00:00:00:00	00:00:01:18	>> I think local government
00:00:01:18	00:00:02:25	is what will impact them
00:00:02:25	00:00:04:05	the most in their daily lives
00:00:04:05	00:00:05:14	when they're adults.
00:00:05:14	00:00:06:20	And I think it's a part of
00:00:06:20	00:00:07:22	the curriculum that is
00:00:07:22	00:00:09:09	often missing.
00:00:09:09	00:00:10:08	I think current events
00:00:10:08	00:00:11:27	are really important.
00:00:11:27	00:00:13:05	And I didn't want current events
00:00:13:05	00:00:14:12	to be something that kids hate.
00:00:14:12	00:00:15:18	I wanted something that would
00:00:15:18	00:00:17:00	engage them, and they would go
00:00:17:00	00:00:17:29	out on their own and read
00:00:17:29	00:00:18:29	the paper, and things.
00:00:18:29	00:00:19:29	I think you have to,
00:00:19:29	00:00:21:01	on an emotional level, if you
00:00:21:01	00:00:22:03	can connect them a little bit,
00:00:22:03	00:00:24:02	that's helpful.
00:00:24:02	00:00:26:07	If you teach a controversy,
00:00:26:07	00:00:27:14	where you're giving multiple
00:00:27:14	00:00:28:28	perspectives on the issue,
00:00:28:28	00:00:30:21	that's an appropriate thing
00:00:30:21	00:00:31:25	to do.
00:00:31:25	00:00:32:25	All right, so today what
00:00:32:25	00:00:34:07	we're going to do, is
00:00:34:07	00:00:36:03	we're going to look at a lesson
00:00:36:03	00:00:37:19	about Native American mascots.
00:00:37:19	00:00:39:01	So what I want you guys to do,
00:00:39:01	00:00:39:28	is you can kind of see
00:00:39:28	00:00:42:01	these images.
00:00:42:01	00:00:43:02	What words or images
00:00:43:02	00:00:44:14	come to mind when viewing
00:00:44:14	00:00:46:19	the Indian mascot?
00:00:46:19	00:00:47:18	Any?
00:00:47:18	00:00:48:23	It's word association.
00:00:48:23	00:00:49:21	What do you think of
00:00:49:21	00:00:51:11	when you see these images?
00:00:51:11	00:00:52:09	I'll put them back.
00:00:52:09	00:00:54:02	Word association.
00:00:54:02	00:00:56:00	You have like two minutes.
00:00:56:00	00:00:57:25	>> I just think about
00:00:57:25	00:01:00:20	the stereotypes toward Indians.
00:01:00:20	00:01:02:09	>> Anthony, what did you think?
00:01:02:09	00:01:04:21	>> Team spirit.
00:01:04:21	00:01:06:18	>> Dances with Wolves,
00:01:06:18	00:01:07:21	with Kevin Costner.
00:01:07:21	00:01:08:24	(laughter)
00:01:08:24	00:01:09:23	>> Cowboys.
00:01:09:23	00:01:10:20	>> Indians.
00:01:10:20	00:01:11:22	>> Cowboys and Indians.
00:01:11:22	00:01:12:20	>> Baseball.
00:01:12:20	00:01:14:18	>> Baseball? Why baseball?
00:01:14:18	00:01:15:29	>> Because that's a mascot.
00:01:15:29	00:01:18:11	>> I think what's interesting
00:01:18:11	00:01:19:25	from your images and your words
00:01:19:25	00:01:21:15	is that some of you had negative
00:01:21:15	00:01:22:28	images, and some of you had
00:01:22:28	00:01:24:17	positive images, which is
00:01:24:17	00:01:25:19	interesting, because our issue
00:01:25:19	00:01:27:03	today raises a lot
00:01:27:03	00:01:29:10	of emotional issues,
00:01:29:10	00:01:30:28	some on the positive side
00:01:30:28	00:01:33:14	and some on the negative side.
00:01:33:14	00:01:34:21	So what we're going to look at
00:01:34:21	00:01:37:17	today, and our question is,
00:01:37:17	00:01:39:10	should Wisconsin ban the use
00:01:39:10	00:01:41:01	of Indian mascots and logos
00:01:41:01	00:01:43:02	in their public schools?
