WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:01.000 Okay. 00:01.000 --> 00:03.200 Well, Attorney General Call, thanks for your time today. 00:03.200 --> 00:04.200 Thanks for having me. 00:04.200 --> 00:08.420 So, I think let's start with kind of the precursor to this race, is your decision to 00:08.420 --> 00:09.420 stay in this race. 00:09.420 --> 00:12.140 There was a lot of speculation you might run for governor. 00:12.140 --> 00:15.200 How do you feel about your decision to stay in the race for Attorney General now? 00:15.200 --> 00:16.400 I have to agree about my decision. 00:16.400 --> 00:20.480 It's something I thought about seriously, but, you know, there are a few factors that 00:20.480 --> 00:21.480 weighed on my mind. 00:21.480 --> 00:25.320 One is, I'm really committed to having an impact through the work that I do, and of 00:25.320 --> 00:29.160 course, a governor can have a ton of impact, but we're also having a huge impact through 00:29.160 --> 00:33.160 the work that we do at Wisconsin DOJ, and I don't think that the work that I've been 00:33.160 --> 00:34.800 doing is done yet. 00:34.800 --> 00:39.400 You know, family considerations played a role as well, but ultimately, I'm really excited 00:39.400 --> 00:43.720 about seeking an additional term and about the work we could do in an additional term. 00:43.720 --> 00:47.000 So this is unique in that it is a rematch of the last election. 00:47.000 --> 00:48.760 We don't see that too often. 00:48.760 --> 00:50.640 How do you think that will influence things? 00:50.640 --> 00:53.320 One of the things that's interesting about a rematch is you can look back at what the 00:53.320 --> 00:57.560 candidates said in the prior race and see how those things held up, and I think that that's 00:57.560 --> 00:59.360 really instructive here. 00:59.360 --> 01:03.720 In the last campaign, it was shortly after Roe v. Wade had been overturned. 01:03.720 --> 01:09.320 I had filed a lawsuit seeking to block enforcement of a law that dates back to the mid-1800s. 01:09.320 --> 01:11.720 Eric Tony, my opponent, had attacked me for that case. 01:11.720 --> 01:14.240 He called it a partisan stunt. 01:14.240 --> 01:20.520 He said it should be dismissed, and so we now can look and see how our claims held up, 01:20.520 --> 01:25.040 and what we know now is that the Supreme Court sided with the argument we made in that case, 01:25.040 --> 01:30.200 and ultimately we won that case and access to abortion is safe and legal in Wisconsin. 01:30.200 --> 01:34.120 So will voters separate the Attorney General's race, do you think, from the rest of the ballot? 01:34.120 --> 01:38.000 Because we've seen historically, there's usually a few fewer voters for the AG race than for 01:38.000 --> 01:40.240 governor, and you've trailed right belong. 01:40.240 --> 01:45.480 We get to go back to 2006 the last time they were AG and governor from separate parties. 01:45.480 --> 01:46.960 So how does that all work together? 01:46.960 --> 01:51.200 The results tend to be fairly close, but in Wisconsin we have a lot of close elections, 01:51.200 --> 01:55.560 and so sometimes those small differences can make a big difference in the outcome. 01:55.560 --> 02:00.520 But I'm running based on my record and my time as AG, and the focus can be different. 02:00.520 --> 02:04.600 My top priority as Attorney General has been public safety, and we've made significant 02:04.600 --> 02:07.720 progress on really important public safety issues. 02:07.720 --> 02:10.200 One of them is fighting the opioid epidemic. 02:10.200 --> 02:15.200 My administration has helped to secure over 800 million dollars from companies that we've 02:15.200 --> 02:18.840 alleged contributed to the opioid epidemic and from others. 02:18.840 --> 02:23.200 Many of those dollars will be going to communities across the state, some already have, and we 02:23.200 --> 02:25.120 are seeing a real impact. 02:25.120 --> 02:31.280 Opioid overdose deaths in Wisconsin from 23 to 24 dropped by over 40%, that's a more 02:31.280 --> 02:32.440 than 600% difference. 02:32.440 --> 02:36.760 We need to keep making progress, our work isn't done, but I want to build on the progress 02:36.760 --> 02:37.760 we're making. 02:37.760 --> 02:44.000 Kind of along those lines, how do you view the overall election atmosphere, both in Wisconsin 02:44.000 --> 02:47.640 and obviously the national atmosphere, which plays out in voters' minds? 02:48.000 --> 02:51.640 Well, certainly in an AG's race, public safety is always important. 