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Robert?
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I have occasionally done that.
If I know you've got to do that.
All right.
So I'll kind of restart.
So there's been a long term sampling by a variety of
agencies on Crescent Lake.
They're looking at the figure here.
You can see routine monitoring throughout the years.
You have the number of age zero walleye in this dark blue.
Number of age one walleye in this light blue.
This number per mile is we go around the entire shoreline
electrofishing.
Whether it be glycolic or DNR.
You can see pretty consistent recruitment of getting age zero
and age one.
But right around 2018 we haven't got much sense at that point.
So we're kind of seeing a little bit less reproduction and
recruitment going on there.
And what that.
Then means.
To the adult population.
Is it also had a pretty consistent and healthy walleye
fishery, but we've seen.
Put that failure group in 2022.
We actually had the lowest adult population.
Historically.
Across all of our service.
There was it slightly below the three point.
Zero three.
Three adults per acre benchmark that's used for a healthy
sustainable walleye fishery.
Like a point nine.
So it's not super low, but with that consistent failure
recruitment, that adult population is still probably decreasing.
So that's part of the concern there.
We're also seeing other changes that are going on within Crescent
Lake.
So looking at the bass large, not fast.
Small, not fast.
We did a lot of fishing service specifically focused on them in
2010 and in 2022 and 2010.
We are actually unable to get enough large enough bass to
generate a population estimate.
So that means there's barely a little in there.
You can see that catch per hours.
Less than two.
There's more very few in there.
Jump to 2022.
We actually got a population estimate of 7.4.
So increased drag spin.
You can also see that in the catch per hour of our life
efficiency.
So you're seeing a big increase in large enough bass.
Smallmouth bass are pretty similar.
So in 2010, there was 1.3 per acre.
And then 2022, there's 1.4.
So smallmouth bass haven't changed that much.
And you can kind of see that as well in the catch per hour.
So you're seeing a decrease in the adult population of walleye
and an increase in the largemouth bass as well as you're seeing
changes in the bluegills and the crappies or other panthes within
the system.
So at that same baster, they also focused on panthes.
So in 2010, you actually didn't capture any black crappies and
relatively few bluegills.
Whereas you jump forward to 2022, you see an increase in the
number of black crappies as well as a pretty large increase in
the bluegills.
So you're seeing some fish community changes going on there
within that.
So as the DNR got that information, we started assessing
all of the 2022 survey.
We were seeing some of these trends.
We wanted to report that out and see if other people were seeing
similar trends.
So you reached out to moleg, crescent lake association class,
crescent lake district as well as great links in the official
wildlife commission to see if they were seeing similar trends and
get them openly communicating about what's going on and if what
was going on.
So the DNR was seeing was aligned with other people who were seeing.
We actually wanted to see that would host or be a part of a
public meeting.
So they were all supportive of having a public meeting.
So on June 4th in 2024, we actually hosted a public meeting to
discuss the wildlife population as well as general trends that
the other members or other users of the lake were seeing.
All of those trends kind of aligned with what the DNR was
seeing.
So at that same meeting, we discussed approach to potentially
rehabilitate the wildlife population called the wall is
likely concerned.
This model has been used on a variety of other lakes.
So clearly in Catherine within one county or two of those four
lakes that are being used.
So we're applying that model, which incorporates a variety of
different users groups to get their opinions and ideas on what's
going on within the system and how we can address those
declines.
So we held that meeting on June 4th.
It seemed like everyone was supportive of going down that
route of a wall at a lake of concerns project and they wanted
action.
So with that, the DNR started taking some action based off that
to rehabilitate the walleye regulations and put forth
walleye change in the walleye regulation that's working
this way through the Wisconsin Conservation Congress
currently.
That is the rehabilitation regulation of an 18 inch man with a
2020 with a 22 to 28 protected slot and only a one fish bag.
So that's currently working this way through the Wisconsin
Conservation Congress.
It'll be voted on April 14th.
Is that the meeting?
The week of the week of April 14th.
So if you want to vote on that, you have the right there and
along with that while the regulation since we're taking
potential harvest away, we want to provide other harvest
opportunities.
So we're putting a more liberal regulation on the large
mouth bass, where it's going from that 18 inch man and one bag
to a no minimum length limit to a five bag.
So we're taking some potential harvest away, but you're
providing another opportunity to harvest.
So we're making changes both way or I shouldn't say making
or proposing to make those changes because it's still got to work
its way through Wisconsin Conservation Congress and can
support that way.
