1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,440 Well, Congressman Tiffany, thanks for joining us. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,280 Good to join us, Zach. 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,760 So immediately after the primary, a lot of the attention on the race seem to be focused 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:11,760 on data centers. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,440 But in the last few weeks, it seems like it's shifted to traditional topics of taxes and 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,800 spending and crime. 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,280 Do you think that'll be the standard issue that this election has decided on? 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,960 Yeah, I think it's those quality of life issues. 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,160 I mean, what we talk about all the time is affordability, accountability and common sense. 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,760 That's the message that we're delivering out there. 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,800 But it is very much economic. 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,360 It's kitchen table issues. 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,240 I mean, people see their budgets there. 14 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,360 They're really stretched thin at this point and that's their concern. 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,080 And I hear it from all the people that are out knocking doors for us. 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,600 They're like, it's economic kitchen table issues is what people are talking about. 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,320 Now, there's two different definitions of affordability that the parties have. 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,680 Obviously, you're talking about taxing and spending and the budget. 19 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:01,440 And Democrats are talking about national tariffs and rising prices or gas prices. 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,120 Which do you think impacts people more? 21 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,360 Oh, I think they both do. 22 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,920 And gas prices are too high. 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,040 And those are largely set on world markets. 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,800 The thing that I've been focused on is what can I do as governor? 25 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,520 Because you can flail on issues that you don't have any impact on. 26 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,960 I think it's very important to have a governor that is going to be focused on the issues 27 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,120 that you can help people out with. 28 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,560 So if we're going to put more money in people's pockets, that's why I've been talking about 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,840 let's reduce taxes. 30 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,040 And the 400 year property tax increase, the $3 billion budget surplus that we have, 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,440 we should return every penny of it to the taxpayers so they have more money in their pockets. 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:42,960 We're going to do a 10% income tax cut for those making $150,000 and less. 33 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:44,720 And no taxes on tips and overtime. 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,000 Just like we did federally. 35 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,080 I mean, I had a guy from Marshfield just contact me. 36 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,120 I was at an event and he came up to me and he said, 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:58,720 I took home $1,100 more last year during tax filing season as a result of no taxes on overtime. 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,200 He works about 10 hours of overtime every week. 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,520 And so we're going to do that at the state level also. 40 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,000 We need to make life more affordable and how we can do it here in Wisconsin 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,080 is put more money in people's pockets. 42 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,280 Earlier this year you had a tweet where you're in front of the gas station pumps and you've 43 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,040 promises made, promises kept. 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,600 Obviously prices have gone up significantly since then. 45 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Do you regret that tweet or is it just outside of your ability to control water? 46 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,800 It's outside of our control and at that time, boy, what was it like 47 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,720 $2.35 or something like that? 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,480 So gas prices had gone down. 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,040 They went up as a result of the instability in the Middle East and Iran 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,920 and with the Revolutionary Guard plinking a ship every now and then in the 51 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:40,080 Straits of Hormuz to keep gas prices up. 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:46,640 And so it's really important that we have more energy that is being produced. 53 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:50,320 And that's the thing that I've been focused on both state and federally 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,040 is we have to be energy independent here in America. 55 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,640 So what can a governor do? 56 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:59,040 A governor can deal with the energy issue in regards to our utilities. 57 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:04,800 We've seen over $2 billion of increases in utility rates here over the last eight years. 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,480 The Public Service Commission here in Wisconsin is just acted as a rubber stamp 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,160 for the utility rate increases. 60 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:16,240 I will not do that and we can help make life more affordable for Wisconsinites 61 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:21,840 by not raising those utility rates and getting back to keeping our base load 62 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,440 sources of power and I think it's time to embrace the new nuclear technologies 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:26,960 so that we can make that affordable. 64 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,200 We also have what many people don't realize is we've got a refinery here in Wisconsin. 