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The Wisconsin Supreme Court race is coming up, and polling shows a majority of you say

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you don't know enough about the candidates.

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Let's fix that.

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This is Inside Wisconsin Politics.

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I'm Sean Johnson here with my colleagues, Zach Schultz and Rich Kramer.

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Hey, guys.

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Hello.

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Hey.

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So this is not something we're just making up here.

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There has been polling on this race, and the leading vote-getter in that poll was a majority

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of people saying they don't know who they're going to support.

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That is so different than in 2023 and 2025 when we in Wisconsin were the super bowls

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of election for our Supreme Court races.

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So Zach, what is the difference this year?

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The simple difference is this isn't for the majority.

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The liberals will have a four-person majority for the next session, no matter what.

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If Chris Taylor wins, it goes to 5-2.

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If Mariel is our wins, it stays at 4-3.

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But that simply is the difference between $100 million in campaign and the attention of

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the world on this very important swing state, and of course, decisions on election laws

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versus a snooze fest, even in the state for people that normally tune in for these elections

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are still trying to figure out, oh, when is that coming up?

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And that's not hyperbole either.

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That $100 million was a real number from last election when we shattered the 2023 record,

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not just for Wisconsin, but for national judicial races.

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Rich, the 2025 race was the first one you'd covered really closely.

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What was a day in life like on that one, and how does it compare to what you've observed

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in this Supreme Court race?

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I mean, it's like night and day.

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I covered former Republican Attorney General Brad Schimmel spent a day with him on the

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campaign trail, and first off the bat, he took money directly from the Republican Party

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of Wisconsin.

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Also, I was at a campaign event at the Republican Party in La Crosse where Brad Schimmel framed

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the race as a fight between good and evil.

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And he also used an analogy of driving the serpent out of the Garden of Eden.

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So the language used by Schimmel is very different than what we've seen from Judge Lazar.

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She's promoting that she is the independent candidate compared to Chris Taylor, who she

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attacks as being an activist and former Democratic lawmaker.

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But she just hasn't made the same kind of statements that I've heard that Schimmel did

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last year.

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It's almost like an old-fashioned Supreme Court race in Wisconsin, Zach.

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It harkens back to a day where things weren't as heated, that your TV wasn't filled with

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ads nonstop in the lead-up to it, where you really did have to pay attention to learn

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who these people were.

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Now, it's still Republican Democrat.

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They may use the label's conservative liberal, but Chris Taylor is a former legislative Democrat

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but now independent judge.

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But her connections to the Wisconsin Democratic Party run deep, Lazar's connections to Republican

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Party covered go deep.

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I've attended multiple events with her, which she's been speaking at GOP rallies with the

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next speaker's Eric Tony running for attorney general.

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So it's not like either of these are running down independent lanes.

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They're still following that traditional, the new path.

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If you want to become on the Supreme Court, you keep the political parties at an arm's

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length in your name, but you take all the money under the table, you take all their

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effort for grassroots because that really matters when it comes to getting people out

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to vote.

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Those turnout operations, those dollar operations, still belong to the parties.

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There is no independent structure for anyone to remain independent and actually win a campaign.

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So let's talk about the candidates here.

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Let's start with Chris Taylor.

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She got into the race first.

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But what should people know about Chris Taylor's background and what led her to this point?

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Well, the clearest thing is she had worked for abortion rights groups before she became

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a member of the legislature.

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She ran as a Democrat and assembly race in the Dane County area.

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I cover that race way back when she was here through a lot of the tumultuous times in the

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Capitol and then she left.

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She was appointed a Dane County judge by Governor Evers.

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And she ran for the appellate court and became a judge there, which is what she's doing today.

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So she has followed the judicial pattern, but she's got heavy partisan activity in her

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background.

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And she doesn't deny that, but like every judge or justice, she won't be the first one.

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I mean, former Justice Prosser served as the assembly speaker for Republicans and back

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in a day when they could say, well, I'm a conservative justice, not a conservative politician.

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With Chris Taylor in this modern environment, I don't know if it really matters because

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the candidates are so tied to the parties anyway that her background doesn't seem to

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have any baggage.

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And we saw with Brad Schimmels, Rich, as you were talking about last year, he's a former

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Republican Attorney General for Wisconsin, and he did not shy away from those Republican

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connections.

