00:00:02:09	00:00:03:12	>> We all think we know
00:00:03:12	00:00:04:27	what government is.
00:00:04:27	00:00:05:29	>> How it works
00:00:05:29	00:00:07:05	and what it does.
00:00:07:05	00:00:08:15	>> But what is it really?
00:00:08:15	00:00:09:18	What do we mean
00:00:09:18	00:00:11:03	by "government"?
00:00:11:03	00:00:12:29	>> Is it this?
00:00:12:29	00:00:14:15	>> Or this?
00:00:14:15	00:00:15:16	>> Are these people
00:00:15:16	00:00:16:22	the government?
00:00:16:22	00:00:18:00	>> Are you?
00:00:18:00	00:00:18:29	>> These are just some
00:00:18:29	00:00:20:05	of the questions we'll try
00:00:20:05	00:00:21:16	to answer for you today.
00:00:21:16	00:00:23:14	>> On Engage.
00:00:28:25	00:00:30:03	>> Hi, I'm Paloma.
00:00:30:03	00:00:31:05	>> And I'm Zach.
00:00:31:05	00:00:32:06	We're here in Madison.
00:00:32:06	00:00:33:06	>> Hey, check this out.
00:00:33:06	00:00:34:20	The biggest building in town.
00:00:34:20	00:00:36:17	Pretty impressive.
00:00:36:17	00:00:37:16	>> If you come to Madison,
00:00:37:16	00:00:38:17	you can't miss it.
00:00:38:17	00:00:39:16	Maybe you came here on a
00:00:39:16	00:00:41:00	class trip back in grade school.
00:00:41:00	00:00:42:16	>> They give free tours of the
00:00:42:16	00:00:44:14	capitol building all the time.
00:00:44:14	00:00:46:23	Look! There's one right now.
00:00:46:23	00:00:47:25	>> The fact is,
00:00:47:25	00:00:49:10	this is our building.
00:00:49:10	00:00:50:22	And all the people who work here
00:00:50:22	00:00:52:11	make up our state government.
00:00:52:11	00:00:54:04	They work for us.
00:00:54:04	00:00:55:25	>> We're their bosses.
00:00:55:25	00:00:56:25	So it makes sense that
00:00:56:25	00:00:57:25	we should have something to say
00:00:57:25	00:00:59:05	about what goes on around here.
00:00:59:05	00:01:00:13	>> It seems far fetched?
00:01:00:13	00:01:02:15	Well, take a look at this map.
00:01:02:15	00:01:03:15	On the far western part
00:01:03:15	00:01:04:18	of Wisconsin, there's a little
00:01:04:18	00:01:05:27	town called Prescott.
00:01:05:27	00:01:07:09	It's only about 4,000 people.
00:01:07:09	00:01:08:09	>> Some kids from
00:01:08:09	00:01:09:09	Prescott High School decided
00:01:09:09	00:01:10:12	that it wasn't far fetched
00:01:10:12	00:01:11:14	to come to Madison
00:01:11:14	00:01:13:14	and have their say.
00:01:16:08	00:01:17:17	>> At Prescott High School, in
00:01:17:17	00:01:19:08	a Native American History class,
00:01:19:08	00:01:20:15	a group of students
00:01:20:15	00:01:21:29	first became aware of the issue
00:01:21:29	00:01:24:28	of Native American mascots.
00:01:28:13	00:01:29:24	Many schools use these images as
00:01:29:24	00:01:32:06	symbols of their sports teams.
00:01:32:06	00:01:33:23	In recent years, some
00:01:33:23	00:01:35:04	communities have decided that
00:01:35:04	00:01:36:23	these images promote a negative
00:01:36:23	00:01:39:24	stereotype of Native Americans.
00:01:39:24	00:01:41:14	>> We did learn about it in our
00:01:41:14	00:01:43:15	Native American History class.
00:01:43:15	00:01:44:21	>> When you think of
00:01:44:21	00:01:46:07	Indian mascots, most imagery,
00:01:46:07	00:01:47:13	almost all imagery connected
00:01:47:13	00:01:48:26	with Indian mascots is based
00:01:48:26	00:01:50:24	on a particular stereotype.
00:01:50:24	00:01:52:07	>> Like the stuff that goes on
00:01:52:07	00:01:53:09	at games, kind of like
00:01:53:09	00:01:54:20	the tomahawk chop and like,
00:01:54:20	00:01:57:06	the songs and other things
00:01:57:06	00:01:58:23	that they sing.
00:01:58:23	00:01:59:26	Even the imagery
00:01:59:26	00:02:02:13	is stereotypical.
00:02:04:08	00:02:05:14	>> Being non-Indian people,
00:02:05:14	00:02:06:14	there's a lot of people
00:02:06:14	00:02:07:11	who would say,
00:02:07:11	00:02:08:12	"Why do you care?"
00:02:08:12	00:02:09:19	Why should you care
00:02:09:19	00:02:11:17	about an issue like this?
00:02:11:17	00:02:12:21	>> We had to write an essay
00:02:12:21	00:02:13:28	on our opinion, about do you
00:02:13:28	00:02:15:04	think Native American mascots
00:02:15:04	00:02:16:24	are offensive.
00:02:16:24	00:02:17:24	>> It hurts the self-esteem
00:02:17:24	00:02:19:07	of Native Americans.
00:02:19:07	00:02:20:16	>> It hits close to home,
00:02:20:16	00:02:21:19	because we have a bunch
00:02:21:19	00:02:23:05	of schools in our area
00:02:23:05	00:02:25:03	that do have Indian mascots.
00:02:25:03	00:02:27:11	I know Native Americans,
00:02:27:11	00:02:28:20	hearing them say,
00:02:28:20	00:02:30:28	"That's very offensive to me,"
00:02:30:28	00:02:33:26	made way more of an impact.
00:02:36:10	00:02:37:12	>> As they became aware
00:02:37:12	00:02:38:27	of the problem, the Prescott
00:02:38:27	00:02:40:22	students did some research
00:02:40:22	00:02:42:06	and found out what an emotional
00:02:42:06	00:02:45:09	and difficult issue it is.
00:02:45:09	00:02:46:15	>> Because people get attached
00:02:46:15	00:02:47:26	to them over, you know,
00:02:47:26	00:02:49:03	however many years.
00:02:49:03	00:02:50:08	They take some sense of pride
00:02:50:08	00:02:51:14	in it, their parents
00:02:51:14	00:02:52:22	going to that school,
00:02:52:22	00:02:54:23	them going to that school.
00:02:54:23	00:02:55:27	>> It's all involved
00:02:55:27	00:02:56:26	in their sports.
