00:00:00:00	00:00:01:03	>> We all think we know
00:00:01:03	00:00:02:18	what government is.
00:00:02:18	00:00:03:20	>> How it works
00:00:03:20	00:00:04:26	and what it does.
00:00:04:26	00:00:06:06	>> But what is it really?
00:00:06:06	00:00:07:09	What do we mean
00:00:07:09	00:00:08:24	by "government"?
00:00:08:24	00:00:10:20	>> Is it this?
00:00:10:20	00:00:12:06	>> Or this?
00:00:12:06	00:00:13:07	>> Are these people
00:00:13:07	00:00:14:13	the government?
00:00:14:13	00:00:15:21	>> Are you?
00:00:15:21	00:00:16:20	>> These are just some
00:00:16:20	00:00:17:26	of the questions we'll try
00:00:17:26	00:00:19:07	to answer for you today.
00:00:19:07	00:00:21:05	>> On Engage.
00:00:26:16	00:00:27:24	>> Hi, I'm Paloma.
00:00:27:24	00:00:28:26	>> And I'm Zach.
00:00:28:26	00:00:29:27	We're here in Madison.
00:00:29:27	00:00:30:27	>> Hey, check this out.
00:00:30:27	00:00:32:11	The biggest building in town.
00:00:32:11	00:00:34:08	Pretty impressive.
00:00:34:08	00:00:35:07	>> If you come to Madison,
00:00:35:07	00:00:36:08	you can't miss it.
00:00:36:08	00:00:37:07	Maybe you came here on a
00:00:37:07	00:00:38:21	class trip back in grade school.
00:00:38:21	00:00:40:07	>> They give free tours of the
00:00:40:07	00:00:42:05	capitol building all the time.
00:00:42:05	00:00:44:14	Look! There's one right now.
00:00:44:14	00:00:45:16	>> The fact is,
00:00:45:16	00:00:47:01	this is our building.
00:00:47:01	00:00:48:13	And all the people who work here
00:00:48:13	00:00:50:02	make up our state government.
00:00:50:02	00:00:51:25	They work for us.
00:00:51:25	00:00:53:16	>> We're their bosses.
00:00:53:16	00:00:54:16	So it makes sense that
00:00:54:16	00:00:55:16	we should have something to say
00:00:55:16	00:00:56:26	about what goes on around here.
00:00:56:26	00:00:58:02	>> It seems far fetched?
00:00:58:02	00:01:00:06	Well, take a look at this map.
00:01:00:06	00:01:01:06	On the far western part
00:01:01:06	00:01:02:09	of Wisconsin, there's a little
00:01:02:09	00:01:03:18	town called Prescott.
00:01:03:18	00:01:05:00	It's only about 4,000 people.
00:01:05:00	00:01:06:00	>> Some kids from
00:01:06:00	00:01:07:00	Prescott High School decided
00:01:07:00	00:01:08:03	that it wasn't far fetched
00:01:08:03	00:01:09:05	to come to Madison
00:01:09:05	00:01:11:05	and have their say.
00:01:13:29	00:01:15:08	>> At Prescott High School, in
00:01:15:08	00:01:16:29	a Native American History class,
00:01:16:29	00:01:18:06	a group of students
00:01:18:06	00:01:19:20	first became aware of the issue
00:01:19:20	00:01:22:19	of Native American mascots.
00:01:26:04	00:01:27:15	Many schools use these images as
00:01:27:15	00:01:29:27	symbols of their sports teams.
00:01:29:27	00:01:31:14	In recent years, some
00:01:31:14	00:01:32:25	communities have decided that
00:01:32:25	00:01:34:14	these images promote a negative
00:01:34:14	00:01:37:15	stereotype of Native Americans.
00:01:37:15	00:01:39:05	>> We did learn about it in our
00:01:39:05	00:01:41:06	Native American History class.
00:01:41:06	00:01:42:12	>> When you think of
00:01:42:12	00:01:43:28	Indian mascots, most imagery,
00:01:43:28	00:01:45:04	almost all imagery connected
00:01:45:04	00:01:46:17	with Indian mascots is based
00:01:46:17	00:01:48:15	on a particular stereotype.
00:01:48:15	00:01:49:28	>> Like the stuff that goes on
00:01:49:28	00:01:51:00	at games, kind of like
00:01:51:00	00:01:52:11	the tomahawk chop and like,
00:01:52:11	00:01:54:27	the songs and other things
00:01:54:27	00:01:56:14	that they sing.
00:01:56:14	00:01:57:17	Even the imagery
00:01:57:17	00:02:00:04	is stereotypical.
00:02:01:29	00:02:03:05	>> Being non-Indian people,
00:02:03:05	00:02:04:05	there's a lot of people
00:02:04:05	00:02:05:02	who would say,
00:02:05:02	00:02:06:03	"Why do you care?"
00:02:06:03	00:02:07:10	Why should you care
00:02:07:10	00:02:09:08	about an issue like this?
00:02:09:08	00:02:10:12	>> We had to write an essay
00:02:10:12	00:02:11:19	on our opinion, about do you
00:02:11:19	00:02:12:25	think Native American mascots
00:02:12:25	00:02:14:15	are offensive.
00:02:14:15	00:02:15:15	>> It hurts the self-esteem
00:02:15:15	00:02:16:28	of Native Americans.
00:02:16:28	00:02:18:07	>> It hits close to home,
00:02:18:07	00:02:19:10	because we have a bunch
00:02:19:10	00:02:20:26	of schools in our area
00:02:20:26	00:02:22:24	that do have Indian mascots.
00:02:22:24	00:02:25:02	I know Native Americans,
00:02:25:02	00:02:26:11	hearing them say,
00:02:26:11	00:02:28:19	"That's very offensive to me,"
00:02:28:19	00:02:31:17	made way more of an impact.
00:02:34:01	00:02:35:03	>> As they became aware
00:02:35:03	00:02:36:18	of the problem, the Prescott
00:02:36:18	00:02:38:13	students did some research
00:02:38:13	00:02:39:27	and found out what an emotional
00:02:39:27	00:02:43:00	and difficult issue it is.
00:02:43:00	00:02:44:06	>> Because people get attached
00:02:44:06	00:02:45:17	to them over, you know,
00:02:45:17	00:02:46:24	however many years.
00:02:46:24	00:02:47:29	They take some sense of pride
00:02:47:29	00:02:49:05	in it, their parents
00:02:49:05	00:02:50:13	going to that school,
00:02:50:13	00:02:52:14	them going to that school.
00:02:52:14	00:02:53:18	>> It's all involved
00:02:53:18	00:02:54:17	in their sports.