00:01:43:02	00:01:44:07	I had divided them from the
00:01:44:07	00:01:46:14	groups of four into partners.
00:01:46:14	00:01:47:26	And they have to talk about what
00:01:47:26	00:01:49:05	they thought two good arguments
00:01:49:05	00:01:50:18	were that they already heard.
00:01:50:18	00:01:52:02	And then, my goal on this lesson
00:01:52:02	00:01:53:08	was for them to find
00:01:53:08	00:01:54:15	one additional new argument
00:01:54:15	00:01:55:26	to support that side.
00:01:55:26	00:01:57:01	And I'm going to put you
00:01:57:01	00:01:58:24	in groups of four, okay.
00:01:58:24	00:01:59:25	So that's the group
00:01:59:25	00:02:00:25	you're going to be working
00:02:00:25	00:02:02:00	on this issue with.
00:02:02:00	00:02:03:02	From the four, you're going
00:02:03:02	00:02:04:16	to break into pairs.
00:02:04:16	00:02:05:22	Two are going to support
00:02:05:22	00:02:07:11	and two are going to oppose
00:02:07:11	00:02:09:03	the issue of mascots.
00:02:09:03	00:02:10:19	Once they learn about an issue,
00:02:10:19	00:02:11:26	they become more engaged.
00:02:11:26	00:02:13:13	And what I found is that
00:02:13:13	00:02:14:26	a variety of different issues
00:02:14:26	00:02:16:05	engage different kids,
00:02:16:05	00:02:17:16	so you have to provide
00:02:17:16	00:02:18:22	a variety of issues, because
00:02:18:22	00:02:19:22	some will engage some students
00:02:19:22	00:02:21:13	and some will engage others.
00:02:21:13	00:02:23:08	To start with, though,
00:02:23:08	00:02:24:19	I thought I'd provide to you
00:02:24:19	00:02:27:01	a variety of information.
00:02:27:01	00:02:28:04	So I'm going to show you,
00:02:28:04	00:02:30:08	actually, two video clips.
00:02:30:08	00:02:31:12	And you're going to find
00:02:31:12	00:02:33:01	arguments, both to support
00:02:33:01	00:02:35:12	the yes and the no argument.
00:02:40:21	00:02:41:27	So I think what I'd do is just
00:02:41:27	00:02:43:14	jot down a few words or images
00:02:43:14	00:02:44:13	about some of the arguments
00:02:44:13	00:02:45:11	you heard,
00:02:45:11	00:02:46:11	while you remember them.
00:02:46:11	00:02:47:11	And you can expand on them
00:02:47:11	00:02:48:11	before I show you
00:02:48:11	00:02:51:00	the other videotape.
00:02:51:00	00:02:52:08	>> And so, when the Chief
00:02:52:08	00:02:53:18	stepped foot on the court
00:02:53:18	00:02:55:01	one last time, it seemed as if
00:02:55:01	00:02:56:08	the fans knew that they were
00:02:56:08	00:02:58:03	witnessing something historic,
00:02:58:03	00:03:00:08	the end of a controversial era.
00:03:00:08	00:03:03:07	The Chief's last dance.
00:03:03:07	00:03:04:11	>> Students can bring
00:03:04:11	00:03:05:14	the awareness to me.
00:03:05:14	00:03:06:09	They might have an issue
00:03:06:09	00:03:07:11	or concern
00:03:07:11	00:03:08:16	that they want to talk about.
00:03:08:16	00:03:09:29	I look in the paper.
00:03:09:29	00:03:11:04	I watch the news.
00:03:11:04	00:03:12:22	I like to think
00:03:12:22	00:03:14:07	I'm an engaged citizen.
00:03:14:07	00:03:15:19	So, I can bring some awareness
00:03:15:19	00:03:16:25	to them about what's going on
00:03:16:25	00:03:18:05	in the world.
00:03:18:05	00:03:20:08	And if I'm engaged,
00:03:20:08	00:03:22:10	their parents might be engaged.
00:03:22:10	00:03:23:24	It's kind of an interesting
00:03:23:24	00:03:25:04	marriage between what
00:03:25:04	00:03:26:08	the kids are interested in and
00:03:26:08	00:03:27:24	what's going on in the world.