65 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,520 It was rebuilt over the last eight years up in Superior and they have the capacity to 66 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:36,000 expand. 67 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,560 They could produce more gasoline and diesel fuel there. 68 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,640 I think we should be talking to that company if they would consider expanding in Wisconsin. 69 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,920 Let's produce it here in Wisconsin and let's look to the long term 70 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,920 to bring down these energy prices. 71 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,760 Democrats would point to your role in Congress as oversight 72 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,280 and control the budget over Donald Trump and tariffs and initiating the war in Iran. 73 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,760 What do you have to say to respond about your role in Congress in that area? 74 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,240 Yes, so if you take a look at the bill that we passed last year, 75 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,360 no taxes on tips and overtime as well as Social Security taxes, 76 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,040 we eliminated them for almost everyone that's on Social Security. 77 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,680 We've put more money into people's pockets. 78 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,720 I would also say that by securing the border, hopefully we're going to see 79 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,840 the price of housing come down in some places because remember when 10 million people came in 80 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:33,840 over the four years of President Biden, that drove up the cost of housing because they had 81 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,440 to live somewhere. 82 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:42,240 So those things are really important that we deal with them but I'm focused now on what I can do 83 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,880 as a governor and that is reducing costs for Wisconsinites. 84 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,480 As governor, you may have to deal with the trade war with Canada. 85 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,040 President Trump has initiated more tariffs and Canada has responded including on motorcycles 86 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,280 and cheese that directly affects our state and including areas that you represent in Congress 87 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:01,600 and in your past life in the legislature. 88 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,000 What does it mean for people when we may not be able to export to our closest neighbor? 89 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:13,280 Well, Canada has made it clear that they're being very targeted in how they're implementing 90 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:14,240 their tariffs. 91 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:19,680 They're clearly trying to hit Wisconsin and when you put a tariff on Harley-Davidson, 92 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,680 it's clear what you're trying to do. 93 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,760 Remember, Harley-Davidson just announced in the last month or so 94 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,920 they're bringing production back here to America and that means in Wisconsin, 95 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:35,280 including in my backyard up in Tomahawk where they're talking about bringing jobs back to Wisconsin. 96 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,440 It was time that someone stood up to this whole notion of free trade 97 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,200 and these countries taking advantage of us and Canada has done that. 98 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,480 Look at their dairy tariffs. 99 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,000 They're as high as 300%. 100 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,840 Why don't they reduce their tariffs to help our dairy farmers here in Wisconsin? 101 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:59,200 So what I hope happens is that let's sit down and negotiate an agreement with our neighbor 102 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,080 to the north because we do a lot of trade with them. 103 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,800 Let's get some agreements with them to be able to get to a better place. 104 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,840 But do you support Donald Trump initiating this latest round of tariff battles with Canada? 105 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:13,360 Like right as the election's going on? 106 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,160 Oh, I think the Prime Minister of Canada had as much to do with this as anything. 107 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,200 I mean, what we're seeing at this point is he's actually cozying up to China in some ways 108 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:30,000 and he's allowing Canada to be a pass through from China for some of their goods. 109 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:36,000 I mean, let's have both parties sit down and let's negotiate an agreement 110 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,520 and get things to a better place. 111 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,840 And I believe that we can make that happen. 112 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:42,960 One of the issues your campaign has brought up about David Crawley's record 113 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,440 as Milwaukee County Executive has to do with crime, 114 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,880 but crime statistics nationwide and in Wisconsin are down. 115 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:54,560 Is Milwaukee County a much different place than it was when say Scott Walker was County Executive? 116 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,920 So you look at the last year and a half violent crime has went down significantly here in America. 117 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:03,360 I mean, I think about Washington DC having spent some time out there 118 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,360 serving in Congress. 119 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,480 The streets are much safer and that's because of the actions that have been taken by the 120 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,960 administration to make sure that they're safe. 121 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,880 And to me, it sends a clear message. 122 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:22,480 We've accepted crime here in America and in Wisconsin over the last few decades, I believe. 123 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,440 And we don't need to accept these high crime levels as we're seeing them come down now. 124 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,880 And that's what I'll do as governor. 