So it'll eventually not be a problem.
Yeah.
But we could do that.
We could either put it there or we could do an effect
where it's programmed like we do for the state of the state.
State of the state and stuff like that.
Yeah.
Where it's got the bar.
So we could just put the bar at the top with the time in it
and then programs and then everybody
can see the time burst and then.
I like that.
And that's that's that'll tell us what program that'll tell us
what what's actually being recorded to me over on.
So this could be program.
I'm assuming that was program during this.
OK.
That's what I was watching.
OK.
Yeah.
And I think I prefer to not have to worry about it.
But if that works for me.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think a time bar on top.
And yeah, if you want to go there, we can all see it.
That works.
OK.
We can make that happen.
Any weirdness, says, table, things that knock your knees
on eightness want to change just the first one.
Are we putting a drape over this?
We haven't talked about doing that.
OK.
I'm just wasn't sure from the wide if like the chords and all
that go away.
Oh, OK.
And like the tables.
Because I guess from the wide behind,
we can see whatever's here.
That's that'd be by talking about that.
OK.
They'll both be black at least.
Yeah.
I mean, I think the table's fine.
It's just we'd have to be more conscious of like what is there.
As far as we don't get the freightery or freighter,
make it a pile.
And the mirror and everything.
Does anyone have any thoughts about in terms of rich being
queued?
I imagine it doesn't make most sense for you,
Chan, to call me out, or?
Right?
Act like you're in TV and tell me what you really think.
Act like you're east.
No, I mean, I'm just wondering what I ever would I ever dare
jumping in and say, hey, can I say something?
Rich, can you hear us?
I can't.
You might be talking.
Someone was talking to me in my ear.
I heard what you said.
What we were talking about before was doing a little hand
signal.
He's in here.
Can you hear me?
Can you put up a hand?
Well, just even all of us on the set.
So like the beginning of the show,
Ani was talking to Sean.
She was looking there.
And if I wanted to jump in without having Sean having
to play conductor, then I could just put my pen up in the air
a little bit, do a little casual thing.
But I think you could do something similar.
Because you wouldn't be in the shot necessarily.
Oh, OK, OK, I just didn't know if I'm
going to be on a screen visible to everyone at all times.
And that's where we might have to see
if we can get a program shot for you.
So then you do know when and when you are not
in the wide or the master shot.
But that way, like perfect example is this time.
She's talking over there, Sean's looking at her.
And then you want to jump in.
You can just do a little signal.
Sean's got his eyes out.
He sees that.
He can give you the head nod or the eyes go there.
And then he knows that means we're not even
going to redirect.
You'll jump in next.
I think that'll make him the smoothest flow
rather than having to stop, start to go back to the anchor
style host.
Yeah, yeah, I like it.
I like it.
Thanks.
It felt like the only pause it felt uncomfortable
was in that early first couple of interactions
where it was I wasn't sure if I was going to jump in.
And I was going back to you.
I did not want to assign those to a person
because I wanted to see how it went, I guess.
I mean, essentially, there's never a time
where I won't have something to say.
But also, I didn't want to sit there and dominate,
like, every time Zach must answer.
And also, I know it's going to be difficult for you.
That's the thing.
I worry about accidentally just excluding Rich
because it's so much harder to non-verbally.
We want to intentionally exclude you.
Yeah, that's fine.
That's fine.
That's objectively rude.
Yeah.
Wait, can I have that on a shirt?
So at the very end when I was 15 seconds, I was like,
I thought it might sound funny.
I came in like, yeah, and here's the last word.
And now, to the camera, you know what I mean?
So I just kind of bailed.
And that's where I was, if I was in your position,
what I would say have them do is time me out long
because for me, when they give me the 15-second wrap,
there's not enough time to resummerize.
Yeah.
Unless you have something scripted for,
like, this is the brilliant pithy wrap-up,
it's much easier, in my opinion, when you're running this
to simply, OK, 15 seconds than you know as soon
as I wrap up this sentence, then we're going to go to it.
That way, if we're already over time,
it's easier to cut out a little chunk.
There's always going to be 10 seconds they can slice
if they need it for Wisconsin today.
For the podcast, it doesn't matter.
So that way, it's a little bit easier
if your tendency is to wrap up tight.
If your tendency is 15 seconds, and I'm going to finish
my thought, whether it's 30 seconds or not,
then you wouldn't want to do that.
So a lot of it depends on where we will be ending.
Like, if we regularly get under 30 or under a minute,
and it's over there, but Rich doesn't necessarily
have time cues, then it's a different scenario.
Because he may not know, oh, there's only 30 seconds left,
I should wrap this up and toss it back.
I think we should all get those final minutes worth of time.
You got them, right?
No.
You did not.
OK.
I could hear yours.
You can, though.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
But so I think, like, because also, I mean,
I've had that happen in radio where, like, all of a sudden,
the music comes on, and I had no idea.
It was that close.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I agree that everyone should get that.
At least the last minute to 30 seconds,
so that way we can wrap up without making it awkward,
and get it back to Sean and under 15 or something.
But that's where, yeah, it'll be up to you
to decide, when I get that 15-second cue,
do I just want to kill it on the spot,
or do I naturally run out the end of my thought?