00:02:56:26	00:02:57:26	Their sports teams
00:02:57:26	00:02:59:05	made them so proud, that they
00:02:59:05	00:03:00:20	are just connected to them,
00:03:00:20	00:03:01:28	and they identify with it.
00:03:01:28	00:03:03:10	>> If you go to a high school,
00:03:03:10	00:03:04:12	and you have a mascot, and
00:03:04:12	00:03:05:17	you're in sports, you're kind of
00:03:05:17	00:03:07:07	representing that mascot.
00:03:07:07	00:03:08:17	You become, like,
00:03:08:17	00:03:10:04	the Prescott Cardinal.
00:03:10:04	00:03:12:08	>> So much of high school
00:03:12:08	00:03:14:21	is involved with like sports,
00:03:14:21	00:03:16:26	and having school spirit.
00:03:16:26	00:03:18:00	>> People get really into
00:03:18:00	00:03:19:06	sports.
00:03:19:06	00:03:20:13	You are a Chief.
00:03:20:13	00:03:21:26	And you are a Cardinal.
00:03:21:26	00:03:23:04	There's some pride
00:03:23:04	00:03:24:08	along with it.
00:03:24:08	00:03:25:11	>> It's been that way for
00:03:25:11	00:03:26:17	so long, and people, I think,
00:03:26:17	00:03:27:25	when it comes to things
00:03:27:25	00:03:29:13	such as this, they feel like
00:03:29:13	00:03:30:14	it's been that way for so long
00:03:30:14	00:03:32:06	that they're entitled to it.
00:03:32:06	00:03:33:10	>> So I think just to
00:03:33:10	00:03:34:12	all of a sudden change that
00:03:34:12	00:03:37:12	is kind of hard for people.
00:03:37:12	00:03:38:12	>> I think we need to look at
00:03:38:12	00:03:39:27	like, the Native Americans'
00:03:39:27	00:03:41:00	point of view, too, like why
00:03:41:00	00:03:42:03	it's emotional for them.
00:03:42:03	00:03:43:06	It's not just emotional
00:03:43:06	00:03:44:04	for like the people that don't
00:03:44:04	00:03:45:13	want to change the mascot.
00:03:45:13	00:03:46:12	The big issue is,
00:03:46:12	00:03:47:15	why is it so emotional
00:03:47:15	00:03:49:28	for the Native Americans?
00:03:49:28	00:03:52:04	That's what I think it is.
00:03:52:04	00:03:53:18	>> In our conference,
00:03:53:18	00:03:55:09	we have two schools
00:03:55:09	00:03:58:01	that use the Indian as a mascot.
00:03:58:01	00:03:59:21	And so, we decided to organize
00:03:59:21	00:04:02:06	a student demonstration.
00:04:02:06	00:04:04:07	Our teacher had these flyers
00:04:04:07	00:04:05:26	that had a picture of the
00:04:05:26	00:04:07:12	whole Indian in the headdress,
00:04:07:12	00:04:08:25	and it had like a big slash
00:04:08:25	00:04:09:28	through it.
00:04:09:28	00:04:10:27	We had the idea of,
00:04:10:27	00:04:12:06	let's put it on t-shirts.
00:04:12:06	00:04:13:08	The demonstration
00:04:13:08	00:04:14:03	went off without a hitch.
00:04:14:03	00:04:15:12	I mean, there was no problems
00:04:15:12	00:04:16:20	there.
00:04:16:20	00:04:17:19	Of course,
00:04:17:19	00:04:18:23	there was heightened security.
00:04:18:23	00:04:19:24	>> There were some
00:04:19:24	00:04:20:26	police officers there.
00:04:20:26	00:04:21:25	And I remember we
00:04:21:25	00:04:22:25	got pulled out and like,
00:04:22:25	00:04:24:01	interviewed by some people.
00:04:24:01	00:04:25:06	But it went pretty smoothly.
00:04:25:06	00:04:26:09	>> I think it opened people's
00:04:26:09	00:04:28:05	eyes in our community,
00:04:28:05	00:04:29:16	who might not have been aware
00:04:29:16	00:04:31:14	of the issue.
00:04:31:14	00:04:32:18	>> When I started getting
00:04:32:18	00:04:34:02	involved with this, started
00:04:34:02	00:04:36:08	organizing the whole t-shirt
00:04:36:08	00:04:38:12	thing, as far as our school,
00:04:38:12	00:04:41:08	I was told by friends--
00:04:41:08	00:04:42:12	I actually started to believe
00:04:42:12	00:04:43:16	it too, that, you know,
00:04:43:16	00:04:44:12	it's not really going
00:04:44:12	00:04:45:13	to make a difference.
00:04:45:13	00:04:46:29	It's just a t-shirt.
00:04:46:29	00:04:48:12	But then, the whole
00:04:48:12	00:04:49:27	Assembly Bill 35 just seemed
00:04:49:27	00:04:51:27	to fall right in our lap.
00:04:51:27	00:04:53:08	>> Now, we know the State
00:04:53:08	00:04:54:24	Assembly is planning
00:04:54:24	00:04:56:09	on holding a hearing
00:04:56:09	00:04:58:16	regarding Assembly Bill 35,
00:04:58:16	00:05:00:29	that will attempt to eliminate
00:05:00:29	00:05:02:08	the use of race-based mascots
00:05:02:08	00:05:03:15	in public schools.
00:05:03:15	00:05:04:29	>> We decided that it would
00:05:04:29	00:05:06:15	be nice if a group of students
00:05:06:15	00:05:08:21	would go down to Madison.
00:05:08:21	00:05:11:03	So we met as a group,
00:05:11:03	00:05:13:13	talked about the issue, talked
00:05:13:13	00:05:14:27	about what we're going to say,
00:05:14:27	00:05:16:18	how we're going to say it.
00:05:16:18	00:05:17:27	>> What are some of the core
00:05:17:27	00:05:19:00	issues, or some of the things
00:05:19:00	00:05:20:14	that you think will be important
00:05:20:14	00:05:22:17	that you share
00:05:22:17	00:05:24:22	in your testimony?
00:05:24:22	00:05:25:29	>> We have to talk about honor,
00:05:25:29	00:05:27:06	because everybody brings up
00:05:27:06	00:05:28:06	that, oh, yeah,
00:05:28:06	00:05:29:08	the Native Americans
00:05:29:08	00:05:30:29	are being so honored by this.
00:05:30:29	00:05:32:00	You know, they should be happy
00:05:32:00	00:05:33:10	we made them our mascot.
00:05:33:10	00:05:34:08	>> Anybody else?
