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That's the way I feel standing in

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the middle of my own slew.

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My own business here.

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I've got all kinds of plans for this

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joint, plans of my own, all my own

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ideas.

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Maybe we can get matching

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tablecloths and napkins,

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and we can redecorate the

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powder room. And get plenty of

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powder in there, because it stinks.

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Oh, and I'll take down them fightin'

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pictures and we'll put up George and

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No, no, no.

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Don't put George and Martha up,

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I mean, pictures of George and

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Martin, they always look like they

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don't want nobody to drink.

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No, no, no.

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Eat it. Eat. No, eat it.

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Don't leave while he's out.

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Have they curtains on the door?

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No, I don't know. No curtains,

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Edith. We ain't running the night

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street. Oh, and we'll get rid of the

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pinball machine, cause that's

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gambling. Edith, you committed a

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pinball-machine and a guy who smells

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like garlic will come around, kiss

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me on both cheeks, and put a hole in

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my head.

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No, I didn't do nothing.

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I ain't even, no, I ain'n't the

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putter yet, I'm putting, that's

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enough, I don't want to hear no

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more. This is my boss, I

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am the boss of this bar, and I'm the

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boss and I am a guy that says what

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goes. But you made me a

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partner.

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When did I do that?

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When you forged my name on

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the horse.

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All in the Family was recorded on

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tape before a live audience.

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This is catchy comedy.

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Laughs are plenty tonight.

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You just turn on that set and do the

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rest.

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Tonight, a WISN-12

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Commitment 2026 election

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special.

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A consequential race on the ballot.

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Who will voters choose as

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Wisconsin's next Supreme Court

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Justice?

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Tonight, an unprecedented event.

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The candidates together for their

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first and only debate.

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Each with sharply differing

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viewpoints.

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Appellate Court Judge Maria Lazar.

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We need a judge and a justice

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who's independent-minded

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and yet able to stand

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up for the law.

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A former Waukesha County Circuit

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Court Judge and former Assistant

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Attorney General under Governor

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Scott Walker.

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If you're trying to legislate from

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the bench, that's completely out of

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bounds.

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And appellate court judge

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Chris Taylor.

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My commitment is

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to make sure that people have

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a fair process, that their rights

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are protected.

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A former Dane County Circuit Court

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judge and former Democratic state

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lawmaker.

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Not just protecting people's rights,

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but checking the power of the other

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branches of government.

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Tonight the exclusive

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head-to-head matchup when people

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describe you as the conservative

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Well, it's somewhat amusing.

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When people describe you as the

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liberal candidate, how do you

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respond to that?

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I care about people's rights.

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WISN TV studios in

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downtown Milwaukee, tonight's

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moderators, WISM-12

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political director Matt Smith and

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upfront co-host, 12 news anchor

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Jaron Jordan.

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Good evening everyone and welcome.

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Thank you for your patience and that

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of the candidates for sticking with

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us through tonight's severe weather.

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We thank our audience across

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Wisconsin for joining us for the

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first and only televised debate

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between the two candidates for

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Wisconsin Supreme Court.

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With us right now, two state

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appellate court judges, the

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Honorable Maria Lazar and the

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Honorable Chris Taylor.

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Thank you both for being here.

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You are so very welcome.

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Thank you so much.

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The top vote getter on Tuesday will

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serve a 10-year term on the state

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Supreme Court, filling the seat of

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conservative justice Rebecca

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Bradley, who is not seeking

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reelection.

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First tonight, a few ground rules.

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This is a debate, but we'll be

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having a conversation.

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We'll be discussing the key issues

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facing Wisconsin.

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Candidates are asked to state their

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positions, stay on topic,

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and to be concise.

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The candidates may speak to each

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other, but will manage the time on

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any given topic and move the

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conversation along, if necessary.

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We flipped a coin to determine who

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will get the first question.

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So let's get started with Judge

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Taylor.

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Here we are just five days out from

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election day, and already some

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251,000 Wisconsinites

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have already cast their ballots.

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Yet a good number say they don't

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know much about this race and they

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don't know who they'll vote for.

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Judge Taylor, with control of the

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court not at stake, tell us what

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is at stake in this race.

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Well, first of all, thank you so

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much for hosting this debate.

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I am so happy to be here, and I

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really appreciate your flexibility

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in rescheduling this debate when I

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was battling with the kidney stone

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last week. So thanks so

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much. Well, people should

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care, and think they do care

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about this race.

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I have traveled all over the state

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of Wisconsin for the last 11

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months. And I have

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met Wisconsinites from every

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corner of this state who are hungry

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for a government that works for

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them and prioritizes them

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and they are hungry for a

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justice that's going to stand up

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for them, protect their rights,

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protect our democracy and protect

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our elections.

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Those things have never been more

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important.

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I have dedicated my entire

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30-year legal career

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to protecting people's

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rights and freedoms and making

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sure as a judge that they

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get equal justice when

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they are in the courtroom.

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I have been a lawyer in private

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practice, the law and policy

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director for Planned Parenthood, a

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legislator, and for the last six

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years a judge.

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My passion throughout my entire life

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is justice.

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I am running to be a justice for

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the people of Wisconsin.

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Judge Lazar, with control of the

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court not at stake in this race,

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what is at stake in this raise?

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Well, again, thank you so very much

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for inviting us and thank you to

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everyone in my home city, Wisconsin,

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for watching.

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What's at stake in this race?

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Justice, integrity, independence.

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I am running to stop

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the erosion of faith in our state

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Supreme Court.

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The choice in this race could not be

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more clear.

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On the one hand, you have a judge,

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an experienced judge, who's been on

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the bench for more than 12 years,

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protecting the rights of everyone in

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this state.

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And on the other hand, we have

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a radical extreme legislator,

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who is known as the most liberal of

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the 99 in that assembly,

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who now, as a judicial activist,

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wants to put her views.

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Her values and her agenda

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in the court above the law.

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I am running so that we can

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restore independence and I am the

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only credible candidate in this race

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who can do that and so that's why

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I'm looking forward to being

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Wisconsin's new justice for the next

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ten years.

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You both describe your judicial

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philosophies differently.

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Judge Taylor, you've said your

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philosophy centers around people and

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equal justice.

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Judge Lazar, you described your

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judicial philosophy as originalism

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with a touch of textualism.

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Judge Lazar I'm curious, why

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is Judge Taylor's philosophy not

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fit for the court?

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understand that we need a judge who

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loves the law, not a judge

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that loves their causes or

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their beliefs or their agendas.

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I am going to be a justice

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on this court who is looking to

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put only the law and interpret the

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law as it's written.

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I do not intend to follow any

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mandate or agenda or to

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legislate from the bench.

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I am actually going to look at what

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is there. When people come in front

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of my court, they know

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two things. One, I always

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treat them with respect, and number

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two, they always have a

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fair and full opportunity to be

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heard, and I decide the case only

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on the law and the facts.

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Judge Taylor, why is Judge Lazar's

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philosophy not fit for the court?

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Well, first of all, Judge

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Lazar is the only person in

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this race who has brought an

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extreme right-wing political

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agenda to the bench.

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She has refused to

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follow precedent.

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She ruled

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to release...

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Personal, private voting

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information to a right-wing

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group that tried to overturn

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our election.

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Thank goodness she was reversed by

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the state Supreme Court.

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She has been reversed repeatedly

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agenda that favors big corporations

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and right-wings special interests.

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I don't know of one

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public judicial endorsement that she

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has had. In contrast,

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I have the support of over 160

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judges throughout the state of

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Wisconsin, including the

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majority of our own

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colleagues on the Court of Appeals.

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But let me get to your question.

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My opponent has described

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her judicial philosophy as being

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originalist.

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What this means is she believes

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you have to go back centuries

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to what the

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Constitution to

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go back to 1788 when the

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Constitution was written or when one

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of the amendments was

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passed like the 14th Amendment was

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passed in 1868.

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She wants to go back and

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basically say if the right wasn't

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recognized like the right to

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abortion, if it wasn't recognize

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in the Constitution or if it was

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not recognized in society, it does

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not exist.

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Judge Lazar, you're shaking your

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head.

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And no, and this is exactly

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what I faced through this entire

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race. This race is a race for

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a judicial seat, not a

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legislative seat.

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My opponent is using the same old

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political playbook, and I will tell

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you the problem with that is

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we do not want a

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legislator, we cannot afford

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a legislater on the bench.

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As to my, the statements that I've

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been reversed, you know, I guess

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when my opponent has a few more

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years of judicial experience,

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she'll understand that being

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reversed is a part of being an

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independent judiciary.

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And the Supreme Court, the

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four liberal majority on this

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Supreme Court was reversed nine

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to zero by the United States

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Supreme Court in a case about

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religious freedom Catholic

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charities.

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I have a really good friend who's a

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judge and a mentor to me throughout

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my 12 years on this bench,

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and she said you're actually not a

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true judge until you've been

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reversed.

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So I take.

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The problem with what my

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opponent just said is she was

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reversed in a case called

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Wisconsin Voter Alliance v.

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C Court. She was not reversed on the

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merits. She was admonished

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by our state Supreme Court because

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she ignored precedent.

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She even said in her opinion she

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was ignoring precedent.

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That is not what a judge is supposed

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to do. She is the one who

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has brought a distinctly political

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agenda to this court.

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She has said it on the campaign.

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And she's running to be a

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conservative justice.

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She is running with an agenda to

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restrict access to reproductive

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health care. It's in her own

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commercial.

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I have to respond to that.

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I have never said I'm running as a

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conservative candidate.

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I've said it's independent and

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that's what I am.

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The Secort case had to do with

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procedure and the state Supreme

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Court sent it back to me and I

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changed the way I responded and that

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was fine.

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As to reproductive rights, my

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opponent is fooling everyone in

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the state of Wisconsin.

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The state Supreme court has ruled on

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abortion. It is final.

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It's a 20-week compromise and I've

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sat as a judge that I will respect

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and honor that.

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My opponent, when she was a

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legislator, when she tried to pass

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over 243 bills

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and only six passed, one

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of them was about abortion and she

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wanted it to be abortion.

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At any time.

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Are set aboard.

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On the ballot, my po—

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to the contrary, believes it is.

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We will get to abortion in a minute

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first. We're going to talk about the

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current state of the court

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Yeah, the winner of this race will

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fill the seat of retiring Justice

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Rebecca Bradley.

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In her decision not to seek

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re-election, she said, quote, for

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years I have warned that under the

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control of judicial activists, the

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court will make itself more powerful

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than the legislature, more powerful

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than the governor.

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That warning, she says, went

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unheeded and Wisconsin has only

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seen the beginning of what is an

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alarming shift from thoughtful,

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principled judicial service toward

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bitter partisanship, personal

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attacks, and political gamesmanship.

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Judge Taylor, is Justice Bradley's

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assessment correct? And if so, how

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would you fix that?

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Well, look, when I was in the

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legislature...

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I saw bills

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that I thought were unconstitutional

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be passed.

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The problem was we had

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a conservative

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state Supreme Court that

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was in the pocket of right-wing

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extremists. They would not hold

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the legislative branch accountable.

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What I will do as a justice

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is be fiercely

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independent. I have a strong

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judicial record.

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I have never once

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been reversed.

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I heard thousands of

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cases as a circuit court judge.

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I had dozens and dozens

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of complicated jury trials.

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I've written dozens of published

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decisions on the Court of Appeals.

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I am scrupulous in

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applying the law.

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And I have a spine

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of steel when it comes to

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making sure people's rights and

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freedoms are protected.

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So I bring a collaborative

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nature to the court.

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I've been endorsed by almost every

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single judge who's ever worked with

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me. They know how hard I work.

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They know I like listening to other

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people's opinions.

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That makes us a stronger

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court.

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So I bring a

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strong collaborative spirit.

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I am open to considering other

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potential.

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And I think our court is on the

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right path in protecting people's

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rights and safeguarding our

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democracy.

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Judge Lazar, is Justice Bradley's

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assessment of the court correct and

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if so, how would you fix it?

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Well, I believe, first of all, I do

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have to respond and say that I have

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posted endorsements and they do

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include the Milwaukee Police

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Association, Fraternal Order of the

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Police, and many, many judges as

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well. But with regard to what

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Justice Bradley said, I see that

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there is a concern by people in the

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state. And when I go and talk to

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people across the state, since I've

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started running in October, they do

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tell me they're concerned that they

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will not get a fair and

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full opportunity to be heard,

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and that one side or another is

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going to get a prejudgment

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in the case.

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And I will tell you the concern that

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I have.

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It's that when someone walks into

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the court, it's not whether the

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court is right or left.

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You need a court that is neutral.

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You need court that decides things

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only based on the law and

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the facts. And that's what I have

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done my entire life as a

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judge, and it's what will do.

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We need to have a collaborative

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court. I agree with my opponent

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in that. But we also

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need to have people who will stand

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up and stand up for

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the rights for the laws and what

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is right in the state of Wisconsin

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With news this week, let's move to

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redistricting and talk about that,

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the geographic lines in the state

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that determine who represents voters

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in Congress.

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On Tuesday, a three-judge panel

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dismissed a challenge to Wisconsin's

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congressional maps.

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The circuit court judges said they

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had no authority to supersede the

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Wisconsin Supreme Court.

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When the court appointed these two

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separate panels last year,

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conservative justices Annette

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Ziegler and Rebecca Bradley

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dissented, arguing those same

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concerns. Justice Taylor given

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this week's ruling should this

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second set the second three

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judge panel considering a

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separate lawsuit to the

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congressional map should they

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conclude the same that this panel

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did this past week

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Well, I'm not going to comment on

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pending cases.

