You
Like normally the fish come you know around the bend or whatever and go up
And then they're going to end up March this one and after a while spawn off and they go back down then they're on the deep deep side of the
River and they're floating backwards down river you know they don't swim but they do swim but they're always higher up in a water column
They might be six or eight feet down and all when they go back like now. They're on the bottom
toward the bottom
They don't know if you're great exact maybe kid I'll be too busy with this thing. Yeah
I ain't gonna guarantee you catch any fish. No worries. That's because the water got so cold
Main thing
Like
You know a shallow over there and it goes down it's probably
Six and a half or seven feet deep here and then on the end it's another foot deeper at least
You got a wolf every wolf every gone to the middle on
Like I made this railing and you can
Like fishing like this now like I can
Know yeah, move over nice when I'm using gamefuls are all straight like that. I'm moving this way to
This was a pontoon. I used to have other rafts that I made that
That
That were like pipe frame
And then use barrels then I went to this one was
It's easier used to have a hay wagon that you
Had to load them on and
This one and I made out of a pontoon and I made it wider and then I built a shack
use
Make a little shack we insulated and I put metal on the outside so I didn't have to do it nothing with it after well
That's what the shack's all about
Okay
Okay, I thought Gary was gonna come
I
Really just
Sit there and jig and you can feel it hit bottom you're up and down and
There's different weights jigs according to how much current there is
Anything all kinds of fish bait
Like we had some
Small mozz bass ready and rock bass got a few walleyes
Once in a while, you get a sturgeon on they're getting ready. I know the D&R talked about on the news today was
Usually the sturgeon spawn
On the rocks like April 21st the waters are the 55 degrees
But so cold the D&R said that they might spawn
Like a week later or something all depends on the weather
Get him up whole anything sir, do you
I
You
Can you just give me a mic check once sure, yeah, okay, thank you
So I guess give me a little background on so you grew up here, right? Yeah, I grew up
No, I've been here all my life
like my dad took me fishing when I was a kid and
been fishing all the time on rafts and I
made different rafts that I had over the years and and
This one's a pontoon made out of pontoons. I made it a wider than I built a shack on it
I have a pontoon trailer
which is easy for to
Back under it and crank it up and where you go used to have to
Take my other rafts as a jacket up and get it on that like a hay wagon or something like that
It was a lot of work to head hauling around and
Yeah, and things like that was harder to put in and out
like this one too is a
then I just to move it I
Take my boat and motor and hook on the end of it and then push it around
oh
I got like pipes in the corner. That's what holds it in the
Down the corner of the raft holds it in place wherever you put it in the wrap on the river and I've run an extra rope to the shore for
Safety precautions to hold it case something
Most of the times the pipes don't
Slide do or nothing. They worked away in the dirt and you got to jack them up. Some guys got automatic cranks on them and stuff
but
usually
Unique or special about it. Well, like if it rains here and all this raft here. I got a little hangover. I can I can
stand under the raft and
and
Not get as wet
The other thing is heated. I got a bunk in there. You could always take a nap if you didn't have to
other thing is you can
You can fish all night and fish fish some you know fish
bite all night sometimes
Especially when they're going on river. They're just floating by or whatever when they're coming up, you know, they're swimming by again
You never know when you're gonna catch one
all depends on
the weather and
the temperature of the water this spring and stuff of course I ice fish before and
You can catch fish anytime sometimes you don't catch any
Passion
Kind of like a passion, you know
It's a passion that's like I love love this north of the town here and we have property like we own my sister-in-law
My brother and sister-in-law own this land here. It's on the river
It's easy for us to either go hunting we go hunting here or
over fish off it
it
You know, we're up fishing. I like fishing different different kinds of fish
but
The wolf river is quite a unique like up north. I went up there and
fish for trout and there's all kinds of fish in the river system
My hunt a lot bull hunt a lot
Now I'm retired you can fish all you want
