So, how often
do you talk to friends,
either girlfriends or guy friends,
and they talk about dating, they
talk about fish picks, or like, oh
my gosh, I'm dating a guy who
fishes, will I ever see him?
How does that come up?
Uh with most of my girlfriends that
i talk to you know if they see a
fish pick on the dating app they're
usually um they want to go away
from that um
but it really depends on the
person i think people that are
more inclined to be
out in nature and fishing and stuff
maybe that's not their ideal thing
but um if they do see one
they're like okay like i might check
it out really depends, on the,
person also how they're holding the
fish you know the fish picks they
make a difference so
What's the proper way?
Uh, this,
this is the proper way.
If you're holding them up like this,
I think that's a little, it's a
little weird, but maybe my personal,
personal thing.
Okay, and so for you personally, do
you have a fish pick?
Oh, I have some fish pics.
Like this.
The right way, the right way.
Yep, we got some good ones.
I mean, I can show them to you later
if you want.
So, what is the
fear, I guess, of a guy with
a fish pick?
There's a lot of women that I've
known who are like, oh, absolutely
not. Is it because they're afraid
that...
I mean, okay, I mean
my boyfriend, he's a really big
fisherman and he has a lot of fish
picks. But I knew him
before I really knew that he was
into that.
And so when I saw
that I was like, oh my God, like
usually I think, you
know, like very like
redneck, hick type of thing.
But it really just depends on
the person.
But that is the vibe that you
kind of get off of the fish bait.
If you've seen the-
if you'd seen the fish cook first.
Yeah, yeah,
I don't know but I mean
they're they're pretty good fish
though. I mean
is that another fact i mean oh yeah
if you have to have a different
perspective that's true
I mean, if they're holding up a
bluegill, that's, you
know, if it's like a seven pound
bluegilled, that's okay.
That's cool. But you know like if
you got a huge musky, that'd be
great, but if you've got like a
little small one, yeah.
But I think it depends on the
fish, yeah,
that'll do.
We've seen memes or things out
there that talk about, like, you
know, the only time their guy smiles
is when he's got a fish.
I would have to probably
agree.
I think my boyfriend's biggest
smiles are probably when he's
holding a fish,
but you know, it depends on the guy,
but yeah, I'd say guys are pretty
much their happiest when they're out
alone fishing on a pond or
something.
Should that be a red flag or would
you advise women to give them more
of a shot?
I think give him more of a shot,
you know, like maybe his real
joy in life is really only fishing.
Sure, he probably loves you,
probably, but
fishing's great. The fish don't talk
back. The fish, they don't ask you
to get them dinner. The fish are
just there. So you know.
And for you and your experiences,
do you think that you came as
a separate, like, extra bonus?
Because you... I would hope so.
So yeah, yeah, we
met before I was really into fishing
and then I got right back into it.
We tend not to fish together because
it causes some uprising.
But we're working on it, so
he takes it a lot more seriously
than I do.
Is there a rivalry in the book
that...
A little bit, yeah.
So what are the most common
frictions that exist in a
relationship when one person is
very serious about fishing?
Yeah um i think the
way that we go about fishing
like the lures that we use um
live versus artificial bait uh
especially being on the scientific
side of things he
tends to really just you know want
the fish that he wants and i'm like
okay but i want to look at all the
tiny ones and like the bigger ones
and i i want a look at the whole
ecosystem um so i'm more of kind of
like la di da di da and you know
he's kind of on his his own mission
um so that kind of causes some
ruckus there, but yeah.
For this story, we have seen
couples that fish together.
Yeah!
Do you think that they naturally go
together, or is it more, I mean,
like, because they find it common
interest, or like you said, because
a lot of it is solo, or piece in
It is, yeah, I think a lot of the
time it's very much like a solo
adventure, you know,
props to the people who can do it
together. I think it really just
takes two people who really, really
understand what each other want to
go out there and to get to that
point, you have to spend a lot time
with that person fishing.
Otherwise, like the patience,
it just takes patience, especially
if someone doesn't really know how
to fish. It takes a lot patience.
So I think, yeah, I
could probably do a little bit
better.
Of learning some of that stuff
because I'm not, I'm not, i wouldn't
call myself a real angler.
I'm more of on the scientific side
of things, but yeah.
When you I think there's
a stereotype when people see a woman
fishing with a man
Yeah!
She just wants to be with them.
She doesn't even know what she's
doing. But there's probably a lot
of cases where...
