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Good afternoon and welcome to
Chicago host city for the
National Convention.
This is a special presentation of
here in now's 2024 election
coverage.
We're coming to you live from
media row inside the United
Center in downtown Chicago.
I am senior political reporter
Zach Schultz and I am joined as
always by our two wonderful
panelists.
Scott Ross.
Thank you again for coming back.
We're in the home stretch.
You feel it?
We're almost there.
Let's start with last night
tonight.
We had the Obamas.
Which one was your home run
speech of the night Scott?
Well mine was former first lady
Michelle Obama's.
I absolutely adored her speech.
I was listening to it on my phone
and watching it.
I ended up like miles away from
where I thought I was going to
be because it was so inspiring.
You heard them and I think you
can almost hear the echoes of
that, the case that they
prosecuted against Donald Trump
last night.
You could see that it was that
thing with former first lady
which was when they go low,
we go high.
When they go low, she went for
the throat and in a way just
tore him to pieces.
His petty grievances, his
attacks on women just over and
over again.
It was an incredible moment for
as a democrat to hear somebody
truly who has had to endure so
much, who has had to endure so
much, really take him on.
What did you think of her line
about Donald Trump may not want
the presidency when he learns
it's one of those black jobs?
It was funny.
I think sometimes in politics
not enough people laugh and see
humor and things.
I agree with Scott.
I thought her was the strongest
speech of the night.
I think that comes with some
risk actually for Kamala Harris
because can she match up to
that?
There were a lot of democrats who
wanted Michelle Obama to sort of
fill the void when Biden was
pushed off the side.
She was strong last night.
As a republican, I'm glad that
she's not their nominee because
she brought it last night.
For me Zach, the surprise of the
night was Doug Emhoff.
In sort of a quirky, almost
dorky way, he was very
authentic and I thought he
connected with people and helped
humanize his wife, the nominee
for president.
For a guy who doesn't do this
for a living on Doug Emhoff,
did a pretty good job last night.
I 100% agree with Bill.
If you were looking for a tone
of somebody you were
auditioning to be the first
gentleman, that was the
speech and the self-deprecation.
It was very authentic.
That was the kind of thing he
did.
Again, that prelude to what the
Obama's, the case that they
prosecuted.
I thought it from start to finish
when Michelle Obama said most of
us will never, most of us will
never be afforded the grace of
failing forward.
Again, what Donald Trump has
done versus what we all, what
normal people face.
The fact that we will never
benefit from the affirmative
action of generational wealth
after all the republicans have
done with DEI and what they
claimed about the Obama's and
all that sort of thing.
That could not have been a
challenge.
Michelle Obama's speech writer
is, please, please, please teach
me your craft in case I ever
have to do that again.
She delivered it very, very well.
There was a little bit of
hypocrisy.
The Obama's today are not
who they were 16 years ago.
They were of modest meat 16
years ago.
They're multi-multi-multi-millionaires
with many 10 to 15 million
dollars.
They were all over the world.
The bootstrap was a little
thick for her.
Overall, she delivered the
speech of the night.
Having to follow her, and he
acknowledged it was a tough spot.
He went for Trump in a different
way talking about crowd size.
One of the things that Donald
Trump has hit on over and over
again, crowd size matters.
At the same time that the United
States formed in Milwaukee
for a Kamala Harris rally in the
same event, crowd size matters
in that way.
That hits Donald Trump right
where it hurts him.
I would say I'm going to give you
a good and a bad.
I thought Barack Obama was
very good last night was for
Joe Biden.
I think he did a better job
sort of setting the Biden legacy
than Biden did himself on
who mentioned him by name.
Yeah, he was one of the guys that
shipped them a few weeks ago, but
I think the exit last night
that was classy on Obama's
part.
As it relates to some of the
lines Biden or Obama delivered,
I didn't think it was his best
speech.
I've seen him give far better than
that.
I think last night he was trying to
get under Trump's skin.
I think it's a nothing burger at
least until the end of a campaign
and we shouldn't focus on that.
We ought to focus on issues that
matter to the people.
Barack Obama, here is a 78-year-old
billionaire who has not stopped
whining about his problems since
he rode down his golden escalator
nine years ago.
Again, you could not have
framed what independent voters
have a problem with Trump about
which is self-interest and
political.
Again, I would disagree with Bill
in the sense that I do think
that former President Obama delivered
the goods.
It's what the people there wanted.
