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Thank you all for joining us this

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afternoon.

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My name is Satya Rhodes-Conway.

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I'm the mayor of Madison, Wisconsin.

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I want to thank Chief Patterson,

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Council President Madison, and

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Reverend Allen for being here as

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well.

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And I want start first by

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offering my very sincere condolences

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to the family of Corey Ruiz.

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My immediate concern right

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now is for the well-being

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of our community.

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I want to make sure.

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That everyone who needs it has

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access to resources and

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mental health support.

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Those resources exist and are

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available to you if you need them.

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If you need urgent support,

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please use the 988 lifeline.

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You can call or text 988

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to be connected with that support.

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You can also text HOME,

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that's H-O-M-E,

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or OLA, H- O-A-L-A.

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To 741-741.

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That's 741 741

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to reach a live volunteer crisis

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counselor 24-7.

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Dane County also has a crisis

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hotline. That number is

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608-280-2609.

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Again, that's 608

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280-2 609.

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There are also more resources

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available on the public health

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website, which publichealthmdc.com

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slash resources.

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This is an incredibly difficult

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moment for the Madison community,

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and I understand the very

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strong emotions that people are

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feeling.

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I am feeling them too.

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As a city, as a community,

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as society, we have to do better.

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I want to be clear.

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It does not matter who

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you are or what your

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past is.

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You should not lose your life

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as a result of an encounter with law

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enforcement.

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That should not happen.

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Like many in our community today,

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I have a lot of questions and

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concerns about what happened

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yesterday.

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What decisions were made by

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officers that led to

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escalation instead of de-escalation?

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What different choices could have

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been made to prevent harm?

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What needs to change

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in police policy

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or training or anything else

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to prevent more deaths?

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This officer-involved shooting

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must be rigorously investigated,

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and it will be.

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The process has already started with

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the Department of Criminal

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Investigation, but that's

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just the first step.

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The DA will play a role,

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as will the Independent Monitor and

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the Police Civilian Oversight Board.

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Our community deserves full

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transparency and accountability.

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It's really understandable that

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people want answers right now.

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I want them to.

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But the honest truth is that good

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investigations take time.

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We have to let the

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investigation play out.

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But believe me,

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anything that we can do on the city

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side to hasten that,

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we will.

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And beyond the formal investigation,

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I think there are questions that

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have to be answered.

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The days and weeks ahead,

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the Common Council and myself,

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as representatives of the community,

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will do our best to get and

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share information and to

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create spaces to have the

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conversations that need to be had.

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I'm going to let Council President

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Madison share more details

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about community listening sessions.

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But I also want to mention that

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there is a vigil tonight that's

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planned that I encourage people to

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attend if they feel so

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motivated.

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I also want to emphasize that the

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safety of the community is paramount

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right now.

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People have every right to

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peacefully protest, and

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I urge people to do that safely and

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to take care of themselves in the

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process.

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The city is working to help

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facilitate this.

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I'll close with this.

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Dr. Anthony of the Urban League said

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earlier today in their statement

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that public safety

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I quote that statement,

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a just community must protect

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residents from violence and also

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protect them from unnecessary harm

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by the very systems entrusted

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with their safety.

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Public safety cannot be measured

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only by enforcement.

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It must also be measured by dignity,

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restraint, accountability, fairness

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and the preservation of life.

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End quote.

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Madison should be a just community.

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We can be a Just Community.

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But we have work to do to

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truly be aJust

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Community.

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I'll hand the podium to Council

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President Sabrina Madison.

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All righty,

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first of all, can you hear me okay?

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Thank you.

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All right, so.

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I guess for me, I start with,

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um,

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Corey could be a Charles.

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Charles can be a Clyde who's

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stepping into the room.

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Clyde can be Michael.

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Michael can be Tony.

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Tony can be Lashawn.

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Lashawne can be James.

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James can be Randall.

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Randall can be Tyrell.

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I can go on and on on and on,

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but.

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Corey could have been my brother,

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because my brother is homeless.

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He often rides a bike when we meet

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and Corey could have been

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a Charles.

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But speaking of Corey specifically,

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Corey has a family who

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loves him.

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I believe Corey has child.

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Cory is a human being.

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Cory came from a

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mother, a mother

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who gave birth to him.

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came through into the world through

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a traditional birth, likely.

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And so you imagine when you take

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this child home, you have

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all of these hopes for your kid.

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You hope they grow up to be

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astronauts, presidents,

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entrepreneurs.

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Business owners, community leaders.

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You have all of these hopes for your

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kids.

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you know, you begin to, especially

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if you're raising a black child and

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a black male child, you have to

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have very difficult conversations.

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My son is 31, and I've

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had those difficult conversations,

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not just with my own son, but

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with my three brothers.

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So, the conversations

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normally look like, don't

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go out by yourself alone.

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If the police stop you,

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you teach your kid all of these

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mechanics of what you need to

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do if you're stopped by the police.

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Make sure the police can see your

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hands.

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Pull over right away.

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Turn on all of your lights.

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All of these mechanisms of just

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moving about the world, you sort

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of have to give this young black

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child all of the restrictions

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on how they move about the word

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versus this freedom that

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when you're raising white boys, for

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I have, most of us have

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friends who are white folks with

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little white kids.

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of my female white

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friends with children giving

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their children the same directions

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that I have had to give my son.

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So I just want to go back

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to Corey is a person.

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He's a human being.

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He has a family.

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He has parents who

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loved him.

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Who brought him home,

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who cared for him, who poured into

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him.

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young person into adulthood,

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as they mature into adulthood

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you begin to see some of those

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hopes that you have for them

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realized.

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They become parents,

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they become career people,

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they become high school graduates,

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they become college folks, they

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became union workers, they become

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all kinds of things.

