to compete with the Garmin watches.
All right, that's it.
So it tracks your heart rate and everything all the time?
Yeah, well, the Apple Watch does that too.
But this one, it's a longer battery.
It's got some other features like depth,
like if you're in the water, water temperature.
Are you a diver?
No, but I do swim a lot.
Okay, let's go swim.
I mean, I got in triathlon a couple of years ago.
Okay.
So I'm in the water often,
and I was like, yeah, I don't have to know the water temperature,
but it helps.
I'm sure it gives you a sense.
Yeah, it gives you a sense.
It's like, my feeling weird, or is this water?
Yeah, it was like, all right, why am I going so slow?
Or why do I feel fast?
Like, it's the temperature plays a lot
in like the speed in which you swim.
Well, especially if you know your body.
If you know your body.
Yeah.
And then so, you know, long business running
and super long bike rides.
Okay.
This is knee wash decking.
All right, so first governor to compete
in the Madison triathlon?
I guess that would be the case.
I did Ironman last year.
Okay, where?
Here.
Oh, do you have the Madison?
I did Madison Ironman last year.
Okay.
Yeah.
I didn't want to bring it up.
I didn't want to bring it up.
I tried not to, but if it comes up, I have to talk about it.
Okay.
We'll keep this in the memory banks, for the whole road.
Yeah.
We've got this on record.
Yeah.
My goal, I just want to be under 13 hours.
I did 12 and a half.
Cool.
Feeling good.
But now I think I could get under 11.
Got to stick.
That's the next goal.
But now I don't know how that works with the timeline.
Yeah.
Well, are you, do you lose energy over the course of a campaign or just a kid?
Well, the thing, I mean, you just don't have time to train.
I can't train for that kind of race.
It takes so much time to train.
I was just talking to somebody about this yesterday and it's like you lose everything.
You lose personal time.
You lose personality.
It's just like I lost a lot of myself just because, you know, I'd be out.
I see like 10 o'clock approaching my friends, be out, you know, they wouldn't need it.
It's not like we were out late, but we were in a bar, like just kind of talking and hanging
out.
Like after a game, I see 10 o'clock approach, approaching, like I believe I have to go.
I have to be out of here, now they're out to midnight, not super late, but I had to
be super diligent just because one, the race cost so much and two, it's like if I
do it, I want to do a good job and like there's so many just small factors that could change
everything and I didn't want to mess up one night and then it gives me leeway.
I'm like, all right, what's another night?
Another night won't hurt or just start getting off track and I need to do it.
It's interesting because it sounds like the athletes that talk about like sleep training
and just like how they have to like factor in 24-7, like they are preparing for.
For sure.
And like I didn't do the sleep training, but I did, it was eight hours for sure.
Because I mean you got to get eight hours, you really need more because you're just doing
so much.
And it's two a days too, right?
Most days are two activities, like you'll swim in the morning, run in the afternoon
or bike, but it's always for the most part, two activities a day.
All right.
We're good?
Yeah.
All right.
Mandela Barnes, thanks for coming in.
For sure.
Thank you so much for having me.
So for voters who may not be as familiar with you, introduce yourself and say why are
you running for governor?
Absolutely.
I'm Mandela Barnes, former lieutenant governor, former state rep running for governor because
we find ourselves in a critical moment here in the state of Wisconsin, all across the
country, but Wisconsin has certainly been impacted.
We see rising costs, which is no different from other states, but when people are having
such a hard time to pay for groceries, to live in their homes, to be able to afford their
utilities or even health care, we need leadership that's going to reject the status quo and
actually get to work to solve in our problems.
And this is more than just about bold leadership to take on Donald Trump.
We need bold leadership that's going to provide solutions.
And I'm running because we need to provide real relief in my time in the legislature.
My time as lieutenant governor has been focused on making life better for people across Wisconsin.
It's been focused on improving quality of life, and that's why I'm ready to get to work
to lower costs on the very first day.
Is there a single issue that's driven you in your career, maybe a lane within the party
that helps define who you are?
Well, there are a number of issues.
You know, I honestly think about challenges, situations, circumstances that I've dealt
with growing up, unfortunately, I've lost friends of gun violence.
That was one of the biggest things that actually made me think about public service.
Who was going to step up?
Who was going to answer the call?
And we have these conversations about crime.