00:03:27:24	00:03:28:28	Find as many arguments
00:03:28:28	00:03:30:15	as you can, okay?
00:03:30:15	00:03:31:24	Write them in your notes
00:03:31:24	00:03:32:25	and then you and your partner
00:03:32:25	00:03:33:25	will discuss what you think
00:03:33:25	00:03:35:24	are the top four.
00:03:35:24	00:03:37:01	>> So, we're supposed to like,
00:03:37:01	00:03:38:07	skim these and?
00:03:38:07	00:03:39:18	>> Yeah.
00:03:39:18	00:03:40:14	>> Those who want
00:03:40:14	00:03:41:16	the name changed
00:03:41:16	00:03:43:00	would like it changed to what?
00:03:43:00	00:03:44:05	The Pussy Cats
00:03:44:05	00:03:46:16	or the Fighting Librarians?
00:03:46:16	00:03:47:19	You don't name your own team
00:03:47:19	00:03:48:23	after someone or something
00:03:48:23	00:03:49:28	you don't respect.
00:03:49:28	00:03:51:04	>> They had me
00:03:51:04	00:03:52:24	for like the first paragraph.
00:03:52:24	00:03:55:12	After that, it was ridiculous.
00:03:55:12	00:03:56:18	It's like you could name it
00:03:56:18	00:03:58:22	a bunch of other stuff.
00:03:58:22	00:03:59:26	>> It may be a violation
00:03:59:26	00:04:01:18	of civil rights, it says.
00:04:01:18	00:04:03:01	>> I think when
00:04:03:01	00:04:05:11	a teacher comes to the table,
00:04:05:11	00:04:07:25	you always have biases.
00:04:07:25	00:04:09:21	By providing multiple
00:04:09:21	00:04:12:08	perspectives in the classroom
00:04:12:08	00:04:13:16	and when leading the discussion,
00:04:13:16	00:04:15:02	not saying, "Really,
00:04:15:02	00:04:17:19	that's your position?"
00:04:17:19	00:04:18:29	You know, I want to make it
00:04:18:29	00:04:20:08	feel like they can have
00:04:20:08	00:04:21:19	the perspective they want,
00:04:21:19	00:04:23:29	just support it with evidence,
00:04:23:29	00:04:25:07	and teach good arguing skills,
00:04:25:07	00:04:26:29	but not tell them how
00:04:26:29	00:04:29:09	they have to think or believe.
00:04:29:09	00:04:30:13	I heard you over there say,
00:04:30:13	00:04:31:13	"I already have opinions,
00:04:31:13	00:04:32:11	I don't need to write
00:04:32:11	00:04:33:10	stuff down."
00:04:33:10	00:04:34:07	See if there are other arguments
00:04:34:07	00:04:35:21	that help support your position
00:04:35:21	00:04:36:28	on this.
00:04:36:28	00:04:38:07	>> They want to keep it around,
00:04:38:07	00:04:40:02	because it means something
00:04:40:02	00:04:41:12	to the students, and just like,
00:04:41:12	00:04:42:17	it makes the school
00:04:42:17	00:04:43:17	a better place.
00:04:43:17	00:04:44:16	If they got rid of the mascot,
00:04:44:16	00:04:45:20	I think the school
00:04:45:20	00:04:46:22	would just get worse.
00:04:46:22	00:04:47:28	>> On the issue, I'm just hoping
00:04:47:28	00:04:49:06	that they can have
00:04:49:06	00:04:50:10	a broader understanding
00:04:50:10	00:04:51:09	of the controversy, why it's
00:04:51:09	00:04:53:10	a controversy, and perhaps
00:04:53:10	00:04:54:15	why people are pretty emotional
00:04:54:15	00:04:56:04	about it.
00:04:56:04	00:04:57:04	>> All they're saying
00:04:57:04	00:04:58:08	is that they want to honor the
00:04:58:08	00:05:00:14	Native Americans, and not like,
00:05:00:14	00:05:01:23	discriminate them.
00:05:01:23	00:05:02:29	They're not trying
00:05:02:29	00:05:04:25	to take them down.