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Um, seeing first getting

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the call from, you

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know, when your council leadership,

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you get all the phone calls about

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emergencies.

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So, you know, I get the phone

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call and your

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first inclination is to

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get online and see what is

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happening.

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And you know I get online to see

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what is happening and I see a video

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of who

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I will learn later is Corey.

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And I don't I don't see

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what's happening altogether.

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There's some cars in a way, but

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I can hear the sounds.

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I can here the sounds, I can

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the words, taser,

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and I can just hear the

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shots, and it's the shots that don't

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escape you.

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finally see videos with a bit

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more detail, and I'm telling

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you, I'm like,

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my first thought is when the

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officer is walking away, why isn't

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he walking away in cuffs?

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That's my first thoughts.

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Because I'm just, I'm

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looking at a Corey who can be

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a Charles, who can be a Clyde,

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who could be my son.

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And I'm angry, there's

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like no way around it.

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And while we know that there'll be

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investigations and all of that, the

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thing for me is that his death

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is final.

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And for us who have lost

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loved ones and have

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grieved loved ones, or for some of

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us who may be taking a longer path

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to the passing of a loved one,

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it is a very

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difficult thing to

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experience.

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So my thoughts are with his

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family.

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His family that nurtured

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him and poured

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into him because they

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no longer have him because his death

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is final.

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There's no coming back from death.

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So that's where my

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thoughts have been.

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I, of course,

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want an

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investigation that's comprehensive,

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that's complete, that's not

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bullshit, and you know, you want all

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of those things.

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And I don't want

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something that's like a

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six month process.

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Or a nine-month process, and

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we often hear that, you

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know, it can be a while.

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So I want to encourage everybody,

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not just, I guess

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I want encourage everybody that

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we should all be encouraging and

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pushing everyone part of the

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process.

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Push the Department of Criminal

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Investigations to investigate

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comprehensively and fairly

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and release information as

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soon as possible.

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We should be pushing and

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advocating for our district

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attorney.

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To charge folks when

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the community is reviewing

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the information, it may feel through

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that information we have received,

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the person should be charged.

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So I want you to engage your

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district attorney, our district

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attorney as well.

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I want to engage the

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office of the independent monitor

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because like DCI, they are,

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you know, they investigate a body as

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well, engage them.

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I want your to engage a police and

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fire commission.

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I spent about an hour on the phone

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earlier today from an attorney out

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of the Milwaukee area and

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a local community member.

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And she serves

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for her local bodies, police

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and fire commission.

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I want you to file complaints

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with him. I want you file

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complaints. With our local Madison

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Police Department, I want you

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to take every route to

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justice for Corey.

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I don't think you should limit

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yourselves.

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I won't you to continue to reach

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out to the common council.

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I want you to continue to reach out

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to the county.

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I want to reach to your state

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legislators because

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if Corey, who can

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be Charles, who can be Clyde, who

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could be Jerome, who be this

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person in front of me,

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then if the protocol

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to go that quickly

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to shoot this gentleman

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in the head three times and

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that is an option, I

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don't know how that is an options.

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My brain has not been able to put...

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That together as an option.

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Because I didn't see anything that

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warranted it.

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So.

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If we are told later

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that that was an option because

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of what preceded the shooting,

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then we need to be

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advocating at every level

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00:23:25,450 --> 00:23:27,409
of government for these

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kinds of directives to change.

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I don't think we should

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end it here, I guess.

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I think it's at every local, every

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level, of government.

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It is every body,

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every election, elected folks

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at every level of government.

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That has a responsibility.

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00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:46,899
We have folks who are running for

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00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:48,819
office right now,

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00:23:48,820 --> 00:23:50,459
are the folks listening, talking to

401
00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:52,499
those folks, how are they going to

402
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respond to this legislatively

403
00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:56,199
outside of their vote on

404
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,199
August 11th or in November?

405
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,939
How does this impact what they're

406
00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:01,199
doing right now?

407
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,139
How does it impact the policies that

408
00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:04,359
they've already drafted and have

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00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,519
been running on?

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00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,959
Do they respond with different

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00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,779
policy legislation?

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Do they just get to say, we just

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00:24:10,580 --> 00:24:12,039
want an investigation?

414
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,299
Well, if they're elected, they have

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a responsibility to the voters

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to update

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00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,099
legislation around our policing

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00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:20,100
across the state.

419
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,759
So, the other thing I wanna say

420
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,039
is I've spent a considerable amount

421
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,859
of years giving back to

422
00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:27,079
the community, making myself

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00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,779
available in tons of spaces.

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And I'm mostly private because

425
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mental health is not something that

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any of us should take lightly.

427
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And I wanna implore, especially

428
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other auditors to use services

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00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:38,419
available to us.

430
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I wanna employ community members to.

431
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,019
Access resources, my assumption is

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that Pastor Allen will share some of

433
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,159
that. But the Behavioral Health

434
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,179
Center from Dane County is a

435
00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:49,779
really great resource and a really

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00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:51,679
good confidential resource.

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00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,139
I've made a ton of referrals and

438
00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:54,959
have had positive successes with

439
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,960
them over the years.

440
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,879
The other thing I wanna say about

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00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,880
the listening session. Thank you.

442
00:25:00,810 --> 00:25:02,889
We would have held that tonight, but

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00:25:02,890 --> 00:25:05,169
overnight or some point between

444
00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:06,849
last night and this morning, I

445
00:25:06,850 --> 00:25:08,549
learned there's a vigil for core

446
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today at five o'clock.

447
00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:10,749
So that listening session will not

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happen tonight.