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But you see a difference with Lazar and how she's handled herself.

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Oh, sorry, yeah, exactly.

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So Lazar has been focusing on her career in the courtroom.

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She's been a lawyer since 1989.

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She worked for the Department of Justice under former Republican Attorney General J.B.

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Van Hollen.

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And that was in the early years of Republican control of state government.

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So after 2011, when a lot of laws were passed, that wound up in court.

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That's tried to sue to stop the voting maps passed by Republicans, abortion restrictions,

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and Act 10.

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So Maria Lazar, as an assistant DOJ attorney, was representing the state and defending

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those.

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And she was elected to the Waukesha County Circuit Court, but that was both of her races

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there were unopposed.

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And then in 2022, she became a judge on the Second District Court of Appeals.

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But to your point, yes, she's leaning on her experience in the courtroom, but also her

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political ads kind of let you know where she stands on certain things, or at least where

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her campaign does.

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So there's plenty of signals out there.

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You know, some of these candidates, when they run for Supreme Court, they come from

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the law.

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And maybe you're hearing about them for the first time or getting introduced to them

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for the first time.

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But you know, Chris Taylor and Maria Lazar, as you've all mentioned, have been around

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for a little while.

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I remember Maria Lazar defending Republican-drawn legislative maps in 2012, alongside co-counsel

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Dan Kelly, who former Supreme Court Justice and who ran in a couple of races in loss.

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I remember Chris Taylor very well for her role in the minority on the legislature's

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budget committee, where if you have that position, you are expected to be able to talk and defend

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every position and attack the majority's position aggressively.

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And so she did that well.

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She wasn't just a backbencher legislator.

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She was the person who was on that front line of attack.

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And you know, since she's become a judge, that's changed.

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And she has indicated and her friends have indicated, look, she knows this is a different

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role on the court.

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But it is striking a very big change for her to go from that attack, attack, attack,

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democratic legislator to a judge going to cease things differently.

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You mentioned those ads, Rich, from Maria Lazar.

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She is trying to go for this kind of above-it-all judge.

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I don't want to get into politics.

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The ads, they tell a different story, though.

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I mean, she's definitely not going that way with her campaign.

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Yeah, the ads have focused on basically attacking Taylor on things like abortion.

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Lazar's campaign adds, say, that Taylor wants abortion up to the moment of birth, which

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is a line you've heard a lot of Republicans say over the years.

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And the latest one that I think just came out this week.

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There's a woman saying that she's afraid of her daughter having to compete against

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biological men in school sports, which Republican themes pulled right from congressional races

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and state assembly races, governor races, hitting the points that work for them.

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Yeah, so the ad lays out the political part of it.

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And then you've got a picture of Lazar saying that she'll uphold the law.

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So it seems like she's still trying to walk that line, but the ads do send a cycle.

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Well, so let me let me ask you.

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So we've seen low turnout elections in the past.

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And that was at a time when conservatives really want a lot of these races, when there

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was lower turnout, when their consistent voters from the suburbs of Milwaukee came out to

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vote no matter what.

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And the liberal candidates really struggled to get the attention that they needed to win

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these races.

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And then we saw things flip from Rebecca Dallot on in 2018.

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So what do you see as the impact of less attention right now on this race?

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I think we'll find out what a less attention race means here.

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I think though, in the era of Donald Trump for one, you know, since Donald Trump realigned

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the Republican Party and its base of voters, a base that reliably elected conservative

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justices for many years up until, you know, around 2017, we don't know what that shift

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is going to mean in a lower turnout election.

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But we know that conservatives start out at kind of a structural disadvantage in these

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races.

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And we also know that liberals have just found a pattern for what it takes to run, talk about

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their values.

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They're not afraid to talk about cases that have happened.

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They're not afraid to talk about women's health.

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And it's just been a winning formula for them in, you know, really since 2018 with one exception

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in 2019, that has been the liberal path to victory year in and year out.

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So there have been a couple cases that you have asked both candidates about.

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We actually got to hear them.

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You gave them a chance anyway to weigh in on some very high profile races that came before

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the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

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Let's look at those if we can.

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There was one about the 2020 election, which we will be talking about forever as reporters

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I think.

