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Yeah, and then just don't talk to me.
Right.
Oh, yeah, just look at me.
Yeah.
OK, can you just start by styling your name
and saying your job title?
Sure.
So Jessica Peterson, M-E-D-E-R-S-O-N.
And I'm a partner at the law firm of Stafford-Rosenbaum.
Awesome.
And then why do you consider yourself a partial client, my dear?
Because I came up here from Texas,
after living in Texas for 16 years,
spending the last 12 and 1 half of those in Austin, which
is a great city.
I love it.
Everybody wants to be there, right?
But I could not handle the heat.
And if you talk to any of my friends there,
they will tell you, I complained six months
out of the year about the heat.
And I hate the heat to this day with a passion.
And so I just couldn't handle it.
I was originally from the Midwest,
so I was trying to get closer to family, too.
But I could not stand that heat any longer.
And then actually one second.
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it's because I'm going right down the center.
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All right.
Thank you.
The why do you consider yourself a person?
So I moved up here to Wisconsin from Texas from Austin.
I lived there for 12 and a half years.
Austin is a great city.
Everybody in the world wants to be in Austin.
And I loved it a lot.
I had a good job at a law firm there.
But I hated the heat.
And I basically for six months out of every year
that I lived in Texas, six to seven months,
depending on the year, I complained
about the heat nonstop.
And I was originally from the Midwest.
So I wanted to move back closer to family as well,
although I'm still quite a ways away from them.
But I had to get out of Texas.
I just could not handle that heat.
And then how long did you move to Wisconsin
and tell me about making that decision?
So we moved 12 and a half years ago.
In part, my kids dad wanted to, well,
he wanted to get his PhD.
And I basically said, we need to do it either Minnesota
or Wisconsin, because I can't live in Texas any longer.
But it was actually kind of perfect timing, too.
The we left in August of 2011.
And it had been one of the many, many summers
of record breaking heat.
I mean, I lived through a lot of record breaking
heat down there, which is why when people kept telling me
Jessica, this isn't normal.
I'm like, all right, well, this is a new normal, right?
But the August that we left, it was so dry and so hot
that there were wildfires actually encroaching on Austin
as we were leaving.
And the berms on the side of the highway
would basically almost spontaneously.
I mean, it's probably a hot bit of metal or cigarette,
would basically just light up and burn the berms
on the side of the highway.
So as we were driving down the highway,
it was literally just scorched black earth.
That's how bad it got.
So yeah, it was a very good time to leave.
Well, and then you talked about just urban heat
and your core body temperature moving up.
Yeah, I think that about some of the complaints I made
when I was down there, I just didn't have the language yet.
So like in Dallas, when we lived there first,
Dallas and the city proper, you know, it was all paved, right?
We leave our apartment and you're on a paved parking lot,
you know, then you drive on one of their mini highways
to a mall or a restaurant, it's all paved.
And so I would talk about that about just how that heat
was coming at you from every angle.
It wasn't just the sun, but it would radiate up
from this pavement.
So that now, of course, looking back,
that's the urban heat island effect,
but the time I didn't have that language.
So that was kind of what I saw in Dallas.
And then in Austin, I mean, back to six months
of me heating the heat, I would come into my air conditioned
office, work eight, nine, 10 hours in my air conditioned
office, and I would be hot and sweating the entire time.
And now looking back, I wish I'd done one of those tests
where they can check, you know,
your core body temperature can actually raise.
And I think that was during the spring, summer, and fall,
and Texas, my core body temperature was raised
because there was never a break from it.
I would try to walk our dog at 10 o'clock at night
to get a break from the heat,
and it would still be 90 degrees outside.
So yeah, my body just never had a chance to cool down.
And that is one of the dangers with extreme heat.
And I had the privilege of being in an air conditioned
office all day, but for a lot of people,
they don't get that break even with the air conditioning
and their office or in their home or in their cars,
they don't get that.
And so their core body temperature just keeps raising
until it gets to dangerous levels.
And then how are you adjusting to the climate here?
It is fine.
