WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.280 animals. This system of testing is broken. It's been broken for a very long time. 00:06.280 --> 00:14.320 The data show that in more than 90% of cases where a new drug passes muster in 00:14.320 --> 00:20.160 10 years of animal tests, when it then goes to human clinical trials, it fails 00:20.160 --> 00:25.240 for the 90% of the time. You know the NBA playoffs are happening now. If you 00:25.240 --> 00:31.520 had a free throw shooter who hit one of every 10 free throws, that person, that 00:31.520 --> 00:37.360 player would be on the bench. Why is a 92% failure rate considered some sort of 00:37.360 --> 00:43.920 success? And the reality is the world is moving ahead. We have innovation in 00:43.920 --> 00:53.320 every part of our economy, transportation, communications, aviation. There's anything 00:53.320 --> 00:58.680 today and any of those realms looked like it did in 1938. When we passed the 00:58.680 --> 01:04.320 federal food drug and cosmetics act with this animal testing standard, no it does 01:04.320 --> 01:11.400 not. We now have organs on a chip. These are human cells that are aggregated in a 01:11.400 --> 01:16.600 micro physiological system to replicate what a human liver would do with the 01:16.600 --> 01:23.880 drug. For a kidney, we have organoids. We have AI that can look at all of the 01:23.880 --> 01:30.880 data that exists all over the world on a drug and quickly deliver outcomes that 01:30.880 --> 01:36.800 are understandable and give us a pathway for safer testing. The idea that we 01:36.800 --> 01:41.960 don't have alternatives is absurd, especially when you consider that the 01:41.960 --> 01:49.720 baseline is so deeply flawed. So we are calling, and I know Lori has already 01:49.720 --> 01:52.960 done this, I know she's going to say a word about this, but we are asking this 01:52.960 --> 01:58.880 federal administration and its public health agencies who have actually made 01:58.880 --> 02:05.160 the most important set of statements ever by any administration. The best 02:05.160 --> 02:09.880 statements in moving away from animal testing, we're asking them to put those 02:09.920 --> 02:14.760 principles into practice because we cannot rescue our way out of these 02:14.760 --> 02:22.440 problems. We need front-end solutions in order to protect these animals from 02:22.440 --> 02:29.080 treatment broadly that is unacceptable in our modern Europe. And when you have 02:29.080 --> 02:35.560 superior alternatives, you must choose them because the animal's lives matter. 02:36.000 --> 02:42.120 They matter to them as much as our lives matter to us. And before I turn this 02:42.120 --> 02:47.000 over to Lori, I just want to say that not only are we, you know, excited to work 02:47.000 --> 02:51.400 with her and take on the rescue, which has done so much important work. Thank you 02:51.400 --> 02:56.320 for all the lifesaving work that you've done. I want to thank also our 02:56.320 --> 03:01.800 partners here. Shannon Keith with with Beagle Freedom Project is not here, but 03:01.840 --> 03:08.280 Shannon does a super job in caring for Beagles in particular as protocols that 03:08.280 --> 03:12.360 we will be following. I know Lori's standards are going to be tip-top in 03:12.360 --> 03:18.800 terms of her overseeing 1000 of the dog moving into adoption. We have Eileen 03:18.800 --> 03:23.560 Ribbons here, the Wisconsin Puppy Mill Project. Eileen, thank you for supporting 03:23.560 --> 03:30.080 this whole effort in such a meaningful way and helping with really every 03:30.080 --> 03:35.520 aspect of it. We were really excited to have Pam McLeod Smith from the Dane 03:35.520 --> 03:40.840 County Humane Society and thank you for your leadership at a fantastic 03:40.840 --> 03:46.280 organization. And for the 500 dogs at the Center for Humane Economy will be 03:46.280 --> 03:50.880 ultimately responsible for staging is going to occur at the Dane County Humane 03:50.880 --> 03:58.160 Society here. And I also want to know their involvement with the Wisconsin 03:58.240 --> 04:02.720 Federation of Humane Society. And I want to also shout out Paul Collins, our 04:02.720 --> 04:08.840 Wisconsin State Director, Paul, where are you? There you are. And finally, I want to 04:08.840 --> 04:14.480 thank the former chair of the board of the Dane County Humane Society and a 04:14.480 --> 04:18.440 board member of Animal Wellness Action, which is the other organization that I 04:18.440 --> 04:26.240 lead. Joseph Goode was the attorney on a pro bono basis when negotiating a 04:26.280 --> 04:31.920 disagreement, talking with me and Lori daily. And Joseph, thank you for your 04:31.920 --> 04:37.720 outstanding work and this really exciting outcome for for the vehicles here in 04:37.720 --> 04:42.600 Dane County. So Lori, thank you again. And I'm looking forward to hearing your 04:42.640 --> 04:43.160 thoughts. 