00:05:34:08	00:05:35:16	Travis, go ahead.
00:05:35:16	00:05:36:25	>> I think we should definitely
00:05:36:25	00:05:38:13	discuss, like, local control.
00:05:38:13	00:05:39:29	If you know what they are going
00:05:39:29	00:05:41:00	to argue towards you,
00:05:41:00	00:05:42:13	then you can form a rebuttal
00:05:42:13	00:05:44:23	that is more effective.
00:05:44:23	00:05:46:07	For some reason,
00:05:46:07	00:05:47:17	I didn't expect them to be
00:05:47:17	00:05:49:00	so much, like agreeing...
00:05:49:00	00:05:50:01	You know, from a young age,
00:05:50:01	00:05:50:29	you're taught to do
00:05:50:29	00:05:52:01	what's right.
00:05:52:01	00:05:53:06	And to me, this is something
00:05:53:06	00:05:54:17	that seems right to do,
00:05:54:17	00:05:55:25	like helping out other people,
00:05:55:25	00:05:58:02	helping their voices be heard.
00:06:01:28	00:06:03:03	>> Before we go up there and
00:06:03:03	00:06:04:12	testify, will they know that
00:06:04:12	00:06:05:20	we are all from the same place?
00:06:05:20	00:06:06:24	>> I think they might.
00:06:06:24	00:06:08:20	My hope is that you will be able
00:06:08:20	00:06:11:12	to testify back-to-back-to-back.
00:06:11:12	00:06:12:14	That's what my hope is.
00:06:12:14	00:06:13:17	I don't know.
00:06:13:17	00:06:14:22	This is new to me, too.
00:06:14:22	00:06:16:15	I've never done this.
00:06:16:15	00:06:17:19	>> My name is Zach Simones.
00:06:17:19	00:06:18:21	I'm a junior
00:06:18:21	00:06:19:17	at Prescott High School.
00:06:19:17	00:06:20:18	I'm here today acting
00:06:20:18	00:06:21:18	as an individual, and in no way
00:06:21:18	00:06:22:17	representing the opinion
00:06:22:17	00:06:24:03	of the Prescott School District.
00:06:24:03	00:06:26:14	That's basically it.
00:06:30:13	00:06:31:17	>> We talked
00:06:31:17	00:06:33:13	to the Education Committee.
00:06:33:13	00:06:34:20	>> I also think that we were
00:06:34:20	00:06:35:25	talking to the public today.
00:06:35:25	00:06:36:25	This is a really good
00:06:36:25	00:06:37:27	opportunity to get our voices
00:06:37:27	00:06:38:29	out and tell the public
00:06:38:29	00:06:40:23	about the issue.
00:06:40:23	00:06:42:07	>> The hearing was huge.
00:06:42:07	00:06:43:15	I am going to impose some
00:06:43:15	00:06:46:04	fairly strict limits on time.
00:06:46:04	00:06:47:10	So with that, I'm going to
00:06:47:10	00:06:48:25	invite Senator Spencer Coggs
00:06:48:25	00:06:50:28	to return.
00:06:50:28	00:06:53:00	And Representative Soletski,
00:06:53:00	00:06:56:04	the author of the Assembly Bill.
00:06:56:04	00:06:57:13	>> Today, we'll hear testimony
00:06:57:13	00:06:59:00	from children, parents
00:06:59:00	00:07:00:27	and grandparents.
00:07:00:27	00:07:02:24	There's a lot of people here.
00:07:02:24	00:07:04:28	We had six students from
00:07:04:28	00:07:06:15	the Prescott School District,
00:07:06:15	00:07:08:05	and about 25 students from
00:07:08:05	00:07:11:09	the Menomonie Nation School.
00:07:11:09	00:07:12:16	>> Listen to what the people
00:07:12:16	00:07:14:20	will tell you today.
00:07:14:20	00:07:15:21	That's why we called
00:07:15:21	00:07:16:25	a public hearing,
00:07:16:25	00:07:18:03	so the public can weigh in
00:07:18:03	00:07:19:11	on the matter that we're
00:07:19:11	00:07:21:17	going to vote on eventually.
00:07:21:17	00:07:22:22	>> People come and
00:07:22:22	00:07:24:26	they present opposition
00:07:24:26	00:07:26:24	to that particular bill.
00:07:26:24	00:07:28:10	>> Some areas are known
00:07:28:10	00:07:29:26	for the Indian logo.
00:07:29:26	00:07:31:09	My grandson and I
00:07:31:09	00:07:32:20	are proud of that.
00:07:32:20	00:07:34:05	Do not pass this Assembly Bill
00:07:34:05	00:07:36:00	35, because we want to keep
00:07:36:00	00:07:38:24	our history and heritage.
00:07:38:24	00:07:40:02	>> Probably the most impressive
00:07:40:02	00:07:41:17	testimony that was given that
00:07:41:17	00:07:44:14	day was given by young people.
00:07:44:14	00:07:45:23	>> Honor means
00:07:45:23	00:07:46:28	to have good respect,
00:07:46:28	00:07:48:10	or to be held in esteem.
00:07:48:10	00:07:49:28	Allowing public schools to use
00:07:49:28	00:07:51:17	race-based mascots certainly
00:07:51:17	00:07:53:14	doesn't constitute honor.
00:07:53:14	00:07:54:23	>> What surprised me the most
00:07:54:23	00:07:56:28	is how not nervous I was.
00:07:56:28	00:07:58:04	Like, I went in,
00:07:58:04	00:07:59:05	and I was like, oh, man,
00:07:59:05	00:08:00:21	this is going to be bad.
00:08:00:21	00:08:02:04	But I got up there and I spoke,
00:08:02:04	00:08:04:04	and everything went really well.
00:08:04:04	00:08:05:18	In many schools in Wisconsin,
00:08:05:18	00:08:07:15	mock war whoops and
00:08:07:15	00:08:08:26	tomahawk chops can be seen
00:08:08:26	00:08:10:03	and heard at football
00:08:10:03	00:08:11:28	and basketball games.
00:08:11:28	00:08:13:15	The preparation was a big step,
00:08:13:15	00:08:14:15	because we went over
00:08:14:15	00:08:15:17	what we were going to say.
00:08:15:17	00:08:16:16	We wrote it down.
00:08:16:16	00:08:18:08	We made changes and everything.
00:08:18:08	00:08:20:04	Fans paint their faces,
00:08:20:04	00:08:21:18	wear feathers in their hair,
00:08:21:18	00:08:22:20	and play music that does
00:08:22:20	00:08:23:27	nothing but demean and mock
00:08:23:27	00:08:25:23	the culture of Native people.
