It's performance performance performance that seems obvious, but no faux faux paws and they're looking for a viral moment
That's what they'll be looking for tonight. No handshake
No handshake and there you have governor walls appears to be taking some notes jd vance doing the same as our
colleagues
And they've been shaking hands before before we get the cameras came. That's right
Well, we have the vice presidential debate coming up in a moment. It will be moderated by our own nora odonnell and margar brennan
Ohio senator jd vance and minnesota governor tim walls take the stage while they've taken the stage
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Tonight with just over a month to go until election day the first and only meeting between the two men who hope to become vice president of the united states
democratic governor tim walls of minnesota and republican senator jd vance of ohio
Now this is likely the final debate of this election cycle and voting is already underway in 20 states
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Let's introduce the candidates minnesota's democratic governor tim walls and ohio's republican senator jd vance
tonight meeting for the first time
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Thank you for joining us. Let's get started
Tonight our country is facing several unfolding crises the middle east is on the brink of war
Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of hurricane helene and now a labor strike as 25 000 dock workers
From main to texas our picketing. We're going to begin tonight with the middle east margaret. Thank you nora
Earlier today iran launched its largest attack yet on israel, but that attack failed
Thanks to joint us and israeli defensive action
President biden has deployed more than 40 000 us military personnel and assets to that region
Over the past year to try to prevent a regional war
iran is weakened
But the us still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and it has drastically reduced
The time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon. It is down now to one or two weeks time
Governor walls if you are the final voice in the situation room
Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by israel on iran you have two minutes?
Well, thank you and thank you for those joining home tonight. Uh, let's keep in mind where this started october seven hamash terris
massacred over 1,400 israelis and took prisoners
iran are i
Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental getting its uh hostages back
fundamental and ending the humanitarian crisis in
gaza
But the expansion of israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental
necessity for the united states to have the steady leadership there you saw it experience today
Where along with our uh, israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming
Attack, but what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter
It's clear and the world sawed on that debate stage a few weeks ago
A nearly 80 year old donald trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment
But it's not just that it's those that were closest to donald trump
That understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous his chief of staff john kelly
Said that he was the most flawed human being he'd ever met
And both of his secretary's of defense
And his national security advisors said he should be nowhere near the white house now the person closest to them
The to the donald trump said he's unfit for the highest office. That was senator vance
What we've seen out of vice president harris is we've seen steady leadership
We've seen a calmness that is able to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together
Understanding that our allies matter when our allies see donald trump
Turn towards vladimir puten
Turn towards uh
North korea when we start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalitions together
We will stay committed and as the vice president said today is we will protect our forces and our allied forces and there will be consequences
governor your time is up senator vance the same question
Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by israel on a ron you have two minutes
Some are going to answer the question first of all thanks governor
Thanks to cbs for hosting the debate and thanks most importantly the american people who are watching this evening and caring enough about
This country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate
I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit because I recognize a lot of americans
Don't know who either one of us are
I was raised in a working-class family my mother required food assistance for periods of her life
My grandmother required social security help to raise me
And she raised me in part because my mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life
I went to college on the gi bill after I enlisted in the marine corps and served in iraq
And so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for this country
For the american dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams
And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world
And the feeling that the american dream is unattainable
I want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes
That if we get better leadership in the white house if we get donald trump back in the white house
The american dream is going to be attainable once again
Now to answer this particular question
We have to remember that as much as governor waltz just accused donald trump of being an agent of chaos
Donald trump actually delivered stability in the world and he did it by establishing
effective deterrence people were afraid of stepping out of line
I ran which launched this attack has received over a hundred billion dollars and unfrozen assets
Thanks to the kamala heris administration. What do they use that money for?
They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies and god forbid
Penitially launching against the united states as well
Donald trump recognized that for people to to fear the united states you needed peace through strength
They needed to recognize that if they got out of line the united states global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world
Now you asked about a preemptive strike market and I want to answer the question
Look it is up to israel
What they think they need to do to keep their country safe and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys
I think that's the right approach to take with the israel question
Thank you senator governor waltz do you care to respond to any of the allegations?
Well, look donald trump was in office. We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history
But when donald trump was in office it was donald trump
Who we had a coalition of nations that had boxed iran's nuclear program in the inability to advance it
Donald trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place
So I ran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of donald trump's fickle leadership
And when I ran shot down an american aircraft in international airspace
Donald trump tweeted because that's the standard diplomacy of donald trump and when iranian missiles
Did fall near us troops and they received traumatic brain injuries?
Donald trump wrote it off as headaches
Look our allies understand that donald trump is fickle
He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him
Steady leadership like you witnessed today like you witnessed in april both iranian attacks were repelled
Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that kamala Harris is providing
Senator vans
The us did have a diplomatic deal with iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program and president trump did exit that deal
He recently said just five days ago the us must now make a diplomatic deal with iran because the consequences are impossible
Did he make a mistake you have one minute well first of all Margaret diplomacy is not a dirty word
But I think that's something that governor waltz just said is quite extraordinary
You yourself just said iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been and governor waltz
You blame donald trump who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years and the answer is you're running mate
Not mine
Donald trump consistently made the world more secure now we talk about
The sequence of events that led us to where we are right now and you can't ignore october the seventh
Which I appreciate governor waltz bringing up but when did iran and hamas and their proxies attack israel
It was during the administration of kamala Harris
So governor waltz can criticize donald trump's tweets
But effective smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world
Donald trump has already done it once before ask yourself at home
When when was the last time i'm 40 years old when was the last time that an american president didn't have a major conflict breakout
The only answer is during the four years that donald trump was president
Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to nora. Margaret. Thank you
Let's turn out to hurricane helene the storm could become one of the deadliest on record more than
160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing
Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger
Stronger and more deadly because of the historic rainfall
senator vance according to cbs news polling seven in ten americans and more than 60 percent of republicans under the age of
45 favor the us taking steps to try and reduce climate change
senator what responsibility would the trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change?
I'll give you two minutes. Sure. So first of all, let's let's start with the hurricane because it's an unbelievable unspeakable human tragedy
I just saw today actually a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child
And it was the last photograph ever taken to them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives
And I'm sure governor waltz joins me and saying our hearts go out to those innocent people our prayers go out to them
And we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get to save as many lives as possible
And then of course afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild
I mean, there's communities that I love some of them. I know very personally an apolacha all across the southeast
They need their government to do their job
And I commit that when donald trump is president again
The government will put the citizens of this country first when they suffer from a disaster
Nor are you asked about climate change? I think this is a very important issue
Look a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weathering patterns
I think it's important for us first of all to say
Donald trump and I support clean air clean water
We want the environment to be cleaner and safer
But one of the things that i've noticed some of our democratic friends talking a lot about
Is is a concern about carbon emissions this idea that carbon emissions drives all the climate change
Well, let's just say that's true just for the sake of argument. So we're not arguing about weird science
Let's just say that's true
Well, if you believe that what would you what would you want to do?
The answer is that you'd want to reassure as much american manufacturing as possible
And you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the united states of america
Because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world
What have come all harris's policies actually led to more energy production in china more manufacturing overseas
More doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world
And when I say that I mean the amount of carbon emissions
They're doing per unit of economic output
So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water
The best thing to do is to double down and invest in american workers and the american people and unfortunately
Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite
Governor walls you have two minutes to respond well
We got close to an agreement because all those things are happening look first of all it is a horrific tragedy
With this hurricane and and my heart goes out to the folks that are down there
in contact with the governors. I serve as
Co-chair of the council of governors as we work together on these emergency management's governors
No, no partisanship. They work together to solve the governors and the emergency responders on the ground
Those happen on the front end
The federal government comes in make sure they're there too that we recover
But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there staying focused
Now look coming back to the climate change issue. There's no doubt this thing brought on to the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen
Senator vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past donald trump called it a hoax
And then joke that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in
What we've seen out of the Harris
administration now the bi-nares administration is we've seen this investment. We've seen massive investments the biggest in
Global history that we've seen in the inflation reduction act has created jobs all across the country
2000 in jefferson ville, ohio
Taking the ev technology that we invented and making it here 200,000 jobs across the country the largest solar manufacturing plant
In north america sets in minnesota, but my farmers know climate change is real
They've seen 500 year droughts 500 year floods back to back
But what they're doing is adapting and this has allowed them to tell me look i harvest corn i harvest soybean and harvest wind
We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have we're also producing more clean energy
So the the solution for us is to continue to move forward that climate change is real
Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice
You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country
That's exactly what this administration has done
We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future
Not just the current and that's what absolutely makes sense and then we start thinking about
How do we mitigate these disasters?