125 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,560 We're not going to accept crime. 126 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,320 We're not going to take the side, like David Crawley, my opponent does, 127 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,480 of the perpetrators of crime. 128 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,040 We're going to look out for the victims of crime. 129 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,000 Let's make sure that we have safe streets in Wisconsin. 130 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,920 That means prosecutors need to prosecute. 131 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,640 And that means no sanctuary cities. 132 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,800 We need to make sure that Wisconsin is a safe place for people to live. 133 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,560 It doesn't matter whether you're in Madison, Milwaukee or in Monocua. 134 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,800 You should be able to expect that you can walk down the streets of a city in Wisconsin 135 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,480 and it's going to be safe. 136 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,640 And I mean, you look at David Crawley's record as we highlighted today, 137 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,000 he is not making sure that the streets of Milwaukee County are safe. 138 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,120 I mean, what's going to happen to Wisconsin if he becomes governor? 139 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,280 How much responsibility should the chief executive, either a county or a state 140 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,160 take when it comes to individual actions committed by individuals? 141 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,760 Well, if you listened to Judge Barrowski last week in Milwaukee County, he talked about 142 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,920 how it's preposterous that this happened, that a violent criminal was able to reach out to his 143 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:40,320 victim and communicate with him 1500 times via the tablet he was given by Milwaukee County. 144 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:46,400 That was signed off in 2022 by David Crawley that they get a free tablet. 145 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:53,680 He renewed that once again in 2025, including after what we found out in May of this year 146 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:00,000 that there were violent criminals reaching out to their victims and messaging them 1500 times, 147 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,040 that should have been the warning signal to the county executive. 148 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,880 We got to take another look at that. 149 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,320 What happens in the meantime? 150 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,640 Now we find out a triple murderer is trying to intimidate witnesses. 151 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,480 So a county executive or the governor has a great deal to do with safety. 152 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,280 And I think the big thing that the governor can do in Wisconsin is set the message that 153 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,320 we're going to back up law enforcement. We're going to support them. 154 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,280 We're going to make sure that we have safe streets here in Wisconsin. 155 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,440 Well, let's talk about flock cameras for a second then because that's another issue that's come up. 156 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:38,400 As this technology has changed so rapidly and the opinions of political leaders or even law 157 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,720 enforcement can change that rapidly. Is it fair to hold a position that someone might have taken 158 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,360 two years ago against them when even law enforcement is now saying, yeah, flock's not being used the 159 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,720 right way. We need to rein that in. 160 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,280 So clarify your question if you would. 161 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:56,320 I guess I'm saying you've attacked David Crowley for supporting some of the flock cameras in Milwaukee 162 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:02,640 County or your allies have attacked him for having those. And at the same time, it's now law enforcement 163 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,560 that's saying we need to rein this in. This isn't about political leadership. It was about the system 164 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:11,920 as a whole needs to be changed. You've said that you want to see no shared revenue going towards 165 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,480 flock cameras at the time until we can figure out how to use this technology appropriately. 166 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,120 Yeah, so I don't remember attacking David Crowley in regards to this issue. But what I've 167 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:28,080 said in regards to flock cameras is that, yeah, we should turn off the shared revenue and take 168 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,040 a time out here and put together a study committee. We're going to put together a study committee and 169 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:38,400 we're going to bring people from all walks of life in to make sure that we put the appropriate 170 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:46,880 guardrails around flock cameras. And for me, the first thing that I will emphasize is we've 171 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,760 got to make sure we protect people's privacy. We need to make sure that people's data is not being 172 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,560 shipped to communist China or something like that or one of our adversaries. 173 00:10:56,560 --> 00:11:01,440 We need to make sure that we protect people's privacy and their information, their personal 174 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:07,920 information. And I think it's time for us just to sit down and do a full review of what flock 175 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:14,880 cameras capability is and then find the appropriate guardrails around it so that we make sure that 176 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:21,200 we protect people's privacy while also allowing law enforcement to be able to catch those bad guys 177 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:27,280 but do it appropriately. An area that seems adjacent to that is data centers and that's another one 178 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:32,160 that seems to cut across political lines of people generally worried or opposed to this. 179 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:38,400 So what is the best way to approach these issues when it comes to political leadership? 