We have these conversations about violence in general, like it speaks to me personally,
because this wasn't just a one-off.
It was my freshman year.
I remember losing my first friend, lost more after that as well.
And I think about, you know, how do we address these, you know, because it keeps happening.
You know, my situation isn't unique, it's not isolated.
There are far too many people who have had to deal with this, but we've seen far too
few solutions.
And ultimately, you know, growing up, you know, I didn't necessarily think about public service,
you know, the household I grew up with, y'all saw the commercials, my mother was a public
school teacher.
My dad worked third shift on an assembly line.
Of course, I want to ensure that we have an economy that works for everybody.
I want to ensure that every child has at least the same opportunities that I grew up in.
As a proud public school graduate, I want to ensure that our schools are fully funded
and our children can go to school without the threat of gun violence.
And with that being said, you know, I would look around and say, well, who's actually
responding to this crisis, who's actually ready and prepared to step up to do something.
And it's not that people weren't, it's just that not a lot of people carry that personal
experience.
I hope nobody ever has to experience it.
But for those who have, I hope that they know that they can use their voice to step
up into positions of leadership and actually be an advocate to show up and fight for what's
right.
How much money are you going to need to raise in order to win this primary and then the election?
Ooh, an obscene amount of money, which is the worst part about politics.
There's far too much money involved.
I think about, you know, the amount of spending that's not just from candidates, but also
from super PACs.
It feels as if everyday people don't have a voice in politics.
I'm proud of, you know, our previous campaigns, where we were grassroots funded.
We didn't take corporate PAC money, not a dime of corporate PAC money.
And I look at this race and that's the same case.
We're not taking corporate PAC money.
But it is going to take about $50 million on the candidate side for me to raise.
And it shouldn't be that way.
But if we don't come out successful, we'll never be able to get big money out of politics.
And we're looking to have a grassroots funded campaign, a people power campaign, and ultimately
our goal has to be ethics reform to ensure that everyday people that regular Wisconsin
ites get to have their voice heard in politics and feel as if their participation matters
because so many people are checked out.
They feel that their voice doesn't matter because of the gross amount of spending that
happens.
They think, unfortunately, what do my thoughts even mean in the grand scheme of things if
you have all these interests that get to dump virtually unlimited sums of money into the
political process is something that has to change.
You're no stranger to competitive primaries.
So what's the difference for you between negative campaigning against a member of your party
versus just defining differences between candidates?
Well, I have zero interest in negative campaigning against any of my opponents.
My focus, as I mentioned, has been and will continue to be on November.
And I say this, I have a lot of friends in the race.
I respect everybody in the race.
I think everybody brings something to the race.
But I'm running based off of my experience.
My time in the legislature and my time as lieutenant governor is unmatched in this primary.
I've been every single county.
My first year as lieutenant governor continued to make my rounds across the state every year
after, even out of office.
I've had the great fortune and opportunity to be able to travel the great state of Wisconsin,
just meeting with people, just, you know, existing, living, getting to enjoy the rich
natural beauty.
It's been money in our small businesses and just spend time in communities.
And with that being the case, I think about the work that I have put in.
And, you know, some folks may say, oh, Mendoza's got the name recognition.
Well, I got the name recognition because I've shown up.
I've been there, especially when times have been hard for Wisconsinites, whether it's
storm damage tours or even when we were navigating the complexities of the pandemic and ultimately
being able to help deliver results in terms of ensuring that Wisconsin had one of the
most successful bouncebacks in the entire country post pandemic or even our small business
tours where we provided grants and relief, expansion of broadband programs, rural prosperity
initiatives and gun and excuse me, violence prevention initiatives and resources and
funding for cities like Milwaukee, I'm proud of that work and proud to have been a part
of that work, proud to have been a partner to Governor Evers through two budget cycles
where, you know, we got to outline our priorities to help rescue Wisconsin to bring us back
from eight years of hardship before us.
When voters are looking at this broad field of candidates, do you think they should look
for who connects best with them on the issues or should they be thinking about electability?
Well, I think people should be looking about, we're looking at who is going to fight for
them, who's going to show up, who's not going to take a no foreign answer, who's going to
be bold and who is going to drastically work to improve quality of life regardless of
where you live and regardless of who you vote for.
I've been committed to this work, I will remain committed to this work.
