Oh, really?
I got excited.
I don't watch the news.
I think I was too hyper focused on everything.
No, yeah.
Okay.
Do you all feel good or you get to start?
Okay.
Perfect.
And so we'll try to do this as respectful to each other as we can, right?
So we'll try for like our ability to capture things, not interrupt folks.
But we all want to be listened to and we recognize that.
And I know you all will be great.
So we can just, as it comes in, feel free to jump in.
So before we get started with the rest of the questions, I guess our baseline question is,
have you ever watched here and now before?
Small clips.
Okay.
How long has it been around?
We just had our 20.
Yeah.
So at least 20 years.
We'll say that to be safe.
Yeah.
Then yeah.
That's some point maybe.
Okay.
Perfect.
What about PBS in general?
Do you all watch PBS in general?
Yeah.
I'm seeing nods.
PBS kids.
I love PBS kids.
Okay.
That's the best part.
I think so too.
That's just me.
Okay.
So we'll jump into the Spanish captions and if you notice me, like trying to be loud,
it's because I want to make sure that we're able to like capture it on here.
But now to jump into the Spanish captions.
Were you able to follow the Spanish language captions on the episode we just watched?
Not all the time really.
Okay.
Can we go one at a time?
What about work?
I feel like I did for the most part.
It was kind of like lag and then sometimes it'd go by quickly but I would like catch back
up and I feel like I would get the gist of the message that was spoken in English.
Okay.
I noticed the lag.
I think I started like counting.
So it was at least like 5 max, like 10 seconds where I would like catch up.
And I would say it would, there were points where it would be slow and then it would pick
up but then I'm like, oh I just missed the top line and now I'm like about to have the
next line switched up on me.
So then that's when I would lose like my sense of like what's going on within the show.
I also think, yeah, like it was just focusing on the captions the entire time was hard to
do when like the, what was happening in the background was like already so far ahead
and I'm like, oh, I know for sure it's not talking about that anymore because what I'm
reading is completely off from what it's showing.
Yeah.
Same thing.
It was a little fast.
Yeah.
So I'm like, what did I just read?
Yeah.
And some of the translation was like, what does that mean?
Some of the words being used.
What is that?
So then I'm like, did they, and because we understand what they're saying.
Yeah.
Like when did they talk about that in English or did they talk about that in English?
But yeah, it was a bit fast.
Yeah.
And the same for me.
It was a little bit fast.
I think there were parts where I could pick it up.
And also like using the pictures for context clues but then yeah, like then the Fitby crop
and then it's just, they'll talk about voting.
And I was like, what's going on?
Yeah.
So yeah, originally with what God had said and also, yeah, they had a lot of big words that
I don't think I, I used in my vocabulary when I speak in Spanish.
So I was like, okay, what does that mean in English?
I'm like, oh, yeah.
Yeah, very similar to what everyone else has said.
Sometimes when I'm watching, or like at the gym when there's TVs and you're watching captions,
I don't know this, that it does the same thing.
So like it's what I expected from captions.
I don't know how much it matters but sometimes like the pronouns are off.
So then if you don't understand English, I'm just wondering if Spanish speakers would catch
on but like if it was like a female person talking to like a male and all the pronouns are male
because they would like notice when the speaking has changed.
Or when they were talking about other people like Senator Warren, the caption was eight.
Senator Warren.
Yeah, because then they're just going with what?
Because you know, everything's gendered in Spanish.
Like the table, like la mesa.
Like so, yeah.
So that makes a lot of sense.
I'll hit on like two points that you all talked about.
I had the same issue when we first started doing this, the big words, right?
Because like, I'm a fluent Spanish speaker.
I love speaking Spanish.
I didn't know what gerrymandering was in Spanish.
So like I saw the word and I was like, I'm like, I've never voted in an election in Mexico.
So I didn't know what the terms were and that like threw me off a lot.
And then so what we're seeing on here when I want to hit the point on the delay caption.
So what we're seeing is what we're seeing in a broadcast, right?
So the AI takes the English and then it takes the English and converts into Spanish.