Again, I'm actually my bias.
I'm from very far north in Minnesota.
So I still think that Madison overall is, you know,
pretty far south.
So the weather does not bother me.
The thing I dislike the most is kind of the winter fluctuations
we get here with the ice
because I'm clumsy and ice is my greatest enemy.
Besides heat, heat and ice are my great enemies.
So I kind of miss, you know, where you get up north,
although even in northern Minnesota,
you don't have as consistently cool a temperature anymore
where you just have snow all winter long.
You can have the freeze-thaw experience up there
and freeze-thaw can be very dangerous to individuals
and to structures.
And then can you tell me about some of the activities
you enjoy in Madison and Wisconsin?
Madison and Wisconsin.
I am a huge fan of Wisconsin state parks
and also like Dane County and the local parks here too.
But I mean, Wisconsin is so pretty.
The Driftless region is one of the most amazing things
in the world.
So I love to kayak wherever I can here,
but really my favorite thing is hiking.
I'm trying to hike as many of the state parks as I can.
When the kids were younger, they would go with me.
Now they're too busy with their own things.
So they don't like doing that.
I also love, I have to tell you my daughter,
when we first moved up here, you know,
Wisconsin has so many beautiful trees
and we came up in the fall
and it had the beautiful fall foliage.
My daughter was only four
and I kept pointing out all the pretty trees
until she told me that I had to stop pointing out
pretty trees to her.
But I still love pointing out all the pretty trees
in Wisconsin.
I love Wisconsin.
It's so beautiful.
Awesome, thank you.
And then what are you interested in the topic of quiet resilience?
You mentioned like a major infrastructure.
Yeah, so I've been a business litigator for 22 years now
and you know, and then in the past 12,
I really started doing a lot of construction-related litigation.
You know, I knew climate change was important.
I knew there were lawyers who were doing things,
but I never thought in my practice
that there would be anything I could do
related to climate change.
Until I had a major problem,
there was an infrastructure project
that had some serious problems with it.
Basically, right as it was supposed to be all done,
there were issues, they had to shut it down,
they had to redo it, it was a multi-year process
that impacted, you know, the residents of that area,
caused problems for the cities and the DOT
that were sponsoring it.
And I'm working with engineering experts
and trying to figure out what had caused these problems.
My engineer had said, well, you know,
now we're seeing more fluctuations
in groundwater table levels, especially in the Midwest
as we have wilder swings and flooding and droughts.
And so he said, this could actually be climate change related.
And that was literally like an epiphany for me
because I realized climate change,
I think there are a lot of people
who recognize that climate change is important,
but addressing climate change can be expensive,
especially in the built environment,
trying to address it in different ways.
And so one of the things that I realized
is a lot of my clients like to tell me
that, you know, they don't like lawyers
and they don't wanna hire lawyers.
And I'm like, I get it, if you bring me in,
there's a big problem and it's going to be an expensive fix.
So what I started doing and I write and present
in the podcast on this is talk about
how you can incorporate resiliency into the built environment,
into your infrastructure projects,
into your home development,
into building a corporate offices.
So that way, as our weather becomes weirder and more extreme,
the built environment can withstand those things.
And so you don't end up with lawsuits
because of problems during the construction process
or because of problems afterwards.
And so it's actually way cheaper to acknowledge
and evaluate the risk of climate change
and how our weather is going to be changing.
It's way cheaper to address that upfront
rather than after the fact.
And I have whole presentations where I explain
how expensive construction litigation is
and why it's much better to address it upfront.
So I'm trying to talk myself out of a job.
And then how does climate impact or build environment?
It can vary depending on where you're at, right?
And that's one of the challenges
is a lot of people think about sea level rise.
And that's kind of an obvious issue.
I mean, there are literally homes falling into the ocean.
There was just a story out of Massachusetts
where some homeowners that had beachfront property
in Massachusetts spent I think like half a million dollars
to ship in sand to try to prevent the beaches
literally right in front of their houses from eroding
and the water took that sand within three days.