04:46.160 --> 04:54.520 So hello, I am Marty Simmons, LAU, R E E S I M M O and S, founder and 04:54.520 --> 05:01.760 president of Big Dog Branch Rescue, which is the largest no pill, page free 05:01.760 --> 05:09.520 rescue in the United States. So today is about doing what is right for the 05:09.520 --> 05:15.920 big goals and making sure these dogs are safe. From the beginning, it was 05:15.920 --> 05:22.040 critically important to me and all of us at Big Dog Branch that there was a real 05:22.080 --> 05:29.080 safety net in place. We wanted a structured responsible plan that 05:29.080 --> 05:36.000 guarantees every one of these dogs is safely transitioned into the care of 05:36.000 --> 05:43.280 reputable fully vetted rescue organizations, including ourselves, places 05:43.280 --> 05:48.840 where they will receive essential medical care, including space and 05:48.840 --> 05:56.840 tutors, along with love and compassion that they so deserve. All of this while 05:56.840 --> 06:03.400 being prepared for their future and loving homes. At the end of the day, that's 06:03.400 --> 06:12.280 what matters most. When organizations leaders and advocates work together, real 06:12.320 --> 06:19.160 progress is possible. And that's what this moment represents. Across this 06:19.200 --> 06:28.840 entire effort, all 1500 of these big girls are now beginning a new chapter, one 06:28.840 --> 06:37.960 focused on care, stability, socialization, and making sure every dog has the best 06:37.960 --> 06:45.320 possible outcome. Several hundred of these dogs will be going to our two 06:45.320 --> 06:52.760 Big Dog Branch campuses, one in Palm Beach County, one in Alabama, with the 06:52.760 --> 06:59.960 remaining dogs placed with our rescue partners across the country. Organizations 06:59.960 --> 07:07.800 we know and trust. These dogs are going to need time. They will need patients. They 07:07.800 --> 07:14.440 will need support as they adjust to environments they have never experienced 07:14.440 --> 07:21.720 for. They will learn kindness and what it means to be loved, how to walk on a 07:21.720 --> 07:29.800 leash and see sunshine and grass beneath their feet. We're not just moving dogs. 07:29.800 --> 07:38.040 We are preparing them for life. We appreciate the cooperation and coordination 07:38.040 --> 07:44.360 that made this possible, especially the work done alongside Center for the 07:44.360 --> 07:51.560 Main Economy. We work together for almost a month to ensure the right plan was in place. 07:52.520 --> 07:58.200 This is what happens when you have collaborative engagement, a shared goal. 07:59.000 --> 08:06.440 You get solutions that save lives. I also want to acknowledge the role that 08:06.440 --> 08:14.600 animal advocates and activists in the public had in this. The courage of these 08:14.600 --> 08:23.000 animal advocates and everyone who spoke up and made this possible. It's a powerful step 08:23.960 --> 08:27.320 forward towards a much larger mission. 08:30.200 --> 08:38.280 This is exactly what Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been 08:38.280 --> 08:47.160 advocating for his make America healthy again agenda. It's about using the best, most accurate 08:47.720 --> 08:52.360 science available to protect human and animal health. 08:54.040 --> 09:01.480 And that includes how we conduct research because the reality is science has changed. 09:01.480 --> 09:09.480 There's growing consensus that traditional animal testing models, including those using dogs, 09:09.480 --> 09:18.600 are not consistently predictive of human outcomes. In fact, even the FDA has acknowledged 09:18.600 --> 09:27.880 that the vast majority of drugs that succeed in animal testing never really translate successfully 09:27.880 --> 09:38.040 to humans. The NIH has also acknowledged that animal models may not reliably replicate complex 09:38.040 --> 09:43.800 human diseases, which can limit their predictive value in drug development. 