00:05:04:25	00:05:06:04	>> I think, to be an engaged
00:05:06:04	00:05:07:13	and active citizen is a really
00:05:07:13	00:05:08:17	important goal of a government
00:05:08:17	00:05:10:14	and a social studies curriculum.
00:05:10:14	00:05:11:22	That was why I hadn't
00:05:11:22	00:05:13:29	jumped to the activism part.
00:05:13:29	00:05:15:01	Because I knew that they weren't
00:05:15:01	00:05:17:03	ready to go there yet.
00:05:17:03	00:05:18:19	I wanted them to keep exploring
00:05:18:19	00:05:20:02	the two sides of the issue.
00:05:20:02	00:05:21:09	And I thought it was interesting
00:05:21:09	00:05:22:26	that at the end they were
00:05:22:26	00:05:24:14	actually addressing one another.
00:05:24:14	00:05:25:20	That's one of the big goals
00:05:25:20	00:05:26:27	of my discussion.
00:05:26:27	00:05:28:05	It's not me that they have to
00:05:28:05	00:05:29:11	direct all their comments to.
00:05:29:11	00:05:30:13	They should be talking
00:05:30:13	00:05:31:12	to one another,
00:05:31:12	00:05:32:20	and addressing themselves.
00:05:32:20	00:05:34:02	>> There's other mascots
00:05:34:02	00:05:35:12	that are for like Irish people,
00:05:35:12	00:05:36:13	and stuff like that.
00:05:36:13	00:05:37:08	It's not like
00:05:37:08	00:05:38:11	they're getting offended.
00:05:38:11	00:05:39:10	But I think
00:05:39:10	00:05:40:24	they take it differently,
00:05:40:24	00:05:42:15	because of the past history.
00:05:42:15	00:05:43:23	>> I'm looking at all of these
00:05:43:23	00:05:44:27	in Wisconsin.
00:05:44:27	00:05:46:06	It is such a big part of
00:05:46:06	00:05:47:21	our culture, because of all the
00:05:47:21	00:05:49:09	Indian tribes that were here.
00:05:49:09	00:05:50:18	It's been part of our history.
00:05:50:18	00:05:51:22	It's an important thing
00:05:51:22	00:05:53:20	to be representing.
00:05:53:20	00:05:54:21	>> He's in the school district
00:05:54:21	00:05:55:23	right next door.
00:05:55:23	00:05:56:26	He's arguing that they shouldn't
00:05:56:26	00:05:57:27	have their Native American
00:05:57:27	00:05:59:08	mascot.
00:05:59:08	00:06:01:25	>> Okay, 81%.
00:06:01:25	00:06:03:28	>> 81% of Americans said that
00:06:03:28	00:06:05:24	they shouldn't use mascots
00:06:05:24	00:06:07:05	for high school and college.
00:06:07:05	00:06:10:15	And 83% said no for pro teams.
00:06:10:15	00:06:11:25	>> It kind of seems like
00:06:11:25	00:06:13:19	most of them are saying no
00:06:13:19	00:06:15:03	for anything at all.
00:06:15:03	00:06:16:16	Native Americans are like,
00:06:16:16	00:06:18:01	they don't want it, because
00:06:18:01	00:06:20:04	the way they're using it now
00:06:20:04	00:06:21:27	is derogatory.
00:06:21:27	00:06:23:29	>> So, what from the video,
00:06:23:29	00:06:26:11	what from this do you think are
00:06:26:11	00:06:27:22	the most compelling arguments?
00:06:27:22	00:06:28:22	You don't have to agree with
00:06:28:22	00:06:29:21	them, but just the arguments
00:06:29:21	00:06:30:25	that you think
00:06:30:25	00:06:31:23	are the most compelling.
00:06:31:23	00:06:32:26	Think about once you have
00:06:32:26	00:06:34:01	four really good arguments,
00:06:34:01	00:06:35:01	you're going to team up with
00:06:35:01	00:06:36:01	them and share what arguments
00:06:36:01	00:06:37:10	you came up with.
00:06:37:10	00:06:38:16	>> If they want them banned,
00:06:38:16	00:06:40:00	they should be able to like,
00:06:40:00	00:06:41:11	have the opinion of banning
00:06:41:11	00:06:42:21	them, because like,
00:06:42:21	00:06:43:24	I'm not Native American.