But not that the fish are gonna bite every day, but
people according to
When you feel like you want to go
usually the fish white bite, you know in the morning or afternoon or
depends on the weather if it's clear out or how clear the water is and
different times of the year
Sometimes in the fall they catch a lot of fish
all the friends
different thing with a raft you can
You had kids, you know, you can take the kids down there. They you know, you're a girlfriend or wife or something to
Sit in a raft and keep warm they can fish to them or
Whatever they want to do
Yeah, it's it's it's supposed to rain tonight and start sprinkling and I don't know how heavy it is
But now they're talking about another storm. I don't know what what'll happen now
you know a
couple weeks ago, you know, we had
20 some inches of snow that one day and
It bit, you know melts and the brings the water off
Higher water works
helps the fishery by
putting more water in the marshes
so that the fish can get in and
water level stays higher so that
A's can hatch and then a frightened folk back out in the river
That was one of the main thing back in the
I'm gonna say years ago. There was a lot of fish back in the 60s and 70s when I fish and
then the population kind of went down and then
The conservation groups like we started, you know, walleye tomorrow
And we started working on habitat
improvement and
What we did was we put some culverts in some places or cut the bank down so the water goes into the marsh
Well for increased water flow and
If we cut the bank down someplace where we were running in
Oh
the water flow
Flew, you know, it keeps on going through the marsh longer amount of time and the fish would hatch and then the current would kind of
Wash them back into the river same way like
the water table was
Because we cut the bank down the water was going across the marsh a longer amount of time and then
Then it would have been so we improved up water flow
and they got increased
Reproduction that helped a lot
Someplace we put culverts in
Just increase the water flow
There's a main thing
That connection from a marsh to a culvert
They go and make the culverts all connected
They probably understand that the fish go up river and it's it's according to water flow, you know, they the
Say wintertime it's frozen all and the river's lower
And then once it starts raining or melting and snow melts and
The river comes up to increases the flow and all the fish
Feel that flow and then they head for the river and start swimming up river
And they might swim away and stop and rest and then keep on traveling
Some of these guys got different kinds of both motors here this guy's going by with all noises though go devil
Probably use it for duck hunting too
I
Like we're fishing we're waiting for a fish to point it in all the fish are swimming up river yet
We're kind of abandoned where the fish
Normally would come around the corner and go up keep only going up river. There's different depths
Shallow over here, and then it goes deeper
And all species of fish are swimming up river. I mean
In the fall they some of them back to the lake they stay in the lake
Bass
After a while later in the spring all the white bass run up here to spawn to a lot of us
Granted we worked on some projects while I tomorrow work on project. We put a lot of reefs in Lake Winapago
help the saugars, you know, and
We have a
lot of portable fish hatcheries that were used on different lakes that
They take them along and take them to different lakes and
hatch from the fry from the walleyes or
saugars and
they can
Die the fry and
They do not take the fish after well
what happens to die the
Makes up there's a bone in the fishes head off the list bone that
If the zorbs die
We when we die them when they're just hatch makes a circle in this bone
If we
We die these fish
Say they raise these fish in a pond and their fingerlings, you know, four or five inches big the DNR can plant them in
In a lake as they die the element that die goes into the bone in their apolipane and then it's only
like a half moon
later on
the DNR takes a sample of
The fish they'd say they take ten fish out and they
Kill them and they take the bone out and they look under the microscope to see if
the fish was
died, you know at fingerlings eyes or
When a verse, you know patched
They can tell if
Doesn't have a mark and then it's a natural reproduction
Anyway, that's how they get their ideas for
different amounts of fish
somewhat
Gives them a better idea
Over the years I've worked on other
Some of the marshes were mostly on the wolf river and really one up on the various river
sometimes we try to just cut paints down sometimes they put culverts in depends on where
What's the situation we'd call for?