180 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,640 So I think both in regards to flock cameras as well as data centers. I think people are just 181 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:48,000 saying time out the technology changes so fast and this has been going on for years where 182 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:54,160 the technology changes so fast and they're like okay what are the capabilities of this technology 183 00:11:54,240 --> 00:12:01,280 and people just want to have a bit of a time out. So in regards to data centers I just say 184 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,920 no data centers unless we do the following conditions. No subsidies. A couple years ago 185 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,400 Governor Evers signed a bill into law that allows additional subsidies for data centers. These 186 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,000 are some of the richest companies in the world. They don't need subsidies from you and I and the 187 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,680 taxpayers of Wisconsin. My opponent David Crowley supports those subsidies. We should not raise 188 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:24,000 people's electricity rates. There should be no non-disclosure agreements. Local people should 189 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,320 have input and we should not be converting on a subsidized basis our beautiful farmland here in 190 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,680 Wisconsin and that's consistent with my position in regards to wind and solar where I have no problem 191 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:40,720 with solar being built over impervious surfaces, parking lots, big industrial buildings, things 192 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,600 like that but we've got to stop destroying our farmland here in Wisconsin and I would add one 193 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:50,160 other thing in regards to data centers. My department of natural resources do a full environmental 194 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:56,400 review to make sure that they meet all of our environmental laws here in Wisconsin and I would 195 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,880 just point out the other difference between me and David Crowley is he said data centers should 196 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,880 be powered by wind and solar. So we did the math on that. Just Mount Pleasant and Port Washington 197 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:13,440 would take a hundred thousand acres of farmland in order to do that. That's just that we should 198 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,760 not be destroying our farmland like that. So Democrats are saying you're a little inconsistent 199 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,160 because of your vote for the speed act on this which would have had a 10 year moratorium on 200 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:28,080 federal regulations. How is that different from your position today? So actually the speed act 201 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,880 there's two different things that we're talking about there because the speed act would not take 202 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:41,040 away state control of data centers. So even if the speed act passes which it hasn't if it does pass 203 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:47,840 it will not affect my ability as governor to do any of the regulation that we choose to do 204 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,560 around data centers. So there's still be local control. There still will be local control. Okay. 205 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,000 So one of the other things that's come up in technology areas has to do with betting on 206 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,800 elections and some of these betting websites. Do you think it should be illegal for people to 207 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,520 bet on elections and vote in the same election as it is in Wisconsin and what are you doing to 208 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:13,200 make sure that no one on your staff is engaging in any betting on elections? So yeah I don't 209 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,680 think we should be betting on elections and my staff will not be betting on elections because 210 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:23,280 I've told them that they can't do that. I mean they just shouldn't do that. Do you what would 211 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:29,520 as governor would you want to see some regulation of sites like Kelsey or Polymarket? Yeah that may 212 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:35,040 be necessary. I mean it's probably better to do some of that at the federal level that you have 213 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:40,880 consistent rules across the entire United States but we would certainly take a look at that 214 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:49,520 and see if there's an appropriate place for making sure that it isn't creating a problem 215 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,640 in our state. Let's talk a little bit about what it'll take to win this November for you. 216 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,360 Traditionally I guess historically going back 20 years Republicans had very consistent turnout 217 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:04,160 in off-year elections, non-presidential years, whereas Democrats needed really high turnout in 218 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:09,360 order to win. That seems to have flipped in the last 10 years where Trump has turned out more 219 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,080 rural voters in presidential years but they don't often show up in off-years whereas some of those 220 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,240 same suburban voters that Republicans used to count on in the wild counties are now trending a 221 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:23,200 little more blue. So what do you need to win this fall in terms of turnout? Do you want the highest 222 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:29,760 turnout possible? Is that to your advantage? Well we need 50 plus one. That's where we start. 223 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,280 But you know I've had a 72 county strategy from the very start and we're delivering a message 224 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,400 that starts with affordability, accountability, and we're going to bring common sense to Madison. 225 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,760 And I think that some of it's going to cut across party lines to a certain extent. I mean we just 226 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,080 talked about in regards to the conversion of our farmland. I can tell you there's a lot of 227 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:56,000 Republicans that are people who are not identified as Republicans in rural areas around Wisconsin. 