1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 seven minutes just to let you know that timeframe for our discussion. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Thank you. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 And we're recording. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:29,000 There is a new 10 day ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon. 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,000 And we're into week two of a ceasefire with Iran and new today. 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Iran announces the Strait of Hormuz is open. 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:44,000 The temporary detente in the war with Iran comes in the midst of a build up of U.S. forces having steamed into the region. 8 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Last week we interviewed Democratic U.S. Second District Representative Mark Pokan, 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:55,000 who called the U.S. Israel War with Iran chaos piled on top of chaos. 10 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Tonight we turn to Republican U.S. Senator Ron Johnson. 11 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 And Senator, thanks very much for being here. 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Hello, Frederica. Thanks for having me on. 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,000 So it seems to be welcome news that Iran has declared the Strait of Hormuz open. 14 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:15,000 But what about Representative Pokan's comment that this war is chaos on top of chaos? 15 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Are you satisfied with the war planning that went into this and the move since? 16 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Last weekend I was on one of the Sunday morning shows. 17 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:30,000 And the host started the interview by saying that I was supportive of the war in Iran. 18 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:40,000 And I pushed back immediately by saying no, I am absolutely opposed to the war the Iranian Ayatollahs declared on America 47 years ago. 19 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:49,000 The fact that they have hundreds, probably thousands of Americans blood on their hands and obviously tens of thousands of their own citizens blood on their hands. 20 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:58,000 So what I am supportive of is ending that war once and for all, ending the threat, ending the menace. 21 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:05,000 And ending the, any possibility that they could obtain a nuclear weapon which could be existential to America. 22 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,000 So yeah, is war messy? Is it chaotic? Sure. 23 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 I don't like war. 24 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:19,000 But we had to act before we weren't able to act, before they became a nuclear power, before they had so many missiles and so many drones, 25 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,000 that taking this action would have devastated the region. It's been destructive enough. 26 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,000 But again, I support President Trump's very difficult decision. This is good news. 27 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:38,000 I think we have dramatically degraded Iran's capability to be a state sponsor of terror, to develop a nuclear weapon, 28 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 to hold the Strait of Hormuz hostage. 29 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:51,000 And I think this latest blockade is certainly showing it's, or proving it's worth in bringing Iran fighting the negotiating table 30 00:02:51,000 --> 00:03:01,000 and forcing them into what should be as close to unilateral disarmament and just unconditional surrender as possible. 31 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:10,000 And so you think it's a diplomatic course at this point, not a bombing course to, quote, finish the job, as you've said you want to do? 32 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Yeah, when President Trump met with the families of the fallen at Dover, the dignified return, he reported in his speech that the family is almost to a person 33 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:28,000 and said, OK, we sacrifice now, finish the job. And I think it'd be, you know, not good if we left a regime in place, 34 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:38,000 continue to be dedicated to enrich uranium, not give up those uranium stockpiles, continue to build up their missile and drone stockpiles to continue to threaten the region and threaten world peace. 35 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:47,000 So I want to finish the job. We have obviously decimated their leadership. We've decimated their missiles, their drones, their nuclear program, 36 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 but we haven't finished the job, but we need to do that. 37 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:56,000 You took exception last week to the president threatening to wipe out an entire civilization in Iran. 38 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:04,000 It was a newsworthy rebuke from a high-ranking Republican. What did you think when you saw that threat? 39 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:12,000 I guess I wouldn't call it a rebuke. I was asked a question. I gave an honest answer. We're not at war with Iranian people. 40 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:20,000 We are trying to do everything we can to support them. We want to liberate the Iranian people, not impoverished them. 41 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:26,000 So, again, President Trump has a certain negotiating style. I mean, I, for one, am hoping and praying it works. 42 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:34,000 I mean, Frederica, just think of how, if all these things are successful, it looks like Venezuela is on the road to success. 43 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:44,000 If we can tame Iran, if we can remove that regime and get more responsible leadership in there who are going to be more interested in governing Iran for the benefit of its people, 44 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:56,000 as opposed to their ideology, being a state sponsorship, I mean, just understand how positively that could reset global politics or the geopolitical situation throughout the world. 45 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:09,000 If Cuba could reclaim, if Cubans could reclaim their liberty, their freedom. I mean, these are, you know, Iran should be incredibly successful in procrastination, as should Venezuela, as should Cuba. 46 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,000 And it's only through American leadership that those things can happen. 47 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:27,000 As to not being at war with the Iranian people, an Iranian UW student that is now there says it very much feels to her like the U.S. is at war with the people. 48 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,000 How do you respond to that? 49 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:38,000 That's one person's opinion. Again, we're not doing polls. I mean, they've obviously cast the Internet, so we don't know exactly what's happening inside Iran. 50 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:46,000 I think one of the reasons the Iranian regime is so brutal to its people. I mean, they executed 30 to 40,000 of their own citizens in a couple of days. 51 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Okay, my guess is a large majority of Iranians would like to see the Ayatollahs gone on the dustbin in history the sooner the better. 52 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Again, there are certainly people within Iran who support the molas and the Ayatollahs, but I just had to believe when you take a look at the long history of Iran, 53 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:14,000 the Persian people and stuff, and this has been a prosperous land. The Ayatollahs have just devastated what could be incredibly prosperous and freedom-loving type of country. 54 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:25,000 How in your mind can ordinary Iranian citizens like that UW student of whom we spoke rise up and take over the regime? 55 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Well, it's very difficult. I've pointed this out in the past. For those who just want to keep pushing nationwide gun control and those who want to disarm America, 56 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:44,000 this is what it looks like when a population disarmed, when the only people that have bullets and rifles and weapons are a brutal regime. 57 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:57,000 It leads to tyranny. We had some pretty interesting testimony in the Senate this past week, Congressman Thomas Massey went through the list of regime after regime, 58 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:04,000 brutal dictatorial regimes leading the deaths of millions of their citizens. The first action was always disarming the population. 59 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:11,000 So it's difficult. I think we've certainly weakened the regime. It's as weak as it's ever been in its 47 years. 60 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:22,000 We may have to do some assistance. We may have to provide some, I'll call assistance to the Iranian people so they can finally over top of that regime. 61 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Senator Ron Johnson, we leave it there. Thanks very much for joining us again. 62 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Have a good day. 63 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Thank you, Senator. I had so many more questions, but no more time. 64 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Okay. Well, next time. Thank you, sir. Hey, I wanted to ask you this though. Just before we went on, and we're not recording, 65 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:53,000 but before we went on, you wanted to make sure about when this was airing because of this weekend. 66 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 What, is there anything in particular? 67 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,000 No, I mean, you just don't know. I mean, if it's airing Sunday.