Like culverts are under a road or something where guys got to drive drive across it yet
We aren't doing as many as we used to because of some regulations and
The cost a lot of money to do we raise a lot of money for our different chapters where I raise a lot of money
200
250,000
3 $400,000 a year to use on projects throughout the state so
He's sports sportsmen come to the banquet so they
They you know
We have a meal for them itself different areas
We have prizes and stop banquet, you know that the banquets thought I had a nibble but
Some fish bite a little bit and then they let go
Big thing that affects them is temperature of the water I
was warm
warm the other day and then
pulled off because we had an ice storm then
Rain is cold and ice
went into the
System and pulled the water off and then you can then what happens is a fish quit waiting
Yeah
Something you got to put up with
a lot of these guys you know they hear about somebody's catching fish or everybody comes and
like here a lot of these people might be from
Fox River Valley or
different towns that they come and I call them tourists and
You know granted it catch fish too
you know, it's
Fair to everybody else anybody wants to fish you fish by a license and pay your fees for your
boat and fishing license and
Go fishing
You think it makes a difference how much you paid for your boat or how expensive your
It had changed a lot
But I had a raft it was it's nice going on a raft like we came down here today. We just walked down here and
You got a little boat area just paddled to the dock and fish off the dock docks nice and sturdy and we get cold we can go inside and
Get warm or I got an oven we can store them and it always makes cook something or
Anyway
Guys in the boat to get wet like stay dry
But it's a lot of work maintaining a raft and taking care of it
Biggest place some have some place to put it or attach it to property
You can't put it on public land anymore
Or DNR property the Sun private property you got to have the get a permit and permission from the land
I know
What is it about the heritage of it that makes this special
Well, I know we talked a little bit about it before was
the heritage thing thing was
from the logging industry in the 1880s they had
loggers that
this system the Wolf River system is
They cut logs up north and they floated them down the river
The transport them and then they brought them to a different sawmills on the river here someone were into London and
North Port was a big big logging small town and
That's how they
It was easier for them to load it down the river
These apparently the loggers had to have some place to stay so they made a
A shack and I presume they had logs and everything that they made rafts that they were on the river and they fished off them
from home and for different fish for food and
One thing here is from what I always knew is
the
Wolf River is the only place that I know of that I heard of that
Oh
Let's rafts on the river
that permit them and
So it's kind of a
historic historic thing of the rafts on the river and
Fisherman kept them going nowadays and
It's a historic thing to keep on going
There's quite a few you drive up and down. Yeah, yeah, there's you know different towns
You know, it's somewhat by Horton
You know different place on the river Shriakton and Hortonville and
So that here is fleeces landing is a big one and of course, you know along the river why we go Fremont
So when you were a kid was walleye for eating or while I was just done for catching
well mainly
It was mainly to eat, you know, I mean people get
People didn't have as much money as some of people do know and you know
It's just like hunting and everything else too was
As a child, you know, we ate and I still do is
We went out and shot a rabbit we ate a rabbit and squirrels and you know, I mean ducks and pheasants and stuff like that
That's that's what we lived on other people did too and it included all types of fish
Whatever they caught they ate a little shot
It's probably a staple. Oh, I
Probably well fish once a week anyway, you can't sell me put some in a freezer
Oh, you know, I go trout fishing once a while I have a trout or
You go perch fishing in the winter or pan fish or whatever
And you don't have to go to grocery store
Yeah save money
You know, I got a little nibble on this poi. I don't know what it is
He might be trying to bite it might be a
Small fish
Pick it up to you by feeling
Might be a rock bass or I
Don't know small mold bass
You never know what's biting
It's probably not a walleye a walleye would bite harder
Nibble done a little bit
And a minute on there
Like a fish at night you got the lanterns on you got gas lanterns for lights and
You had just
Normally you have men who's out for the fish to bite on you don't you can jig at night if you want
If you want to get warm you go inside
Get warmed up use you got poles are sitting and you look off the window watch the polls fish bites here come out and
Try to catch them left to the button
What condition do you think the walleye fishery would be if you guys hadn't started doing what you were doing all that time ago
The marshes and recall birds and all that work
well
people didn't I
Would say people didn't really you know, I don't know
They knew what was going on, but they didn't you know, there was a lot of fish and then all once as
more and more people fish
That they caught quite of the fish out and maybe they didn't have
good years where the fish spawned where there wasn't a lot of reproduction so then the
quantity of fish went down and then the guys fishing the fishermen realized that
Well, what's happening, you know, we aren't having really good hatches for some reason and then we came up with the idea of
helping the fish spawn for natural reproduction, and that's where we
help
Help the fish by working on the marshes
through
Get them to spawn to increase
The numbers and it takes a few years for them to grow up of course, but as
The DNR tracked them and then
Some years you might
You know one in three years you might have a good hatch or they might have a couple good years
And they used to count them they used to have a graph went to one to ten after a while they
do trolings
Net trolings in Lake Winnebago and stuff places
in the fall to see how many young in the year they are and
To see how many there were actually
hatched and grew and
And then they can tell what year was good or bad or whatever
But they had this graph one to ten and back in the early 90s
Always they had to change the graph because there were so many fish because there was had to have them been a
really good
reproduction rate and they changed the graph up to 40 and