We're not just making those on your own, but that's a process
that takes a little bit and another portion of the
Wally's electric concern project is continuing monitoring.
So in 2024, MOLAC actually completed a fall electric
fishing survey.
And they saw a very large cohort of those age ones.
We didn't see any age zeros in 2023, but we did staff
extender of fingerlings in 2023.
So that large bump of age ones in 2024 are likely from
stocking.
The whole late share that information with the partner
group.
So myself as well as Lake Association and Lake District.
We had conversations on what kind of can be done to protect
this in the meantime before the regulation changes gone.
One of those actions that was recommended was to encourage
catch and release.
So Lake Association helped the DNR as well as Glyphwick and
all Lake put together this catch and release sign as well as
spread that information out to their users.
So Lake Association like district share that information.
This sign was put up on the O-RAN to make everyone aware of
this partnership that's going on as well as this rehabilitation
program.
So encouraging catch and release of Wally.
Along with that, there was more discussions on how can we
further protect that big cohort.
There is a way to change the regulations from a special
regulation.
So the current regulation for Wally on Crescent Lake is a
special regulation.
It's that no minimum length limit, which is not seated
territory standard.
So the state can more quickly change from a special
regulation to the state wide regulation or seated
territory regulation, which is seated territory regulation is
that 15 inch men with a 20 to 24 protected slot.
So as you can see on this figure, you have a 2022 and 2024
survey data, a total number of measured number of fish handled
and there are lengths right there.
So with the no minimum length limit, a whole population
is exploitable.
That doesn't mean you're going to keep fish all the way down to
eight inches, but if someone wanted to, they could.
Whereas under the 15 to 15 inch men with a 20 to 24 protected
slot, you can only harvest 64 or only 64% of that population is
actually harvestable.
So you're reducing the number of individuals that potentially
could be removed from the population as well as protecting
that upcoming cohort of those H ones that were captured in
2024, which kind of looking forward.
So like I said, we proposed the 18 inch to 20 or the 18 inch
minimum with a 22 to 28 protected slot, the rehabilitation
regulation that's working its way through the conservation
Congress.
That doesn't necessarily mean to be put in place.
If it doesn't get support there, it won't go into place.
So getting this 15 if this 15 inch seated territory standard
regulation is supported, that would be in place for a year.
Well, this regulation works its way through the conservation
package.
If this isn't supported at the Congress, then that 15 inch
men, if it was supported here would still be in place.
Does that make sense?
Just go back.
So you're saying that the one that would be up for the
spring or the one that's in there now started with a 14 inch
limit.
Correct.
No, it's the one that's working its way through is an 18 inch
men.
So this it would be this one, 18 inch men with a 22.
The current rag is a no man with only one over 14 inches.
Right.
But then what was the one that looked like it was going
in like the spring hearings?
That's this one right here.
What was that?
That's what's good.
That's what's going to be on the spring hearing.
Can we go back one?
Yeah.
So what you're asking, what we're proposing to do is change the
regulation temporarily to.
So this is the current regulation.
Correct.
And then this is a proposed one through the conservation
Congress.
Okay.
And what we're proposing to do today is temporarily change it to
protect it for the year.
Why would we go through the proper process?
Okay.
Because this wouldn't go into place until 2026.
So this year would be the 15.
Yes.
One.
Okay.
Yeah.
One.
We were getting the three different.
When you were sending me stop going.
Yeah.
It's very confusing.
Because you have like three different regulations.
You have the current one.
You'll have the one that is being proposed.
This one.
Going to the 20 in the in place in the 2026.
It's supported.
And then you have this other regulation, this seat of
territory standard, which would go into place.
The start of the evening year for Saturday.
The other Saturday night.
And yeah.
With that, thank you as well as.
My legs, great legs, like association, like district,
and other stakeholders.
Happy to take any questions and clear up anything or.
There's a restriction on that on the license.
To the Indian bands that spear the lake.
Do they also regulate what their bag limit is?
I'm going to punt on that.
And send that back there.
There's a lot of school had a better understanding of that.
Okay.
So.
They can, the, the biologists can.
Describe how they get.
And we're allowed to catch.
So this year we're allowed.
To catch what?
Three hundred and twenty.
Three twenty two.
But we're proposing to only harvest.
Six.
Last year we.
We're allowed to get three.
About the same.
Three, three, nineteen or something.
And we harvested ninety.
So we're going to decrease.
We're talking about decrease.
We haven't had our, our fall.
Spirit is meeting up, but that's what we're going to be.
Talking with our screws about.
It's too.
To 60 to 60.