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00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:13,569
I expect to have an update hopefully

450
00:25:13,570 --> 00:25:15,469
by Monday morning because

451
00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:17,289
you know, when you're reserving city

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00:25:17,290 --> 00:25:18,789
space, there's some logistics that

453
00:25:18,790 --> 00:25:20,049
you need to work out first.

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00:25:20,050 --> 00:25:21,329
So I expect you to be able to give

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an update by Monday morning.

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But again, I just want to end by

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00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:28,089
saying that just as a reminder that

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Corey has a family

459
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,239
the family poured into him.

460
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,299
And Corey's family won't get to

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00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:37,139
see his family's

462
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:38,499
hopes and dreams for him.

463
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:39,639
Like the things that we're all

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00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,319
sitting here with who likely for

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00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,119
those of us who have still at least

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00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,619
a one living parent, my mother still

467
00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:46,039
has hopes and drinks for me, you

468
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,939
know. So he his

469
00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:49,259
family doesn't get toe see those

470
00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:51,319
things realized for him

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00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,579
and so

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00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,859
I've had what 24 hours

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00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:57,699
maybe toe process it.

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00:25:57,700 --> 00:25:59,599
But I guess I just I just want to

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00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,479
say that That is not

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00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,480
this.

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00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,699
The only thing I can say is that's

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00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,459
not the option that we want

479
00:26:06,460 --> 00:26:08,399
available for us, if

480
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,359
that makes sense.

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00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,519
That's, we should,

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00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,199
the option should be off the table.

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00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,479
And if this option was,

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00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,579
I don't believe it was an

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00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:19,519
appropriate option to take.

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00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,099
And my hope is that the

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00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:22,499
investigation shows that it was not

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00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:24,639
in, you know, maybe

489
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,499
it will, maybe it won't, but

490
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:28,559
whatever the outcome is, I think all

491
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,089
of us should be advocating.

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00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:31,669
For that option to be taken off the

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00:26:31,670 --> 00:26:33,769
table and for training

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to be improved.

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00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:37,909
And maybe we need to be changing our

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00:26:37,910 --> 00:26:39,329
standards of what it looks like to

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00:26:39,330 --> 00:26:41,349
know that you're fit to be in

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00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:42,549
our community, serve in our

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00:26:42,550 --> 00:26:44,389
communities because too

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00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:46,589
often we have a quarry

501
00:26:46,590 --> 00:26:48,469
and too often, we have quarry

502
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:50,409
that doesn't allow, does not get

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00:26:50,410 --> 00:26:51,969
to sort of.

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00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:56,339
His parents don't get to see

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their everything that they have for

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him realized.

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So that's all I have.

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00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:02,700
And she Patterson.

509
00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:08,220
Thank you.

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00:27:11,010 --> 00:27:13,709
Uh good afternoon um

511
00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:15,689
i know we have new folks in

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00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:17,669
the in the room um i

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00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:19,509
want to just introduce myself quick

514
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:21,169
but first thank you mayor thank you

515
00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:22,989
president uh

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00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:24,849
madison for your comments my

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00:27:24,850 --> 00:27:26,649
name is john paterson i'm the chief

518
00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:27,809
of police of the madison police

519
00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:29,689
department uh

520
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:31,549
i moved here in 1994

521
00:27:31,550 --> 00:27:33,529
i've

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00:27:33,530 --> 00:27:34,549
been a member of this community

523
00:27:34,550 --> 00:27:36,929
since then and i've served

524
00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:38,628
our community.

525
00:27:38,629 --> 00:27:40,809
For about a year now as

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00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:42,669
your police chief,

527
00:27:42,670 --> 00:27:44,389
but I've served as a member of the

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00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:45,549
department since 1998

529
00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:50,849
I want to begin by speaking

530
00:27:50,850 --> 00:27:51,850
plainly.

531
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,679
Yesterday a young man, a young

532
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,899
member of our community died

533
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:00,539
after an encounter with one of our

534
00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:01,540
officers.

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00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:04,839
He was in his 30s and

536
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,739
I know he had a family who cared

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00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:09,799
for him and

538
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,099
I knew he had community who cared.

539
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,519
His family is grieving today

540
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,539
and our entire community

541
00:28:16,540 --> 00:28:18,359
I believe is grieving alongside

542
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:19,739
them.

543
00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:21,559
I don't want to rush past that

544
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,560
fact.

545
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:25,129
To share with you

546
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:26,309
what will come next.

547
00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:31,179
I want to take time to outline the

548
00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:33,099
process for all of

549
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:35,519
you when a death occurs

550
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,399
in any community

551
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,339
in Wisconsin that involves police.

552
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,239
This is an open and active homicide

553
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,920
investigation right now.

554
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,099
In accordance with state statute,

555
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:52,219
long-standing practice, the Madison

556
00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:54,199
Police Department has for a

557
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,619
thorough and independent

558
00:28:56,620 --> 00:28:58,259
criminal investigation into

559
00:28:58,260 --> 00:28:59,260
yesterday's shooting.

560
00:29:00,860 --> 00:29:02,759
So at the request of us

561
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,579
at the MPD, the

562
00:29:04,580 --> 00:29:06,339
Wisconsin Department of Justice

563
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:08,259
Division of Criminal Investigation,

564
00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:10,719
or has been called DCI

565
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,659
by me and others in the past,

566
00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:14,019
they will lead this homicide

567
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:15,020
investigation.

568
00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:18,819
As you know, DCI is a statewide

569
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:20,399
agency.

570
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,559
They have experience and expertise

571
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,339
in these types of situations.

572
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,799
These types of situation that

573
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,660
involve police and police shootings.

574
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:34,809
So they are fully in charge of this

575
00:29:34,810 --> 00:29:36,149
investigation.

576
00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:37,969
DCI is fully in-charge

577
00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:39,210
of this investigation.

