So, I guess let's start back then. You have a long history of being in this area, right?
Yeah, yeah. So, well, like I said, my great grandpa and grandpa started coming to visit here shortly
after the Great Depression. That's a grandpa would tell you when we were driving around the lake,
and that's when they came up. And this was, if you look back at the history, there was dozens of
different resorts on Big City or Lake, and they would come up. And this was the up north for Milwaukee,
you know, back then. And then in the early 50s, they purchased the family cottage. And then,
eventually, my family moved into that when I was younger. And then after college was able to move
on the, what would it be, the south end of the lake. On the other side of the lake, we didn't
have lake frontage at the time. And then about 12 years ago, we were fortunate enough to purchase
this place and be on the water full-time so, you know, we can go fishing whenever we want.
So, I mean, your girls have grown up on the water. Yeah, yes. That's got to be
experienced that you had that you want to pass on. Absolutely. I mean, I don't know, it's very,
very fortunate, very fortunate, and they love it. And just being able to get up, you know,
you look at the water, it's very soothing, you come out, you go swimming in the winter, you can go
for hikes and walks. And yeah, there's just, I don't know, you can't beat it. Some people want a
bunch of land, which I get that too. I don't need a lot of land. I just want to have the water. That's
kind of our backyard done is the water. So, how would you describe this lake?
Because most people, if they've heard of it, would say, oh, that's, you know, over by West Bend,
and it's a little skinny lake. It is a little skinny lake. People ask me to describe it very clear.
I would almost call it two lakes. If we're talking about fishing, the way it works is two lakes,
right? We're on the peninsula and the north side of the peninsula, the deepest part's only about 30
feet. It warms up really quick and gets cold really fast. And then the south end, you know,
is 100 feet deep in the deepest spot. So, it takes a lot longer to warm up and cool down.
So, there'll be fish on the north end of the lake who are done spawning. And on the south end of the
lake, they haven't even started to spawn yet. So, if you're looking to fish it, you have to treat
it almost as two different lakes. And especially in those beginning and end of the season times
a year, because it'll change quickly. So, the other thing I would say, which is a good part of it,
is it's so deep, fish can hide in it. And there's always that chance for those trophy fish,
because they're hiding in that deep waters. Just locating them in that deep waters
is really tough, because I mean, it's big wide and just this big huge expanse of water that they
can, you know, hide in and not necessarily relate to structure that you're used to fishing.
So, when your grandparents, or even beyond that, were coming up with this fishing part of the
resort experience, or was it kind of a recreational resort?
So, my grandparents, my grandpa Welch fished. He was a big fisherman, but then my grandpa
hauled him in. So, some of the fish we have on the wall, he was even bigger fishermen. So,
I kind of got it on both ends. Grandpa hauled him as a really big fisherman. Grandpa Welch,
he fished quite a bit and would tell me stories of fishing too. I think grandpa Welch just showed
me to, like, the whole part of whether it's just driving around and hanging out on the boat and
talking, whether it's fishing or swimming. He really showed me that. Part of how great it is
to be on the water. Not just fishing, but the whole experience of it. So, was this a walleye lake at
that time? Or, with walleye, how does that species history kind of go? So, there's always been walleye
in this lake. However, the DNR would say it's not a naturally sustaining population of walleye,
because of the pressure it gets, there's going to be more taken out than they can naturally sustain.
So, that's why the Thursday night fishing club has been helping to stock walleye. We do it in the
fall where we put extended lake fingerlings in, and then where we met at the walleye wagon,
where we've been putting the walleye fry in to try to help with that, just so there's more and more
walleye. Currently, we are looking currently at our no sisco and there was sisco in this lake,
if you go back. And then, I think it was early 2000s. It was one of those really hot drought years
there was a sisco die-off. Since then, we have not netted any sisco and no one's been able to find
any. I'm currently working to try and work with the sewer pack and the DNR and we're doing studies
right now to see if we could restock sisco, if they'd be able to maintain and live again,
or if this lake has changed to the point where they can no longer survive. So, we'll see fingers
crossed that we could restock. If that's the case, then we'd work to maybe see about stocking a sisco
too to really help those fish become bigger and better fish or eat more fun to fish.
No, when you were kid learning to fish, what were you going for? Boy, anything that would bite.