Thank you senator. I want to give you an opportunity to respond there the governor mentioned that
President trump has called climate change a hoax do you agree?
Well, look what the president has said is that if the democrats in particular kamala harris and her leadership if they really believe that climate change is serious
What they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the united states of america
And that's not what they're doing so clearly kamala harris herself
Doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this if she did she would actually agree with donald trump's energy policies now
So that's something governor wall said i think it's important to touch upon because when we talk about clean energy
I think that's a slogan that often the democrats will use here
And i'm talking of course about the democratic leadership and the real issue is that if you're spending
Hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of american taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in china
Number one you're going to make the economy dirtier. We should be making more of those solar panels here in the united states of america
Some of them are tem but a lot of them are being made overseas in china
Especially the components that go into those solar panels so if you really want to make the environment cleaner
You've got to invest in more energy production. We haven't built a nuclear facility
I think one in the past 40 years natural gas. We got to invest more in it kamala harris has done the opposite
That's raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing this by the time it's up governor
Would you like to respond?
Well, look we're producing more natural gas we ever have there's no moratorium on that we're producing more oil
But the folks know and all my like I said again
These are not liberal folks. These are not folks that are green new deal folks
These are farmers that have been drought one year massive flooding the next year
They understand that it makes sense. Look our number one export
Cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms. We saw it in minnesota this summer
And thinking about how do we respond to that?
We're thinking ahead on this and what kamala harris has been able to do in minnesota
We're starting to weatherproof some of these things the infrastructure law that was passed
Allows us to think about mitigation in the future. How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines?
How do we make sure that we're protecting lake fronts and things that we're seeing more and more of but to call it a hoax
And to take the oil company executives tomorrow lago say give me money for my campaign
And i'll let you do whatever you want. We can be smarter about that and an all above energy policy
Is exactly what she's doing creating those jobs right here
Governor your time is up. The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate
Margaret. Thank you, nora
We're going to turn now to immigration the crisis at the us mexico border
Consistently ranks as one of the top issue for american voters
senator vance
Your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in american history and to use the us military to do so
Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work?
For example, would you deport parents who have entered the us illegally?
And separate them from any of their children who were born on us soil you have two minutes
So first of all Margaret before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding
We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of donald trump's border policies
94 executive orders suspending deportations decriminalize illegal aliens
Massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system that has opened the floodgates
And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country
I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean
I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris led in fitanol
Into our communities at record levels. So you've got to stop the bleeding
You've got to reimplement donald trump's border policies build the wall
Reimplement deportations and that gets me to your point Margaret about what do we actually do?
So we've got 20 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country
What do we do with them? I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants
About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally
I think you start with deportations on those folks
And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of american workers
A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country
And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work
And the final point Margaret is you ask about family separation right now in this country market
We have 320,000 children that the department of homeland security has effectively lost
Some of them have been sex trafficking some of them hopefully are at homes with their families
Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules the real family separation policy in this country is
Unfortunately Kamala Harris's wide open southern border and i'd ask my fellow americans to remember when she came into office
She said she was going to do this real leadership would be saying you know what i screwed up
We're going to go back to donald trump's border policies. I wish that she would do that. It would be good for all of us
governor
Do you care to respond to any of those specific allegations including that the vice president is quote letting in fentanyl
And using kids as drug mules among other things. Yeah, well
The drug mule is not true
But I will say about this about the fennel because this is a crisis of this the opioid crisis
And the good news on this is is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history
30 percent decrease in ohio but there's still more work to do
But let's go back to this on immigration Kamala Harris was the attorney general of the largest state in a border state in california
She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions
But look we all want to solve that
Most of us want to solve this
And that is the united states congress. That's the border patrol agents. That's the chamber of commerce
That's most americans out here
That's why we had the ferris and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation seen
It was crafted by a conservative senator from oklahoma james lankford
I know he's super conservative, but he's a man of principle once you get it done
Democrats and republicans worked on this piece of legislation the border patrol said this is what we need in here
These are the experts and the chamber of commerce in the wall street journal said pass this thing. Kamala Harris helped get there
1500 new border agents
detection for drugs
DOJ money to speed up these
The adjudications on this just what america wants
But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this donald trump said no
Told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue
It gives him to what would donald trump talk about if we actually did some of these things and they need to be done
By the legislature you can't just do this through the executive branch
So look we have the options to do this donald trump had four years
He had four years to do this and he promised you america how easy it would be i'll build you a big beautiful wall
And mexico will pay for it. Lesson two percent of that wall got built and mexico didn't pay a dime
But here we are again nine years after he came down that escalator
dehumanizing
People and telling him what he was going to do as far as a deportation plan at one point senator van said it was so
Unworkable to be laughable. So that's where we're at past the bill. She'll sign it
governor your time is up uh senator the question was will you separate parents from their children
Even if their kids are us citizens you have one minute
Margaret my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border
I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules
I said that she enabled the mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country
And we know that they use children as drug mules and it is a disgrace and it has to stop
Look, I think what tim said just doesn't pass the smell test for three years
Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo donald trump's border policy
She did exactly that we had a record number of illegal crossings
We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country and now now that she's running for president or a few months before
She says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation
The only thing that she did when she became the vice president when she became the appointed borders are
Was to undo 94
Donald trump executive actions that opened the border
This problem is leading to massive problems in the united states of america
Parents who can't afford health care schools that are overwhelmed
It's got to stop and it will when donald trump is president
Your time is up governor
What about our cbs news polling which does show that a majority of americans more than 50
Support mass deportations look we fixed this issue with a bill that is necessary
But the issue on this is this is what happens when you don't want to solve it you demonize it
And we saw this and and senator vance and it surprises me on this
Talking about and saying I will create stories to bring attention to this
That vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of springfield
The republican governor
Said it's not true. Don't do it. There's consequences for this. There's consequences
We could come together send a link for did it
We could come together and solve this if we didn't let donald trump continue to make it an issue and the consequences in springfield were
the governor had to send
State law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school
I believe senator vance wants to solve this but by standing with donald trump and not working together to find a solution
It becomes a talking point and when it becomes a talking point like this
We dehumanize and villainize other human beings
Governor governor your time is up senator i'll give you one minute, but let me just
Ask you the question first
The governor has made the point and I think as a sitting lawmaker
You know that congress controls the purse strings and any funding
So you have said repeatedly that donald trump would through executive action
Solve this do you disagree?
That congress controls the purse strings and would need to support
Many of the changes that you would actually want to implement you have one minute
Look market first of all the gross majority of what we need to do with the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job
I've been to the southern border more than our borders are common laharis has been and it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents
They just want to be empowered to do their job
Of course additional resources would help
But most of this is about the president and the vice president
Empowering our law enforcement to say if you try to come across the border illegally
You've got to stay in mexico. You've got to go back through proper channels
Now governor waltz brought brought up the community of springfield and he's very worried
About the things that i've said in springfield look in springfield, ohio and in communities all across this country
You've got schools that are overwhelmed you've got hospitals that are overwhelmed
You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with americans
For scarce homes the people that i'm most worried about in springfield ohio are the american citizens who have had their lives destroyed
By kamala harris's open border. It is a disgrace tim and i actually think i agree with you
I think you want to solve this problem, but i don't think that kamala harris does senator your time is up governor
You have one minute to respond yeah, well it it is law enforcement that asked for the bill
They helped craft it they're the ones that supported it it was that's because they know we need to do this
Look this issue of continuing to bring this up of not dealing with it of blaming migrants for everything
On housing we could talk a little bit about wall street speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable, but it becomes a blame
Look this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate i agree
It should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done
This bill gets it done in 90 days
Then you start to make a difference in this and you start to adhere to what we know american principles
I don't talk about my faith a lot
But matthew 2540 talks about to the least amongst us you do one to me
I think that's true of most americans. They simply want order to it. This bill does it
It's funded it's supported by the people who do it and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people
Thank you governor and just to clarify for our viewers springfield, ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants
Who have legal status?