578
00:29:41,270 --> 00:29:43,429
During these investigations,

579
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:45,349
their agents quickly respond to the

580
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:47,249
scene, they process it

581
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:49,069
for evidence, they

582
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:51,069
thoroughly document the scene,

583
00:29:51,070 --> 00:29:52,769
they analyze video that they can

584
00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:54,589
find, canvas for

585
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:57,169
video, they interview witnesses,

586
00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:58,630
they create their own documents.

587
00:30:00,170 --> 00:30:02,129
DCI will also release the name

588
00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:04,069
of the officer who fired his

589
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:05,929
firearm at some point in their

590
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:07,909
investigation and I sincerely hope

591
00:30:07,910 --> 00:30:08,910
that is soon.

592
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:11,859
Once all of the facts and

593
00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:14,059
information have been gathered, DCI

594
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:15,439
will then present it to the district

595
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,319
attorney's office for

596
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,380
that review and decision.

597
00:30:20,780 --> 00:30:22,999
So this process exists precisely

598
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,879
so that no department in Wisconsin

599
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,539
investigates itself and

600
00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:29,379
its own actions involving

601
00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:30,400
its community members.

602
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,699
I'm not gonna stand here today and

603
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:35,919
render a verdict or an opinion about

604
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,739
what the investigation will find

605
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:38,839
because I believe that will

606
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,289
jeopardize what we all want,

607
00:30:41,290 --> 00:30:43,189
which is independence, an

608
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:44,190
independent review.

609
00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:48,109
What I can promise you

610
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:50,229
is that this department will

611
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:52,049
cooperate fully with DCI

612
00:30:52,050 --> 00:30:53,889
and we will not hide from any aspect

613
00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:54,890
of this investigation.

614
00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:59,159
So I've been thinking a lot today

615
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,999
about a former chief

616
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,999
who led this department for 21

617
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,420
years, David Cooper.

618
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:07,739
So long before community policing

619
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,119
was a phrase that

620
00:31:10,340 --> 00:31:11,149
people...

621
00:31:11,150 --> 00:31:13,029
Seem to use casually now, he built

622
00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:14,429
this department upon that

623
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:15,430
conviction.

624
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:18,229
Um, he builds it upon something

625
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:20,069
he would plainly, uh,

626
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:21,929
say that you cannot

627
00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:23,449
do the job unless you have the

628
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:24,450
support of your community.

629
00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:27,929
Years after he left office,

630
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:29,889
um, he wrote something

631
00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:32,469
that I think this department has

632
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:34,989
to sit with very honestly right now.

633
00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:36,749
He said that the use of physical

634
00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:38,969
force by police is

635
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:40,650
a sacred and public trust.

636
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:44,749
More than, he also

637
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:46,769
said that more than the force

638
00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:48,829
of department uses, the less

639
00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:50,829
trust and support it has from the

640
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:52,009
people it serves.

641
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:54,049
The more force we use,

642
00:31:54,050 --> 00:31:55,050
the more trust we have.

643
00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:58,489
That is the tension that we are

644
00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:59,529
living through right now in this

645
00:31:59,530 --> 00:32:01,389
city, and I can physically

646
00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:02,390
feel it.

647
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,099
I also want to name something

648
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:08,779
directly because I know the city has

649
00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:10,199
not forgotten about it and will not

650
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,200
be silent about it.

651
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:14,209
And I referenced it somewhat

652
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:15,429
yesterday, but this shooting

653
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:17,809
happened a block and a half from

654
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:19,669
where Tony Robinson was shot and

655
00:32:19,670 --> 00:32:21,009
killed by a Madison police officer

656
00:32:21,010 --> 00:32:22,010
in 2015.

657
00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:27,009
It happened near the same corner

658
00:32:27,010 --> 00:32:29,169
where Paul Heenan was

659
00:32:29,170 --> 00:32:30,809
shot and killed by a police officer

660
00:32:30,810 --> 00:32:32,510
in Madison in 2012.

661
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:35,629
So three fatal encounters with

662
00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:37,589
your police department within

663
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:39,409
roughly 14 years

664
00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:41,429
on the same handful of

665
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:42,430
blocks.

666
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:44,769
I'm not going to stand here

667
00:32:44,770 --> 00:32:46,249
and draw a legal conclusion about

668
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:47,769
any of the three, but I'm saying it

669
00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:48,929
because I think we all have to

670
00:32:48,930 --> 00:32:49,930
recognize it.

671
00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:52,589
We have to recognize the trauma

672
00:32:52,590 --> 00:32:54,269
that this community.

673
00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:56,209
Has gone through is experiencing now

674
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:58,089
again and

675
00:32:58,090 --> 00:32:59,309
pretending that this is the first

676
00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:01,369
time I would ask this

677
00:33:01,370 --> 00:33:03,049
community to forget trauma and

678
00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:04,549
forget losses endured.

679
00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:05,809
And I will not do that.

680
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:11,019
Trust in this department is not

681
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:13,239
something any of us can assume.

682
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,099
It is by far our greatest commodity.

683
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:18,879
It must be earned continuously, and

684
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,839
I think it can be lost in

685
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,840
a single afternoon.

686
00:33:24,340 --> 00:33:25,819
The thinnest of trust in the city

687
00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:27,799
right now did not start.

688
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,999
Well, we can shut this down.

689
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,539
You can stop talking, because we

690
00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:32,019
don't want to hear anything you've

691
00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:33,419
been saying. You're going to say the

692
00:33:33,420 --> 00:33:35,559
same thing you all say every time a

693
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,119
black body gets shot down in this

694
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,079
city. This is a corrupt city.

695
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:39,859
That's right.

696
00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:40,699
Have no fear.

697
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:42,479
The anti-Zionist is here.

698
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,499
You understand me?