Oh yeah, there's plenty
of people that are much better
than men at fishing.
You know, I haven't met
a whole lot of them.
I think if you go out west there's a
whole lot more of fly fishing and
all that.
But, you know, it's,
I'm hoping it's an up-and-coming
thing that more women take on to it.
It might make those fish pictures
more, like, nice.
They're like, you, know, like people
want it more.
But yeah, I don't know,
don't see a whole lot of women
fishing out there anymore.
I guess it's never really been that
way, but hopefully soon.
I don't know.
All right, yeah, thank you so much.
Yeah, just so I have it correct for
this section say and spell your name
yeah yeah yeah uh kelsey turen
k-e-l s-e y t-h-u-r-i-n
and what would your title be?
An LTE limited term
employee, okay
And you are currently a grad student
or are you?
Yeah, current grad student at
UW-Green Bay.
Okay, cool.
Sweet.
Surprised? All right, yeah, I'm
surprised. All right.
So give me your perspective on
fishpicks, dating, fishing and
relationships.
What's the advice you give?
What are the questions?
Right yeah so
fish picks are like big thing
in our demographic for sure.
Um I feel like
oh jeez sorry cameras
crazy for me.
All right let me let me think about
that.
So, you're in your mid-20s,
approximately? Yeah, I just
graduated. Okay, so you've been
through the dating cycle.
So you've probably seen, you know,
online dating sites and so
how often are
most of the pictures of people out
there holding?
Yeah, great question.
So I feel like you see it a lot,
especially in the Northwoods because
that's kind of like what a lot of
guys do up here.
And so I went to school in
Ashland, right, so it's right on
Lake Superior.
It's all about fishing.
Is it, you talked about being in the
Northwoods, is it, so,
I guess for people out there, do
they have to be open to that,
or is it if they're from maybe
Madison or farther south,
where they have it more picky, are
women up here a little more open
to them? That's just what you're
gonna get.
I feel like, yeah, it's
definitely what people do
up here.
Jeez, man, I am so bad
at this. Maybe you don't want me on
here. No, you're fine. Just don't
overthink it. Just go with your
first thing. I am, yeah.
So I guess for you, do you have
a fish pick?
Do you?
Oh yeah, for sure.
I love fishing and so it's
like...
What kind of questions do you get
from some of your friends?
What are the things they ask you,
like if they...
Oh shoot okay
here's my thing i feel like
i'm pro fish pick
you know like so i'm
not the like stereotype maybe you're
looking for no
No, we're looking for everything.
Everything, okay.
No, you have a certain background
that obviously is going to make you
predispose to one thought,
but that's yours.
All right, so I'm all about the fish
pick, kind of what,
can I reference her?
Yeah.
Yeah, sort of like what Kelsey was
saying, you know, it's all about how
they're holding the fish.
Yeah, it shows a lot how like
natural you are with it and
if it's like forced or what's
going on, right.
Are you one where that's
the most natural smile you're going
to see?
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's
just like, fish are so
cool, right, like they
swim, like underwater
they're breathing, they're so old,
you know, it's like,
they are so cool.
So should women worry about,
like, will he love me as much as the
fish?
So it depends on what you're looking
for in a relationship, right?
I like look for passion.
So if someone's passionate
about fishing, then that's
the person for me, right.
It's all perspective
in that sense.
I want someone who's going to go
out.
And even if it's raining,
they still want to fish.
That's cool.
Oh, shoot.
But I guess all
the women that are into it, that's
just their loss, right?
Totally, it's their loss, you know,
like,
but it's good for me.
Can I get you to say and spell your
name, just so I have it clear?
Yeah, yeah, it is Coco,
C-O-C-O, Eberhard,
E-B-E-R-H-A-R
D.
And what is your title here?
Fisheries technician.
Like, there'd be times I'd be out
working and there's no people within
20 miles of you and you're just
like in the middle of nowhere.
Like, you can't even find something
like that here where you're that
remote.
Yeah, not by that much.
You're good.
All right, so what's
your thought on the fish pick?
Because I'm sure as a guy, you
probably have a lot of guy friends,
do they ever ask you, it's like,
hey, does this look like a good
picture? What should I put on my
dating profile?
I'm for it, I don't know, I have a
lot of fish pictures, that's like
most of my camera roll, as
I love to fish, I work with fish, I
take a lot them.
So I'm four it, so I know some
people aren't, like a lot women, or
maybe they don't wanna see that.