Art mara, but thank you
To i think it's important because i think we're going to turn out of the economy
Thank you
The rules were that you guys were going to fact check and since you're fact checking me
I think it's important to say what's actually going on
So there's an application called the cbp1 app where you can go on as an illegal migrant apply for asylum or apply for parole
And be granted legal status at the wave of a kamala heris open border wand
That is not a person coming in applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years
That is the sanitation of a legal immigration margaret by our own
For describing the legal process
We have so much to get to senator
Those laws have been on the book since 1990. Thank you gentlemen. We want to have that has not been on the books
It's something that's all here is created
Gentlemen your
The audience can't hear you because your mics are cut. We have so much. We want to get to thank you for explaining the legal process
Nora, thank you margaret. The economy is a concern for voters
Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan. So let's talk about the specifics
Governor walls vice president harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing
Housing and a renewed child tax credit
The worton school says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by 1.2 trillion dollars
How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit governor? I'll give you two minutes
Yeah, thank you and and kamala heris and I do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from
We both grew up in that we understand so those of you out there listening tonight. You're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth
And it's good. It's healthy. That's what this is supposed to happen
You should be listening. How's this going to impact me?
The bold forward plan that kamala heris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue
The one thing is there's three million new houses proposed under this plan
With down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house a house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere
It's foundational to where you're at and then making sure that the things you buy every day
Whether they be prescription drugs or other things that there's fairness in that look the 35 dollar insulin is a good thing
But it costs five dollars to make insulate they were charging eight hundred dollars before this law went into effect
As far as the housing goes, I've seen it in minnesota 12 percent more houses in minneapolis prices went down on rent four percent
It's working and then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class
$6,000 tiled tax credit. We have one in minnesota reduces
Childhood poverty by a third we save money in the long run and we do the right thing for families
And then getting businesses off the ground the laws it stands right now is five thousand dollars tax credit
For small business increasing that to 50,000 now. This is a philosophical difference between us
Donald trump made a promise and i'll give you this he kept it
He took folks tomorrow lago. He said you're rich as hell and give you a tax cut
He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class what happened there was an eight trillion dollar
Increase in the national debt the largest ever now he's proposing
A 20 consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in
Everyone agrees including businesses it would be destabilizing it it would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession
Look, this is simple for you. Where are we going?
Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do
We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share when you do that our system works best
More people are participating in it and folks have the things that they need
Senator I want to give you a moment to respond on that
But similarly the worton school has done an analysis of the trump plan
And says it would increase the nation's deficit by 5.8 trillion
My question is the same for you. How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit? I'll give you two minutes
Well, first of all
You're going to hear a lot from Tim waltz this evening and you just heard it in the answer a lot of what Kamala Harris proposed us to do
And some of it i'll be honest with you. It even sounds pretty good
Here's what you won't hear is that Kamala Harris has already done it because she's been the vice president for three and a half years
She had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher
By 25 drive the cost of housing higher by about 60
Open the american southern border and make middle-class life unaffordable for a large number of americans
If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle-class problems then she ought to do them now
Not one asking for promotion
But in the job the american people gave her three and a half years ago
And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans
Now donald trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record
A lot of those same economists attack donald trump's plans and they have phd's
But they don't have common sense and they don't have wisdom because donald trump's economic policies to deliver to the highest
Take-home pay in a generation in this country
1.5 percent inflation and to boot peace and security all over the world
So when people say that donald trump's economic plan doesn't make sense. I say look at the record
He delivered rising take-home pay for american workers
Now tim admirably admits that they want to undo the trump tax cuts
But if you look at what was so different about dald trump's tax cuts even from previous republican tax cut plans
Is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take-home pay to middle class and working class americans
It was passed in 2017 and you saw an american economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country
That is a record that i'm proud to run on and we're going to get back to that common sense wisdom
So that you can afford to live the american dream again. I know a lot of you are struggling
I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills. It's going to stop when donald trump
Brings back common sense to this country governor. Do you want to respond to that?
What has common hair has done for the middle class?
Well common hair says day one was donald trump's failure on covid that led to the collapse for our economy
We were already before covid in a in a manufacturing recession
But 10 million people out of work largest percentage since a great depression
9 million jobs closed on that that was day one whether it was the infrastructure act or other things we moved now
You you made a question about experts said this i've made a note of this
Economists don't know you have to be trusted science can't be trusted national security folks can't be trusted
Look if you're going to be president
You don't have all the answers. Donald trump believes he does my pro tip of the day is this
If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the male clinic in rodchester, minnesota
Not donald trump and the same thing goes with this and is you out there teachers nurses truck drivers, whatever
How is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year?
And donald trump hasn't paid any federal tax tender last 15 years and the last year as president
That's what's wrong with the system. There's a way around it. And he's bragged about that
We're just asking for fairness in it. And that's all you want
Even governor you say trust the experts
But those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to china
We get cheaper goods. They lied about that
They said if we cheap shipped our industrial base off to other countries to mexico and elsewhere
It would make the middle class stronger. They were wrong about that
They were wrong about the idea that if we made america less self-reliant
Less
Productive in our own nation that it would somehow make us better off and they were wrong about it
And for the first time in a generation
Donald trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus
We're not doing it anymore. We're bringing american manufacturing back. We're unleashing american energy
We're going to make more of our own stuff
And this isn't just an economic issue and i've got three beautiful little kids at home
Seven four and two and i love them very much and i hope they're in bed right now
But look so many of the drugs the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us
This has to stop and we're not going to stop it by listening to experts
We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what donald trump governed on senator
You're talking about governor walls. Can you address that? I mean voters say they trust donald trump on the economy more
Why if if you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts you heard what the numbers were
Look, i'm a union guy on this. I i'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas
But I understand that look we produce soybeans and corn. We need to have fair trading partners
That's something that we believe in i think the thing that uh
Most concerns me on this is is donald trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in american history with china
So the rhetoric is good much of what the senator said right there. I'm in agreement with him on this
I watched it happen too. I watched it to my communities and we talked about that but we had
People undercutting the right to collectively bargain. We had right to work states made it more difficult
We had companies that were willing to ship it over and we saw people profit folks that folks that are
Venture capital in some cases putting money into companies that were overseas
We're in agreement that we bring those home. The issue is donald trump is talking about it
Kamala Harris has a record 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just in the out of the ira
But may respond to that. Yes, so so appreciate that
So
If you notice what governor waltz just did is he said first of all donald trump has to listen to the experts
And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up he said well donald trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as this
No, that's the most general that he did
So what tim waltz is doing and i and i honestly tim i think you got a tough job here
Because you've got to play whack-a-mole. You've got to pretend that donald trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay
Which of course he did you've got to pretend that donald trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did
And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record
Which has made gas groceries and housing unaffordable fair american citizens
I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt so that she could put food on the table in our household
I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford
We can do so much better to all of you watching we can get back to an america that's affordable again
We just got to get back to common sense economic principles. I hope we have a conversation on health care then senator governor, please
Thank you. Margaret. We have a lot to get to ahead
Gentlemen on many topics, but right now i want to talk about personal qualifications
The vice president is often the last voice the president hears before making consequential decisions
We want to ask you about your leadership qualities governor walls
You said you were in hong kong during the deadly Tiananmen square protests in the spring of 1989
But minnesota public radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to asia until august of that year
Can you explain that discrepancy?
Yeah, well into the folks out there. It didn't get at the top of this look I uh, I grew up in small rural
Nebraska uh town of 400
Town that you rode your bike with your buddy still the street lights come on and i'm proud of that service
I joined the national guard at 17 worked on family farms
And then I use the gi bill to become a teacher passionate about it a young teacher
Uh my first year out I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to china
35 years ago be able to do that I came back home
And then started a program to take young people there. We would take basketball teams
We would take baseball teams. We would take dancers and we would go back and forth to china
The issue for that was was to try and learn now look my community knows who I am
They saw where I was at they look I I will be the first to tell you I have poured my heart into my community
I've tried to do the best I can but i've not been perfect and i'm a knucklehead at times
But it's always been about that those same people elected me to congress
For 12 years and in congress
I was one of the most bipartisan people working on things like farm bills that we got done working on veterans benefits
And then the people of minnesota
Were able to elect me to governor twice
So look my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that i'm there for the people
To make sure that I get this right. I will say more than anything
Many times I I will talk a lot. I will get caught up in the rhetoric
But being there the impact it made the difference it made in my life. I learned a lot about china
I hear the critiques of this
I would make the case that donald trump should have come on one of those trips with us
I guarantee you he wouldn't be
praising shijin ping about covid and I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing
So this is about trying to understand the world
It's about trying to do the best you can for your community
And then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is
My commitment whether it be through teaching which I was good at or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of congress
Those are the things that I think are the values that people care about
Governor just to follow up on that the question was can you explain the discrepancy all i said on this was is I got there that summer
And misspoke on this so I I will just
That's what i've said
So I was in
punkong in china during the democracy protest went in and from that I learned a lot of
What needed to be in in governance?