699
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,239
You won't be able to talk today,

700
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,759
because I'm going to keep talking,

701
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,599
because I was born to talk my talk

702
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,219
and walk my walk, too.

703
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:51,879
I told these young people back here

704
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,719
on our way here that we have

705
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,659
the power. Not that badge,

706
00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:56,579
not that weapon.

707
00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:58,259
We have the power.

708
00:33:58,260 --> 00:34:00,119
The city of Madison is corrupt.

709
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,019
From the DA to the,

710
00:34:02,020 --> 00:34:04,059
what's the name of this, the

711
00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:06,019
Department of Independent

712
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:08,339
Monitoring. We don't want any

713
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:09,379
of that talk.

714
00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:11,218
You've given us this speech

715
00:34:11,219 --> 00:34:13,019
with, you'll deliver justice.

716
00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:15,499
Oh, we've seen the cameras.

717
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:17,178
We've seen. It was a knife in this

718
00:34:17,179 --> 00:34:18,039
young man's hand.

719
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,698
We don't want to hear that today.

720
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:21,319
We didn't want to here it when they

721
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,138
put their neck on George Floyd's

722
00:34:23,139 --> 00:34:25,059
neck. We don't their foot on George

723
00:34:25,060 --> 00:34:26,819
Floyd's neck and we don't want to

724
00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:27,698
hear it today.

725
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:29,138
That's the what do you have to say

726
00:34:29,139 --> 00:34:30,428
about that?

727
00:34:30,429 --> 00:34:32,269
Oh, you don't get to talk, and I say

728
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:33,169
it. Right.

729
00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:34,928
Go ahead. Enough is enough.

730
00:34:34,929 --> 00:34:35,879
I'll step aside.

731
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,519
That's right, give me this

732
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,359
microphone then, excuse me.

733
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,979
That's, right. My name is Carlos

734
00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:41,879
Stanton.

735
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,879
I represent AppTap, all power

736
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:44,968
to all people.

737
00:34:44,969 --> 00:34:46,928
Zero power to Zionists,

738
00:34:46,929 --> 00:34:49,029
zero power to capitalists, zero

739
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:49,959
power.

740
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,259
Colonialism.

741
00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:53,399
What you are doing right now in

742
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,279
this city is continuing

743
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,099
the disgusting

744
00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:00,259
nature of colonialism,

745
00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:01,499
the disgusting nature of

746
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:02,519
imperialism.

747
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,939
Look up the definition of

748
00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:05,779
imperialism, it's all within the

749
00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:07,499
policies, which means when these

750
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,419
police officers come down on

751
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:10,719
the street and they decide that they

752
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,559
want to take the life of another

753
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,879
brown body, there is no oversight

754
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,859
for that. That's imperialism ladies

755
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:17,699
and gentlemen.

756
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,659
This man signed up to be

757
00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:21,919
an enforcer of imperialism.

758
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,619
Is there anybody else wanna say

759
00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:24,620
anything?

760
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,559
It doesn't matter what okay the

761
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,959
people want to talk come

762
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,539
up here the people want to top the

763
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:34,179
people wanna talk come over here

764
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:36,079
this is our our press conference

765
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,019
and i put my lips all over

766
00:35:38,020 --> 00:35:40,039
this microphone power

767
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,979
to the people no power designers

768
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:43,899
that's right anybody got

769
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:45,799
anything they want to say let us

770
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,179
know you got some questions y'all

771
00:35:47,180 --> 00:35:48,979
want to ask ask us some questions

772
00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:51,139
We're taking questions,

773
00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:52,249
anybody.

774
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:53,589
I didn't think so.

775
00:35:53,590 --> 00:35:55,729
Turn up your Zionist noses,

776
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:57,889
because your entire communications

777
00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:00,009
and media department is all about

778
00:36:00,010 --> 00:36:01,989
Zionism and colonialism.

779
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:03,249
We will not stand.

780
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:04,829
I am a part of the class that has

781
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:06,649
been oppressed and struggled my

782
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:07,629
entire life.

783
00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:09,509
My grandmother struggled, my mother

784
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:10,849
struggled, that grandmother

785
00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:12,829
struggled. Those people struggled.

786
00:36:12,830 --> 00:36:14,709
We go back enough far enough and

787
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:16,489
we can see that there was a white

788
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:18,669
European that us that

789
00:36:18,670 --> 00:36:21,109
stole land that committed genocide

790
00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:22,929
right here on America and you

791
00:36:22,930 --> 00:36:25,169
guys want to host your bourgeoisie

792
00:36:25,170 --> 00:36:27,149
revolution you guys want to run your

793
00:36:27,150 --> 00:36:29,879
mouths about the how

794
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,079
Disgusting socialism is you haven't

795
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:32,939
seen socialism.

796
00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:35,859
Okay. I am a revolutionary

797
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:36,899
Intercommunalist, okay.

798
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:38,779
I believe that there is no

799
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:40,019
separation of the struggle.

800
00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:42,259
You see my hand right here This

801
00:36:42,260 --> 00:36:43,539
is how you fret. This is

802
00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:45,479
fragmentation all of these struggle,

803
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,280
Palestine Congo America

804
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:51,439
Sudan Venezuela, but

805
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,639
when you put that fist together you

806
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,979
get the power of intercommunalism

807
00:36:55,980 --> 00:36:57,659
So I'm on Donald Trump side.

808
00:36:57,660 --> 00:36:59,839
Okay I don't like communism because

809
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,979
you guys have rebranded communism.

810
00:37:01,980 --> 00:37:03,899
You guys have took socialism and

811
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:05,699
the fight for liberation and turned

812
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,079
it into something you can profit

813
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,199
for. Just like the

814
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,419
non-profit organizations inside

815
00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:13,079
of this city, I've seen the

816
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,959
paperwork. I've followed the paper

817
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,179
trail. I have smelled the Zionism

818
00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:19,119
all throughout your city.