02:51.640 --> 02:55.600 But there are also other issues, I think, that are top of mind for people, like affordability. 02:55.600 --> 02:59.480 There's a major concern that a lot of folks have about being able to pay the bills. 02:59.480 --> 03:04.600 And one reason the AG's race is important is we address issues that relate to that. 03:04.600 --> 03:09.240 So one thing I think is critical is we have an AG who's not afraid to stand up to corporate 03:09.240 --> 03:13.880 special interests, and when companies break our antitrust laws to seek to hold them accountable. 03:13.880 --> 03:14.880 And we've done that. 03:14.920 --> 03:16.600 We stood up to take it master. 03:16.600 --> 03:21.440 We worked to hold pharmaceutical companies, drug companies accountable for their role 03:21.440 --> 03:24.920 in allegedly conspiring to inflate prices. 03:24.920 --> 03:29.280 And we worked to hold John Deere accountable and to help ensure that farmers are able 03:29.280 --> 03:34.960 to repair their own farm equipment or take that equipment to independent repair shops. 03:34.960 --> 03:38.400 One of the other high-profile things your office has done is filed lawsuits against 03:38.400 --> 03:42.920 the Trump administration, along with other attorneys general from around the country. 03:42.920 --> 03:46.360 Can you give me maybe a short list of some of the most important cases that maybe the 03:46.360 --> 03:48.840 public isn't aware of the significance of some of those? 03:48.840 --> 03:51.200 Well, I think you can look at them by category. 03:51.200 --> 03:55.600 So a lot of these cases involve the Trump administration either putting illegal conditions 03:55.600 --> 04:01.120 on or cutting or freezing funding that would otherwise be coming to Wisconsin. 04:01.120 --> 04:04.040 There's a huge amount of money that has been impacted by this. 04:04.040 --> 04:08.080 And it's vital programs, things like funding for education or for mental health programs 04:08.080 --> 04:12.880 in our schools, funding for disaster relief and mitigation, funding for the AmeriCorps 04:12.920 --> 04:17.200 program, which the Trump administration tried to cut, transportation funding and public 04:17.200 --> 04:18.320 health funding. 04:18.320 --> 04:21.920 We have consistently fought back and we have one case after case. 04:21.920 --> 04:26.040 And what that has meant is that those funds either are not illegally conditioned or they're 04:26.040 --> 04:31.560 not frozen or ultimately cut and instead they can come to our communities and support critical 04:31.560 --> 04:32.560 programs in Wisconsin. 04:32.560 --> 04:34.200 Now, I know we've spoken. 04:34.200 --> 04:37.640 There are some of those cases where if only if you're a plaintiff, do you actually get 04:37.640 --> 04:38.640 the benefit? 04:38.640 --> 04:41.920 And in some cases, some of the other states have gotten the benefits just because you've 04:41.960 --> 04:46.840 won overall, what would the impact have been if Eric Tony had been the Attorney General 04:46.840 --> 04:49.480 and had discretion on whether to file these cases? 04:49.480 --> 04:50.480 Yeah. 04:50.480 --> 04:54.280 Well, of the 60 plus cases that we've been involved in, I don't think any single Republican 04:54.280 --> 04:58.320 AG has joined us in challenging the Trump administration in any of those cases. 04:58.320 --> 05:01.680 And I'm not aware of a single case where Eric Tony has said he would have challenged the 05:01.680 --> 05:03.080 Trump administration. 05:03.080 --> 05:08.160 What that would mean in some cases is Wisconsin wouldn't get the relief that happens in court 05:08.200 --> 05:12.400 because in a number of these cases, it's only the states that have brought the challenge 05:12.400 --> 05:13.400 that get the relief. 05:13.400 --> 05:18.320 And so it could be that we no longer have protection for critical programs if an AG is 05:18.320 --> 05:20.200 not part of one of those challenges. 05:20.200 --> 05:22.680 Do you think the public understands the stakes there? 05:22.680 --> 05:23.840 I think the stakes are huge. 05:23.840 --> 05:26.040 And so I think the more we talk about it, the better. 05:26.040 --> 05:29.760 One thing that is unfortunate, I think, in the Trump administration is we often see the 05:29.760 --> 05:33.760 president's actions get lots of coverage that's understandable. 05:33.760 --> 05:37.920 But what I think there's been less coverage of is the fact that in case after case, actions 05:37.960 --> 05:41.600 have been blocked and he's been stopped for moving forward, in part because of these 05:41.600 --> 05:43.200 suits that we're talking about. 