Thank you governor
senator vance in 2016 you called your running mate donald trump
Unfit for the nation's highest office and you said he could be america's hitler
I know you've said you've been asked many times and you've said you regret those comments
And explained you then voted for donald trump in 2020
But the washington post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged trump's economic record while he was president
Writing to someone in 2020 quote trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism
Here now is running mate and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his
If you become vice president, why should americans trust that you will give donald trump the advice
He needs to hear and not just the advice he wants to hear you have two minutes
Well, first of all market because i've always been open and sometimes of course i've disagreed with the president
But i've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about donald trump
I was wrong first of all because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dinnest honest fabrications of his record
But most importantly donald trump delivered for the american people
Rising wages rising take-home pay an economy that worked for normal americans a secure southern border
A lot of things frankly that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on and yeah
When you screw up when you miss speak when you get something wrong and you change your mind
You ought to be honest with the american people about it's one of the reasons market
Why i've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the american people
Where I come down on the issues and what change now you you pointed out to messages from 2020
Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the trump administration the first round
If congress was doing its job
I strongly believe and i've been a united states senator that congress is not just a high class debating society
It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems
It's a forum to govern so there were a lot of things on the border on tariffs for example
Where I think that we could have done so much more if the republican congress and the democrats in congress
Had been a little bit better about how they govern the country
They were so obsessed with impeaching donald trump they couldn't actually govern and I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular
Margaret because you know tim just accused this of being a national sales tax
Look the one thing and you know probably surprised to hear me praising joe biden
But the one thing that joe biden did is he continued some of the trump tariffs that protected american manufacturing jobs
And it's the one issue the most pro worker part of the biden administration
It's the one issue where kamala harris has run away from joe biden's record
Think about this if you're trying to employ slave laborers in china at three dollars a day
You're going to do that and undercut the wages of american workers
Unless our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets
Unless you're playing middle class americans a fair wage
senator your time is up
Nora thank you now to the issue of reproductive rights
governor walls after roe versus wade was overturned you signed a bill into law that made minnesota one of the least
Restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion
Former president trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion quote in the ninth month is absolutely fine
Yes or no is that which you support i'll give you two minutes. That's not what the bill says
But look this this issue is what's on everyone's mind
Donald trump put this all in the motion
He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned roe versus wade
52 years of personal autonomy and then he tells us oh we send it to the states. It's a beautiful thing
Amanda zorsky would disagree with you on it's a beautiful thing
A young bride in texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks
She has a complication a tear in the membrane
She needs to go in the medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor
And that would have been an abortion but in texas that would have put them in legal jeopardy
She went home got sepsis nearly dies and now she may have difficulty having children or in kentucky
Hadley duvall a 12 year old child rape and impregnated by her stepfather
Those are horrific now when god asked about that senator vant said two wrongs don't make a right there is no right
in this
So in minnesota what we did was restore roe versus wade. We made sure that we put
Women in charge of their health care, but look this is not where if you don't know amanda or a hadley
You soon will their project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies
It's going to make it more difficult if not impossible to get contraception and limit access if not eliminate
Access to infertility treatments for so many of you out there listening me included infertility treatments are why i have a child
That's nobody else's business
But those things are being proposed and the catch all on this is is well the states will decide
What's right for texas might not be right for washington. That's not how this works. This is basic human right. We have seen
maternal mortality
Sky rocket in texas outpacing many other countries in the world
This is about health care in minnesota. We are ranked first in health care for a reason. We trust women. We trust doctors
senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim? Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency?
No, nor certainly certainly we won't and i want to talk about this issue because i know a lot of americans care about and i know a lot of americans
Don't agree
With everything that i've ever said on this topic and you know i i grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where i knew
A lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies
Because they feel like they didn't have any other options
And you know i i one of them is actually very dear to me and i know she's watching tonight
And i love you and she told me something a couple years ago
That she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship
And i think that what i take from that as a republican who proudly wants to protect
Innocent life in this country who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable is that my party
We've got to do so much better of a job at earning the american people's trust back on this issue where they frankly just don't
Trust us and i think that's one of the things that donald trump and i are endeavoring to do
I want us as a republican party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word
I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies
I want it to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family
And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options
Now, of course, donald trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically
That we have a big country and it's diverse and california has a different viewpoint on this than georgia georgia has a different viewpoint
From arizona and the proper way to handle this as messy as democracy
Sometimes is is to let voters make these decisions
Let the individual states make their abortion policy
And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big a very diverse and let's be honest sometimes
A very very messy and divided country governor would you like to respond and also answer the question about restrictions?
Yeah, well
The question got asked and donald trump made the accusation that wasn't true about minnesota
Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states
There's a young woman named amber thermon. She happened to be in georgia a restrictive state
Because of that she had to travel a long distance to north carolina to try and get her care
amber thermon died
In that journey back and forth
The fact the matter is how can we as a nation?
Say that your life
And your rights as basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography
There's a very real chance had amber thermon lived in minnesota. She would be alive today
That's why the restoration of rovers is weighed when you listen to vice president harris talk about this subject
And you hear me talk about it you hear us talking exactly the same
Donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this
I agree with a lot of what zender vant said about what's happening his running mate though does not and that's the problem
Governor your time is up senator. Let me ask you about that
He mentioned it was I think referring to a national ban in the past you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks
In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that quote
You are making the united states the most barbaric pro abortion regime anywhere in the entire world
My question is why have you changed your position?
Well, nora first of all, I never supported a national ban
I did during when I was running for senate in 2022 talk about setting some minimum national standard for example
We have a partial birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level
I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that or at least I hope not though
I know that democrats have taken a very radical pro abortion stance
But nora, you know one of the things that changed is in the state of ohio
We had a referendum in 2023 and the people of ohio voted overwhelmingly by the way
Against my position and I think that what I learned from that nora is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust
So many young women would love to have families so many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy is something that's going to
Destroy their livelihood destroy their education destroy their relationships and we have got to earn people's trust back
And that's why donald trump and I are committed to pursuing pro family policies making child care more accessible
Making fertility treatments more accessible because we've got to do a better job at that
And that's what real leadership is governor your response
I'm going to respond on the on the pro abortion piece of that. No, we're not
We're pro women. We're pro freedom to make your own choice. We know what the implications are to not be that
Women having miscarriages women not getting the care
Physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care
And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options
Minnesota state to one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates
We understand that too. We know that the options need to be available and we make that true
We also make it we're a top three state
For the best place to raise children
But these two things to try and say that we're pro children, but we don't like this or or you guys are pro abortion
That's not the case at all
We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices
And we're going and Kamala Harris is making the case
To make options for children more affordable a $6,000 child tax credit
But we're not going to base out on the backs of making someone like amber Thurman
Drive 600 miles to try and get health care senator may respond to that first of all governor
I agree with you amber Thurman should still be alive and there are a lot of people who should still be alive
And I certainly wish that she was
And maybe
You're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me
But as I read the minnesota law that you signed into into into into law the statute that you signed into law
It says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care
To a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion
That is I think that's not true. That's not our choice. That is fundamentally barbaric
And that's why I use that word nor is because some of what we've seen
Do you want to force catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will because Kamala Harris is supported suing catholic nuns
To violate their freedom of conscience
We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family
But please yes governor, please respond look this is one where there's always something there
This is a very simple proposition
These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions
And the physicians who know best when they need to do this trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point
That's not it at all. What was I wrong about governor? I please tell me what was that? That is not the way the law is written
Look, I I've given how I've given this advice on a lot of things that getting involved getting against that's been misread
And it was fact-checked at the last debate
But the point on this is is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved
I use this line on this just mind your own business on this things work best when Roe versus Wade was in place
When we do a restoration of Roe that works best that doesn't preclude us
From increasing funding for children. It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born like in Minnesota
They get meals they get early childhood education. They get health care
So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things when you're not proposing them in your budget Kamala Harris is proposing them
She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families
I asked a specific question governor. You gave me a slogan as a response. It's not the case. It's not true
That's not what the law says. So you a fact checked it with president trump
Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss we have to move on and we're going to be right back with much more of the cbs news vice presidential debate in just a moment
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We want to turn now to america's gun violence epidemic the leading cause of death for children and teens in america
Is by firearms senator vance you oppose most gun legislation that democrats claim would curb gun violence
You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semiautomatic rifles including ar-15s
So let me ask you earlier this year for the first time the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison
Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings? I'll give you two minutes
Yeah, well, no, we're on that particular case. I don't know the full details
But I certainly trust local law enforcement of local authorities to make those decisions
I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes
And in some cases the answer is going to be no and the details really matter here
Of course, for example, if a kid steals a gun that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous
Look, I I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids and our our oldest is now in second grade
And like a lot of parents we send our kids to school with such hope
And such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school and we know
Unfortunately that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence
And of course our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff
And we do have to do better
And I think that governor waltz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this
The question is just how do we actually do it?