819
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,979
It is time for you guys to wrap

820
00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:22,059
it up.

821
00:37:22,060 --> 00:37:23,319
It's time to go.

822
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,499
You don't have no questions.

823
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:25,999
Let's go. It won't be no meeting

824
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,019
today.

825
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:28,099
You go go for it.

826
00:37:31,390 --> 00:37:33,109
That we are all here for a

827
00:37:33,110 --> 00:37:34,409
conversation.

828
00:37:34,410 --> 00:37:36,429
And I would like

829
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:38,329
to hear what

830
00:37:38,330 --> 00:37:39,969
the police chief has to finish

831
00:37:39,970 --> 00:37:40,809
saying.

832
00:37:40,810 --> 00:37:42,629
And I want you to also be a part of

833
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:44,569
that conversation because this is

834
00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:46,489
an opportunity for us to have

835
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:47,589
a conversation

836
00:37:47,590 --> 00:37:49,169
So what you're doing is you're

837
00:37:49,170 --> 00:37:51,289
coddling up to imperialism, brother.

838
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:52,889
There will be no coddling to

839
00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:54,509
imperialist. If you don't have a

840
00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:56,569
question about what kind of charges

841
00:37:56,570 --> 00:37:58,469
are going to be brought by the no

842
00:37:58,470 --> 00:38:01,489
soul, you are coddling imperialism.

843
00:38:01,490 --> 00:38:02,889
I don't stand for that.

844
00:38:02,890 --> 00:38:04,939
Oh I'm fundamentally

845
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:06,199
rejected, brother.

846
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,139
You can get out.

847
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:08,759
If you got some questions about

848
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,859
what's going to happen to these

849
00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:12,759
pigs that killed that young man

850
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,159
because he appeared to be homeless,

851
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,219
then let us know.

852
00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:18,339
Will there be just so, so,

853
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:19,859
that sounds like a song.

854
00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:20,780
There will be no investigation.

855
00:38:20,781 --> 00:38:21,479
That sounds like a song, there will
be no investigation.

856
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,359
The police have asked DCI

857
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,379
to do is a homicide investigation.

858
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:28,199
Oh, oh, oh. One second,

859
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,319
because I don't do the other number.

860
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,160
I don't care.

861
00:38:31,161 --> 00:38:32,959
I don't care. I don't do that.

862
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,739
They invited you to this room, young

863
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:36,419
man. They didn't invite me.

864
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:37,420
I don't. Care.

865
00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:39,359
You don't have a question.

866
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,719
You have an opinion that coddles

867
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:42,519
to capitalism.

868
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,439
Your opinion coddles

869
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,440
to imperialism.

870
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,599
Hey, that's coddling,

871
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,559
nope, for too long,

872
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,560
for too long.

873
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Matter of fact,

874
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,979
you know what, we're not having no

875
00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:01,639
conversation. And I'm giving him the

876
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,599
answer. He said, what is

877
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,159
the charges being brought up against

878
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:05,999
the officer?

879
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,679
They're asked for it to be a

880
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,379
homicide investigation.

881
00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:10,459
And that's how we all are here.

882
00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:11,519
Right.

883
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,739
So we gotta have a conversation.

884
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:15,179
We don't have to monopolize

885
00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:15,919
to get our point.

886
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,199
This microphone ain't even on.

887
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,619
No, I don't get to respond back to

888
00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:26,399
him, brother. I know the response.

889
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,439
You are out your mind.

890
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,439
If you think you're going to

891
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,259
hypnotize

892
00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:33,129
me. To believe that this young

893
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:35,369
man is going to deliver anything

894
00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:37,349
other than what we have

895
00:39:37,350 --> 00:39:38,909
already been through.

896
00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:40,269
That there is no difference.

897
00:39:40,270 --> 00:39:41,489
This is a clown show.

898
00:39:41,490 --> 00:39:43,069
This a puppet show.

899
00:39:43,070 --> 00:39:43,949
Stop it.

900
00:39:43,950 --> 00:39:45,649
That young man there in all of these

901
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:47,649
offices with these badges are

902
00:39:47,650 --> 00:39:48,569
puppets.

903
00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:50,609
The media are puppet.

904
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:52,149
That's right, y'all turn the cameras

905
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:53,969
off. I know you're an idiot, because

906
00:39:53,970 --> 00:39:55,549
you better do it, because I said I'm

907
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:56,989
an anti-zionist.

908
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:58,449
I'm anti-imperialism.

909
00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:59,369
What's your question?

910
00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:00,370
Can he talk?

911
00:40:00,970 --> 00:40:02,049
It's on the side.

912
00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:03,169
I like that answer.

913
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:04,429
What's your question? Can I let him

914
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:06,389
finish so that we can

915
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:07,330
actually hear the information?

916
00:40:07,331 --> 00:40:08,530
And now you're yelling at us!

917
00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:10,019
And you're yelling at a black woman,

918
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:11,779
continuing the discussion.

919
00:40:11,780 --> 00:40:12,799
I don't care.

920
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,539
He's raising his voice.

921
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:16,379
You're telling him something, and he

922
00:40:16,380 --> 00:40:17,239
should listen.

923
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,279
Because you are on the back

924
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,159
seat.

925
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,959
Do what you need to do.

926
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:22,220
That's right. All right.

927
00:40:22,221 --> 00:40:24,419
What you're not gonna do is tell

928
00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:25,719
her, tell her this is what she needs

929
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:26,549
to do about me.