Always for this year.
Now.
He said that it's, it's nothing that we're required to do or.
Under our model code, you don't have to do that.
That's just something that we want to do.
That's our, you know, that's one of our lakes that we harvest to.
We want to make sure that.
That there's fish in there and try to find out what's.
What's happened, why the recruitment has gone down to nothing.
Because it's been a fantastic lake for.
I mean, I haven't experienced that lake for 40 years.
And there's always been a fantastic wallet issue there.
And for the last couple of years, there hasn't been any movement.
So.
Let me explain last year.
We've been in.
We're doing some lakes in the mass.
And we've had some success.
However, some of that success as it hasn't been there.
We're still working on.
So.
I could explain to you some of the lakes that we have worked on.
We have a lot of success.
And then there's some lakes that just we're still working on.
One night this year.
We're going to put our official.
So we need to.
Try and.
It goes.
You can get some action.
Right. So.
That's what we're going to pose to our.
Our fishermen.
That is.
Our meeting is actually.
This is kind of really good.
So those are.
Yeah.
So I guess last year they already voluntarily reduced their harvest before the anglers even started to do that.
I'm assuming they saw some of the conversations we had.
With the first wallet concerns meeting.
So they reduced their harvest already.
So the anglers take a little bit longer to make those sorts of changes to the regulation process.
What was the recruitment for 24.
For age zero.
None.
Age one from the stacking was pretty good in terms of.
You know the actual number.
Or number for mile.
For age one.
Twenty one.
Which is the second highest that it had been the entire.
History of the lake.
As a result to this.
Yes, most likely.
We can't say for certain because we didn't take genetic samples to confirm that.
But not catching any eight zeros in the previous year would likely indicate that it came from stock.
They're going to be catching this year.
So it got stopped in twenty twenty.
Three.
So it would be on quotas for twenty twenty five.
It would be the extended girls so the larger ones again.
Yes.
For the corners here.
So you're extending ones are.
That.
Same.
I was seven and I, but.
It's that general frame.
Fisherman.
Yeah.
I just have a follow up question on the spirit.
No, so the, the female is obviously the most important.
You know, as I've never spirit before.
I mean, it's different, but.
Okay.
It's pretty.
So how do you control that?
And I don't really understand what.
Rules you have to abide by.
Is there any way to limit the emails you're taking?
Those seem to be.
So.
So we could show you our data.
So we're going to do that.
We're going to do it right now.
The next time.
Female's diversity males that.
Stay wide.
And we have that.
That we harvest during the sprint.
And.
My excuse me.
85% male itself.
So there's two things that.
Work in that table.
So one is the behavior of the law.
During spawning time and males move up and they kind of sit on the
is less. So just with that, these spears are more likely to encounter males. And the other part of it
is regulatory. There's so per permit, spears allow one fish of any size and one between 20 and 24
inches. Permits are usually one, 20 to 30. 30. Yeah, so a lot of times those are bigger females,
30 fish, maybe two of them might be, but they don't always take those two. You know, they might,
those could also be smaller. So, also, I mean, having that.
And knowing that, that, um, there's mercury in a lot of fish, you know,
bioaccumines, you know, you know, you know, you know, fish.
So when those big females, so they come to the top, they become flat. And then they release a hormone
and that attracts fish. So then they'll drop one of the males come in the wrong and they'll drop
down anywhere from four to 12 males that come around. So we picked the males out from
around the kidney. Better taste of fish, those are, you know, under 20 inches. Those are those
are the best eating fish. So that's the ones that, that, that the only ones, the only ones that are
females that are in a state that are hard is the ones that are the same size as the males that are
and that, that happens where you're at. That's not where, that's not where, what we're targeting.
There was an online question asking if there's anything that DNR is going to do to
increase harvest of electron bass, something along those lines. There is the work to get that
no minimum length limit on the bass. So we are reducing the length limit as well as
increasing the bag. So it's becoming a more liberal regulation for the bass. That's working
this way or being going to be proposed at the Wisconsin Conservation Congress spring hearings
this year. So that's what the DNR is currently doing for that. For hopefully for implementation
in 2020. Yes. What's this speculation on why there is sense of low approval? There are so many
potential things that are impacting that, that we can't do a specific thing. There could be
changes in habitat, there could be changes in climate, water temperature, change, fish community,
that silver bullet, identifying what that actually is. If you can identify that, you will probably
become a hero in a very very rich indeed area. I've heard this before, Nathan. What are you guys
chasing? What are you chasing as the reasons for why it's happening? You got to have some thoughts.