It's a convention.
That place was roaring loud.
He stepped up for President
Biden, which I thought was
fantastic, but he really was
there to be the hammer.
Is it good for Kamala Harris that
there's a night off in between
the two sides?
I mean, the perfection of the
way that they have scheduled in
terms of building this to the
crescendo of her speech, I
think, is fantastic.
I would imagine they may have
toned down Tim Wall's speech
tonight because they do need a
day between the Obama's and her
just for comparison purposes, for
sure.
Talking about Tim Wall's is
there, but also Milwaukee
that's what's he going to be?
Again, he has been an
incredibly successful mayor so
far.
The RNC came to Milwaukee in
part because of his hard work.
Along with the county executive
David Crowley and support from
both Democrats and Republicans.
He showed that we put Milwaukee
on stage in Milwaukee delivered
the goods.
I love the fact that our state's
biggest city is doing the work
that we've seen in the city to
bring people in.
We've seen the mayor walking
around here talking to different
press.
I think it's phenomenal.
I think it's fabulous.
He isn't in a primetime slot.
We used to get pretty jazzed when
Tommy Thompson got national
events.
Does that in Evers?
When Tommy got national speaking
opportunities, it isn't as big a
deal as you might think unless
you're in the primetime slot.
I think that he's out representing
Milwaukee and trying to encourage
more people to come back.
In terms of Milwaukee honeymoon
with Republicans, will that last
into the next legislative session?
Will they still remember Milwaukee
with good thoughts when it comes to
the next budget?
I think it has a lot to do with
the people involved.
David Crowley and Cavalier Johnson
have established really strong
relationships assuming Republicans
have a lot to do.
The other big speech of the night
is Tim Walz.
Is he going to provide the
contrast with Vance or is he
there to be America's football
coach, America's not quite as
goofy as Doug Emhoff but his next
dad?
I think a lot of the latter.
I think on the campaign trail
individually in states, he's
introducing himself to America.
You can get away with more of the
things that are happening.
I'd hope he'd take it.
JD Vance has at least one shot
coming from the podium, I think.
We'll see how far it goes.
I think they're going to lean more
into the idea of America's
coach, what he did in Minnesota.
I'm not Laura Ingraham.
What he did in Minnesota.
Coming back to what the message
of the night is, which is
strengthening democracy, protecting
abortion rights or restoring
abortion rights.
He has the chance not just to get
by but to really succeed.
I think that's what you're going to
hear tonight from all of them.
What are you expecting?
Listen, Walz is struggling.
We call him the great embellisher
on our side.
He's struggled with his facts
about his own resume, including
oddly enough, saying his children
were conceived through IVF when
they weren't.
His wife said they weren't.
I think that's what he did in
Michigan's no question.
We think there's an opportunity
to show that there's an extremely
liberal ticket in contrast to the
Trump Vance ticket.
I don't think the whole
coach thing is going to work
quite as well as Democrats do on
the western side of the state.
This is a guy who blew through
an 18 billion dollar surplus and
raised taxes and another 10
billion on top of it.
This is a guy who thinks the
law's the less they're going to
like him and I think there will
come a point in time where the
Harris campaign's going to say
maybe this wasn't the right guy.
When it comes to his record,
we've already seen the attempt
to swift vote his military service,
how much does he have to set the
record straight or to clear up
what he said about whether he
was in a combat zone versus how
others may have referred to him
when he didn't correct them in
that moment.
I think it's a great selection
in the swing states like Wisconsin.
They know that he served 24 years.
That's all that they need to know.
All this other stuff is window
dressing.
I understand the Republicans
trying to make an issue.
They did it with the swift boats
20 years ago.
It was atrocious and outrageous
and it took John Kerry 30 days to
respond to it.
Tim Walz took care of it on day
one.
It's done.
I think four voters who are going
to decide this election.
It's red meat for the
Republicans.
It's nothing for swing voters.
It's nothing for the Democratic
voters.
It's nothing for the Republican
voters.
And I think when it comes to
Tim Walz's record, it's been
one of the most successful
governors democratic or
Republican.
He's cut taxes in all of his
budgets.
I think seniors get a $1,300
tax break all of it.
He did raise taxes on the
wealthiest people.
People like Donald Trump.
Those are the people that should
be paying into the shared
services in which we all pay
to support the things that make
make them able to do the business that they do.
Or Scott and I agree is on the service.