00:02:54:17	00:02:55:17	Their sports teams
00:02:55:17	00:02:56:26	made them so proud, that they
00:02:56:26	00:02:58:09	are just connected to them,
00:02:58:09	00:02:59:17	and they identify with it.
00:02:59:17	00:03:01:01	>> If you go to a high school,
00:03:01:01	00:03:02:03	and you have a mascot, and
00:03:02:03	00:03:03:08	you're in sports, you're kind of
00:03:03:08	00:03:04:28	representing that mascot.
00:03:04:28	00:03:06:08	You become, like,
00:03:06:08	00:03:07:25	the Prescott Cardinal.
00:03:07:25	00:03:09:29	>> So much of high school
00:03:09:29	00:03:12:12	is involved with like sports,
00:03:12:12	00:03:14:17	and having school spirit.
00:03:14:17	00:03:15:21	>> People get really into
00:03:15:21	00:03:16:27	sports.
00:03:16:27	00:03:18:04	You are a Chief.
00:03:18:04	00:03:19:17	And you are a Cardinal.
00:03:19:17	00:03:20:25	There's some pride
00:03:20:25	00:03:21:29	along with it.
00:03:21:29	00:03:23:02	>> It's been that way for
00:03:23:02	00:03:24:08	so long, and people, I think,
00:03:24:08	00:03:25:16	when it comes to things
00:03:25:16	00:03:27:04	such as this, they feel like
00:03:27:04	00:03:28:05	it's been that way for so long
00:03:28:05	00:03:29:27	that they're entitled to it.
00:03:29:27	00:03:31:01	>> So I think just to
00:03:31:01	00:03:32:03	all of a sudden change that
00:03:32:03	00:03:35:03	is kind of hard for people.
00:03:35:03	00:03:36:03	>> I think we need to look at
00:03:36:03	00:03:37:18	like, the Native Americans'
00:03:37:18	00:03:38:21	point of view, too, like why
00:03:38:21	00:03:39:24	it's emotional for them.
00:03:39:24	00:03:40:27	It's not just emotional
00:03:40:27	00:03:41:25	for like the people that don't
00:03:41:25	00:03:43:04	want to change the mascot.
00:03:43:04	00:03:44:03	The big issue is,
00:03:44:03	00:03:45:06	why is it so emotional
00:03:45:06	00:03:47:19	for the Native Americans?
00:03:47:19	00:03:49:25	That's what I think it is.
00:03:49:25	00:03:51:09	>> In our conference,
00:03:51:09	00:03:53:00	we have two schools
00:03:53:00	00:03:55:22	that use the Indian as a mascot.
00:03:55:22	00:03:57:12	And so, we decided to organize
00:03:57:12	00:03:59:25	a student demonstration.
00:03:59:25	00:04:01:28	Our teacher had these flyers
00:04:01:28	00:04:03:17	that had a picture of the
00:04:03:17	00:04:05:03	whole Indian in the headdress,
00:04:05:03	00:04:06:16	and it had like a big slash
00:04:06:16	00:04:07:19	through it.
00:04:07:19	00:04:08:18	We had the idea of,
00:04:08:18	00:04:09:27	let's put it on t-shirts.
00:04:09:27	00:04:10:29	The demonstration
00:04:10:29	00:04:11:24	went off without a hitch.
00:04:11:24	00:04:13:03	I mean, there was no problems
00:04:13:03	00:04:14:11	there.
00:04:14:11	00:04:15:10	Of course,
00:04:15:10	00:04:16:14	there was heightened security.
00:04:16:14	00:04:17:15	>> There were some
00:04:17:15	00:04:18:17	police officers there.
00:04:18:17	00:04:19:16	And I remember we
00:04:19:16	00:04:20:16	got pulled out and like,
00:04:20:16	00:04:21:22	interviewed by some people.
00:04:21:22	00:04:22:27	But it went pretty smoothly.
00:04:22:27	00:04:24:00	>> I think it opened people's
00:04:24:00	00:04:25:26	eyes in our community,
00:04:25:26	00:04:27:07	who might not have been aware
00:04:27:07	00:04:29:05	of the issue.
00:04:29:05	00:04:30:09	>> When I started getting
00:04:30:09	00:04:31:23	involved with this, started
00:04:31:23	00:04:33:29	organizing the whole t-shirt
00:04:33:29	00:04:36:03	thing, as far as our school,
00:04:36:03	00:04:38:29	I was told by friends--
00:04:38:29	00:04:40:03	I actually started to believe
00:04:40:03	00:04:41:07	it too, that, you know,
00:04:41:07	00:04:42:03	it's not really going
00:04:42:03	00:04:43:04	to make a difference.
00:04:43:04	00:04:44:20	It's just a t-shirt.
00:04:44:20	00:04:46:03	But then, the whole
00:04:46:03	00:04:47:18	Assembly Bill 35 just seemed
00:04:47:18	00:04:49:18	to fall right in our lap.
00:04:49:18	00:04:50:29	>> Now, we know the State
00:04:50:29	00:04:52:15	Assembly is planning
00:04:52:15	00:04:54:00	on holding a hearing
00:04:54:00	00:04:56:07	regarding Assembly Bill 35,
00:04:56:07	00:04:58:18	that will attempt to eliminate
00:04:58:18	00:04:59:27	the use of race-based mascots
00:04:59:27	00:05:01:06	in public schools.
00:05:01:06	00:05:02:20	>> We decided that it would
00:05:02:20	00:05:04:06	be nice if a group of students
00:05:04:06	00:05:06:12	would go down to Madison.
00:05:06:12	00:05:08:24	So we met as a group,
00:05:08:24	00:05:11:04	talked about the issue, talked
00:05:11:04	00:05:12:18	about what we're going to say,
00:05:12:18	00:05:14:09	how we're going to say it.
00:05:14:09	00:05:15:18	>> What are some of the core
00:05:15:18	00:05:16:21	issues, or some of the things
00:05:16:21	00:05:18:05	that you think will be important
00:05:18:05	00:05:20:08	that you share
00:05:20:08	00:05:22:13	in your testimony?
00:05:22:13	00:05:23:20	>> We have to talk about honor,
00:05:23:20	00:05:24:27	because everybody brings up
00:05:24:27	00:05:25:27	that, oh, yeah,
00:05:25:27	00:05:26:29	the Native Americans
00:05:26:29	00:05:28:20	are being so honored by this.
00:05:28:20	00:05:29:21	You know, they should be happy
00:05:29:21	00:05:31:01	we made them our mascot.
00:05:31:01	00:05:31:29	>> Anybody else?