As I said, even out of office of help elect Democrats up and down the ballot, I have helped
with a number of initiatives and actually led my own initiatives to lower energy costs
and utility bills for people across the state through an organization called for it together
with Wisconsin.
And now, in this race, because Wisconsinites are in real need of relief, we are in real
need of solutions, and I think that ultimately, experience does matter.
I am the person in this race who will be ready to govern on day one.
I am the person who is ready to fight like hell for you, again, regardless of who you
voted for, and I'm ready to show up to make sure that our schools have the full funding
that they deserve, our public schools get the resources that they need so that communities
aren't going to referendum every single election cycle, putting that burden on property
taxpayers.
I'm ready to make sure that we usher in a new era of energy freedom where Wisconsinites
are generating their own energy instead of spending all our money out of state on coal
that is ultimately making people less healthy and costing us much more money with each
passing month.
So most of the candidates have connections to either Milwaukee or Madison.
What is your outreach plan for the rest of the state?
For rural Wisconsin?
Well, I can tell you, there's not a person in this race who has the experience in all
parts of Wisconsin that I have.
In 22, I won the Wisconsin Farmers Union Friend of the Family Farmer Award because of my
dedication to rural Wisconsin.
I ran into a guy leaving that conference a few years ago and said that he never thought
that he'd be voting for a guy from Milwaukee based on his rural policy.
And also understanding that rural Wisconsin isn't just farms.
It is small businesses that make up a rural Wisconsin.
It's also the outdoor activities that bring tourism to rural Wisconsin.
And we need to ensure that that landscape is strong and is preserved and funded for
years to come because the more that we invest in, whether it's tourism or outdoor recreation,
that money comes back hand over fist.
It is a significant investment.
We get a significant return from that investment, I should say.
Something we should be proud of.
People look at Wisconsin as a place to come and visit.
And that's something we should protect and it's something we should be able to figure
out even in a bipartisan way to expand.
We're talking about places that are represented by Republicans, places that are represented
by Democrats as well that are some of the most beautiful spaces in this entire country,
if not this entire world.
And people want to see it.
And I want to ensure that we're putting Wisconsin on the map.
I want Wisconsin to be the best possible state.
I feel you just visit, but to live, work, and raise a family.
I do believe that that reality is possible, but it takes, you know, having had that experience
that I've had going across Wisconsin, talking to people from all different backgrounds,
all different walks of life and figuring out what those best solutions are to improve things
for everyone.
What do you think the impact of Donald Trump will be on this election?
Well, people are dissatisfied.
People are lied to.
People have been lied to.
He lied the first time around, but people are filling those lies a whole lot more.
He called affordability a hoax, a person that's struggling to pay their utility bills right
now.
I don't think that's a hoax.
People who are struggling to stay in their homes, they don't think that's a hoax.
People who are going to see their healthcare premiums rise, we're going to see their healthcare
premiums balloon.
It's not a hoax to them.
And for the president of all people, most powerful person in this country, most powerful
person in this world to dismiss their concerns when they voted for him based on his pledge,
his promise to get it under control, something that's not just, you know, not sitting well
with me.
That's something that's not sitting well with a majority of his voters and certainly
the people who, you know, didn't vote for him, but he lied to everybody.
And there's something very sick and very gross about that.
We deserve so much more.
We contribute so much to this country as a state.
We feed this country.
We build this country, we make the parts that power this entire world, and we should be
respected as such.
And this complete dismissal of our realities, of our lived experiences is something that
ultimately those who pledge loyalty to Donald Trump versus loyalty to the state of Wisconsin,
they're going to feel that impact.
And that's why this campaign isn't just about me running for governor, me winning the race
for governor.
This is about ensuring that we have a majority in the state assembly and the state of senate
to actually do right by the people because the will of the people should be the law of
the land.
And we're going to ensure that it is.
You just referenced it, but as governor, you could have a democratic legislature behind
you.
In that case, what's AB1?
What's the first bill you want to sign?
Well, as I said, the first priority is Badger Care expansion.
Right away, day one, special session if necessary.
I refuse to sign a state budget that does not include Badger Care expansion if we have
not already gotten to that point.
We're one of nine states.
We are one of nine states that has yet to expand our Medicaid program under the Affordable
Care Act.
It's a travesty that is not the case.
Republicans and legislature have denied people the care that they deserve.
And for the life of me, cannot understand why.
Look at states like Louisiana.