It's like when they go out and do trolings they put their nets in and then
and
Trol they pull them and then they pull them out and they count all the fish in there all the minos and different kinds
That's where they get these numbers from
Anyway in the last few years they had to raise their graphs again because they raised it to 50 because we had a
really good
reproduction year
so that's what
As we can get the numbers from
I suppose I should
But it helped a lot of people. I mean
know that I
worked on the river here and
Worked on the straighten surgeon trail here
Normally we all did walleye projects, but then because I'm working on projects. I
proposed this surgeon trail here knowing and
improved it and they call it it was put more rocks in there and made a trail where
Oh people can go and watch and see the sturgeon
spawn
The wolf river is one river
One of the five places in the world you can actually see sturgeon spawn so
You know if I'm working on
Walleye project as well. That's right next to him somewhere a property that I
Said why don't we make it good better for surgeon and there's other groups sturgeon for tomorrow work done
Some of the other projects too that help the sturgeon
It's nice to see
Families come out there they bring their kids out there and then they can
See the fish swimming along the shawarma and the kids there yelling and screaming look at that big one look at that big one
Well, that's
I'm glad to see that in the kids faces
That get to see something that's unreal
Well, how much of this is
About kids because a lot of times you go out and see it's a bunch of old men fishing
But you do see kids out there and there's a different level of excitement with that, right? All right. There's a
Like for on the sturgeon trail. I mean everybody goes out there to watch them
but like our walleye fishing or
same way we could
When we improve a marsh all all kinds of fish could actually go into it and
Like Northern's usually go into there and earlier and they spawn earlier
So Northern's could be using a marsh and then all of the walleyes go in there
so
And the thing about
When you improve water flow across the marsh the natural weeds
The natural vegetation
Filters out some of the dirt. So actually you're improving water quality and I mean people don't think about that
But I know that it takes some of the silt and dirt and it's maybe settles down in there
So we're helping the water quality also
The
How important is walleye to the identity in this area?
Well
Walleye's about been here forever I presume but
One of the
Groups here is well, it's a fishing game called thing
They have a new one in fishing game club
they
They have a big big whopper contest. It's about they call it big whopper, but it's like for walleye's and
I presume it's almost been happening for 50 years
they
back in
60 1960s and 70s
They put this
boat out there with two dummies in it. It's called Pete and Joe
It's out on ice and they had
a contest where you would guess when the ice would go out and
They gave prize away for that. So that's I think the thing of every year the guess when the ice would go out and
This big whopper thing was up here at the by the boat landing. They had it for years was
Bring your fish in they registered big ones little ones, whatever get prize away
they have they used to have food there and
and
it was a fundraiser for them but a lot of you know a lot of people came there and and
Donated or you know
they had hamburger
Buffalo burgers hamburger is whatever
you know other food and
It was a fundraiser for them
They had a DJ or music there sometimes or a dance or people a lot of people went there
Oh, it's all it's all
functioned around walleye fish in here on the woofer
The unique the new it's a unique area to
fish
Granted you can catch fish anywhere almost
As they move this way or that way you ain't getting to catch them all but lucky to catch some
but like right now we're doing this is
the rain ain't bothering us, but it's the
different
temperatures of the water and
and
the weather effects fish or see I know you aren't gonna they're gonna bite every day or
All the time either if they did you everybody catch them all and there won't be any laugh
And that's why they have restrictions on
Limits like years ago used to catch five now they have three but
because of
Increase fish and pressure so many people fishing
And there's all ages of people it's good that
Parents take their kids and get them involved with something
Besides sitting on their telephone
What this my shag no
mine, it's mine
Like you say I'm going up to the raft or I'm going up to the shack or the raft
And over the years I you know I probably had
Probably four of them and I adjusted
The sizes and
Made it easier to take and put them in with this pontoon compared to a regular pipe frame one or whatever and
but you know
Someone would use plastic barrels or foam insulate foam they had floaters and
different things like that
You move them by I use my other boat and a motor and tie up to it and I
Push it wherever I want to go
By having a pontoon trailer. I just
Back under it and crank it up when I take it to put it in or oh, so it's a lot easier
It's like all the fishermen got off the river
There's a rating other day and when I was snowing and blowing there wasn't anybody fishing
Like they were catching fish. That's like some you know, it's raining. It was gonna sit. Who's gonna sit in a boat and fish
When it's cold out all these other couple other guys went fishing. They're just went down to their rafts
We can take a break and go inside it wrong
Yeah
So I would wind up and check to make sure you don't have a leaf on there
Like before it was kind of cold it didn't refresh the world I came down and had
We had two inches of rain and then the boat they come down pull the boat out and empty that
And
Whether I looked at the weather, you know
This afternoon it was nothing in it like now. It's supposed to keep on raining
Right, you know was all night. Oh
The other thing was
Here was you know the weather for the week was
So so so and then you know a couple nice days
But I
Mean Sunday at 52. Well that warm with that warm up fast. Yeah, yeah, right
You know biggest thing is when the Sun comes out then harder or warm up and
It'll warm up to probably two degrees where it's a Sun though
And it might walk more if it's windy out same time
Yeah, and the Sun shining thing is
say water is going across the marsh somewhere
it's a marshes shallower and
The Sun reflects off the dark bottom warms up the water more same way dirty water warms up
faster
and clear water because
Light has effect on it
Oh
Like their Sunday 50 what's the thing?