I think mainly though, a lot of bass. Me and my buddies would always come out. We'd go bass
fish and we'd fish a shoreline. We'd fish in inner tubes and then we got a boat and we'd be
out bass fishing. Probably just because, and I still like bass fishing because you know you're
going to catch them and you know that, you know, if you go out and you're going to build a catch
a handful of bass generally and have some fun. And then, you know, as you get older, you start
with fishing more for the northern pike and then you start fishing for the walleye and you see the
challenge of fishing the walleye, just like there's challenge, you know, fear it's musky. There's no
musky in this lake, but you go to other, that's the challenge and that's why it's really fun to catch
those also. But yeah, I started out bass fishing, I would say. Is that kind of a regular evolution,
like panfish to bass and then, you know, some people work their way up or do some people get
caught in that, you know, the musky and the walleye thing early? That's a great question.
I think that is a bit of a natural progression, right? You set it on the pier, you start on the
shore just catching little panfish and then you catch a big bass, you're a lot of fun. Some people
stay there and then people really like to, you know, then that what's that next challenge and
that's the walleye and then some people stay there, next challenge, musky. And it seems like really
most people I talk to either, right? You're targeting bass, walleye, or musky, depending on
your art book. I guess really, all the fishermen, it's like, what are you targeting now when you go
by season? I mean, later in the fall, I'll head up north and try to catch the musky. I do that
once or twice a year, but usually I'm going to be staying here looking for bass, walleye, and then
while big northern and then there are big northern around too. And those can be a lot of fun to catch
when you find those also. So how much has the lake changed just in terms of like the shoreline and
the housing and all that from when you were a kid to what it looks like today? I would say
from when I was a kid, there'd be a lot of small cottages and it's definitely becoming a more of
an urban lake, more, you know, big houses, two or three cottages get tore down and one big house
gets put up. I mean, that's a southeast Wisconsin thing. I think they're more becoming more and more
urban. As we work through sewer pack, you know, you see more and more less structure for the fish
along the shorelines. More of them are getting called what's armored, which would be all the
rip rap going around or sea walls, which can be tough on the fish population. I think there's a
lot more fishing in general too, you know, and as electronics get better, there's a lot more
fishing too. So right, there's always that influx of more people fishing, people becoming better
at fishing. Heck, when I was a kid, if you saw someone with a fish locator and a trolling motor,
you're like, whoa, this guy must be a professional. Now it's, you know, all of us have that everyone
does, who goes off fishing regularly. So I think, you know, you get a lot more pressure on the
fish, but as long as we're doing a good job, you know, the way we harvest them with the rules of
DNR put in place and then like the fishing club like I'm a part of and restocking on that. It's
not a problem. I mean, just everyone's responsible. Has the lake use changed in terms of like the
number of skiers or tubers or jet skis or like the enjoyment, the recreational aspect?
Um, I don't know. You know, I, when I was a kid, right, I'm on 47 now single back, you know, 20,
25 years ago, I can remember people complaining about the jet skis on the lake. Now that's a normal
thing. Um, you know, the big question now would be, you know, talking about wake surfing. And
that's a big, that's a big question that we could talk forever about that I'm not sure I really
wanted to get into right now. Because that probably is a legitimate problem, at least with the
bottom of the lake, if you're following some of the studies that just came through. Um,
lakes like big cedar though, they do have areas that can handle that. Some lakes cannot,
depending upon the size of them or really the depth of them and the size. Um, but when it comes
to actual, you know, just regular boating, sailing, skiing, I personally don't see that big of a
change. Fourth of July weekend, it's really busy. It's always been really busy. You come out on a
day like today on a Monday, it's not going to be bad. And you know, just, you know, those certain
days that are going to be really, really busy. And I, you plan accordingly. So for you, getting
back to the water, there's a lot of reasons why the water is a part of your life and why you want
it to be. Yeah. And you obviously tried to pass a lot of that on to your girls. When did you first
start introducing fishing into that little aspect with that? Oh, day one, I think, you know, I mean,
I got pictures or videos of the, of the oldest one who was, you know, about to turn 15 when she was,
I don't know, two, you know, playing in the middle bucket when I was about to go ice fishing and
talking about it. I got pictures of the other one, Reyna, when she was probably four or five
out ice fishing with me. So that's been something since day one that, you know, it's a big part of
my life. And it's something you want to share. And so you share it with them and they just learn
to grow up with it and enjoy it. And there's different aspects of enjoying it, which we talk
about all the time, you know, it's just about, it's not always about catching fish. It's being on
the water. And what I say is the ice, catching the fish is the icing on the cake when you're
out fishing, just being out there, being with your friends, being with your family, enjoying the
outdoors. That's what it's about. And then if you catch fish, all the better. And just hearing
them talk, it seems like they, they've taken a lot of that message to heart. It's not just how
I'm bored, put my pole down biting kind of thing. Yeah, I think so. I mean, you know, they'll come
up, they'll bring a book out and just sit out there. Or, you know, that's our time to really talk to
sometimes I've had some really good conversations and not just them, my friends, my family, when you're
out in that boat and you're hanging out. You know, a lot of times it's we have some fantastic
conversations. There's no getting away. You're right there. You're together. So you're, you're
going to talk things out or you're not, or you're going to have a good conversation. And, you know,
if I want to be quiet, I go fishing by myself quite a bit too. I don't mind fishing by myself and
that can be my quiet time also. So when did you notice that they were actively engaged in fishing?