So first it recognizes a word, recognizes in English, brings it into Spanish, and that's
the delay.
It's a little bit longer than like the delay you're talking about the gym because like,
it doesn't have that latch junk to make.
So what they told us is that for when it goes up online, because all of our episodes go
up online or they join the Roku, that would be edited to take off the delay, right?
But in real time in a broadcast, that's what it's going to look like because essentially
it's like the machine working.
You know what I mean?
Which is the frustrating part.
Yeah.
It sounds like one of their challenges bringing out who was speaking because there were no
things like that.
Yeah.
I noticed too that there was a couple times when it switched speakers.
I noticed sometimes it had like the two arrows, but then at the beginning it didn't have
the arrows when it would switch back to the interviewer.
And so I felt like that was a little confusing in the subtitles, especially because it's
lagged, because then like, you know, it can get lost.
So this one we've kind of already touched on, but did the Spanish captions match what
you saw on screen?
In what way?
I guess what we mean is a little bit of what we touched on, which is kind of tough.
Like when we were talking about agriculture, like it was agriculture.
If you were clarifying, you wrote the question.
Right?
I think that's what we mean.
I think it's more about...
Number three.
Oh, just when the captions came up, were they kind of timed right?
Were they representative of what was happening on the screen?
Yeah.
It's firm note.
Yeah.
And you said you counted it.
Yeah.
I was trying to push you in there.
You do not have to be nice.
Like this is for the book.
No.
Okay.
But it was like a topic that would last for a couple minutes, then eventually like, you
know, it'd stay on the same topic after it was like translated, but for something that
was quick, you know, like...
The quick jumps were really tough too.
Yeah.
Okay.
Was the speed of the captions right for you?
It was fast.
I mean, they spoke fast in English.
And so...
They didn't actually speak to you.
Yeah.
But it's fast.
And I don't know if there's a way to determine the speed of it in terms of the reading level
for an individual, but like somebody that's a fifth grade reading level, if there's a
particular speed to that.
Because...
So where we can, if I'm getting this correctly, and if I got this correctly, Vicki, I'm sorry,
we would be able to adjust how quickly the captions come on screen once we get rid of
the delay.
You know, because that's what going in to edit it, that's the change that it makes.
So it's...
Because I'm thinking about what you all mentioned where it's like one sentence, but then it
takes longer to get to the second one.
And then it gives you the third one, like really quickly, really.
So that's something that could be adjusted kind of on that end, but not here.
I'm 99% sure.
Not for the live one, not for the live one.
Again, sorry Vicki, if I have this wrong, but I think...
I think we might be able to toggle it not massively.
I think we can slightly dial it back a little bit, but not to the pace that...
And not to the overall adjusted pace.
I think the one that is already slow would get slower.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I was thinking of it in two ways.
The delay with the topic they're speaking, and how that topic matches what is currently
on the screen, and then also just like it flipping through, because it only does two sections.
So I was just questioning to myself, what would it be more helpful, even though there is
a delay, if just like it popping on the screen, it's like not trying to constantly catch up.
Yeah.
Because at least then you could like finish the sentence, but I don't know if that would even
push it to be like such a big delay.
Yeah.
Later on.
Yeah.
I'm wondering if the format of the captions could be taken.
Tell me what you mean.
Yeah.
To be different than what we're normally used to, so that it's easier to read.
It's not just here.
Are you talking about longer?
Or longer, like...
I see what you mean.
Like making it longer, something like this, and it can kind of catch up rather than like
it getting short, and then the short, and then the next one.
So what I'm hearing is like screen coverage.
Yeah.
And bigger font.
And bigger font?
Or thicker font?
Or it could be further spaced, like for that too.
Like the letters themselves within a word, like I've like, I don't know.
Or we could add like a space between speakers, like if someone's saying something then a
little bit of a space, and then to like separate eyes.
And I think because that's normally, it's like, you know, you mentioned it's a little like
narrows at the beginning, the little, I don't know what they're grammatically called, but
those things.
Don't worry.
Or usually, yeah.
The indicators of a different speaker.
Yeah.