The thing that affects
Fishin is
the weather
But we're
I'm saying some fish are the marshes are ready
The eggs in the fish aren't ready to spawn
because
They aren't ripe enough
The fish going on eggs right
Okay
You know
About fish eggs like we have these hadries and
We know this they
catch some fish with nets and
Take them some places want them all and take this one and they take the milk from the males
anyway when they
Put the eggs in a spawning
We got them in this morning there, but after all before when they take them out of the fish
They put them in a like a
Small you put the eggs in there put the milk in there
There's a hole in the egg and
They call it water water hardening
the
Male sperm has to go through this hole in the egg
within a minute because the water makes
the egg
Close the hole so it happens fast
So that it gets fertilized and then they put them in spawning first you run current water through it and
It's oxygenated
And then you know weak the two weeks
they've hatched and the fire come on and it has a
little
belly sack on it
makes it float and probably bounces up and down and in a marsh it would float
The current would flush them into the river system
defeat off the sack for a while and then they started eating Zulu clankton
Oh
Organic phone, you know through the system and they float back to the lake
Yeah, we got to see the process last year down by West Bend a big sinner on one of the other officials
Yeah, they you know, they put them in that garden. I don't know what Mike there. Yep, Mike Tom
and
How they
Put fish in half these different lakes, you know
Well, that helps wherever they want them. They don't have have them
They have different, you know different chapters who will see
Oh
When some of them nights
We want the water to their heads pointing up river and the thing about it while I is as his eyes are on
somewhat on the top of his head
he's looking up and
It's better to fish higher than the lower
Because they the fish might go by as I got some kinkles other about a couple down there is
We got different amounts of line use short cold long cold short cold long cold. So either
Fish in different areas and fish in different depths and I got my sinker guy. They make my own sinkers is
you can
There's been a lot of these different types of clubs and some of them
Well, they got different those on the wiggle water or rattle stuff like that
according to the height of water and
Current makes lures wiggle more
less soon stuff like that for you
by different reasons
He's like that
So is it the males that bite more on the way natural things that tell you what's happening is
In the spring almost you get a whole bunch of flock. There's granted in a box value because it's so much water is
There's
Gee, there's geese around but
almost you see a bunch of geese fly in north in the spring and that's when I mean flock after flock after flock after flock
And that's when the wall is up up river and all of a sudden you might wait
Go after the wall ice pond is almost you get another bunch of more geese to be flying up north and
You know flock up the flock when it's warmer as well as they're going back down there
the other natural thing is
You haven't seen a frog yet
when the water gets warm
The frogs come out of hibernation
The frogs are croaking and that's you can you know like a marshy. There's some
female
Wall ice didn't spawn yet. So they hang around in the marsh. All those little females are all gone
Then the males hang in there. They might be in fox frogs or minerals and they'll come out
but
The main run is it seemed like after the sturgeon spawn
And the sturgeon spawn of 52 to 55 degrees. There's that first one down. I'll eat it
You
It's really crappy out there. Yeah, it just came down. It's too bad. So I want to we know where it is
But I don't like it a drone shot of this thing, too
Yeah
You guys want to pop I got a Pepsi or something do it. I'm good. I'm good for it. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah
Appreciate
And
While ago
When I talk a lot I get worse. I don't know why
and
Never did but it's not from talking too much. I don't know if I had
I haven't had COVID or nothing but I asked my brother to doctor what
walked up
In my house, you know, the air so dry that it could be affecting
you know that
and I I don't know
When I'm sleeping too, I might I might be breathing through my mouth more
Very knows
They wake up and they get kind of like a drive. Oh, I don't know if I snore
You know over the years, you know, I learned
Oh to make you know how to make the breathing work
Fish fishing down about course
and then I get you know
Use a short pole. That's like my poles. I got them all
I'm showing you one here in the final window
I
There's like the odds are slim. We're gonna get a fish today. Yeah snap
It's got 12 feet of line on
Like this other one
It's got 10 feet of line on
and
that
sets all deep when fishing
but
It's like
See that I have some other pole. They're 20 feet long
I have a long pole and then a short pole. I fish like this
you know, or shorter
Let's say they're four feet down or six feet. It's like if I got
eight feet of line on it and from here
They hang down. There's about two feet a line out of the
water
Roughly and it goes down on the angle
so
That means I got six feet out
You know an eight and an eight quarter. That means I got six feet off
Line in the water
And goes down an angle. I might only be fishing four feet deep
It doesn't mean I'm a fishing eight feet. I'm fishing. I'm on a
45 degree angle
There especially the current taking up. Yeah, yeah, right and
Some of these guys
To find out where the fish are going by we give you a rough idea. They take a cane pole
And I got something too
they put a
Swivel on it
And say they got
The swivel down at eight feet
another one at
10 and another 12 different projects that work done. So
I
So a Easter is this going to be crowded out here still?
