you can talk to me if that's easiest doesn't really matter but I guess walk me through a little bit of like what's the right setup for you in order to go what do you need to have in your boat what do you have you can kind of like move around show and tell if you need to but what what makes the best set up all right well as I was saying before every situation is different for us we like to we like to troll so our number one thing is trolling if we got a jig we got a jig if it's that rough and that that dirty that's what you got to do you got a jig but yeah for trolling wise yeah the main thing is yeah you just the boards the boards are huge you know and I give it up for church tackle we might have fight them a little bit or little we use different clips we take all their hardware off and then we use our you know different hardware from different spots we we started this probably give or take 10 years ago wish I would have put a patent on it but I didn't or I should say we didn't and yeah and as you probably seen earlier you know you just clip it on twirl it twirl it three times and click it on but the best the best part about this is when the boards are out there you get a fish on all you got to do is snap it so you don't have to if this is outside board you don't have to bring in them first to like on regular boards or it doesn't matter it could be these boards too but if they don't have these clips you have to bring them first two lines and rods and to get that fish on the outside board with these the way we do it you just clip it or snap it it goes back falls right behind the motor done you bring it in you don't have to you don't have to you're you're fishing you know all the time so that's huge that's a one big part of it why we did that yeah yeah and you're not fighting the board you know sometimes we we don't we don't snap them purposely because if it's you don't want to change direction or pattern or whatever that fish is doing if it's coming in like consistent leave it alone you don't want to do nothing to aggravate it if you want to say but as far as like you've got the engine set up you've got a trolling motor multiple motors like how to how do all those work together for you yeah so with the and then you got the kicker motor in the front or I mean the ball mount in the front so you always use a ball mount for your steering and then you put it on north for your heading and then you always use a kicker to help it along so you're not using all the battery power so that's huge having a kicker on the back yeah of course a ball mount because otherwise if you don't have a ball mount you're constantly steering and then if you got fish on if you got multiple fish on at once then you're you're offline really quick in the graphs the graphs are huge I use the Lorentz in the front that's I use that for my my heading all my coordinates blah blah blah which is good Lorentz is very very good but Garmin the pixels in the Garmin are way better more defined and you got panoptics you got live scope you can all do on that screen alone and then you got the rot you know then I can I could scope out 120 feet and then see the fish you know if you want to yeah and rods I mean if you picked someone else up and put them in here you wouldn't someone else's boat I mean that would just throw everything off right yeah yeah we were just talking about that earlier I'm I got a fishing buddy that I was with last week and then the aim series and he's got a nice setup it's all nice but everything is different you know he's got different clips you don't have clips like we have the the pen reel he's used he uses big pen reels that's a little bit if they're heavier the clickers on the the whole system is different than what I use you know mine is a little bit more in my eyes is simpler it could be mine my stuff could be way different in his eyes too which you know it's it's different yeah other than that yeah yeah every boat is different I mean most guys got other ants and in garments you know a lot of the guys got a lot of the same stuff you know trolling rods jigging rods they're all pretty much we're all pretty much using the same thing but a little different you know everybody has a different feeling to every piece of equipment you know I try to go with the easiest the lightest quickest that's in my eyes because every minute console there when you're when you're in a tournament if you're fun fishing you don't need this stuff that I have you know you can go you can go to flea farm and buy you know whatever you want that's fine but the stuff that we use yeah it costs a lot more money but it lasts a little bit longer you know like the rods the Denali rods we use all Denali's detention you can feel that you know like earlier you probably seen you know I knew that I I felt that little that little head jerk in the rod you could feel it in my hand and I knew exactly what was gonna you know gonna happen but other than that what's the test pound we use 14 14 pound test sunlight for our main but then that goes okay that's different too you know with the we don't run a snap swivel or any of that we just run it direct to the bait but when you run in harnesses that's a different story then you have a leader then you have a leader with a swivel on it and then then you use 20 pound fluorocarbon that we use on that three years now yep and I mean is there like a sentimentality to being in this well comes down to money at this that that time yeah I'd like a new boat but no no this is treated us very well multiple tournaments that were in every year it's yeah no I can't you know I love you it's my baby you know but yeah other than that yeah no it's I love the boat Lund Lund has got a great boat my whole family owns boats which you've seen earlier now when we first started my brother was the side of us he had a lung and my other brothers got a Lund yeah no you said you used to fish with a cousin who's a longtime fishing partner yeah Jason Gable yep that was a big part of your fishing experience yeah yep I started with him about 20 years ago and he was yeah we were we were like brothers we knew we were like actually like twins because we were thinking always the same thing all the time if I told him I put on a bait he already had that bait on before I even even said it you know we were always thinking the same thing you know kind of like me and Shafer Kevin you know in Mikey blank we're always all my teammates Mike hit my son Tristan yeah we're always it's just I don't know I don't want to say it like that or anything but or break or anything but it's you know I taught these guys quite a bit you know and we fish now we all fish together you know and they taught me Mikey blank Shafer every all of us they we taught each other you know which is huge and then when especially when you're in a tournament you ain't got to sit there and bicker or blah blah blah or any you know anything like that you know everybody's got their own you got your job you do your job and it pays off like today today it paid off yes do we wish we were in the tournament today very yes so much but it is what it is yeah you said before that you had your partner with you yeah yep yep I got my buddies ashes in the boat in the glove compartment actually we dumped we dumped the ashes in a few places one of our best spots in Erie twice and then up up at up north by my cabin in his deer hunting spot and then and another spot I can't really say but anyways yeah no he's always with us it don't matter you can come to my house have a urn there his pictures yeah and then if you go in my garage you'd really like that all our fish so when he passed away all our fish was in his in his house so now they're in my garage and I got his jersey with his name on it and all our plaques there yeah it's he's always there he's he's fishing with us all the time and then like last weekend all we did was pray to hey come on much give us a couple good ones you know and he did and he did it we did very well can't complain about that but yeah yeah I miss them we all miss them some a little bit more than others but yeah no that was that was like my brother you know and his mom that's like my second mom but yeah but other than that yeah that's pretty much pretty much our experience and fishing in a fishing world or tournament world I should say not fishing I think it's all we need now we're good thank you at some point we'd like to come to