Like, like, this was more than just, oh, it's fun to be out or I get some time with dad.
They're like, I'm doing this to be with next to my dad as he likes it. But it's like, they like
probably when they start picking up the pole and fishing by themselves or asking to go and
setting up their own things. I remember the younger one, you know, we were just hanging out and
she was just sitting there fishing by herself. And one of the blue gills that are on the wall
was from her and she's catching them. And, you know, she's probably four years old baiting her own
hook. I was still taking the fish off, but she baked the hook, put it down, catch a fish, bring it
to me. And I was just sitting there talking with the rest of the family. And that's when she
caught like, you know, brought in like an eight inch blue gill. I'm like, well, you catch a 10
incher. We'll put it on the wall. And then she caught a nine and a half inch. I'm like, all right,
that's close. You're doing this all on your own. You're four. We'll put it on the wall. Good enough.
So I mean, I think that's when you see them starting to do it on their own or asking to go.
Or like, you know, we do the, we go with our friends and they'll ask to come with, you know,
hey, can I go out fishing? I'm like, okay, yeah. And I get part of it's, you know, because they just
want to be part of hanging out, but then they're out there fishing too and having a good time
pulling them in. So they're aware of what they're doing. It's not just a dad told me to do this.
Like, you can see that they have a perception of how to fish. Well, when I go fishing with them,
I want to go fishing also. And if you want to teach them how to go fishing, then all I'm doing
is taking them fishing. And I don't, I don't get to go fishing. So yes, I've been training them
for a long time so they know how. But that's really changed to though in the last probably two,
three years, because it was still for a long time. Like, they knew what to do, but I was still
helping a ton lately. The last couple years, it's been great because I'm like, all right,
you know, if they get a tough one hooked deep, yep, I'll take it out for you or something like that.
But for the most part, right there, I'm like cast over there, they're casting over there,
put it on, you know, they can take most of the fish off on their own, the northern I'm still
going to help with, but they're getting there. So they do have some mounted here. Like, what
is the element of mounting? What does that do? All right. So that I think, you know, a lot of
people don't, you know, you don't always want to kill fish, right? I think it's okay to have
one of your biggest real fish on the wall because it's a story. Every time you look at that fish
on the wall, it's a story. And I have bigger fish on the wall now and I'll get a replica
made of them that I've caught. I've caught a bigger fish than the ones that are up there, but
from now on the replicas. But that's a story and you can tell it when you look at it.
Some of the ones that are my grandpas that are on the walls, my uncles, or my grandpa told me
the one and the other one, the musky, but the walleye and the large mouth. Those are my uncles
telling me when they caught that with their dad and they could tell the story up and down. We were
on, you know, what lake they were on, how it was caught, what they were doing. And that's really
what those, those fish on the wall be common. It's just a story in a way to pinpoint that story
and time. Remember that story and go back through it. And we start looking at them that way. It's
a lot of fun. One of the fish on my wall was the first fish I've caught here. And my buddy said,
hey, just give me that fish. I didn't know why at the time. And he took any mountain. And he's
like, dude, this is the first fish you ever caught when you moved into your house. I'm like,
that's a great story. And every time I look at it, now I remember that I'd probably have forgotten
about that fish in that moment in time, if he hadn't done that for me, that bluegill I just
told you about that rain I caught that moment in time will be captured forever because of that fish.