00:05:31:29	00:05:33:07	Travis, go ahead.
00:05:33:07	00:05:34:16	>> I think we should definitely
00:05:34:16	00:05:36:04	discuss, like, local control.
00:05:36:04	00:05:37:20	If you know what they are going
00:05:37:20	00:05:38:21	to argue towards you,
00:05:38:21	00:05:40:04	then you can form a rebuttal
00:05:40:04	00:05:42:14	that is more effective.
00:05:42:14	00:05:43:28	For some reason,
00:05:43:28	00:05:45:08	I didn't expect them to be
00:05:45:08	00:05:46:21	so much, like agreeing...
00:05:46:21	00:05:47:22	You know, from a young age,
00:05:47:22	00:05:48:20	you're taught to do
00:05:48:20	00:05:49:22	what's right.
00:05:49:22	00:05:50:27	And to me, this is something
00:05:50:27	00:05:52:08	that seems right to do,
00:05:52:08	00:05:53:16	like helping out other people,
00:05:53:16	00:05:55:23	helping their voices be heard.
00:05:59:17	00:06:00:24	>> Before we go up there and
00:06:00:24	00:06:02:03	testify, will they know that
00:06:02:03	00:06:03:11	we are all from the same place?
00:06:03:11	00:06:04:15	>> I think they might.
00:06:04:15	00:06:06:11	My hope is that you will be able
00:06:06:11	00:06:09:03	to testify back-to-back-to-back.
00:06:09:03	00:06:10:05	That's what my hope is.
00:06:10:05	00:06:11:08	I don't know.
00:06:11:08	00:06:12:13	This is new to me, too.
00:06:12:13	00:06:14:06	I've never done this.
00:06:14:06	00:06:15:10	>> My name is Zach Simones.
00:06:15:10	00:06:16:12	I'm a junior
00:06:16:12	00:06:17:08	at Prescott High School.
00:06:17:08	00:06:18:09	I'm here today acting
00:06:18:09	00:06:19:09	as an individual, and in no way
00:06:19:09	00:06:20:08	representing the opinion
00:06:20:08	00:06:21:24	of the Prescott School District.
00:06:21:24	00:06:24:05	That's basically it.
00:06:28:04	00:06:29:08	>> We talked
00:06:29:08	00:06:31:04	to the Education Committee.
00:06:31:04	00:06:32:11	>> I also think that we were
00:06:32:11	00:06:33:16	talking to the public today.
00:06:33:16	00:06:34:16	This is a really good
00:06:34:16	00:06:35:18	opportunity to get our voices
00:06:35:18	00:06:36:20	out and tell the public
00:06:36:20	00:06:38:14	about the issue.
00:06:38:14	00:06:39:28	>> The hearing was huge.
00:06:39:28	00:06:41:06	I am going to impose some
00:06:41:06	00:06:43:25	fairly strict limits on time.
00:06:43:25	00:06:45:01	So with that, I'm going to
00:06:45:01	00:06:46:16	invite Senator Spencer Coggs
00:06:46:16	00:06:48:19	to return.
00:06:48:19	00:06:50:21	And Representative Soletski,
00:06:50:21	00:06:53:25	the author of the Assembly Bill.
00:06:53:25	00:06:55:04	>> Today, we'll hear testimony
00:06:55:04	00:06:56:21	from children, parents
00:06:56:21	00:06:58:16	and grandparents.
00:06:58:16	00:07:00:15	There's a lot of people here.
00:07:00:15	00:07:02:19	We had six students from
00:07:02:19	00:07:04:06	the Prescott School District,
00:07:04:06	00:07:05:26	and about 25 students from
00:07:05:26	00:07:09:00	the Menomonie Nation School.
00:07:09:00	00:07:10:07	>> Listen to what the people
00:07:10:07	00:07:12:11	will tell you today.
00:07:12:11	00:07:13:12	That's why we called
00:07:13:12	00:07:14:16	a public hearing,
00:07:14:16	00:07:15:24	so the public can weigh in
00:07:15:24	00:07:17:02	on the matter that we're
00:07:17:02	00:07:19:08	going to vote on eventually.
00:07:19:08	00:07:20:13	>> People come and
00:07:20:13	00:07:22:17	they present opposition
00:07:22:17	00:07:24:15	to that particular bill.
00:07:24:15	00:07:26:01	>> Some areas are known
00:07:26:01	00:07:27:17	for the Indian logo.
00:07:27:17	00:07:29:00	My grandson and I
00:07:29:00	00:07:30:11	are proud of that.
00:07:30:11	00:07:31:26	Do not pass this Assembly Bill
00:07:31:26	00:07:33:21	35, because we want to keep
00:07:33:21	00:07:36:15	our history and heritage.
00:07:36:15	00:07:37:23	>> Probably the most impressive
00:07:37:23	00:07:39:08	testimony that was given that
00:07:39:08	00:07:42:05	day was given by young people.
00:07:42:05	00:07:43:14	>> Honor means
00:07:43:14	00:07:44:19	to have good respect,
00:07:44:19	00:07:46:01	or to be held in esteem.
00:07:46:01	00:07:47:19	Allowing public schools to use
00:07:47:19	00:07:49:08	race-based mascots certainly
00:07:49:08	00:07:51:05	doesn't constitute honor.
00:07:51:05	00:07:52:14	>> What surprised me the most
00:07:52:14	00:07:54:19	is how not nervous I was.
00:07:54:19	00:07:55:25	Like, I went in,
00:07:55:25	00:07:56:26	and I was like, oh, man,
00:07:56:26	00:07:58:10	this is going to be bad.
00:07:58:10	00:07:59:23	But I got up there and I spoke,
00:07:59:23	00:08:01:25	and everything went really well.
00:08:01:25	00:08:03:09	In many schools in Wisconsin,
00:08:03:09	00:08:05:06	mock war whoops and
00:08:05:06	00:08:06:17	tomahawk chops can be seen
00:08:06:17	00:08:07:24	and heard at football
00:08:07:24	00:08:09:19	and basketball games.
00:08:09:19	00:08:11:06	The preparation was a big step,
00:08:11:06	00:08:12:06	because we went over
00:08:12:06	00:08:13:08	what we were going to say.
00:08:13:08	00:08:14:07	We wrote it down.
00:08:14:07	00:08:15:29	We made changes and everything.
00:08:15:29	00:08:17:25	Fans paint their faces,
00:08:17:25	00:08:19:09	wear feathers in their hair,
00:08:19:09	00:08:20:11	and play music that does
00:08:20:11	00:08:21:18	nothing but demean and mock
00:08:21:18	00:08:23:14	the culture of Native people.