05:43.200 --> 05:47.000 So I want to talk a little bit about election integrity and the role of the Department of 05:47.000 --> 05:53.440 Justice in Wisconsin, not only at the statewide level, but in dealing with attempts from the 05:53.440 --> 05:55.880 federal government to try and claim voter data. 05:55.880 --> 06:00.720 So what is the role of your office in making sure elections are secure here? 06:00.720 --> 06:01.720 Our role is simple. 06:01.720 --> 06:05.560 It's to protect the will of the voters and uphold the Constitution and the law. 06:05.560 --> 06:08.920 And we have done that in a variety of ways during my time in office. 06:08.920 --> 06:13.920 In 2020, Donald Trump and his allies tried to overturn the results of our election. 06:13.920 --> 06:18.320 We defended the results and we won in every single one of those cases. 06:18.320 --> 06:23.040 Right now, the president, through an executive order, is attempting to change the way that 06:23.040 --> 06:24.120 mail-in voting works. 06:24.120 --> 06:27.000 He's trying to assert federal control over voting. 06:27.000 --> 06:28.840 We are part of the challenge against that. 06:28.840 --> 06:32.360 And that case is still making its way through the court system. 06:32.360 --> 06:36.280 The federal government is trying to get private, confidential information about voters 06:36.280 --> 06:37.280 in Wisconsin. 06:37.280 --> 06:40.760 It's just one of the many ways they're trying to get confidential data. 06:40.760 --> 06:42.320 And we have fought back against them. 06:42.320 --> 06:46.320 We have won as has every other state that has challenged what they're doing because they 06:46.320 --> 06:47.840 are violating the law. 06:47.840 --> 06:49.200 We are right in the law. 06:49.200 --> 06:51.680 And so we're going to stand up for the rule of law. 06:51.680 --> 06:55.200 In some of those circumstances, there could have been outside plaintiffs to take the place 06:55.200 --> 06:58.080 if there had been a Republican AG who declined to join the case. 06:58.080 --> 07:01.640 But what's the different student having the Wisconsin Department of Justice part of this 07:01.720 --> 07:05.400 case or filing the challenge versus an outside group? 07:05.400 --> 07:09.680 Well, in some states, the states have actually, I believe, provided their voter data to the 07:09.680 --> 07:10.680 Trump administration. 07:10.680 --> 07:16.360 What that means is that people's private information is being turned over to the federal government. 07:16.360 --> 07:18.640 That puts it more at risk of disclosure. 07:18.640 --> 07:22.600 It also opens up the possibility that some third party that the federal government allows 07:22.600 --> 07:25.320 to access that data potentially could. 07:25.320 --> 07:31.480 We all remember Doge was at the federal government and going through lots of records last year. 07:31.480 --> 07:35.160 So this is about protecting the best interests of the people of our state. 07:35.160 --> 07:39.240 What I think is fundamental and a big difference between a Democratic AG in this office and 07:39.240 --> 07:43.920 a Republican AG is are we going to stand up for the rights of the people of our state? 07:43.920 --> 07:46.720 Are we standing up for the interests of the people of the state? 07:46.720 --> 07:50.760 Or are we just going to cave to the Trump administration on issue after issue? 07:50.760 --> 07:54.760 The fact of the matter is, Eric Tony would not stand up to the Trump administration the 07:54.760 --> 07:55.760 way I have. 07:55.760 --> 07:56.760 It wouldn't even be close. 07:56.760 --> 08:00.640 And it's critical to protect our state's interests, the interests of our communities. 08:00.640 --> 08:03.600 And ultimately the interests of Wisconsinites that we have somebody there who's going to 08:03.600 --> 08:07.600 stand up for the Constitution and the law and not roll over for Donald Trump. 08:07.600 --> 08:12.560 Flash forward to 2028, another close presidential election in theory in Wisconsin. 08:12.560 --> 08:17.200 If those results are challenged either due to election conspiracies or legitimate questions, 08:17.200 --> 08:20.880 what's the difference between you in office versus your opponent in office at that time? 08:20.880 --> 08:24.320 It certainly depends on the circumstances, but we're going to uphold the law. 08:24.320 --> 08:27.920 What a big difference I think you can see between what Eric Tony has done over the years 08:27.920 --> 08:32.480 and what I've done is I have consistently stood up for the law and the Constitution 08:32.480 --> 08:33.600 and defended the results. 