930
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:28,529
What I'm not gonna do, what

931
00:40:28,530 --> 00:40:30,449
I'm what I not gonna do is,

932
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:32,489
is, hey, you didn't,

933
00:40:32,490 --> 00:40:34,389
no, you don't, you don't get to

934
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:35,689
walk up on me, brother.

935
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:37,349
You don't get, it don't matter.

936
00:40:37,350 --> 00:40:39,189
You don't get, you don't, I

937
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:40,629
ain't no shaking no motherfucking

938
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:42,509
hands with no imperialists.

939
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:43,809
I don't do that.

940
00:40:43,810 --> 00:40:45,869
You're in my space right

941
00:40:45,870 --> 00:40:46,669
now too.

942
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:48,789
Now I'm going back up right here and

943
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:50,669
if you keep walking up on me, I'm

944
00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:51,649
gonna show you what I'm talking

945
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:53,829
about. Let me put my things down.

946
00:40:53,830 --> 00:40:54,830
That's aggression.

947
00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:57,849
That's a sign of I'm backing up.

948
00:40:57,850 --> 00:40:59,009
This man approached me.

949
00:40:59,010 --> 00:41:00,749
I dont care if your hand was out

950
00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:01,789
brother. Don't do it.

951
00:41:01,790 --> 00:41:02,929
I'm from the ghetto.

952
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:04,229
I am from gang culture.

953
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:05,189
We don't that brother.

954
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:06,969
Don't walk up on me like that.

955
00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:08,889
I have PTSD.

956
00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:10,649
Okay, okay, good to me.

957
00:41:10,650 --> 00:41:12,979
And that's the problem right there.

958
00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:15,499
Tell him to calm down!

959
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:17,639
Tell him, tell him to calm

960
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,950
down. This ain't your show, brother.

961
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:20,920
I'm tired too!

962
00:41:20,921 --> 00:41:21,921
Here too.

963
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:25,429
This is

964
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:26,430
all I say.

965
00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:31,769
And these are the ladies

966
00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:33,689
and gentlemen that will rest that

967
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:35,369
will rest good tonight.

968
00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:36,790
They're going to sleep good.

969
00:41:36,791 --> 00:41:38,349
Good tonight. They're going to sleep
good tonight

970
00:41:38,350 --> 00:41:39,350
for us.

971
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:42,589
That's right.

972
00:41:42,590 --> 00:41:43,590
Get them done.

973
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:46,689
What's the schedule here?

974
00:41:46,690 --> 00:41:48,419
How long is this supposed to go?

975
00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:50,459
I went to the Black Hawk East

976
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:52,379
Madison College of UW-Madison.

977
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:54,099
We don't need nobody that's not from

978
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:55,579
here speaking for us.

979
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:57,439
So here's a visitor, and somebody's

980
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,479
gonna let him know that.

981
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:01,339
I don't care what they got going on,

982
00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:02,639
how they got it going on.

983
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,999
It's a new show, and we ain't

984
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,099
running it like that.

985
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:06,519
Let the police chief finish it when

986
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,399
he got a say, so we can get our

987
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,239
information that we need, and we can

988
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,020
run with it. So here's.

989
00:42:11,021 --> 00:42:12,789
So here's the thing. So here is the

990
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:14,209
thing look, it's not your show.

991
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:15,109
Here's the thing.

992
00:42:15,110 --> 00:42:16,889
We all witnessed on social media

993
00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:18,089
last night.

994
00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:19,889
A human being take the life of

995
00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:21,229
another human being.

996
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:22,569
Stop it.

997
00:42:22,570 --> 00:42:23,909
Stop. It. Stop it.

998
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:26,209
Stop it, stop it.

999
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:27,769
Stop it Clyde.

1000
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:29,869
Hey, this this Negro

1001
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:31,849
only by Clyde get up

1002
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:33,149
out of your car.

1003
00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:34,289
Ain't no sir.

1004
00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:36,249
I don't condo or capitulate to your

1005
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:36,250
hierarchy.

1006
00:42:36,251 --> 00:42:38,069
And I don't know what

1007
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:39,569
type of black man you used to be in

1008
00:42:39,570 --> 00:42:40,749
the ground, but you're not going to

1009
00:42:40,750 --> 00:42:40,950
disrespect women.

1010
00:42:40,951 --> 00:42:42,729
That's right, that's what you're

1011
00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:43,649
going to do is get out. Because I'm
like

1012
00:42:43,650 --> 00:42:44,769
that. No you're not.

1013
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:46,189
I'm LIKE that. Because if you were,

1014
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:47,769
you'd have did. I'm Like that.

1015
00:42:47,770 --> 00:42:49,029
Do it. Do something.

1016
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:51,029
Show me how like that you are

1017
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:52,929
then. Show me if you like that,

1018
00:42:52,930 --> 00:42:53,729
young man.

1019
00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:54,749
I ain't here for that.

1020
00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:55,669
I ain't here for.

1021
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:57,369
I'm not here for a good time.

1022
00:42:57,370 --> 00:42:58,370
Right! Right!

1023
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,919
So y'all need to calm

1024
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,920
down!

1025
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,080
We don't do that here.

1026
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:13,699
We don't

1027
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:15,739
Hey, thanks for welcoming me in to

1028
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:16,599
Madison, Wisconsin.

1029
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,659
I feel great.

1030
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:20,639
I feel good.

1031
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,639
I'm the happiest I've been in years

1032
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,059
right here in Madison, WI.

1033
00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:28,999
I don't know.

1034
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,119
No, no, no.

1035
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,239
No No.

1036
00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:35,819
No. They don't.

1037
00:43:35,820 --> 00:43:37,599
They honestly they don't get time to

1038
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,559
talk today. Will there be charges

1039
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,299
brought up against this police

1040
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:43,179
officer? Like I was trying to say,

1041
00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:44,419
we witnessed the murder.