So they're obviously building to address sea level rise
is one unique challenge.
I think a lot of people in the Midwest think,
well, we don't have sea level rise.
So we don't need to worry about this.
But what we're having instead,
one of the biggest risks the Midwest is going to face
is flooding and flooding can do massive damage.
Obviously to the built environment,
not just basements, but first floors.
It can actually, you know, impact the foundations.
It can impact the land on which the building is built.
So flooding's a big issue.
Drought and making sure that we have
basically access to clean water
is going to become a challenge even in the Midwest
where again, we have the Great Lakes, we have rivers,
we have aquifers, we think we're going to be fine.
But even that, which is not for an individual building
so much, but when I think about the built environment
being more of communities and making sure
that everybody has what they need,
even that access to groundwater is going to become an issue.
High winds, high rains are also going to become
a bigger problem and again, they're different standards
but a lot of people will build buildings
that are resistant to rain,
but are not actually built to withstand
like a high wind and high driving rains.
So those are some of the major issues we'll face here.
Plus, ooh, as I mentioned before, to freeze thaw damage.
A lot of our systems can handle like winter coming on,
there being a freeze and then things thawing in the summer.
What can be really destructive to the built environment,
especially concrete, for example, is cycles of freeze thaw.
I mean, we all know, you know,
if you have water that can seep into a rock and it freezes,
it's strong enough to crack apart the rock
and that same thing can actually happen
with the built environment too.
So having these cycles where we get cold
and then we warm up and then we get cold again
is much more damaging to our built environment
than just getting cold, staying cold
and then springtime coming and everything warming up.
And how can we adjust our built environment
to adapt to these impacts?
There are lots of things we can do.
Some of the things are very simple basic things.
For example, with regard to flooding,
a lot of companies and businesses
want to keep their electronic systems, servers,
things like that in the basement.
They don't want to take up nice real estate with windows
putting in servers in there or anything like that.
But because of the flooding risk,
you actually want to elevate
important electronic systems, you know,
technological systems, you want to put those up
on the second or third floor or somewhere else.
So that's kind of a basic easy thing
that you don't need to worry too much about.
A lot of it is actually looking
to the most modern building codes.
Like people don't realize here in Wisconsin, for example,
the state implements the building codes
and local municipalities are not allowed to change them.
And we still are relying on the 2015 building codes,
which means that we're not using the most modern building codes
that are looking both at the weather of today
and starting to incorporate the weather of the future.
So even just again, building a little bit stronger
structures possibly to withstand the heavy winds,
building both thinking about where you're building
and how you're building to address the flooding risk,
even just changing the mixture of the concrete, for example,
to be able to withstand the driving rains
as opposed to normal rainfall.
So it is a little bit dependent,
which is why I always tell people
that before you start any built project,
you need to think immediately at the beginning
about what are the risk we face in this particular area
and then assign responsibility for addressing those
to the appropriate party.
Usually that's a combination of the architect
and the engineer need to be thinking about
what needs to be changed because the way
we've always built buildings here
isn't going to work in the future.
But then you also need the contractor to be involved
because it can also impact how the actual building process
works, right?
We have to make sure that we're protecting the project
and construction workers from that risk of flooding,
from that risk of extreme heat,
that sort of thing as they're building the project.
And then can you talk to you
about the community sustainability task force?
Yeah, so this is a group I've been involved with
just since I moved here to this law firm
and it's a great group of individuals
from around the state that's driven, of course,
by the University of Wisconsin
to talk about how we can help our communities.
A lot of the focus is more on the sustainability side,
which is more about reducing our impact on the environment.
But I also worry about, and we talk about
how to also make sure that the environment
doesn't hurt our communities too much, right?
And so it's great because it's a group of individuals
in all sorts of different jobs from around the state
and we're really just trying to figure out,
we're still in like kind of starting phases
of trying to figure out what we can do
to contribute to the conversations and the work
that is going on at a lot of levels here
to help make our communities sustainable
and able to thrive over the next multiple decades
as climate change impacts get worse.
I know, what kind of questions are you guys asking?