08:33.600 --> 08:37.480 He has supported efforts to fan the flames of these attacks on our elections. 08:37.480 --> 08:42.800 So he supported Michael Gableman's investigation into the 2020 election, which went so poorly 08:42.800 --> 08:47.160 that Robin Voss who launched it ultimately called Michael Gableman an embarrassment to 08:47.160 --> 08:48.640 the state of Wisconsin. 08:48.640 --> 08:52.360 I'm not aware of Eric Tony to this day having disavowed that investigation. 08:52.360 --> 08:56.800 He called for members of our election commission to be removed from office, which also I think 08:56.800 --> 09:02.160 is another effort to sort of pander to the extremists on this issue. 09:02.160 --> 09:05.040 I have been clear that our elections are safe and secure. 09:05.040 --> 09:09.280 As I said, we defended the results in 2020 and I was clear in 2024 that we would defend 09:09.280 --> 09:11.080 the results no matter who won. 09:11.080 --> 09:15.280 Now it turned out Donald Trump won that election and there was no challenge in Wisconsin to 09:15.280 --> 09:19.120 the results because the fact of the matter is people know that our elections are free 09:19.120 --> 09:22.600 and fair and that the results reflect the will of the voters. 09:22.600 --> 09:26.680 What do you make of the fact that Republicans are out there including Eric Tony telling 09:26.680 --> 09:30.960 people to vote by absentee at the same time supporting federal measures that would drastically 09:30.960 --> 09:34.800 restrict or calling absentee voters potentially fraudulent? 09:34.800 --> 09:39.040 Yeah, well the reality is that the systems of voting that we have in place work really 09:39.040 --> 09:41.440 well, our system is safe and secure. 09:41.440 --> 09:45.600 It is important for people to know that one of the unfortunate effects of the Trump administration 09:45.600 --> 09:50.320 has just been an undermining of how the US Postal Service has been working, how effectively 09:50.320 --> 09:51.400 it's been working. 09:51.400 --> 09:54.120 And so mail does seem to be slower now than it used to be. 09:54.120 --> 09:58.760 So it's important if people do vote by mail that they get those ballots in early. 09:58.760 --> 10:03.280 But it's fundamentally important for people to know that our system is safe, secure, free 10:03.280 --> 10:04.280 and fair. 10:04.280 --> 10:07.360 For a lot of people that don't follow your office very closely, one of the ways that 10:07.360 --> 10:11.960 they hear about the Department of Justice in the A.G. every four years is crime lab statistics. 10:11.960 --> 10:15.960 Obviously that's one of the major things you campaigned on when you first got elected. 10:15.960 --> 10:18.040 It was one of the issues in the last election. 10:18.040 --> 10:22.640 Your opponent's talking about the crime lab and unfilled positions and slow turned around. 10:22.640 --> 10:24.840 So defend your record and where the crime lab is. 10:24.840 --> 10:27.240 Yeah, well first I think it's important to separate two things out. 10:27.240 --> 10:32.600 One is, one of the issues I talked about back in 2018 was untested sexual assault kits. 10:32.600 --> 10:37.160 And we worked to get legislation passed, which ultimately passed through the Republican led 10:37.160 --> 10:42.400 legislature that's going to help ensure that Wisconsin never has another backlog of untested 10:42.400 --> 10:43.960 sexual assault kits. 10:43.960 --> 10:48.200 Now in terms of the labs themselves on a day to day basis, one of the things I've been 10:48.200 --> 10:51.720 clear about is where we need resources from the state legislature. 10:51.720 --> 10:55.920 And in the last state budget, my office requested 19 additional positions for the 10:55.920 --> 10:56.920 labs. 10:56.920 --> 11:00.960 Eric Tony's allies in the state legislature provided zero positions. 11:00.960 --> 11:02.440 And look, that's not an accident. 11:02.440 --> 11:05.000 This is politics being played here. 11:05.000 --> 11:08.280 But the overall picture I think is important not to lose sight of. 11:08.280 --> 11:13.160 Wisconsin last year in 2025 had the lowest number of violent crimes that we have had 11:13.160 --> 11:15.480 any year since 2011. 11:15.480 --> 11:20.040 Fondelac County, where Eric Tony is DA last year, had the second highest number of violent 11:20.040 --> 11:22.560 crimes that the county has had in decades. 