I gave him full credit for serving 24 years.
Anyone who serves in the military deserves our gratitude.
No question, full stop, where he struggles
and where we're gonna have an opportunity
is on the issue of trust.
He calls himself, and he allowed himself to be called
the Commeion Sergeant Major for 15 years.
He did not earn that title.
He did not complete the course work.
He retired as a major sergeant.
There's a big difference between those two things.
I don't think you can call yourself something
you did not earn, and let that stand for 15 years.
Now yesterday, the thing about his wife and IVF,
again, it gets to trust and credibility.
His record in Minnesota, I think, is right for the picking,
but his own credibility on things he has said himself,
even on this campaign, is what's gonna bite him.
So the first bigger.
Her name's literally Hope.
Their daughter's name is Hope,
because she was conceived through IVF
because they couldn't see.
It wasn't an IVF.
There's absolutely.
It was absolutely what it was.
This is just a place where we are just literally going
to disagree on what the terms of this debate are.
So when it comes to those kind of issues,
what is Bigger Red Meat for Republicans?
The actual policies that he has supported
and put his signature on versus semantic arguments
about things that a lot of voters really
don't want to dig down into.
Well, I think you're getting into the big subject here.
This whole convention is about Donald Trump,
and that's what Democrats want the election to be.
And if it is, they've got a chance of winning.
Donald Trump and JD Vance and the Republicans
need this convention to be about
the things voters care about.
Inflation, gas prices, mortgage, rent, electricity bills.
Those are the things that voters care about.
Immigration, open borders, a world on fire.
Those are the things that Republicans are gonna win on.
And by Friday, if we're back on those issues,
I like our chances.
All the things that Bill just mentioned
are things that the Democrats with Kamala Harris
and Joe Biden pushed forward to do things
about the investment recovery act,
the FBI inflation act.
They had a border deal that Donald Trump
was able to throttle.
You know?
And then the last,
but absolutely did James Langford,
one of the most conservative members of the U.S. Senate,
and it didn't pass the House.
Republicans went on fire since they don't kill the bill
that could have passed.
The Republicans stopped it.
He may have talked to some, no question about it,
but they didn't have 60 votes to pass in the Senate,
and it was never gonna pass the House.
So the notion that this somehow was gonna pass is false.
It absolutely, it was the Republicans who killed this thing.
And let's go back to the big issue, abortion.
Tim Walz signed into law the first reaction.
The most extreme abortion law in the country.
The first reaction to the Dobbs decision
that made women's second-class citizens,
he signed the bill that protected abortion rights
and will protect them forever in the state of Minnesota.
Absolutely not.
That is absolutely an average.
And the people who are forced to have abortions late
are not doing it by choice.
They are doing it because there is a safety of a mother.
The child has perished.
I mean, I watched with near tears in my eyes,
the women talking on the first night
about their experiences with it,
and we should respect that and be true about the facts
on this.
Women do not try and have abortions that late.
It is medically because of what they need to.
Walz is gonna be a net negative.
Anyone who walks around and says he's happy
to be called the big government liberal
is gonna struggle on a November ballot.
Let's dig into abortion just for another second,
because Hadley Duvall from the state of Kentucky
was on the stage, and she had a quote that said,
what is beautiful about a child
having to carry her parents' child?
She said she was raped by her stepfather at 12
and had to have an abortion.
Do stories like that, I mean, how worried are you
about stories like that penetrate
and becoming the conversation around abortion
when there are a lot of Republican states?
Donald Trump, that are outlawing on abortion is different
than the traditional Republican position.
But his position is not consistent at all,
and he still takes credit for overturning Roe v. Wade
and supports all the complete total abortion bans
around the country.
Which turned it back to the states.
It allowed every state to determine their own destiny
as it relates to the abortion issue.
But which part would you want Republicans
to try and win on?
Either some of these near total abortion bans
or a version of the bill that Tim Walz said.
Some of these near abortion bans like in Florida,
it's on the ballot in November.
We'll see how that turns out.
In red states like Kansas, voters rejected
the almost complete restriction on abortion.
So, you know, what you're seeing in Wisconsin,
what Trump has said is he supports
exceptions to rape, incest, life or the mother.
He also supports some ban, you know, 12 weeks
or some level like that.
But he doesn't support a national abortion ban.
And I think that's what Democrats are gonna try
and convince voters that if he gets elected,
he's gonna pass some national abortion ban.
