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then what you can use is the need to believe
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you can use the need to be done well.
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Donald Trump and Kamala Harris
are now sparring over when and where to debate each other.
What a change-up just off the Republican National Convention.
We had to have political panelists,
Republican Bill McCation and Democrat Scott Ross
back again for reaction to fast-moving election news
and thank you guys for coming back to talk with us.
Thank you for giving us a locker.
Just since last Friday, Joe Biden stepped aside
and Kamala Harris stepped in.
I want to go first to you Bill McCation
and ask your reaction to that.
Well, Dems did their best to snap off any balance
from the RNC for Donald Trump.
That's for sure.
You look at the point in history we're at.
We have had three seismic shifts in the last 30 days.
The first was the early debate on June 27th,
which was fatal really for Joe Biden.
Then you had an assassination attempt
and then you have a candidate, a major candidate,
dropping out with 107 days to go on the race.
At no point in our 248-year history
have we ever seen anything like this.
So I think people ought to keep this all in perspective.
How much change there has occurred just in the last 30 days.
Scott, your reaction?
Well, you know, everything that Bill said was correct.
So this is what it sounds like when doves cry.
You know, I mean, it is an absolute and complete turnaround
for where the Democrats were both fundraising-wise.
Enthusiasm, you know, across the board.
I mean, I would not have wanted to be a part
of the Monday morning, you know,
July 22nd Breakfast Club with Trump having to see
what they had to deal with that day because they knew.
I mean, you know, Kamala Harris raised $81 million
the first day.
And now I think by the end of the week
about a quarter of a million between that and the Super PACs,
it was, I mean, it's an extraordinary show of support,
but it's also that unity with Dems like it had not been there.
It had not been there.
Dems are energized by the change.
No doubt about it.
And, you know, we'll see if there's somewhat of a sugar high here
and that sort of melts over time.
I think, you know, for the next 30 days,
Republicans ought to be prepared for a tough race
all the way through the fall.
Yeah, I think I could be, I mean, I'm a broken record on this,
but just the historic first with Kamala Harris's, you know,
the first black woman, the first South Asian,
and the first Gen X or to be in the White House.
And again, going from where Democrats had been
and where the country had been, you know,
we'd had a boomer in the White House from 93 to 2021.
Then we had Joe Biden a little earlier.
This is the first time this could happen.
And, you know, change is always, always favors the candidate
who people don't know as much about.
So I wanted to ask you, who do you think Kamala Harris
should choose for her VP?
Well, I just want to say first right off the bat,
I think that it is embarrassment of riches for the Democrats
with all the great candidates, possibly, who are, you know,
four or five who are being vetted right now.
And I think that shows what happens when you don't have your party
held hostage by a guy like Trump for the last eight years.
My choice would be transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg.
And the reason is because he is the best media person other
than Barack Obama that Democrats currently, you know,
currently have to deliver message and deliver the punch.
And he's also been vetted because he was not only a presidential
candidate, but also transportation secretary nominee.
The vetting part is huge.
And we're struggling with that a little bit with JD Vance.
He was the one candidate in the finals who had not been vetted
on a national stage.
Doug Bergham had run for president.
Marco Rubio had run for president, so they had been vetted.
And I think we're sort of working our way through that.
I don't know who they're going to ultimately choose.
I think they'll make a strategic call, whether it's Mark Kelly
to put Arizona in play or it's Ray Cooper to put North Carolina
in play or it's Governor Shapiro to put Pennsylvania in play.
Those are the options, I think, make more sense than Buttigieg
from a tactical standpoint.
But we'll see.
Republicans will be ready either way.
You're talking about should have vetted JD Vance better
and you're working your way through that.
What does that mean?
Well, here's where I'm at on this.
I think there was an unbelievable change in this race,
the landscape, last Sunday.
And I think we ought to reconsider where we're at.
I don't know that we should necessarily stick with JD Vance.
I think Donald Trump could easily ask the RNC to reconsider their vote
to nominate him if there's a candidate that gives us a better chance to win.
At the end of the day, all of campaigns are about winning.
You can't govern if you don't win.
And if they've got data that shows that there are candidates
that may be stronger than JD Vance, if I'm Trump, I'm considering that.
So now that the shine has come off, JD Vance,
we're starting to learn a little bit more about him.
I lived in the Appalachian region longer than he did,
and my grandmother, Grandma Abuela, would have said,
you know, he perting you or got away with it.
And he didn't.
And Democrats are going to continue to pound on him
because he is the gift that keeps giving an abortion,
calling it murder, saying no exceptions for rape and incest.
The new recording that came out showing that he wanted abortion stormtroopers
to be able to go, made by the federal government,
to go from red states to blue states to chase women
who were trying to access their abortion rights.
You know, as far as Democrats go, nobody puts JD in the corner.
Last Saturday, Trump, I would have put out an 80% chance to win.
Today, I would put it at 60%.
So there has been a closure, no question about it.
There have been six national polls, Trump's leading on five of them.
She's leading on one.
In the swing states, the only state that tightened completely was Wisconsin.
It's now tied, at least on one poll.
So I think Trump's still in a position to win this.
You want to make sure Vance doesn't hurt the ticket in any way,
shape or form.
Scott raised some things that, you know,
there should have been discussed beforehand.
But if I'm playing to win, I'm considering all my options.
I want to leave it with Scott Ross and ask you about what Kamala Harris' entry
into the race does for Tammy Baldwin.
Well, it's huge.
You know, I think that Tammy was going to prevail no matter what.
But this really does a great job with sealing that.
You have to do the work.
You know, but again, Wisconsinites are going to only vote for one California in the race,
and that's Kamala Harris.
You know, I mean, I think that Republicans woke up, you know,
thought that we were going to wake up after November 5th with this red dawn all over the country.
But I think, you know, with Kamala Harris at the top of the ticket,
we are going to have a sea of blue velvet out there,
and I think that's great for the country.
We need to leave it there.
Phil McCosh and Scott Ross, thank you so much.
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That's our program for tonight.
I'm Frederica Freiberg.
Have a good weekend.
Thank you very much.