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A terrifying week in global

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warfare brings cautious relief

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days later by way of a two-week

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ceasefire in Iran.

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Citizens on the sidelines may wonder

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where their congressional

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representatives stand and how they

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are responding to the war.

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Tonight, we turn to Second District

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Democratic Congressman Mark Pocan.

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We should note we reached out to

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Republicans in several districts

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without reply.

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Congressman, thanks very much for

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being here.

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Sure, thank you.

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So on Tuesday this week, the

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world was on tenterhooks,

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waiting President Trump's threat

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that a whole civilization

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will die tonight unless

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Iran opened the Strait of Hormuz,

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and then the announcement of a

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ceasefire.

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The White House says it was a tough

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negotiating tactic that

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worked. What do you say?

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You know, this is chaos

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piled on top of chaos pil'd

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on top of uncertainty, right?

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I don't think Donald Trump from day

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one really had a plan on

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how to deal with what he was

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doing going into Iran.

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And we're seeing that all unfold

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right now. And that rhetoric just

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has been unseen by any world leader

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previously.

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And even now, the ceasefire

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is still has all kinds of

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uncertainty. We're not exactly sure.

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What all the standards were.

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Donald Trump said, he knows the 10,

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he'll tell you if they're met.

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That's ridiculous.

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And Iran just, I saw today, he said

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two conditions aren't met yet,

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the stopping of the bombing in

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Lebanon and releasing some funds to

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them, which that was the first time

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I actually had kind of heard that

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part of whatever it was negotiated.

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So this is just a complete mess.

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Our gas prices are going up, our

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respect across the world was going

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down, and it was a war of choice.

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There was no imminent threat to

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the United States, And that's the

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only. Time the president could

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initiate this without Congress.

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So, you know, to call it

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chaotic is probably an insult to the

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word chaos.

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You and others have called to invoke

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the 25th Amendment to remove Donald

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Trump from office.

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Now that would take the Vice

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President and the majority of the

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cabinet to declare the President

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unfit.

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So is this really a

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rhetorical demand on

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your and others' part?

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Yeah, I think this is a signal to

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the world that don't hate America.

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There are normal people here because

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what Donald Trump is doing is

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hurting our place across the

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globe right now.

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Some of our best trading partners

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in Japan and South Korea rely

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on like 70% of their energy coming

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through the Straits of Hormuz.

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The fact that now they're

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paying the price of Donald Trump's

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bad decision, the fact that our best

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allies were not informed

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going into this, So now

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they're not participating in which.

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I totally understand, but Donald

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We have to express that as

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a nation, we understand

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this is a bad decision.

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What he did in a couple of those

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social media posts this week were

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beyond a bad decision.

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And I seriously, and many others,

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question whether or not he's able to

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do this job. But we want others to

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understand that many of us do

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question his capability.

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Wisconsin polling shows that

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61 percent of voters opposed

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this war, many of them

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probably in your district.

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But what levers of power do you

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and others in Congress have over

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this? Will Dems continue to

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push for a war powers resolution?

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Yeah, we'll push for a war powers

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resolution next week when

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we're back in Washington.

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And I'll tell you, this is one

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where, you know, we need some of the

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Republicans from Wisconsin and

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across the country to reach around

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their backs and feel if they

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have a bone down the middle called

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the spine, because it's

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necessary for Congress to stand up

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and stop Donald Trump from this

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chaotic behavior.

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It is up to Congress to initiate

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war. That's according to the

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Constitution. And I've heard a few

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Republicans say they're waiting 90

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days and all this other stuff.

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The Constitution doesn't say that.

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The Constitution gives the power to

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Congress on this.

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So we have to act and take

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the responsible role in this.

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And if we don't, then unfortunately,

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we continue to pay higher prices

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at the gas pumps.

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other countries across the world.

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So there's a lot riding on this and

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we need Wisconsin Republicans

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and others in Congress to

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stand up and grow

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a spine.

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Why should Wisconsinites care

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about a conflict happening half

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a world away?

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A lot of reasons.

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I mean, you're seeing it right now

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in gas prices. They're up about

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$1.20 a gallon right now

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because of what's going on.

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months. If this ended today,

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Frederica, we will see gas prices,

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those increases for months to

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come yet. So this was a terrible

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decision that was done by the White

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House. But you should care because

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also our trade around the world,

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you know, is chaotic as Donald

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Trump's tariffs have been.

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It's important that we have partners

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across the globe that American

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products that create American jobs.

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And when we're hurting ourselves

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like we are with this right now,

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we jeopardize our role in being

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able to do that. So it's about jobs,

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it's about your pay, it is about

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what you're paying for goods,

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because we're paying too much for

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everything from groceries and

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everyday goods because of tariffs to

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health care and utilities because

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of the big ugly law.

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And now we're paying too much for

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gas because of this.