We're really talking right now about trying to evaluate,
because Wisconsin does cover so many different people, right?
You've got these urban centers like Madison and Milwaukee.
You obviously have lots of farming
and very different types of farming across the state.
You've got Native American tribes.
You've got people who are far up north where, for example,
their tourism industry was really hurt this year
because of the lack of snow and ice.
So what we're trying to understand right now
are what are the most pressing concerns
that these different groups have
and how do you communicate to them too?
Because unfortunately this climate change issue
tends to get political really quickly,
which is unfortunate because it shouldn't be.
And then can you share any key takeaways you might've learned
from your banner and passports?
Right now, we don't have official key takeaways.
For me, it's been a real education
because while I grew up in a farming family
in northern Minnesota, outside of that family,
I'm not talking a lot to the different big farms,
for example, here in Wisconsin
about how they're addressing climate change.
But one thing I do know in talking to other members
of the community who work with a DNR
or who are county extension officers
is that, again, back to that politics
for a lot of parts of Wisconsin,
if you say the word climate change,
they'll just cut you off.
But I know coming from a farming community,
nobody pays closer attention to the weather than farmers.
And my dad, for example, can tell you both the birds
and the changes in his 75 years up on the farm.
And I know the farmers here have seen those changes too.
So we can talk about changing weather,
having to adapt to things,
but you just can't use that word climate change
because that just shuts people down,
which is unfortunate
because all we want to do is help everybody thrive.
Is your dad a farmer?
He is no longer a farmer.
He was a farmer back in the day, yeah.
And he still lives actually on the family farm, but no.
Yeah.
And then how's your experience as a partial climate migrant
influenced your perspective on climate change?
So it's very interesting coming here to Wisconsin
from Texas, again, you know, some similar politics,
some different politics, very different environment.
But what I see here is that it amazes me actually.
People still are talking about moving south, for example.
They complain about the cold here
and they want to move down to Texas or Arizona or Florida.
And I still see people moving to Austin
and I'm like, I get it, Austin's a great town,
but oh my gosh, like the writing is clearly on the wall.
They're right.
I mean, they are experiencing even the extreme freezes.
They have serious drought issues, wildfire issues,
extreme heat issues.
So what amazes me is how people up here,
it seems like one thing they share in common with Texas
is even people who believe climate change might be a problem,
really seem to think it's just a coastal problem.
And as long as you're not worrying about sea level rise,
you don't need to worry about it.
So even people who want to minimize their carbon footprint
or something like that still want to move to Florida.
And I'm like, like rent down there if you want,
but do not give up your property up here.
So it is kind of interesting how so many people
still don't seem to realize the risk.
And meanwhile, I am so grateful every single day
coming up here that is not extremely hot that water-wise,
we are still in a much stronger position
than in Texas, for example.
I mean, I never washed my car when I lived in Texas
just because I'm like, that is a waste of water
and this day cannot afford to waste any water.
I still don't wash my car here much either
because I still worry, but I worry less
about the water up here than I do in Texas.
I worry less about the heat, all of that.
So.
Thank you.
And then do you have any advice for others
who might move because of climate change?
Yes.
First of all, I will say there are businesses now
who their sole purpose is to help real estate investors,
private equity, hedge fund people, of course,
identify areas where the real estate
is not expensive right now,
but is going to become more valuable
because of climate migration.
So part of what I tell people when they're looking to move,
especially as climate migrants, is think about that.
I mean, if you have the ability to buy property,
this is an investment.
There are real estate kind of investors realize
that the whole rust belt, for example,
while still rather depreciated from a real estate perspective
is going to become more and more valuable.
So think about that, but one of the big challenges too,
and I talk to people here is you also have
to not just say, I'm going to move to Wisconsin
because it's a beautiful state and they should,
but also we need to be looking at
are our cities and communities preparing even here,
both for our future climate challenges
and for the fact that we may start getting
large influxes of people.
So not only do we have to be worrying
about keeping our current community safe
as a climate changes,
but also making sure that we can handle
large groups of people coming in.