Again, you need 60 votes to get through the Senate.
This Senate under any electoral scenario
is not gonna get to 60, no chance.
And then you got the House too.
When if the Senate is in Republican hands
after the selection in Donald Trump as the president
and the House, you know, is Republican,
there will be a nationwide abortion ban passed
because the filibuster will be gone.
And it will pass with the 50 votes or 51 votes or 50,
whatever Republicans have.
Let's be, let's be honest about that.
The second thing is, you know, again,
going back to Vice President J.D. Vance, you know,
has called exceptions for rape and incest inconveniences.
You know, he is the most extreme member of the U.S. Senate
when it comes to the issue of denying women
their right to reproductive freedom,
which is also economic freedom.
And the last thing I would say is this talking point
about like we sent it back to the States.
What if suddenly the Supreme Court said, okay,
businesses don't have First Amendment rights nationally now?
Just goes back to the States.
So depending on where you're at, you know,
if you're a citizen, you know how to be here,
a citizen, you know, I would not be here.
The Republicans would scream bloody murder,
and that's just like corporations spending money.
Rights are fundamental.
Women have the right to be first-class citizens,
along with men, and just because they can make babies
doesn't mean they should be second-class citizens.
And voters are going to reject Donald Trump
and Republicans up and down the ticket because of this.
Abortion is on the ballot, and they are on the wrong side.
Couple things.
Vance's position is now Trump's position.
That's on the position description.
If you sign up to be the Vice President,
you accept the positions of the presidential candidate.
That's just how it works.
Yeah, that's how hang Mike Pence happened, right?
So I would say Democrats need abortion
to be a bigger issue than it is.
It's currently number three on all national polls.
It's a little bit higher for Democrats,
but not for independents or Republicans.
It absolutely is at the tops for independent women.
Absolutely.
And again, those women in swing states like in Wisconsin
are going to decide this election,
and they've shown that they've been rejecting this.
I mean, post-dobs, Democrats keep winning state-wide elections,
and even a couple weeks ago when we had the constitutional amendments.
And constitutional amendments, 12 or 13 of them,
have passed over the last like decades.
So let's go back to one of the other big issues
you're talking about, which is the economy.
Yesterday, you previewed that there
would be a readjustment in the numbers.
Why don't you break the news to our audience?
So today, the Department of Labor
came out with revised numbers that show 818,000 fewer jobs
were created in the last 12 months,
including 115,000 fewer manufacturing jobs.
This is scandalous, in my opinion,
that the Department of Labor could get away
with putting out statistics that are so flawed,
they have to revise by that big of a number.
This is the biggest revision in 15 years.
They're constantly revised for seasonally adjusted and such.
I mean, we used to track them when during the George W. Bush years
is how they were enduring Scott Walker's years,
because he promised we were going at 250,000 jobs,
and he came woefully short.
And we always had to make sure that, OK, it was a seasonally
just, but the fact is we lost 3 million jobs under Trump.
We gained 15.2 million, OK?
I'll revolve.
Take your talking point.
The fact, 15.2 million under Kamala Harris and Joe Biden,
I think that's a net 12.2 million.
I think Democrats win on that win on that.
But what does that look like in terms of trend versus image
when we're talking about the optics of right before an election,
which is when it gets?
It's not a good trend for Democrats.
I mean, the economy still will be the number one issue
for voters 75 days from now.
There's no question about that.
But that's also personal economy, too.
It's pocketbook versus abroad.
If I didn't lose my job, do I worry as much about fewer net
jobs being created?
I begin and end every speech if I were Donald Trump and JD
Vance saying, are you better off today than you were four years
ago, I'd steal the old Ronald Reagan line, because I think
most voters would say, you know what?
No, I'm not.
You should switch to five years ago,
because then we get before the COVID argument.
You know, what I was going to say, for Wisconsin's sake,
I saw the Department of Workforce Development
release today, nine of 12 of the major metropolitan areas
in the state of Wisconsin.
The unemployment rate went down or stayed the same.
That's pretty good.
That's pretty good for a swing state like Wisconsin,
23 of the 34, you know, biggest cities.
You know, that's a good thing for Wisconsin.
And that's a good thing for Kamala Harris.
I think we're in a unique scenario here,
where the governor and I work for Tommy Thompson.
We always bragged about these economic numbers, too.
But voters felt it, right?