They actually did it through governor John Bell, former governor John Bell at worst did
it through executive order.
His Republican predecessor, you know, when you sign an executive order, the risky run
is that your successor can actually overturn that executive order.
His Republican successor has not overturned that executive order that expanded their Medicaid
program.
And it's because he knows that his constituents, his voters, rely on that Medicaid expansion.
They rely on that support or else they will be priced out of care.
So for the last, it'll be 17 years now, Republicans have done a disservice, not just
to people in Milwaukee and Madison as they want to make it seem, they've done a disservice
to their own voters.
And that dereliction of duty shows how unfit they are for office.
Tom Tiffany was in the legislature.
He could have voted to expand Medicaid.
He could have shown some leadership if he truly cared about costs for people in Wisconsin.
And that's another reason why this election is so important, even voting to force the
vote in Congress for the ACA premiums, it shows a dismissal of the actual concerns that
people have.
And if you're dismissing the concerns of people in a state before, you know, as a candidate,
if you're dismissing the real concerns of people in Wisconsin, then how can you see
yourself fit to actually serve the people when they've told you exactly what's important
to them, what would improve quality of life, what would help them out, what would effectively
be a lifeline for so many people.
And you refuse to throw that lifeline, it shows that you just might not be ready for leadership.
Conversely though, there could be Republicans in charge of at least one chamber of the house.
So what's your track record for working across the aisle?
Yeah, I mean, even out of office, I've been working with a bipartisan group on democracy
reform, because there are a lot of folks, sometimes both sides of the aisle who, you
know, may make comments, may say certain things, or, you know, we've seen these issues, obviously
January 6, but other instances where people call into question integrity of elections
in campaign.
And the bipartisan group, we work to instill more confidence in the electoral process.
We work with local electoral officials, election officials, I should say, excuse me, we work
with bipartisan groups of lawmakers to strengthen our democracy.
I'm happy to work with whoever.
My goal is not just to be representative of the Democratic Party, my goal is to represent
the state of Wisconsin and the issues that are important to the people that live here,
in advancing an agenda that helps to make things better, make things easier for people
in this time of crisis.
The fact that this partisanship has taken us down this road that has effectively left
far too many people behind, and this moment, people are calling for leadership, not party
leaders, and until, you know, we have that sort of understanding, things may just, you
know, get tougher for people.
And we need to usher in a new era of leadership that is responsive to people over party.
You know, the public service commission is looking at billions of dollars of rate increases
and there's data center proposals.
How would you like to address those issues?
Well, I can tell you, we need to have a real tough look at the PSC, but unfortunately,
we see PSC commissioners who have been, you know, have been a little bit hesitant because
they saw what happened when somebody took a bold stance, you know, when, you know, Tyler
Hiedner, right, he quote unquote, got out of line and Republican state senators fired
him from his position, all because, you know, he dared to stand up for the people Wisconsin
and do the right thing.
Their PSC commissioners that don't want to see a similar fate who wants to do the right
thing, but if they're not in those seats, they can't do the right thing.
They can't do anything.
And so I think that it is important, again, for us to have a majority in the state legislature,
both houses specifically, but especially the state Senate who has that ability, unfortunately,
to control the fate of certain people in certain appointed positions.
And we need leaders who are there who are going to be committed to ensuring best-case
scenario for ratepayers.
And it is my goal, you know, these positions are every six years.
And I think the next one is an up until 2030.
With that being the case, I want to ensure that whoever is filling the seats on the
Public Service Commission is going to have a real dedication to keeping costs low for
people and also ensuring that we have the most options in terms of renewable energy.
It's a resource here that we have an opportunity to invest in.
As I mentioned before, a significant portion of our energy generation comes from coal.
There are no coal peels in Wisconsin.
There's no oil here for people to drill.
But there are resources.
And it's hard to say it on today.
You know, it's hard to say it on day like today, but there is some.
We do have opportunities with wind energy.
Iowa, Republican-controlled state, they've gone all in on wind.
And I do believe that they're not just opportunities for wind and solar, but also geothermal.
It's something of some larger industrial or even, you know, at the scale of school district
and school building.
They're investing in it because it saves money and it provides a significant return
at a time where people are trying to cut costs or finding ways to be able to save money.
What about data centers?
Yeah.
So data centers is important for us.
If they are going to be built here, there has to be a community benefits agreement.