Now here here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence
The gross majority close to 90 percent and some of the statistics
I've seen of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms
And while we're on that topic we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border
We've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the mexican drug cartel
So that number then the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago
But what do we do about the schools?
What do we do to protect our kids?
And I think the answer is and I and I say this not loving the answer
Because I don't want my kids to go to school and in in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security
But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security in our schools
We have to make the doors lock better. We have to make the doors stronger
We've got to make the windows stronger
And of course we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea
That we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys
It just doesn't fit with recent experience
So we've got to make our schools safer
And I think we've got to have some common sense bipartisan solutions for how to do that
Governor you have two minutes
Well, I think all the parents watching tonight. This is this your biggest nightmare. Look, I got a I got a 17-year-old and
And he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball those things don't leave you as a member of congress
I sat in my office
Surrounded by dozens of the sandy appearance and they were looking at my seven-year-old picture on the wall
Their seven-year-old were dead and they were asking us to do something and look I'm a hunter
I own firearms the vice president is we understand that the second amendment
Is there but our first responsibilities to our kids to figure this out in minnesota?
We've
enacted
enhanced
Red flag laws
Enhanced background checks and we can start to get data
But here's the problem if we really want to solve this we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence
And this idea that we should just live with it and I and I here's what I do think that this is a good start to the conversation
I 100 believe that senator vans
Hates it when these kids it's it's a borant and it breaks your heart
I I agree with that but it's that's not far enough when we know there are things that work
I've spent time in finland and seen some finish schools
They don't have this happened even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country
There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference
It's not infringing on your second amendment and the idea to have some of these weapons out there
It just doesn't make any sense
Kamala Harris as an attorney general worked on this issue
She knows that it's there. No one's trying to scare monger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there
Do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?
Is that is that what we have to go when we know?
There's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills
They're being kids. We owe it to them to get a fix
These are things that shouldn't be that difficult. You can still keep your firearms and we can make a difference
We have to if you're listening tonight
This breaks your heart
Senator Tim first of all, I didn't know that you're 17 year old witness is shooting
I'm sorry about that and I appreciate it. Okay. Christ have mercy
It is it is awful
And I appreciate what what Tim said actually about finland because I do think it illustrates some of the frankly weird differences
Between our own country's gun violence problem and and finland is okay first of all
We have way higher rates of mental health abuse or mental health
Substance abuse we have way higher rates of depression way higher rates of anxiety
We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of because I don't think
It's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem
But I do think it's a big piece of it another driver of the gun violence epidemic
Especially that affecting our kids it doesn't earn as many headlines
But is the terrible gun violence problem and a lot of our big cities
And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys
Put them away and take gun offenders off the streets
I think it's a whole host of things that we can do here
But I do think at our schools. We've got to talk about more security senator. Thank you governor
You previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but it's only later in your political career
Did you change your position? Why yeah, I set in that office with those sandy hook parents. I've become friends with school shooters
I've seen it. Look the NRA I was the NRA guy for a long time. They used to teach gun safety
I'm of an age where my shotgun was in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice
that's not where we live today and
Several things I want to mention on this is
Talking about cities and where it's at the number one
Where the most firearm deaths happen in minnesota are rural suicides
And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves
And so we have and we should look at all of the issues
Making sure folks have health care and all that but I want to be very careful
This idea of stigmatizing mental health just because you have a mental health issue
Does it mean you're violent?
And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat
Sometimes it just is the guns
It's just the guns and and there are things that you can do about it
But I do think that this is one and I think this is a healthy conversation
I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work protect second amendment protect our children
That's our priority gentlemen. Thank you, Margaret. Thank you, Nora
Let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation the high cost of housing and rent
There's a shortage of more than four million homes in the united states and that contributes to the high housing prices
governor walls
The Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time home buyers
And a $10,000 tax credit
They also promise to build 3 million new homes
Where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just drive up prices higher?
No, it's not handing out. We have first let me say this this issue of housing and I think those of you listening on this
The problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity
It can be bought up. It can be shifted. It can be moved around
Those are not folks living in those houses. Those of you listening tonight that house a big deal
I bought and owned one house in my life
My mom still lives in the house where I was and when I think of a house
I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass where you go with your family
We need to make it more affordable and one of the things as I said
This program that the vice president is is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this
Is something we're doing in minnesota from that lead
We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing
It starts to make it easier. We cut some of the red tape local folks
Look, we can't do it the federal level
But local folks make it easier to build those homes and then that down payment assistance. I can tell all of you out there
one of the
Certainly for me
Using the gi bill was one thing
But a veteran's home loan the big thing about a veteran's home loan is you don't have to pay the down payment
Those are things that make it there now look you're gonna pay it back
And you're gonna pay your mortgage those are things that we know in the long run
The appreciated value the generational wealth that's created from it
And I will give minneapolis an example minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates
We've seen a 12 percent increase in stock because we strip put some of these things in and we're implementing
A state program to make sure we give some of that down payment assistance
We get it back from people because here's what we know people with stable housing end up with stable jobs
People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school
All of those things in the long run end up saving our money
And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in but we can't blame
Immigrants for the only reason that's not the case. It's happening in many cities
The fact of the matter is is that we don't have enough naturally affording
Affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it create that create that base
Governor your time is up senator vans
On as far as your campaign's position the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes
Remove regulation provide tax breaks and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices
Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief?
You have two minutes. Well first of all
Tim just said something that I agree with we don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices
But we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country
Which does drive up cost him
25 million illegal aliens competing with americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country
It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal alien
Populations under Kamala Harris's leadership now, Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas
Now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree with but the most important thing here is
Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer to politics
She is the sitting vice president if she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable
I invite her to use the office that the american people already gave her
Not sit around and campaign and do nothing while americans find the american dream of home ownership completely unaffordable
Now you asked margaret what would immediately change the equation for american citizens
If you lower energy prices as donald trump says drill baby drill
One of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from illegal immigration is think about it
If a truck driver's paying 40 more for diesel then the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become
A lot more expensive if we open up american energy you will get immediate pricing release
Relief for american citizens not by the way just in housing but in a whole host of other economic goods, too
Senator vance you still have 23 seconds there. Do you want to answer? I have it where
A governor we will get to you in a moment, but senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands? Can you clarify?
Well what donald trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything they're not being used for national park
They're not being used and they could be places where we build a lot of housing
And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country
We have a lot of land that could be used. We have a lot of americans that need homes
We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes
And we should be building more homes for the american citizens who deserve to be here
Senator your time is up governor. I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the vice president is
Letting in
Of course that's not true and again you have the facts. I guess we agreed not to fact check
I'll check it that look crossings are down compared to in donald trump left office
But it's again blaming and not trying to find the solution
I was going to ask though on this question
Are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?
And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land now
Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands. I know in the western part of the countries we do
There's not a lot of federal lands in and around minneapolis for example
So the issue is is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply
About our national parks and our federal lands look minnesota. We protect these things
We've got about 20 percent of the world's fresh water these lands protect they're there for a reason
They belong to all of us, but again
This is when you view housing and you view these things as commodities
Like there's a chance to make money here. Let's take this federal land and let's sell it to people for that
I think there's better ways to do this. We've seen it in minnesota
We're able to refurbish some of these houses. We're able to make some investments that gets people in and i'm still
On the fact on this
Economist you center of entry said you don't like the economist which economists are saying that it is immigrants
That's adding to the car governor governor your time is your time is up
But but senator on that point i'd like for you to clarify there are many contributing factors to high housing costs
What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem?