00:06:43:24	00:06:44:24	Sam and I
00:06:44:24	00:06:45:26	both talked about this.
00:06:45:26	00:06:47:04	>> Yeah.
00:06:47:04	00:06:48:11	>> We're not Native Americans.
00:06:48:11	00:06:49:23	>> People use them, like
00:06:49:23	00:06:51:01	an Indian as their mascot,
00:06:51:01	00:06:52:03	because they thought
00:06:52:03	00:06:53:23	that it showed their opposition
00:06:53:23	00:06:55:14	that they were fierce,
00:06:55:14	00:06:56:26	and they were ready to win.
00:06:56:26	00:06:59:08	>> Our first argument was that
00:06:59:08	00:07:02:01	having Indians as a mascot
00:07:02:01	00:07:03:15	is not trying to demoralize
00:07:03:15	00:07:05:17	Native Americans.
00:07:05:17	00:07:06:23	It's more of an honor
00:07:06:23	00:07:08:26	for the Native Americans.
00:07:08:26	00:07:11:00	>> For ours, we said
00:07:11:00	00:07:13:08	it was disrespectful
00:07:13:08	00:07:14:29	to the Indian beliefs.
00:07:14:29	00:07:16:24	Mostly because it's like being
00:07:16:24	00:07:21:01	like they're wanting to fight.
00:07:21:01	00:07:22:22	>> We don't have, like,
00:07:22:22	00:07:25:02	Mexicans as mascots,
00:07:25:02	00:07:27:03	or black people as your mascots.
00:07:27:03	00:07:28:17	We're people, and we're all
00:07:28:17	00:07:29:25	the same, so I don't think
00:07:29:25	00:07:31:02	we should use people
00:07:31:02	00:07:32:29	as our mascots.
00:07:32:29	00:07:34:03	>> The lesson was done
00:07:34:03	00:07:36:17	in two days.
00:07:39:26	00:07:41:02	So I want you
00:07:41:02	00:07:42:01	to switch positions.
00:07:42:01	00:07:43:00	Find and talk about what
00:07:43:00	00:07:43:28	you think the two best ones
00:07:43:28	00:07:44:28	are that you've already heard.
00:07:44:28	00:07:46:17	Try to come up with a new one.
00:07:46:17	00:07:48:03	Then I want you to come back
00:07:48:03	00:07:49:26	together as a group of four,
00:07:49:26	00:07:51:01	share your arguments
00:07:51:01	00:07:52:15	that you thought were the best.
00:07:52:15	00:07:53:26	And then I have a ten-minute
00:07:53:26	00:07:55:12	video to show you, to further
00:07:55:12	00:07:57:03	enhance your understanding
00:07:57:03	00:07:58:13	of the issue.
00:07:58:13	00:08:00:28	Yeah, I think video, pictures,
00:08:00:28	00:08:03:16	any sort of technology
00:08:03:16	00:08:04:16	is important.
00:08:04:16	00:08:05:17	Kids are used to that.
00:08:05:17	00:08:06:17	They see all these images
00:08:06:17	00:08:07:12	all day.
00:08:07:12	00:08:08:26	They do those sorts of things.
00:08:08:26	00:08:10:06	So, to be able to bring that
00:08:10:06	00:08:11:08	into the classroom,
00:08:11:08	00:08:12:28	that's part of the engagement,
00:08:12:28	00:08:15:20	to have a variety of ways
00:08:15:20	00:08:17:16	for them to take in information.
00:08:17:16	00:08:18:29	>> People who don't know
00:08:18:29	00:08:21:01	as much may not be as careful
00:08:21:01	00:08:22:21	how to use it.
00:08:22:21	00:08:25:06	>> Okay, so what if you had
00:08:25:06	00:08:27:09	a friend who was Native American
00:08:27:09	00:08:29:05	and he or she found it
00:08:29:05	00:08:31:03	offensive?
00:08:31:03	00:08:32:17	>> I'm confused.
00:08:32:17	00:08:34:13	The yes side, I think, can say
00:08:34:13	00:08:36:06	that they should be banned,
00:08:36:06	00:08:38:29	just 'cause they're racist.