So that's something people need to be thinking about.
If they have the privilege is kind of pick a spot
based on where do I think they'll be able to handle
climate migration the best,
you would want to look for those communities
that do have that forward-looking
kind of perspective on all of this,
not just that they're good today,
but that they're aware that they need to
be preparing for tomorrow.
And then on the city side,
do you think there's anything we need to be doing
to prepare for climate migration in four years?
Yes, so one of the big challenges
is infrastructure, obviously, right?
And land use.
So communities need to be thinking both about
how flooding, for example,
is going to be impacting areas that previously
you may have been able to develop,
that there wouldn't be a problem,
but as flooding becomes a bigger and bigger risk here,
do communities need to be thinking about areas
where they can basically create a sponge, which I love?
Leonta has done this, Hoboken, Hoboken,
I can never say that name, New Jersey has done this.
They've identified areas that 50 years ago
never got flooded, but now more often are getting flooded.
So what they're actually doing is,
in some cases, they're taking away developments
and saying these are low line areas that could get flooded,
we're going to direct flood water to them
and use land other places for development.
So we both need to be thinking about
how we can make sure our infrastructure can support
new people coming in, you know, water, wastewater,
stormwater, runoff, electricity, all of that.
But we also need to be thinking about
how as we're bringing in more people,
we can also adjust even how we're currently living,
so that way the future climate doesn't impact anyone.
And so that's a real challenge because infrastructure,
in particular, is a major sunk cost.
It's very expensive to put in stormwater pipes.
So it may be hard to say this development
where we've invested all this money, for example,
putting in all this stormwater, sewer systems, all of that,
that maybe long term, this is not an area
that we should continue to develop
because there are low line areas.
And so we need to shift our focus.
So trying to get away from some of that sunk cost mentality
that humans are very big into is,
well, I've spent a bunch of money here, so I'm stuck
and I'm just going to keep going forward.
We need to really be mindful of that
as we're looking at how can we encourage
responsible growth that also addresses, you know,
those risks that we may be facing.
And then can you talk a bit about the task force?
Like how big you guys are, what type of people are in it
and what your mission is?
Yeah, so it's, there's, like I said,
there's probably, I think around 10 people in it,
although it's always hard because, of course,
the monthly calls, some people can't make it.
There's, and I think actually she may just be retiring now,
but one woman who was heading to that was a professor
at UW-Stevens Point.
We've got members from the DNR, which obviously,
I love talking to the DNR because they spend so much time
thinking about the natural resources of Wisconsin.
We have a county extension officers.
We have some local, like, former politicians
and some business types as well.
So it really does have a nice cross-section.
Everybody's bringing their different experience,
their different thoughts.
I tend again to be thinking a lot about the resilience,
the built environment and litigation, for example,
is my particular kind of, I guess, contribution,
hopefully, to the team.
And so what we're trying to do is, like I said,
understand the different communities
and how we can help support working with these communities
to give them the support they need now and in the future
to both focus on how we can all be a bit more sustainable,
reduce our carbon footprint,
but also ensure that our communities can thrive
even in a changing climate.
Thank you.
And then in our initial interview, you talked
about how we might be a possible climate haven,
but we'll still see climate related impacts.
Can you talk about that?
Yeah, that's a problem with the whole climate haven
kind of thing, right?
It's like, if you move here, everything will be perfect.
I was actually born in Duluth, Minnesota,
which a lot of people talk about,
it's like the net zero, you're not going to have carbon,
or you're not going to have climate change issues there
because of Lake Superior is so massive.
Even Duluth and certainly Madison
will still have impacts on climate change.
We are going to be fortunate.
We probably will not have to deal with the worst problems
of climate change related issues,
the hurricanes, the sea level rise,
all of that sort of thing anytime soon.
But that is why there's either,
a lot of times you hear about sending communities
or retreating communities,
and that's, for example, New Orleans
is a perfect example of that, right?
It's such a wonderful city, such wonderful people,
but it's a city that's going to have massive challenges
and already has, as we've seen.
