Can we just test your mic a little bit, just want to...
How many languages can you come to 10 in?
Only two?
Okay.
I had a guy rattle up, like, four different languages.
Oh, no, no. I'm not that impressive. I can only do two.
Okay. Okay.
All right. So the thing that caught my eye when you spoke to the Wisconsin Delegations,
you were talking about the rally that Ronald O'Hara said and the airport hangers,
and then Donald Trump's reaction.
We're doing a story about the increase in AI and manipulation
and conspiracy theories and how it's all kind of coming together.
So how does Trump's response to these large crowds and his needs
and make them think kind of play into that whole theme of people
not sure what they can believe?
Well, let me level say it. I'm a software developer by training.
I was a two-engineer at University of Michigan and used to write code for a living.
So a little bit about technology, but I also know a lot about people who lie
and Donald Trump was so insecure about that crowd side
that he had to find a way to try to delegitimize it.
And so by playing on the fears of people and saying it was artificial intelligence,
you think that's all he knows how to do is play on people's fears.
I think it's really exploited and dangerous, frankly.
I spoke with that round.
I spoke to all 15,000 of those people. They are real.
And I think it really just shows that his intelligence is artificial.
What he is incapable of doing is actually seeing real people.
And to then prey on people's anxieties about the present and future
and what technology means, I think it frankly represents how irresponsible he is.
Not only with technology, but I don't want that kind of person to be in charge
of how we regulate technology in the United States or in the world.
So I think it just shows yet again why he's unfit for office.
We've seen that his supporters really can't be reached in a lot of these discussions,
but what about the people that are susceptible to manipulation?
There was an Annenberg School presentation that said it was seniors
and some of those people that are most likely to be susceptible.
How do you counter program or get out ahead of something like this?
Well, we have to build relationships.
Trust is what can overcome lies and disinformation and misinformation.
And helping people realize that if you see something from only one source,
you should probably try to find another one.
Another practice I would suggest people to do is the more you want something
to be true, the more you must verify that truth.
Be willing to not just let your confirmation bias determine when you stop researching something.
I think those can help people navigate it.
And everyone can learn how to do that in this video environment.
Where should people turn to for their media sources?
Because we've seen as more and more the legacy media,
if you have lost influence or viewers or even trust in a lot of cases,
there's new places popping up from both the left and the right.
I get mailers at home, your constituents probably do too,
from right-leaning and left-leaning newspapers that are portraying to be independent.
But what should people be looking for?
Again, never trust a single source.
So I think people should work to find multiple sources to verify and understand something.
And again, the more you want something to be true, the more you have to scrutinize those sources.
And I think if people do those two things, they'll find,
as a piece of media outlet is new, does not mean it's untrustworthy.
We have to build a relationship with that medium so that you can understand this credibility.
You said from your background knowledge,
is there anything that people can do to bulletproof a picture or a video
to make it clear that it's not going to make a difference?
That kind of technology is under-researctioned development
about trying to watermark images or stamp videos in a way so that you can verify their authenticity.
They're a human generated.
We passed laws in Michigan, for example, that require the labeling
of the use of artificial intelligence and political advertising,
whether it's in print or digital or on television commercials.
And so I think you're seeing more legislation that got popping up at the state level around the country.
But the truth is, you know, I just want people to be willing to scrutinize what they see
and don't believe in other than the first ones.
So you were there for some of those very first rallies
when Kyle O'Harris and the crowds kind of materialized
where people weren't sure what that would look like.
Has it only grown since then or what are you seeing on the ground here?
Everyone gets bigger.
I'm so excited that this will be another rally point to show how much support
Vice President Harris and Governor Walz have because so many people are coming
because so many people see themselves in a future with Vice President Harris
and Governor Walz at the helm.
They include everyone, whereas Trump invents their whole platform is exclusion.
Who can we exclude?
Who can we disinvite from the party?
Who can we not have a vision for in the future?
But, you know, the Vice President and the Governor have a different vision
and that's why so many people are proud to be part of it.
They want to be here for history.
They want to say they want to look at their kids and grandkids years later and say,
I was there.
I participated.
I helped make this happen.
I helped a lot of the American people.
Donald Trump built his legitimacy eight years ago
off the sides of the crowds.
He can generate him the attention he came with it.
Is it how different are the crowds that are being built around the Harris campaign
from the early crowds that generate around the Trump campaign?
Well, I never been to a Trump rally, so I can't speak it up from first-person experience,
but I think the biggest difference between the crowds that I've observed,
our crowds are diverse.
Our crowds look like America.
We have people from all shapes, sizes, stripes, backgrounds, accents, our president
and those audiences because all of these people see themselves as part of the American story,
the American future.
They have a Governor in 10 Walz that be the Vice President.
The Vice President, Kamala Harris to be the next President who believes that they have a right
to access to a dream of health and wealth.
And I think that inclusive and exciting energy is what draws people in.
Anything else you'd like to add?
I want everybody to vote with this cusp.
And I want everybody to vote for it to make sure that they recognize their place
and the importance and the primacy of their voice.
When we have turned out, we can get to 2008 turn out levels in Wisconsin
and my home state of Michigan, that's how we're going to win.
Thank you for your time.
Appreciate you stopping by.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
So much.
Good to see you all.
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See you all.
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