00:09:49:23	00:09:51:05	that this could not
00:09:51:05	00:09:52:25	possibly be correct.
00:09:52:25	00:09:55:05	Indians needed to be stopped
00:09:55:05	00:09:56:28	from harvesting fish,
00:09:56:28	00:09:58:10	particularly walleye,
00:09:58:10	00:10:01:03	particularly with spears.
00:10:01:03	00:10:02:22	>> As American citizens, we
00:10:02:22	00:10:04:19	were brought up with the idea
00:10:04:19	00:10:05:24	that everyone is equal
00:10:05:24	00:10:07:16	under the law.
00:10:07:16	00:10:10:04	And we had the job of educating
00:10:10:04	00:10:12:09	people about the fact that there
00:10:12:09	00:10:14:03	are other sovereign nations that
00:10:14:03	00:10:15:22	live amongst us, who in fact,
00:10:15:22	00:10:18:02	own this whole country we have,
00:10:18:02	00:10:20:01	and retain that sovereignty.
00:10:20:01	00:10:21:20	So there was a separate set
00:10:21:20	00:10:23:12	of laws.
00:10:23:12	00:10:24:20	And that was protected
00:10:24:20	00:10:25:26	by the federal law
00:10:25:26	00:10:28:21	and the US Constitution.
00:10:28:21	00:10:31:03	>> The people who were involved
00:10:31:03	00:10:32:22	representing the state
00:10:32:22	00:10:33:29	and representing the tribes
00:10:33:29	00:10:36:10	sort of decided to put the
00:10:36:10	00:10:38:07	images that were being displayed
00:10:38:07	00:10:40:12	every spring out of their mind
00:10:40:12	00:10:42:09	and just follow through on
00:10:42:09	00:10:44:21	the task they had before them,
00:10:44:21	00:10:46:09	which is, how do we decide,
00:10:46:09	00:10:47:29	you know, what these harvests
00:10:47:29	00:10:49:11	are going to be.
00:10:49:11	00:10:51:17	They were able to overcome,
00:10:51:17	00:10:53:06	because they were both in this
00:10:53:06	00:10:55:07	sort of baptism of fire, in the
00:10:55:07	00:10:57:24	creation of this relationship
00:10:57:24	00:11:01:02	that they didn't have before.
00:11:01:02	00:11:02:20	>> In 1990, a federal judge
00:11:02:20	00:11:04:06	ruled that the tribes and
00:11:04:06	00:11:05:25	non-Indians would equally share
00:11:05:25	00:11:07:25	the harvest of resources,
00:11:07:25	00:11:09:09	which eased some of the tensions
00:11:09:09	00:11:12:00	in the north woods.
00:11:12:00	00:11:13:17	The next year, a study called
00:11:13:17	00:11:15:13	Casting Light Upon the Waters
00:11:15:13	00:11:17:01	revealed that Ojibwe
00:11:17:01	00:11:18:12	spear fishing did not harm
00:11:18:12	00:11:20:17	the resource, and that fish
00:11:20:17	00:11:23:08	populations remained healthy.
00:11:23:08	00:11:24:24	To monitor and protect
00:11:24:24	00:11:26:12	the health of fish, and other
00:11:26:12	00:11:28:14	resources, the Ojibwe tribes
00:11:28:14	00:11:30:03	banded together to form
00:11:30:03	00:11:32:01	the Great Lakes Indian Fish
00:11:32:01	00:11:34:10	and Wildlife Commission.
00:11:34:10	00:11:36:06	>> It actually operates
00:11:36:06	00:11:37:11	as the tribes' sort of DNR.
00:11:37:11	00:11:40:29	That's how it came to be.
00:11:40:29	00:11:42:19	We started out with just your
00:11:42:19	00:11:44:03	fish biologists, your wildlife
00:11:44:03	00:11:46:23	biologists and enforcement.
00:11:46:23	00:11:48:15	We had wardens here and there.
00:11:48:15	00:11:50:19	Bare bones budget.
00:11:50:19	00:11:52:12	But now, after all these years,
00:11:52:12	00:11:54:14	we have sound science.
00:11:54:14	00:11:56:28	We count and measure,
00:11:56:28	00:11:58:14	and sex and age,
00:11:58:14	00:12:00:22	all the fish that we catch.
00:12:00:22	00:12:02:11	We have absolute numbers
00:12:02:11	00:12:03:17	and the best science
00:12:03:17	00:12:05:16	of any resource you can have.
00:12:05:16	00:12:07:11	>> The disturbances
00:12:07:11	00:12:08:24	of northern Wisconsin
00:12:08:24	00:12:11:20	are long gone and forgotten.
00:12:11:20	00:12:12:28	That's good for the state
00:12:12:28	00:12:14:19	of Wisconsin.
00:12:14:19	00:12:16:04	>> So, things today with the DNR
00:12:16:04	00:12:17:13	are a lot different
00:12:17:13	00:12:19:20	than they were back then.
00:12:19:20	00:12:20:29	The bottom line is,
00:12:20:29	00:12:23:02	we're here for the resource.
00:12:23:02	00:12:25:12	And once we figured that out,
00:12:25:12	00:12:28:02	and partnered up, instead of
00:12:28:02	00:12:29:25	spending money on lawyers,
00:12:29:25	00:12:30:27	you're putting it
00:12:30:27	00:12:33:07	into the resource.
00:12:39:21	00:12:40:23	>> For more information,
00:12:40:23	00:12:42:04	visit us on the Web at:
00:12:42:04	00:12:45:27	ecb.org/engage