Well, there's a federal reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate
We'll put it up on social media actually that really drills down on the connection between
Increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices. Now, of course
Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices. It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris
Look, we are a country of builders. We're a country of doers. We're a country of explorers
But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources
Makes it harder to build things and wants to throw people in jail
For not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do
And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes
I actually agree with tim waltz we should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity
But the thing that is most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here
What are the federal regulations ideal with this as a governor?
You can very quickly reply. I'm sorry
I I get this as a governor and and I don't necessarily disagree with that that in some cases many of those are local
Many of them are state. I don't know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations
People think they can get rid of them. I think you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire
I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof and those types of things
So which are the regulations because the vice president's not responsible for those congress rights those governor. Thank you gentlemen
We have a lot to get through you're passionate about the housing crisis. I can tell but Nora
Thank you. One of the top problems facing americans is the high cost of health care
Senator vance at the last presidential debate former president trump was asked about replacing the affordable care act
In response, he said I have concepts of a plan
Since then senator you've talked about changing how chronically ill americans get health insurance
Can you explain how that would work and can you guarantee that americans with pre-existing conditions?
Won't pay more. I'll give you two minutes. Well, of course
We're going to cover americans with pre-existing conditions. In fact, a lot of my family members have have gotten health care
Uh, I believe you know members of my family actually got private health insurance at least for the first time
switched off of medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under donald trump's leadership
And I think that you know a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark
It gets very simple common sense. I think it's tim walls knows from 12 years in congress
You're not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate stage
It would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation
Now when donald trump was actually president and again he has a record to be proud of
Prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time
Utter Kamala Harris's leadership prescription drugs are up about 7 percent under donald trump's entire four years
They were up about one and a half percent. He introduced
Pricing transparency you think about health care. You go into a hospital
You try to buy something and nobody knows what it actually costs that price transparency will actually give american consumers a little bit more choice
And we'll also drive down costs and we talked about you know
The the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about look donald trump has said that if we allow state
To experiment a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill but the non chronically ill
It's not just a plan
He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the united states
And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged obama care
Which was doing disastrously until donald trump came along
I think it's an important point about president trump of course
You don't have to agree with everything that president trump has ever said or ever done
But when obama care was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and health care costs
Donald trump could have destroyed the program instead
He worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that americans had access to affordable care
It's not perfect of course and there's so much more that we can do
But I think that donald trump has earned the right to put in place some better health care policies
He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time governor
All right, here's where being an old guy gives you some history
I was there at the creation of the aca
And the reason it was so important is I come from a major health care state home of the male clinic home to medical alley
3m med tronic all of those we understand health care
It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and quality of health care
And so what I know is under kamala harris
More people are covered than they have before and those of you listening this is critical to you
Now donald trump all of a sudden wants to go back and remember this
He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to
repeal obama care on day one he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the aca
He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the aca but lost at the supreme court
And he would have repealed the aca had it not been for the courage of john mccain to save that bill
Now fast forward what that means to you is you lose your pre-existing conditions
If you're setting it home and you got asthma too bad if you're a woman probably not
Broke your foot during football might kick you out your kids get kicked out when they're 26
Kamala hair negotiated drug prices for the first time with medicare
We have 10 drugs that will come online the most common ones that will be there
But look this issue and when donald trump said
I've got a concept of a plan it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that
But what senator vance just explained might be worse than a concept because what he explained is pre obama care
And i'll make this as simple as possible because I have done this for a long time
What they're saying is if you're healthy, why should you be paying more?
So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they ensure because guess what happens
You pay your premium. It's not much. They're figure they're not going to have to pay out to you
But those of you a little older gray, you know got cancer. You're going to get kicked out of it
That's why the system didn't work. Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the aca
Governor thank you senator. You have not yet explained how you would protect people with pre-existing conditions or laid out that plan
Well, look we currently have laws and regulations in the place in place right now that protect people with pre-existing conditions
We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace
Function a little bit better now what governor waltz just said is actually not true
A lot of what happened in the reason that obama care was crushing under its own weight
Is that a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges?
Donald trump actually helped address that problem and he did so in a way that preserved people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions
But again
Something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if donald trump becomes president
All of these terrible consequences are going to ensue but in reality donald trump was president inflation was low
Take home pay was higher and he saved the very program from a democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed
Absent his leadership. He did his job, which is governed in a bipartisan way and get results
Not just complain about problems, but actually solve them
Governor did enrollment under the affordable care act go up under the trump administration
It's it's higher now that we've seen it go up look people are using it the system works
And the the question about this of young people whatever that's the individual mandate piece of this and republicans fought tooth and nail
Saying well american should be free to do this. Well, then what happened the individual mandates a good idea
I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover even that's the only way insurance works
When it doesn't it collapses you are asking pre aca where we get people out look people know
That they need to be on health care people expect it to be there
And when we are able to make it and we are making it this way
When we incentivize people to be in the market when we help people who might not be able to afford it get there
And we make sure then when you get sick and old it's there for you because I heard people say well
I don't I don't want to buy into medicare or whatever good luck buying health care once you get past 70
So look the aca works. We can continue to do better. Kamala Harris did that the way she made everything better
Was negotiating those 10 drugs on medicare for the first time in american history. Thank you
I apologize. We're out of time. We have a number of subjects to discuss Margaret. Let's talk about families in america
Um
There is a child care crisis in this country and the united states is one of the very few developed countries
In the world without a national paid leave program for new parents
Governor walls you said that if democrats win both the white house and congress. This is a day one priority for you
How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns you have two minutes?
Yeah, well, that's negotiable and that's what congress worked. But here's what the deal is
american's setting out there right now you may work for a big company
Look, we're home in minnesota to some of the largest fortune 500 companies. Kamala Harris knows that and call are in california
Those companies provide paid family medically one is I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing
But it also keeps their employees healthy we in minnesota passed a paid family in medicare leave you have a child
You and I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born
This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time
What we know is that gets the child off to a better start the family works better
We stay in their employers. We get more consistency in that so Kamala Harris has made it a priority
We implemented in minnesota and we see growth. That's how you become a
Pro-business state but the negotiations on it and here's the issue those big companies are able to offer it
Those of you out there who don't have it just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick
We know what happens you end up staying home in some places that that means no paycheck because you've got no protection on that
This is the case of an economy that donald trump has said for the wealthiest amongst us. He's willing to give those
Tax breaks to the wealthiest he's willing to say bust those unions up do whatever
What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us
And so a paid family medical leave program
And I will tell you go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them as far as child care on this
You have to take it at both the supply and the demand side
You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take either our children
Or our parents to get paid the least amount of money
And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business
And then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that
We were able to do it in minnesota and i'm still telling you this
We were listed as the best state we're still in crisis on this
A federal program of paid family medical leave and help with this
Will enhance our workforce enhance our families and make it easier to have the children that you want
Governor your time is up
Senator do you support a national paid leave program and if so
For how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborn?
You have two minutes. Yeah, well first of all, Margaret a number of my republican colleagues and some democrats too have worked on this issue
And I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue
I mean look I I I I speak from this very personally because i'm married to a beautiful woman
Who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids, but is also a very very brilliant corporate litigator
And i'm so proud of her but being a working mom even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife is
Extruded narrowly difficult and it's not just difficult from a policy perspective
She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company
But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women
I think makes it really hard for people to choose the family model
They want a lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately
Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids
Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids
We should have a family care model that makes choice possible
And I think this is a very important substantive difference between donald trump and kamala heris's approach
I mean look if you look at the federal programs that we have the support paid family leave right now
The community development block grant and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government
These programs only go to one kind of child care model
Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you out with child care
Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you'd like to get together with families in your neighborhood
To provide child care and the way that makes the most sense you don't get access to any of these federal monies
We want to promote choice and how we deliver family care and how we promote child care because look it is unacceptable
And you know of course semina
I've been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks and one of the biggest complaints
I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options
Like they're choosing between going to work or taking care for their kids
That is an incredible burden to put on american families. We're the only country that does it
I think we could do a heck of a lot better
Senator. Thank you. You have also said senator vance
Many things about the american family
The federal reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on child care as they do on housing each month
So I want to get your thoughts on this
President trump recently said
As much as child cares talked about as being expensive. It's relatively speaking
Not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in
Is president trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described you have one minute?