Yeah, I mean, if I bring this to that one,
it's still on your hands.
You know, it's also probably a good reminder to me
to have, like, a little, to think about a little ending
take that I can land with if needed.
Yeah, because eventually you'll start to...
I'm back pocket.
You'll eventually start to hate yourself by saying,
that's all the time we have.
We're gonna have to leave it there,
because that's what we do at the end, every time I anchor,
and it's like, the audience gets used to it,
but it's like, usually it's a thanks for joining us,
so we'll also leave it there.
That's what Fred says.
My hot take on that topic is, like,
yeah, they could solve a problem,
but they really want to, like,
crush the other side, basically.
That's why the name of our show should be
because politics.
Because politics.
Yeah.
I'm going to literally pitch this.
I'm gonna find Kylo.
We'll put it on the document,
although it's probably already through 10 layers of...
But then you could, every single week,
look straight to camera and say,
why?
Because politics.
Because politics.
We'll just do that.
Actually, I have a trouble that I've taught my wife
when I was explaining to her
why things happen in politics.
Yeah.
It's this.
And I said,
this is the real issue that they don't want to talk about,
and this is the constant distractions they do,
so you don't look over here.
Interesting.
And so every time she says,
why are they like...
She started doing it back to me now,
because she can pick up on,
oh, it's one of these.
We're wagging the dog's tail,
because politics,
it's not the real core issue.
So that would be my visual,
not that we do.
I do think one of the things that I would love to do
is a routine thing on Overton Window,
or, like, big political science concepts like that.
Yeah.
Because obviously everyone's trying to move the Overton Window,
and people don't realize
that they are in the middle of that process,
and explaining to them,
here's what they're doing to manipulate your thoughts
and emotions on this topic.
Here's what they're doing to try and make this normal.
So you want to do a regular segment,
and now...
And now that Overton Window...
And now we look at the Overton Window.
30 seconds on how much have we talked about the Epstein files
this week for being the Overton Window?
Let's take a minute for background.
What is the Overton Window?
Oh, we're out of time.
Thanks for joining us.
Let's talk about inelastic colors.
So he's just chatting now.
Yeah.
Does this feel a little more...
It's your call.
My call.
Because you're the one in the middle that's got a...
Like...
I...
Sean just wants to say...
I feel like I'm more comfortable over there, but, you know...
Is it just going to always be weird for whoever's in the middle?
Because you have to...
Yeah, I mean...
Maybe.
I just don't know what this looks like, too.
I'm like a little...
I've seen myself in some TV shots, and it's like,
Oh, God.
That man is giant, you know?
And so I don't want to throw things off too much that way,
and I worry that being in the middle, I will do that.
No.
It'll just be more symmetrical.
I mean, we're conical.
If you like, graft us.
Yeah, and we can see how it looks, but I think what matters most is what makes everyone feel so comfortable in my opinion.
Well, I got seniority on you, so...
Really?
It's because I'm very youthful.
We're a bell curve.
I'm older than you, right?
How old are you?
I don't know.
47-ish?
I'm 47.
I'm about to turn 48.
Okay.
Whoa.
We got ourselves to shoot out.
June 19th.
All right.
You win.
I'm older?
Yep.
All right.
So, whatever you want.
Do you ever even do have seniority?
I do, yeah.
Rich is actually 70.
He holds up well.
That's my listening age on Spotify, you jerk.
And I told you that in confidence.
That Northern Wisconsin lifestyle, man, it just keeps you young.
I don't think that's true.
Yeah, Nazareth.
I think it famously doesn't keep you.
You want all of them?
Yeah.
Yeah, that works.
We are going to knock out just those leads really quick.
Do you want a 15 minutes or do you want the first one at 10?
Oh, I really think, I think first one at 10 works for me.
Yeah.
I don't think it was.
I think 10, 5, 2, and then the way you did it.
Yeah.
Really quick.
We're just going to knock out some other leads so that we can let you guys be out of the pop lights.
Sure.
I'm called.
Is it really warm in there?
No, I'm freezing.
These used to be hot.
Really?
I'm also always quite cold.
It's my own fault.
But I have warm feet warmers, so that's helping.
Is there a way that I would do this that was not a cold open?
It was my question.
Today on-
I don't think so.
Hey Zach.
Hey Rich.
I think, yeah, the two options, we just, there is some podcasts that just start in the moment.
Yeah.
It's like we're already talking and then they start rolling.
The politics podcast, we just, oh, every first.
You get the cue.
First words every week were basically, hey guys.
Hey, how's it going?
And we just like, chit chat.
Hey you guys.
I don't think we'd do that anymore.
Yeah, this is not like chit chat setup.
We're all wearing pleasers.
No, it's a little different.
I mean, we can make it whatever we want.
Is that true?
I'll do whatever, whatever.
I'll wear a t-shirt if you tell me to.
Hell yeah.
So if the Wisconsin Today audience is not getting any of the leads, then the anchors will read.
This is what they were talking about and then it's going to come out to you.
Right.
The first thing which will be, hey guys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like we should say something, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I can just start with a question.
