So it'll eventually not be a
problem. But we could do that.
We could either put it there, or
we could do an effect where it's
programmed like we do for
the
state of the state and stuff like
that, where it has got the bar.
So we could just put the bar at the
top with time in it and then
program so that everybody can see
the time burst and then.
I like that and that's that's
the that'll tell us what that
program that'll tell us.
What what's actually being recorded.
So we know what we're on.
I'm assuming that was programmed
during this. Okay.
That's what I was watching.
Okay.
And I think I'd prefer
to not have to
worry about it.
But if that works.
Yeah, I think a time bar on top.
And yeah, if you want to go there,
we can all see it.
That works.
Okay, we can make that happen.
Any weirdness,
siss, table,
things, stuff, knock your knees
on, I want
to change just the first one.
Are we putting a drape
over this?
We haven't talked about it too much.
OK, I just wasn't sure from the wide
if like the chords and.
That will go away, yeah.
Oh okay and like
the the tables because
i guess from the wide behind
we can see whatever's here
that's that'd be by
talking about that.
They'll both be black.
I mean, I think the table's fine.
It's just we'd have to be more
conscious of like, what is there?
Is there and
the mirror and everything
Does anyone have any thoughts about,
in terms of Rich being
cued, does
it make most sense for
you, Sean,
to call me out?
Act like you're in TV and tell me
what you're really...
You know, I mean,
I'm just wondering would I ever
dare
jumping in and say,
hey, can I say something?
Hey, Rich, we were, can you hear us?
I can't, he might be talking to
someone. Someone was talking to me
in my ear.
Okay, I was just.
I was just yeah, I heard what you
said what we were talking about
before was doing a little hand
signal. He's in here
Can you hear me?
He put up a hand Well, just even
all of us on the set So like if
Anya's like the beginning of the
show Anya was talking to Shawn She
was looking there and if I wanted
to jump in without having Shawn
having to play conductor Then I
would just like kind of put my my
pen up in the air a little bit, you
know Do the little so sure casual
thing and if like I think you
could do something similar because
you wouldn't be in the shot
necessarily.
Oh, okay, okay.
I just didn't know if I'm gonna be
on a screen visible to everyone at
all times.
And that's where we might have to
see if we can get a program
shot for you. So then you do know
when and when you are not in the
wide or the master shot.
But that way, like perfect
example is this time,
she's talking over there, Sean's
looking at her, and then you
want to jump in, you can just do
a little signal.
Sean's got his eyes out, he sees
that, he can give you the head nod
or the eyes go there, and then he
knows that means
we're not even gonna like.
Redirect it just you'll jump in next
i think that'll make for the
smoothest flow rather than having to
like stop start go back to the
anchor style host
Yeah, yeah, I like it.
I like it. Thanks.
Because it felt like the only pause
that felt uncomfortable was in that
early first couple of interactions
where it was.
Yeah.
I wasn't sure if I was going to
jump in and I went back to you.
I did not want to assign
those to a person because I
wanted to see how it went, I guess.
I mean, essentially, there's never a
time where I won't have something to
say.
But also, I didn't
wanna sit there and dominate like
every time Zach must answer.
And also, I know it's gonna be
difficult for you.
That's the thing, I worry about
like, accidentally just kind of like
excluding rich because it's so much
harder to non-verbally like.
We want to intentionally disclude
you.
That's fine.
Wait, can I have that on a shirt?
At the very end, when it was 15
seconds, I was like,
I thought it might sound funny.
I came in and like, here's the last
word, and now to the camera.
You know what I mean?
So I just kind of.
And that's where I was, if
I was in your position, what I would
say, have them do is time me out
long.
Because when, for me, when they give
me the 15 second rap, there's not
enough time to resummarize.
Unless you have something scripted
for like, this is the brilliant
pithy wrap-up.
It's much easier, in my opinion,
when you're running this to simply,
okay, 15 seconds, then you know,
as soon as I wrap up this sentence,
then we're gonna go to it.
That way, if we're already over
time.
It's easier to cut out a little
chunk. There's always gonna be 10
seconds they can slice if they need
it for Wisconsin Today, for the
podcast, it doesn't matter.
So that way it's a little bit easier
if your tendency is to
wrap up tight.
If your tendency's 15
seconds and I'm gonna finish my
thought, whether it's 30 seconds or
not, then you wouldn't wanna do
that. So a lot of it depends on
where we will be ending.
Like if we regularly get under 30
or under a minute and like
it's over there, but.
Rich doesn't necessarily have time
queues, then it's a different
scenario.
Because he may not know, oh, there's
only 30 seconds left, I should wrap
this up and toss it back.
I think we should all get those
final minutes worth of time here.
You got them, right?