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And this was a, there were a lot of challenges to the election results and to Joe Biden's

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victory in Wisconsin that came before the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

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What did you ask the candidates?

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So the, the case that was ultimately decided that election in Wisconsin was called Trump

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V.

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Biden.

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And it was brought by Trump's lawyers, one of which is Jim Troopis, who is currently

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being prosecuted in Dane County Court for forgery related to the false electors thing tied

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in around the same time period.

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It's a very small world in law.

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And especially in political lawyers times.

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But yes, that case when all the way to the Supreme Court and the question was the Trump

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administration or the Trump campaign wanted to throw 200,000 votes in Wisconsin, specifically

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in Dane and Milwaukee counties regarding absentee ballots.

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And the question before the Supreme Court was, should they even take the case?

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So the question was standing in the legal sense of did Donald Trump and his campaign

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have a legal right to even file a lawsuit in the first place?

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Ultimately, it was a four, three decision.

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This is at a time when conservatives controlled the court, four to three, that said, no,

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we won't take the case.

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It was Brian Haggadorn, who ultimately sided with the three liberals to throw out the

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case that solidified the win, Biden won Wisconsin definitively, election conspiracies be damned.

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And it was the three conservatives who didn't necessarily say they would have thrown out

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the votes, but they said we should at least hear the case.

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When I asked both candidates about this, Chris Taylor was absolutely on the side of the

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liberal candidate saying, of course, they made the right decision and they never should

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have thrown out those votes, should have never gotten that far.

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It was Maria Lazar, who really didn't want to take a position on it, but she said the

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issue of standing is still going to come back before this court, which is true.

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And she won't even go the one step further, because I asked her point blank, like, there

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are people who are going to hear this answer and say, well, what about the 200,000 votes

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that we're going to get thrown out?

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And she said, well, I don't want to weigh in on that.

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I don't want to talk about that.

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And that was just a place she wasn't willing to go.

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And the Democratic Party and Taylor's campaign immediately jumped all over that saying she's

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still connected to election deniers and conspiracy and this whole issue.

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So the 2020 election will not go away.

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It's still present.

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And it's present in their answers, too.

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Yeah, Rich, that is two things can be true.

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That is a position that a lawyer can take that, look, this has to deal with standing.

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We're not going to get into it.

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Another thing that is undeniably true is that there are people in Maria Lazar's base or

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the conservative base who have strong feelings about the 2020 election.

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Yeah, they absolutely do.

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So in 2022, she was endorsed by people, she was attacked for being endorsed by people

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like Michael Gableman and also for associating with Troopis.

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Gableman is a former Supreme Court justice who led the 2020 election investigation that

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was kind of widely panned and also he was fired by Assembly Speaker Robin Vass who

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had hired him before.

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I mean, it was a whole thing.

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So she's still getting hit for even associating with those two people.

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But yeah, the standing issue, the other thing that comes to mind is we've heard the president,

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President Donald Trump say, well, all those cases, they never looked at the cases.

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They just found these technicalities and they tossed them out.

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That's not true.

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There was plenty of cases that were dismissed on the merits, lack of evidence, et cetera.

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But it just kind of reminded me of that when I heard that answer from Lazar.

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And I've seen that same answer from a lot of people who do believe that the 2020 election

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was stolen.

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And Zach, I feel like we can't talk about a court race in Wisconsin these days without

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talking about the issue of abortion.

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That's another one where you asked the candidates about their positions.

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What was your question and how did they handle that?

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Specifically, the question was how would they have decided if they had been on the court

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when call versus Ermansky was brought before the court?

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To be clear, that was the case that looked to throw out the 1849 abortion ban from Wisconsin.

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That was the attorney general suing Suboigen.

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That wasn't the point.

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It was that was what the case was called for three.

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The liberal majority throughout that law said it was annulled essentially by laws passed

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after that, specifically one by Scott Walker and the Republicans.

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And Chris Taylor said it was absolutely the correct decision.

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Maria Lazar once again didn't say how she would have voted, but she kind of answered

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it in the end of her answer by saying, well, if I win, it'll still be a 4-3 court.

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So I wouldn't have changed the outcome of that case, which sounds a lot like her saying

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she would have decided with the conservatives on the case, which really shouldn't be all

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that shocking.

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Those are who her colleagues would be if she wins, and then another conservative wins,

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then she would be in the majority.