They're big probably busy
Because everybody's got off from work and the kids they're off. Yeah, I think
I don't know they're too happy maybe there's something
Yeah
I don't know how many fish they'll catch but
They know they could catch quite a few
Are you gonna be out on Easter? Yeah, well, I'll be out here every day
probably
And I might be
Probably within a week I'll move by the hose
along
Here are some guys might be catching a spawn of fish
Everybody will be able to
I
Think that one was some temple them bio and kind of a political thing
No
One time to all the other fish go to the reefs like we're doing it one
and
It was to take a dump truck out there and then dump we got a hole and they back up and dumped them up rock him
And then one day
What's going out there years ago and
A space crack when Trump went through and the guy was in a
truck and drove
Very quick
These are the halts and rocks out on some sleds. We dumped them in half of that but then we kind of could do it
And some of the reefs a couple of reefs are a mile long that they put all the rocks in
And that's where already died. They did saugard. They helped saugard was they died them, you know
Almost they caught a bunch of you know, D and her take 10 saugars and
kill them and you know look at her microscope like
We took some hatcheries and we died them, you know, but the finding guard is almost like hats
They go and put them runs in a little dump like dump incident get bought the running in and out
and
Many in their head was almost about 80% of them were
the ones we hatched
so they knew the reefs were working so I mean
Then they died some other ones, but yeah
And then after a while they watched because they took some more and then almost there's
More and more of the fish were gonna have a what we've been dying of more and more fish
Didn't have any die in them so it's more natural reproduction so all we can hope is in the long run
We were we told them what for and knew what's reading and that's some money
So that is I have
Yeah, it's for growing long isn't it?
It's a quite cool they go on a quite cool and I thought
Actually this one
It was
Okay
Logging and
This thing
Sure is over 100 years old
You know, I don't know what I think I got it from my dad
And uh, I don't know where he's gonna have a problem
So I'm logging here. I just have it here when logs go by
Logs go by uh, you know, I've done a on the raft or a chunk size
Push it open somewhere. I'm sure the thing is 100 years old or probably more
Yeah, they're eating pretty good
I
This is
We got what we can get. Yeah, it's pretty cool stuff. I think the next step is better. Yeah
I
Know obviously we'll get like some
I could get some different shots in this thing, but I don't know how we get this really sunny when we do that
Yeah, you know fine getting a shot of colleagues going by us. Well, I think we can always reference it. He's out there. Yeah, sure. Yep. Yep. Cool. Yeah
Yeah
No, it's there's something kind of meditative almost about this little thing. Yeah
It's in there. Yeah, then put your eyes back out there
That's it's a lot like ice fish. Yep. It's that is that 100%
But this is I think even more compelling for someone isn't a fish moist that versus ice fish. I don't know. Okay
Just ice fish is too cold or
There's something about the water being open. Oh, I think that
More of a mystery. Yeah, it's like
Fish are out there so much. We're obviously there's some more on it under the ice too, but it's just like well, I think the river is different
Because it's always different fish. Right. It's like the fish that are right here. Yep
Yeah
No, it's pretty interesting. Yeah, seeing all of Wisconsin's fishing culture. Pretty cool
Yeah
Ron Gropos took care of all this sturgeon
because like Mike Blakely and Bego has the most
sturgeon in
Most populated
Go on a sturgeon and make my video
And
It's being our guys trying to get their name. They probably know who I am
Oh
You get out and start walking because we got it
You