11:22.560 --> 11:27.040 And so if you compare our track records overall, there's a clear difference. 11:27.040 --> 11:30.200 We need to keep doing what we're doing to keep our communities safe. 11:30.200 --> 11:35.640 How do you think the DOJ gets credit for lower crime statistics statewide? 11:35.640 --> 11:39.520 Well, there are lots of folks who play a role in what we do statewide. 11:39.520 --> 11:44.120 And the Department of Justice is involved in investigating crimes of statewide importance. 11:44.120 --> 11:45.360 We oversee the crime labs. 11:45.360 --> 11:48.640 We work on every felony criminal appeal in the state. 11:48.640 --> 11:52.520 We also work in partnerships with lots of other law enforcement agencies. 11:52.520 --> 11:57.520 What I think is important is that we recognize that lots of folks contribute to overall safety 11:57.520 --> 11:58.520 in the state. 11:58.520 --> 12:01.720 And that certainly includes local law enforcement and others. 12:01.720 --> 12:05.360 What's notable, I think, though, is Fondelac County has gone the opposite direction from 12:05.360 --> 12:08.760 the rest of the state under the leadership of Eric Tony. 12:08.760 --> 12:12.760 That I think is not the kind of failure I want to see taken statewide. 12:12.760 --> 12:16.520 The DOJ oversees issues related to officer-involved shootings. 12:16.520 --> 12:20.320 There was one in Madison that gained a pretty high profile recently. 12:20.320 --> 12:25.000 And your opponent was taking selfies, walking down through the protest zone, claiming that 12:25.000 --> 12:28.040 it was your job to come in and bust up the protest zone. 12:28.040 --> 12:32.560 How do you react to him trying to bring you into the middle of that? 12:32.560 --> 12:37.160 Investigating officer-involved shootings is one of the solemn responsibilities that often 12:37.160 --> 12:41.600 falls on our Division of Criminal Investigation at the Department of Investigation. 12:41.600 --> 12:45.480 Under state law, when there's an officer-involved death, there needs to be an outside agency 12:45.480 --> 12:48.560 that leads that investigation and that's often DCI. 12:48.560 --> 12:53.640 I think it is of fundamental importance that the public knows that DCI is taking that responsibility 12:53.640 --> 12:59.120 seriously isn't playing politics with that responsibility and is conducting the investigation 12:59.120 --> 13:01.560 in a manner that is objective and fair. 13:01.560 --> 13:06.400 That's how you ensure that there is public confidence in the outcome of the investigation 13:06.400 --> 13:08.680 and ultimately the prosecution decision. 13:08.680 --> 13:13.560 So I think having an AG who is weighing in on lots of political issues that stem from 13:13.600 --> 13:18.800 that kind of incident is reckless because it would potentially undermine public confidence 13:18.800 --> 13:20.920 in the objectivity of what's being done. 13:20.920 --> 13:25.240 So I think it's critical that our AG stays focused on the solemn responsibility at hand 13:25.240 --> 13:28.320 and doesn't try to play politics with side issues that arise from that. 13:28.320 --> 13:29.720 Did you have any conversations? 13:29.720 --> 13:35.000 You or your staff with local officials about when or how to clear out the protesters? 13:35.000 --> 13:37.920 I can't speak to what staff conversations had. 13:37.920 --> 13:41.040 Our focus is on conducting the officer-involved investigation. 13:41.040 --> 13:44.920 We are always available to local law enforcement and agencies around the state know that if 13:44.920 --> 13:50.120 there is a role for DOJ or a Division of Criminal Investigation to play, agencies throughout 13:50.120 --> 13:54.320 Wisconsin know that they can reach out and if there is a citizen that can be provided 13:54.320 --> 13:56.080 that we're there to help. 13:56.080 --> 14:00.720 What are the topics that start to dominate the gubernatorial election over data centers? 14:00.720 --> 14:02.800 Is that slipping into your race at all? 14:02.800 --> 14:06.960 Does the Department of Justice have any impact over the data center debate? 14:06.960 --> 14:11.560 It's possible that we could if there were to be an environmental violation, for example, 14:11.560 --> 14:16.200 but where I really think DOJ is going to be important is if there's legislation that's 14:16.200 --> 14:17.200 passed. 14:17.200 --> 14:21.360 I know that in the last legislative session, Senator Jody Hatterson had proposed some 14:21.360 --> 14:24.040 legislation regarding data centers. 14:24.040 --> 14:27.400 The Republican majority ultimately didn't pass that legislation. 