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And who knows?

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That is the question that Taylor and other people are saying was if the court flips again,

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will abortion rights come up before the court?

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I will say Lazar finished her answer by saying, however, she views that Supreme Court decision

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as final and that the abortion issue is settled as far as the courts are determined.

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Obviously, it's not settled when it comes to gubernatorial and legislative elections.

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So those will still play out, and we're going to be covering a lot of that coming up.

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But their answers kind of fell into the camps that you might expect them to, especially

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given their messaging and ads.

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And Rich, there was another finding in the Marquette poll that we recently covered that

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it's hard to say where people stand on the candidates when more than half of voters say

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they don't know.

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But what we did see, what you saw, there's a lot of tells in there about which side is

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more enthusiastic right now at this moment in time.

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Yeah, big time.

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There was a big disparity in terms of who's excited to vote in the April 7th election.

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So some numbers all run off here.

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People saying that they're certain to vote on April 7th, Democrats are up 18 points over

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Republicans, how important the election is to the outcome or how important is the election

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outcome to you.

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That was a 19 point spread in Democrats' favor as well.

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So there's all kinds of metrics and not to mention that President Trump had his lowest

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net negative approval rating in Marquette poll history.

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So those are all some headwinds for conservative candidates.

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Zach, I guess against that backdrop, what can Maria Lazar point to and say, I got a good

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chance nonetheless.

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The quick answer is she's relying on Hagadorn's race from 2019.

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Like her, he was another conservative candidate who was vastly outspent and written off towards

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the end of the race.

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People thought that he was not going to win.

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So much so that the liberal candidate at the time really took her foot off the pedal

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when it came to running through the finish line.

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Lazar directly points to that race and says that's the path to follow.

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That's get out the vote.

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That's grassroots advocacy.

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If we can't win on ads, we have to make sure our voters get to the polls, especially in

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a lower turnout election.

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Taylor said she's aware of it.

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She's going to run through the tape, not let enough the pedal at all.

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And she is running a different kind of race than the judge Newbauer who ran in that year's

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race, you know, ran.

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I mean, you mentioned it, taking her feet off the pedal.

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She ran more like a judge than a candidate, I guess, in that race.

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So we'll see how that plays out in the closing days.

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Thanks for joining us for this week's Inside Wisconsin Politics.

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Our colleague Anya VanWek and Nok will be back next week.

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Be sure to follow us on PBSWisconsin.org, WPR.org, YouTube, or wherever you get your

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podcasts.

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Are they going to be able to edit that together?

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I'm sure we'll be able to cut that out.

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So my question for future references is, was my cue to subtle?

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Because I tried, I said your name and then left it.

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So I don't think so because I was just too nervous.

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I didn't hear it.

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I was just waiting for Sean voice.

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And so he's saying he wasn't paying attention to me at all.

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Well, that's not what I'm admitting.

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You can infer what you like, but yeah, I got it.

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I was just so nervous.

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I was too in my head.

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I wasn't missing the conversation.

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No, that's not a big deal.

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It's more of for the future.

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And also, I don't know if this helps me at all because it's just almost more distracting.

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But I think it does work better when I'm tossing to you.

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It's not going to Sean every time or I take it from you and ask Sean a question.

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So I guess what I did this time is I said your name and then finished a sentence.

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What I can do in the first is say the sentence, say rich, like I can double, double tap rich.

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Like I shouldn't matter, man.

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I should be able to, you know, and then the rich, I can, I can make it.

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I can live a lot of life here.

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I should, you know, I should recognize my own name, you would think, but I'm.

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Well, probably not from my voice.

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And maybe at the end, it would be all right.

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Otherwise, I just vow to pay more attention and not be as nervous trying to get ready for

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my answer, but all right.

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Are we going to try the hoping again?

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Yeah, if we can.

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Might as well.

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We're all here.

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All right.

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It would probably, I would probably do a better job if you are able to just like flip

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it around so that I land on inside Wisconsin politics.

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Yeah, like you were there.

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Digital bank flips.

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I think the end of the show would probably benefit from you saying that's all we've got

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time for today.

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And then the close.

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Yeah.

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Just as another signal to the audience, otherwise it might feel abrupt, finish the sentence

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and then go to the close.

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You know what I mean?