00:08:25:23	00:08:26:24	>> Preparing
00:08:26:24	00:08:27:27	definitely helps you.
00:08:27:27	00:08:28:25	You know what you're going
00:08:28:25	00:08:29:18	to say, so when you go up there,
00:08:29:18	00:08:30:16	you can have,
00:08:30:16	00:08:31:25	like, good eye contact.
00:08:31:25	00:08:32:22	If they truly want to honor
00:08:32:22	00:08:33:24	Native Americans,
00:08:33:24	00:08:34:23	then these schools
00:08:34:23	00:08:36:08	should change their mascots.
00:08:36:08	00:08:37:12	And in fact, they should do so
00:08:37:12	00:08:39:04	enthusiastically.
00:08:39:04	00:08:40:11	>> I didn't know what to expect.
00:08:40:11	00:08:42:01	And I'm so glad
00:08:42:01	00:08:43:07	that I took this opportunity.
00:08:43:07	00:08:44:11	I firmly believe
00:08:44:11	00:08:45:18	that the race-based mascots
00:08:45:18	00:08:46:24	are offensive.
00:08:46:24	00:08:47:23	I would say getting involved
00:08:47:23	00:08:48:26	is definitely
00:08:48:26	00:08:50:10	over-the-top worthwhile.
00:08:50:10	00:08:51:19	Native Americans are the only,
00:08:51:19	00:08:52:21	I repeat,
00:08:52:21	00:08:54:06	the only racial minority
00:08:54:06	00:08:55:12	in the United States
00:08:55:12	00:08:56:18	whose names are used
00:08:56:18	00:08:58:20	as sports team mascots.
00:08:58:20	00:08:59:21	>> Once I got up there,
00:08:59:21	00:09:00:25	I wasn't nervous at all,
00:09:00:25	00:09:01:28	because like, I had a purpose.
00:09:01:28	00:09:03:07	I believe these mascots
00:09:03:07	00:09:04:16	severely distort cultural
00:09:04:16	00:09:05:26	practices and traditions
00:09:05:26	00:09:07:25	of Native People of Wisconsin.
00:09:07:25	00:09:08:25	>> It's all about culture
00:09:08:25	00:09:10:05	and respect.
00:09:10:05	00:09:11:06	I urge the members of this
00:09:11:06	00:09:12:11	committee and all the members of
00:09:12:11	00:09:13:21	the Wisconsin State Legislature
00:09:13:21	00:09:15:13	to show their respect
00:09:15:13	00:09:17:15	by passing Assembly Bill 35.
00:09:17:15	00:09:19:13	Thank you for your time.
00:09:19:13	00:09:21:28	>> I'm very, very impressed
00:09:21:28	00:09:23:08	with the amount of research that
00:09:23:08	00:09:24:25	had to go into the individual
00:09:24:25	00:09:26:19	testimony that you gave, and
00:09:26:19	00:09:28:13	the confidence that you showed
00:09:28:13	00:09:29:28	as you gave your testimony.
00:09:29:28	00:09:31:10	But more importantly,
00:09:31:10	00:09:32:29	the quality.
00:09:32:29	00:09:34:15	>> I hope that by testifying
00:09:34:15	00:09:36:00	today, our testimonies can help
00:09:36:00	00:09:37:25	convince some of the people
00:09:37:25	00:09:39:12	on the committee and in the
00:09:39:12	00:09:40:20	Wisconsin State Legislature
00:09:40:20	00:09:41:27	to pass this bill, because
00:09:41:27	00:09:43:03	I think it needs to be done.
00:09:43:03	00:09:44:05	I hope that we've affected that
00:09:44:05	00:09:45:19	a little bit.
00:09:45:19	00:09:47:06	>> If you get involved, then
00:09:47:06	00:09:48:29	you know what's happening.
00:09:48:29	00:09:50:06	>> You're actually inputting
00:09:50:06	00:09:51:13	your voice, and you're actually
00:09:51:13	00:09:52:29	having a say in what goes on.
00:09:52:29	00:09:54:12	>> We all came together
00:09:54:12	00:09:56:01	at this last moment.
00:09:56:01	00:09:57:06	We didn't believe we were going
00:09:57:06	00:09:58:17	to make a difference.
00:09:58:17	00:09:59:19	And then, to come down here
00:09:59:19	00:10:00:20	and to meet the people who say
00:10:00:20	00:10:02:05	you are making a difference,
00:10:02:05	00:10:04:10	it really feels worthwhile.
00:10:11:14	00:10:13:03	>> For more information,
00:10:13:03	00:10:14:25	visit us on the Web at:
00:10:14:25	00:10:19:04	ecb.org/engage
00:10:26:20	00:10:27:22	>> We all think we know
00:10:27:22	00:10:29:10	what government is.
00:10:29:10	00:10:30:09	>> How it works
00:10:30:09	00:10:31:15	and what it does.
00:10:31:15	00:10:33:00	>> But what is it really?
00:10:33:00	00:10:34:00	What do we mean
00:10:34:00	00:10:35:13	by "government"?
00:10:35:13	00:10:36:19	>> Is it this?
00:10:36:19	00:10:38:21	>> Or this?
00:10:38:21	00:10:39:26	>> Are these people
00:10:39:26	00:10:41:00	the government?
00:10:41:00	00:10:42:09	>> Are you?
00:10:42:09	00:10:43:08	>> These are just some of
00:10:43:08	00:10:44:11	the questions we'll try
00:10:44:11	00:10:45:18	to answer for you today.
00:10:45:18	00:10:47:21	>> On Engage.
00:10:54:24	00:10:55:29	>> Hi, I'm Paloma.
00:10:55:29	00:10:56:29	>> And I'm Zach.
00:10:56:29	00:10:57:23	And right now,
00:10:57:23	00:10:58:18	we're in the Rotunda
00:10:58:18	00:11:00:07	of the Wisconsin State Capitol.
00:11:00:07	00:11:01:23	>> Get this, the interior volume
00:11:01:23	00:11:02:26	of this dome is greater
00:11:02:26	00:11:03:28	than any other
00:11:03:28	00:11:05:08	in the entire United States.
00:11:05:08	00:11:06:07	>> The dome is visible
00:11:06:07	00:11:07:10	for miles.
00:11:07:10	00:11:08:14	And people here in Madison pay
00:11:08:14	00:11:09:22	big bucks for homes or offices
00:11:09:22	00:11:11:10	with views of the capitol.
00:11:11:10	00:11:12:13	>> But what about the things
00:11:12:13	00:11:13:15	that people
00:11:13:15	00:11:14:26	don't want near their homes?