You just can't keep coming up with the same system. You can't just keep coming up and say,
well, it could be the temperature, it could be the chemistry, it could be the ice out,
it could be the ice in, it could be the temperature during the summer, it could be, you know, the
vast. What are you, which is the old? I mean, all of those are chasing, all of those are being
pursued to see if those are the actual cause. Whatever you've found up to this. You can
inclusive that on one leg, it'll be this, on another leg, it'll be this, another system
this, they're all different. So getting that specific silver bullet that is impacting it
isn't known and that's why it's so challenging because one like responds differently than another
like, another like, responds differently than another like. So getting that overarching,
what is the actual cause? It's tough when there's so many different things that could be potentially
impacting and I mean, it could be a combination of things impacting influencing together that
are causing this. So getting that one thing, I personally don't know. I'm not looking for the one
we are. There's a lot of research going on trying to understand what you're chasing. It might be
two things, it might be three things. It's not going to be one thing. And I understand that.
The nice thing about our partnership is that we can all focus on something a little bit different
and I went through Aaron under the bus here. Aaron, you know, Aaron's the climate change
biologist for public and he has, you knew with a lot of like shoreline development habitat and those
anthropogenic effects on the lake. So I would add those stressors to the mix. I would say shoreline
development, that's a stressor for young fish. And I would say that chemical treatments have
also been shown to be stressors for young people. So, you know, it's a problem like what they've been
saying is probably a combination of all those factors and they're just not making it to page zero.
You know, when we sample them in the fall. And so, you know, on each system, it's going to be a
little bit different. One system that might be there's a golf course with golf and there's,
you know, phosphorus going into the system right next to the storm.
Maybe there's folks putting in the dots right on top of spawning grounds at the same time that
those eggs are developing, the eggs and developing pride. It's going to be a whole
bunch of factors leading to low improvement or low improvement.
There's only so many things within our control. So those are the things that Nathan is working
on manipulating. That's, Angela Hargis is one of them.
Hopefully that if you increase that adult population back to what it was,
maybe then they'll be able to produce enough offspring that they can
overcome some of those stressors that might be impacting. Whether it be
changing fish meat. Also, we might be helping to ship that fish community to something more
suitable if more bass are harvested and that kind of stuff. So there's a whole bunch of different
moving parts in this that are all being considered as well as evaluated.
And that is the next thing about the partnership is we all can kind of focus on the things where
we have an expertise on. I want to call it an expert more knowledge based on. So the partner
group allows us to do that. That's one of those really nice things. We get feedback from you as
like associations, you know, about usage and priorities. Mole Lake can give us an idea about
usage and they can change their hardness strategies. So it really isn't.
I was also going to say that we're dope as biologists. We don't get out there all the time in the
spring. You guys are out there all the time using the system. So you might catch onto some of
these things. Seeing the change in the best community before we do. Seeing the change in the
wall I fish in before you might be seeing that upward trend where they're improving,
where we haven't been out there a while. So we don't get that. So this partnership that
brings all these groups together and has this open line of communication is really important
to keep everyone on the same page as well as transparent of what's going on and potentially
be able to react more quickly to sell changes. In those partnerships that we all have when it
comes to this slate, they are really important. And the knowledge that each and every one of us
brings to the table needs to be heard and we should be expressing that a little bit.
The concerns are great, but we see a lot of things out there. Most of those go through the years. I
mean, we had really good water years, but we lived for the only years of drought and being out on
those lakes in the spring of the years. When you see them, a lot of the spawning habitat
is nothing but dry land. No water in there, no water for the fish to actually spawn with the
traditionally responded. We lived for that for many years, five years in that drought going on.
So we had split levels going on for a number of years. And again, they're coming down again.
So we have to be concerned with that. But at night, you know, it's not illegal to be out on the water
at night and looking at the shoreline. And I suggest that everybody take a night, you know, a nice
calm night, take a light, go around your lake and see exactly what's all there. Because we see
how land owners are taking care of the lake, how some areas are all raked out and
nice sand blankets put down and, you know, the rocks are changed around. And like you say,
the docks are out there. Just a lot of different things, but there's still things going on to the
water that are, I mean, we can still hear people brush their toilets and you can still see water
moving out there. There's some leaching from the septic system and somebody in the water.
Well, we're trying to treat these lakes under one certain regulation, but in all actuality,
like he said earlier today, they're all different. Every single one of the systems are different
and you have to understand what that system is that you're dealing with. Crescent Lake, a great
lake that I can tell you from having been there and speared years ago to going there now, we used
to always go to the right of the building and go to the point there and have your fish.