228 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:01,680 They're tired of seeing this farmland being converted and it's a big issue for them and we're going 229 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:08,560 to win votes there. So we're just taking a message that Wisconsin can be one of the great states in 230 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,520 America. I mean we're going to decide in this election are we going to slide in the direction 231 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,320 of like Minnesota and Illinois which are among the laggards here in the country at this point. 232 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Are we going to be one of the really up-and-coming states? Are we going to be one of the great states 233 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:28,000 in America? And if we do those things like return more money to the taxpayers so they have it in 234 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,400 their pockets, don't regulate them so much that you basically regulate them out of business. 235 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:39,360 Let's make sure that we audit all of state governments so your tax dollars are not being wasted, 236 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:46,320 that they're not being stolen by fraudsters. Let's do all those basic things that make a state a 237 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:51,600 great place to live, work, and recreate in. We do those things and we're going to do really well 238 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,960 in Wisconsin and I think that message is resonating with people across the state. 239 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:03,200 So would you invite Donald Trump to campaign in Wisconsin? Do you think you need him to burst 240 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,120 boost turnout in some of those areas? I mean the president's going to decide where he's going to 241 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:14,320 campaign here in 2026 in the balance of the election. We just go out and do our job every day. I mean 242 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:21,280 it's like the question in regards to the convention that's coming up this week down in Dallas. 243 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,640 I mean I've got a full schedule that's been set in place. We're meeting every person that we can 244 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:33,760 in the state of Wisconsin and we're talking about the issues because it's much like my opponent. 245 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,720 You hear him talk when he talks about all he talks about is Tom Tiffany and Donald Trump 246 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:46,240 and he's not talking about what do Wisconsinites want so he can rail against Donald Trump. 247 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,920 I'm fighting for Wisconsin and that's what I will do as governor. We're going to make sure we do 248 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,280 the things that are best for the state of Wisconsin and I've always went about my business that way 249 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:03,360 whether I was in the state legislature or now in Congress. The test is always what's best for 250 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:08,400 Wisconsin and that's what I'm going to do as governor. Right now Donald Trump has this lowest 251 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,000 rating ever among independents and there's a lot of people saying well that's going to sink Tom 252 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,680 Tiffany. They're independents though so how do you get them to focus on this race separate from their 253 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:24,400 approval rating of the president? To talk about what's going to make Wisconsin a really great 254 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,280 state once again because I mean look at the things that are happening right now 400-year 255 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:34,640 property tax increase. Property taxes went up the most in 30 years last December. That's going to 256 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:40,960 continue if we don't end that property tax increase. We're going to do that. Two utility rates continue 257 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,240 to go up nickel and diming people in their monthly budgets. We're going to end that. We're 258 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,120 going to stop this billions of dollars of increases of utility rates. We're going to audit state 259 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:56,560 government. We've seen the fraud that's going on over our neighbors to the west in Minnesota. 260 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:00,560 Some of that's going on in Wisconsin too. We're going to make sure and audit all the state 261 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:05,760 government so we don't. That money isn't stolen by fraudsters so we're going to put more money 262 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:11,200 into people's pockets. We're going to make it so that it is easier for them if they want to start 263 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:17,280 a business, if they want to expand their business. We're going to make it easier for them in Wisconsin 264 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:23,120 rather than for example taking 14 months to get permits to be able to build a home. We are going 265 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:28,160 to make Wisconsin a destination here in the upper Midwest for those who want to prosper. 266 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:34,800 In 2024 Republicans saw large boost from Hispanic voters crossing over to vote for Republicans in 267 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,160 Donald Trump specifically. Since then in some other elections and special elections you've seen 268 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,840 some of that Hispanic vote revert back to Democrats. What is your message to Hispanic voters? Not only 269 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,080 in southeast Wisconsin but those that live in rural Wisconsin about what you can do for them as 270 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:58,160 governor. Yeah I don't deliver a message to any particular group. I address all Wisconsinites 271 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:03,920 regardless of what your ethnicity is, regardless of what your color is. The plan that we have in 272 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:11,760 place of lower taxes, greater affordability, making sure state government is accountable to you. 273 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,880 We're going to grow jobs. We're going to make Wisconsin one of the best states in the country 274 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,880 to be able to live, work and play and I think that resonates with everyone. 275 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,720 What is your impact going to be on the down ballot races? There's a lot of really tight 276 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,640 assembly and state senate races that will determine who controls the legislature. 