09:44.520 --> 09:54.120 And it's why we are pushing so hard towards newer, more reliable ways of testing that are based on 09:54.120 --> 10:03.480 human biology and give us far more accurate results. This isn't just about animal welfare, 10:03.480 --> 10:12.440 it's about better science, to balance more and more humane innovation without causing harm to 10:12.440 --> 10:21.480 innocent animals. I'm calling on RFK Jr. to open the Office of Research Innovation, 10:21.960 --> 10:31.640 Validation and Application Arriva. To advance non-animal biomedical research methods, 10:32.760 --> 10:44.040 we need continued action by HHS, NIH, and the FDA. Continued investment in full implementation 10:44.040 --> 10:54.600 of programs that will accelerate this transition because progress only matters if they follow through 10:54.600 --> 11:03.480 on their words they have publicly stated. Today is an important step forward because it is part 11:03.480 --> 11:11.320 of a larger shift in how we protect the animals and how we approach science and how we take 11:11.320 --> 11:20.760 responsibility for doing things more humanely and better. A big dog ranch rescue and center 11:20.760 --> 11:28.280 for humane economy together, we are committed to working and pushing this agenda forward, 11:28.840 --> 11:36.760 humanely and collaboratively. And most important of all, today, these dogs have a future. 11:37.400 --> 11:40.760 Thank you to everyone who made this possible. 11:45.240 --> 11:51.400 You know, Laurie, when you were speaking, you made me think of, you know, my iPhone 17. 11:52.600 --> 11:58.680 What if I came in here with a crank phone or a flip phone? You would think I was so incredibly 11:58.680 --> 12:04.120 old-fashioned. While young people, if you have the iPhone 13, you're, you know, archaic, 12:05.080 --> 12:11.560 how can we possibly think that this method that was really enshrined in the 1930s is a good way 12:11.560 --> 12:18.520 to do science? We have to get beyond it. You know, I have beagles. I've had beagles for a long time. 12:19.240 --> 12:28.200 They are just the most trusting, incredible creatures. And their own trust is exploited 12:28.280 --> 12:33.880 when they're used in a laboratory setting. That's why they're used. It's because they're so compliant. 12:33.880 --> 12:43.000 They're so obedient in this way. I want to ask Pam, in terms of the Dane County Humane Society, 12:43.000 --> 12:49.800 I know people are going to want to, you know, obtain dogs. We're probably not going to have enough 12:49.800 --> 12:55.880 to go around for the demand given the incredible interest in these animals. What should people do, 12:55.880 --> 13:03.320 Pam, to signal their interest? Why don't you tell them out for a quick moment, if you want. 13:07.160 --> 13:10.600 And joining her is Amy Goode with the Dane County Humane Society. 13:12.280 --> 13:16.200 Hi, everybody. So, I am short. 13:18.680 --> 13:24.280 All right, Dane County Humane Society is just so incredibly excited to be part of this project. 13:24.280 --> 13:28.840 This has been happening in our backyard for so long. And so many people have made this 13:28.840 --> 13:34.680 possible today, especially our partners here with Big Dog Ranch Rescue and the Center for Humane 13:34.680 --> 13:41.880 Economy. So, right now our group is going to be staging 500 of the dogs at the Dane County Humane 13:41.880 --> 13:48.760 Society once Lori's team gets their dogs off and out to all of their rescue partners. So, stay 13:48.760 --> 13:54.360 tuned on our website at give shelter.org slash originally meagles. We'll have all the information 13:54.360 --> 13:59.080 there. If people are interested in adopting, they can express their interest there. Well, of course, 13:59.640 --> 14:04.760 gladly accept donations to take care of these pups because there's a lot of work to do in the 14:04.760 --> 14:10.120 days ahead to get them ready for their new homes. And we know right now shelters and rescues 14:10.120 --> 14:15.400 everywhere are already full of animals. No one group can do this alone. That's why we're networking 14:15.400 --> 14:20.440 with our trusted rescues and partners to get these dogs spread out throughout the United States. 