They were, how did you feel about them being here versus like, up here?
I like that a little bit.
You really thought it better?
Yeah.
Sometimes.
I know there was like a banner that came off, and then I was privileged to the banner,
and then I'd go back and then I just couldn't.
Yeah.
The lower thirds make it like harder or harder.
Yeah.
Okay.
So think about other Spanish language caption news programs in English that you watch on
television.
Are there any shows that you watch in a way that's kind of like similar to this?
Like captions?
Live with captions.
So like.
I mean, in English, caption is a Spanish.
I think.
No.
Okay.
I think we see the other way in Spanish caption into English.
I thought you were in an example.
Like if you do NPC 15 or whatever and they're interviewed in the Spanish speaking individual
of March, like May 1st March or whatever, and they're speaking or interviewing somebody,
that will be translated right into the captions.
So there's two types of captions, and I do not exist.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, go ahead.
So there's captions that pop up like this, and then there's something called burned in
captions, where it's like you can tell that somebody went in, type them, and they pop
up, something like that.
Do they look similar to these that kind of load, or do they look similar to burned in captions?
And the other one.
The first one?
Oh, burned in.
Okay.
That's kind of like how I was explaining, because this here and I was interesting, because
like I said, every week, Arizona Friday gets produced because it's when I use Wednesday
Thursday Friday, right?
So it's a different piece when it comes to that.
Okay, but that's good to know.
Is there any program?
Doesn't have to be news related.
That you watch in English with Spanish captions.
News program.
I want you to know any program.
Oh!
Any movie shows?
Yeah.
Maybe shows, any that you're like, that you would maybe watch like regularly?
Not that no, but sure.
Yeah.
But probably at the end of it, I was like, if he was on Netflix, I also like their font.
That was a font?
That's what I thought it was.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, this font is nice.
It just can be bigger and more.
So the reason I ask is because we try to like, study, right?
Like we want to see, if you give me an example where you're like, oh, it's in English with
Spanish captions that you're like, that's really good.
It's better for us if it's live, because then we're doing like a similar situation versus
like the birth and captions that I was telling you about.
What do the Olympic Games use?
Ooh!
Because I just thought about how like sometimes I would watch it when my mom would be in Spanish
and I could kind of understand that better.
The captions would be in Spanish?
Yeah.
But I don't know if it would be...
Someone sometimes don't.
Do you see other would be live?
I don't know.
Yeah.
Because I don't know.
Maybe so.
I was just like watching it like something.
Maybe so.
It was more fun.
But I guess I haven't turned on like an NBC to see like if the sap is available in Spanish.
Because like, this is the same program that Apple uses for something like that.
Okay.
Or like the one on YouTube.
The one on YouTube kind of sucks a little bit too though.
Yeah.
That's good to know.
The one on YouTube.
It does kind of suck.
Yeah.
It has a lot of errands.
Yeah.
Because when it's live, sometimes it gets like I think one of the first because it gets smarter
too.
That's a scary thing, right?
Like it gets smarter.
It like figures things out.
Because like one time you found out from somebody that like a similar software translated Turkey
into like Turkey, the country into battle as opposed to like the country, right?
So like nuance is not something that it picks up on sometimes.
Yeah.
Oh, I noticed like someone's last name was Paris and they changed it to British.
British.
Oh yeah.
I kind of love that though.
Yeah.
Wait.
Yeah.
Wait.
I was just a female.
It doesn't get misinformation to people.
No, no, no.
That's what it means.
Like I can't.
I don't like it but I like it.
Yeah.
It's cute.
But it's trying to translate everything.
Yeah.
It's trying to translate everything.
It doesn't translate everything but it tries.
Yeah.
I don't remember what like word it was specifically but it was like somewhere that I just like
there's no like direct translation in Spanish and they like did it literally.
Yeah.
But as I noticed people it was probably like what is it?
It's an acronym.
Yeah.
It's an acronym exactly.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anything else about the captions that you would like to share?
You all have been doing a great job by the way.
You already mentioned it.