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There's a lot of reasons we should

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pay attention and care.

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As to rising inflation,

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I see that consumer sentiment just

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ranked at the lowest on

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record in the U.S.

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And meanwhile, Trump's budget calls

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for $1.5 trillion

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in defense

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spending.

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This would not be, I trust,

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a priority of yours.

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No, in fact, I think what the

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president said is we don't have

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money for things like childcare

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because he wants to put it into

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the national,

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the Pentagon's budget, essentially,

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because he's wasting so many

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weapons right now while he's

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doing this war of choice in

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Iran. And, you know, I Think if you

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talk to the average person,

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certainly the average employer,

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childcare is far more important than

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what he's Doing right now.

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So the fact that he doesn't

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understand, let's face it,

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he's the Epstein class, right?

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He's a really, really rich guy.

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Who is out of touch with what it is

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to actually live paycheck to

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paycheck, to pay a mortgage,

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to make sure you have health care

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for your family, can you budget for

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a vacation. This guy hangs out

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at Mar-a-Lago and has 20s,

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roaring 20s style parties.

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That person doesn't understand

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what Americans are going through and

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we see it because we're paying for

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the increase in prices.

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So, you know, November, people can

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see a change.

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They can change out some of the

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faces in the House and Senate.

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ability to stand up and do proper

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oversight. But right now,

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you know, it's tough times and we

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can get the calls in the office and

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people are certainly nervous.

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How do you think the war in Iran

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informs voters coming into the

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midterms?

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bad decision, right?

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The tariffs are a bad decision.

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We know that, and we're all paying

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more for groceries and everyday

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goods.

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That big ugly law where they gave a

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giant tax break to Elon Musk and

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people who belonged to Mar-a-Lago,

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that took away healthcare

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from people, and more in November,

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by the way. All the Medicaid cuts

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take place at that point.

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So 15 million people lose

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healthcare, and we are all paying

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for it, plus it made utility rates

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go up. And now we're paying more for

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gas because of the war.

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So you look at all of this.

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exhausted from the

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winning that Donald Trump keeps

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telling us. I think, you know, most

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of us have a different definition of

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winning. It's being able to have

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that little luxury of snowmobile or

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a boat or whatever it might be, but

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it's not just paying more for good

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so that rich people get tax breaks.

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Speaking of elections, what's your

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reaction to liberal Supreme Court

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candidate Chris Taylor's 20-point

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victory this week?

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good candidate. I think they fielded

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an extraordinarily poor candidate by

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Supreme Court standards.

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with what's happening nationally.

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I mean, you saw mayors flip

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from conservative to more

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progressive across parts of the

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state that aren't exactly blue,

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maybe not even purple.

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But you know, Chris Taylor.

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justice. She's very smart, very

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savvy. I've worked with her since my

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time in the state legislature.

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She's gonna help that court.

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We need that court to probably get a

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kick in the butt, maybe to get a few

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more things done.

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And I think she may just be that

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catalyst.

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But how is a spring election

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different from a November election?

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Turnout's definitely lower, but you

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saw the intensity of certain people

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wanting to come out. And we've seen

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that also in polling.

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The intensity of Democratic or

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more progressive leaning voters

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versus Republican,

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people are really upset with

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Donald Trump and very few

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are very happy.

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In fact, independence, we saw a

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poll, the swing was 48 points

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from independence from a year ago.

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That was called extinction level

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numbers when that happens.

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So I think, you know, when you look

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at, you know, certain congressional

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districts in Wisconsin, The

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state assembly and state senator

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both up to flip.

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I think all of that is going to

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happen this November because people

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have just had it with how Donald

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Trump is behaving and how

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Republicans are just rolling over

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and getting their bellies rubbed

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rather than standing up and fighting

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for their constituents.

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We leave it there.

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Congressman Mark Pocan, thanks very

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much.

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Sure, thank you so much.

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I have no idea how long that

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went and we may need to

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trim to fit it into our program,

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but thank you.

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Thanks a lot.

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Yeah, no problem, it's

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going to be interesting.

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Everything we're seeing come

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November is not

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going their way.

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I mean it's massive, more than

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I think a lot of people are even

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ready for.

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So I don't know how

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he gets out of this Iran thing.

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I mean just this morning seriously I

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saw the fact that Iran said

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part of the deal was releasing of

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funds, which remember they

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criticized Joe Biden about

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in Obama.

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And it's just, you know.

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It's kind of inexplainable in some

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ways, so.

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We'll see how these peace talks go.

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Hopefully, you know,

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everyone hopes, right, that there's

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a cessation of this

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kind of violence.

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Yeah, the problem is we never should

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have got there in the first place.

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And now we got to figure out how to

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get out and let Donald Trump save

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some face. And that's why I

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think the difficulty is just

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beginning.

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Well, thank you for your time.

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Sure, thank you.

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Yeah, take care.