00:08:23:14	00:08:24:15	>> Preparing
00:08:24:15	00:08:25:18	definitely helps you.
00:08:25:18	00:08:26:16	You know what you're going
00:08:26:16	00:08:27:09	to say, so when you go up there,
00:08:27:09	00:08:28:07	you can have,
00:08:28:07	00:08:29:16	like, good eye contact.
00:08:29:16	00:08:30:13	If they truly want to honor
00:08:30:13	00:08:31:15	Native Americans,
00:08:31:15	00:08:32:14	then these schools
00:08:32:14	00:08:33:29	should change their mascots.
00:08:33:29	00:08:35:03	And in fact, they should do so
00:08:35:03	00:08:36:25	enthusiastically.
00:08:36:25	00:08:38:02	>> I didn't know what to expect.
00:08:38:02	00:08:39:22	And I'm so glad
00:08:39:22	00:08:40:28	that I took this opportunity.
00:08:40:28	00:08:42:02	I firmly believe
00:08:42:02	00:08:43:09	that the race-based mascots
00:08:43:09	00:08:44:15	are offensive.
00:08:44:15	00:08:45:14	I would say getting involved
00:08:45:14	00:08:46:17	is definitely
00:08:46:17	00:08:48:01	over-the-top worthwhile.
00:08:48:01	00:08:49:10	Native Americans are the only,
00:08:49:10	00:08:50:12	I repeat,
00:08:50:12	00:08:51:27	the only racial minority
00:08:51:27	00:08:53:03	in the United States
00:08:53:03	00:08:54:09	whose names are used
00:08:54:09	00:08:56:11	as sports team mascots.
00:08:56:11	00:08:57:12	>> Once I got up there,
00:08:57:12	00:08:58:14	I wasn't nervous at all,
00:08:58:14	00:08:59:17	because like, I had a purpose.
00:08:59:17	00:09:00:28	I believe these mascots
00:09:00:28	00:09:02:07	severely distort cultural
00:09:02:07	00:09:03:17	practices and traditions
00:09:03:17	00:09:05:16	of Native People of Wisconsin.
00:09:05:16	00:09:06:16	>> It's all about culture
00:09:06:16	00:09:07:26	and respect.
00:09:07:26	00:09:08:27	I urge the members of this
00:09:08:27	00:09:10:02	committee and all the members of
00:09:10:02	00:09:11:12	the Wisconsin State Legislature
00:09:11:12	00:09:13:04	to show their respect
00:09:13:04	00:09:15:06	by passing Assembly Bill 35.
00:09:15:06	00:09:17:04	Thank you for your time.
00:09:17:04	00:09:19:19	>> I'm very, very impressed
00:09:19:19	00:09:20:29	with the amount of research that
00:09:20:29	00:09:22:16	had to go into the individual
00:09:22:16	00:09:24:10	testimony that you gave, and
00:09:24:10	00:09:26:04	the confidence that you showed
00:09:26:04	00:09:27:19	as you gave your testimony.
00:09:27:19	00:09:29:01	But more importantly,
00:09:29:01	00:09:30:20	the quality.
00:09:30:20	00:09:32:06	>> I hope that by testifying
00:09:32:06	00:09:33:21	today, our testimonies can help
00:09:33:21	00:09:35:16	convince some of the people
00:09:35:16	00:09:37:03	on the committee and in the
00:09:37:03	00:09:38:11	Wisconsin State Legislature
00:09:38:11	00:09:39:18	to pass this bill, because
00:09:39:18	00:09:40:24	I think it needs to be done.
00:09:40:24	00:09:41:26	I hope that we've affected that
00:09:41:26	00:09:43:10	a little bit.
00:09:43:10	00:09:44:27	>> If you get involved, then
00:09:44:27	00:09:46:20	you know what's happening.
00:09:46:20	00:09:47:27	>> You're actually inputting
00:09:47:27	00:09:49:04	your voice, and you're actually
00:09:49:04	00:09:50:20	having a say in what goes on.
00:09:50:20	00:09:52:03	>> We all came together
00:09:52:03	00:09:53:22	at this last moment.
00:09:53:22	00:09:54:27	We didn't believe we were going
00:09:54:27	00:09:56:08	to make a difference.
00:09:56:08	00:09:57:10	And then, to come down here
00:09:57:10	00:09:58:11	and to meet the people who say
00:09:58:11	00:09:59:26	you are making a difference,
00:09:59:26	00:10:02:01	it really feels worthwhile.
00:10:09:05	00:10:10:24	>> For more information,
00:10:10:24	00:10:12:16	visit us on the Web at:
00:10:12:16	00:10:16:25	ecb.org/engage
00:10:24:11	00:10:25:13	>> We all think we know
00:10:25:13	00:10:27:01	what government is.
00:10:27:01	00:10:28:00	>> How it works
00:10:28:00	00:10:29:06	and what it does.
00:10:29:06	00:10:30:21	>> But what is it really?
00:10:30:21	00:10:31:21	What do we mean
00:10:31:21	00:10:33:04	by "government"?
00:10:33:04	00:10:34:10	>> Is it this?
00:10:34:10	00:10:36:12	>> Or this?
00:10:36:12	00:10:37:17	>> Are these people
00:10:37:17	00:10:38:21	the government?
00:10:38:21	00:10:40:00	>> Are you?
00:10:40:00	00:10:40:29	>> These are just some of
00:10:40:29	00:10:42:02	the questions we'll try
00:10:42:02	00:10:43:09	to answer for you today.
00:10:43:09	00:10:45:12	>> On Engage.
00:10:52:15	00:10:53:20	>> Hi, I'm Paloma.
00:10:53:20	00:10:54:20	>> And I'm Zach.
00:10:54:20	00:10:55:14	And right now,
00:10:55:14	00:10:56:09	we're in the Rotunda
00:10:56:09	00:10:57:26	of the Wisconsin State Capitol.
00:10:57:26	00:10:59:12	>> Get this, the interior volume
00:10:59:12	00:11:00:17	of this dome is greater
00:11:00:17	00:11:01:19	than any other
00:11:01:19	00:11:02:29	in the entire United States.
00:11:02:29	00:11:03:28	>> The dome is visible
00:11:03:28	00:11:05:01	for miles.
00:11:05:01	00:11:06:05	And people here in Madison pay
00:11:06:05	00:11:07:13	big bucks for homes or offices
00:11:07:13	00:11:09:01	with views of the capitol.
00:11:09:01	00:11:10:04	>> But what about the things
00:11:10:04	00:11:11:06	that people
00:11:11:06	00:11:12:17	don't want near their homes?