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Those cases could come up to the

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Court of Appeals.

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They could certainly go up to

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Wisconsin Supreme Court.

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What I will say is that

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I think it's so incredibly

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important that every citizen

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who is eligible to vote.

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Has the right to pick their

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elected representatives, not

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the other way around.

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When my opponent was representing

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Governor Scott Walker and

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defending legislative

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maps that were drafted in secret

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that some election experts

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called the most gerrymandered

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maps in the nation,

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I was working in the legislature

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on a nonpartisan

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redistricting process.

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So I have worked throughout

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my time on

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making this process fair,

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taking out the partisanship,

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while my opponent was defending

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what some election experts called

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the most partisan maps in 40

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years.

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Judge Lazar on this three judge

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panel should the second panel

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conclude the same?

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I will agree as well that I can't

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say what they should or shouldn't

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do. I will note that it was

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very unusual to send it to

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those panels, and I will also

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address redistricting that my

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opponent has raised.

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The map in Wisconsin has straight

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lines, and it follows communities

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of interest, and it followed the

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Constitution, and the only thing

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that a federal court did in

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that map was remove one line

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from sideways to the other

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way. If you want to see a real

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gerrymandered map, then I propose

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00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:32,069
everyone watching go look at the map

578
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:34,149
of Illinois, which a reporter just

579
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:36,109
told me I think a week ago looks

580
00:17:36,110 --> 00:17:38,349
like a giant octopus swallowing

581
00:17:38,350 --> 00:17:39,949
the city of Chicago.

582
00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:42,049
That is a gerrymander map.

583
00:17:42,050 --> 00:17:43,369
That is not what we have in

584
00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:44,169
Wisconsin.

585
00:17:44,170 --> 00:17:45,709
We follow the rules here.

586
00:17:45,710 --> 00:17:47,069
And when I was at the Department of

587
00:17:47,070 --> 00:17:49,049
Justice, I did my best

588
00:17:49,050 --> 00:17:51,249
as a lawyer to advocate for

589
00:17:51,250 --> 00:17:53,029
my clients, which were the state of

590
00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:54,849
Wisconsin and any individual.

591
00:17:54,850 --> 00:17:56,729
I was not hired by, nor

592
00:17:56,730 --> 00:17:58,689
did I work for, any governor

593
00:17:58,690 --> 00:18:00,049
or any legislator.

594
00:18:00,050 --> 00:18:01,489
I worked for the Department of

595
00:18:01,490 --> 00:18:02,409
Justice in Wisconsin.

596
00:18:02,410 --> 00:18:03,949
Judge Taylor, before this week's

597
00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:05,489
ruling, Democratic Congressman Mark

598
00:18:05,490 --> 00:18:06,729
Pocan, who is supporting your

599
00:18:06,730 --> 00:18:08,709
campaign, had said that the court is

600
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:10,409
dragging its feet and that it may

601
00:18:10,410 --> 00:18:12,069
cost us the ability to have fair

602
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:14,069
maps ahead of the midterms.

603
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:15,469
Are the current congressional maps

604
00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:16,470
fair?

605
00:18:16,790 --> 00:18:19,089
Look, this is a pending case.

606
00:18:19,090 --> 00:18:20,989
We do not, as judges, we

607
00:18:20,990 --> 00:18:23,109
cannot comment on pending cases

608
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:25,749
or express an opinion about

609
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:27,249
a case that's pending that could

610
00:18:27,250 --> 00:18:28,909
come before us.

611
00:18:28,910 --> 00:18:30,869
But I am committed to

612
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:32,869
making sure that every

613
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:34,929
eligible voter in

614
00:18:34,930 --> 00:18:37,069
the state of Wisconsin has

615
00:18:37,070 --> 00:18:39,049
the ability to pick their

616
00:18:39,050 --> 00:18:41,069
elected representatives, not the

617
00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:42,249
other way around.

618
00:18:42,250 --> 00:18:44,929
That's not how supposed to work.

619
00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:47,309
So that is my commitment and

620
00:18:47,310 --> 00:18:49,169
you know I believe that

621
00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:51,379
everyone's vote should count.

622
00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:53,459
Votes should not be elevated

623
00:18:53,460 --> 00:18:55,459
and votes should not be

624
00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:57,279
diminished based on the

625
00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,809
drawing of legislative maps.

626
00:18:58,810 --> 00:19:00,169
Judge Lazar, you've written as a

627
00:19:00,170 --> 00:19:01,469
judge, I believe the people's

628
00:19:01,470 --> 00:19:02,569
representatives are responsible for

629
00:19:02,570 --> 00:19:04,109
drawing maps, and the courts are

630
00:19:04,110 --> 00:19:05,389
responsible for making sure those

631
00:19:05,390 --> 00:19:06,949
maps follow the law.

632
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:08,669
So do the current congressional maps

633
00:19:08,670 --> 00:19:09,469
follow the law?

634
00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:10,949
And again I would agree with my

635
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:12,449
opponent that I can't comment on the

636
00:19:12,450 --> 00:19:13,669
exact maps since they are the

637
00:19:13,670 --> 00:19:15,549
subject of two lawsuits, but

638
00:19:15,550 --> 00:19:17,929
I will say that people have

639
00:19:17,930 --> 00:19:19,149
to understand in the state of

640
00:19:19,150 --> 00:19:21,329
Wisconsin that I agree every

641
00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:23,469
vote, eligible vote, should count.

642
00:19:23,470 --> 00:19:24,889
And I think that if you're looking

643
00:19:24,890 --> 00:19:26,469
at the maps and the circumstances

644
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:34,449
now, it's

645
00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:36,279
highly People have to

646
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,099
start circulating papers this

647
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:39,999
month in April and you can't be

648
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,679
doing that if you don't know who

649
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,499
you're going to be representing.

650
00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:45,019
When I was campaigning, it was

651
00:19:45,020 --> 00:19:45,799
interesting.

652
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,879
I met a gentleman who told me

653
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,879
that he had not moved in the last 10

654
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,819
years but that because of the

655
00:19:51,820 --> 00:19:53,599
changes in the maps that he has

656
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,359
three different people representing

657
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,539
him and that's also a concern

658
00:19:57,540 --> 00:19:59,779
and an issue that should not happen.

659
00:19:59,780 --> 00:20:01,499
We should be drawing these maps once

660
00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:03,359
every 10 years after the

661
00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:05,259
census and moving on and

662
00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:06,979
doing that and they should be drawn

663
00:20:06,980 --> 00:20:09,079
by our people's representatives,

664
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,939
the legislature and approved by

665
00:20:10,940 --> 00:20:12,679
the governor and then they come to

666
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:12,969
the court.

667
00:20:12,970 --> 00:20:14,769
Let's talk about elections.

668
00:20:14,770 --> 00:20:16,249
This week, President Trump signed an

669
00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:17,989
executive order targeting federal

670
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:19,909
elections. The order, in part,

671
00:20:19,910 --> 00:20:21,429
would require proof of citizenship

672
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:23,249
by creating a state citizenship

673
00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:25,509
list and limit mail-in voting.

674
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:26,489
Democrats have already filed a

675
00:20:26,490 --> 00:20:28,229
lawsuit looking to block that.

676
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:29,189
It comes, though, as Congress

677
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:30,789
debates the SAVE Act, which would

678
00:20:30,790 --> 00:20:33,349
also require nationwide voter ID.

679
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:34,969
The president has also said he wants

680
00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:36,909
a ban on mail- in voting, all

681
00:20:36,910 --> 00:20:38,189
of which could end up before the

682
00:20:38,190 --> 00:20:39,069
courts.

683
00:20:39,070 --> 00:20:40,429
Judge Lazar, in a press release

684
00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:41,929
referring to the SAV Act, you've

685
00:20:41,930 --> 00:20:43,669
promised to uphold Wisconsin's voter

686
00:20:43,670 --> 00:20:45,749
ID law and said federal gridlock

687
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:47,489
continues to stall common-sense

688
00:20:47,490 --> 00:20:49,469
election integrity measures.

689
00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:50,629
Do you support every provision in

690
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:52,129
the SAVE Act including a possible

691
00:20:52,130 --> 00:20:53,449
ban on mail-in voting?

692
00:20:53,450 --> 00:20:53,539
No.

693
00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:54,819
No, I don't.

694
00:20:54,820 --> 00:20:56,799
What I was talking about and what I

695
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,279
stand for is the fact that in

696
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,179
Wisconsin, the citizens of this

697
00:21:00,180 --> 00:21:02,179
state voted to have a voter ID

698
00:21:02,180 --> 00:21:03,939
requirement when you vote, and

699
00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:05,199
that's what I would uphold.

700
00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:08,239
What I look at, and some of the,

701
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,059
and I actually believe that early

702
00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:12,119
voting is responsible and

703
00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,059
important and necessary and

704
00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:15,999
vital. And I think that mail-in

705
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,079
voting, the same.

706
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,919
So I don't stand for all the things

707
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,619
that they're throwing in now or

708
00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:22,339
talking about now federally.

709
00:21:22,340 --> 00:21:24,199
I think it's important that we

710
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,579
tell people in the state of

711
00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:27,299
Wisconsin that our elections are

712
00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:29,239
safe, they're secure, and that their

713
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,059
votes count.

714
00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:31,579
And that's the key important thing

715
00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:33,659
that we need to address in

716
00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:34,239
this state.

717
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,719
Judge Taylor, you've previously

718
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,539
called Wisconsin's voter ID law one

719
00:21:37,540 --> 00:21:39,159
of the most extreme in the country

720
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,899
saying its true intention is

721
00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:43,059
suppressing our ability to vote.

722
00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:44,559
Last April, more than 60% of

723
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,419
Wisconsin voters approved enshrining

724
00:21:46,420 --> 00:21:47,479
the state's voter I.D.

725
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,239
Law into the state constitution.

726
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,259
How did you vote on that?

727
00:21:51,260 --> 00:21:52,719
When I was in the legislature?

728
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,079
On the constitutional amendment last

729
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,069
April.

730
00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:56,769
Oh, well, how would I do in the

731
00:21:56,770 --> 00:21:58,969
ballot box is nobody's business.

732
00:21:58,970 --> 00:22:00,829
But I can say that it is

733
00:22:00,830 --> 00:22:02,689
the law of the land, and I

734
00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:05,289
will implement the law the land.

735
00:22:05,290 --> 00:22:07,409
I'm glad to hear my

736
00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:09,309
opponent say that every vote should

737
00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:11,129
count because she has been endorsed

738
00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:13,309
in the past by

739
00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:15,289
people who led the charge in

740
00:22:15,290 --> 00:22:17,889
trying to overturn our 2020

741
00:22:17,890 --> 00:22:18,890
election.

742
00:22:19,890 --> 00:22:21,549
And that is very alarming.

743
00:22:21,550 --> 00:22:23,449
She will not say whether

744
00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:25,569
the Trump v Biden lawsuit

745
00:22:25,570 --> 00:22:27,569
that was filed in

746
00:22:27,570 --> 00:22:29,489
2020 in an attempt to overturn

747
00:22:29,490 --> 00:22:31,309
our election, which was defeated

748
00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:33,589
by our state Supreme Court by one

749
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:35,609
vote. My opponent will not whether

750
00:22:35,610 --> 00:22:38,129
that was the right decision.

751
00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:40,169
I am committed to making

752
00:22:40,170 --> 00:22:42,429
sure that all citizens

753
00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:44,349
who are eligible to vote can

754
00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:45,689
cast a ballot.

755
00:22:45,690 --> 00:22:47,509
I am very concerned by

756
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:49,209
what I hear from the federal

757
00:22:49,210 --> 00:22:50,249
government.

758
00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:52,129
We have the ability as

759
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:54,349
a state, it's our authority to

760
00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:56,309
administer our elections and

761
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:58,089
it seems to me that the federal

762
00:22:58,090 --> 00:23:00,249
government is trying to

763
00:23:00,250 --> 00:23:02,329
infringe on the independence of

764
00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:04,309
the state of Wisconsin and that is

765
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:05,859
very concerning.

766
00:23:05,860 --> 00:23:06,699
Any response to that?

767
00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:07,119
Twenty. Yes.

768
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,059
I would say that I'm not

769
00:23:09,060 --> 00:23:10,639
people who may have endorsed me in

770
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,259
the past. I'm not responsible for

771
00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:13,799
all of their thoughts their ideas

772
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,739
that's absolutely absurd and

773
00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:17,299
that's not a way to look at things

774
00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:19,219
and and my endorsements this year

775
00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:21,039
as I've told you have been

776
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,919
very limited I put only

777
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,819
the people recently the law

778
00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:26,159
enforcement endorsements and my

779
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,879
judicial endorsements on my website

780
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,759
that's who I've been endorsed by

781
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,139
those are the endorsements I've

782
00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:32,999
sought this time with respect to

783
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,919
elections I agree every

784
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,659
vote should count and I am hundred

785
00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:38,999
percent for that and I also believe

786
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,999
that we have to uphold the voter

787
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,819
ID law that the citizens

788
00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:44,949
of this state passed

789
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:46,849
overwhelmingly and I also would

790
00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:48,709
note that when my opponent was in

791
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:50,649
the legislature she did her best to

792
00:23:50,650 --> 00:23:52,469
dismantle those protections

793
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:54,489
for our safe and fair elections

794
00:23:54,490 --> 00:23:56,029
and that is not acceptable.