00:11:14:26	00:11:16:03	There's a common phrase called
00:11:16:03	00:11:18:19	NIMBY, not in my back yard.
00:11:18:19	00:11:19:19	>> When conflicts about
00:11:19:19	00:11:20:21	NIMBY come up, the government
00:11:20:21	00:11:22:02	may have to step in.
00:11:22:02	00:11:23:04	And sometimes, the final
00:11:23:04	00:11:24:10	decision is made right here,
00:11:24:10	00:11:26:19	in the Wisconsin State Capitol.
00:11:28:25	00:11:29:26	>> Wisconsin's landscape
00:11:29:26	00:11:31:00	is changing.
00:11:31:00	00:11:32:07	Wind turbines, hundreds of them,
00:11:32:07	00:11:33:10	have been popping up
00:11:33:10	00:11:34:14	all over the state.
00:11:34:14	00:11:35:13	You've probably seen them
00:11:35:13	00:11:36:18	yourself.
00:11:36:18	00:11:37:24	To many, these are sleek
00:11:37:24	00:11:39:02	powerful machines,
00:11:39:02	00:11:40:14	important symbols
00:11:40:14	00:11:43:14	of our move to green energy.
00:11:43:14	00:11:44:16	>> A few years ago, we made it
00:11:44:16	00:11:45:28	a priority in this state
00:11:45:28	00:11:47:05	that we were going to try
00:11:47:05	00:11:48:26	to capture renewable energy
00:11:48:26	00:11:51:04	to offset carbon fuels.
00:11:51:04	00:11:53:20	>> By the year 2015, ten percent
00:11:53:20	00:11:55:13	of all the electric energy used
00:11:55:13	00:11:57:02	by the consumers in Wisconsin
00:11:57:02	00:11:58:16	must come from
00:11:58:16	00:11:59:22	renewable resources.
00:11:59:22	00:12:00:26	>> Most of that, we think,
00:12:00:26	00:12:02:06	is going to come from
00:12:02:06	00:12:04:03	commercial wind projects.
00:12:04:03	00:12:05:16	Well, personally, I like
00:12:05:16	00:12:06:26	wind energy, because it's
00:12:06:26	00:12:10:12	a clean and native resource.
00:12:10:12	00:12:12:19	>> We are a state that has not
00:12:12:19	00:12:14:05	the strongest wind in the Union,
00:12:14:05	00:12:15:24	but we have very good wind.
00:12:15:24	00:12:17:05	>> A locally available resource.
00:12:17:05	00:12:18:28	It doesn't deplete over time.
00:12:18:28	00:12:20:19	It's self-replenishing.
00:12:20:19	00:12:22:01	>> I think wind development has
00:12:22:01	00:12:24:06	a strong future in Wisconsin.
00:12:26:11	00:12:27:16	>> But not everyone
00:12:27:16	00:12:29:17	is a fan of wind turbines.
00:12:29:17	00:12:30:23	>> I'm all for green energy.
00:12:30:23	00:12:31:24	The more we can do to save
00:12:31:24	00:12:33:22	Mother Earth, I'm all for it.
00:12:33:22	00:12:35:24	But look around.
00:12:35:24	00:12:37:13	>> They're everywhere.
00:12:37:13	00:12:38:18	You can't look in any direction
00:12:38:18	00:12:40:21	and not see all of them.
00:12:40:21	00:12:41:24	This is just such a mess
00:12:41:24	00:12:43:26	right now.
00:12:43:26	00:12:45:05	>> Ann and Jason Wirtz
00:12:45:05	00:12:46:15	moved into their 100-year-old
00:12:46:15	00:12:49:04	Victorian home in 1986.
00:12:49:04	00:12:51:10	Every night when I drove home,
00:12:51:10	00:12:52:19	I looked to see which way
00:12:52:19	00:12:54:18	those turbines were facing.
00:12:54:18	00:12:55:24	And I knew by the direction
00:12:55:24	00:12:56:28	of the wind,
00:12:56:28	00:12:57:29	and how they were spinning,
00:12:57:29	00:12:59:04	whether I was going to get
00:12:59:04	00:13:00:10	a good night's sleep or not.
00:13:00:10	00:13:01:08	>> You could actually
00:13:01:08	00:13:02:06	put your hand on the wall
00:13:02:06	00:13:03:13	and feel the vibrations.
00:13:03:13	00:13:04:14	>> The longer I was exposed
00:13:04:14	00:13:06:13	to it, the worse it got.
00:13:06:13	00:13:08:01	It just had to change,
00:13:08:01	00:13:10:07	or I wasn't going to survive.
00:13:10:07	00:13:11:24	The realtor told us there's
00:13:11:24	00:13:14:05	real concern over selling
00:13:14:05	00:13:16:11	property with wind turbines
00:13:16:11	00:13:18:04	this close to it.
00:13:18:04	00:13:20:22	We can't continue to live here,
00:13:20:22	00:13:22:07	and we can't sell it.
00:13:22:07	00:13:24:05	What choice do we really have?
00:13:24:05	00:13:25:12	We're just walking away.
00:13:25:12	00:13:26:29	We're abandoning it.
00:13:26:29	00:13:28:04	>> Sometimes, the individual
00:13:28:04	00:13:29:20	does need to sacrifice
00:13:29:20	00:13:31:09	for the betterment
00:13:31:09	00:13:33:17	of his or her community.
00:13:33:17	00:13:34:17	>> Individuals should never
00:13:34:17	00:13:35:22	have to pay the price
00:13:35:22	00:13:36:26	of health and safety.
00:13:36:26	00:13:39:01	Ever, ever, ever.
00:13:39:01	00:13:40:16	My name is Lynda Barry.
00:13:40:16	00:13:42:18	I'm an advocate for people
00:13:42:18	00:13:44:08	who are living in industrial
00:13:44:08	00:13:47:12	wind farms in our state.
00:13:47:12	00:13:48:12	I'm trying very hard
00:13:48:12	00:13:50:25	to get the word out
00:13:50:25	00:13:52:12	that there are down sides
00:13:52:12	00:13:55:19	to wind power.
00:13:55:19	00:13:57:01	I actually got interested in it
00:13:57:01	00:13:58:13	because a neighbor of mine
00:13:58:13	00:13:59:22	invited me to a meeting about
00:13:59:22	00:14:01:14	this wind farm that was coming.
00:14:01:14	00:14:03:11	And when we got to the meeting
00:14:03:11	00:14:04:25	and started to find questions
00:14:04:25	00:14:06:08	that people had, it just
00:14:06:08	00:14:07:28	raised some red flags for me.