00:11:12:17	00:11:13:24	There's a common phrase called
00:11:13:24	00:11:16:10	NIMBY, not in my back yard.
00:11:16:10	00:11:17:10	>> When conflicts about
00:11:17:10	00:11:18:12	NIMBY come up, the government
00:11:18:12	00:11:19:23	may have to step in.
00:11:19:23	00:11:20:25	And sometimes, the final
00:11:20:25	00:11:22:01	decision is made right here,
00:11:22:01	00:11:24:10	in the Wisconsin State Capitol.
00:11:26:16	00:11:27:17	>> Wisconsin's landscape
00:11:27:17	00:11:28:21	is changing.
00:11:28:21	00:11:29:28	Wind turbines, hundreds of them,
00:11:29:28	00:11:31:01	have been popping up
00:11:31:01	00:11:32:05	all over the state.
00:11:32:05	00:11:33:04	You've probably seen them
00:11:33:04	00:11:34:09	yourself.
00:11:34:09	00:11:35:15	To many, these are sleek
00:11:35:15	00:11:36:23	powerful machines,
00:11:36:23	00:11:38:05	important symbols
00:11:38:05	00:11:41:05	of our move to green energy.
00:11:41:05	00:11:42:07	>> A few years ago, we made it
00:11:42:07	00:11:43:19	a priority in this state
00:11:43:19	00:11:44:26	that we were going to try
00:11:44:26	00:11:46:17	to capture renewable energy
00:11:46:17	00:11:48:25	to offset carbon fuels.
00:11:48:25	00:11:51:11	>> By the year 2015, ten percent
00:11:51:11	00:11:53:04	of all the electric energy used
00:11:53:04	00:11:54:23	by the consumers in Wisconsin
00:11:54:23	00:11:56:07	must come from
00:11:56:07	00:11:57:13	renewable resources.
00:11:57:13	00:11:58:15	>> Most of that, we think,
00:11:58:15	00:11:59:25	is going to come from
00:11:59:25	00:12:01:24	commercial wind projects.
00:12:01:24	00:12:03:07	Well, personally, I like
00:12:03:07	00:12:04:17	wind energy, because it's
00:12:04:17	00:12:08:03	a clean and native resource.
00:12:08:03	00:12:10:10	>> We are a state that has not
00:12:10:10	00:12:11:26	the strongest wind in the Union,
00:12:11:26	00:12:13:15	but we have very good wind.
00:12:13:15	00:12:14:26	>> A locally available resource.
00:12:14:26	00:12:16:19	It doesn't deplete over time.
00:12:16:19	00:12:18:10	It's self-replenishing.
00:12:18:10	00:12:19:22	>> I think wind development has
00:12:19:22	00:12:21:27	a strong future in Wisconsin.
00:12:24:02	00:12:25:07	>> But not everyone
00:12:25:07	00:12:27:08	is a fan of wind turbines.
00:12:27:08	00:12:28:14	>> I'm all for green energy.
00:12:28:14	00:12:29:15	The more we can do to save
00:12:29:15	00:12:31:13	Mother Earth, I'm all for it.
00:12:31:13	00:12:33:15	But look around.
00:12:33:15	00:12:35:04	>> They're everywhere.
00:12:35:04	00:12:36:09	You can't look in any direction
00:12:36:09	00:12:38:12	and not see all of them.
00:12:38:12	00:12:39:15	This is just such a mess
00:12:39:15	00:12:41:17	right now.
00:12:41:17	00:12:42:26	>> Ann and Jason Wirtz
00:12:42:26	00:12:44:06	moved into their 100-year-old
00:12:44:06	00:12:46:25	Victorian home in 1986.
00:12:46:25	00:12:49:01	Every night when I drove home,
00:12:49:01	00:12:50:10	I looked to see which way
00:12:50:10	00:12:52:09	those turbines were facing.
00:12:52:09	00:12:53:15	And I knew by the direction
00:12:53:15	00:12:54:19	of the wind,
00:12:54:19	00:12:55:20	and how they were spinning,
00:12:55:20	00:12:56:25	whether I was going to get
00:12:56:25	00:12:57:29	a good night's sleep or not.
00:12:57:29	00:12:58:27	>> You could actually
00:12:58:27	00:12:59:25	put your hand on the wall
00:12:59:25	00:13:01:04	and feel the vibrations.
00:13:01:04	00:13:02:05	>> The longer I was exposed
00:13:02:05	00:13:04:04	to it, the worse it got.
00:13:04:04	00:13:05:22	It just had to change,
00:13:05:22	00:13:07:28	or I wasn't going to survive.
00:13:07:28	00:13:09:15	The realtor told us there's
00:13:09:15	00:13:11:26	real concern over selling
00:13:11:26	00:13:14:02	property with wind turbines
00:13:14:02	00:13:15:25	this close to it.
00:13:15:25	00:13:18:13	We can't continue to live here,
00:13:18:13	00:13:19:28	and we can't sell it.
00:13:19:28	00:13:21:26	What choice do we really have?
00:13:21:26	00:13:23:03	We're just walking away.
00:13:23:03	00:13:24:20	We're abandoning it.
00:13:24:20	00:13:25:25	>> Sometimes, the individual
00:13:25:25	00:13:27:11	does need to sacrifice
00:13:27:11	00:13:29:00	for the betterment
00:13:29:00	00:13:31:08	of his or her community.
00:13:31:08	00:13:32:08	>> Individuals should never
00:13:32:08	00:13:33:13	have to pay the price
00:13:33:13	00:13:34:17	of health and safety.
00:13:34:17	00:13:36:22	Ever, ever, ever.
00:13:36:22	00:13:38:07	My name is Lynda Barry.
00:13:38:07	00:13:40:09	I'm an advocate for people
00:13:40:09	00:13:41:29	who are living in industrial
00:13:41:29	00:13:45:03	wind farms in our state.
00:13:45:03	00:13:46:03	I'm trying very hard
00:13:46:03	00:13:48:16	to get the word out
00:13:48:16	00:13:50:03	that there are down sides
00:13:50:03	00:13:53:10	to wind power.
00:13:53:10	00:13:54:22	I actually got interested in it
00:13:54:22	00:13:56:04	because a neighbor of mine
00:13:56:04	00:13:57:13	invited me to a meeting about
00:13:57:13	00:13:59:03	this wind farm that was coming.
00:13:59:03	00:14:01:02	And when we got to the meeting
00:14:01:02	00:14:02:16	and started to find questions
00:14:02:16	00:14:03:29	that people had, it just
00:14:03:29	00:14:05:19	raised some red flags for me.