00:08:38:29	00:08:40:26	But then, the only thing
00:08:40:26	00:08:42:23	I agree with on the other side,
00:08:42:23	00:08:44:06	is that they show, like, bravery
00:08:44:06	00:08:45:23	and power, and stuff,
00:08:45:23	00:08:47:08	so it's kind of respectful.
00:08:47:08	00:08:48:28	>> But you know, in the same way
00:08:48:28	00:08:50:22	you're showing the bravery
00:08:50:22	00:08:52:12	and power, you're kind of
00:08:52:12	00:08:54:15	showing silliness.
00:08:54:15	00:08:55:28	>> But like for the other side,
00:08:55:28	00:08:57:18	they show respect.
00:08:57:18	00:08:59:24	So, I'm really confused.
00:08:59:24	00:09:01:07	>> It's nice that
00:09:01:07	00:09:03:01	they're choosing Indians
00:09:03:01	00:09:04:24	to portray what's respectful.
00:09:04:24	00:09:06:03	What's disrespectful is how
00:09:06:03	00:09:08:19	they portray them, you know?
00:09:08:19	00:09:10:00	>> Most people that are racist
00:09:10:00	00:09:11:10	aren't people that you think
00:09:11:10	00:09:12:24	would be.
00:09:12:24	00:09:13:24	>> Yeah.
00:09:13:24	00:09:14:21	>> I thought that was, that
00:09:14:21	00:09:16:10	they used the resources well.
00:09:16:10	00:09:17:28	>> We looked at this map
00:09:17:28	00:09:20:05	and saw that most of the schools
00:09:20:05	00:09:21:21	that have Indians as mascots
00:09:21:21	00:09:23:07	are in southern
00:09:23:07	00:09:25:14	and eastern Wisconsin,
00:09:25:14	00:09:27:18	whereas all the tribes and that
00:09:27:18	00:09:29:00	kind of thing, the reservations,
00:09:29:00	00:09:31:16	are in northern.
00:09:31:16	00:09:33:00	So, we weren't sure
00:09:33:00	00:09:34:06	what that meant at first.
00:09:34:06	00:09:35:22	But we came to the conclusion
00:09:35:22	00:09:37:02	that the people that don't know
00:09:37:02	00:09:39:10	as much may not be as careful
00:09:39:10	00:09:40:28	to how they use it,
00:09:40:28	00:09:42:23	how that may affect people.
00:09:42:23	00:09:43:25	>> I think it'd be
00:09:43:25	00:09:45:21	more respectful.
00:09:45:21	00:09:47:28	Like, we're using it.
00:09:47:28	00:09:49:05	>> Showing respect.
00:09:49:05	00:09:50:18	>> Like in here,
00:09:50:18	00:09:52:05	they're saying how like,
00:09:52:05	00:09:53:20	they got the information wrong.
00:09:53:20	00:09:54:25	And they're saying that this
00:09:54:25	00:09:56:10	one mascot was this chief, but
00:09:56:10	00:09:58:18	in reality, he wasn't actually.
00:09:58:18	00:10:00:01	>> It does impact your children.
00:10:00:01	00:10:01:04	That's what this American
00:10:01:04	00:10:02:19	Psychological Association found.
00:10:02:19	00:10:04:22	I'm saying that because they're
00:10:04:22	00:10:07:10	using Indians as mascots,
00:10:07:10	00:10:09:14	the only reason people
00:10:09:14	00:10:10:20	are getting upset
00:10:10:20	00:10:11:19	is because of the past history
00:10:11:19	00:10:13:29	that America has had with them.
00:10:13:29	00:10:15:04	>> I have a video.
00:10:15:04	00:10:16:25	It's about ten minutes long.
00:10:16:25	00:10:18:07	It's going to talk
00:10:18:07	00:10:19:10	about this issue.
00:10:19:10	00:10:20:12	And what this issue does,
00:10:20:12	00:10:21:19	is it brings it now,
00:10:21:19	00:10:22:29	down to Wisconsin's level,
00:10:22:29	00:10:24:17	at our state level.
00:10:24:17	00:10:25:28	So, you're going to meet some
00:10:25:28	00:10:28:10	kids from Prescott, Wisconsin.
00:10:28:10	00:10:29:19	They do not have an Indian
00:10:29:19	00:10:31:02	mascot, but a number of schools
00:10:31:02	00:10:32:20	in their conference do.