I could hear yours
But so I think like cuz
also Happen
in radio. We're like all of a sudden
the music comes on and I had
no idea
Yeah, I agree that everyone should
get that, at least the last minute
to 30 seconds, so that way we can
wrap up without making it awkward
and get it back to Sean in
under 15 or something.
But that's where, yeah, it'll be up
to you to decide when I get
that 15 second cue, do I just
wanna kill it on the
spot or do I naturally
run out the end of my thought?
I, you know, it's also probably a
good reminder to me to have like
a little, to think about a little
ending.
Take that I can land with
if needed.
Friday.
Yeah, because eventually, you'll
start to hate
yourself by saying, that's all the
time we have, or we're going to have
to leave it there.
Because that's what we do every time
I anchor. And it's like,
the audience gets used to it.
But it's usually it's a thanks for
joining us.
Leave it there that's what Fred
says. My hot take on that
topic is like yeah
they could solve a problem but they
really want to like crush
the other side basically.
That's why the name of our show
should be Because Politics.
Because politics.
I'm going to literally pitch this,
I'm gonna find Kyla.
We'll put it on the document,
although it's probably already
through 10 layers of...
But then you could, every single
week, look straight to camera and
say, why?
Why? Because politics.
The post politics.
We'll just do that.
I have a visual that I've
taught my wife when I was explaining
to her why things happen in
politics, it's this.
And I said, this is the
real issue that they don't want to
talk about, and this is the constant
distractions they do, so you don't
look over here. Interesting.
And so every time she says, why are
they, I'm like, if she started doing
it back to me now, she can pick up
on, oh it's one of these,
or wagging the dog's tail, where,
you know, because politics it's not
the real core issue.
So that would be my visual.
Not that we did.
I do think one of the things
that I would love to do is a
routine thing on Overton Window,
or like big political science
concepts like that.
Because obviously everyone's trying
to move the Overton window, and
people don't realize that they are
in the middle of that process,
and explaining to them, here's what
they're doing to manipulate your
thoughts and emotions on this topic.
Here's what you're doing to try and
make this normal.
So you want to do a regular segment.
And now, and now the Overton window.
And now we look at the Overtoun
window.
30 seconds on how much have we
talked about the Epstein files this
week?
First in the overtune. Moving the overton.
Let's take a minute for background.
What is the overtoon window?
We're out of time.
Thanks for joining us.
Let's talk about inelastic voters.
Even just chatting now,
does this feel a little more?
It's your call my
call because you're the one in the
middle. It's got a like I
Sean just wants to make a karaoke
ball.
Yeah. Nine inch nails.
I feel I'd be better,
like I'm more comfortable over
there, but you know.
Is it just going to always
be weird for whoever's in the middle
because they have to...
Maybe.
I just don't know what this looks
like too.
I'm like a little, I've seen myself
in some TV shots and it's like,
oh God, that man is giant,
you know? And so I don't want to
throw things off too
much that way and I worry that being
in the middle, I will do that.
We'll just be more symmetrical.
We're conical, if you like,
graft us.
Yeah, and we can see how it looks,
but I think what matters most is
what makes everyone look
comfortable, in my opinion.
Well, I got seniority on you,
so really, yeah.
It's because I'm very youthful.
We're a bell curve
How old are you?
I don't know, 47ish?
I'm 47, about to turn 48.
A little over there.
We got ourselves a shootout.
June 19th.
All right, you win.
I'm older?
All right.
So, whatever you want.
You do have seniority.
I do, yeah.
Rich is actually 70.
Holds up well.
That's my listening age on Spotify,
you jerk.
And I told you that in confidence.
That northern Wisconsin lifestyle,
man, it just keeps you young.
Yeah, Nazareth.
I think it famously doesn't keep
you.
You want all of them?
Yeah, let's get all of it.
Yeah, that works.
Leads really.
Do you want a 15 minutes or do
you want the first one at 10?
Oh, I think that, I really think,
I think first one at 10 works for
me.
Yeah,
no, I don't think it was necessary.
I think 10, five, two, and
then the way you did it, yeah.
Really quick, we're just going to
knock out the other leads so
that we can let you guys be out
of the hot lights.
I'm cold.
Is it really warm in there?
No, I'm freezing.
These used to be hot.
I'm also always quite cold,
it's my own fault.
But I have warm, feet warmers,
so it's helping.
That's what it was.
Is there a way that I would do this
that was not a cold open, is my
question.
Today on... I don't think so.
Hey, Zach. Hey, Anya.
Hey.
I think, yeah, the two options, we
just, there
are some podcasts that just
start in the moment.
Where it's like, we're already
talking and then they start rolling.
The politics part.