00:14:05:19	00:14:07:15	I started to do some research,
00:14:07:15	00:14:09:20	and really began to become
00:14:09:20	00:14:13:18	troubled about the proposal.
00:14:13:18	00:14:15:18	I found that there was
00:14:15:18	00:14:17:06	no place on the Web
00:14:17:06	00:14:18:11	that specifically addressed
00:14:18:11	00:14:19:12	what was happening
00:14:19:12	00:14:20:22	in Wisconsin.
00:14:20:22	00:14:22:01	So, I started a Web site called
00:14:22:01	00:14:24:00	Better Plan Wisconsin.
00:14:24:00	00:14:25:06	I started to hear from people
00:14:25:06	00:14:26:14	who live in wind farms.
00:14:26:14	00:14:28:07	And once I put the Web site up,
00:14:28:07	00:14:29:20	I started hearing from members
00:14:29:20	00:14:30:20	of local government,
00:14:30:20	00:14:31:23	who were also trying to find out
00:14:31:23	00:14:33:27	about ordinances.
00:14:33:27	00:14:36:07	>> We had town governments
00:14:36:07	00:14:38:02	adopting ordinances
00:14:38:02	00:14:39:11	in the past few years
00:14:39:11	00:14:40:16	trying to regulate the siting
00:14:40:16	00:14:41:17	of wind turbines.
00:14:41:17	00:14:42:24	>> Saying there can be
00:14:42:24	00:14:44:11	no construction in our town
00:14:44:11	00:14:45:15	of a wind farm.
00:14:45:15	00:14:46:20	>> What we were finding
00:14:46:20	00:14:48:03	is local villages, local towns,
00:14:48:03	00:14:50:00	local cities, you know,
00:14:50:00	00:14:51:03	were saying
00:14:51:03	00:14:53:04	the not in my back yard thing.
00:14:53:04	00:14:54:21	We're having a hard time siting
00:14:54:21	00:14:56:21	these wind farms, because of
00:14:56:21	00:14:58:03	this hodgepodge of local
00:14:58:03	00:15:00:03	ordinances.
00:15:00:03	00:15:02:24	If we're going to capture wind,
00:15:02:24	00:15:04:00	we need to be able to put
00:15:04:00	00:15:05:27	these windmills someplace.
00:15:05:27	00:15:07:09	>> Wind energy is no problem.
00:15:07:09	00:15:08:15	But when you put them
00:15:08:15	00:15:09:25	right next to people's homes,
00:15:09:25	00:15:11:05	there is a problem.
00:15:11:05	00:15:12:23	>> You can't have one village,
00:15:12:23	00:15:14:04	one city, one town,
00:15:14:04	00:15:15:24	dictate energy policy
00:15:15:24	00:15:17:22	for the rest of the state.
00:15:17:22	00:15:19:21	And we built that into the bill.
00:15:19:21	00:15:21:03	>> Senate Bill 185, relating to
00:15:21:03	00:15:22:10	regulation of wind energy system
00:15:22:10	00:15:23:23	and granting rule-making
00:15:23:23	00:15:25:05	authority.
00:15:25:05	00:15:27:05	>> It's a bill for being able
00:15:27:05	00:15:29:13	to site windmill farms
00:15:29:13	00:15:31:02	here in the state of Wisconsin.
00:15:31:02	00:15:32:03	What the bill does,
00:15:32:03	00:15:33:04	is it charges
00:15:33:04	00:15:34:12	the Public Service Commission
00:15:34:12	00:15:36:26	with establishing criteria,
00:15:36:26	00:15:39:04	establishing guidelines.
00:15:39:04	00:15:40:10	>> The Public Service Commission
00:15:40:10	00:15:41:27	is an independent state agency
00:15:41:27	00:15:43:22	that regulates utilities.
00:15:43:22	00:15:45:08	The bill that is pending
00:15:45:08	00:15:46:26	would allow the Public Service
00:15:46:26	00:15:48:03	Commission to make standards
00:15:48:03	00:15:49:20	for these large wind projects
00:15:49:20	00:15:52:08	in areas such as noise,
00:15:52:08	00:15:53:17	setbacks, which is
00:15:53:17	00:15:55:02	how far the projects are
00:15:55:02	00:15:56:22	from somebody's house.
00:15:56:22	00:15:58:08	>> This was all about taking the
00:15:58:08	00:16:00:05	power away from local government
00:16:00:05	00:16:03:20	and giving it to the PSC.
00:16:03:20	00:16:04:23	>> Local control is the idea
00:16:04:23	00:16:05:28	of protecting the community
00:16:05:28	00:16:07:14	and the neighbors in the area.
00:16:07:14	00:16:08:27	So this bill still retains
00:16:08:27	00:16:10:04	some local control, but within
00:16:10:04	00:16:11:14	the guidelines and parameters
00:16:11:14	00:16:12:28	that the Public Service
00:16:12:28	00:16:14:11	Commission is going to set.
00:16:14:11	00:16:15:25	>> Sometimes, you need a third
00:16:15:25	00:16:19:03	party, like the PSC, to make
00:16:19:03	00:16:21:28	some of these tough decisions.
00:16:21:28	00:16:23:07	>> I am in Madison today
00:16:23:07	00:16:24:20	visiting legislators
00:16:24:20	00:16:28:00	at the Capitol.
00:16:28:00	00:16:29:04	The Capitol is like
00:16:29:04	00:16:30:27	being in a big video game.
00:16:30:27	00:16:32:02	I get lost there
00:16:32:02	00:16:33:12	every time I go.
00:16:33:12	00:16:34:17	You can't believe that
00:16:34:17	00:16:35:22	you're really supposed to be
00:16:35:22	00:16:36:23	walking all alone down these
00:16:36:23	00:16:39:29	little twirly little corridors.
00:16:39:29	00:16:42:18	This is just part of wandering.
00:16:42:18	00:16:44:16	So, 319 South,
00:16:44:16	00:16:46:02	I'm trying to find it.
00:16:46:02	00:16:49:12	Let's see, 319 South.
00:16:49:12	00:16:52:15	Where am I?
00:16:52:15	00:16:53:21	>> Again, good morning
00:16:53:21	00:16:55:01	and thank you very much
00:16:55:01	00:16:56:17	for the members' attention
00:16:56:17	00:16:59:18	to Senate Bill 185.
00:16:59:18	00:17:01:16	We did have a public hearing.
00:17:01:16	00:17:02:26	A public hearing
00:17:02:26	00:17:05:24	is an opportunity for members
00:17:05:24	00:17:07:14	of the public to come
00:17:07:14	00:17:09:05	and have their voice be heard.