Well, what president trump said, Margaret? I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit is that
We're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas
And penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of american workers
It's the heart of the donald trump economic plan cut taxes for american workers and american families
Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the united states of america
But penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas
That's the heart of the economic proposal
And I think what president trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth
We're going to be able to provide paid family leave child care options that are viable and workable for a lot of american families
Can you clarify how that will solve the child care shortage?
Well, because as tim said a lot of the child care shortage is we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple
People who could be providing family care options and we're going to have to unfortunately look
We're going to have to spend more money. We're going to have to induce more people to want to provide child care options for american families
Because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service
Thank you center governor walls your ticket also has some child care tax credit proposals
Do you think congress will agree to the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six
As your campaign has promised is that realistic?
Well, if these members of congress are listening anybody I can tell you and
This is the biggest issue. Everybody listening tonight knows. I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive
And let's be clear whether it's 5,000 or 6,000 that plays you about three or four months
Let's be clear of where we're at on this. It's because we got out of an imbalance on this
We thought we were going to get by by not paying people. I don't think center vents are that and I are that far apart
I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on on options. We've done scholarships types of things
I think we need to be open to making the case but the issue here is the question you asked is
You're not going to pay for it with these tariffs. That's just adding another 4,000 on the family and taking less
So not only do they not get the money to pay for that there are 4,000 dollars in the hole
That's warden school. That's it. That's his alma mater
And so I think the issue here is if those members of congress
I can't believe they're not it when I go to businesses sure they'll talk about taxes sometime
But they will lead with child care and they will lead with housing because we know the problem is especially in a state like minnesota
We need more workers because our economy is growing but we need the workforce
Governor, thank you. We need to move on nora
Let's talk about the state of democracy the top issue for americans after the economy and inflation
After the 2020 election president trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results
Judges including those appointed by president trump and other republican presidents looked at the evidence
And said there was no widespread fraud
The governors of every state in the nation
Republicans and democrats
Certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to congress for january 6
Senator vance you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election
And would have asked the states to submit alternative electors that has been called unconstitutional and illegal
Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results even if every governor certifies the results i'll give you two minutes
Well, nora first of all, I think that we're focused on the future
We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by kamala Harris's policies make housing affordable make groceries affordable
And that's what we're focused on but I want to answer your question because you did ask it
Look what president trump has said is that there were problems in 2020 and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues debate those issues
Peacefully in the public square and that's all i've said and that's all that donald trump has said remember
He said that on january the sixth the protesters ought to protest peacefully and on january the 20th what happened?
Joe biden became the president johnald trump left the white house and now of course
Unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the harris biden administration
I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country
But unfortunately it's not the threat to democracy that kamala harris and tim waltz want to talk about it is the threat of censorship
It's americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics
It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens
And it's kamala harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow americans
She'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation
I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years in the last
40 years now i'm really proud
Especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue collar democrats to have the endorsement of bobby kennedy jr
And tulsi gabbard lifelong leaders in the democratic coalition and of course
They don't agree with me and donald trump on every issue. We don't have to agree on every issue
But we're united behind a basic american first amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences
We ought to argue about them. We ought to try to persuade our fellow americans kamala harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale
She did it during covid. She's done it over a number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy
Then what donald trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on january the sixth governor
Well, i've enjoyed tonight's debate
I think there was a lot of commonality here and i'm i'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things
And I think I might have with uh with the senator but there's me too may there's one
There's one though that this this one is troubling to me and I say that because I think we need to tell the story
Donald trump refused to acknowledge this and the fact is is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up
He was very clear. I mean he lost his election and he said he didn
140 police officers were beaten at the capitol that day
Some with the american flag several later died and it wasn't just in there
In minnesota a group gathered on the state capitol grounds in st. Paul and said we're marching to the governor's residence
And there may be casualties the only person there was my son and his dog who was rushed out crying by state police
That issue and mike pence standing there as they were chanting hang mike pence
mike pence made the right decision so senator it was adjudicated over and over and over
I worked with kids long enough to know and I said as a football coach
Sometimes you really want to win but the democracy is bigger than winning an election
You shake hands and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win
That's that's what was at stake here. Now the thing i'm most concerned about is
the idea that
imprisoning your
Your political opponents already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this and a president's words matter
a president's words matter people hear that so
I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box
Shaking hands when we lose being honest about it, but to deny what happened on january 6th the first time in american history
That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power
And here we are four years later in the same boat. I will tell you this that when this is over
We need to shake hands this election and the winner needs to be the winner. This has got to stop. It's tearing our country apart
Margaret
Senator vance. Did you want to respond to that? Yeah, well look, Tim
first of all
It's really rich for
Democratic leaders to say that donald trump is a unique threat to democracy
When he peacefully gave over power on january the 20th as we have done for 250 years in this country
We're going to shake hands after this debate and after this election and of course
I hope that we win and I think we're going to win but if tim wals is the next vice president
He'll have my prayers. He'll have my best wishes and he'll have my help whenever he he wants it
But we have to remember that for years in this country democrats protested the results of elections
Hillary clinton in 2016 said that donald trump had the election stolen by vladmir poutin because the russians bought like
$500,000 worth of facebook ads
This has been going on for a long time
And if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election i'm on board
But if we want to say as tim wals is saying that this is just a problem that republicans have had i don't buy that
Governor january 6 was not facebook ads and and i think of revisionist history on this look i
Don't understand how we got to this point
But the issue was that happened
Donald trump can do it and all of us say there's no place for this it has
Massive repercussions this idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing
Threatening to kill someone threatening to do something. That's not that's not censorship censorship is book banning
We've seen that we've seen that brought up. I just think for
Everyone tonight and and i'm i'm gonna
Thank senator bans
I think this is the conversation they want to hear and I think there's a lot of agreement
This is one that we are miles apart on
This was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen
And it manifested itself because of donald trump's inability to say he is still saying he didn't lose the election
I would just ask that did he lose the 2020 election?
Tim i'm focused on the future did kamala Harris censor americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020
COVID situation that is a damming that is a damming non answer
It's a damming non answer for you to not talk about censorship
Obviously donald trump and I think that there were problems in 2020. We've talked about it
I'm happy to talk about it further
But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy the most sacred right under the united states
Is the first amendment
You yourself have said there's no first amendment right to misinformation
Kamala Harris wants to use the power of government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds
That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment
I would like democrats and republicans to both reject censorship. Let's persuade one another
Let's argue about ideas and then let's come together afterwards. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater
That's that's the test. That's the supreme court test
Tim fire in a crowded theater. You guys wanted to kick people off of facebook for saying that toddler should
Have the floor
Fire in a crowded theater
That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every american center
The governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you. Yeah, but
I don't run facebook
What I do know is is I see a candidate out there who refused and now again and this i'm pretty shocked by this
He lost the election. This is not a debate. It's not it's not anything anywhere other than in
Donald trump's world because look
When mike pence made that decision to certify that election
That's why mike pence isn't on this stage. What i'm concerned about is where is the firewall with donald trump
Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything including
Taking an election and his vice president's not going to stand to it
That's what we're asking you america
Will you stand up?
Will you keep your oath of office?
Even if the president doesn't and I think Kamala Harris would agree
She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that because of course, that's what we would do
So america, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald trump
Governor your time is up
Thank you gentlemen. We will be right back with both of our candidates the cbs news vice presidential debate continues
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Welcome back to the cbs news vice presidential debate
It is now time for the closing statement senator vance won the virtual coin toss and elected to go last
So governor walls you are first you have two minutes. Well, thank you senator vance
Thank you to cbs news and most importantly
Thank you to all of you if you're still up and and the folks who miss dancing with our stars
I appreciate it
But look the support of the democracy matters it matters that you're here
And i'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that kamla harris has built
From bernie sanders to dick chaney to taylor swift and a whole bunch of folks in between there
And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people
They believe in a positive future of this country and one where our politics can be better than it is
And I have to tell you that uh that better than it is
Is the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy?