I think one thing I was noticing is that everything's centered, you know, like when you're writing,
you can like center everything and long gaining it to fit the screen, which was already mentioned.
But even just looking at the words right now, sometimes there would be two or three
words on a second line making use of like the space.
That's what I noticed too.
I think when it was finishing up like a sentence, one part they just did like one word but then
it pushed all the rest of the thing inside, didn't finish and then the rest of it.
And you find that lack of predictability jarring, you know, like you felt like you had to recalibrate
at all.
Yeah.
A little bit.
Yeah.
Lane catch up.
Good.
Yeah.
Like you expected to start coming from one place at all instead of there.
Right.
You get a tough line and then you really long line and then you get a catch up.
Yeah.
I think it's like trying to catch up is reading it.
Yeah.
It just kind of like rambles.
And then it rambles.
Where was it?
Yeah.
Also like the periods would throw me on too.
Like I would read something.
Yeah.
Read it period and then word period.
And then that would like throw up.
Yeah.
The grammar rules.
Yeah.
The grammar rules.
So I'm going to ask you the two last questions that we have.
And then how are we doing on time?
Are we okay?
It's 60.
Okay.
Perfect.
So.
Generally.
Right.
And like you were like, it strikes me out watching the news.
Do you generally watch or like read the news?
Yeah.
I do.
I'll do articles and try to skim through them because they're not as dangerous.
Yeah.
That's trust me.
That's fair.
I read.
You read?
Yeah.
Same.
I read.
Okay.
It depends like if I open it on, but if it starts searching, yeah, I'll do that.
Okay.
So it just depends on what's going on.
Very fair.
It's crazy times.
Where do you normally read or like find your news?
Can I read your view?
Yeah.
That's right.
Yeah.
I have to go to the Tribune.
NPR.
Okay.
The Madison newspapers.
Okay.
Any in particular?
This is.
I'm trying to do the state journal, but it's not always free.
It's not always free.
Yeah.
It's okay.
Yeah.
Madison's about five.
Madison's about three sixty five.
Oh yeah.
What is it?
The little channel three.
The channel three.
Yeah.
On Instagram.
Make it special.
I'll know that one.
Where we catch the news.
It's true.
I mean that like very seriously.
That's right.
It's important that you're able to consume news on the platforms that you already utilize.
Right?
Like asking folks to take like one extra step to go somewhere where we know where they
be.
I agree.
He is not my battle in this story.
And then I remember.
Yes.
I mean, especially if you do like segment clips.
Yes.
You know, like this is the segment on agriculture.
Yeah.
Already.
Yeah.
Thanks.
I'm on an edited caption.
We really know our phones.
I've been looking at our computers.
On our phones.
Because you know that's growing.
Yeah.
Get that.
That's growing.
Yeah.
Also like when it's like on a small screen.
I feel like I can read so much more faster.
Really.
Yeah.
Because it's like, yeah, like you have this whole distance.
Like I found my eyes going from like there to there.
It was like, it was a lot.
And I can skim better.
Yeah.
I wonder how the captions will work.
Right.
Exactly.
I know they're proportionally, they're larger on digital devices.
And this would be.
But not for this.
So this would be for broadcast.
So for broadcast, I don't know.
There's just so many more adjustments that you can do.
Yeah.
Host a live broadcast.
We need to figure that out.
We need to know.
What's the percent of our population that watches it live?
Or is it mostly recorded?
We get numbers from like across more folks who watch it.
We also are on Sunday.
Right.
So like the same Friday program will air on Sunday.
And then it's all online and on YouTube.
Right.
So folks are able to find it there.
That Sunday airing does give us an opportunity to go ahead and fix.
Yeah.
So the Sunday would account as a live broadcast.
Yeah.
Most people are going to watch.
That is very interesting to me because this is something I've been thinking specifically.
And one thing I always remind people that the Spanish speaking community is not exclusively
the Latino community.
Right.
But when I think about my Latino community, I think if I share with folks, you could
reliably watch something on Sunday.
You could have a sequel get all comfortable.
The captains are going to be on point.
It would be something that I think would gain a little bit more traction as a resource.
How do you all feel about that?