795
00:23:56,030 --> 00:23:57,369
That's not true.

796
00:23:57,370 --> 00:23:59,109
That is absolutely not true I did

797
00:23:59,110 --> 00:24:00,969
everything in my power as a

798
00:24:00,970 --> 00:24:03,189
legislator to make sure that

799
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:05,209
people had the ability to

800
00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:07,409
vote I it's

801
00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:08,749
interesting. My opponent will not

802
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:10,829
answer the question about

803
00:24:10,830 --> 00:24:12,929
whether she thinks the Trump v Biden

804
00:24:12,930 --> 00:24:15,189
case was correctly decided

805
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:17,269
that was a

806
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:19,249
Lawsuit brought by President Trump

807
00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:21,569
to overturn our 2020

808
00:24:21,570 --> 00:24:23,549
election There was no allegation by

809
00:24:23,550 --> 00:24:25,049
the way in that suit of voter fraud

810
00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:27,249
It was all on these procedures.

811
00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:29,209
That was only defeated by

812
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:31,389
our state Supreme Court by one

813
00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:33,109
vote. Our election hung in the

814
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:34,089
balance by one.

815
00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:36,069
My opponent will not say

816
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:37,909
whether that was correctly decided

817
00:24:37,910 --> 00:24:39,289
or whether our election should have

818
00:24:39,290 --> 00:24:40,169
been overturned.

819
00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:42,289
And I will say our election

820
00:24:42,290 --> 00:24:43,469
was valid,

821
00:24:44,770 --> 00:24:47,469
that Joe Biden did win,

822
00:24:47,470 --> 00:24:49,769
and that that's the state of the law

823
00:24:49,770 --> 00:24:51,729
in our country, and I support that

824
00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:52,649
100%.

825
00:24:52,650 --> 00:24:54,089
I think we should be looking

826
00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:55,529
forward, I don't think we shouldn't

827
00:24:55,530 --> 00:24:56,529
be looking back.

828
00:24:56,530 --> 00:24:58,389
I agree 100%

829
00:24:58,390 --> 00:25:00,229
of who won that election and how

830
00:25:00,230 --> 00:25:01,599
it was won.

831
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,479
You have both weighed in on

832
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,199
election issues as appeals court

833
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,579
judges and the Supreme Court has

834
00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:07,799
weighed in as well from President

835
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,479
Trump challenging the results of the

836
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,219
2020 election to Governor Evers

837
00:25:11,220 --> 00:25:12,859
attempting to postpone in-person

838
00:25:12,860 --> 00:25:14,839
voting during the pandemic.

839
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,199
So, Judge Taylor, what
election-related

840
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,939
issues should the court be prepared

841
00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:19,199
to address ahead of the midterm

842
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,879
elections?

843
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,699
Well, I'm very concerned

844
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:23,739
that we might have efforts to

845
00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:24,639
suppress the vote.

846
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,759
I don't know what's going to happen

847
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,159
with the SAVE Act.

848
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,959
I think that could cause a lot of

849
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,960
chaos.

850
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,779
I think there could be, I am hoping

851
00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:34,659
that we will continue

852
00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:36,699
to allow mail

853
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:37,819
and voting.

854
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:40,239
That would cause complete havoc.

855
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,939
But look, this is why we need a

856
00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:43,459
strong state Supreme Court that's

857
00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:45,399
going hold the federal government

858
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,299
accountable.

859
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:47,659
My opponent is going to be a rubber

860
00:25:47,660 --> 00:25:49,319
stamp for the federal government.

861
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:49,859
Gentlemen.

862
00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:51,899
I just absolutely have to

863
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:53,739
disagree. I have never been a

864
00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:55,079
rubber stamp for any side

865
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:55,919
whatsoever.

866
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,919
I'm not beholden to any party.

867
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,819
I'm a member of a party.

868
00:25:59,820 --> 00:26:01,839
My opponent is a Democrat.

869
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,719
She said as recently as

870
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,659
March of this year to a group of

871
00:26:05,660 --> 00:26:07,559
people as reported that she is

872
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,459
still a Democrat and the

873
00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:11,319
problem is when you look at this

874
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,019
election and you look at who's

875
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:14,939
donating money, my opponent has

876
00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:16,419
almost three quarters of a million

877
00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:18,379
dollars from the Democratic Party

878
00:26:18,380 --> 00:26:20,419
and she still to this day will

879
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:22,299
not say whether she will recuse if

880
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:24,139
they bring a case up in front of the

881
00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:24,999
state Supreme Court.

882
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,839
She's also not said if she

883
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,919
will be recuse, if the organization

884
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,619
where she was the policy advisor

885
00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:32,479
Planned Parenthood brings a case

886
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,979
up in from the state's Supreme Court

887
00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:35,839
and I will tell you when you look

888
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,699
at recusal the easy way for

889
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,239
people in the state to understand it

890
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,059
if you're picking a jury and

891
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:42,899
the jury member was a member

892
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:44,799
of a party or was

893
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,159
a member the company that's bringing

894
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,879
the lawsuit They're not on that

895
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,679
jury. Why would we want them on

896
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,459
that? Why would want them that case

897
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:52,269
as a judge?

898
00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:53,469
We'll get to her cues on them and

899
00:26:53,470 --> 00:26:53,890
any direct response.

900
00:26:53,891 --> 00:26:55,079
Sure, absolutely.

901
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,079
Well, I am so proud

902
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,119
of the tens of thousands

903
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,099
of grassroots supporters I

904
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:03,179
have supporting my campaign,

905
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:05,179
unlike my opponent.

906
00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:07,379
My average contribution is

907
00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:09,539
less than $100.

908
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:11,719
My opponent is being supported

909
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,599
by right-wing mega-donors.

910
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,759
That is who is for supporting her

911
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,829
campaign.

912
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:19,729
And they know she's going to be

913
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:20,589
their rubber stamp.

914
00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:22,269
So I am really proud.

915
00:27:22,270 --> 00:27:24,449
I want to run a strong grassroots

916
00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:25,469
campaign.

917
00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:27,449
My campaign is about the people of

918
00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:29,189
the state of Wisconsin.

919
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:31,929
My campaign and my

920
00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:33,829
whole commitment

921
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:35,669
to people in running is to be

922
00:27:35,670 --> 00:27:37,829
a justice for the people,

923
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:39,929
not the super wealthy,

924
00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:41,349
not the billionaires and the

925
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:42,629
millionaires, not the big

926
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:44,509
corporations, but the people of

927
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:45,459
the state of Wisconsin.

928
00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:47,199
I have to respond.

929
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,439
My opponent has raised over five

930
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,479
plus million dollars from outside

931
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,659
groups.

932
00:27:52,660 --> 00:27:53,799
Seventy-three percent of her money

933
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,759
comes from Wisconsin.

934
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,999
The rest is not.

935
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,599
I have not raised that amount of

936
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,619
money. I've always been an

937
00:27:59,620 --> 00:28:01,419
independent judge, independent

938
00:28:01,420 --> 00:28:03,339
justice. I have never stood

939
00:28:03,340 --> 00:28:05,239
for any party or any person

940
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,119
other than the facts and the law.

941
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,099
My opponent still is not telling you

942
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:11,019
whether she'd recuse from those

943
00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:12,999
mega-donors who donating to her

944
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,559
campaign.

945
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,159
Let's talk about recusal,

946
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,019
broader conflicts of interest here.

947
00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:21,739
Chief Justice Jill Korofsky will

948
00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:23,579
hold public hearings exploring

949
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:25,059
a potential new recusal rule

950
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:26,999
essentially forcing justices to

951
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,599
remove themselves from cases over a

952
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,019
potential conflict.

953
00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:31,439
Currently justices are not required

954
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,259
to recuse based solely on

955
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:35,339
campaign contributions, endorsements

956
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:37,299
or independent expenditures from

957
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:39,219
a party. Justice Lazar,

958
00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:40,539
do you support a stricter recusal

959
00:28:40,540 --> 00:28:42,389
rule and how far should it go?

960
00:28:42,390 --> 00:28:44,329
Well, I'm glad that

961
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:46,609
there is a recusal petition filed

962
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:48,749
by several retired judges in

963
00:28:48,750 --> 00:28:50,389
front of the state Supreme Court.

964
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:51,849
Recusal is such a difficult

965
00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:53,869
situation and it's something

966
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:56,049
where you have to not only recuse

967
00:28:56,050 --> 00:28:58,569
if you believe you have a bias,

968
00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:00,469
but you have recuse you believe

969
00:29:00,470 --> 00:29:02,209
that people looking at the case

970
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:03,429
would not think that they're getting

971
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:05,809
a fair opportunity to be heard.

972
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:07,769
My opponent has tons of

973
00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:09,649
money coming in and has ties

974
00:29:09,650 --> 00:29:11,509
to groups and has not said whether

975
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:13,609
she will recuse for those.

976
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:15,549
She tried to pass a law when she was

977
00:29:15,550 --> 00:29:17,129
in the legislature that said that

978
00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:18,949
and now she's disavowing that.

979
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:20,629
The key thing that I think is

980
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:22,969
important is recusal really

981
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:25,109
is tied to the integrity

982
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:27,269
of the judge or the justice.

983
00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:29,429
And I have spent the last 12

984
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:31,299
years as a judge.

985
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:33,139
Showing that I have that integrity

986
00:29:33,140 --> 00:29:34,999
and that independence I have

987
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,919
ruled against the state the district

988
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,699
attorney's office My old employer

989
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:40,379
the Department of Justice I have

990
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:41,879
rules against things that my

991
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,879
opponent would believe are

992
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,399
right-wing special interest groups

993
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,439
And I don't see the same thing

994
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,419
coming from my opponent who has

995
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:50,379
said to this day that she is an

996
00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:52,439
advocate and an activist Which

997
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,259
should disqualify her right

998
00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:55,019
off the bat from this

999
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:57,679
That is an absolute lie.

1000
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,839
An absolute lie, I have

1001
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,959
an incredible strong

1002
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,519
judicial record.

1003
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,439
Never have I said I'm

1004
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,639
an activist.

1005
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,619
Never have said I

1006
00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:10,739
am an advocate on the bench.

1007
00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:13,329
That is totally, totally improper.

1008
00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:15,009
Do you support a stricter recusal

1009
00:30:15,010 --> 00:30:16,129
rule and how far should that rule

1010
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:16,130
go?

1011
00:30:16,131 --> 00:30:17,929
I certainly think we should consider

1012
00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:19,429
it and I'm the only candidate

1013
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:21,249
running who wants to hear from

1014
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:23,009
the public on this issue.

1015
00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:24,549
I believe we should have public

1016
00:30:24,550 --> 00:30:26,489
hearings and let the public weigh

1017
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:28,369
in. It is so critically

1018
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:30,189
important that as judges

1019
00:30:30,190 --> 00:30:32,529
we have the confidence of

1020
00:30:32,530 --> 00:30:34,449
the public and so I am

1021
00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:36,209
looking forward to hearings and I do

1022
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:36,929
want to hear from them.

1023
00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:38,489
Why should the public believe that

1024
00:30:38,490 --> 00:30:39,490
you can police yourself?

1025
00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:41,949
I mean, that's a, it's, you know, we

1026
00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:43,309
have a judicial commission.

1027
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:44,389
I mean we do.

1028
00:30:44,390 --> 00:30:46,769
That you can file complaints against

1029
00:30:46,770 --> 00:30:48,609
judges. We can get complaints

1030
00:30:48,610 --> 00:30:49,809
filed against us.

1031
00:30:49,810 --> 00:30:52,029
So it's not like the federal system.

1032
00:30:52,030 --> 00:30:53,029
It's not the U.S.

1033
00:30:53,030 --> 00:30:54,109
Supreme Court.

1034
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:56,369
So we do have a system for

1035
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:57,370
complaints.

1036
00:30:58,110 --> 00:31:00,029
It's, it has been a

1037
00:31:00,030 --> 00:31:02,009
system that I don't

1038
00:31:02,010 --> 00:31:04,229
think is perfect by any means.

1039
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:05,829
I think we need to re-look at this

1040
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:07,489
system and try to make it stronger

1041
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:09,469
so that people have more confidence

1042
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:10,139
in what we do.

1043
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:11,839
Just as our quick response and to

1044
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,659
the point of the white voters should

1045
00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:14,459
believe that you could police

1046
00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:15,009
yourself

1047
00:31:15,010 --> 00:31:16,949
Well, I think looking at my record,

1048
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:18,409
the 12 years that I've been on this

1049
00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:19,949
bench, and all the rotations that I

1050
00:31:19,950 --> 00:31:21,849
have been in, and the fact that

1051
00:31:21,850 --> 00:31:23,829
I lived my life as an

1052
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:26,089
open book, you can go on my website,

1053
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:28,009
judgemarielazar.com, you can

1054
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:29,529
see what I've written about, about

1055
00:31:29,530 --> 00:31:31,369
my life, my opinions, where

1056
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:33,289
I stand on things, I recognize

1057
00:31:33,290 --> 00:31:34,809
that the state of Wisconsin wants to

1058
00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:36,709
hear from their judges and justices

1059
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:38,229
and their candidates, but I think

1060
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:39,609
that you have to look at the

1061
00:31:39,610 --> 00:31:40,869
integrity of the individual.