If they are to come, that means ensuring that there's local hiring.
That means ensuring that utility rates are not going up for customers.
It also means ensuring that community input is prioritized.
There shouldn't be data center construction if there's mass opposition from the communities
that they are going to go in.
And this also means addressing concerns like water quality.
And some of this comes down to messaging too.
Some of this comes down to research and making sure that the facts are out there for people.
And nobody wants to feel like they're being taken advantage of it, especially after we've
had a fox con here in Wisconsin.
People have felt let down, people have been frustrated.
And there are those who may say, well, yeah, these data center operations feel sort of
similar.
They feel it feels as if they're coming into my community and I don't have a say so.
And when people feel like they don't have a say so and people feel powerless, that effectively
makes people lose trust in faith in our democracy.
And if we lose the faith and trust in democracy, then what are we as a state?
Who are we as a country?
So it's important for any operation that looks to construct a data center to have input
and support and buy in from the community that they're going in.
And a community benefits agreement is a broad based approach that gets us to a point where
there is a level of agreement before that construction happens.
But we can't just have communities that feel as if they're being taken advantage of.
When it comes to public education, is it just a matter of funding or is there need to be
an overhaul?
No, I mean, there's so much in public education.
But we haven't reached our two thirds funding pledge that the state is technically mandated
to provide for public schools, talk about my public school experience.
My public school was a challenged public school.
And I said before, there's no such thing as a failing school, just a failed community.
If we have students who are showing up to school hungry, people who are, you know, students
who are showing up to school homeless, like there was at one point, at least in the last
ten years, could still be the case.
I haven't seen recent numbers, but one in nine Milwaukee public school students were
homeless.
This was within the last ten years.
It could still be the case.
Now, could even be worse.
If our students aren't showing up at school on level playing field, that creates a significant
disadvantage that dictates educational outcomes.
Now we have world class K-12 education right here in the state of Wisconsin.
But if you were to go to some of these school buildings and go three to five miles down
the road, it's a completely different story.
And it's not because of the brick and mortar of that school building.
It is about what resources one community has versus another.
I believe that every school in the state of Wisconsin can be a world class school.
But it takes the investments.
We can't compare students who have every single need met versus those who have hardly any
needs met.
We have to invest in the whole child.
And that's the kind of overhaul that I'm looking at, ensuring that all of our students
are fed, all of our students are housed, all of our students have the health care, mental
and physical health care, and make sure that all they have, all their needs met.
So when they're showing up to school, they are ready to learn, so that when they go home,
they have a foundation that retains the education that they got in that school building.
Until we start looking at complete outcomes for all of our children, then the conversation
about is it funding, is it not funding, it's immaterial.
What would you like to see done with the voucher system?
Yeah, it all comes down to accountability.
That's the most important thing we can do that has to be paramount.
We have to ensure that there are structures in place that don't create a plan field where
some schools operate by one set of rules and another set of schools operates by a different
set of rules.
Public funding should come with public accountability, and that's the bottom line.
Over the course of the last year, we've seen the Wisconsin Supreme Court strip back a lot
of legislative oversight in the rulemaking process, and some claim that's unbalanced
now.
What would you like to see done?
Do you think there needs to be some more legislative oversight?
Are you happy with the way it stands now?
Well, sometimes we see politically charged or politically motivated or effectively feels
like witch hunts, as I mentioned with the PSC, as I mentioned with, you know, now Senator
Brad Paff, who was the Secretary of Department of Agriculture Trade and Consumer Protection,
and legislative oversight, I don't believe that all the powers should rest in the executive
branch.
I feel, of course, there should be a balance.
But too often, you have those who are leading legislative chambers who feel as if they want
to have even more power than the executive, just because the executive is not a member
of their party.
If you remember in 2018, right after we were elected, Governor Evers and myself, they went
into special session to take away power from the Attorney General's office.
They went into special session to take away power from the governor's office.
That was politically motivated.
That wasn't based in fundamentals of democracy.
If it's politically motivated, we had to put, you know, we had to pump the brakes there.
But if we're actually talking about strengthening democracy, I'm all for it.
When it comes to local funding for local governments, what needs to happen there from a state level?
Well, there's long been a funding flaw that has made it more difficult for municipalities
to be able to get the resources or even the money that goes in Madison to come back at
the same rate.
This has been an issue of Milwaukee.