For me, like I
would love to see, like pictures of
women with fish. Like I wanna be
dating somebody, marrying somebody
who loves to do the things that I
care about too.
So I am all for it.
If there's a woman who
purposely won't swipe the
correct way on a guy with a
fishpick, is that
kind of clearing the field, making
it easier if she's that opposed
to it, or should they be
more open?
I think that it's important that
people are true to who they kind
of are and the things that they care
about. Like for me, if that's
something that they're not
for, it might not be the right fit
for myself personally, but that
doesn't mean it's an inherently bad
thing because everyone has different
preferences and not everyone cares
about the same things that I do.
And in an area like this, you might
not see that as frequently because
everybody up here loves to fish and
that's part of why you live up
somewhere like Northern Wisconsin.
But other places in the world,
people care about different things
and have different passions and
hobbies.
I think it kind of just depends on
the person.
What is the advice you would give
people who are entering into
a relationship with someone who
loves to fish and if they're not as
much of a fisher person and not as
much of an angler because you know
there's that whole thing of like
well where will their first love
be?
Yeah, I think there's a balance for
sure.
Like you can have a hobby that you
care about very much and do it
frequently and still make time
for the other person that's in your
life. And you can find a way to
balance that. Like they may not like
fishing. Like my mom, for example,
my mom does not fish, my dad does.
But whenever my dad goes out, my mom
loves to come out just to be on the
boat. And so there's ways to balance
that sometimes that might mean
that you're picking maybe her hobby
over yours, right?
And balancing it that way or, all
right, I'm not gonna go fishing today
because we're gonna do the thing
that you like to do.
And I think if you have that balance
and you have that honest
communication where you're
able to be doing
the things that both people like to
do, I think it can work just fine.
But how does fishing work as a
couple's thing? Like, is it possible
if someone's really focused on
fishing and then they bring a
partner along that, like,
if they don't match the energy, I
mean, can that work?
I think so.
I think you can still,
I've been in relationships where I
still fish a lot and they maybe
haven't, and it can still work
just fine.
It might not mean that you're doing
it as much as you did before,
but if you truly care about them
that much, you can work through
that, I think. And sometimes,
maybe they just haven't gotten the
opportunity to fish yet.
You bring them along and maybe they
actually like it.
That can happen too.
Spread the gospel of fishing for
sure for sure.
So a question for you.
Do you have pictures of
yourself where you're not holding a
fish and you're smiling
A few, a few.
Some of those I might be or
might not be sitting behind a deer,
which whether that's the same thing
or not, up to the first,
I do have some but not a ton.
I would say like 90% of the pictures
of myself are either with an
animal or a fish.
And that's where your biggest smiles
are going to come.
100% 100% I would say the ones that
don't are like me with family or
me with significant other And it's
just us as people but like just
myself.
I don't have a ton of pictures of
just me
Alright, so if you're with a picture
of your girlfriend, are you smiling?
Yeah.
As big as when you're holding a
big fish.
Absolutely.
To prove it.
I could, yeah, I could.
Alright, in
terms of the broader
community, do guys or
girls ever come up to you and ask
like, why do guys put so many fish
picks on there?
What should I worry about if I see
all these?
I've never had anyone ask me that.
I think, I don't know,
it might just be a difference in
guys versus girls.
I think girls maybe are more open,
or more wanting to take pictures of
just themselves doing other things.
At least for me, I'm not a huge
picture person on
other things that are not,
oh, I caught this awesome fish, or I
got this awesome deer, or whatever.
But that's not something I've ever
been asked about, so I
don't know for sure.
And I guess that is probably
the truth about a lot of guys, if
that's what they're taking pictures
of then that's going to make up
the most of the pictures they have
if they could say, this is who I am.
Yeah, yeah, I would say so for sure.
And those are the two of the things that
I'm most passionate about.
So just naturally, that's what a lot
of the pictures are gonna entail.
Can I get you to say and spell your
name so I have it correct?
T-Y-L-E-R Tyler,
and then H-O-F-F M-A-N Hoffman.
All right, and what is your title
here?
I'm a fisheries technician.
Fisheries technician.
So indeed, you want to show us?
There we go.
All right, reach for the camera.
Back up a little bit for me.
And so when's that from?
Last fall.
Just hold it there.
It's going to be awkward but we're
just going to count to like 10 more
seconds and we'll get a good shot of
it.
Okay, cool, you can bring your phone
down.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Of course.