14:20.440 --> 14:25.720 But around 500 of them will be staying in the Midwest. And we're anticipating at least 50 will 14:25.720 --> 14:30.840 be up for adoption at Dane County Humane Society in the coming weeks. Great. Thank you guys. Thank 14:30.840 --> 14:39.320 you. Stay up here now. Yeah. You want to say something with your dogs? Yeah. So, approximately 14:39.320 --> 14:48.840 300 of the dogs will go to directly to our big dog ranch rescue campuses in Florida and in 14:48.840 --> 14:59.880 Alabama. If anybody is interested in adopting, you can go to our website at bdr.org fill out an 14:59.880 --> 15:06.760 application. They will not be ready right away. We want to do this right. We want to give them the 15:06.760 --> 15:15.880 time to transition, get them spayed and neutered. We will also be releasing our rescue partners 15:15.880 --> 15:22.040 where our dogs, other dogs are going throughout the nation. Sure, there's going to be something 15:22.040 --> 15:30.440 in their state. And we will be releasing that probably next Thursday or Friday. All of us will 15:30.440 --> 15:37.480 need your support with donations. This is a major undertaking. All of the rescue partners 15:37.480 --> 15:45.880 that we send out to will also. So, I hope you open your hearts in your homes to make this possible 15:45.880 --> 15:54.200 for a great future for all these dogs. Thank you. Great. And I just want to say closing before we 15:54.280 --> 15:59.480 take questions, I want to underscore a few of the bigger picture requests that we 16:01.240 --> 16:06.680 everyone understand where this issue needs to go to protect bagels and other animals all across 16:06.680 --> 16:11.480 the country and major institutions and with tens of billions of dollars spent by our federal 16:11.480 --> 16:16.440 government to drive research. National Institutes of Health is the largest research funder in the 16:16.440 --> 16:23.560 world. So, we're asking for NIH funding ban on experiments that involve the use of dogs and 16:23.560 --> 16:29.240 primates. Of course, here in Dane County, you have a primate research facility, one of the 16:29.240 --> 16:35.160 eight or so primary facilities. The Department of Health and Human Services has already said 16:35.160 --> 16:40.040 that the Oregon Health Sciences University primary facility, which is the biggest primate 16:40.040 --> 16:47.720 facility they want to help fund that program to turn it into a primate sanctuary as an incredible 16:47.720 --> 16:54.760 template. Second, we want the FDA to finalize the rulemaking for the FDA Modernization Act 2.0, 16:54.760 --> 17:00.360 so we can race ahead into this new environment. The Senate passed the unanimously, the U.S. Senate. 17:00.360 --> 17:08.280 The House leadership is delaying and dealing and it should do so no longer. Third, again, 17:08.760 --> 17:15.560 tied in with what's happening at the primate centers, which are funded by the United States, 17:16.200 --> 17:22.280 moving them toward sanctuaries, and then tying that in, and Secretary Kennedy already spoke about 17:22.280 --> 17:29.560 this, the idea of banning primate imports. We are capturing primates in the wild in Cambodia 17:30.120 --> 17:35.320 and other nations, and we are importing tens of thousands of them into the United States 17:35.320 --> 17:40.120 for experiments that don't work. There are zoonotic disease risks and other risks. 17:40.920 --> 17:50.440 So with that, my colleague Joseph Grove is here and I'm going to take questions here first, 17:50.440 --> 17:55.400 but then we'll get some in the queue there. So please just raise your hand and I'll 17:55.400 --> 17:59.160 apply guess starting here. So how long has this deal been in the meeting and how many 17:59.160 --> 18:12.520 dogs are left at the voxelate? What's that? Well, let me just say that with Joe Good, 18:12.520 --> 18:18.680 our attorney, we've been having discussions for quite a long time, and I'll say that preceded 18:19.240 --> 18:26.200 some of the activity that occurred on the ground of Richmond. We have been focused on this 18:26.200 --> 18:34.600 idea for a long, long time, but it's a difficult, it's a difficult process. We don't know exactly 18:34.600 --> 18:40.360 how many animals, but my best guess estimate, you know, just based on what I get are, you know, 18:40.360 --> 18:46.360 perhaps 500 or remaining, but I don't know, and that is not something that Richmond disclosed to 18:46.360 --> 18:53.800 us in a specific circumstance, right behind you. Yes? How much was the deal all that you guys 18:53.800 --> 18:58.120 had to strike to rescue these dogs? Have you such