One of the northern over there was the first northern I ever caught. It was the first one I ever
caught ice fishing all by myself, drilled my own hole, put my own tip up out, and I caught it. And
my parents are like, it was a nice northern. It's not a classic mountain, but my parents mounted it
because they thought it'd be nice. And now I remember that forever. So it's a way to remember
time. It's a way to capture those moments. It looks like Sage has the northern right there.
That was the first time she set everything herself up and she won a fishery. It's not the biggest
northern ever that you normally mount, but she won a fishery on this lake against all
the other adults. She drilled a hole, she picked a hole, she put the tip up down, did everything
herself, pulled it out, and then she was able to win. I'm like, and she asked, hey can I put that
on all? Because they understand now when you tell those stories of those fish, she's like,
I want my story up on that wall too. And that's what that's become for her. Do you think people who
don't fish understand the emotional connections and the bonds that are created in a boat or in
that activity? Probably not. Because just I have this conversation with other people and they'll
ask me about that. What do you think? And when I explain it to them, they get it, but they don't,
they're just imagining you're just out there just fishing to catch the fish. But for me personally,
it's a way more in catching the fish. It's just being out in nature. Like we just said about just
being with people or being with your friends or being with family and remembering those things.
And even as I talk about that fish and that, it just brings a smile to your face because you
remember in those points and times. And then there's times like, I wish I would have kept
that fish or, but like I said, now we can get replicas. I caught a great pass last year.
And I can remember everything about it. I'm going to get that replica made. So now I have another
one on the wall. I mean, it's kind of a fascinating link to if like your grandpa is what I like and
like your daughters have fish on the wall all in the same space. All right. The hope is they're
going to keep those fish. When, you know, when I pass, they're going to keep those fish and then
maybe get them to my grandkids. And then they'll always have those memories because you can't have
a ton of fish. But if you can have those memories and then you remember, you know, like they know
grandpa Marvin because of that fish more than they know him. He was, you know, Reyna wasn't even alive
before he passed. So she hears about him and knows that story from that. And that's just a way,
you know, and with fishing and all of this that people can kind of keep those memories alive.
So what is it about walleye that's different from other species?
Walleye I think is the challenge. They're tough. I can come out here, you know,
and I can catch bass. I don't want to say every time it's fishing, but most of the time I can
catch northern most of the time. I can catch, I can catch bluegill almost all the time, if not all the
time, but a walleye, you know, and it's different on each lake. But on this lake to catch a walleye,
you have to really have it dialed in really know where they're at. You know, June earlier in the
season, it can be easier and then they change and you have to follow their patterns and it's
it can be really difficult. And I think another part of that is, this is might be a silly conversation
but we'll talk sometimes like, what's the prettiest fish? Well, I often come up when I'm talking
other fishermen as one of the prettier fish. They're a beautiful fish. If you like fish, they can be
a really awesome looking fish and well, they taste delicious too, right? I can, I have to go catch
myself, you know, 10 bluegill to make a meal for a couple people. I can catch one walleye and have
that meal also for eating. Do you keep the walleye to come out of here at times of the year to have
a fish fry? I generally don't. I have sometimes, usually I'll go bluegill fishing if we want to
have a fish fry a couple times a year. I'll keep one or two or ice fishing. We'll keep one or two
to eat. Like for the walleye and a lot of fish and I'm putting them back. I'm just looking to,
you know, to have that experience for someone else to hopefully catch that trophy fish that they
can either put on the wall for themselves or something back. It's really easy to go up to the
to the local place and get a really good fish fry too. Nothing better than a fresh made fish
fry of your own. But yeah, the walleye and maybe partially because I do such a so much work stocking
I'm also that I'm like, all right, I'm just going to throw that one back. It almost feels counter
productive. A little bit. I know other people are taking them and keeping them, but I'm like,
that's all right. That's why we do it. And so I write so people can take and keep it. I'm almost
like, yeah, that's we'll put that one back. So tell me a little how you got involved with
walleyes for tomorrow and with the fishing group. So anything 10, 12 years ago after college when
we moved down on the north end of the lake, I got my first fishing boat. And I heard there was a
Thursday night fishing club out here. So me and my buddy started, you know, we'd come out on Thursdays
and we'd fish and we'd do the bass portion of it. And then after getting to know the guys for a
while, we started talking to some more and we're like, okay, well, what's really going on here?