That's why we've seen the raise in sales tax in the city of Milwaukee and Milwaukee
County.
But that didn't change the formula.
The percentage is still the same.
So effectively, there's even more money coming in.
But at a time also, when people are filling the pinch, you know, at the grocery store
or any time, they're at any checkout counter, now we have this increased sales tax, which
is making it even harder for people.
But the reason that is the case is because Madison has failed and the legislature has
failed to actually implement a real solution to make it easier for municipalities to get
the support they deserve.
And we're going to be convening a group of local elected officials of mayors very soon
to be able to have this conversation, have this discussion in a real way.
I have not served in local office.
At one point, I was a receptionist in Mayor Tom Barrett's office, but I've never served
in local office.
And I'm not going to sit here and claim to be an expert on local government funding and
financing.
But I do want to come to a solution with those who are managing city budgets every single
day to be able to provide the best solution to ensure that city services go on, especially
at a time like this, where we had an earlier snow than usual, you know, and some communities,
snow plows were a little bit late.
And it's because government and local, excuse me, cities and some counties have been unable
to hire the people they need to be able to get out on the streets to keep our roads
safe and clear.
Right now in Northern Wisconsin, there's multiple mining operations where they're doing drilling
to look at future mine potential.
The mining law was changed before you came into office.
Do you think that mining law is good, or would you like to see any overhaul there?
Well again, we need to ensure that there are environmental protections.
We can look at this the same way as we have that data center conversation.
There has to be community buy-in and community input for people who have made their homes
in an area, you know, 20, 30 years, passed down, generation to generation.
I think that folks should have some input on what happens in their backyard.
And all I'm saying is have the conversation.
That's the important part.
We've gotten away from having the conversation.
And some people don't want to have conversations because they can be difficult.
I think the difficult conversations are probably the most necessary ones to have.
So when we have those times where mining may come up and in a part of the state, we'll
talk to a community, like let's talk it out.
Because only thing that happens is more resentment if that conversation doesn't happen.
Do you have any concerns about your own safety in this political environment?
Well, we are in a politically charged environment.
And it's kind of hectic out there.
I had threats before that were made to me.
It's not a fun thing to experience.
And it's always back of mine.
But I can tell you, like I'm focused on doing what's right and I'm going to continue to
stay focused on what's doing right.
Violence is absolutely a problem.
It's an issue.
It's something that we cannot ignore.
But I can't let that slow me down either.
What's your plan to increase affordable housing?
So the plan to increase affordable housing is to ensure that we put a stop on corporate
monopolies that are buying up wholesale properties that's going on in Milwaukee.
These monopolies are making it difficult for first-time homeowners.
These monopolies are making it easy, or excuse me, making it more difficult for people to
be able to afford rent because if they own a lot of properties, they can price people
out or just charge whatever they want to charge and where else are people who want
to go.
That's the first thing we got to do.
When it comes to the Department of Corrections plan that Governor Evers has in place, would
you keep that going forward?
Yeah, to speak specifically about the plan.
His plans to shut down Green Bay eventually and build new facilities or overhaul some
facilities but not build a brand new corrections facility.
Yeah, so with Green Bay, I know that there are a number of safety concerns, structural
concerns.
Of course.
We can't have people, or even whether you're a person who's housed at that facility or
a person who's working at that facility, we can't have people in substandard conditions.
So the overhaul of smaller facilities, more regional facilities, I think that might get
us to a place where we can more effectively rehabilitate people and that has to be our
baseline as well, ensuring that rehabilitation actually happens.
What would you like to see in terms of Wisconsin's abortion law?
Well, Wisconsin's 1849 criminal abortion ban, you know, it shouldn't be in place.
For one, this is something that came at a time where women can vote, you know, a lot
of people can vote.
There were a lot of people who were kept out of democracy when we had our 1849 criminal
abortion ban, which should be immediately disqualifying on his face.
And that law was triggered by the Dobbs decision.
And I would love to see this country get back to a pre-Dobbs era because Roe was the
law of the land that was generally accepted by Democrats, of course, but even Republicans
who didn't necessarily like abortion wasn't their thing.
Roe was sort of a compromise for them and something they felt comfortable with.
All right.
That was actually the last question.
Mandela Barnes, thanks for coming in.
For sure.
Thank you so much.
All right.
That was perfect timing.
All right.
Thank you so much.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you.