a basketball kid to go with that? 18:58.120 --> 19:05.960 Yeah, that's a confidential matter. And we're, you know, as non-profit organizations, 19:05.960 --> 19:13.400 we husband or resources, but we wanted to take this moment in the period between present and 19:13.400 --> 19:20.680 July 1st to get as many dogs out. And as I said, we are very excited to continue our discussions 19:20.680 --> 19:27.720 with Richland and to find an exit ramp for the remaining dogs. Just to be sure so you can't say 19:27.720 --> 19:32.840 how much you did pay for the dog. Yes, we did. But you can't say how much you correct by the terms 19:32.840 --> 19:36.360 of the agreement. Yes, sir. Could you repeat the questions as they're asking? Oh, yes, I will. 19:37.640 --> 19:46.760 The question that I just answered was there was a monetary payment. Is that correct? And I said, 19:46.760 --> 19:51.160 yes, there was a monetary payment by the terms of our agreement between the 19:51.160 --> 19:55.880 center of remade economy, big dog ranch rescue, and original farms. We are prohibited from 19:55.880 --> 20:00.040 discussing that. Yes, sir. So I know, original farms are getting up at state breeding license 20:00.040 --> 20:05.640 by July 1st, but he does still have a license through the U.S. game exactly until 2028, I guess. 20:05.640 --> 20:10.120 Are you still concerned with Richland still being in operation even after this deal goes through now? 20:11.000 --> 20:15.400 We, we, by the terms of the agreement, we're really not going to talk too much about 20:15.400 --> 20:20.680 original. There are a lot of other sources out there that you can consult in that regard. 20:20.680 --> 20:27.160 But I think you heard from me and also from Lori that we want to move on, you know, beyond animal 20:27.160 --> 20:33.560 testing all over the country. We're not picking on any one institution and it just doesn't work. 20:34.440 --> 20:40.360 Yes, sir. You mentioned non-human primates. The University of Wisconsin has in their most recent 20:40.360 --> 20:45.320 USDA annual report from 2024 more than a thousand of them, more than 600 involved in 20:45.960 --> 20:52.200 experiments classified as painful for causing distress. Any message to University of Wisconsin? 20:52.200 --> 20:57.240 What do you would like to see happen with how that works? I mean, primates, you know, on the 20:58.280 --> 21:05.800 phylogenetic tree are closer to us than dogs. They, you know, share an incredible percentage 21:05.800 --> 21:12.520 or genetic material. They, you know, clearly are conscious. They have social needs. They have 21:12.520 --> 21:19.480 specific behavioral needs as animals who live in nature and find trees. And it's just impossible 21:19.480 --> 21:24.920 to replicate those conditions in a laboratory, animal setting, even the best sanctuary struggle 21:24.920 --> 21:31.400 to do that. And again, my comments about the failure rate don't just apply to dogs. And I will 21:31.400 --> 21:36.920 note that while I do believe that the public health leaders within the Trump administration 21:36.920 --> 21:42.440 have spoken on more against animal testing than any other administration, the prior NIH directors 21:43.800 --> 21:51.080 have said that the animal testing model is broken. This is not the view of an animal welfare advocate. 21:51.080 --> 21:57.720 This is the reiterating of an emerging scientific consensus that animal testing is simply not reliable. 21:58.680 --> 22:03.080 And when you then compare it to these new methods with all of the innovation that's happening 22:03.080 --> 22:08.120 every day, again, we shouldn't be using crank phones. We shouldn't be using flip phones. 22:08.840 --> 22:14.840 The world is changing. Let's embrace this. Was there, yes. Laura Trump is on the board for 22:14.840 --> 22:19.880 big dog ranch rescue obviously, posting a video a couple of weeks ago saying that Richland had 22:20.600 --> 22:25.880 denied a $1 million deal. So it's safe to say that this deal going through is well over a million 22:25.880 --> 22:30.600 dollars. Can you give a rough estimate as a follow-up to that? What is Laura Trump's role in this? 22:30.600 --> 22:40.520 I'm going to say, no, it was not over that. I can't, as our contract says, disclose the amount. 