The difference is, or the disconnect,
is voters don't feel, if there are good numbers out there
on the economy, voters aren't feeling it.
And that's going to be reflected at the ballot box.
I think they've felt that their childcare was, you know,
they were having support with their childcare,
with internet broadband, you know,
I think that they felt that.
And now they're feeling that it's gone
because Republicans have stood in the way of helping people
because they want to get the White House
for 12 of the last 16 years.
It does not matter because there is an intractable
Republican majority that started when Barack Obama
took the oath on January 20, 2009,
that Republicans were going to say no to everything
in the midst of whatever crises there were.
We were in the midst of a near second great depression
and Republicans said, absolutely not.
We're not going to work with you because Mitch McConnell
said our idea is we want to make sure
that Barack Obama doesn't have a second term.
Well, he had a second term and you would argue
he had a third term with Joe Biden.
Oh, yeah, absolutely, Harris.
Yeah.
It did notice when you talked about the economic development,
you put Kamala Harris above Joe Biden at the top of the ticket,
is, I just, you know, it's somebody who's,
it's not on, it's not on.
He's on the beach again, who's towards the end of the alphabet.
I like to switch it up, the order of things once in a while.
So Harris is before Biden.
Biden always gets to be at the top alphabetically.
We'll see how much she mentions him tomorrow night.
She's trying to erase him from this campaign.
You don't think there'll be a thank you, Joe,
at the beginning?
She has been the right thing to do.
Through all the storm has been the most loyal soldier
that you possibly could be, which is why he came out
when people were saying, okay, is this going to be an open deal?
He's like, nope, this is my vice president.
This should be the next president.
And that ended it.
Yeah, and Democrats, the unity for Democrats
is in an all-time high.
So I want to look at the national picture
because the Center for Politics put out
their most recent crystal ball.
They move the state of North Carolina to toss up
that makes seven toss up states,
including three in the Midwest, the big blue wall
with Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
There are no lean states across the country in their eyes.
It's either you are solid red or solid blue
or you are a toss up.
What does that tell us about where this country is
in this election?
Well, a very wise person once said,
campaigns are about dividing people.
Break off 50% plus one.
Governance is supposed to be about bringing people together.
And when we have a new president in Kamala Harris,
a new vice president in Timmels,
they will make that effort.
That will happen.
It will be up to, you know, maybe the chastising
that America is going to give the Republicans
in this election will wake them up a little bit to it.
I don't know if the media ecosystem on the right
is going to allow to happen, but you know what?
Stranger things have happened and I want to always,
again, this is a campaign about joy and hope.
I'm going to hope for the best.
The one thing that will bring all seven of those states
in the Trump column is a great economic message.
I think we've seen since Kamala Harris
started to roll out her economic plan last Friday.
Her numbers have gone down both on polling
across the nation and on the betting markets.
I think people are saying, boy,
that's a lot more liberal than I thought she was.
And I think the more they get to know her
and what her economic plan is,
that's Donald Trump and JD Vance path
to get those seven states in the wind column.
But at same time span, there have been more
of these states moving to toss up.
And I'm okay with that.
I think it forces us to work harder in those states.
I don't want to take anything for granted.
I want to earn the White House.
I think that's the best way to ensure
that you can actually get things done and govern
once you're there.
So I don't have any problem with seven states
being in play right now, including Wisconsin.
I think we're going to see Donald Trump
at least four times in the next 75 days.
I think we're going to see JD Vance once a week
till this is over.
He already said he lives here.
But part of the reason that seven states are there
is because Kamala Harris has enjoyed a 14-point bump
with Latino voters.
Again, the great Democratic coalition
that helps Democrats win in national elections.
Black women are beyond joy
that finally someone like them is going to be reflected
in the presidency.
And that's why there's so much enthusiasm.
You hear it when that's referenced
during the conventions last night.
It is why Michelle Obama received such
an extraordinary reception last night.
And again, that's the coalition that helps put
Democrats over the top.
And again, I think it's a successful,
I think it's going to be a successful project.
All right, I want to switch to Wisconsin
and congressional districts.
We got through the third yesterday.
Yeah, it's a little messy as that race appears to be.
But there's two more that are at least worth mentioning.
Right.
We could start on the first where Brian Style
is an incumbent.
It's a solid red district or it has been.
But with the changes that are going on in the suburbs,
Democrats are looking at it.
Peter Barker is a former dumb member of Congress.
He's been longstanding politician.