00:14:07:28	00:14:09:24	I started to do some research,
00:14:09:24	00:14:11:29	and really began to become
00:14:11:29	00:14:15:27	troubled about the proposal.
00:14:15:27	00:14:17:27	I found that there was
00:14:17:27	00:14:19:15	no place on the Web
00:14:19:15	00:14:20:20	that specifically addressed
00:14:20:20	00:14:21:21	what was happening
00:14:21:21	00:14:23:01	in Wisconsin.
00:14:23:01	00:14:24:10	So, I started a Web site called
00:14:24:10	00:14:26:09	Better Plan Wisconsin.
00:14:26:09	00:14:27:15	I started to hear from people
00:14:27:15	00:14:28:23	who live in wind farms.
00:14:28:23	00:14:30:16	And once I put the Web site up,
00:14:30:16	00:14:31:29	I started hearing from members
00:14:31:29	00:14:32:29	of local government,
00:14:32:29	00:14:34:02	who were also trying to find out
00:14:34:02	00:14:36:06	about ordinances.
00:14:36:06	00:14:38:16	>> We had town governments
00:14:38:16	00:14:40:11	adopting ordinances
00:14:40:11	00:14:41:20	in the past few years
00:14:41:20	00:14:42:25	trying to regulate the siting
00:14:42:25	00:14:43:26	of wind turbines.
00:14:43:26	00:14:45:03	>> Saying there can be
00:14:45:03	00:14:46:20	no construction in our town
00:14:46:20	00:14:47:24	of a wind farm.
00:14:47:24	00:14:48:29	>> What we were finding
00:14:48:29	00:14:50:12	is local villages, local towns,
00:14:50:12	00:14:52:09	local cities, you know,
00:14:52:09	00:14:53:12	were saying
00:14:53:12	00:14:55:13	the not in my back yard thing.
00:14:55:13	00:14:57:00	We're having a hard time siting
00:14:57:00	00:14:59:00	these wind farms, because of
00:14:59:00	00:15:00:14	this hodgepodge of local
00:15:00:14	00:15:02:12	ordinances.
00:15:02:12	00:15:05:03	If we're going to capture wind,
00:15:05:03	00:15:06:09	we need to be able to put
00:15:06:09	00:15:08:06	these windmills someplace.
00:15:08:06	00:15:09:18	>> Wind energy is no problem.
00:15:09:18	00:15:10:24	But when you put them
00:15:10:24	00:15:12:04	right next to people's homes,
00:15:12:04	00:15:13:14	there is a problem.
00:15:13:14	00:15:15:02	>> You can't have one village,
00:15:15:02	00:15:16:13	one city, one town,
00:15:16:13	00:15:18:03	dictate energy policy
00:15:18:03	00:15:20:01	for the rest of the state.
00:15:20:01	00:15:22:00	And we built that into the bill.
00:15:22:00	00:15:23:12	>> Senate Bill 185, relating to
00:15:23:12	00:15:24:19	regulation of wind energy system
00:15:24:19	00:15:26:02	and granting rule-making
00:15:26:02	00:15:27:14	authority.
00:15:27:14	00:15:29:14	>> It's a bill for being able
00:15:29:14	00:15:31:22	to site windmill farms
00:15:31:22	00:15:33:11	here in the state of Wisconsin.
00:15:33:11	00:15:34:12	What the bill does,
00:15:34:12	00:15:35:13	is it charges
00:15:35:13	00:15:36:21	the Public Service Commission
00:15:36:21	00:15:39:05	with establishing criteria,
00:15:39:05	00:15:41:13	establishing guidelines.
00:15:41:13	00:15:42:19	>> The Public Service Commission
00:15:42:19	00:15:44:06	is an independent state agency
00:15:44:06	00:15:46:01	that regulates utilities.
00:15:46:01	00:15:47:17	The bill that is pending
00:15:47:17	00:15:49:05	would allow the Public Service
00:15:49:05	00:15:50:12	Commission to make standards
00:15:50:12	00:15:51:29	for these large wind projects
00:15:51:29	00:15:54:17	in areas such as noise,
00:15:54:17	00:15:55:26	setbacks, which is
00:15:55:26	00:15:57:11	how far the projects are
00:15:57:11	00:15:59:01	from somebody's house.
00:15:59:01	00:16:00:19	>> This was all about taking the
00:16:00:19	00:16:02:14	power away from local government
00:16:02:14	00:16:05:29	and giving it to the PSC.
00:16:05:29	00:16:07:02	>> Local control is the idea
00:16:07:02	00:16:08:07	of protecting the community
00:16:08:07	00:16:09:23	and the neighbors in the area.
00:16:09:23	00:16:11:06	So this bill still retains
00:16:11:06	00:16:12:13	some local control, but within
00:16:12:13	00:16:13:23	the guidelines and parameters
00:16:13:23	00:16:15:07	that the Public Service
00:16:15:07	00:16:16:20	Commission is going to set.
00:16:16:20	00:16:18:04	>> Sometimes, you need a third
00:16:18:04	00:16:21:12	party, like the PSC, to make
00:16:21:12	00:16:24:07	some of these tough decisions.
00:16:24:07	00:16:25:16	>> I am in Madison today
00:16:25:16	00:16:26:29	visiting legislators
00:16:26:29	00:16:30:09	at the Capitol.
00:16:30:09	00:16:31:13	The Capitol is like
00:16:31:13	00:16:33:06	being in a big video game.
00:16:33:06	00:16:34:11	I get lost there
00:16:34:11	00:16:35:21	every time I go.
00:16:35:21	00:16:36:26	You can't believe that
00:16:36:26	00:16:38:01	you're really supposed to be
00:16:38:01	00:16:39:02	walking all alone down these
00:16:39:02	00:16:42:08	little twirly little corridors.
00:16:42:08	00:16:44:27	This is just part of wandering.
00:16:44:27	00:16:46:25	So, 319 South,
00:16:46:25	00:16:48:11	I'm trying to find it.
00:16:48:11	00:16:51:21	Let's see, 319 South.
00:16:51:21	00:16:54:24	Where am I?
00:16:54:24	00:16:56:00	>> Again, good morning
00:16:56:00	00:16:57:10	and thank you very much
00:16:57:10	00:16:58:26	for the members' attention
00:16:58:26	00:17:01:29	to Senate Bill 185.
00:17:01:29	00:17:03:25	We did have a public hearing.
00:17:03:25	00:17:05:05	A public hearing
00:17:05:05	00:17:08:03	is an opportunity for members
00:17:08:03	00:17:09:23	of the public to come
00:17:09:23	00:17:11:14	and have their voice be heard.