22:42.600 --> 22:49.640 Money was the only way we could guarantee the safe future of these dogs. We did not want them to 22:49.720 --> 22:59.240 be sold off into other testing labs. So lots of donors came forward supporters and organizations 22:59.960 --> 23:07.960 that donated to both of our organizations to get these dogs released. We cannot disclose 23:07.960 --> 23:14.840 the amount, but I can tell you that it was well under what Laura had put out there. 23:15.480 --> 23:20.200 Laura is a huge animal advocate. We've been working together 23:21.720 --> 23:29.400 since we started to shut down greenhouse racing. Many, many years ago, she had three big goals, 23:29.400 --> 23:38.360 one just recently passed away. But she's a passionate animal lover and really was instrumental in 23:38.360 --> 23:45.320 putting the what we call the strength force with the DOJ's office, with 23:46.120 --> 23:56.520 Secretary Rollins from Secretary of Agriculture and the USDA and RFK's office together to all work 23:56.520 --> 24:04.520 together to make animal welfare better. The Trump administration is very committed to it. 24:05.080 --> 24:11.240 If you want to see more about this, please tune in to Laura Trump's show, My View, 24:12.040 --> 24:19.960 Fox News, Saturday night, nine o'clock Eastern time, and you'll hear more about her failings 24:19.960 --> 24:25.720 and her involvement in this rescue. Yes, let me get a, yes, sir. 24:25.720 --> 24:29.560 I want to get back to Rachel and if I can, both of you mentioned the events over the last six weeks 24:29.560 --> 24:34.440 or so, the activists and the public pressure. What role did that play either on your side or on 24:34.440 --> 24:40.440 vigilant side and get this deal done? Well, I just speak for myself that we've been in discussions 24:40.440 --> 24:46.680 preceding any of that. So this has been a long standing concern of mine and of the 24:46.680 --> 24:52.520 center of the economy. Again, remember, within 18 months of introduction in Congress, we got the 24:52.520 --> 24:57.560 FDA modernization Act 2.0 passed and the Beagles were a part of that. We've been digging into this. 24:58.520 --> 25:05.320 Obviously, we've been concerned about the Beagle and Marshall bio resources. So I do think it's 25:05.320 --> 25:11.560 incredible. There's been an outpouring and so many manifestations of concern about animals 25:11.560 --> 25:16.360 and testing. I think it's a new moment there. And I think you're seeing it with pundits and 25:16.360 --> 25:22.760 you're seeing it with lawmakers and you're seeing it with the public. So it's all kind of a rising 25:22.760 --> 25:28.200 tide. Did that add to the pressure to get the deal done? I mean, I can't speak for Rachel. 25:28.200 --> 25:34.840 You'd have to ask the folks that, yes. So these people are going to be available for adoption 25:34.840 --> 25:40.440 and you know, what kind of issues are these people going to maybe carry with them? What should 25:40.440 --> 25:45.400 families be prepared for when applying to adopt some of these animals? Sure, Lori. 25:46.200 --> 25:54.040 And then the question was, the conditions or the behavior of the animals and how will they adjust 25:54.040 --> 26:00.760 to their new living environments? What kind of things can adopters think about in terms of some 26:00.760 --> 26:11.320 of the challenges? So any dog that has been raised in a confinement situation, a testing laboratory, 26:11.320 --> 26:19.160 a puppy mill, and cages is going to go through a transition period. They don't know what it's 26:19.160 --> 26:26.440 like to be in a home. They don't know what it's like to be outside, walk on grass. They don't know, 26:27.720 --> 26:38.280 you know, normal things that a normal dog from a normal situation, it's all new to them. So people 26:38.280 --> 26:45.880 will need to be very patient. They will need to understand things could turn around for each 26:45.880 --> 26:55.160 dog differently as far as time. Some could take months, some could take longer. So being prepared 26:55.160 --> 27:02.840 to have the patients, give the love, earn that trust to these dogs is very important for each 27:02.920 --> 27:10.360 person considering to give one of these dogs a home. Each one of the rescues will start it, 27:10.360 --> 27:17.800 do the beginnings, and hopefully not adopt out until they're ready. But any adopter needs to know 27:18.600 --> 27:24.200 it's going to take love and time. And did you have anything you wanted to add 27:24.200 --> 27:29.960 to that question in general in terms of socializing animals? So if that is satisfactory, 27:30.920 --> 27:37.960 yeah. Not that I thought that it was incomplete. Let me ask Joseph Grove, 27:38.840 --> 27:47.720 we kind of favored our in office room or in conference room crowd here. Let's take 27:47.720 --> 27:51.560 one or two questions from our online. All right, very good. Thank you for a 27:51.560 --> 27:57.640 most constant public radio. We're being asked about the very specific provisions in the agreement. 