1062
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:42,709
And I have been,

1063
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:44,789
and I will always say, a total

1064
00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:46,209
Girl Scout in this matter.

1065
00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:47,189
In fact, I was.

1066
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:48,909
And I think that's so important.

1067
00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:50,729
You do have to trust the judge.

1068
00:31:50,730 --> 00:31:52,269
I am a lawyer's judge.

1069
00:31:52,270 --> 00:31:53,469
The lawyers who appear in front of

1070
00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:55,449
me respect me and appreciate

1071
00:31:55,450 --> 00:31:57,309
me. I have had no issues

1072
00:31:57,310 --> 00:31:59,189
whatsoever. And I will continue to

1073
00:31:59,190 --> 00:32:00,929
do that as a justice for the next

1074
00:32:00,930 --> 00:32:01,589
ten years.

1075
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:03,569
Well, abortion is again an issue in

1076
00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:04,689
this race. You both have talked

1077
00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:06,269
about it on the campaign trail and

1078
00:32:06,270 --> 00:32:07,629
in campaign ads.

1079
00:32:07,630 --> 00:32:09,429
In a 4-3 decision led by the court's

1080
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:10,729
liberal majority last summer, the

1081
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:12,709
court liberal justices invalidated

1082
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:14,789
the state's 1849 abortion

1083
00:32:14,790 --> 00:32:16,429
ban. To both of you, Judge Lazar

1084
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:17,329
will start with you.

1085
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:18,749
Would you have voted with the court'

1086
00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:20,189
liberal or conservative justices on

1087
00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:21,039
that and why?

1088
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,499
I think in that case,

1089
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:24,679
I'm not going to comment where I

1090
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,879
would have voted. I didn't really

1091
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,399
follow all the briefs and everything

1092
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,319
that happened.

1093
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,339
But I will tell you this, I totally

1094
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:32,579
100 percent

1095
00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:35,139
respect the decision that was made.

1096
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:36,579
I will honor that 20-week

1097
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:37,419
compromise.

1098
00:32:37,420 --> 00:32:39,319
I think that it falls within

1099
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,779
the parameters of where people in

1100
00:32:40,780 --> 00:32:42,439
the state believe it should be.

1101
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,319
And if they don't, the answer is

1102
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,199
to go to the legislature and the

1103
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,459
governor, not the courts.

1104
00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:49,299
My opponent, when she was in

1105
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,099
the legislature, said that she

1106
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,699
thought that it shouldn't be 20

1107
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:54,339
weeks or any type of restriction

1108
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:56,199
whatsoever, but that abortion should

1109
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,459
be allowed at any time

1110
00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:00,379
during the pregnancy, up to

1111
00:33:00,380 --> 00:33:01,379
the end.

1112
00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:02,819
And she still stands with that.

1113
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:04,639
And I think that is out of the

1114
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,119
mainstream for the people in this

1115
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:06,319
state.

1116
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,020
You can respond, but first, would

1117
00:33:08,021 --> 00:33:09,019
you have voted with the courts,

1118
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:10,099
liberal or conservative?

1119
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:12,159
I would have voted to not implement

1120
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,379
the 1849 criminal abortion

1121
00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:15,380
ban.

1122
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,879
It was superseded

1123
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,259
by a whole suite of

1124
00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:22,079
laws that directly conflicted

1125
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,339
with it.

1126
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:24,319
So I think it was the right

1127
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,039
decision. My opponent in the past

1128
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,959
has said on television that she

1129
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,339
would have likely voted with

1130
00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:32,239
the minority in that

1131
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,139
case to implement that

1132
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:36,439
1849 abortion

1133
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,839
ban I have worked...

1134
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,119
So much of my life as

1135
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,059
the policy and

1136
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:44,319
legal director for Planned

1137
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,479
Parenthood and in the legislature

1138
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,459
to protect

1139
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:50,559
a woman's ability to access

1140
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,439
reproductive health care and to

1141
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,519
make her own personal private

1142
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,559
health care decisions.

1143
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,099
I supported Roe vs.

1144
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:59,119
Wade.

1145
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,199
The legislation that I worked on

1146
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,199
in the legislature codified

1147
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,039
Roe v.

1148
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,939
Wade, which my opponent does not

1149
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:07,199
understand.

1150
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,279
Uh... And that's what it did that's

1151
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,779
all it did nobody supports

1152
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:13,759
what my opponent is

1153
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,718
saying nobody i want

1154
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,759
to say this there is no one

1155
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,759
more extreme ever

1156
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,899
to have been a to be a candidate on

1157
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:23,638
issues of reproductive health care

1158
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,759
then my opponent she called the

1159
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,959
overturning of roe versus wade

1160
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,779
very wise and you can look it

1161
00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:31,399
up on television she said it right

1162
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,379
on television She said she was

1163
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:34,580
likely to vote to support.

1164
00:34:34,581 --> 00:34:36,459
I'm going to respond, I did not say

1165
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:38,079
I was likely to vote, I didn't

1166
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,379
respond ever in that regard.

1167
00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:41,960
And what I said about Dobbs, which

1168
00:34:41,961 --> 00:34:43,479
is the decision that overturned Roe

1169
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,678
vs. Wade, is I said it was good

1170
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,599
that it brought that national

1171
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,919
ban and put it back into each

1172
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,238
individual state.

1173
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,099
So if California, where my opponent

1174
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:54,959
is from, or Ohio, or

1175
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,039
Texas, or Wisconsin,

1176
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,979
and their citizens want to

1177
00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:00,999
enact a law that they

1178
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,299
believe reflects their values,

1179
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,839
they do so through their

1180
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,639
legislators.

1181
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,739
It's not a national ban or

1182
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:10,099
national law or national line.

1183
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,039
So in Wisconsin it is now 20

1184
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,119
weeks and I am not the

1185
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,719
extreme candidate in this race.

1186
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,839
My opponent does have that law on

1187
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,979
the books of hers that did not pass

1188
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:21,879
saying at any time during

1189
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,819
the pregnancy.

1190
00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:24,839
It is there it's black and

1191
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,829
white.

1192
00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:27,709
Okay, so,

1193
00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:29,609
it is tragic that

1194
00:35:29,610 --> 00:35:31,829
we have someone running for

1195
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:33,889
the state Supreme Court that is

1196
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:36,209
celebrating that there are women all

1197
00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:38,409
over this country who are victims of

1198
00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:41,029
rape and incest to no longer.

1199
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:43,149
Able to get

1200
00:35:43,150 --> 00:35:44,869
access.

1201
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:45,889
Let me finish.

1202
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:48,029
That is what the reality

1203
00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:50,209
of overturning

1204
00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:51,249
Roe vs.

1205
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:53,269
Wade that you have called very wise.

1206
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:55,309
It's not been very wise for

1207
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:57,129
victims of rape and incest who now

1208
00:35:57,130 --> 00:35:59,129
live in states where abortion has

1209
00:35:59,130 --> 00:35:59,989
been outlawed.

1210
00:35:59,990 --> 00:36:01,829
It is not very wise to women who

1211
00:36:01,830 --> 00:36:03,929
have lost their lives in states

1212
00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:05,909
because they couldn't get help when

1213
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:07,669
a pregnancy You went wrong.

1214
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:09,809
I am a mother of two,

1215
00:36:09,810 --> 00:36:12,179
beloved. Children and

1216
00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:14,199
I and my husband went through

1217
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,119
a lot of heartache to have

1218
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,359
our children.

1219
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,659
There were a lot a tears shed but

1220
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:21,799
I got access to good medical

1221
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,119
care.

1222
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,039
I am so grateful for that but

1223
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,859
pregnancies go wrong all over

1224
00:36:26,860 --> 00:36:28,719
this state and I do not want

1225
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,179
women to suffer.

1226
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:32,199
I want them to get good

1227
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,279
medical care.

1228
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,279
My opponent is gonna take us

1229
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,119
backwards.

1230
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,459
I will take us forward.

1231
00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:40,699
That's absolutely ridiculous.

1232
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:42,459
This is exactly what we've been

1233
00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:43,559
doing in this campaign.

1234
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,199
It's the same old political

1235
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,819
playbook. If you don't have anything

1236
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:48,819
truthful to say about your opponent,

1237
00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:50,299
then just lie and mislead.

1238
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:52,819
I have never wanted women injured,

1239
00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:54,039
ever, ever.

1240
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,899
I have always said that

1241
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:57,659
the health and life of the mother is

1242
00:36:57,660 --> 00:36:59,359
the most important thing.

1243
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,259
I have said that after

1244
00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:03,319
that 20-week compromise, there are

1245
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,899
restrictions or limitations that

1246
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:07,179
talk about with your doctor,

1247
00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:08,679
not your legislator, with your

1248
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,099
doctor. And to say that I'm extreme,

1249
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:13,199
that I want women to die or suffer,

1250
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,239
my opponent has been saying that

1251
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,469
from the beginning and that is

1252
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:17,269
Absurd.

1253
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:19,889
That's the reality of

1254
00:37:19,890 --> 00:37:21,729
the reversal of Roe vs.

1255
00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:23,629
Wade, which my opponent called very

1256
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:24,509
wise, and it is tragic.

1257
00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:26,409
I do want to ask you about what you

1258
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:27,710
said. You said on the issue, I

1259
00:37:27,711 --> 00:37:29,449
commit to upholding Wisconsin's

1260
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:30,949
current 20-week consensus, not

1261
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:32,669
because of personal politics, but

1262
00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:34,609
because it is the settled law of our

1263
00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:36,349
state. So if a challenge to this law

1264
00:37:36,350 --> 00:37:38,349
is brought before the court,

1265
00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:39,709
have you essentially prejudged the

1266
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:40,029
case?

1267
00:37:40,030 --> 00:37:42,129
Not at all, not at

1268
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:44,509
all. What I've said there is,

1269
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:46,189
if the people of my state of

1270
00:37:46,190 --> 00:37:48,069
Wisconsin go through their

1271
00:37:48,070 --> 00:37:49,809
legislators and decide that they

1272
00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:51,589
want to change it, if not 20 weeks,

1273
00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:53,649
make it 18, 22, whatever they

1274
00:37:53,650 --> 00:37:55,529
want to do, and then the

1275
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:57,549
legislature passes a law that

1276
00:37:57,550 --> 00:37:59,589
the governor signs, and

1277
00:37:59,590 --> 00:38:01,369
it comes to the court, and I'm on

1278
00:38:01,370 --> 00:38:03,169
the state Supreme Court, that's a

1279
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:04,549
law that, one, would have a

1280
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:06,489
presumption of constitutionality,

1281
00:38:06,490 --> 00:38:08,109
and that's what I would start with.

1282
00:38:08,110 --> 00:38:09,669
And then I would do, you know, I

1283
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:11,369
find it really interesting in these

1284
00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:13,249
elections that everyone talks about

1285
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:15,189
these hot button issues, and

1286
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:17,249
no one talks about the fact that I

1287
00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:19,489
decide every case exactly

1288
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:20,369
the same way.

1289
00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:22,229
I don't care if it's abortion,

1290
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:24,369
redistricting, election related,

1291
00:38:24,370 --> 00:38:25,869
or if it is about termination of

1292
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:27,949
parental rights or burdens of proof.

1293
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:29,509
I decide them the same.

1294
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:31,369
I look at the law, I look

1295
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:33,829
the facts, and I make a reasoned,

1296
00:38:33,830 --> 00:38:35,769
determined determination

1297
00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:37,609
that is based upon those

1298
00:38:37,610 --> 00:38:39,009
two things.

1299
00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:40,629
So if there's a law that's passed

1300
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:42,369
and it's changed and it comes to the

1301
00:38:42,370 --> 00:38:44,229
court and it is constitutional, I

1302
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:44,999
will uphold it.

1303
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,499
Judge Taylor, you previously served

1304
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:47,919
as Public Policy Director for

1305
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,719
Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin and

1306
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:51,199
have long advocated for abortion

1307
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,459
rights as a Democratic state

1308
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:53,419
lawmaker.

1309
00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:55,019
How could an anti-abortion group

1310
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:56,399
expect to receive a fair hearing

1311
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:56,809
from you?

1312
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:58,709
Because I have a six-year

1313
00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:00,729
history of being a fair

1314
00:39:00,730 --> 00:39:02,809
and impartial judge,

1315
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:04,749
I am scrupulous in applying

1316
00:39:04,750 --> 00:39:05,769
the law.

1317
00:39:05,770 --> 00:39:07,829
I have issued hundreds

1318
00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:09,509
of decisions.

1319
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:11,529
I've heard thousands of cases on

1320
00:39:11,530 --> 00:39:12,429
the circuit court.

1321
00:39:12,430 --> 00:39:14,449
I have never, not one

1322
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:16,489
time, been reversed,

1323
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:18,749
unlike my opponent, who refuses

1324
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:20,219
to apply the law.

1325
00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:22,299
And pursues an agenda

1326
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:24,419
that benefits corporations and

1327
00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:26,019
right wing special interests.

1328
00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:28,079
So I have a really strong

1329
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,899
judicial record and

1330
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:31,839
if I thought that I

1331
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,859
couldn't be fair and impartial

1332
00:39:33,860 --> 00:39:35,779
on a case, whatever that case

1333
00:39:35,780 --> 00:39:37,839
may be, I would recuse myself.

1334
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,179
Would you recuse yourself from any

1335
00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:40,649
case involving Planned Parenthood?

1336
00:39:40,650 --> 00:39:42,129
I have not worked for Planned

1337
00:39:42,130 --> 00:39:44,549
Parenthood in 15 years.