00:10:32:20	00:10:34:08	They are looking more broadly.
00:10:34:08	00:10:35:15	Now, we're kind of narrowing
00:10:35:15	00:10:36:25	the issue a little bit,
00:10:36:25	00:10:38:05	and they can see kids their age
00:10:38:05	00:10:39:11	and what they felt
00:10:39:11	00:10:41:06	about the issue.
00:10:42:29	00:10:44:05	>> Being non-Indian people,
00:10:44:05	00:10:45:04	there's a lot of people
00:10:45:04	00:10:46:00	who would say,
00:10:46:00	00:10:47:17	"Why do you care?"
00:10:47:17	00:10:48:18	Why should you care
00:10:48:18	00:10:50:12	about an issue like this?
00:10:50:12	00:10:51:16	>> We had to write an essay
00:10:51:16	00:10:52:22	on our opinion, about do you
00:10:52:22	00:10:53:27	think Native American mascots
00:10:53:27	00:10:55:18	are offensive.
00:10:55:18	00:10:56:20	>> It hurts the self-esteem
00:10:56:20	00:10:58:00	of Native Americans.
00:10:58:00	00:10:59:14	>> It hits close to home,
00:10:59:14	00:11:01:01	because we have a bunch
00:11:01:01	00:11:02:07	of schools in our area
00:11:02:07	00:11:04:01	that do have Indian mascots.
00:11:04:01	00:11:05:21	I know Native Americans,
00:11:05:21	00:11:06:28	hearing them say,
00:11:06:28	00:11:09:10	"That's very offensive to me,"
00:11:09:10	00:11:13:02	made way more of an impact.
00:11:13:02	00:11:14:07	>> How many of you,
00:11:14:07	00:11:15:13	raise your hand, if you have an
00:11:15:13	00:11:17:12	opinion on this issue right now?
00:11:17:12	00:11:19:00	Okay.
00:11:19:00	00:11:20:28	How many of you are still
00:11:20:28	00:11:24:09	forming your opinion right now?
00:11:24:09	00:11:25:17	Okay, all right.
00:11:25:17	00:11:26:24	This is kind of interesting.
00:11:26:24	00:11:28:18	So, I'm going to open it up now,
00:11:28:18	00:11:29:29	and let's address our question.
00:11:29:29	00:11:32:10	And our question is,
00:11:32:10	00:11:34:11	should Wisconsin ban the use
00:11:34:11	00:11:36:26	of American Indian mascot logos
00:11:36:26	00:11:39:21	in their public schools?
00:11:39:21	00:11:40:28	In the discussion that we had
00:11:40:28	00:11:43:12	today, it started a little slow.
00:11:43:12	00:11:45:16	And so, just allowing students,
00:11:45:16	00:11:47:15	kind of that space,
00:11:47:15	00:11:49:03	to kind of think about it.
00:11:49:03	00:11:50:23	>> I think because
00:11:50:23	00:11:52:21	it'll affect a lot of people,
00:11:52:21	00:11:54:24	I think it should be voted on
00:11:54:24	00:11:56:07	by the people, instead of
00:11:56:07	00:11:58:22	the elected, the committee.
00:11:58:22	00:12:00:02	>> What do you mean?
00:12:00:02	00:12:01:12	>> It should be on the ballot.
00:12:01:12	00:12:02:12	>> Oh, so you think this should
00:12:02:12	00:12:03:18	be a referendum question
00:12:03:18	00:12:05:05	for everyone to weigh in on.
00:12:05:05	00:12:06:10	>> Yeah.
00:12:06:10	00:12:07:14	>> I think you need to
00:12:07:14	00:12:08:13	look at how the mascot
00:12:08:13	00:12:09:23	is being depicted, like,
00:12:09:23	00:12:12:02	Cleveland's baseball mascot,
00:12:12:02	00:12:14:02	I mean, that's pretty bad.
00:12:14:02	00:12:15:24	But otherwise, there are some
00:12:15:24	00:12:17:19	that it's just an arrow
00:12:17:19	00:12:19:03	with a feather.
00:12:19:03	00:12:20:22	>> But it does show honor, that
00:12:20:22	00:12:23:01	they chose Native Americans,
00:12:23:01	00:12:24:23	you know, to be their mascot.