00:17:11:14	00:17:12:18	Anybody who's here who wants
00:17:12:18	00:17:13:24	to testify in front of this
00:17:13:24	00:17:14:29	committee is going to have
00:17:14:29	00:17:15:27	an opportunity.
00:17:15:27	00:17:16:27	>> The fact of the matter is,
00:17:16:27	00:17:19:09	we have PSC approved wind farms
00:17:19:09	00:17:20:15	that are running right now,
00:17:20:15	00:17:21:19	where people are having
00:17:21:19	00:17:23:01	a whole lot of trouble.
00:17:23:01	00:17:24:13	It sounds so big when I tell
00:17:24:13	00:17:25:14	my friends, yes, I was up
00:17:25:14	00:17:26:28	testifying at the Capitol today.
00:17:26:28	00:17:27:29	But it turns out,
00:17:27:29	00:17:29:05	anybody can testify.
00:17:29:05	00:17:30:02	>> Are there any questions
00:17:30:02	00:17:31:00	from the members?
00:17:31:00	00:17:31:29	>> So, I took off from work.
00:17:31:29	00:17:32:24	I spent the day in Madison.
00:17:32:24	00:17:33:20	I testified
00:17:33:20	00:17:34:23	in front of the Senate.
00:17:34:23	00:17:36:02	My name is Ann Wirtz.
00:17:36:02	00:17:36:29	I'm married
00:17:36:29	00:17:39:00	and I have four children.
00:17:39:00	00:17:41:02	My family is leaving our home.
00:17:41:02	00:17:42:07	We are leaving because
00:17:42:07	00:17:43:07	we are forced to live
00:17:43:07	00:17:45:28	amongst 400-foot wind turbines.
00:17:45:28	00:17:46:29	I did want to go,
00:17:46:29	00:17:48:20	but it was very hard.
00:17:48:20	00:17:49:20	I have not been able
00:17:49:20	00:17:50:27	to sleep well for most nights
00:17:50:27	00:17:51:29	since the wind turbines
00:17:51:29	00:17:53:07	started turning.
00:17:53:07	00:17:54:10	I spent all day down there,
00:17:54:10	00:17:56:04	testifying
00:17:56:04	00:17:57:27	with hundreds of people.
00:17:57:27	00:18:00:02	This needs to stop.
00:18:00:02	00:18:01:15	>> We hear people coming in.
00:18:01:15	00:18:03:16	And you know, this stuff
00:18:03:16	00:18:07:28	really bothers them a lot.
00:18:07:28	00:18:09:07	>> You will not
00:18:09:07	00:18:11:29	and cannot understand
00:18:11:29	00:18:13:04	the devastation that these
00:18:13:04	00:18:15:09	wind turbines did to my life.
00:18:15:09	00:18:17:18	Absolutely devastated my life.
00:18:17:18	00:18:19:26	>> I understand when people
00:18:19:26	00:18:21:14	come in and they're distraught.
00:18:21:14	00:18:23:12	>> I would ask you, beg you,
00:18:23:12	00:18:25:09	please, no more wind turbines.
00:18:25:09	00:18:26:15	>> The difficult part
00:18:26:15	00:18:27:24	is that even when we see
00:18:27:24	00:18:29:01	some very heartfelt,
00:18:29:01	00:18:30:26	some very real concerns,
00:18:30:26	00:18:31:29	we still have to do
00:18:31:29	00:18:33:23	what's in the public interest.
00:18:33:23	00:18:35:14	>> One of the things I learned
00:18:35:14	00:18:37:03	is that in a hearing
00:18:37:03	00:18:38:16	like that one,
00:18:38:16	00:18:40:03	there's a three-minute limit.
00:18:40:03	00:18:41:06	>> We still have about
00:18:41:06	00:18:42:08	a hundred people or so
00:18:42:08	00:18:43:29	who want to testify.
00:18:43:29	00:18:44:27	>> Three minutes.
00:18:44:27	00:18:46:12	So, you really have to have
00:18:46:12	00:18:49:02	your point of view down.
00:18:49:02	00:18:50:10	>> When average citizens
00:18:50:10	00:18:52:15	take a day, take that time
00:18:52:15	00:18:54:10	to drive to Madison,
00:18:54:10	00:18:56:09	sit in a crowded room so that
00:18:56:09	00:18:59:10	they can actually voice their
00:18:59:10	00:19:01:18	opinion, that has meaning.
00:19:01:18	00:19:03:14	That has value.
00:19:03:14	00:19:04:22	>> When I saw all of the people
00:19:04:22	00:19:06:01	there testifying,
00:19:06:01	00:19:07:23	I actually felt pretty good.
00:19:07:23	00:19:09:19	>> It's something powerful to be
00:19:09:19	00:19:11:11	in a room full of people from
00:19:11:11	00:19:12:22	different parts of the state.
00:19:12:22	00:19:13:28	You don't know each other.
00:19:13:28	00:19:14:25	And to see other people
00:19:14:25	00:19:16:10	stand up there.
00:19:16:10	00:19:19:12	It's a good civic thing to do.
00:19:19:12	00:19:21:12	>> Legislators have to balance
00:19:21:12	00:19:22:28	the needs of a particular
00:19:22:28	00:19:25:17	industry segment with what
00:19:25:17	00:19:26:24	they consider to be
00:19:26:24	00:19:28:16	the public interest.
00:19:28:16	00:19:29:23	>> There's really only one
00:19:29:23	00:19:31:20	solution for this problem,
00:19:31:20	00:19:33:07	which is to establish
00:19:33:07	00:19:34:17	permitting standards that
00:19:34:17	00:19:36:00	would be uniformly applied
00:19:36:00	00:19:37:22	across Wisconsin.
00:19:37:22	00:19:39:11	>> We heard from people who were
00:19:39:11	00:19:41:15	very much in favor of the bill.
00:19:41:15	00:19:43:02	We heard from people who were
00:19:43:02	00:19:45:29	very much opposed to the bill.
00:19:45:29	00:19:47:14	A lot of concerns were raised
00:19:47:14	00:19:49:01	at the 8-hour-plus hearing
00:19:49:01	00:19:51:02	about health concerns.
00:19:51:02	00:19:52:22	And I think because of that
00:19:52:22	00:19:54:14	public hearing, we have a much
00:19:54:14	00:19:56:24	better bill in its final product
00:19:56:24	00:20:00:02	than in its first draft.
00:20:00:02	00:20:01:19	Legislation that strikes that
00:20:01:19	00:20:03:17	middle ground, that balance that
00:20:03:17	00:20:05:12	provides for the common good,
00:20:05:12	00:20:06:22	but does not sacrifice personal
00:20:06:22	00:20:08:10	liberties is always going to be
00:20:08:10	00:20:10:09	a balancing act.