Now it's like, again, go to the other side of the lake and other people want to go to the other side.
I'm saying that's a fish one there. But this last year, I might have done that a year before,
we went out there on Crescent Lake to do that same stretch. We eat too many weeds,
not the nerves but bass and crappies and you might have seen two qualities on that stretch.
It's not the same habitat that they were spawning in before. So those were some of the things.
And Wayne and I, we like to go around a lake if we have the time just to see what the entire lake
looks like. So that's the history that we have. And then once we base a lot of our herd, some
weathery condition, the wind condition, there's a lot of different things that the other fish
and the skin is different. And we want to make sure that we're out there harvesting fish that
our community needs.
We're glad to work with you. We're glad to share time with you.
We're glad to take your most efficient and have you observed us in our activity because
there's nothing wrong with it.
All of it. There's nothing illegal.
Wayne, you said, well, what's it about?
I don't think about all of this.
See, you know, there are the lights, you know, all of you went there.
Sure. You can go out and home if I didn't get rid of that all of a moment.
We may rather get on the next year. Information and education is what helps.
So one of the things that I would encourage anybody who is interested in a lake,
I mean, before said, we're out there all the time.
You can see me. But when you see a lake at night, behind a light, there's so much more
than we could see that's going on in that lake.
You know, how many fish are there? What size of the fish are? Where they're at?
Where they're at at certain times. And if all of you that live on the lake would just actually
go out there and get a headlamp because it's not illegal. You can go around and you can watch
all of those fish where they're at. What size they are, what health they are, you know, how healthy
they are, how healthy they are. Who do we talk to these guys?
Because they're not out there all the time. They're asking us for information
that will help them solve this problem. So if we all do that together, I mean, I think that
we'll get there a little bit a little bit soon. Now, there's there's some kind of kind of change
things that we're talking about. And that may be so. But we're also talking about climate adaptation.
How can we move forward? How can we adapt to it? So those are things that really, it's an
ambition. My other ambition is also feeling that. So, you know, there's a lot of things that we're
we're concerned about, but we would like for you to have also participate with
the DNR and give your feedback to them because we're there working for you. So,
that now starts again. I mean, thanks so many of the tribes. We can change our regulations
to kind of drop the hat. We can we can do that. We can't make them sometimes what we want because
we need to have it again. I don't know if that's something. But we can be more restricted
than the drop of the hat. And you have to. And we have it. Yeah.
I just have a question about this not the proposed regulation, but the one you want to put in place
starting this maybe. How is that information disseminated to the public? Is it going to be in
the regulations book? So, it's related to the in the regulations book, but it will be updated
to online. And then if you check out like the NRCode, it'll make there's an emergency or there's
been a change to this as well as it'll be posted online. There'll be a public notice that would go
out. No, go ahead. Okay. And then say someone would go to Crescent Lake and want to know what the
regulation and looked up on their phone. It would then be chained down line. It's just the paper
copy. You know, as well. I know they're not going to use a paper. They're not going to use it. Well,
I got to take a picture of the big fish with the cash. We would post that regulation sign right
next to the current sign that says consider. And then using. Yeah, where that sign is considered
released that would go right next to me. So people will like go whoa. It'll be the same size.
It'll be in front again. Right. Yeah. And then we'll utilize the Lake District and Lake
Association. Like we did with the catch and release thing to make it aware to those other
people that are on the leg. And you guys share with the people that might be just using the
light. So it's taking advantage of all those different resources that we have. So I'll give you an
example of how the Lake Association does readability like in Tanda. I mean, one of the primary reasons
why the population noise went down in Tanda was the overbundings of bullets. So the tribe went out
and with with some help. They like to fish the lake took as many of them go heads out. So it got
to a point where really they weren't getting it more. But they have a lot of these little
ditty bullets that were going to be big bullets. So the Lake Association, they recruited people
around the lake to go out to get permits to go way around in the water at night to move up
bullets, the little ones. So that was one of the primary reasons why, right, that there was some
while it seemed to like rebound relatively quickly. So they're trying to
advance back pretty well. But it was the cooperation of everybody. It was a living association.
People that lived on this, it was a DNR. It was like the common justice violence was tried. It's
built with. So everybody was working together to do that. You know, that's what we want. I mean,
it's for everybody to get fresh. So I just encourage everybody to do this as much as they can.
I like that, thank you. Let's do it at the beach farm shop.