00:17:09:05	00:17:10:09	Anybody who's here who wants
00:17:10:09	00:17:11:15	to testify in front of this
00:17:11:15	00:17:12:20	committee is going to have
00:17:12:20	00:17:13:18	an opportunity.
00:17:13:18	00:17:14:18	>> The fact of the matter is,
00:17:14:18	00:17:17:00	we have PSC approved wind farms
00:17:17:00	00:17:18:06	that are running right now,
00:17:18:06	00:17:19:10	where people are having
00:17:19:10	00:17:20:22	a whole lot of trouble.
00:17:20:22	00:17:22:04	It sounds so big when I tell
00:17:22:04	00:17:23:05	my friends, yes, I was up
00:17:23:05	00:17:24:19	testifying at the Capitol today.
00:17:24:19	00:17:25:20	But it turns out,
00:17:25:20	00:17:26:26	anybody can testify.
00:17:26:26	00:17:27:23	>> Are there any questions
00:17:27:23	00:17:28:21	from the members?
00:17:28:21	00:17:29:20	>> So, I took off from work.
00:17:29:20	00:17:30:15	I spent the day in Madison.
00:17:30:15	00:17:31:11	I testified
00:17:31:11	00:17:32:14	in front of the Senate.
00:17:32:14	00:17:33:23	My name is Ann Wirtz.
00:17:33:23	00:17:34:20	I'm married
00:17:34:20	00:17:36:21	and I have four children.
00:17:36:21	00:17:38:23	My family is leaving our home.
00:17:38:23	00:17:39:28	We are leaving because
00:17:39:28	00:17:40:28	we are forced to live
00:17:40:28	00:17:43:19	amongst 400-foot wind turbines.
00:17:43:19	00:17:44:20	I did want to go,
00:17:44:20	00:17:46:11	but it was very hard.
00:17:46:11	00:17:47:11	I have not been able
00:17:47:11	00:17:48:18	to sleep well for most nights
00:17:48:18	00:17:49:20	since the wind turbines
00:17:49:20	00:17:50:28	started turning.
00:17:50:28	00:17:52:01	I spent all day down there,
00:17:52:01	00:17:53:25	testifying
00:17:53:25	00:17:55:18	with hundreds of people.
00:17:55:18	00:17:57:21	This needs to stop.
00:17:57:21	00:17:59:04	>> We hear people coming in.
00:17:59:04	00:18:01:07	And you know, this stuff
00:18:01:07	00:18:05:19	really bothers them a lot.
00:18:05:19	00:18:06:28	>> You will not
00:18:06:28	00:18:09:20	and cannot understand
00:18:09:20	00:18:10:25	the devastation that these
00:18:10:25	00:18:13:00	wind turbines did to my life.
00:18:13:00	00:18:15:09	Absolutely devastated my life.
00:18:15:09	00:18:17:17	>> I understand when people
00:18:17:17	00:18:19:05	come in and they're distraught.
00:18:19:05	00:18:21:03	>> I would ask you, beg you,
00:18:21:03	00:18:23:00	please, no more wind turbines.
00:18:23:00	00:18:24:06	>> The difficult part
00:18:24:06	00:18:25:15	is that even when we see
00:18:25:15	00:18:26:22	some very heartfelt,
00:18:26:22	00:18:28:17	some very real concerns,
00:18:28:17	00:18:29:20	we still have to do
00:18:29:20	00:18:31:14	what's in the public interest.
00:18:31:14	00:18:33:05	>> One of the things I learned
00:18:33:05	00:18:34:24	is that in a hearing
00:18:34:24	00:18:36:07	like that one,
00:18:36:07	00:18:37:24	there's a three-minute limit.
00:18:37:24	00:18:38:27	>> We still have about
00:18:38:27	00:18:39:29	a hundred people or so
00:18:39:29	00:18:41:20	who want to testify.
00:18:41:20	00:18:42:18	>> Three minutes.
00:18:42:18	00:18:44:03	So, you really have to have
00:18:44:03	00:18:46:23	your point of view down.
00:18:46:23	00:18:48:01	>> When average citizens
00:18:48:01	00:18:50:06	take a day, take that time
00:18:50:06	00:18:52:01	to drive to Madison,
00:18:52:01	00:18:54:00	sit in a crowded room so that
00:18:54:00	00:18:57:01	they can actually voice their
00:18:57:01	00:18:59:07	opinion, that has meaning.
00:18:59:07	00:19:01:05	That has value.
00:19:01:05	00:19:02:13	>> When I saw all of the people
00:19:02:13	00:19:03:22	there testifying,
00:19:03:22	00:19:05:14	I actually felt pretty good.
00:19:05:14	00:19:07:10	>> It's something powerful to be
00:19:07:10	00:19:09:02	in a room full of people from
00:19:09:02	00:19:10:13	different parts of the state.
00:19:10:13	00:19:11:19	You don't know each other.
00:19:11:19	00:19:12:16	And to see other people
00:19:12:16	00:19:14:01	stand up there.
00:19:14:01	00:19:17:03	It's a good civic thing to do.
00:19:17:03	00:19:19:03	>> Legislators have to balance
00:19:19:03	00:19:20:19	the needs of a particular
00:19:20:19	00:19:23:08	industry segment with what
00:19:23:08	00:19:24:15	they consider to be
00:19:24:15	00:19:26:07	the public interest.
00:19:26:07	00:19:27:14	>> There's really only one
00:19:27:14	00:19:29:11	solution for this problem,
00:19:29:11	00:19:30:28	which is to establish
00:19:30:28	00:19:32:08	permitting standards that
00:19:32:08	00:19:33:21	would be uniformly applied
00:19:33:21	00:19:35:13	across Wisconsin.
00:19:35:13	00:19:37:02	>> We heard from people who were
00:19:37:02	00:19:39:06	very much in favor of the bill.
00:19:39:06	00:19:40:23	We heard from people who were
00:19:40:23	00:19:43:20	very much opposed to the bill.
00:19:43:20	00:19:45:05	A lot of concerns were raised
00:19:45:05	00:19:46:22	at the 8-hour-plus hearing
00:19:46:22	00:19:48:23	about health concerns.
00:19:48:23	00:19:50:13	And I think because of that
00:19:50:13	00:19:52:05	public hearing, we have a much
00:19:52:05	00:19:54:15	better bill in its final product
00:19:54:15	00:19:57:23	than in its first draft.
00:19:57:23	00:19:59:10	Legislation that strikes that
00:19:59:10	00:20:01:08	middle ground, that balance that
00:20:01:08	00:20:03:03	provides for the common good,
00:20:03:03	00:20:04:13	but does not sacrifice personal
00:20:04:13	00:20:06:01	liberties is always going to be
00:20:06:01	00:20:08:00	a balancing act.