1338
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:46,589
I have worked for various law

1339
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:48,929
firms longer than that.

1340
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:50,829
No, I'm sure my opponent

1341
00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:52,769
would not recuse herself from

1342
00:39:52,770 --> 00:39:54,289
the corporate law firm that she

1343
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:56,669
worked for because it's been so

1344
00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:58,609
long. So I'm not going

1345
00:39:58,610 --> 00:40:00,469
to automatically recuse myself

1346
00:40:00,470 --> 00:40:02,529
on any area of law that I

1347
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:04,749
practiced in. I will follow the

1348
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:06,689
statutes and the judicial code of

1349
00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:08,609
ethics, which I always do.

1350
00:40:08,610 --> 00:40:10,549
And if I feel I cannot

1351
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:12,429
be fair and impartial that

1352
00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:14,209
is the basis for recusal and I will

1353
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:15,689
continue to do that on the state

1354
00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:16,229
Supreme Court.

1355
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:17,809
And I'd like to respond to two

1356
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:19,769
things. One, I do recuse when

1357
00:40:19,770 --> 00:40:21,629
my partners in my law firm that

1358
00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:23,649
I haven't been at for I

1359
00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:25,629
would say maybe 25 plus years

1360
00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:27,149
would come in front of me, I do

1361
00:40:27,150 --> 00:40:29,049
recue. And second,

1362
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:30,909
I guess my opponent, when she gets a

1363
00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:32,249
few more years of judicial

1364
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:34,069
experience under her belt, will

1365
00:40:34,070 --> 00:40:35,989
understand that reversals, as I've

1366
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:38,189
said, are an integral and

1367
00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:39,889
part of the court system and they

1368
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:41,329
show that you are an independent

1369
00:40:41,330 --> 00:40:43,409
justice or judge.

1370
00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:44,509
Now, you had another question.

1371
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:45,389
I apologize.

1372
00:40:45,390 --> 00:40:45,491
Not when you got caught.

1373
00:40:45,492 --> 00:40:46,409
Question. I apologize. Not when you
are called

1374
00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:48,349
out by five members of

1375
00:40:48,350 --> 00:40:50,709
the state Supreme Court for

1376
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:53,049
deliberately and patently

1377
00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:55,409
disregarding precedent.

1378
00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:57,249
And everyone can read the decision.

1379
00:40:57,250 --> 00:40:59,029
And I wish they do, and I hope they

1380
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:59,949
will.

1381
00:40:59,950 --> 00:41:00,909
Yes, thank you.

1382
00:41:00,910 --> 00:41:02,470
As assistant attorney general, you

1383
00:41:02,471 --> 00:41:04,369
represented the case and the

1384
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:06,289
state, excuse me, in a case filed by

1385
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:07,209
Planned Parenthood.

1386
00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:08,809
Would you then recuse yourself from

1387
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:10,409
any case involving the current law

1388
00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:11,749
or Planned ParenthOOD?

1389
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:13,609
So the case that I

1390
00:41:13,610 --> 00:41:15,029
was involved with had to do with

1391
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:16,829
admitting privileges for doctors

1392
00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:18,889
where the legislature

1393
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:20,769
wasn't concerned that doctors

1394
00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:22,729
performing abortions did not have

1395
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:24,709
admitting privileges at hospitals so

1396
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:25,949
that women, if they had

1397
00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:27,869
complications or were injured or

1398
00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:29,469
hurt, would not have anyone to go

1399
00:41:29,470 --> 00:41:30,789
with them to that hospital.

1400
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:32,189
If that case about admitting

1401
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:34,699
privileges came up, of course.

1402
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:36,799
That's exactly what you do as

1403
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,559
an independent justice.

1404
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,439
You recuse on cases you are

1405
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,619
involved in or companies that

1406
00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:43,519
you work for.

1407
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,379
Quickly to both of you and and we'll

1408
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:47,239
move on if the legislature passed

1409
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,099
a stricter abortion ban say six

1410
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:51,179
weeks known as a fetal Heartbeat law

1411
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:52,939
judge Taylor is there a scenario you

1412
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:54,459
would uphold that?

1413
00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:56,499
It's so hard to

1414
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:58,579
say based on a

1415
00:41:58,580 --> 00:41:59,619
hypothetical.

1416
00:41:59,620 --> 00:42:01,899
You have to see the case.

1417
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:03,519
You've got to apply the law.

1418
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,339
We have never had a decision

1419
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:07,379
in the state of Wisconsin looking at

1420
00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:08,979
the Constitution.

1421
00:42:08,980 --> 00:42:10,979
So I can't say

1422
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:11,859
yes or no.

1423
00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:13,439
I mean, we're not supposed to

1424
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,899
prejudge cases like that.

1425
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:17,299
But what I can say is

1426
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:19,479
I value every

1427
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,299
woman's ability to

1428
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,239
access reproductive healthcare and

1429
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,319
make her own personal private health

1430
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,179
care decisions.

1431
00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:27,819
When my opponent was representing

1432
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:29,819
Scott Walker and defending that

1433
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:31,799
admitting privilege as law,

1434
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,159
thankfully it was struck down by the

1435
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,859
Seventh Circuit. If it hadn't been,

1436
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:36,599
it would have eliminated abortion

1437
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,329
access for Wisconsin women.

1438
00:42:38,330 --> 00:42:39,949
A response in it if the legislature

1439
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:40,550
passed a stricter.

1440
00:42:40,551 --> 00:42:42,409
And I would say, one,

1441
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:44,389
again, it's a hypothetical, but two,

1442
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:45,849
I don't believe that the people in

1443
00:42:45,850 --> 00:42:47,709
the state would accept that limit.

1444
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:49,889
That's a little too close.

1445
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:51,229
What I...

1446
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:53,349
It's a little too early

1447
00:42:53,350 --> 00:42:54,949
in the pregnancy.

1448
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:56,709
But I think the important thing here

1449
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:58,629
to remember is, when I worked

1450
00:42:58,630 --> 00:43:00,389
for the Department of Justice, I was

1451
00:43:00,390 --> 00:43:01,989
an attorney. I was a advocate.

1452
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:04,089
I never worked for Scott Walker.

1453
00:43:04,090 --> 00:43:05,209
I guess you've got to get that

1454
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:06,549
straight, too.

1455
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:07,789
I worked with the Department Of

1456
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:08,569
Justice.

1457
00:43:08,570 --> 00:43:10,289
I represented Scott Walker, I

1458
00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:12,469
represented Tony Evers, I represent

1459
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:14,309
Doug the Follett, I represented

1460
00:43:14,310 --> 00:43:16,249
the legislature, I represented

1461
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:18,259
anyone who was...

1462
00:43:18,260 --> 00:43:19,539
Had to be represented by the

1463
00:43:19,540 --> 00:43:21,079
Department of Justice, including the

1464
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,039
Department of Children and Families.

1465
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,459
So I don't understand this

1466
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:27,479
issue raised about what I've done

1467
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,239
there. I was an advocate and you

1468
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,059
know what? I wanted to win all of

1469
00:43:31,060 --> 00:43:32,819
my cases because that's what a good

1470
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:33,759
attorney does.

1471
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,159
As a judge, you step back.

1472
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,099
As a legislator, you should never be

1473
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:38,439
on the back.

1474
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,059
One more quick hypothetical, which I

1475
00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:41,699
know judges love and you both love.

1476
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:41,740
Go ahead.

1477
00:43:41,741 --> 00:43:42,840
Go ahead, bring it on.

1478
00:43:42,841 --> 00:43:44,689
Reversed to what we just did if the

1479
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:46,229
legislature removed any and all

1480
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:47,449
restrictions to abortion in

1481
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:49,269
Wisconsin Judge Lazar is there

1482
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:50,879
a scenario you would uphold that?

1483
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,879
I would again, one, you're talking

1484
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,459
about a hypothetical, but I would

1485
00:43:54,460 --> 00:43:56,379
look to the law, look to

1486
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:57,719
see if it was constitutional,

1487
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,199
and if that's what the people voted

1488
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,199
for, and it was Constitutional,

1489
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,299
but, I can't really say exactly

1490
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:07,939
where I would go, again, I'm

1491
00:44:07,940 --> 00:44:09,099
thinking you're throwing these

1492
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:10,479
hypotheticals that just really will

1493
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,919
never happen, it's never going to be

1494
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,699
that extreme or this extreme, it is

1495
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:15,639
going to where we are, The 20 we

1496
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,069
compromise, not at any time.

1497
00:44:17,070 --> 00:44:18,599
And Judge Taylor, quick.

1498
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,299
I would say the same thing.

1499
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:22,319
I do want to say that my

1500
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,679
opponent seems to have forgotten

1501
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,679
that she, there was

1502
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,659
a recording of her talking to

1503
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:30,079
some of her supporters

1504
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,999
where she did say that

1505
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,859
perhaps a fatal heart.

1506
00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:35,579
And this is, you can go look this up

1507
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:36,579
and read the Milwaukee Journal

1508
00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:38,779
Sentinel, there was

1509
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:40,999
a big article about it where she

1510
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,959
contemplated that perhaps

1511
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,139
a heartbeat bill was

1512
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:47,059
a good compromise.

1513
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:48,999
That's exactly what she said, it's

1514
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,559
on a recording. What I said on the

1515
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:50,740
recording was...

1516
00:44:50,741 --> 00:44:51,649
What I said on the recording was, I
didn't

1517
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:52,769
know where people in Wisconsin

1518
00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:53,569
stood.

1519
00:44:53,570 --> 00:44:54,689
Some people wanted it from the

1520
00:44:54,690 --> 00:44:56,049
beginning, some people wanted at all

1521
00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:57,529
at the end, some people may have

1522
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:58,349
wanted the heartbeat.

1523
00:44:58,350 --> 00:45:00,549
I said that's for them to decide.

1524
00:45:00,550 --> 00:45:01,829
Let's move on.

1525
00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:03,249
Another challenge to Act 10 is

1526
00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:04,569
making its way through the courts,

1527
00:45:04,570 --> 00:45:06,429
the 2011 law signed by then-Governor

1528
00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:07,909
Scott Walker, eliminating collective

1529
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:09,089
bargaining for most public

1530
00:45:09,090 --> 00:45:10,169
employees.

1531
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:12,209
A Dane County judge has ruled key

1532
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:13,389
provisions of the law

1533
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:14,829
unconstitutional.

1534
00:45:14,830 --> 00:45:16,349
The High Court has denied a request

1535
00:45:16,350 --> 00:45:18,029
to bypass the Court of Appeals,

1536
00:45:18,030 --> 00:45:19,249
where it remains.

1537
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:20,689
It will, though, still likely end up

1538
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:22,169
before the High Court.

1539
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:24,069
Judge Lazar, you defended Act 10 as

1540
00:45:24,070 --> 00:45:25,159
an assistant attorney general.

1541
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,439
Actually, I'll correct that, but go

1542
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,839
ahead. Go ahead.

1543
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,839
I didn't defend Act 10 as an

1544
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,139
assistant attorney general.

1545
00:45:31,140 --> 00:45:33,159
All I did was defend the case

1546
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,159
where the question was, was the law

1547
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,439
properly enacted?

1548
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,979
When it got to the merits, I had

1549
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:39,519
nothing to do with any of those

1550
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,339
cases. It was just, did

1551
00:45:41,340 --> 00:45:42,839
Doug LaFollette enact the law,

1552
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,239
properly? And the State Supreme

1553
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:45,259
Court said he did.

1554
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:46,229
That's all I did.

1555
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:47,709
As a justice, would you recuse

1556
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:48,659
yourself from this current case?

1557
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:50,579
If the case has to do with whether

1558
00:45:50,580 --> 00:45:52,459
it was properly enacted, yes,

1559
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:53,979
if it has to do with the merits,

1560
00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:55,419
there's no basis for me to do so

1561
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:56,139
whatsoever.

1562
00:45:56,140 --> 00:45:57,459
Judge Taylor, you've been outspoken

1563
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:59,179
in your opposition to Act 10 as a

1564
00:45:59,180 --> 00:46:00,719
Democratic state lawmaker.

1565
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,259
Do you believe that Act 10 is

1566
00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:03,859
unconstitutional, and would you

1567
00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:04,259
recuse yourself?

1568
00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:06,159
Well, I did not come into

1569
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,039
the legislature until after Act

1570
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:08,999
10 was passed.

1571
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,599
I was actually elected after it.

1572
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,499
And it is a pending case that

1573
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:16,199
could appear, it could come before

1574
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,959
us. I think it's in, I don't know if

1575
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,119
it's your district, it's

1576
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,999
not in the Court of Appeals in

1577
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,019
front of me, but it certainly

1578
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:25,859
could come to the State Supreme

1579
00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:26,139
Court.

1580
00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:27,399
Would you recuse yourself from the

1581
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:27,699
case?

1582
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:29,679
I mean, I've never said

1583
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,719
anything about the

1584
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,559
legal merits of

1585
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,939
it, nothing about the

1586
00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:36,859
constitutionality of it.

1587
00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:38,819
I will say that

1588
00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:40,899
I very

1589
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:42,999
much value the rights

1590
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,979
of working people to

1591
00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:47,039
be fairly compensated.

1592
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,899
My grandmother was

1593
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,419
a single mom to my mother and

1594
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:53,559
struggled to make ends meet until

1595
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,399
she got a union job and she

1596
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,789
was able to earn.