A little bit harder because it's got to go say on regulation change. Once that regulation changes,
you can have hook them and cook them like tournaments out there. You know the curve. I'm a
chain figure. Yeah. They're very good to be people. People might shy away from large golf bass,
but I kind of enjoy them. I tell you, I learned email tasks. I never used to eat them in the
slippery nut from spring. They caught them in the winter and in the spring. They're fantastic,
isn't it? I never got that on.
No, it's not. If I can't switch this.
Well, like it's just like like red horse or a lot of you. It's coming out of cold water,
like an order. That's the best I've eaten. It's all about that cold water. And we're actually
are fishing meetings. We're trying to get more and more of our people to to fish everything,
not just walleyes. And Chris, we're all spirit. We spirit northerners. We spill
spirit. Smallmouth, largemouth. This guy's severe strawberries and little fish also. So, I mean,
it's a variety of fish and they're all good to eat.
It's like it takes more skill to catch the smallmouth. It takes more skillless spirit
the smallmouth too. Well, we got the smaller spears. But they're like the smaller frog spears
in different sizes. So, yeah, it's, this guy's loaded up. I'm going to get pointed.
It is as hard as you think, but there is a lot more missus.
They kind of sit in the water. You don't get to point at it. It's going to be the sphere of
catching your brain home. Do you guys have any other questions? Yeah, I got questions about
them. What's going on with the busking?
Stocking. Stocking this year because of a scroll that happened last year. I don't know if you know
that. What happened with that? Yeah. So, from my understanding, the hat tree wasn't able to
produce enough fish. So, then it ended up that Crescent Lake didn't get stocked with fish.
Right. They thought they had them. You know, then they did when they did the lake before.
Yes. Okay. Now, we were on the minus the COVID year when nobody
came in. We were on the even amounts. Okay. Then we didn't get fish last year.
Because that changed it to uneven amounts. We're going to get them on the uneven. So, when are we
when is it predicted? We'll get some. But we get it this year because we missed it last year when
we should have had. No, because it'd be on the same rotation that it's currently on. So, it'd be
that next year. Not 26. Yeah. So, but across the lake, we're trying to just stock one species
every year. So, while I didn't get it, the past, it's always been 154 muskies for the windows.
We don't have muskies to make that up this year. It's not like we can say, oh, we'll just
put fish out with fish in this last year. We don't have that kind of production,
finances right now raise that many additional days. So, it's going to be.
So, I can't presume that because we didn't get them last year, we were the last lake to get them.
That would be first on the list to get 154 this year.
Right now, right here. No, because we missed out on the year we were supposed to get. Now,
we gotta wait two minutes yet. So, what happens if we, something goes wrong in 26?
And you wait to 28. So, that is being a point.
That is. So, how do you recover from that? If you have consistently, you know, muskies are
long and special rates. So, it's not like a job where they're a couple of years old and
they're harvested and a couple of years after that, they're all gone.
A muskie you're talking about about six years to reach low 30s. We're starting to catch them,
look at mine, looking at about nine to 10 years to reach four inches. And this country, the ones
that make like a 50 inch size, it's only going to be females and males when you get that big.
And you're looking at 18ish years on average to get to that side. So,
so it's not what I'm saying is not as critical because you have that longer span.
If you miss a gap, yes, there's a gap there. I guess I wouldn't expect to miss two cycles in a
row. But if you did, that would be a much stronger argument to say Nathan, we're sure, but see if
we can get on your four or something.
And Chad, you did the Asian, right? We got a pretty nice span of age out there.
Yeah, we had a wide range of year classes out there. Pretty.
Yeah. And right about average growth or most of the way it's in the area.
That's the only way.
That's just doesn't mean.
Well, yeah, and not that it's going to make you feel better, but you want to know.
I know that doesn't mean to feel better.
Yeah. Okay. So here's one other question. This is for money, okay.
Because we always have problems that are we going to put chemicals in at the Eurasian
mill force that's starting to go crazy somewhere. That's always been a
high issue with the DNR and our association. Okay.
Is there a spearing map of press on plate? This is the areas that you spear in
so that we know to stay out of there if there is a.
You're even no book problem there. You would even ask for the
items. You have a scary.
Our team for press one type.
No, you don't have apps that do that.
We pretty much should go by.
Yeah, just you know where it is.
But one of the things that the DNR does do is they met they let us know whenever in
our area. They let us know whenever there's a permit that's a five board that will do that
they were there just proposing to treat the whole thing and the fits of all ice
very late. That's an area that we have say so then what it'll do if they do decide to do it,
they will do it after spirits.