You're essentially competing with other Spanish people.
Right.
During the week.
Yeah.
And many people.
Yeah.
Whatever's going on.
Yeah.
On Friday, people are going out.
They're like, It's end of the work going, yes.
No.
Sunday.
You're all the rest day.
Yeah.
That thing.
You're all the people you're on Friday.
We're all 1 and 11.
He said we're all 11.
What about the flow of the kids, do you know?
Okay, so that's interesting to talk about because in thinking about making it happen
and promotional wise I think if you're able to share with folks that are
resource will be like free on Sunday you can pick up because that's the thing
with us right like yes it's all available online but like you pick up our stuff
with bunny ears right like you don't need a cable
description you don't need anything so I've thought about those Sunday
possibilities a lot yeah go for it be loud I'm sure you guys
thought about it little if Sunday same broadcast comes out you know you can
get it could you do a Spanish voiceover yes that is like that's why when I was
talking about the steps this is our first step right because like that's not
even Spanish a voiceover would it even be like the last step for me like one of
the last steps would be Spanish yeah Spanish
Spanish reporter no I'm being serious yeah right we're still in the terms of
like production and things like that we're still steps away yeah this is
Satan like a long time yeah I bet one year too long yeah no I but yeah it's
just it's Sunday is rough casted it again it's a little meat mom it's nice to
have a voiceover without a Spanish accent but what do you mean about it
a lesson to spagner oh okay oh Spanish Spanish like from Spain accent that
drives me crazy yeah that's a crazy oh no from anywhere else without such a
heavy like thing yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm just a normal not normal for like a
regular toilet yeah like a market Democrats I can it's not really no cuz we
already get that in a Spanish or like an American movie with Spanish yeah and
it's like what does that mean it's just yeah I had it like I have like this like
professional group and some ladies were like excited to talk to me in the
Spanish and she's using like a accent from Spain I was like don't talk to me yeah
don't talk to me with the Spanish accent no we're all guys to different
world but I mean that would be nice we can delete that from we'll delete that
yeah
anything out I'm here I don't like hearing it use like yes yes but having that
voiceover yeah doesn't leave out people who don't have a faster reading speed
yes no a voiceover to me it has so much more to do right people it's more
accessible reading wise they should sit and listen people are able to you know
you're multitasking yes you're doing you're a laundry or you're folding
whatever you're doing and you can hear in the background like that is the ultimate
goal and hopefully not because there's like software for everything now but
like I'm saying like our goal is Spanish produced in Spanish right any other
questions for me for us last one
anything else you all would like to share you can always head to self
yeah after this to like oh yeah like this this really bothered me or this is
good yeah I thought with it yeah it was great so my last question is well I'm
gonna ask you this question and then I'm gonna ask you like two follow-ups but
this is one that we're gonna ask everybody to answer right so you can
take some time to think about it on a scale of one to five with one being
not good at all and five being like very good how would you get rate the
captioning and why do you give it that rating
would you like me to repeat the question now you're good whoever wants to start
go for it
I promise maybe personally I would say a 1.5 a 1.5 okay hit me with why it was
hard to read it was hard for me to catch up I had to really focus and to
having to really focus I was like the news already itself is stressful yeah I'm
stressing myself even more to read this and then I kind of got frustrated of like
why can't I read this like this news should be if it's for everybody it should
be accessible for everybody and I'm getting mad that I can't read it and I
can't understand it and now I just don't know let me ask you what let me just
follow up while you all like ponder your no that's I talked to them before like
when I was starting out the translating process I felt dumb because I didn't
know what these words were that was like how is that possible because I am a
fluent Spanish speaker I am not stupid like what is happening you know no no
that's very very true there is some words on here that like well they're not
yeah comment or every day exactly so I think that's what I'm gonna tell you now
you are not done these are words that don't pop up in our like in our everyday
language there are not words that we would normally use and that's why like
one of the questions was like do you enjoy using but like for like when we
did the call-out like that's what we were hoping for like the biggest level of
like okay well I'll actually will watch the news right versus somebody who like
has never done it all the words but no like that's very similar to how I
follow this I'm like how is this like I don't know what this is yeah so you were
not dumb not even close that they some of these words are just like especially
like the agriculture words I was like what is manure it was like it's pretty
what is that what are you talking about manure in Spanish never