It just feels like in a podcast.
I would say hi.
I like that.
Yeah, I mean, everything we do on the set is always thanks for joining us.
Yeah.
Hello.
Hi.
You could break the fourth wall and just welcome them.
And hello to you out there.
Thanks to all five of you who stumbled across this accident.
Yes.
When we were doing the convention, half hours every day.
At one point we had 67 people watching the live stream.
Well, sure.
We are crushing it here.
Was there talk?
Did I overhear talk in that room in the studio about an audience being in place?
Live studio.
Live studio for people in here.
Yeah.
Is there going to be at some point though?
Just the homeless people that live in the stairwells.
Give them signs and hold up.
Yeah.
Okay.
Every time they pitch to Hania, like the first time everyone will applaud and cheer.
That's in my writer.
Yeah.
We're going to record some leads for you.
Yep.
Today in Wisconsin politics weekly, Wisconsin leaders react to the shooting in Minneapolis.
A presidential endorsement shakes up the governor's race.
And top leaders in Wisconsin state government hint that they're open to some kind of a deal
on lowering property taxes.
Maybe.
This is Wisconsin politics weekly.
I'm WPR capital bureau chief Sean Johnson joining me to talk about these issues.
Our PBS Wisconsin political reporter Zach Schultz.
WPR capital reporter on the Van Wachtenonk and WPR political reporter Rich Kramer.
Today in Wisconsin politics weekly, Wisconsin leaders react to the shooting in Minneapolis.
A presidential endorsement shakes up the governor's race.
And top leaders in Wisconsin state government hint that they're open to the state.
They're open to the state.
I'm Sean Johnson here with WPR's Anya Van Wachtenonk and Rich Kramer and Zach Schultz from PBS Wisconsin.
Today in Wisconsin politics weekly, Wisconsin leaders react to the shooting in Minneapolis.
I'm Sean Johnson here with WPR's Anya Van Wachtenonk and Rich Kramer and Zach Schultz
from PBS Wisconsin.
Hey, everyone.
Good to see you.
Hey, Sean.
Hi.
Even you, Rich.
Hi.
I said hi.
I did like that intro the best.
The last one.
I like the middle one.
I like the middle one.
I like the middle one.
I like the middle one.
I like the middle one.
I like the middle one.
I like the middle one.
I like the middle one.
I like the top x and then introducing the show.
Yeah, I think.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yep.
You can find more at wpr.org, PBSWISCONSTINETORG on our YouTube channels or wherever you get your
podcasts.
I'm Sean Johnson.
Thanks for joining Wisconsin Politics Weekly or something else.
Not a podcast.
That's my preferred title.
Whatever you like, but I don't think so.
Anything else?
I think we're good if, but let us know.
I think you could also have the highs in the open.
Like I'm joined with WPRs on Enrich.
Hey, guys.
Yeah.
I'm here with NBS Wisconsin.
He's back.
Oh, yeah.
Just like a little bit more.
What if we did, like, knowing nods whenever you mention our names?
Well, so that part will be covered up on radio, if it matters.
Well, and television.
Sure, sure.
They're probably going to keep you on a one-shot for that whole intro.
Okay, right.
Oh, okay.
So if we are going to do those cutaway, which we can, when we have guests on,
if we introduce them, we cut to the guest away from the anchor.
So that's not an issue.
That'd just be a matter of talking to the director.
And I'm sure John would be able to, if it's scripted.
If you want.
You know, it cuts to you and it cuts to rich.
It cuts to me, however, though.
Would you be open to trying one where I just kind of, as I introduce people,
just at saying hi to each of them?
In the name of trying things, and then I don't think we have anything else.
One of the, one of the shorter ones, I think.
Yeah.
All right.
All right.
Three it is.
Are you ready?
All right.
You're going to keep your hands in your lap.
I don't know what they're doing.
Yeah.
What are we doing?
They'd be up here.
I always kept them on the desk.
Okay.
I appreciate the.
Yeah.
It's very.
Yeah.
No.
Thank you.
Thanks to all the TV folks making this less scary.
Wisconsin leaders react to Minneapolis.
Trump endorsement shakes up state politics and a deal on property taxes.
Maybe.
This is Wisconsin politics weekly.
I'm Sean Johnson here with WPR's Anya Van Wegden.
Don Keanu.
Hey, John.
Rich Kramer in Eau Claire.
Hey, Rich.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey, Rich.
Hello.
And PBS Wisconsin.
Zach Schultz.
How's it going Zach?
Hello.
Let's start with a reaction to the shooting of Alex Freddie as we have this light friendly intro.
Yeah.
Let's transition to bars.
Yeah.
No, that's that's good or we can do PBS WP right as long as riches last. That's the important thing
As long as we're clear on that
We're all clear everyone's always been clear about it
I get a little nervous each time good is the key over enunciating each side who did I
I mean like sometimes you've also called me like and not like sometimes you just I
Just like none of the name. I just go full boomer
And we haven't been working together that long or that closely I don't cry about it all the time
Get him get him
All right
You guys record that so radio can have it tomorrow
We recorded it
There was some usable stuff in there was
We should leak it
We should leak it