You You You You You You You You That bridge opened in 1931. How aged are other bridge crossings in Wisconsin? According to the National Bridge Inventory of the more than 14,000 bridges in this state nearly a thousand are classified as what they call structurally deficient. We turn to Wisconsin DOT Bureau of Structures Director Josh Ditchie for more. And thanks very much for being here. Sure, not a problem. Happy to join. So what does it mean for a bridge to be structurally deficient? Uh, so it's a term that probably sounds a little scarier than it is. Really it just means that there is something, um, some kind of deterioration that's been addressed that doesn't mean it's unsafe. If there's a bridge open in the state, open to travel on, you can feel safe traveling across it. So does Wisconsin have a lot of older bridges like the one like the Lansing Bridge? Uh, not many that are quite as old as the Lansing Bridge. The average age of the bridges of the state owns is about 37 years. The average age in the local system is about 42 years old. So yeah, something as old as it is. Uh, what's specific bridges need immediate repair or removal? Are there any? Um, again, I would stress that if it's open, it's safe. Um, so we always have a program we were going in and rehabilitating or replacing bridges. So you mentioned that, uh, there's over 14,000 bridges in the state. About 2% of those are classified as being poor condition kind of at a high level. We, as we inspect bridges, they get rated as either good, fair or poor. Um, and so again, with about 2% of those bridges in poor condition, those are the ones that we're focusing on. Again, not because they're unsafe, not because you shouldn't be traveling over them, but just because they're going to need some work to keep them in service in their near future. So those are the ones that we've got in the program that are in the planning stages for, you know, getting some kind of work. Yeah, I think most people are surprised when we talk about it, that we do have that many bridges in the state. You know about the big ones that you travel over, but there's so many that are over just small creeks or, um, or small rivers that you probably don't even realize where you're going over a bridge. Um, so yeah, of those 14,000, about 5,000, a little over 5,000 are owned by the state and the remainder then are owned by local municipalities, so you do use consultant engineers as well. Um, and the same thing on the local side, the local side, they do have some local staff that will inspect bridges, but they lean heavily on consultant engineers as well. Um, so mostly when the bridges aren't good condition, basically knew they can be inspected on as much as a four year cycle, but for the most part, bridges are required to be inspected on a two year cycle, or as they get in that worst condition of the bridge, the larger bridges may take up to a week to inspect some of the larger bridges, let you reference the Lansing bridge or some of our more signature bridges. Others, you know, it can be done in the morning or afternoon, but yes, it's definitely a great effort. We took a look at the work that's happening on that bridge from De Soto to Lansing, and it made me wonder how tricky is it to repair bridges while they're still doing it? Yeah, it depends on the situation. You know, obviously the traffic is a big thing that plays into that if you're trying to repair a bridge on the interstate, there's going to be land closures. There's a large bridge over the Wisconsin River, just north of Portage, that's being replaced right now if you've driven through that area, and in that case you'll see lane closures or lane shifts, so it's definitely possible, but we make sure to do it in a way that is safe for sure, and as we try to minimize the disruption to the traveling public as much as we can. All right, well, we are all glad to know that the bridges are safe. John De Chi, thank you so much. No problem, thanks for doing it. For more on this and other issues facing Wisconsin, visit our website at pbswisconsin.org and then click on the news tab. That's our program for tonight. Have a good weekend. Thank you. Thank you. There's gusset plates in the truss and that was kind of ultimately the issue that caused the collapse average. We have different procedures, more than we were doing before, so we definitely learned something every time that happens, but unfortunately sometimes it does take that to happen to kind of teach us something. Yeah, well, thank you so much and again, sorry for the difficulty in getting this connected. No, apologies. I think it's probably on my end. I don't know everyone's in a while zoom it. I know. Yeah, have a good weekend. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Goodbye. Thanks.