The politics podcast, we just, oh,
every first words every
week were basically, hey guys,
hey, how's it going? And we just
like chit chat.
Just, hey you guys.
I don't think we do that anymore,
but.
Yeah, this is not like, chit
chat, set up, we're all wearing
blazers.
No, it's a little different.
I mean, we can make it whatever we
want.
Is that true?
I'll do whatever, whatever.
I'll wear a t-shirt if you tell me
to.
So if the Wisconsin Today audience
is not getting any of the leads,
then the anchors will read, this is
what they were talking about, and
then it's going to come out to your
first thing, which will be, hey,
guys, sir.
Yeah. Hey, Ronny.
I feel like we should say something,
right?
I mean, I can just start with a
question. It just feels like
in a podcast, I would say
hi.
Everything we do on the set, as
always, thanks for joining us.
Yeah.
You could break the fourth wall and
just welcome to the audience.
And hello to you out there.
Thanks.
Thanks to all five of you who
stumbled across this by accident.
When we were doing the convention,
half hours every day,
at one point we had 67 people
watching the live stream.
It's like, whoa.
We are crushing it here.
Hmm
Was there talk, did I overhear
talk in that room, in
the studio about an audience
being in place?
Live studio audience.
There's like hundreds of people in here.
Is there going to be, at some
point though? Just the homeless
people that live in the-
Give them signs to hold up.
Yeah.
Every time they pitch to Anya, like
the first time, everyone will
applaud and cheer.
It's like the old- That's in my writer.
Yeah.
There's some leads for you.
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Hey everyone, good to see you.
Even you, Rich.
Hi.
I said hi!
I did like that intro the best.
The last one? I liked the middle
one.
I like the short one.
I liked the topics and then
introducing the show.
Yeah, I think, yeah,
yes, yep, yep.
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pbswisconsin.org on our
YouTube channels or wherever you get
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Politics Weekly or
something else.
Not a podcast.
That's my preferred title.
Whatever you like, but I don't think
so. Anything else?
I think we're good, but let us
know.
You could also have the highs in
the open,
like I'm joined with WPR's
Anya and Rich. Hey guys.
Yeah.
I'm here with Anne from PBS
Wisconsin.
What if we did, like, knowing nods
whenever you mentioned your name?
Well, so that part will be covered
up on radio,
if it matters.
Well, and on television.
They're probably going to keep you
on a one shot for that whole intro.
All right.
So that if we are going to do
those cutaway, which we can when
we have guests on we introduce them
We cut to the guest away from the
anchor So that's
not an issue that just be a matter
of talking to the director and I'm
sure John would be able to
We could ask if it's scripted.
It cuts to you, then it cuts to
Rich, it cuts me, however though.
Would you be open to trying one
where I just kind of, as I introduce
people,
just say hi to each
of them?
In the name of trying things, and
then I don't think we have anything
else.
One of the shorter
ones, I think.
All right, all right, three it is.
Are you ready?
You're gonna keep your hands in your
lap.
I don't know what. Yeah, what are we
doing to be up here?
I always kept him on the desk.
I appreciate it.
Which is just, it's very, very
stiff. For real.
No, no, seriously, thank you.
Thanks to all the TV folks,
making this less scary.
Wisconsin leaders react to
Minneapolis, a Trump endorsement
shakes up state politics, and
a deal on property taxes?
Maybe.
This is Wisconsin Politics Weekly.
I'm Sean Johnson here with WPR's
Anya VanWagendonk.
Hey Anya. Hey Sean.
Rich Kramer in Eau Claire.
Hey Rich.
Hello Sean.
And PBS Wisconsin's Zach Schultz.
How's it going Zach? Hello.
Let's start with the
reaction to the shooting of Alex
Preti as we.
Have this light friendly intro.
Let's transition to
horrors.
Yeah, it would be, you're right, you
right.
Something to keep in mind.
No, that's good.
Or we can do PBSWPRWPR.
As long as riches last, that's the
important thing.
As long we're clear on that.
We're all clear.
Everyone's always been clear about
it.
And hey, you got my last name every
time.
You jinxed it.
I get a little nervous each time.
Is the key over enunciating each.
Who did I?
Any Van Wecten, though.
I mean, like, sometimes you've also
called me, like Anna, like sometimes
you just...
Get none of the names.
I just go full boomer on.
It's fine, we haven't been working
together that long, or that closely.
I don't cry about it all the time.
Get him. Give me a few more years.
Get him!
We're stopping the record, so.
You guys record that so radio can
have it tomorrow.
We recorded it, but the
plan is not to.
There was some usable stuff in
there. There was.
All this. I mean, you guys did a great job. Thank
you.
We should leak it,
we should leak it.
Fred and I were talking about this,
and we...