And they said how they started donating, how we donate the money to stock walleye. And then,
you know, if you care about something, right, I care about this lake, you should give back,
right? I'm part of the PRD because I want to give back, no other reason. I do the walleye
stocking because I want to give back because you care about something. And so then, you know,
just being getting to know all the guys are a great group of guys, they started hanging out.
So we just started giving that's how they started it. And I've just helped to contribute since
like, all right, let's stock walleye in the lake. So then we've been doing the fall stocking of
the extended lake fingerlings. And then we had the walleye wagon here. I don't know, I don't know,
maybe 10 years ago. And then the last two, three years, we brought it back again. It's, I mean,
it's a lot of work. And you have to have a lot of guys willing to step up and help and pull the
nuts and put the fry in and check it. And now we have a good group of guys, again, who really
want to kind of put that time in. So we brought the wagon back and hopefully we'll have it here
for seeable future or until, you know, clubs kind of grow and, you know, as people get older and
things change. So we'll see. But your daughters have gotten involved as well. Would that just
been following you along or what are you going to do? Yes. And now they ask to go. I'm like,
you know what, I think you kids think this is pretty cool. And they love going out and
catching the walleye and looking and then watching them grow in the jar. And then, you know, they
didn't get to come with this season to let them go. But they, you know, they'll come and you have
to check the jars and make sure the levels are right and everything's moving. They'll come with
me in that and just watching that whole process. They really enjoy it more so than I thought.
They'll even sometimes they'll say, you know what, I like, I like doing that part more than
even catching them, which surprisingly, but they love just going there. And when you pull the nuts,
it is a lot of fun because you never know what's going to be in there. And you see all these fish,
all the fish that are in there. And it's, you know, it's like opening a present every time because
you don't know you go up to one net and it's empty. And then you go to the next one and it's packed
full of fish. You're like, Oh my gosh, look at how big that one is. Look at that one. It's huge.
And you bring them back and then, you know, you get the eggs and everything else and go through
that process. And it's pretty cool. And there's got to be a charge that comes with like,
it's a bunch of crusty old guys. But then you bring two girls along and they're, I mean,
that's, that's the difference that you can see like the energy pickup for everybody. Yeah, no,
they really, they really enjoy it when they, when the kids come. When they come, they're always
like, all right. And they really, what's fun is they just let them do as much as they can. And
everyone steps back. I know there's a couple other kids that'll show up too. There's one who
lives right down the road and he'll show up on his bicycle every time he like, what time are you
guys going to be back? What time are you guys going to be pulling those nuts? And he just wants
to come hang out and watch it happen. So it's, it's really neat. And it's, I mean, it's just a,
you know, he got like two weeks where we do it. So everyone gets together as much as they can.
The girls are always asking to miss whatever other extracurricular activity they have going on so
they can come do that instead. And generally we oblige because, right, it's just a short window
that you get every, every, whatever spring to do it. Well, it really fits in with the title of
the group. I mean, it could not be a more accurate title than the idea. It's not just for the old
guys who caught it really in walleyes. It's for everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's for tomorrow,
right? And it's for all the kids, all the people who can do it. And you know, I don't know, enjoy
fishing in the future and make those memories. And you know, just take their kids out and have
that chance. We weren't, I don't, if the club wasn't doing the things they're doing,
there would not be very many walleye in here to catch. And now I do believe, not, I know,
for the last few years, you can see the difference being made. And it's great.
So talk to me a little bit about family dynamics. You talked a lot about fishing
yourself or with the girls. You are married. How do those dynamics work when it comes to
getting time to fish and then keeping a family or having a wife or a spouse and
what's the involvement there? Well, even thinking family, I mean, my dad was a big part of me
fishing too. When I think about that, like we'd go out, we'd always go out. We'd have one night a week
that he would take me out fishing. And usually, I mean, I was young enough. I was Bobber fishing
then and my dad would be fishing for walleye. I mean, and that's, you know, over 20 years ago.
And now growing up, I mean, the wife will come out, Jen will come out fishing with us and she'll
just sit and hang out. She likes to fish too. But not as much as us. But it's just a great time to
have everyone going out and be a part of it together, I guess, you know.