Is there a way?
I don't know since 1965.
I watched for you guys Peter so I'm great but you know where you're going and it's been that
year almost every year all the time but there's nothing.
Is there any way that we could get something marked for ourselves though?
Well, because I'm not going to be around all my life.
Sure. I think on multiple levels we need to make those maps because we need to just getting
back to the restoration. No one's done a thorough evaluation. It's long enough.
It's possible there's a disturbance so we need to go back, talk to spears, go back through
the issue survey maps, identify areas of those on the spots where you identify them and then
follow up. We want to follow up to just having time versus follow up.
Right. I think that this is just one of the things we're going to want to play in that
or question like Wayne was saying with regards to any treatments that they should
I think it was the way they've been done by sometime now.
You can already see all that.
If the treatments are done quite a bit changing down the line and down the road
time-wise, the problem in spearing.
There's still some concern about larval fish or about fish that are always
financially pleased. You can find the other good beings who's
might not even be that it's running grounds.
It's a great identify where they're at and you haven't had stuff on the spot.
Also understanding where larval fish go and then also in monetary
treatments or trying to project for treatments, which are all that kind of stuff.
Larval fish, not only walleye, the perch, which are very part of the walleye.
When you guys do that, Mike, when you get that together and you know that
you've got to get a copy of that so that we're talking together but we're also talking with
the DNR.
That's part of this. The walleye is like there's concern. It's like bringing us together and
having those conversations. That's what we did in children.
I don't know, we'll see what kind of relationships
that people will need again, maybe after the fall, so we're amazed and see how things are going.
But those are the things that people want to address and the walleye is like such a certain
framework. I think it's a good point but someday we're just going to focus on these regulations
because this is what we can control today. I'm looking for maybe
and so that's what we're controlling today.
What? That being said, I don't know, do we have something on the books?
We're going to wait until we get another more survey data.
Yeah, I didn't have plans but that doesn't mean we can't schedule on them.
I hadn't thought forward so I've been focusing on this one for once after this.
Just getting through these right relations and then see where that goes.
I mean, we've done a good job communicating with when we can't get new information,
when it becomes available, might share that with us right away.
So keeping those open lines of communication, when new information becomes available is
what I was assuming it was where we were going to go and then if we felt necessary that another
in-person meeting was needed, we could have a form at it.
But keeping those lines of communication open as new information becomes available.
I'm going to go ahead.
I'm going to take it off the video in here a little bit.
So it's a bit different than what Mike is saying a little bit further.
I think we should be identifying those spawning areas.
Are there anything we can do to maybe improve that?
But at the very least, we should be designating them as critical head and back.
And so I think that is a good step forward
for the one that we develop a plan here this week.
Now, for chemical treatments, we know that Q4D, and I know that's not being used anymore,
but that chemical, that can decrease survival of larval fish anywhere
from 100% to 100% depending on water count stream.
And so they switch to a new chemical or cellophore, which we know nothing about.
So nothing about how to best larval fish.
Okay. And so, you know, if you're applying the chemicals,
you don't know what it would be doing to those fish.
And so I just, I caution you if you're considering chemical treatment.
I guess, I mean to joke because I'm something you said.
I really think this is, as we're going around, these are discussions we have at a later point.
Like today, we're really focused on the regulation and that.
And I think that's where we need to stick with that.
We can let you respond quickly, but after that, we really need to stick with that.
And we can revisit the need for the whole herbicide and those interactions,
but we don't have that information right now.
So I think just let you respond and then we'll continue on.
That's not true.
We've got documentation on Crescent Lake, the University of Wisconsin,
and the Department of Natural Resources came to us,
asked us to do a mineral study, one of the years that we treated,
and we did exactly as Madison wanted.
And there was no proof that any of the larval fish that was involved in that
survey that testing were expected.
So I guess.
So if you guys aren't looking at, Scott came and asked me,
Scott came and asked me if he would be willing to do this.
And we did.
And it was done at the time of treatment in a treated area,
a non-treated area separated significantly and blocked by land.
And it came back in, I don't know, but September, October.
And there was no issue from that report.
So that we know about Crescent Lake.
So I guess they're still putting that study together and summarizing those results.
But I got a different story from Gavin than what you just told me.
So the, yeah, he has, once they incorporated a bunch of other lakes, the storage changes.
I'm concerned about Crescent Lake.
I'm not concerned about it.
So gosh, I'm not concerned about doing Julia or anything.
I'm concerned significantly concerned about Crescent Lake.
You know, which is.