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Just like that little.

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I did.

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But I maybe.

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No, did I not?

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I didn't know.

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I mean, I didn't hear anything.

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Wow.

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I said, thanks for joining us.

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Maybe that was it.

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Yeah.

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That's how Fred and I wrap most of our interviews, like we'll have to leave it there or that's

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all we have time for.

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And me, we're just out of time.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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It's just one of those, another one of those cues to the audience.

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That's good.

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Otherwise it can feel abrupt as that shift.

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Oh, yeah.

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You could do the Porky Pig thing.

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Could I see prompter?

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It's not.

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There we go.

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So we have not stopped recording.

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They're just getting their stuff together back in control.

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We'll be ready to go very soon.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Look down.

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Good job.

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Audio folks.

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Can you hear me?

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So I've got my mic up and I've got the headphones up to be able to hear them because the feed

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was a little quiet.

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But I'm hearing some noise, man.

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I'm hearing like a hum from lights and some kind of blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Is that not coming through on your end?

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Sounds good, and I'll just say, okay, well, I mean, I just felt terrible after the fact

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last week when you guys said there was some issues.

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But if you're not hearing it, then it's all right.

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Weird.

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Well, yeah, what's strange is it gets louder when I turn direct monitor off, so I don't

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know what the deal is.

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Anyway, it doesn't matter.

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Hopefully.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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The Wisconsin Supreme Court race is coming up and polling shows the majority of you say,

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you don't know enough about the candidates.

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Let's fix that.

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I'm Sean Johnson here with my colleagues, Zach Schultz and Rich Kramer.

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This is Inside Wisconsin Politics.

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Hey, guys.

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Hello.

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Hey.

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Hey, Rich Kramer.

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Hello, TV.

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Yeah.

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Just trying to imagine how we would jump in.

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I'll actually ask a pretend question afterward.

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The Wisconsin Supreme Court race is coming up and polling shows a majority of you say,

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you don't know enough about the candidates.

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Let's fix that.

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I'm Sean Johnson here with my colleagues, Zach Schultz and Rich Kramer.

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This is Inside Wisconsin Politics.

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Hey, guys.

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Hello.

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Hey.

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So the 2022 and 2025 elections were really big, Zach, and this one's not as big.

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What happened?

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Because there was no election in 2022.

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2023.

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Good.

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You're trying to catch me there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I lived through that.

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That's protoste, what's how to say your name.

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Oh, gosh.

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Okay.

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We're going to take a look at some light stuff.

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Do you need us here for that?

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Let's see how pretty we can make you outlook.

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Good luck.

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The tweet's working for you.

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Okay, John.

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The corduroy.

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I think it's corduroy.

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No, this is the first thing we're going to try.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, I mean, it's in my earbuds.

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It sounds like some kind of an interference from a light because it here's like, it sounds

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like a motorboat far away, kind of like a, like a kind of he's talking about motorboat.

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I think he's talking to audio, Zach, motorboat in son of a bitch.

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I would love to put together a blooper reel of rich statements.

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Oh, man.

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The stuff that comes out of his business.

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We'll get, we'll get ended.

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Oh, God.

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The more comfortable he gets to the better material you're going to get.

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It started with him going, oh, what?

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I'm glad he didn't curse.

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He could have gone, oh, shit.

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He could.

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I'm assuming you will cut that out.

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Yes.

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He could have made a note.

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We also souped you incorrectly at first.

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That was on you?

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I think so.

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Poor on you.

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He looks them on you.

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If you want, I mean, you see how Zach put his off to the side.

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Yeah.

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Like.

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Could do something like that.

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Well, oops.

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We can have the audio people.

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No, I.

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Help us.

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I should have known that.

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I'll be right back.

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I never speak directly until Mike leaked that.

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I get up here and I forget how to think.

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Hmm.

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I thought that was.

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I thought that was.

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You didn't say me what Elon Musk.

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That was Rich's job.

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It was crazy.

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Just straight up handing people money.

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That kid still has that as his banner.

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I know.

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Rich asked him about it in an interview once and the kid was like.

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He just like wouldn't answer it at all.

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And then a week later he puts it up on Twitter.

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Thanks.

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I think we're going to use just FYI like the first five and a half minutes off the top

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right here and now.

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Oh.