00:20:08:00	00:20:09:21	There's 132 legislators
00:20:09:21	00:20:11:03	in this building,
00:20:11:03	00:20:12:14	33 in the Senate,
00:20:12:14	00:20:14:12	99 in the Assembly.
00:20:14:12	00:20:15:23	Each of us represents a unique
00:20:15:23	00:20:17:29	and individual district.
00:20:17:29	00:20:19:00	So, not everybody
00:20:19:00	00:20:20:04	is going to agree.
00:20:20:04	00:20:21:14	A bill has to pass in both
00:20:21:14	00:20:23:03	the Senate and the Assembly
00:20:23:03	00:20:24:17	before it gets to the governor
00:20:24:17	00:20:27:05	for his signature or his veto.
00:20:27:05	00:20:28:12	>> Senate Bill 185, relating
00:20:28:12	00:20:29:17	to regulation of wind energy
00:20:29:17	00:20:30:16	systems and granting
00:20:30:16	00:20:32:01	rule-making authority...
00:20:32:01	00:20:33:14	>> The rules of the Senate,
00:20:33:14	00:20:34:25	the rules of the Assembly
00:20:34:25	00:20:36:01	can be somewhat confusing.
00:20:36:01	00:20:37:18	(man speaking very quickly)
00:20:37:18	00:20:39:12	>> Adoption of Assembly Bill...
00:20:39:12	00:20:41:19	adoption of Senate... commerce
00:20:41:19	00:20:44:01	and utilities, energy...
00:20:44:01	00:20:45:18	>> Somebody once said
00:20:45:18	00:20:47:09	that making laws
00:20:47:09	00:20:49:15	is a lot like making sausage.
00:20:49:15	00:20:50:26	It's not always pretty.
00:20:50:26	00:20:52:17	I think we have struck
00:20:52:17	00:20:54:08	that middle point between
00:20:54:08	00:20:55:25	the folks who want it all
00:20:55:25	00:20:58:23	and the folks who want nothing.
00:20:58:23	00:21:00:07	It's not an easy process.
00:21:00:07	00:21:01:23	It's not an efficient process.
00:21:01:23	00:21:03:15	It is a slow process.
00:21:03:15	00:21:05:24	But it should be.
00:21:05:24	00:21:06:29	We've spent an enormous
00:21:06:29	00:21:09:05	amount of time in our committee,
00:21:09:05	00:21:10:13	with the committee members
00:21:10:13	00:21:11:20	working on this bill.
00:21:11:20	00:21:13:18	>> It took us a long time
00:21:13:18	00:21:14:26	to get us to where we are
00:21:14:26	00:21:15:28	right now.
00:21:15:28	00:21:16:27	And there's nothing wrong
00:21:16:27	00:21:17:28	with that.
00:21:17:28	00:21:19:07	>> When you're making laws
00:21:19:07	00:21:21:01	that impact people's lives,
00:21:21:01	00:21:23:06	it should be a slow, difficult,
00:21:23:06	00:21:25:27	cumbersome process.
00:21:25:27	00:21:27:07	>> All those in favor of --
00:21:27:07	00:21:28:15	signify by saying "aye"
00:21:28:15	00:21:29:15	as your name is called.
00:21:29:15	00:21:30:27	Those opposed, "no."
00:21:30:27	00:21:32:07	>> If this is the plan
00:21:32:07	00:21:33:24	for the state, it's important
00:21:33:24	00:21:36:04	to get this thing right.
00:21:36:04	00:21:38:05	>> Decker, Ellis...
00:21:38:05	00:21:39:18	>> This bill represents our
00:21:39:18	00:21:42:25	best chance to fix the problem.
00:21:42:25	00:21:45:25	>> Hanson, Harsdorf...
00:21:45:25	00:21:47:01	>> It's a big bill
00:21:47:01	00:21:48:29	with large consequences.
00:21:48:29	00:21:50:02	>> We don't have a king
00:21:50:02	00:21:51:11	that's going to make a decision.
00:21:51:11	00:21:52:28	>> Kanavas...
00:21:52:28	00:21:54:05	>> Decisions that really affect
00:21:54:05	00:21:56:20	people in a very dramatic way.
00:21:56:20	00:21:57:19	>> I felt like my life
00:21:57:19	00:21:59:00	was in their hands.
00:21:59:00	00:22:01:26	>> Kreitlow, Lasee...
00:22:01:26	00:22:02:28	>> Dictatorships
00:22:02:28	00:22:04:26	are very efficient.
00:22:04:26	00:22:07:11	Democracies are not.
00:22:07:11	00:22:09:14	>> There are 23 ayes, 9 nos,
00:22:09:14	00:22:10:20	so it gives final passage
00:22:10:20	00:22:12:08	to Senate Bill 185.
00:22:12:08	00:22:13:26	>> The stuff that we do
00:22:13:26	00:22:15:17	in this building
00:22:15:17	00:22:17:18	impacts everybody in Wisconsin.
00:22:17:18	00:22:19:07	We change the legislation.
00:22:19:07	00:22:20:21	It was good to know, we're going
00:22:20:21	00:22:22:28	to have a rational energy policy
00:22:22:28	00:22:24:26	here in the state of Wisconsin.
00:22:24:26	00:22:26:16	I think it's important
00:22:26:16	00:22:27:28	for people to get involved.
00:22:27:28	00:22:29:06	This is their democracy.
00:22:29:06	00:22:30:26	This is their government.
00:22:30:26	00:22:31:29	>> When you get involved,
00:22:31:29	00:22:32:27	what you will find
00:22:32:27	00:22:34:08	are the people who really care,
00:22:34:08	00:22:35:17	who are really working hard,
00:22:35:17	00:22:36:28	and whose minds are actually
00:22:36:28	00:22:38:17	changed by the information
00:22:38:17	00:22:39:26	that you give them.
00:22:39:26	00:22:40:29	Letters matter.
00:22:40:29	00:22:42:03	Phone calls matter.
00:22:42:03	00:22:43:18	It all makes a difference.
00:22:43:18	00:22:44:20	So I have more faith
00:22:44:20	00:22:45:27	in government now, because
00:22:45:27	00:22:48:00	I'm one of the active members.
00:22:48:00	00:22:50:04	We the people is real.
00:22:50:04	00:22:53:04	We the people is a real thing.
00:23:00:03	00:23:01:12	>> For more information,
00:23:01:12	00:23:02:19	visit us on the Web at:
00:23:02:19	00:23:06:16	ecb.org/engage