But anyway, so you have those sending
or retreating communities,
and then I prefer the term receiving communities.
So Madison and all the surrounding areas
are a perfect example of what could be a receiving community.
So it's a good place to move.
I encourage people to move up here,
especially if they're concerned about climate.
But again, we are going to have our own issues
to think about here.
We do seem to be prepared for extreme heat.
It won't be as bad as Texas or Florida,
but we also don't have as much air conditioning,
for example, in our homes as they do in Texas and Florida.
So we can still have vulnerable populations
that can suffer from extreme heat here.
Again, I keep coming back to the flooding.
Obviously, as we saw in New York,
again, just this past year,
how flooding, even, and they've been working so harsh
and super storm sandy to prepare for climate change,
but flooding can still kill people in several different ways.
And so those are the sort of things and high winds,
even tornadoes.
The fact that we had a tornado in February,
that is the one thing I don't like about Wisconsin is,
when I was in Austin, there really weren't tornadoes there.
And so the fact that we have to worry a little bit
about tornadoes,
and we now have to be thinking about tornadoes
in February and Wisconsin is a bit terrifying.
So it is not a haven.
There are going to be challenges here too,
but it's definitely a better place to be.
And then how do you feel about the concept of climate havens?
Well, like I just said, I mean, it's a nice idea.
I think, you know, Wisconsin is certainly
a better place to go, but yeah,
I don't think that there's any perfect spot
that you're going to go where you'll be totally immune
from the changing climate.
So we just all have to recognize that
we have to continue to do what we can
to minimize the impacts of climate change,
but also recognize that those impacts are here,
even in Madison, Wisconsin.
And we're going to need to make sure
that we are adjusting the way we live,
the way we build so that we can minimize those impacts.
And then my last question,
can you just tell me like from your own?
So I don't have to put in there that you are a partial climate migrant.
Can I just hear you say like I have a partial climate migrant
and move from Texas?
Yes, so I'm a partial climate migrant.
I like to call myself that because I am originally from the Midwest.
And so I did come back in order to have my kids,
at least closer to the family,
although we're still a long ways away.
But I also left Texas and left Austin,
which was a great city that I loved
because I could not handle that heat anymore.
So that's why I call myself a partial climate migrant.
Thank you.
And then is there anything else you want to add or expand on?
Just that I think one important thing
that I need to remind people of,
and this is actually something that a friend of mine said
who's been in this climate change space for years,
before I actually started working on like this resiliency
and the climate environment or in the built environment,
I knew about climate change,
but it's sort of how I feel about AI now,
where it was so depressing that I was just like,
ah, I support it.
I support people who do things,
but it's too depressing and overwhelming and what can I do?
But the truth is with climate change,
we do have a ton of great tools and resources now.
We can actually make a difference
and minimize continuing impacts on our environment
and also prepare for what's happening already
with climate change.
So I don't want people to get too depressed
and really just give up and say, well, what can I do?
I do think there's a lot of reason to hope.
There's a lot of tools we have.
There's a lot of that we can all be doing.
And so I want people to keep on working on this
and not just say, well, it's too late
and there's nothing I can do.
Thank you. That's great.
Do you have any questions on that?
I don't have any questions.
Awesome. Thank you so much. That was awesome.
All right, good.
I use the word so too much.
At the end, I was like, I trying to stop using so.
That's my new word.
So this was fun.
All right.
I'm going to be drafting an email.
I have to complain to Vanity Fair
because my number one podcast,
they got rid of the host.
Yeah.
And so I'm like, so done.
She was wonderful.
It's, I am obsessed with Hollywood.
That was my first obsession.
So it's called Little Gold Men
and it's basically about award show things.
Sorry, I should probably shouldn't be talking.
No, you can talk.
Oh, anyway.
And so, yeah.
So they just talk about award stuff
and I don't know why they got rid of Katie Rich.
All right.
So why don't you type some more?
All right.
My other source of super smiley too.
Everyone in this video is super smiley and friendly.
I know.
I'm just dancing.