1597
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:58,769
A decent wage and she was able

1598
00:46:58,770 --> 00:47:00,549
to support 3 kids on her own and

1599
00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:02,129
help my mom go to college and that

1600
00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:04,009
inspired me to go to law school.

1601
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:06,109
So I value very much

1602
00:47:06,110 --> 00:47:08,229
working people being able

1603
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:10,229
to get a slice of the pie they

1604
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:12,049
help make and not just the crumbs,

1605
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:13,509
it seems the only people doing well

1606
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:15,109
these days are millionaires and

1607
00:47:15,110 --> 00:47:16,389
billionaires. And that's a

1608
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:18,089
legislative answer, not a judicial

1609
00:47:18,090 --> 00:47:19,709
one. But yes, it's not a judge's

1610
00:47:19,710 --> 00:47:20,710
answer.

1611
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:23,519
And values do not belong

1612
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,979
with a judge on the court.

1613
00:47:25,980 --> 00:47:27,579
Values are not what's supposed to be

1614
00:47:27,580 --> 00:47:28,580
there.

1615
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:30,739
A good judge respects

1616
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:31,740
the law.

1617
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,799
An activist judge respects her

1618
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,039
causes.

1619
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,260
Yes, go ahead.

1620
00:47:35,261 --> 00:47:37,069
Before the second District Court of

1621
00:47:37,070 --> 00:47:38,069
Appeals. I'm assuming you can't tell

1622
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:39,149
us if you've been assigned to that

1623
00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:39,150
case.

1624
00:47:39,151 --> 00:47:40,409
I can't tell you if I have or have

1625
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:40,729
not.

1626
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:42,749
I do want to

1627
00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:43,749
move on.

1628
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:44,989
Judge Lazar, you've said that you

1629
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:46,669
tell new judges you are in charge of

1630
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:47,989
your courtroom when talking with

1631
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:50,389
them about taking the bench.

1632
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:52,029
In December, a federal jury found

1633
00:47:52,030 --> 00:47:53,789
former Milwaukee County Judge Hannah

1634
00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:55,469
Dugan guilty of a felony for

1635
00:47:55,470 --> 00:47:56,749
obstructing federal immigration

1636
00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:58,169
officials attempting to make an

1637
00:47:58,170 --> 00:47:59,689
immigration arrest inside the

1638
00:47:59,690 --> 00:48:00,649
courthouse.

1639
00:48:00,650 --> 00:48:02,249
Duggan is currently appealing.

1640
00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:03,849
The arrest and prosecution, though,

1641
00:48:03,850 --> 00:48:05,409
sparked nationwide debate and

1642
00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:07,349
controversy surrounding the power of

1643
00:48:07,350 --> 00:48:08,309
judges.

1644
00:48:08,310 --> 00:48:09,629
Judge Taylor, did the jury make the

1645
00:48:09,630 --> 00:48:11,279
right decision in that case.

1646
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,319
You know, I do have great faith

1647
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,039
in the jury system.

1648
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,639
I was not in the courtroom, though.

1649
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,819
I was the judge who presided over

1650
00:48:18,820 --> 00:48:19,879
that case.

1651
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,699
But as a former circuit court

1652
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:23,939
judge who presiding over dozens

1653
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:26,019
and dozens of complicated

1654
00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:28,019
criminal cases, I do

1655
00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:30,279
have the faith in juries,

1656
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,879
typically, in my own experience.

1657
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,880
Now,

1658
00:48:35,090 --> 00:48:37,189
that the judge in that

1659
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:39,769
case got a fair process,

1660
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:41,309
which is what we wanted.

1661
00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:42,909
She got due process, which

1662
00:48:42,910 --> 00:48:44,669
everybody's entitled to.

1663
00:48:44,670 --> 00:48:46,389
That case is now on appeal.

1664
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:47,769
I'm not sure how it's going to come

1665
00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:49,189
out.

1666
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:51,449
But I do have great confidence

1667
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:52,369
in our judicial system.

1668
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:54,049
Judge Lizard, did the jury make the

1669
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:54,210
right decision?

1670
00:48:54,211 --> 00:48:55,879
And I'll say I'm not going to

1671
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:56,939
comment on whether they did or

1672
00:48:56,940 --> 00:48:58,959
didn't and I will also say that I

1673
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,839
also have presided over

1674
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,819
a lot of jury trials and

1675
00:49:02,820 --> 00:49:04,139
I would say as opposed to my

1676
00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:05,499
opponent who was in the criminal

1677
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:07,659
rotation, I was in civil,

1678
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:09,039
criminal, juvenile, mental

1679
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,859
commitments and I presided on trials

1680
00:49:10,860 --> 00:49:13,079
in all of them in my seven years

1681
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,919
as opposed my opponent's two years.

1682
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,779
And I will tell you that in

1683
00:49:16,780 --> 00:49:19,019
almost every case that I had,

1684
00:49:19,020 --> 00:49:20,899
when you gave that case to the jury.

1685
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:22,139
They did their job.

1686
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:23,399
They tried hard.

1687
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,039
They did a good job.

1688
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,619
And I respect juries.

1689
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:27,279
100%

1690
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,699
And a quick follow-up, do you think

1691
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:30,099
the FBI should have arrested Judge

1692
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:31,399
Dugan in the first place?

1693
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,219
I have no comment on that whatsoever

1694
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:34,549
that case is still pending

1695
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:35,549
Thank you. Bye.

1696
00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:38,009
I have been concerned about

1697
00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:39,949
how the federal government

1698
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:42,009
has gone after judges.

1699
00:49:42,010 --> 00:49:43,409
We just heard it recently.

1700
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:46,429
Judges have been threatened with

1701
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:48,509
impeachment when the

1702
00:49:48,510 --> 00:49:50,449
executive doesn't like the

1703
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:51,469
decisions that they make.

1704
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:53,109
I think there's been a real attack

1705
00:49:53,110 --> 00:49:55,289
on the independence of judges.

1706
00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:57,329
I am fiercely independent, I

1707
00:49:57,330 --> 00:49:59,649
will resist any overreach

1708
00:49:59,650 --> 00:50:01,929
the federal government that

1709
00:50:01,930 --> 00:50:03,829
tries to interfere in the

1710
00:50:03,830 --> 00:50:04,889
independence of our state.

1711
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:06,689
So that is a real issue.

1712
00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:08,949
There have been threats to judges,

1713
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:10,869
there's been rhetoric that

1714
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:12,089
I don't like.

1715
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:14,129
Judges are just trying to do their

1716
00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:16,149
job. So I think the manner in which

1717
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:18,769
Judge Dugan was arrested created

1718
00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:20,669
a spectacle and it didn't need to

1719
00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:21,609
happen that way.

1720
00:50:21,610 --> 00:50:22,689
And that was concerning.

1721
00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:22,849
Thank you.

1722
00:50:22,850 --> 00:50:23,909
Do you have any concerns about

1723
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:24,669
federal overreach?

1724
00:50:24,670 --> 00:50:26,629
And I do have concerns, I

1725
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:28,149
would say, with respect to the

1726
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:29,809
safety and security of judges.

1727
00:50:29,810 --> 00:50:31,689
I also do not like when

1728
00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:33,529
we have politicians on any

1729
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:35,409
side making insulting

1730
00:50:35,410 --> 00:50:37,849
comments to the independence or

1731
00:50:37,850 --> 00:50:39,639
decisions made by judges.

1732
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,539
We all try so

1733
00:50:41,540 --> 00:50:43,699
hard to get everything right.

1734
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:45,679
A judge's life is difficult and

1735
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,199
it does not help when you have

1736
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,419
politicians or anyone else

1737
00:50:49,420 --> 00:50:50,899
insulting judges.

1738
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:52,959
Judges are under significant threats

1739
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,919
and I've actually spoken

1740
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,779
on that behalf in front of

1741
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:58,619
our state legislator later to

1742
00:50:58,620 --> 00:51:00,039
try to get the judicial security

1743
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,039
package done.

1744
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,919
And I think it's so key and

1745
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,679
important to the independence of

1746
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,829
that third branch of our government.

1747
00:51:06,830 --> 00:51:08,229
Let's move on to Marcy's law.

1748
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:10,049
It will continue to impact our

1749
00:51:10,050 --> 00:51:11,469
courts. Wisconsin voters approved

1750
00:51:11,470 --> 00:51:12,789
the constitutional amendment with

1751
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:14,989
about 75 percent of the vote.

1752
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:16,429
The goal was to expand and

1753
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:17,609
strengthen the rights of crime

1754
00:51:17,610 --> 00:51:18,509
victims.

1755
00:51:18,510 --> 00:51:19,469
Judge Taylor, you voted against

1756
00:51:19,470 --> 00:51:21,249
Marcy' law twice in the legislature.

1757
00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:22,349
Why?

1758
00:51:22,350 --> 00:51:24,229
I have worked my entire

1759
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:26,429
life for victims of

1760
00:51:26,430 --> 00:51:28,089
domestic violence and sexual

1761
00:51:28,090 --> 00:51:29,809
assault. Starting when I was in

1762
00:51:29,810 --> 00:51:31,849
college, I worked for a domestic

1763
00:51:31,850 --> 00:51:33,829
violence advocacy group.

1764
00:51:33,830 --> 00:51:36,089
In law school, I facilitated

1765
00:51:36,090 --> 00:51:38,449
a support group for survivors

1766
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:40,369
of sexual assault at

1767
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:41,569
Planned Parenthood.

1768
00:51:41,570 --> 00:51:43,629
I worked to make sure sexual assault

1769
00:51:43,630 --> 00:51:45,769
victims got access to emergency

1770
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:47,789
contraception in the hospital

1771
00:51:47,790 --> 00:51:49,249
emergency rooms to prevent

1772
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:50,389
pregnancy.

1773
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:52,389
And in the legislature I worked

1774
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:54,689
on several really important

1775
00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:56,709
pieces of legislation to

1776
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:58,749
protect victims of domestic

1777
00:51:58,750 --> 00:52:00,389
violence. Now in this particular

1778
00:52:00,390 --> 00:52:02,349
case

1779
00:52:02,350 --> 00:52:04,549
many of the advocacy,

1780
00:52:04,550 --> 00:52:05,889
the domestic violence advocacy

1781
00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:07,789
groups that I had worked with had

1782
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:09,769
real concerns with the bill.

1783
00:52:09,770 --> 00:52:11,859
It was not funded.

1784
00:52:11,860 --> 00:52:13,759
And they were concerned

1785
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,199
that it would slow down justice for

1786
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,079
individuals who opted

1787
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,519
to participate in the judicial

1788
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,419
system. Now, as it did pass,

1789
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:22,619
I respect that.

1790
00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:24,839
I respect the will of the voters.

1791
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,799
I implemented it as a

1792
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,119
circuit court judge.

1793
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,979
I treated every person who

1794
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:32,079
came into the courtroom with dignity

1795
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:32,939
and respect.

1796
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:34,759
In fact, I still get

1797
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,559
letters from victims who

1798
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,799
are very grateful for

1799
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,039
how they were treated and considered

1800
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,439
in the courtroom, so I treat

1801
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:44,429
everybody.

1802
00:52:44,430 --> 00:52:45,709
Given that, do you regret your

1803
00:52:45,710 --> 00:52:46,239
votes?

1804
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,379
No, I don't regret, I think

1805
00:52:48,380 --> 00:52:50,319
at the time it

1806
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:51,440
was the right vote.

1807
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,579
I was a legislator who did

1808
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:57,119
a lot of research and

1809
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,699
everyone who I worked with in the

1810
00:52:58,700 --> 00:52:59,919
legislature will probably tell you

1811
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,839
that. I didn't just vote because

1812
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,959
everybody was voting.

1813
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,439
I really wanted to do the right

1814
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,479
thing and when I heard concerns

1815
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,459
from the very people,

1816
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:09,919
the domestic violence advocates I

1817
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,159
had worked with, in so many

1818
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,119
different capacities, that caused

1819
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,319
me to hesitate.

1820
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,599
Judge was our critics have

1821
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:16,879
challenged the wording on the ballot

1822
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,479
is unclear and insufficient the

1823
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,799
court though in a 6 to 1 really

1824
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,639
disagreed with that it has

1825
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,219
led to some questions including new

1826
00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:24,639
debates about what information

1827
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,659
should be made public and when

1828
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:28,359
are there any negative unintended

1829
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,209
consequences to Marcy's law.

1830
00:53:30,210 --> 00:53:31,929
Well I think first of all my

1831
00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:34,329
opponent didn't really explain that

1832
00:53:34,330 --> 00:53:36,189
she did vote against it and it was

1833
00:53:36,190 --> 00:53:37,289
something that should not have been

1834
00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:39,249
done. It is a very good strong

1835
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:41,249
law. There are some issues that

1836
00:53:41,250 --> 00:53:43,249
still, when a law is

1837
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:44,169
passed there are a lot of things

1838
00:53:44,170 --> 00:53:45,469
that work their way through the

1839
00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:47,089
courts and there are lot of issues

1840
00:53:47,090 --> 00:53:49,069
that don't sometimes have

1841
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:51,169
the proper perspective

1842
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:52,189
when they're drafted.

1843
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:53,749
It's not like we have lawyers in our

1844
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:55,669
legislature drafting most of

1845
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:57,389
these bills. There are some issues

1846
00:53:57,390 --> 00:53:59,429
that have come up in my practice

1847
00:53:59,430 --> 00:54:00,209
with Marcy's Law.