27:57.640 --> 28:02.120 You may have already answered this regarding confidentiality, but part of the provisions of 28:02.120 --> 28:09.880 the agreement you can discuss. The question is about about other terms in the agreement that we 28:09.880 --> 28:14.120 can't can we just ask the answer is, you know, we're we're telling you everything that we can tell 28:14.120 --> 28:18.760 you here. All right. And a follow up to that also from Wisconsin public radio. Do you believe 28:18.760 --> 28:24.520 that there will be other vehicles left at Rachel and once the purchase of 1500 vehicles goes through, 28:24.520 --> 28:30.200 was their attempt to purchase more vehicles? Yes. The question is, what about the remaining 28:30.200 --> 28:38.520 vehicles? Are they are their vehicles? And were we attempting or did we attempt to obtain custody 28:38.520 --> 28:45.480 of them? The answer is, as I said before, yes, we don't help any and we want them. And we are, 28:45.480 --> 28:52.520 we are excited about the idea of acquiring them. And we want to invite Rachel and to, you know, 28:52.600 --> 28:59.800 be part of that process. What we obviously need, it's approval. We're doing this through, 28:59.800 --> 29:06.440 through discussion and collaboration and education. And one final, you clarify whether it is 1000 29:06.440 --> 29:14.520 or 1500 dogs being released in this initial tranche. There are 1500 dogs being released in this initial 29:15.320 --> 29:22.360 agreement that was reached between Ridgeland and the Senator of Canada and Victor. I trust 29:22.360 --> 29:29.080 you. One more? No. Okay. Yes. Obviously you've been kind of lobbying at the federal level for a 29:29.080 --> 29:33.480 long time. So you get some changes. There's a lot of things happening in the world right now. 29:33.480 --> 29:38.040 Congress has a lot on its plate. How confident are you that some of these initiatives that you're 29:38.040 --> 29:43.160 advocating for can get done on a federal level? And do you have any plans to lobby on a state level 29:43.480 --> 29:46.040 for some of these issues that are specifically based in Wisconsin? 29:46.600 --> 29:52.360 The question is about the lobbying efforts. And I'll tell you that I'm, I'm very disappointed in 29:52.360 --> 29:58.680 House Republican leaders for not moving the FDA modernization at 3.0. It has tremendous bipartisan 29:58.680 --> 30:05.400 support. Lots of Republicans are strongly behind this legislation. It's being led by Congressman 30:05.400 --> 30:10.840 Buddy Carter, Republican of Georgia, the former health committee chairman. The Senate already passed 30:11.080 --> 30:16.760 so both Ron Johnson and Tammy Baldwin supported it, right? They are one of the few states that has a 30:16.760 --> 30:24.040 split delegation by party and they both supported it as have all the other senators. So Congress 30:24.040 --> 30:30.440 needs to stop delaying on this issue. This is not just an issue of animal welfare. This is about 30:30.440 --> 30:36.040 drug pricing. It's about the speed of delivery of drugs. It's about adverse reactions to drugs. 30:36.040 --> 30:41.480 I mean, this is a startling statistic. The fourth leading cause of death in the United States is 30:41.480 --> 30:47.880 adverse reactions to drugs. The animal tests were part of that screening process that resulted in 30:47.880 --> 30:53.560 this. And if you watch some of these pharmaceutical ads, you see, you know, all the side effects, 30:53.560 --> 30:58.680 it's the whole run of the narrative that show you. It's while you're tongue, you can have a heart 30:58.680 --> 31:04.680 attack. There are all sorts of side effects from these drugs. That system is not working for us in 31:04.680 --> 31:11.880 the United States. Question here, many more? Yes, again. So last week following, you know, 31:11.880 --> 31:16.200 some of the activists work on, you know, the groups that were on the ground, 31:16.200 --> 31:19.800 originally said that there was a $1 million deal in the works. Do