277 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,480 Do you think they're going to ride right along with you in terms of your success means their 278 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,360 success for Republicans? Yeah I believe we have a very good chance to be able to win this race 279 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:46,240 especially when they see the contrast between myself and David Crowley. I mean David Crowley is 280 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:52,400 weak on crime. We're going to make sure that people have safe streets here in Wisconsin. 281 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:58,960 He's consistently raised taxes. Every year as county executive they've raised their property 282 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,680 taxes. The one year they didn't he nearly doubled the sales tax. That's not going to make our 283 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:09,520 state more prosperous. I have a record of reducing taxes especially for working class people and 284 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,760 then we're going to audit all of state government. We know David Crowley is not because if he were 285 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,960 going to he would start with Milwaukee County right now with them having nearly a 51 million 286 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:24,400 dollar deficit facing them. So we're going to do all those things that are going to make Wisconsin 287 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:31,760 a better state and I think that that is going to resonate with the voters and I think that 288 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:37,360 it will help us down ballot. The United States Postal Service has absentee balloting rules that 289 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:41,920 are currently in court and looks like they're heading for the US Supreme Court. Would you support 290 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,240 those changes going in place even as absentee ballots are already being sent out in Wisconsin? 291 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,240 I mean that's going to be up to the courts. It is in the courts at this point and they're going to 292 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:56,560 decide what role is going to be able to be played there. All I know is I have confidence in clerks 293 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,440 across the state of Wisconsin. There's hundreds of them and I've worked with them in northern 294 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:07,840 Wisconsin. Regardless of what rules are put before them they always go out and do their job and 295 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:15,360 appreciate the work that they do. It's noticeably more difficult for some people in rural areas to 296 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:20,480 vote absentee either in person due to limited hours or through mail service whether it can get 297 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,200 there on time. So what would your recommendation be to voters where they may not be sure as we get 298 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,080 closer to the election whether what they should do with that ballot? Yeah go out and get your ballot 299 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:36,080 in because we know that the mail US mail is not what it used to be. I mean it's a number of years 300 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:42,400 ago that our US mail service has been in decline so make sure you figure out how you're going to 301 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:49,600 vote and remember at two weeks before the election you can go vote in person so that is an option 302 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,800 also. It is one of the places where the cities have a big advantage over rural areas where they 303 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:02,640 have a staff of people that they can be open almost 24 hours if they choose to. That's just not the 304 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,000 case where you go to some of these small towns where the clerk is maybe only in there a couple 305 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,280 days a week so it is a real challenge in the rural areas and I would just urge everybody make 306 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:18,080 plan how you're going to vote and we want you to vote in this election. Do you have complete 307 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,280 confidence that our elections in Wisconsin are free and fair and legitimate? I believe that our 308 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,880 elections are going to be done in that fashion I mean it should be easy to vote but hard to cheat. 309 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,800 Now there's been a couple instances you look at Madison they had city of Madison had to fire 310 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,240 their clerk two years ago because she failed to count 197 ballots. Green Bay has had a problem 311 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:44,560 two elections in a row with their clerk. I mean we have to be vigilant also but I just know the 312 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:52,160 hundreds of clerks across the state of Wisconsin they do the very best job that they can. So as 313 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,480 Governor would you end some of these lawsuits that the state is currently filed with the Trump 314 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:02,160 administration or is that would strictly be at the discretion of the attorney general? For example 315 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,640 the attorney general's filed more join more than 60 multi-state lawsuits against Trump 316 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,600 administration rules and regulations. Would you have any authority as governor to get Wisconsin 317 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,880 out of any of those lawsuits? So I'm always going to do what's best for the state of Wisconsin 318 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,240 if I believe a suit needs to be filed and it's in the best interest of Wisconsin then I will do 319 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:28,240 that but I'm hoping that that's not what we're going to have to do. Let's go to work once I get 320 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,640 elected on November 3rd. We're going to do our transition over the next couple months and we're 321 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,520 going to be ready on day one and I think that's one of the big differences between me and my opponent 322 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,880 also. I'm going to be prepared. I mean I've served as a town board supervisor at the very 323 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,360 the most local level of government served in the legislature and now in Congress. 