1848
00:54:00,210 --> 00:54:02,009
I was on committees for victims'

1849
00:54:02,010 --> 00:54:03,989
rights before it was passed, during

1850
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:05,949
that time, and then I implemented it

1851
00:54:05,950 --> 00:54:07,669
as presiding judge and criminal.

1852
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:09,549
So I think there are some points

1853
00:54:09,550 --> 00:54:11,409
that will have to be addressed,

1854
00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:13,689
but overall it has been

1855
00:54:13,690 --> 00:54:15,969
astonishingly effective and

1856
00:54:15,970 --> 00:54:18,069
important and a necessary thing

1857
00:54:18,070 --> 00:54:20,189
that we give to our victims who

1858
00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:22,049
are suffering through

1859
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:24,069
the crime itself and then a judicial

1860
00:54:24,070 --> 00:54:26,309
system that respect them and

1861
00:54:26,310 --> 00:54:27,829
give them the dignity that they're

1862
00:54:27,830 --> 00:54:28,719
entitled to.

1863
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,679
We are coming up close to the top of

1864
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,519
the hour, so we're going to wrap

1865
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:33,659
things up here shortly.

1866
00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:35,019
I do want to ask about fundraising

1867
00:54:35,020 --> 00:54:35,859
though.

1868
00:54:35,860 --> 00:54:37,199
WISPolitics has tallied the latest

1869
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,819
spending in the race, nearly $8

1870
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:40,919
million in support of Judge Taylor

1871
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,839
and nearly $1 million in the

1872
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,219
support of Judge Lazar, a far cry

1873
00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:46,099
from the $115 million

1874
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:48,539
in last year's Supreme Court race.

1875
00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:49,839
Judge Lazar conservative groups

1876
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,419
spent tens of millions last year to

1877
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:52,939
help Brad Schimel but haven't done

1878
00:54:52,940 --> 00:54:54,239
the same with you.

1879
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:55,599
Is it because they don't think you

1880
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,059
can win or because you've said

1881
00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:58,249
you're not Republican.

1882
00:54:58,250 --> 00:55:00,249
Well, one, I can win,

1883
00:55:00,250 --> 00:55:02,129
I will win, and two,

1884
00:55:02,130 --> 00:55:03,949
the reason why is I'm running not

1885
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:05,789
as a conservative, I've never been a

1886
00:55:05,790 --> 00:55:06,969
member of a party, so I'm not a

1887
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,809
Republican, and I'm a running as an

1888
00:55:08,810 --> 00:55:10,369
independent. I think that's the key

1889
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:12,549
here. I'm getting support and

1890
00:55:12,550 --> 00:55:14,309
a big momentum and groundswell from

1891
00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:16,409
people in this state who are tired

1892
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:18,289
of seeing the politicization

1893
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:20,149
of our state Supreme Court, and

1894
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:21,949
they actually want a candidate who

1895
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:23,969
cares about the law and

1896
00:55:23,970 --> 00:55:25,749
not just causes or political

1897
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:26,079
parties.

1898
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,599
But Judge Taylor, millions,

1899
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,739
including from liberal donors, have

1900
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:29,819
still been spent to back your

1901
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:30,719
campaign.

1902
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:32,199
Is it because you still say that you

1903
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,799
are a Democrat, or they've been

1904
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,119
assured on how you will vote?

1905
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,719
I'm not a member of the Democratic

1906
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:37,519
Party.

1907
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,819
I am really

1908
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:42,039
proud of the incredible

1909
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,999
grassroots support that I've

1910
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,199
received throughout the state of

1911
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,179
Wisconsin.

1912
00:55:46,180 --> 00:55:48,579
Tens of thousands of Wisconsinites

1913
00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:50,599
have become part of this campaign

1914
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,739
in small contributions.

1915
00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:54,779
As I said, my average contribution

1916
00:55:54,780 --> 00:55:57,659
is less than $100.

1917
00:55:57,660 --> 00:55:59,039
So that's exciting.

1918
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,339
That's democracy.

1919
00:56:00,340 --> 00:56:03,139
That what I love about

1920
00:56:03,140 --> 00:56:03,919
running.

1921
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,099
That's what I've really enjoyed

1922
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:05,899
about this election.

1923
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:08,039
I'm certainly very glad to

1924
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,879
see that we didn't have

1925
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,759
Elon Musk come back to our state

1926
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,659
and try to buy a seat on our

1927
00:56:13,660 --> 00:56:14,739
state Supreme Court.

1928
00:56:14,740 --> 00:56:16,359
I was very proud of the people of

1929
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,059
the state when they stood up and

1930
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:19,859
rejected that.

1931
00:56:19,860 --> 00:56:20,679
But I'm proud.

1932
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,559
I'm running a really strong

1933
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,559
grassroots campaign, and

1934
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:25,719
there's nothing more important to

1935
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:26,079
me.

1936
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,879
And I do have to add one thing.

1937
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,219
My opponent filled out the FCC

1938
00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:31,139
paperwork indicating that she still

1939
00:56:31,140 --> 00:56:33,059
is a Democrat to this day.

1940
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:34,619
I filled it out saying that I am

1941
00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:35,469
independent.

1942
00:56:35,470 --> 00:56:37,109
We are nearing the end and you're

1943
00:56:37,110 --> 00:56:38,029
closing statements.

1944
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:39,089
We're gonna try to get two quick

1945
00:56:39,090 --> 00:56:40,369
lightning round questions.

1946
00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:41,429
And first, what U.S.

1947
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:42,749
Supreme Court justice, current or

1948
00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:43,969
former, would you have dinner with,

1949
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:44,379
Judge Lizotte?

1950
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:46,499
I would have dinner with Scalia and

1951
00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:48,059
Ginsburg because Ruth Bader Ginsburg

1952
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:49,399
because I think they would be

1953
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,329
fabulous together.

1954
00:56:50,330 --> 00:56:51,029
That's Taylor.

1955
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:52,969
I would agree on Ruth Bader

1956
00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:55,609
Ginsburg and

1957
00:56:55,610 --> 00:56:58,049
I would love to

1958
00:56:58,050 --> 00:57:00,189
have dinner with

1959
00:57:00,190 --> 00:57:01,169
Alina Kagan.

1960
00:57:01,170 --> 00:57:02,309
I think she is really nice.

1961
00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:03,409
And if you started and hosted a

1962
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:04,649
podcast, what would it be called,

1963
00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:05,650
Judge Saylor?

1964
00:57:06,850 --> 00:57:08,548
Uh... Rights for all

1965
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:09,599
Judges are.

1966
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,239
I think I would have to have it be

1967
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:14,019
something more interesting, like the

1968
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:15,729
best of Wisconsin.

1969
00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:17,509
It is now time for closing

1970
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:18,369
statements.

1971
00:57:18,370 --> 00:57:19,869
We made it. We flipped a coin to

1972
00:57:19,870 --> 00:57:21,029
determine the order.

1973
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:22,629
Each candidate will have one minute

1974
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:24,349
for their final thoughts.

1975
00:57:24,350 --> 00:57:26,989
We'll begin with Judge Taylor.

1976
00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:29,689
Well, thank you so much to WISN.

1977
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:31,429
It's been such a joy to be here, and

1978
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:33,509
thank you, so much, to the viewers.

1979
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:35,409
I hope that the viewers

1980
00:57:35,410 --> 00:57:37,609
saw a huge difference

1981
00:57:37,610 --> 00:57:39,989
between myself and my opponent.

1982
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:42,189
I have worked my entire

1983
00:57:42,190 --> 00:57:44,449
30-year legal career to

1984
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:46,789
protect the rights and freedoms of

1985
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:48,809
Wisconsinites, and to make sure

1986
00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:50,439
that everybody...

1987
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,379
Gets equal justice

1988
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:53,599
under the law.

1989
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:54,799
I have worked to move our state

1990
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:55,799
forward.

1991
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,939
My opponent has spent her

1992
00:57:57,940 --> 00:57:59,919
legal career taking away

1993
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,959
our rights and prioritizing

1994
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,679
corporate interests.

1995
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,679
And right wing special

1996
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:07,879
interests.

1997
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,939
But this election is not about

1998
00:58:09,940 --> 00:58:11,559
me and it's not about her, it's

1999
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,559
about you.

2000
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,359
I've traveled around the state of

2001
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,579
Wisconsin for the last 11 months.

2002
00:58:16,580 --> 00:58:18,519
You have told me that you want a

2003
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,319
justice that's going to prioritize

2004
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,599
you and stand up for your rights

2005
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,499
rather than the most

2006
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:25,979
powerful.

2007
00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:28,119
That is what I will do as

2008
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,959
your Supreme Court Justice.

2009
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,819
I will be a justice for the

2010
00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:33,359
people of Wisconsin.

2011
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,759
Thank you so much.

2012
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,699
And now, Judge Liz Hall.

2013
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:37,019
Thank you. Thank you, Jaren and

2014
00:58:37,020 --> 00:58:38,599
Matt, for having me, and thank you

2015
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,639
to everyone for watching this debate

2016
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,679
tonight, even though it was a little

2017
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,539
late. And I will tell you

2018
00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:45,519
that this debate has made it very

2019
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,679
clear that the choice and

2020
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,479
what happens in this election could

2021
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,459
not be more important for our state

2022
00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:52,780
and the future of our courts.

2023
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,079
In this race, you have on one

2024
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,939
side, we cannot risk putting

2025
00:58:57,940 --> 00:58:59,819
10 years on allowing a

2026
00:58:59,820 --> 00:59:01,819
judicial activist to be on this

2027
00:59:01,820 --> 00:59:03,639
court who will not use and

2028
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,479
follow the law, but will act

2029
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,339
and follow her causes,

2030
00:59:07,340 --> 00:59:09,519
her agenda, and put those above

2031
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,419
everything else.

2032
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:12,759
That is what a legislator does.

2033
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,699
I have spent my entire judicial

2034
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:16,779
and legal career, 12 years

2035
00:59:16,780 --> 00:59:18,699
on the bench, protecting the rights

2036
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:19,759
of people of this state.

2037
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,719
When the powerless challenge

2038
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,939
the powerful in my court,

2039
00:59:23,940 --> 00:59:25,779
I listen to them and I decide the

2040
00:59:25,780 --> 00:59:27,599
case solely based on the law

2041
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:28,679
and the facts.

2042
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,279
That is what a judge does.

2043
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,499
I will be your independent justice.

2044
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:34,739
I will, for the next 10 years,

2045
00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:36,139
stand up for the Constitution,

2046
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:37,399
Wisconsin, and the rights.

2047
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,379
So I'm asking you to vote for me,

2048
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:41,579
Judge Maria Lazar, on April 7th.

2049
00:59:41,580 --> 00:59:43,049
Thank you so very much.

2050
00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:44,949
Well, after two delays, we are

2051
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:47,509
five days from election day.

2052
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:49,669
Our sincere thanks to both of you,

2053
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:51,189
the candidates, for your time and

2054
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:53,789
for being here tonight and shuffling

2055
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:55,249
your schedules along with the

2056
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:56,929
campaigns to make this rescheduled

2057
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:57,559
debate work.

2058
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,479
And thank you to everyone at home

2059
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,529
for watching this evening.

2060
01:00:00,530 --> 01:00:02,129
If you missed any part of this

2061
01:00:02,130 --> 01:00:03,669
debate, it will be available on the

2062
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:05,609
12 News app, YouTube, and streaming

2063
01:00:05,610 --> 01:00:06,749
on Very Local.

2064
01:00:06,750 --> 01:00:08,149
You can also look for post-debate

2065
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:10,089
analysis Sunday on Upfront.

2066
01:00:10,090 --> 01:00:12,389
A reminder, Election Day is Tuesday.

2067
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:14,109
Thank you so much for being with us.

2068
01:00:14,110 --> 01:00:14,889
Have a good night.

2069
01:00:14,890 --> 01:00:16,169
Thank you. Thank you very much.

2070
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,019
I thought I would feel out of place.

2071
01:00:44,020 --> 01:00:45,679
Then I met some guys who were going

2072
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,439
through the same thing I was.

2073
01:00:48,490 --> 01:00:49,930
I thought it was Justin Madison.

2074
01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:53,510
I joined from lacrosse.

2075
01:00:54,850 --> 01:00:56,689
I thought support was just for

2076
01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:59,449
someone with cancer and

2077
01:00:59,450 --> 01:01:01,469
then I realized it's

2078
01:01:01,470 --> 01:01:02,470
so much more.

2079
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,039
From all across the globe.

2080
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,339
To right here at home.

2081
01:01:10,340 --> 01:01:11,999
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2082
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,179
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2083
01:01:14,180 --> 01:01:15,219
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2084
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Asking the questions you're asking.

2085
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:18,819
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2086
01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:20,839
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2087
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,119
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2088
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,059
And covering your community each and

2089
01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:25,879
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2090
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,579
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2091
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:28,259
coverage.

2092
01:01:28,260 --> 01:01:30,179
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2093
01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:31,349
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2094
01:01:31,350 --> 01:01:33,169
And 27 News at 6 with

2095
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:35,049
Amber Nagel and Brandon Taylor.

2096
01:01:35,050 --> 01:01:36,810
27 News, we've got you covered.

2097
01:01:37,830 --> 01:01:39,529
We've got you covered.

2098
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:41,369
At 27 News, it's not just a

2099
01:01:41,370 --> 01:01:42,249
slogan.

2100
01:01:42,250 --> 01:01:43,729
It's who we are.