14:27.400 --> 14:31.440 But I think there's a real possibility in a new legislative session you could see guardrails 14:31.440 --> 14:32.440 put in place. 14:32.440 --> 14:36.920 I would like to see further protections for the environment, protections for rate payers. 14:36.920 --> 14:42.360 And I guarantee that there is going to be public information provided as well as making sure 14:42.360 --> 14:45.320 that we've got strong labor conditions in place. 14:45.320 --> 14:50.200 Then you could potentially have DOJ involved in a more direct enforcement role. 14:50.200 --> 14:53.800 I think it's critical that we've got somebody like me with a track record of standing up 14:53.800 --> 14:58.800 to special interests and not somebody who we can't count on to stand up to special interests. 14:58.800 --> 15:04.320 Secretary Toni took $10,000 this year in campaign contributions from the Koch PAC. 15:04.320 --> 15:06.920 We need somebody who we can rely on to stand up for us. 15:06.920 --> 15:10.920 You brought up abortion earlier, but I want to bring that back as a topic. 15:10.920 --> 15:12.560 How relevant is that still to voters? 15:12.560 --> 15:17.000 Because it's not a constitutional right in either the nation or in Wisconsin, despite 15:17.000 --> 15:19.200 lawsuits that have attempted to make it so. 15:19.200 --> 15:22.080 So how important is it who the next attorney general is? 15:22.080 --> 15:23.080 It remains to be seen. 15:23.080 --> 15:26.840 One thing we saw, I think over the last four years, is it certainly can have an impact 15:26.840 --> 15:31.560 because my administration was fighting to protect access to safe and legal abortion, 15:31.560 --> 15:36.120 and Eric Toni called the case that we brought up a farce among other things. 15:36.120 --> 15:40.640 Now, fortunately, we've got a ruling in place that currently protects access to safe and 15:40.640 --> 15:45.000 legal abortion in Wisconsin, but as you said, there's no state constitutional protection 15:45.000 --> 15:46.000 in place right now. 15:46.000 --> 15:50.600 There's no federal constitutional protection specifically for abortion access, and what 15:50.600 --> 15:55.120 that means is that if there were a Tom Tiffany in a Republican legislature, you could have 15:55.120 --> 15:58.840 further restrictions put in place, and you could see an attorney general, Eric Toni, 15:58.840 --> 16:03.960 if he were in office, aggressively working with them to restrict access to abortion. 16:03.960 --> 16:07.760 The other thing that's going on right now is the federal government is potentially going 16:07.760 --> 16:08.760 to restrict access. 16:08.760 --> 16:14.560 The new attorney general had a meeting with an anti-abortion group where he signaled that 16:14.560 --> 16:18.400 he wanted to restrict access, and I think making sure that the states are prepared to 16:18.400 --> 16:22.320 fight back where there's a legal basis for doing so is going to be important to protecting 16:22.320 --> 16:23.760 people's rights going forward. 16:24.160 --> 16:26.400 And finally, I want to talk about the Wisconsin Supreme Court. 16:26.400 --> 16:30.880 There's now a five to liberal majority, quite a shift from when you first came into office. 16:30.880 --> 16:32.880 Does that change how you bring a case? 16:32.880 --> 16:37.400 I mean, are you thinking of individual justices or do you persuade them as you prepare for 16:37.400 --> 16:38.400 oral arguments? 16:38.400 --> 16:42.760 It can, and the reason I say that is part of what you factor into the decision about how 16:42.760 --> 16:48.080 to use your resources is what the likely outcome is going to be, and as the philosophy of the 16:48.080 --> 16:53.160 justices changes, that might impact what a likely outcome may be in a case. 16:53.160 --> 16:58.720 That being said, the vast majority of what we're doing at DOJ is defending actions taken 16:58.720 --> 17:01.760 by state actors or defending state law. 17:01.760 --> 17:07.560 So in most cases, it doesn't have much of an impact, but it could on cases where it might 17:07.560 --> 17:11.880 be that conservative justices are likely to rule differently from how more progressive 17:11.880 --> 17:12.880 justices might rule. 17:12.880 --> 17:13.880 All right. 17:13.880 --> 17:14.880 Josh, call. 17:14.880 --> 17:15.880 Thanks for your time. 17:15.880 --> 17:16.880 Thanks for having me. 17:16.880 --> 17:17.880 All right. 17:17.880 --> 17:18.880 That was great. 17:18.880 --> 17:19.880 Thank you. 17:19.880 --> 17:20.880 Thank you.