you know, 31:19.800 --> 31:23.720 were they referring to your guys's work? Or did they not have previous knowledge that this 31:23.720 --> 31:29.080 negotiation was ongoing? Again, listen, I mean, I don't, there were a lot of numbers that were 31:29.080 --> 31:34.600 being thrown around. And we were not discussing this with people. This was the confidential 31:34.600 --> 31:40.200 discussion. So there was a lot of stuff flying around. We're here to tell you that we got the 31:40.200 --> 31:45.560 best deal that we could, but we wanted those animals. And that was, that was the bottom line for us. 31:48.920 --> 31:57.080 It completes that answer. That was if we were to get all 2000 of the dogs. 31:57.960 --> 32:02.360 So this was the same. This is, they were talking about your guys' negotiation process, 32:03.000 --> 32:07.240 but I don't know if that was part of that. Yeah. 32:09.000 --> 32:17.080 I think, I think what Laura is saying is that there was, there was, there was some talk in 32:17.080 --> 32:23.480 generally, what is it going to cost to get all these animals out? And, you know, I don't know 32:23.480 --> 32:29.960 what other side discussions were happening, but I don't believe based on Joseph Good's conversations 32:29.960 --> 32:33.640 with the legal counsel for Rich on that, there were a lot of other discussions going on, but 32:33.640 --> 32:38.120 there were a lot of people, a lot of chefs in the kitchen talking about this issue. Yes, sir. 32:38.120 --> 32:42.920 I want to break down the numbers as clearly as possible. So 502 Dane County on behalf of the 32:42.920 --> 32:48.840 Center for Human Economy. I have 300 of Big Dog Ranch Rescue campuses in Florida. Can you tell me 32:48.840 --> 32:55.480 the other, I'm not a math guy. That's 800. Yes. That's 100, 700. Another 700 that Lori will be 32:55.560 --> 33:00.920 working with her partner organization. So she's going to take 300 at her facility this time, 33:00.920 --> 33:05.800 but just like the Center is participating with Dane County Humane and the Wisconsin Public 33:05.800 --> 33:09.880 Health Project and Beagle Freedom Project, she'll be working with other rescues too. 33:09.880 --> 33:13.240 Is it a quick follow-up? Can you tell me how many rescues total involved in this? 33:14.280 --> 33:21.320 Any understanding that you do? Sure. We're working with over 50 partner rescues 33:22.120 --> 33:30.680 that we have fully vetted and that we trust to do right. We will also, as Big Dog Ranch, 33:30.680 --> 33:38.600 be a safety net for anything that doesn't work out for the rescues should they hit something they 33:38.600 --> 33:48.440 can't deal with. Medically or behaviorally or in the future, they will always have that safety net 33:48.440 --> 33:54.520 and be returned to Big Dog Ranch for 1,000 dogs. One last question. 33:58.120 --> 34:02.760 Happened to the remaining dogs that are in the facility. You know, I received a request 34:02.760 --> 34:08.120 of release from Pino saying that they might end up in some facility in Tennessee. In another 34:08.120 --> 34:13.800 research facility, I was in a trip to that around. The question is what about the disposition of 34:13.880 --> 34:19.320 the remaining dogs and what we said we don't know and all I can tell you is that we continue to 34:19.320 --> 34:26.040 feel great urgency in trying to secure those dogs and we will find a home for every single one of them. 34:27.640 --> 34:31.400 Yes, I could follow for Dane County. Wisconsin Humane Society just found information saying 34:31.400 --> 34:36.120 they were going to get $150. Is that part of the 500 that you were with every new one? 34:36.120 --> 34:41.240 Yes, so we are working with Beagle Freedom Project, Wisconsin Puppy Mill Project, 34:41.320 --> 34:46.600 and the Wisconsin Federated Humane Society which is about 40 shelters throughout Wisconsin 34:46.600 --> 34:51.960 and then Wisconsin Humane is taking many of them as well. So lots of partners in Wisconsin who are 34:51.960 --> 34:59.720 going to be watching after these Wisconsin dogs. Okay, thank you all very much for joining us. Thank 34:59.720 --> 35:08.600 you to those of you online and you can reach me at waneatanimalwellnessaction.org. Lori, what's the 35:08.600 --> 35:21.480 contact for you? Lori L-A-R-E-E dot Simmons S-I-M-M-O-S at B-E-R-R dot org. Thank you. 35:22.120 --> 35:26.280 Thank you all very much. Appreciate you being here. Have a good day.