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Just out of seniority here.

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You've been slimmer too.

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I'm really proud.

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Appreciate it.

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So I guess that, I mean, read 36.

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That was called.

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That's got to be pretty rough for conservatives.

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One by?

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It's perfect.

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It's so different.

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I don't know.

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Although the timing you just said that I think was almost exactly

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the time they called my recall election for me,

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because it's funny how things change over time.

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You know, in that case, we had a pretty level playing field.

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I think really since 2018, you've seen a huge financial

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advantage for liberal king.

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It's somewhat driven, obviously, from nationwide opposition

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to President Trump.

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Very much drives donors, big and small like on the left.

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As concerned as going forward, particularly in these

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spring judicial elections, we've got to figure out a way

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to log in players.

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Any ideas how you do it?

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I think it's going to be a combination of things.

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I think part of it is just making the case why voters

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should turn out in the fall as they did last year for the

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president.

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You need to understand that many of the things that they

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care about in those elections are as important of now or so

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when it comes to the judicial.

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Looking forward now, we're past the Wisconsin State Supreme

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What are your thoughts on the fall for Republicans and the

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potential to flip the majority for Democrats in the

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Assembly and the State Senate?

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I think it's certainly a warning sign, not insurmountable,

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but historically, when Barack Obama was in, we had a whole

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wave of Republicans elected here in across the country.

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Republican in the White House, you should kind of see a

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similar trend for Democrats.

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To counter that, it's really two things.

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Level the playing field so you get an equal echo chamber, if you

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will, a chance to get your message out just as much as the

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opposition and focus exclusive land issues that matter to people

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which is overwhelmingly affordability.

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You know, people want to know more than just about anything

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else.

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I'm not going to pay the bills.

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I'm not going to fill up the grocery cart.

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I'm not going to fill up my gas.

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I'm going to pay for my housing, whether it's rental or

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mortgage.

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Those are the things that someone like Tom Tiffany focuses on

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that and whomever he ends up running against, I think he'll

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do well.

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What do you think about the chances of the Senate for

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being a majority in Democrats?

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Again, it'll be a challenge.

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You've got the three key races, three to four key races.

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You've got a couple of incumbents that chose not to run.

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That always makes it incredibly more competitive.

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Again, good cans.

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I just saw one of them today.

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I live here in Waukesha County.

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That's part of his district.

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And he was working, so I was impressed to see him even before

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I took my mother to the polls this morning, even though his

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election is until next November.

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So a lot of hard work knocking on doors, raising resources and

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honing in on a message that connects to voters.

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Governor, the majority of these polls will go 5-2.

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maybe 7-0.

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What is the practical reality of those?

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Is that mean for those guys?

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We've seen maps.

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We've seen all the JFCs.

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That's exactly right.

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some balance, particularly on the court.

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for either party one way or the other.

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was some opportunities where it would go.

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Justice might swim one way or the other.

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tough to imagine.

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I hope we've warned about this, but I hope at least some of

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those justices regardless of what the political beliefs are,

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will ultimately say the role of a judge or a justice is to

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hold the Constitution and the rule of law, not to make the law,

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and that the focus would be on the fall actually, after both

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the state legislature and the governor's reason.

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What do you expect to work with the governor to race this fall?

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Well, I think it'll be incredibly competitive.

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I mean, the last 36 years we've had an all-but-one election.

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The party in the White House has been the opposite to the

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party who wins the governor's ship.

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I think the governor, Evers, not running, opens up the field.

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Supreme Court releases, which is money, the only race in the

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last 36 years where it went against those odds was four years

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ago when the governor, Evers, defied the odds and won that

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election.

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I think that was because of the financial advantage.

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opened, that was what I won in the White Open race 15 years ago.

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I think Tom Tiffany can do a good job making the case that

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he's the right candidate, the right message at the right time,

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but it's not going to be easy.

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No, you know, a lot of people speculate and say,

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oh, you want the most radical one.

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I think in the end, if you look at this primary, it's hard to

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tell who the most radical is.

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One, keep stepping further and further away from the others.

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I compare this primary and say Jim DeWill wouldn't win in

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the primary now because that party is going so far to the

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left.

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lost before, but I don't think there's anyone in particular.

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focus on getting their message out.

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I'm pointing out that the entire field of Democrats are

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incredibly radical when out of touch with where I think

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mainstream swing and definitive voters are at let alone where

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Republicans might be and make that contrast now before we get

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to the September and post primary.

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A lot has changed since you've been in office, technology,

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social media, all that has really exploded.

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What kind of impact does all of that have on elections these

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days?

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And do you see a problem with official intelligence?

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Well, yeah, I mean, I think one of the problems behind just

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elections is just in general.

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You guys see it in the media.

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We see society is how many times people believe things that

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are fake, not just political statements.

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I saw the other day some image that claimed to be the pilot

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that was rescued when it wasn't.

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And there were incredible elected officials posting it.

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And so I think it's a good reminder that my kids are adults now,

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but I told them for years, multiple sources, everything you do,

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not just the media, but a wife.

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I told them that when they were in school.

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I think for voters, for all of us, when it comes to AI and social

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media, that's even more important.

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Even when things cite that you share the values, don't just pick

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one and stick with it, find multiple places to verify your

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That's going to be more important than ever before.

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Now, having said that, I think the idea that we saw years ago

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with Facebook and now with other platforms and having free

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it open dialogue where people are relying on just one source to

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get their information.

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It's a good thing.

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It makes a competitive world.

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But with more competition means we've got to be more competitive

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and we've got to be more careful consumers of information.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good to see you again.

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Pleasure.