2101
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:45,469
It means a commitment to finding the

2102
01:01:45,470 --> 01:01:47,349
stories that matter to you,

2103
01:01:47,350 --> 01:01:49,029
keeping you not just informed, but

2104
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:51,069
prepared with the most accurate

2105
01:01:51,070 --> 01:01:53,129
information everywhere you go,

2106
01:01:53,130 --> 01:01:54,269
bringing you coverage from your

2107
01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:56,269
community, your state,

2108
01:01:56,270 --> 01:01:58,489
and from across the globe.

2109
01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:59,839
Good evening, I'm Brandon Taylor.

2110
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,419
And I'm Amber Nagle, tonight we've

2111
01:02:01,420 --> 01:02:02,619
got you covered with a developing

2112
01:02:02,620 --> 01:02:04,089
story out of Madison.

2113
01:02:04,090 --> 01:02:05,529
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2114
01:02:05,530 --> 01:02:06,349
We've got you.

2115
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2116
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2117
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2118
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2119
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:22,349
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2120
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Amsterdam, Larry Matthews,

2121
01:02:24,730 --> 01:02:26,090
and Mary Tyler Moore.

2122
01:02:31,220 --> 01:02:32,279
Thanks a lot, Mark. We'll just wait

2123
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,519
in here.

2124
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,639
Boy, I sure hate Alan's office.

2125
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:36,479
Why?

2126
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:37,719
Well, it's decorated so much better

2127
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:38,720
than ours.

2128
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,019
Well, even the men's room is

2129
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:42,260
decorated better than our office.

2130
01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:45,340
Hey, how'd you know that?

2131
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,020
Well, when the washer told me.

2132
01:02:49,780 --> 01:02:51,059
Do you have any idea what Owl wants

2133
01:02:51,060 --> 01:02:51,659
to see us about?

2134
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:52,879
Mel didn't say.

2135
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:53,979
Hey, why don't they call these
meetings

2136
01:02:53,980 --> 01:02:55,279
sometime when I'm not having a

2137
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,280
snack?

2138
01:02:56,570 --> 01:02:57,970
There is no such time.

2139
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,079
What are they doing here?

2140
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:02,979
We're at Brian Bridge.

2141
01:03:02,980 --> 01:03:03,980
We were just waiting for the dummy.

2142
01:03:07,340 --> 01:03:08,979
See us, but he doesn't want to see

2143
01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:10,260
you all you all

2144
01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:12,739
You

2145
01:03:12,740 --> 01:03:13,839
What does he want to see?

2146
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:14,959
You, Rob. Me?

2147
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:15,889
Only you.

2148
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:17,429
Holy rock! You mean to say that I

2149
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:18,749
had a rush up here and let my hot

2150
01:03:18,750 --> 01:03:19,709
chocolate get cold?

2151
01:03:19,710 --> 01:03:21,249
Sally, I'm sorry if I didn't make

2152
01:03:21,250 --> 01:03:22,109
myself clear.

2153
01:03:22,110 --> 01:03:23,029
The only thing that's clear is the

2154
01:03:23,030 --> 01:03:24,030
top of your head.

2155
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:27,239
Eat your donut and I'll break it.

2156
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,240
We'll see you later.

2157
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:29,779
Oh, hiya!

2158
01:03:29,780 --> 01:03:31,239
Hey, it's nice to see you!

2159
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:33,539
They're just leaving.

2160
01:03:33,540 --> 01:03:34,119
Good!

2161
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,979
We just woke Rob up for a little

2162
01:03:35,980 --> 01:03:36,899
protection.

2163
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:38,199
Yeah, a lot of muckin's been goin'

2164
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,139
on around the water cooler.

2165
01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:40,399
Oh, yeah, very funny, very fun.

2166
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,359
Thank you. Don't put that in the

2167
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,179
show, though.

2168
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:43,199
See you around. All right, bye.

2169
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,200
Yeah.

2170
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,539
Mel, do I speak a foreign language?

2171
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:47,839
Uh, no, no. Shut up, Mel.

2172
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,139
Yes, sir. Can't you understand me?

2173
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:50,439
I said I wanted to see Rob.

2174
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,799
That is Rob. I am Alan.

2175
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,019
You are Mel. This is a door.

2176
01:03:53,020 --> 01:03:54,139
Use it. Oh, but I thought you

2177
01:03:54,140 --> 01:03:55,079
said... Shut up.

2178
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,039
Come here.

2179
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:56,379
Get out of here!

2180
01:03:56,380 --> 01:03:57,380
I can't hear you.

2181
01:03:59,380 --> 01:04:00,479
What do you want to see me about?

2182
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,480
Just a minute, Rob.

2183
01:04:06,910 --> 01:04:08,369
You're the only one I can turn to.

2184
01:04:08,370 --> 01:04:09,189
You've got to help me.

2185
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:10,190
What is it, Alan?

2186
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,080
I want you to save my life.

2187
01:04:16,070 --> 01:04:17,969
It takes brains, good

2188
01:04:17,970 --> 01:04:18,970
taste,

2189
01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:22,289
and laughter to make it here.

2190
01:04:22,290 --> 01:04:23,889
Laverne and Shirley, weekdays at

2191
01:04:23,890 --> 01:04:25,009
2.30 p.m.

2192
01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:25,969
Eastern.

2193
01:04:25,970 --> 01:04:27,549
Javi finally turned my bad coffee

2194
01:04:27,550 --> 01:04:28,729
habit healthy.

2195
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:30,149
This is my secret weapon.

2196
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:31,549
Most protein drinks are super

2197
01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:33,369
chalky, but this one is so smooth,

2198
01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:34,269
creamy, and delicious.

2199
01:04:34,270 --> 01:04:36,109
I love it. Most iced coffees

2200
01:04:36,110 --> 01:04:37,829
have more sugar than a slice of cake

2201
01:04:37,830 --> 01:04:39,389
and zero benefit.

2202
01:04:39,390 --> 01:04:40,909
Swap it and fuel your health

2203
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:42,749
instead. 20 grams of protein in

2204
01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:44,509
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2205
01:04:44,510 --> 01:04:46,559
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2206
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2207
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Just a few simple ingredients with

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2209
01:04:51,740 --> 01:04:53,179
And yes, you can pronounce all.

2210
01:04:53,180 --> 01:04:54,819
Try Javi today.

2211
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2214
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coffee, but feels your day like a

2215
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2216
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,499
amazing. Without any sugar or...

2217
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:05,639
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2218
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,319
Protein is so easy when it's coffee.

2219
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,699
I don't like protein drinks, but

2220
01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:09,509
this one got me.

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Save your life, Al.

2231
01:05:27,390 --> 01:05:28,709
What are you talking about?

2232
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:30,549
Rob, there's a bomb in this

2233
01:05:30,550 --> 01:05:31,429
office.

2234
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:32,430
Right here.

2235
01:05:33,410 --> 01:05:34,289
It's a play.

2236
01:05:34,290 --> 01:05:35,290
No, it's a bom.

2237
01:05:36,570 --> 01:05:38,469
Baby fat by Harper and Worthington

2238
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:39,509
Yates' new play.

2239
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:40,769
Yeah, I'm supposed to do it on

2240
01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:42,429
Broadway. Yeah, well I read that.

2241
01:05:42,430 --> 01:05:43,889
Congratulations. For what?

2242
01:05:43,890 --> 01:05:45,249
Well, Yates is a Pulitzer Prize

2243
01:05:45,250 --> 01:05:46,549
winning playwright. Well, he wrote a

2244
01:05:46,550 --> 01:05:48,629
Pulitzer Prize winning bomb there.

2245
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:50,269
Do it, do it, Rob.

2246
01:05:50,270 --> 01:05:51,749
You know how I feel about Broadway.

2247
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:53,229
I've always wanted to make it big on

2248
01:05:53,230 --> 01:05:54,149
Broadway.

2249
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:55,269
And when Harper, Worthy, and Yates

2250
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:56,629
ask you to do a play, you just do

2251
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:58,389
it. You know, I'm thinking of maybe

2252
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:59,729
not even wearing my hair in this

2253
01:05:59,730 --> 01:06:00,730
part.

2254
01:06:01,090 --> 01:06:02,489
Yeah, they convinced me that great

2255
01:06:02,490 --> 01:06:04,029
art doesn't need hair.

2256
01:06:04,030 --> 01:06:05,489
Well, I guess so. It Picasso's

2257
01:06:05,490 --> 01:06:06,459
fault. Yeah.

2258
01:06:06,460 --> 01:06:07,879
Guy Kimmy was bald, too.

2259
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,319
You see, that's what I mean, Rob.

2260
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:11,479
You've got a sense of humor.

2261
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:12,619
Come on, you've got to fix this,

2262
01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:13,999
Rob! Me?

2263
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,459
Fix Harper, Worthington, Yates?

2264
01:06:15,460 --> 01:06:16,899
Well, I may have exaggerated a

2265
01:06:16,900 --> 01:06:18,319
little when I said it wasn't, you

2266
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:19,859
know, all funny. He's given me some

2267
01:06:19,860 --> 01:06:21,139
laughs. There are a couple of

2268
01:06:21,140 --> 01:06:22,759
hee-hees, a couple ha-ha's, some

2269
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,459
ho-ho's. But there are no big...

2270
01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:28,299
You want me to put in the you-ha?

2271
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:29,299
Yeah, well, there are places that

2272
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:30,259
are supposed to have this, but

2273
01:06:30,260 --> 01:06:31,579
listen to this dialog.

2274
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:33,439
I say to my brother here,

2275
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,829
you're ruthless, kid.

2276
01:06:34,830 --> 01:06:36,589
You may get to the top and be rich,

2277
01:06:36,590 --> 01:06:38,609
but you'll be a Machiavellian-air.

2278
01:06:38,610 --> 01:06:40,429
Now, what's that supposed to mean?

2279
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:42,049
Well, Machiavelli was an Italian

2280
01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:43,209
author and states when he was

2281
01:06:43,210 --> 01:06:44,389
supposed to be unscrupulous, so that

2282
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:45,429
probably refers to...

2283
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:46,749
Yeah, I know what it means, and you

2284
01:06:46,750 --> 01:06:47,749
know what that means, but who's

2285
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:48,650
going to tell the audience? What, do

2286
01:06:48,651 --> 01:06:50,349
we give out pamphlets to explain the

2287
01:06:50,350 --> 01:06:51,349
jokes?

2288
01:06:51,350 --> 01:06:52,489
It is esoteric.

2289
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:53,889
Oh, I don't care about that, it's

2290
01:06:53,890 --> 01:06:54,890
just too highbrow...

2291
01:06:58,590 --> 01:06:59,729
So you can fix it.

2292
01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:01,169
Now, look, I've marked some spots

2293
01:07:01,170 --> 01:07:02,109
here that need fixing.

2294
01:07:02,110 --> 01:07:03,169
Well, wait a minute. How does Mr.

2295
01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:04,429
Yates feel about my tampering with

2296
01:07:04,430 --> 01:07:05,549
his script? Now, it's already

2297
01:07:05,550 --> 01:07:06,449
Friday, and I've got to be at

2298
01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:07,389
Westport for the weekend for

2299
01:07:07,390 --> 01:07:08,409
rehearsals. Now, you can get started

2300
01:07:08,410 --> 01:07:09,269
on this and give me some pages

2301
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:10,609
Monday. Alan, won't he mind if a

2302
01:07:10,610 --> 01:07:11,849
complete stranger? Now, see, right

2303
01:07:11,850 --> 01:07:12,809
here at the end, the first act

2304
01:07:12,810 --> 01:07:14,029
curtain needs a big laugh there.

2305
01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:15,309
Alan, wait just a second.

2306
01:07:15,310 --> 01:07:16,889
Yates doesn't know about...

2307
01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:17,890
Well, no.

2308
01:07:19,490 --> 01:07:21,389
Oh, Rob, it is hard to tell

2309
01:07:21,390 --> 01:07:23,519
a writer that his stuff isn't funny.

2310
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:24,699
You tell me that every week.

2311
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:27,079
Oh, well you're a television

2312
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,159
writer.

2313
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,619
Oh, no offense, you know what I

2314
01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:30,939
mean, we love each other.

2315
01:07:30,940 --> 01:07:32,459
You know how playwrights are, but

2316
01:07:32,460 --> 01:07:33,899
the thing is, he will know the lines

2317
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:35,599
are changed. Sure, but I'll memorize

2318
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,039
what you write, and I'll throw it in

2319
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,039
during rehearsal to think I'm Ed

2320
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,579
Libbon. Now you can't tell anybody,

2321
01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:40,969
Buddy, Sally, or anybody.

2322
01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:42,409
Look, Al, I'm very flattered that

2323
01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:43,669
you think I can improve Mr. Ye's

2324
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:44,969
grip, but if he doesn't know that

2325
01:07:44,970 --> 01:07:46,229
I'm working on it... Wait, it's done

2326
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:47,869
all the time. Rob, I am desperate.

2327
01:07:47,870 --> 01:07:49,169
You gotta do this, man.

2328
01:07:49,170 --> 01:07:51,129
Rob, if I want this so bad,

2329
01:07:51,130 --> 01:07:52,569
I can feel it inside.

2330
01:07:52,570 --> 01:07:54,529
You know, Rob, you've got my guts

2331
01:07:54,530 --> 01:07:55,469
in your hands.

2332
01:07:55,470 --> 01:07:56,470
My hands?