so give yourself grace when it comes to that area but okay 1.5 you stick by it
but sure yeah cool yes I would also say 1.5 yeah for the same reasons I think by
the end of it I'm kidding like my eyes hurt and there weren't like parts where
I felt myself kind of give up and I just got distraction like distracted with
like listening to it in English or just like even like just like the
surrounding areas because I'm like I'm already lost by the time I like start
trying during the second line it's already done yeah so yeah I would also
give it a 1.5 okay I give it a 3 just because the font is nice bigger than
normal okay but it's not unique or different that what's already out there
in terms of speed and accuracy and like how small the captions boxes versus
how the rest of the screen and I was also gonna say like three and I was
basing this off how I feel when I watch something like let's say like how I felt
because usually I do get like distracted or confused when I'm watching subtitles
with no even with no sound and I felt like this as well watching this and I
was wondering what how I would have felt if there was no sound on it and how my
understanding would have changed because I'm listening and also reading and more
of a visual person than others or something like it was like my thought
process but I think for the most part even if something was ending I could
kind of get the gist of what they were saying and even just with those grammar
titles like it'll go on the office. I'll just be honest with the next thing.
I feel like for some of them as a more of a Spanish speaker like they always communicate
in Spanish but probably understand what those bigger words like manure like my
dad knows what manure is because he works with that and yeah you know so yeah that's
one thing and then I had something associated but I can't remember it no you're okay.
Yeah I would say like a three year 2.5. I think like I'm thinking back of my
comprehension and I grew up Bianca like I feel like if I wasn't listening in
English I might not have like caught the gist of some of the parts because like I knew what to
look for in the text you know because I heard it in English yeah and so like if
it was like without sound I feel like I probably wouldn't understand as much with
the lag and I'm also like generally a slow reader in English and in Spanish and so it's
like yeah some parts I would just miss entirely but I did I like I do like the
the text and I think like the things that I did get like they were comprehensive in
like in the text itself yeah it made sense for the most part so let me ask you all
this because like it's it's really coming down in terms of like perfection and what
we work with do you think putting out something like this which we are not
I'm just asking the general question is more of a service to somebody who speaks
Spanish or more of a disservice
I think with the lagging and like not matching up with the picture and also
like context clues I would say I'm leaning more towards this service
okay just because like the news are really important and especially towards
election cycles yeah I would want then like based on our community like no
what's going on yeah yeah yeah maybe like if if what if this is what they're
given like they might get you know like just of some of the you know important
like parts of each topic but it's like is that worth their time to sit through
it you know and only get those bits and what he says yeah
it's a disservice in terms of it's really important information and having to sit
down and read it but I think it's like are you even trying because there's so
many small things and only gets no different than what other captions are
and stuff like that like you can you at least try to make it audio version but
it's hard to pull
do you think and because I mean I'm sitting down with you all and being like
transparent about where we are where we would like to be because I know that
the first thing like if I were talking to my mom she'd be like when we get an
audio skipples up with it right like you just like you can't get to step 10 by
jumping from step one to ten it's just like I wish I could right like you wish
you could wave things and stuff like that do you think that by starting out
with Spanish captions it's I don't know rude like if this is our first step
not risen little little less equal like as you see it's like and I think that's
like in talking with us internally like we admitted to basic like we admit because
it's like we have to get to one yeah make sure one works within production
especially for something like this before we get to two right like it's and I
think that that's where we I know you all especially in programming you've
probably set this like a million times but like you have to be comfortable with
the uncomfortable right and the uncomfortable is that we should be
doing better we should be doing that but we this is step one and it is basic and
I think like we all know to the fact that it's basic it's step one
so we should think about it like well and the only and because of that it's
like well you know I know but if they can do Spanish how do you why can't you
or forget the Le Mondo is going to love what I said in Spanish but you can't
get somebody or work it last political as well and I said and it's when you
you know I mean like why can't they do it but you can't like we're under here
that's money and you gotta find the people and stuff they don't you know it's just
one of those things yeah but no that was fair no anything you thought I've