Does, is he doing the work?
Because we haven't seen him down here.
We're not that far away.
Is he pounding the doors in Kenosha right now?
Well, if it's by any, if Peter Barker's work
is any is reflected in by his email communications,
the guy's working harder than anybody
because I get emails from him every single day.
He's obviously, you know, he was the fundraiser
for the assembly Democrats who did very well in fundraising
while even being in the minority under Scott Walker
and Robin Voss.
So he's definitely doing the work.
People know him there.
He's a good solid guy.
You know, I do think that for many, many years,
the first congressional district
has been kind of a shame for Democrats
because there hasn't been the going after.
You know, Paul Ryan had a free ride basically for 20 years.
Brian Stiles had a free ride for most of his,
most of his short undistinguished career.
And so, yeah, so I think Peter's going to do
very, very well in election day.
And that is a much more democratic seat
than some of the others.
It's a plus four Republican seat.
Stiles has won handily in each of his re-elections.
He has more than $4 million in the bank.
He's got speaker Mike Johnson coming to Lake Geneva
for an event for him on Monday night.
I think Brian Stiles, I don't believe
that seat's going to be competitive.
And I think Brian Stiles will handily win re-election.
Even today, speaking to the Wisconsin delegation,
Congressman Mark OKan, a pretty very liberal Democrat,
said Brian Stiles is a good guy.
He said he's like Jell-O in that he doesn't have much
of a flavor by himself, which I guess better
than his description of Van Orden.
But it does says something about how the staying power.
You talk about Paul Ryan, you talk about Brian Stiles.
Like they are solid middle of the ranks.
He's in every corner of the district.
He shows up.
He flips pancakes.
He, you know, pours beers or whatever it takes.
And people give him credit from that,
from Kenosha to Jamesville.
Brian Stiles is, you know, Paul Ryan's chauffeur.
And he's an errand boy for the extreme right wing.
And the corruption that's in the House Republicans.
I mean, this is a guy who is in charge
and could release the video of fellow Republican Derek Van
Orton attacking teenage pages in the Capitol.
He has refused to release the video of that.
When it happened to a Democrat, when a Democrat pulled
a fire alarm, that video was out in two weeks.
All right, let's move to the eighth.
It's an open seat, which is probably
the only reason we're talking about it.
And it's got a Trump-appointed Tony weed
that really no one knows.
Trump endorsed.
Yeah, sorry, Trump endorsed.
Which kind of gave him the appointment
in winning that primary.
But what do you think of Kristen Lierly?
What do you think of her chances
of making this a real race?
It is a real race because of Kristen Lierly.
This is a woman who travels to Minnesota
because of the abortion ban in Wisconsin
to assist women in accessing their reproductive freedoms.
She also does it in Arizona as well.
On Native American land.
This is a woman who is a doctor, who cares about the district,
and she outraced all three of the Republicans
who were running in the race.
You put abortion on the ballot.
She's somebody who can win.
The other thing is who came out?
Who came out of the primary?
The eighth congressional district for all the criticisms
I've made of Reed Rivel and Mike Gallagher
and even going back before that, there's
one thing that's tied all the members of Congress
from Green Bay and it's flipped back and forth.
It's the flippiest.
They've all been moderates every single one of them.
Is Tony we going to be able to run on that?
Or is he just the Trump brand?
Well, let's start with the numbers and the seat.
Now, I'll remind your viewers from yesterday
that congressional lines did not change.
They're the same as they were.
This is a plus 10 GOP seat.
Tony Reed is the heavy favorite in this seat for this reason.
Yeah, he got Trump's endorsement
and he ended up distinguishing or extinguishing
two pretty credible primary opponents
and state state Senator Andre Jacques
and former Senate president Roger Roth
who also was the nominee for Lieutenant Governor
just two years ago.
So beating those two guys was no small feat.
It took more than the Trump endorsement.
I think the appeal to him is he's literally an outsider.
And I think there's a lot of voters
who have said enough with politics.
Let's bring in some fresh blood.
And I think Tony Reed fits that bill.
All right, we have just a few seconds left.
How much does Harris need to win the state by
in order to pull Kristen Lierly across in the eighth?
Point and a half?
That's small.
What do you think?
She'd need to win it by four and that won't happen.
All right, we have more time tomorrow.
We have more to talk about.
Thank you both for being here.
Appreciate it.
Great to be here.
All right, we'll leave it there.
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