I'm sure you've heard of guys that fish so much that, you know, their wife's
young kind of walleye widows. What is the balance that needs to be struck for people to be able
to pursue that passion? Well, it's different for everyone. I know some people go fishing a lot
more than me. And I know really, I guess that ebbs and flows too, right? As your children get
older and they're in more sports, right? And you have to go to soccer, you have to go to swimming,
you have to go to football, whatever their sport is, you might not be able to. My one fishing
partner, my fish with a lot, there was a, you know, a part where he was coaching his son in baseball
and then in football and he didn't fish with me watching. And then as his kid now is graduated
high school and he's fishing with me a lot more. And I think you just have to find what fits for
your family and what's going on at that point in time. When they were really little, like babies,
I fished less because, you know, you had to be home to help more and it was just more difficult.
And that's what's great now that they fish is I can go even more and more because they're with me
now or they can take care of themselves at home if I'm out fishing.
So there's a lot of research being done across the state by a ton of different outlets and agencies,
but non-profit, for-profit that are all dedicated to walleye research, trying to figure out both for
the commercial market or the tournament market or for the, you know, recreational angle or.
Do you think it's worth all the money and the effort that's being put into that one species?
That's an interesting question. I think, I would say yes because I think it, you know,
so many people go places just to go walleye fishing, right? So I mean, it can help in economy
in general. I mean, you look at, for instance, Lake Erie, the amount of people that come out
to Lake Erie to go fishing, which I've done and my friends have done. And I was just,
I met a guy yesterday, Saturday, who I was talking about, he talks about going out to Lake Erie every
year. So if you have that many people traveling to go fishing on money they bring into their economy
and choose to spend their money, yeah, it makes sense. I think it probably bears itself out that
it's sustainable. If it wasn't, the money wouldn't be there to do it. What would be lost if there
wasn't the effort put into making sure there were walleye to be caught? I mean,
these obviously, another species would take its place in the lakes as it's done in some lakes
all by itself. Sure. But if there just really weren't walleyes there anymore.
Well, you lose history. I mean, you think about the history of how walleye have been important
forever and all of a sudden that changes to something else. You lose the history portion of it. I think
for whatever reason, you know, different fish kits other people's imagination, right? And you're
going to lose a group of people probably who like doing that. Or, you know, I understand I'll
probably never catch a bigger fish than my walleye than my grandpa did. But just having that
aspect of kids talking about it forever and families talking about it and grandkids talking
about it. I think that would be lost if there's no more walleye to be caught at the mentioned
delicious fish fries and walleye cheeks and every other part of it. So when we were out on the boat,
you had the northern one. Yes. There was a moment where you thought you might have a
what's that feeling like when you're when you feel like you feel a hit. It's exciting and
it's great. I thought that was because it was a little northern. I'm like, this feels about the
right size and it would have been the right size felt a little too aggressive for a walleye.
He was pushing a little hard, but I have had some of them fish. Usually a walleye is not going to
not going to give the the big head had throws and and the runs that a northern are bass are going
to do when even the girls caught a couple of their bass. I was like, oh, that's probably a bass,
just the way it was taken off. But just even that when you're excited, especially if that's what
you're targeting. And you know, you're targeting you're targeting a species. And when you can
actually lock in and be like, all right, I'm going to throw this wave for this fish at this time
and this depth, you know, it's a feeling of accomplishment. It's right. I did figure it out,
at least for that moment. And then put them back? Yeah. What's that feeling like? Because I mean,
for some people, it is the catch. It's the possession. But for you, no, we don't even eat
really a we don't eat a lot of fish. We'll go for fish fries here and there. But I mean,
my whole life has just been about catching and letting them go. And I don't want that excitement.
Like I've said, the excitement of being out there of catching on accomplishing what you're
looking for. And I don't know, I like letting them go and knowing someone else is going to catch
that fish or maybe I'm going to catch them again next year. And he's growing even bigger.
I don't know if this sounds right, but not wasteful. You know what I mean? Because
sometimes I just feel like, you know, it's like, unless you know you're going to eat that thing
and it's not going to sit in your freezer, yeah, let them go. Let another day have more fish so we
can all catch it and enjoy it. For me, it's always been more of the sport than eating. I mean, by far,
I just like being out there and catching the fish. I don't necessarily like eating. I enjoy eating
but that's not why I'm there. All right. Anything else that you want to add along these lines that
jump to your mind? Not this moment, but I'll think a little bit maybe while they're talking
too if there's something else. I think we covered a lot. We did pretty good. I hope I wasn't talking,
I'm not talking too fast. Can I get you to say and spell your name just so I have a correct answer?
Sure. Matt, M-A-T-T, Haldeman, H-A-L-D-E-M-A-N-N. All right. Great. Thank you. That was good.
We did it.