00:12:24:23	00:12:26:08	But what the dishonor is,
00:12:26:08	00:12:27:29	is how they portray them,
00:12:27:29	00:12:29:04	like with the dances
00:12:29:04	00:12:30:17	and the tomahawk chop,
00:12:30:17	00:12:32:22	and stuff like that.
00:12:32:22	00:12:34:14	Like, with the dances
00:12:34:14	00:12:35:26	and the war cries, too.
00:12:35:26	00:12:36:27	Native Americans,
00:12:36:27	00:12:38:01	when they do those things,
00:12:38:01	00:12:39:04	it means something.
00:12:39:04	00:12:41:04	And for them, it's just like,
00:12:41:04	00:12:42:08	just doing it.
00:12:42:08	00:12:43:11	They don't know
00:12:43:11	00:12:44:24	what they're doing.
00:12:44:24	00:12:46:14	>> If people, if they're not
00:12:46:14	00:12:47:21	okay with all the dancing,
00:12:47:21	00:12:48:20	and stuff, then they
00:12:48:20	00:12:49:20	probably shouldn't be using
00:12:49:20	00:12:50:24	their mascots.
00:12:50:24	00:12:51:23	Because the purpose
00:12:51:23	00:12:53:20	that we have them for
00:12:53:20	00:12:54:22	is to get everybody going.
00:12:54:22	00:12:55:23	So, I don't know if it's
00:12:55:23	00:12:56:26	necessarily that we're being
00:12:56:26	00:12:58:01	disrespectful to their culture,
00:12:58:01	00:12:59:28	or if we're just doing what
00:12:59:28	00:13:01:19	the whole purpose, in our minds,
00:13:01:19	00:13:03:13	of what a mascot is.
00:13:03:13	00:13:04:20	>> Okay, so what I'm hearing
00:13:04:20	00:13:06:00	you say, Sarah, is that
00:13:06:00	00:13:07:02	you're having trouble,
00:13:07:02	00:13:08:09	where do you draw the line.
00:13:08:09	00:13:09:08	>> Yeah.
00:13:09:08	00:13:10:08	>> It's hard to draw that line
00:13:10:08	00:13:11:09	a little bit.
00:13:11:09	00:13:12:18	Interesting.
00:13:12:18	00:13:14:16	>> I think we should ask,
00:13:14:16	00:13:16:07	like in that article,
00:13:16:07	00:13:17:23	the actual Native Americans,
00:13:17:23	00:13:19:00	and see what they think.
00:13:19:00	00:13:20:10	And if they don't mind it,
00:13:20:10	00:13:21:21	it shouldn't be changed
00:13:21:21	00:13:22:29	because it's not offending
00:13:22:29	00:13:24:15	many people at all.
00:13:24:15	00:13:25:19	>> There's always going to be
00:13:25:19	00:13:26:21	people that don't agree,
00:13:26:21	00:13:27:19	so you might as well
00:13:27:19	00:13:29:10	just kind of play it safe.
00:13:29:10	00:13:30:12	>> But if we do what Morgan
00:13:30:12	00:13:31:14	says, then we're going to have
00:13:31:14	00:13:33:00	to try and please everyone.
00:13:33:00	00:13:35:01	And like, you can't do that,
00:13:35:01	00:13:36:04	because someone is always going
00:13:36:04	00:13:37:27	to be offended by something,
00:13:37:27	00:13:39:29	or not like something else.
00:13:39:29	00:13:41:22	>> All right, thank you guys.
00:13:41:22	00:13:42:23	You can leave the desks
00:13:42:23	00:13:43:24	how they are.
00:13:43:24	00:13:45:02	I'll fix them.
00:13:45:02	00:13:46:15	Over all, I was pleased with how
00:13:46:15	00:13:48:05	they engaged with the materials,
00:13:48:05	00:13:49:14	how they talked to one another,
00:13:49:14	00:13:50:28	and I thought
00:13:50:28	00:13:52:21	they did pretty well.
00:14:01:11	00:14:02:27	>> For more information,
00:14:02:27	00:14:04:13	visit us on the Web at:
00:14:04:13	00:14:08:21	ecb.org/engage