324 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,680 Owned our own business for 20 years. I have some of the experience that is going to be able to 325 00:24:54,480 --> 00:25:00,720 get us going on day one to make Wisconsin more affordable and make state government more accountable 326 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,440 to the people. We've seen governor Evers has at times had an antagonistic relationship with 327 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,320 the Trump administration. Do you think Wisconsin overall would be better off given your relationship 328 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,160 with the Trump administration? Would we be treated differently in any way? Well we're going to get 329 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,840 some good things done because for example we have the non-attainment zone in southeastern Wisconsin 330 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:26,000 which is costing us jobs down there and also making it very expensive for example like 331 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,440 vehicle emissions testing. That a non-attainment zone is in place because we're being penalized 332 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,240 for Chicago's pollution that blows up to southeastern Wisconsin. I'm going to sit down and talk to 333 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,520 the EPA secretary Lee Zeldin. I worked with him when I was in Congress when he was a member of 334 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,960 Congress and we're going to sit down and try to get to a better solution that doesn't penalize 335 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:53,520 Wisconsin. Always looking out for Wisconsin first. When you voted for Wisconsin's current abortion 336 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,600 law and you've made it clear that you support the current regulations that are in place but in 337 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,760 Congress you also supported a bill that would have reduced the limitations to six weeks. 338 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,360 What would you do as governor if a Republican legislature put a shorter term on abortion in 339 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:12,400 front of your desk? So there's been all types of proposals that have been introduced over the years. 340 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:18,240 I stand by my vote 10 years ago. 10 years ago when I was in the state senate I voted for the five 341 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,720 month bill. As you said it is now the law in the state of Wisconsin. I will uphold that law here. 342 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:31,920 You've also talked about audit reviews and regulation checks in Wisconsin. Would those be similar to 343 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,360 Doge and what we saw happen at the federal level and some of those seem to have gone beyond some 344 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,960 of what they were intended to do in terms of programs that would be cut or what assurances 345 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,600 can you give Wisconsinites that it would only be fraud or misplaced spending that would be eliminated 346 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,080 in Wisconsin. No we're going to do it our own way. I've seen how they've done it but I've also seen 347 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,120 how it can be done in Wisconsin. In fact I'm hearing from people within state agencies at this point 348 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:01,360 we have some ideas for you to take a look at to be able to root out that fraud but you take a look 349 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:08,480 at the example of Minnesota nine billion dollars in counting and I asked governor Evers to cooperate 350 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:15,440 with the federal government in regards to food stamps and he's chosen not to do that he believes 351 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,320 there's very little fraud but we don't know that unless you actually check it out. I mean look at 352 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,520 one of those agencies new cap up in Green Bay for northeastern Wisconsin supposed to deliver 353 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:32,720 services for those who are less well off. They're broke now because of not being run properly. 354 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,400 We need to make sure that we do this one to protect taxpayers but more importantly is to 355 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,920 to be able to deliver services for those who are less fortunate those are who are disabled 356 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,560 perhaps somebody that's hit a rough patch in life and we choose as generous people in Wisconsin 357 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:54,960 to help them out. Let's make sure that those resources are there so that we can be the helpful 358 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,560 people that we always are. If elected there could be an interesting parallel and that in 2010 359 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,760 Republicans came into power after eight years with the Democratic governor 360 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,440 basically vetoing most of the Republican proposals and there was a huge amount of bills that came 361 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,640 in and were passed under governor Scott Walker. Would you expect to see a similar flurry of 362 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,800 immediate legislation if you become governor with the Republican legislature? I mean there'll 363 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,520 certainly be legislation that will come forward. I mean we will start from day one to implement 364 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:29,040 these things. First of all we will I'll call a special session to end the 400 year property 365 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:35,440 tax increase. We will establish the audits to make sure that we were rooting out the waste and 366 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:41,760 fraud. I mean we will do those things immediately to make sure that we follow through in our agenda 367 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,480 affordability and accountability and then I mean I think about other things we'll probably do 368 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,640 something in regards to housing immediately. There's a variety of housing programs that are 369 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:57,040 oftentimes geared towards renting in state programs. I think we should take more of those programs 370 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:03,520 and gear them towards home ownership. Let's help young people make that next step to home ownership. 371 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:10,800 We're going to have a robust agenda that we will roll out steadily whether it's like 2011 or not. 372 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,200 I don't know we're going to do it our own way. All right Congressman Tiffany thanks for your time. 373 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:21,120 Good to join you Zach. All right we're good. Thank you so much for your time I appreciate you.