Yeah, it's very methodless.
What is that letter from Roman Dossy?
I don't know.
We were at the Capitol building
and I had like made a comment about pushing him over
because he's so small when my boss got mad at me.
Be objective.
I can use something like, all right.
Where are you working at?
There we go.
And yeah, and basically, I don't know if it was,
I knew they were conservative,
but I don't know if it was a Trump influence or what,
but they got worse and worse
and it got to be more toxic and awful.
So I was very lucky and had a friend here.
And you know, this firm,
the people who usually get all the press
are two of the attorneys here
who fought all the gerrymandering.
And have had great success in the past couple years.
Tell me when you're ready.
So I carry that with me everywhere.
And so then it does lull some people
into thinking I'm conservative and then they'll say stuff.
And I'm like, ha, I actually hate W.
In fact, I still make the argument
that W is worse than Trump in some ways.
So, okay.
And then yeah, if you can keep it kind of close
to the keyboard, whatever you bring over
and start looking through.
Yes.
All right.
Tell me when you're ready.
And now I'm ready.
Can we do it one more time?
Mm-hmm.
I like to carry it down.
That is where I spend a large part of my day doing.
All right.
The attorneys, is that right?
Maybe less.
I should know that now that I'm on the board too.
And I'm actually the HR board member.
And I actually built.
Well, and the ironic part is that there was a wonderful day
that's called the multi-state.
So it's just like general questions.
And then there's another day that's all Florida law.
I actually failed the Florida law day.
So that's what I mean is part.
But I passed the multi-state part by enough.
I'm like, all right, Florida, this is weird.
But yeah, so I'm like, I'm walking around here.
I'm taking two bar exams and there are lawyers
in this law firm who haven't taken any.
And it is sort of a miserable process,
but it's kind of also.
It depends on the state.
So Texas was two and a half days.
I think the only one that's harder is New York
is a full three days, I think.
Florida was two days.
So yeah.
He's so smart.
And yeah, he's been doing this for so long and knows everyone.
And it's so cool.
That's really cool.
So it's okay.
So you're still in school?
On your bill, right?
And so yes, being able to communicate,
being able to explain these issues, I actually wish I'd
been an environmental studies major.
And I think sometimes when my kids go off,
I may want to get like some sort of ecology degree
or something.
Oh yeah, ecology is awesome.
Yeah, I'm really obsessed with all this now.
I just didn't think about it.
Really?
And I want to put up some pictures and different things.
Like I published my co-presenter and I published an article
on this climate stuff and structure magazine,
which is like the engineering magazine.
And then yeah, I did, I think it was almost my last blog post
for the Levial Geeks was right at the beginning
of the pandemic.
And I was thinking about, what is it?
Fake pink unicorns in the time of coronavirus?
Like I ripped off the whole love and the time of Colorado
before anybody forced you to clear up some of this stuff.
Because really, I think like that whole box can go,
but where's we like our paper?
Although at least I do do plaques.
I'm like, I don't think I just do plaques.
I waste so much paper all the time
and I feel so guilty about it.
I'm not all right.
OK.
All right.
I'm going to become very self-conscious of my walk.
It's so good.
So whenever you're ready you can go.
Right.
OK.
I'm sucking in my gut as I walk to the beach then it's possible at all, I'm glad I bought
pants on.
Try it again.
Thank you.
If you don't mind.
No, of course not.
I still have my phone so I give my step count in.
I do love this B-roll stuff.
I'm happy to do it again if you want.
Up to you.
I'll wear a pink when I'm dealing with construction stuff sometimes just to be like, yeah.
So that is one thing I call a younger, a Chinese both male and female, is that I do women,
and we do have at least a little bit more advantage.
Yeah.
In this situation, I don't know.
It's not good, I don't know.
And then do you know who's going to be out of the place?
Well, I think so.
Some people, I don't know if that was part of your skill set.
Actually, maybe for a minute.
Yeah, he just requested it.
Yeah.
I don't know if you want to cap it on there too.
Yeah, that's okay.