00:20:10:09	00:20:12:00	There's 132 legislators
00:20:12:00	00:20:13:12	in this building,
00:20:13:12	00:20:14:23	33 in the Senate,
00:20:14:23	00:20:16:21	99 in the Assembly.
00:20:16:21	00:20:18:02	Each of us represents a unique
00:20:18:02	00:20:20:08	and individual district.
00:20:20:08	00:20:21:09	So, not everybody
00:20:21:09	00:20:22:13	is going to agree.
00:20:22:13	00:20:23:23	A bill has to pass in both
00:20:23:23	00:20:25:12	the Senate and the Assembly
00:20:25:12	00:20:26:26	before it gets to the governor
00:20:26:26	00:20:29:14	for his signature or his veto.
00:20:29:14	00:20:30:21	>> Senate Bill 185, relating
00:20:30:21	00:20:31:26	to regulation of wind energy
00:20:31:26	00:20:32:25	systems and granting
00:20:32:25	00:20:34:10	rule-making authority...
00:20:34:10	00:20:35:23	>> The rules of the Senate,
00:20:35:23	00:20:37:04	the rules of the Assembly
00:20:37:04	00:20:38:10	can be somewhat confusing.
00:20:38:10	00:20:39:27	(man speaking very quickly)
00:20:39:27	00:20:41:21	>> Adoption of Assembly Bill...
00:20:41:21	00:20:43:28	adoption of Senate... commerce
00:20:43:28	00:20:46:10	and utilities, energy...
00:20:46:10	00:20:47:27	>> Somebody once said
00:20:47:27	00:20:49:18	that making laws
00:20:49:18	00:20:51:24	is a lot like making sausage.
00:20:51:24	00:20:53:05	It's not always pretty.
00:20:53:05	00:20:54:26	I think we have struck
00:20:54:26	00:20:56:17	that middle point between
00:20:56:17	00:20:58:04	the folks who want it all
00:20:58:04	00:21:01:04	and the folks who want nothing.
00:21:01:04	00:21:02:16	It's not an easy process.
00:21:02:16	00:21:04:02	It's not an efficient process.
00:21:04:02	00:21:05:24	It is a slow process.
00:21:05:24	00:21:08:03	But it should be.
00:21:08:03	00:21:09:08	We've spent an enormous
00:21:09:08	00:21:11:14	amount of time in our committee,
00:21:11:14	00:21:12:22	with the committee members
00:21:12:22	00:21:13:29	working on this bill.
00:21:13:29	00:21:15:27	>> It took us a long time
00:21:15:27	00:21:17:05	to get us to where we are
00:21:17:05	00:21:18:07	right now.
00:21:18:07	00:21:19:06	And there's nothing wrong
00:21:19:06	00:21:20:07	with that.
00:21:20:07	00:21:21:16	>> When you're making laws
00:21:21:16	00:21:23:10	that impact people's lives,
00:21:23:10	00:21:25:15	it should be a slow, difficult,
00:21:25:15	00:21:28:06	cumbersome process.
00:21:28:06	00:21:29:16	>> All those in favor of --
00:21:29:16	00:21:30:24	signify by saying "aye"
00:21:30:24	00:21:31:24	as your name is called.
00:21:31:24	00:21:33:06	Those opposed, "no."
00:21:33:06	00:21:34:16	>> If this is the plan
00:21:34:16	00:21:36:03	for the state, it's important
00:21:36:03	00:21:38:13	to get this thing right.
00:21:38:13	00:21:40:14	>> Decker, Ellis...
00:21:40:14	00:21:41:27	>> This bill represents our
00:21:41:27	00:21:45:04	best chance to fix the problem.
00:21:45:04	00:21:48:04	>> Hanson, Harsdorf...
00:21:48:04	00:21:49:10	>> It's a big bill
00:21:49:10	00:21:51:08	with large consequences.
00:21:51:08	00:21:52:11	>> We don't have a king
00:21:52:11	00:21:53:20	that's going to make a decision.
00:21:53:20	00:21:55:07	>> Kanavas...
00:21:55:07	00:21:56:14	>> Decisions that really affect
00:21:56:14	00:21:58:29	people in a very dramatic way.
00:21:58:29	00:21:59:28	>> I felt like my life
00:21:59:28	00:22:01:11	was in their hands.
00:22:01:11	00:22:04:05	>> Kreitlow, Lasee...
00:22:04:05	00:22:05:07	>> Dictatorships
00:22:05:07	00:22:07:05	are very efficient.
00:22:07:05	00:22:09:20	Democracies are not.
00:22:09:20	00:22:11:23	>> There are 23 ayes, 9 nos,
00:22:11:23	00:22:12:29	so it gives final passage
00:22:12:29	00:22:14:17	to Senate Bill 185.
00:22:14:17	00:22:16:05	>> The stuff that we do
00:22:16:05	00:22:17:26	in this building
00:22:17:26	00:22:19:27	impacts everybody in Wisconsin.
00:22:19:27	00:22:21:16	We change the legislation.
00:22:21:16	00:22:23:00	It was good to know, we're going
00:22:23:00	00:22:25:07	to have a rational energy policy
00:22:25:07	00:22:27:05	here in the state of Wisconsin.
00:22:27:05	00:22:28:25	I think it's important
00:22:28:25	00:22:30:07	for people to get involved.
00:22:30:07	00:22:31:15	This is their democracy.
00:22:31:15	00:22:33:05	This is their government.
00:22:33:05	00:22:34:08	>> When you get involved,
00:22:34:08	00:22:35:06	what you will find
00:22:35:06	00:22:36:17	are the people who really care,
00:22:36:17	00:22:37:26	who are really working hard,
00:22:37:26	00:22:39:07	and whose minds are actually
00:22:39:07	00:22:40:26	changed by the information
00:22:40:26	00:22:42:05	that you give them.
00:22:42:05	00:22:43:08	Letters matter.
00:22:43:08	00:22:44:12	Phone calls matter.
00:22:44:12	00:22:45:27	It all makes a difference.
00:22:45:27	00:22:46:29	So I have more faith
00:22:46:29	00:22:48:06	in government now, because
00:22:48:06	00:22:50:09	I'm one of the active members.
00:22:50:09	00:22:52:13	We the people is real.
00:22:52:13	00:22:55:13	We the people is a real thing.
00:23:02:12	00:23:03:21	>> For more information,
00:23:03:21	00:23:04:28	visit us on the Web at:
00:23:04:28	00:23:08:25	ecb.org/engage