probably thought already and probably talked about it with Jason already so
please like my comfort is not yeah on any priority list right now because it is
once you start learning about like I'm telling you this took us months even
get here right and like you all are the first people seeing it off by the like
our staff like I got most not as quickly as like we would like to and then I would
tell anybody who has Spanish speaking friends who are interested in internships
or things are like dogs please check PBS with us in job history chips are hard
okay yeah it's not okay it's the background it's the background that
requires yeah so have reach out to centros internships usually it's college
but it's college level partnerships with like send those to concrete like a
way I mean we have progress which is customer service
what's what do you mean oh the program okay yes yes the program program here
that he just had the customers over the scale right yeah yeah a lot of people
come with customer service we just elevated to think so one I think you
were mentioning it in terms of maybe for your next focus group is either not
have a volume so high or mute it so that we just focus on that and then we're
not like oh yeah we already expect this because we're here and I didn't understand
it in English and just do the caption period because that's like let's say
let me ask you this because a lot of us right like we speak English to sort of
brain of listening our eyes are reading do you think this experience would be
different for somebody who does not speak English yeah yeah like anime you
know like when you leave the like original language and you look at subtitles in
English I mean it's not live but like yeah you get that same experience where
you're hearing the language but you're not it's not like you you're understanding
it when you are watching that like the captions will be different from the
voice over so like you could so the original language was like Korean and
you're watching it in English over and then you also have English subtitles like
it will not match up yeah yeah that's true let me ask you this because you did
mention you're bad right because we want to make sure not that I do not love
and appreciate each one of you but we're hitting like a very similar
demographic especially with age right yeah yeah do you think we would be able to
find older folks yes they need more heavily into Spanish to do this with us
another I think that that might be our that was my other thing like if you're
having other folks are you targeting the community you're trying to serve like
we're doing it in a pretty like low-key way right now just very lucky
think of this like the relationship we have it sent at all and to do this and
obviously we want to compensate folks but we never wanted the group to be
bigger than five like we never wanted we have very like specific like intimacy
parameters that like we were working with more people yeah yeah
those frying people no and the size is totally fine yeah it's just but what I mean
it's like yeah take a step back like like our parents yeah like exactly yep
like I like a little about this and they're like really interested in
really yeah and it's kind of like the opposite of who wears I grew up here
and also speaking exactly I'm better like they also speak English too but
their comfort level is Spanish and so when they're watching something it'll
always be Spanish yes so let me ask you this and in terms of taking the
comfort because you know you just don't want to walk in and just be like come
and sit down with me and tell me everything that you think if I wanted to
do like outreach like people that you were talking about like similar like
with your folks and stuff like that what would be the appropriate stuff like do
you think that this is something like to recruit them to recruit them yeah yeah
yeah well yes money and food that is a given
how do you go about it where are they where are there in schools I mean the
way we recruit I mean like we talked to our parents and like a lot of not our
parents but like our students yes our students parents like our students
parents like I kind of like I'm not a similar both but yeah having our parents
be more engaged yeah that's always tough like you work you do this and on the
weekend and on a weekend weekends are helpful in your child's child care yes
I was just sitting here and we have care and nights for our
skylight appearance and actually we found it more helpful when it's on like
Tuesday nights Wednesday nights but like after 6 30 yeah after traffic yeah
definitely providing them with cinema and child care and that's like and they
show up and they show up how often do you do a skylight our parents we would do
them once a month and let me ask you this is like just going back into my
brain from like working the parent groups you always have like the couple
who are super engaged right like you're always like I always know like if I
don't want my needs to come yeah yeah you're like I know they're gonna come I
know they're gonna come would you feel a level of comfort to like help us
recruit some of those folks that you know again same thing meals provided get
cards provided and stuff like that we want to compensate for their time
adjust for like their time so we had a different time plan for this one and
then just like no do it like at this time you know things like that like fully
adjusting would you all feel knowing and going through this experience and