And I'm concerned about it.
I'm just on that.
It's not my big test.
So we're going on a similar court.
I really think we need to revisit this later on.
You got your point, Scott.
But when the group gets back together, maybe that's something we discussed now,
because today we're really focused on that regulation and kind of getting towards our end.
As you guys leave, there's a ballot to kind of fill out.
Are you supportive of going to that seated territory standard for a year,
knowing that if that rehabilitation regulation does not get approved,
it will stay as that seated territory standard.
But if the special regulation gets approved by the Congress,
it will go into that seated territory regulation will only be in place for a year.
So there's about there, you can say, so you support that,
you don't support that, or you have no opinion on that.
And then for the people online, there's a poll that will be sent up as well.
So that the people online can also voice their thoughts on whether or not
they support this regulation change or not.
So when Mike presented to the Lake Association and he talked,
and I think you just mentioned it a little bit earlier,
how important perch are for the walleye.
And we know that the perch levels have gone down significantly in present as well.
I mean, do you guys stack perch or normally we don't stack perch or raise them?
I guess I hadn't thought that the perch were that low on there.
And we don't really have the data to support those trends because perch is a little bit tricky.
We don't have a very good understanding of how you sample them when you sample them.
We come across them when we're sampling, say, for walleye because they spawn similarly.
But to get a good understanding of what's actually going on there,
we don't really have a solid idea of how you do that.
So we can't look at that trend.
So you're saying it decreases.
That would mean to us that it's probably decreasing, but how we address that.
Hopefully after making these other changes, you're producing or increasing the potential
harvest on bass or making those other changes that maybe they'll come back
and be more prevalent to help the walleye within there.
So I guess more just hope that the changes that you're making
haven't influenced, not just on the species that you're making those changes too,
but they kind of cascade and improve the purchase.
Just to jump into, we do track, at least to tell the track perch in our fall surveys.
So when you think about what is probably important for especially young walleye,
as far as forage and what they're eating is probably like two, three, maybe four-inch perch.
So you can have, those can be abundant, but if you're eight, nine,
and ten inch per chart there, your anglers might not be catching money, even though there's enough
of the forage size.
So that's kind of a question maybe about which size is missing or if the population has overall
long-down.
Getting back to that spot-like surveys, maybe if you guys go on to those spot-like surveys,
you'll see some of those smaller perch that many can report that back to us to inform how we
make those. So getting that optimized communication and multiple avenues of data coming in would be
helpful there.
Aaron, did you get a chance to talk about the materials you promised?
I like them.
I think it was most folks around the room, but, you know, pop up here in the front.
So we have Fazadegan. This is the, we're going to be talking papers from Goodwick.
Um, you can subscribe to that if you, if you want to get it in the mailbox.
This is a history status update for the seated territories.
A few of my ears old now, but I handed that out at the, when I presented it, they grew.
So we're going to have that hasn't changed since, so yeah, we're due to update.
Hopefully this year, you know, yeah, 2019, there hasn't been any
things that are in there are still current in terms of the process of how things are monitored
and how the harvest system works. Like, um, it's ready for it. It's been six years.
And then, um, the shoreline living document, this is from the Midwest Glacial Lakes Partnership.
It's, it just, it just shows you what a native shoreline could look like if you've already,
if the habitat has already been disturbed. So good to pass around. You can order copies
through the website if you're interested in sharing with other folks around the lake.
And then this is a brief explanation of treaty rights in the seat of the territory. So you pick
up those and then of course, um, and lastly, we are putting together a climate adaptation
going that we're putting into that life by taking the survey. Just hold your thought off,
take a picture of the QR code and swap it. It should, it's, it's a short survey.
So if we don't have any other pressing questions, I'm going to
kind of ramp it up, but stick around and we'll talk them on ourselves.
Um, we'll leave a little bit for a little bit of that. If you have some questions that maybe
that we didn't address or you didn't want to ask, um, um, Wayne, are you okay? Stay in for a little bit.
I do want to thank everyone for showing up. It was very helpful. So appreciate you guys all
coming out. Hopefully you guys found it informative and we can move forward with the direction that
we're going as long as I still have more of the wall link concern approach. Keep these open lines
of communication. Whenever we have new information, we'll share it out with you guys. So I'll see you
guys coming out. Don't forget to hold on. Don't forget to sign up. Make sure you're trying to
just in that really doing it or is in person. Everyone said, no, and then it'll be like, um, yeah,
you know, so that's part of the process. So that's part of the process, like,
she's not supportive.
So, yeah.
Yeah.