That works for everyone not just to get by but to get ahead
And the idea that freedom really means something not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room
But the freedom for you to make choices about yourself now look we all know who donald trump is
He's told us and as my angel has said believe him when he told you that his first inaugural dress talked about american carnage
And then he sport spent four years trying to maybe do that
Senator vance tonight made it clear he will stand
With donald trump's agenda. He will continue to push down that road
Excuse me
Kamala harris gives us a different option now. I'll have to tell you
I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that senator vance said that does resonate with me
He said donald trump makes the people I care about afraid a lot of america feels that way
We don't need to be afraid franklin rosavote was right all we have to fear is fear itself
Kamala harris is bringing us a new way for it
She's bringing us a politics of joy. She's bringing real solutions for the middle class
And she's centering you at the heart of that all the while asking everyone
Join this movement make your voices heard
Let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive
I humbly ask for your vote on november 5th for kamala harris
Governor waltz. Thank you senator vance your closing statement. Well, I want to thank governor waltz
You you folks at cbs and of course the american people for tuning in this evening and one of the issues
We didn't talk about was energy
And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother
When she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because ohio gets pretty cold at night
And because money was often very tight
And I believe as a person who wants to be your next vice president that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every american
Whether they're rich or poor ought to be able to turn on their heat and then it'll live a cold winter night
That's gotten more difficult thanks to kamala harris's energy policies
I believe that whether you're rich or poor you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family
That's gotten harder because of kamala harris's policies
I believe that whether you're rich or poor you ought to be able to afford to buy a house
You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods
You ought to not have your communities flooded with fitinol
And that too has gotten harder with kamala because of kamala harris's policies
Now i've been politics long enough to do what kamala harris does when she stands before the american people and says that on day one
She's going to work on all these challenges. I just listed
She's been the vice president for three and a half years day one was 1400 days ago
And her policies have made these problems worse
Now I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world
I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food
But have the grace and generosity to ask me how i'm doing and to tell me their plan for my family
What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country the most beautiful country
The most incredible people anywhere in the world
But they're not going to be able to achieve
Their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in washington
They're not going to be able to live their american dream
If we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years
We need change. We need a new direction
We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well
Please vote for donald trump and whether you vote for me or vote for tim walls
I just want to say i'm so proud to be doing this and i'm rooting for you. God bless you and good night
senator vance. Thank you
And thank you both for participating in the only vice presidential debate of this election cycle
i'm margaret brennan
And i'm noro donald and a reminder there are just 35 days until election day
Please get out and vote and for all of us here at cbs news. Thank you and good night
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The first and only vice presidential debate this election is now complete
It was a cordial debate of the kind that people mostly say they want you notice here the two candidates lingering on the stage
That's quite a difference from
The presidential debate in which it was not even sure that vice president harris and donald trump would shake hands
It was a debate in which the line i appreciate what tim said about finland was one of the many ways in which
Senator vance agreed with the governor the governor agreed right back
But that's the tone and the and the kind of um theater review of this i'll pick out two
Issues on the question of the top of the news today
Which is the middle east and the kinds of foreign policy surprises that hit any president tim wals made the case that donald trump's
Temperament is unfit for any kind of surprise cited the members of the trump administration who have attested to that
Vice president or excuse me advance came back and said there were no wars during
The trump administration on the economy i'll make a political point
Which is that
What vance did was something donald trump was incapable of doing during his presidential debate
Which is repeatedly saying if kamal harris was going to do these things why didn't she in office?
Now whether voters buy that or not tim wals mentioned the inflation reduction act and a variety of others
Other items under biden but returning to that political point has worked in the past for donald trump against hillary clinton
We'll see if it works this time. I'd like to make a final point on tone the jd vance on that stage was very different
Than what people may have seen in podcasts
Um, but then there was an air of run reality about it. He talked about
Bipartisan solutions with nuance
Of a kind we never saw during the trump administration he talked about donald trump almost as the defender of the affordable karek
Donald trump tried to kill the affordable karek and then I think at the very end of the debate we saw something extraordinary tim wals asked
Uh jd vance if donald trump lost the election. He was incapable of answering that simple. Yes. No question
Jd vance can only get so far from the man at the top of the ticket and that was on display in that one moment
Although jd vance was a different kind of person than we've seen in many instances
John I think uh what you're saying is so important when we talk about demeanor
Because of the expectation that was hanging over these candidates head by heading in to tonight
Jd vance came to the stage with the lowest likability rating of all four candidates at the top of the ticket
I think many people came in expecting him to be donald trump's attack dog tonight
That's not the side we saw from him. There was a couple of compassionate moments even uh, could you mention the word?
Cordiality we saw that from him very much. I also think it's worth pointing out the demeanor
We saw from uh governor walls particularly when it came to his moments where he was put on the defensive about his own
Uh
Biography and embellishments that he is made in the past particularly in this case on china
You and i've talked about this a lot coming into this evening major you're going to help us with fact checks
Uh over the course of the next few minutes, but it is there was a big one that we need to talk about at the top of it
Which came on immigration in the discussion tonight
And particularly the trump administration's plan a major was centerpiece of their campaign to
Uh undergo mass deportations for undocumented immigrants in this country
Jd vance particularly said that
Migrants will be granted legal status at the wave of a kamala Harris open border wand
This was in the conversation this ongoing conversation about Haitian migrants in spina springfield, ohio
Many of them are recipients of temporary legal status and we just have to sage on that they are in this country legally
All right, we will be right back in a moment with more coverage of the vice presidential debate and will fact check some of the claims made by both candidates
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All right, we are going to bring in our amazing political team here major
I want to start with you and your big thoughts as you watch these 90 minutes unfold
I would call this the war and g-harding memorial vice presidential debate in 1921 g-harding promised the country a return to normalcy
That's what this debate was it was substantive far more substantive on the facts and policy than the leading candidates the presidential nominees have been to date
It was in a way a kind of embrace of bipartisanship on tough issues gun violence health care child care
Even well, this was less true on reproductive rights
And one thing that I think will be a surprise to anyone in the republican party the biggest
Secret of the entire Trump administration is that he saved obama care
It's a big secret because he never even said that
But this debate was an example to the country of how you can disagree
Agreeably how you can talk about shared goals for the country and in that sense
I think it's extremely important for jadey vance that he did not sound as he sounds on the stump
It was his biography and his appeal to bipartisanship that will be most distinguishing about not only his present
But his possible future
Nancy your thoughts. I think if you took a shot every time you heard the words. I agree tonight
the table right now
This was an
Surprisingly affable debate for two men who we know from our reporting do not like each other
They said that they agreed on housing policy
They said that they agreed on some aspects of immigration policy on pro-family policy
They were clearly intent on showing that they are likable that they are agreeable for all the reasons cecilia that you laid out
Earlier the democrats that i'm talking to feel fine about the debate
They're not doing cartwheels the way they were after the harris and trump debate a few weeks ago
But they think that this went well for them and I predict that that exchange between
Vance and walls about whether donald trump lost the election is going to end up in a harris ad by the end of the week
Bob
Both of these contenders came to the stage today being favorites of the base in their respective parties governor walls
Was someone who went on television and called republicans weird?
Senator jadey vance was someone who would go on podcast with donald trump jr
Another favorite to the right and say the left was essentially weird tonight on stage
You didn't hear a lot about that you heard an approach to build on our our colleagues reporting analysis here
It was about appealing to the middle for jadey vance giving reassurance to traditional republicans
Conservatives that they have a place in this republican party even with former president trump
They might not like those traditional republicans his answer on the election
But they might like his answer on the economy and on border security and for governor walls
It wasn't about being an attack dog
He was trying to make an overture to that centrist voter in a battleground state and say hey
With vice president harris as a teacher and a coach
Ed gordon quickly before we wrap uh one of the big issues though was immigration so much so that they had to shut the mics off at once
Yeah, but I think the civility that we saw uh tonight may be a mistake by democrats quite frankly
I talked at the outset of energizing this base
I was just in ohio and many democrats were livid about what's going on in springfield
I think waltz uh missed an opportunity to really push the racial insensitivity there
There was a sense of trying to be affable as uh as john said
And I think what we're going to see from this point on is this ability being laid aside
And as we've said uh from from this point on gloves are off. I think
Major you've spent a lot of time thinking about donald trump how might he react to his number two
So what donald trump will take away is the first third of the debate
Where jadie vance made a very strong case that the trump record on
Was the world on fire yes or no no it wasn't was the economy better?
Yes it was trump will be very happy with that
I think he will largely ignore and forget all the bipartisan appeals because they don't really fit within his orientation to politics
Thank you major. There is much more to talk about our coverage will continue with instant reaction polls and fact checks
That'll be on cbs news 24 seven but for now for all of my colleagues here. Good night
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