knowing that I could also leave this completely in Spanish and then pray
and play our stuff out there too to help us recruit another five folks oh my
god I sound like an MLM I mean you got four parents here or me like we can oh
yeah my right away here yeah so I don't want to do but I have a deal are you
other feel like a family member to keep it intimate to keep it not so whatever
give us a day give us a time okay as child care and we can tell our parents or
uncles a you want to be part of this
I've been thinking about this too because again like I'm hearing something in
English I'm listening to it in English but reading it in Spanish that I want to
know what the experience is like for somebody who primarily dominantly speaks
Spanish with maybe a little bit English or maybe no English right like what
that experience is like yeah I got a community out there that don't know how
to read yeah that's why yeah that's why the audio no that's very real like that
is very very real that's where like accessibility comes in right because
it's hearing impaired it's sight impaired like all of those things that come in
not that evil like once you start thinking about that like you think of
everything and I'm not going to believe English or accessibility isn't 100%
where it could be yeah and we're a public service yeah exactly we're
creating this right everyone yeah I was thinking about like my dad and my dad
like he like didn't I think the highest education level that he has is like
from sixth grade oh so I feel like if you were sitting here next to me and
watching this I think that he would feel like overwhelmed and start feeling
like he's not smart and all those like internal thoughts of like embarrassment
yeah I don't know yeah that's why I was saying like isn't being equal to
somebody with a particular reading now and this feed is all over the place I
think we can acknowledge that especially the way you just watched yeah with a
live broadcast feel the speed is all over the place
even in English we should technically like to make anything that you create
accessible for the majority of population you should try to stick at a sixth
reading level or health care is just I mean I tell like I have a master's
degree but something like I don't want to read like complicated things you have to
read the same thing three times like what did I get the right this is also one
product of our news so yes I mean that we couldn't consider
experience other people I think part of the value of thinking again for coming
out tonight part of the value of having a conversation with a group like this is
just like what what they like about you know what we make a better observations
about the way your family members would would see this the way you felt beyond
just the literal reading of it but if you felt like oh you know I feel kind of
like the same thing with me with the language the level of language they felt
like I don't understand something so yeah that's the opposite feeling that we
want to you know bring to someone like this and there's moments like we'll give
you an example like we were getting like before we got to you all we had a
train leader just look at like what comes out of the AI right like how good it is
and there was one episode where he's like I did not understand anything and I
like went to like you know what I'm talking about school referendum but some
school referendum yeah something yeah I went up to Frederica who was like an
angel by the way I love that woman I was like pride our translator did not
understand any of this and she's like I don't understand it like Zach went
the reporter she's like he went off the deep end like I don't know what any of
that is and I mean you feel so much better but there's some time we're so yeah
we're still bringing it back 25 years after we were founded you know yeah out
this week's plot they're always looking to improve that's a good thing about
this team is friends with me oh she's amazing probably like 15 years or so and
still wants to improve wants to make it better really supportive of this work
really support you so yeah and yeah cuz sometimes like they acknowledge like
it's easy for a reporter especially when they're doing like a life package for
a lot of a better word like geek out right like they're getting all like
getting like what are you telling me like so no we understand that too yeah yeah
I just made the connection that I kept saying Fred like in the in the
Saturday and you know it's Fred not Frederica yeah and their thoughts like
again we would roll this out with engagement sections like Fred's down
like to come out and like meet people like doing like because you need to get
to know we are getting the news from to know that her name is Frederica but
she's called Fred right like that's her nickname like all his Fred like
things like that so yeah yeah yeah I mean that's a big way to get the community
and to build that control everything oh no I know we got a long way to go and
we're even meeting with other stations at least we are who have been doing
I can say who's been doing better work in the lobby how are you gonna compete
with when he was you know I'm like
like a guy you're going to comment on you and like as the community
project and we know we're also be nice for other programs too is like being a
part of the content creation yeah and not just report it on right yeah
yeah good work this is you what yeah they're doing good work thank you don't
tell me that I'm very sensitive to it okay