country going huh yeah I know I know yeah it looks like they've got us all set to go as the government shutdown became the longest in US history the impacts piled up across Wisconsin early learning head start programs had to close down shuddering child care programming for hundreds of children one of them covers five counties and is run by the southwestern Wisconsin community action program it closed nine head start classrooms at the start of this month we're joined now by the director of head start programs there Tawny Hardeman and thanks very much for being here thank you so I see that you are joining us from one of your empty classrooms how hard is this for you to see happen I'm very difficult even though this is out of our control we we feel really responsible for our families and the children and the impacts that we make within their lives and so it's really hard to have told the families this after you've encouraged them to you know come to your center enroll in your program to see the empty classroom is hard but there these are three and four-year-old children here at the center they have fun every day we have great teachers here and we just worry about you know what do they do and we miss them yes so children and staff in nine classrooms how many children are now without this early learning that portion of our grant funding serves 145 preschool children ages three and four across like I said nine different classrooms at seven different locations across rural southwestern Wisconsin so and we have 34 staff for load as a result of the lack of a grant how disruptive is this in the lives of the families whose children are there it's extremely disruptive you can imagine as three and four-year-old children it takes a little while to transition into a classroom and to get accustomed to things and then suddenly this routine that they've been in every week ends and they're kind of wondering what's going on additionally with families they rely on these classrooms for child care while some of the families go to work or school and they have when they came to our program in September they would have let go of a different enrollment spot potentially at another child care provider this area is also a child care desert in many of our communities so they were having struggles trying to find other arrangements for their children if they don't have family or friends that are able to help them another thing that impacts the families is that these children receive breakfast lunch and snack at our centers every day kind of through the same program that children receive foods through elementary you know middle school high school and so families were able to rely on that part of their food security and now with the upheaval although it sounds like it's turning around but the upheaval with the snap benefits many families were really wondering about their food security additionally how are they dealing with that do you know and I'm in as much contact with families since the shutdown they were very upset very worried scrambling you know wondering what were they going to do asking our staff if they would be available to watch their children while they went to work you know so yeah they just kind of feel like the rug was yanked out from underneath them they had a routine going they had made arrangements like I said to work or go to school and then in the middle you know right at the end of October we had to let them know that our funding has not been approved for the next 12 month grand cycle so as you mentioned your staff are furloughed going without pay are you worried in that child care desert there in in Southwest Wisconsin that you'll lose staff because they just can't hang on oh yes absolutely we have lost one staff person already that was you know fortunately for that staff person another opportunity came into you know landed in her lap right away and I just said well you know I understand you you're gonna have to go and do that and there will be other staff yes we had three staff that were set to start new hire orientation on Monday November the third and we had already you know completed all of the background checks all of those safety things that we have to for our child care centers and those folks had notified their employer at the time that they would be leaving and resigning and coming to our agency so I don't know if we'll be able to retain those staff we had another three staff that we just hired mid-October so they're in the same thing they just left a former employer and came to our agency and then it just you know I just wonder if they're gonna feel like we're a good agency to be employed with if this has happened right after they've arrived or right as they were planning to come has this kind of disruption ever happened before with this program no this has not to my knowledge this program has been in existence since the 60s and so I don't have all of that historical knowledge but in the you know more recent past 20 25 years no this has not happened how valuable are the benefits of Head Start programming for these children oh they've they learned so many things as they get ready to enter kindergarten you know one of the biggest things that kids learn are some social skills like how do I how do I learn to listen to instructions how do I learn to follow the routines of school how do I make friends you know those things are so much even more important than the ABCs and 123s it's just learning how to listen when when do I sit still when do I get up to go and this might be their first experience away from home so it gets them prepared for what that environment would be like at the school and they have a lot of fun we have a really beautiful outdoor playground and we do have routine and structure but it is a play-based learning environment so they're completing art every day reading books there are there's a block center dramatic play we know how kids love to dress up especially we just had Halloween so they're just gaining so many things so much confidence so we had in this particular classroom we have 14 children and we had three at the beginning there that just were heartbroken right they hadn't been away from home before and they cried and so that part has ended for them they are adjusted they're used to coming and now we're worried if the shutdown happens you know for a long period of time how difficult will it be for them to transition back into this setting even if or when federal funding resumes will you be able to kind of seamlessly bring your programming back up to speed it won't be as quick as what a person might think so when the federal government shut down our regional offices the national offices that support programs those staff were furloughed on October 1st so we have grant applications as I said our grant cycle runs from November 1st October 31st and that grant application is in there in the system waiting to be awarded so once the government opens back up they will have to recall those federal well those regional and national workers for Head Start they'll have to review our application again and then we have to wait for the notice of award so we've our understanding is that could take about one to two weeks and then once we receive the notice of award it hopefully it will be for the full amount that we have you know requested then we would put together a plan recall staff give them a little bit of time in the classroom to get things back up and running such as getting food groceries for breakfast lunch and snack and the contact families so it's going to take us at least probably three weeks would be my guess even after the government reopens hmm Tony Hardeman thanks very much for explaining to us what your program does oh thank you for the opportunity I bet you miss all those little faces too oh I do they're so sweet they have you all the time you know hi when I because my office is here and when I walk by the classroom they say hi and if you're having a bad day there's not a better place to be than to come in take a break and read a book to a child yeah yeah well again thank you I think it really sheds a lot of light on the real world impact of all of this yeah thank you well yeah well thank you for the opportunity have a great day you too good luck going forward thanks bye bye bye thanks you too bye bye