1042
00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:46,499
Now, if it in my black

1043
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,319
ass murdered somebody in the street

1044
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,439
y'all to have me in jail right now

1045
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,479
there should be accountability

1046
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,379
officer paterson that's all i'm

1047
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:56,559
saying so then we got to disrupt we

1048
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,759
got to disrupt because y' all gonna

1049
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,639
capitulate we know the script

1050
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,459
you you are i'm i'm sorry

1051
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:04,319
you are part of the professional

1052
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,179
managerial class and you seem

1053
00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:08,239
to be trying to tell me I should not

1054
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:09,479
do what I'm doing right here.

1055
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,699
There will be no... No, because I'm

1056
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:12,639
having to put my body on the line

1057
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,820
if these people come closer to me.

1058
00:44:13,821 --> 00:44:14,599
Oh, no.

1059
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,539
No, you won't.

1060
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:18,459
If you love me,

1061
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:21,319
if you love as a black woman,

1062
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,819
I'll walk out of this okay.

1063
00:44:22,820 --> 00:44:24,639
I feel like you're trying to make me

1064
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,499
feel guilty for standing up

1065
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:27,419
for injustice.

1066
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:28,439
I'm sorry.

1067
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,559
I think it's not cool,

1068
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,560
and I'm going to continue.

1069
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:36,129
I just told

1070
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:37,709
you the logics of it.

1071
00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:39,069
A human being killed another human

1072
00:44:39,070 --> 00:44:40,129
being.

1073
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:41,889
We need those young people in jail.

1074
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:44,469
We need these pigs in jail tonight.

1075
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:46,569
We need the pigs in j-

1076
00:44:46,570 --> 00:44:48,149
are those pigs going to jail

1077
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:50,209
tonight? Where they at?

1078
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:51,769
No, I am listening, and that's what

1079
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:53,189
you're not understanding.

1080
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:54,049
Look, man.

1081
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:55,989
Look, brother, please leave me

1082
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:56,990
alone.

1083
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:58,989
We ain't gonna talk later.

1084
00:44:58,990 --> 00:45:00,729
I'm never gonna talk to you.

1085
00:45:00,730 --> 00:45:02,629
I don't coddle or negotiate

1086
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:04,769
with anybody that stands

1087
00:45:04,770 --> 00:45:06,509
along the side of fascism.

1088
00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:08,509
But let them in, it's

1089
00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:09,510
talking!

1090
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,239
We are men, men are supposed to be

1091
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,979
able to have conversations.

1092
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:17,499
Human beings are human

1093
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:19,699
beings. I'm not monopolizing

1094
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:21,219
this. Ain't no monopolizing.

1095
00:45:21,220 --> 00:45:22,619
This is a movement.

1096
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:23,999
It's not my movement.

1097
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,439
They can strike me down today and

1098
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,799
these people right here won't

1099
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,360
continue. This ain't my movie.

1100
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:37,209
I know. And every black person that

1101
00:45:37,210 --> 00:45:38,629
I see, who matters?

1102
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:41,049
It's enough that the fuck he knocks.

1103
00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:42,309
He cares.

1104
00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:43,109
Dermot, he cares.

1105
00:45:43,110 --> 00:45:44,269
He's a black man.

1106
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:45,729
What the fuck you talking about?

1107
00:45:45,730 --> 00:45:45,959
And you a-

1108
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,239
You're talking like a fucking coon!

1109
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:50,579
Right? He's not the only black one

1110
00:45:50,580 --> 00:45:50,760
in this story.

1111
00:45:50,761 --> 00:45:52,029
But guess what, he a black man and

1112
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:52,969
they gon' kill this white man.

1113
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:55,069
Ain't nobody kissing your ass up

1114
00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:56,089
in here. Yes you are.

1115
00:45:56,090 --> 00:45:57,789
Ain't no body kissing your ass up

1116
00:45:57,790 --> 00:45:59,269
here. Yes, of course you are!

1117
00:45:59,270 --> 00:46:00,350
We ain't girl queens.

1118
00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:04,079
And brother you swell up with

1119
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,399
this young lady. I beat your ass you

1120
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,059
swell up with his young lady here.

1121
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:09,959
I'll beat your ass in front of

1122
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,179
the police you swell

1123
00:46:19,930 --> 00:46:21,929
answer. No, I didn't.

1124
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:24,969
Well, supposed to win.

1125
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:26,929
I want I want some answers.

1126
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:27,769
I want some.

1127
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:30,029
The people want to answer.

1128
00:46:30,030 --> 00:46:31,729
You say they can't.

1129
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:33,729
Okay, so we

1130
00:46:33,730 --> 00:46:35,289
won't answer to this question right

1131
00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:35,290
here.

1132
00:46:35,291 --> 00:46:36,999
Right here.

1133
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,099
We're here in Madison, Wisconsin.

1134
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,019
With all these good people in

1135
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:42,539
front of these police, these

1136
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:44,139
imperialist ph's here.

1137
00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:46,079
Hey, I'm not calling you a ph, but

1138
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,679
you got on that badge, so I gotta

1139
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,619
put you there.

1140
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:50,839
And my question is, at what,

1141
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,259
what charges are gonna be brought to

1142
00:46:53,260 --> 00:46:54,340
the racist police?

1143
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,499
To the racist police that killed

1144
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:59,439
that young man, Mr.

1145
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,399
Ruiz. So I'm going to get to

1146
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,199
the side.

1147
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,199
I'm gonna get to decide so

1148
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,219
Officer Patterson can talk right now

1149
00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:07,220
because there's a.

1150
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:14,320
Can media leave the room, please?

1151
00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:21,369
There are rules to communication

1152
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:23,169
and we need to follow them.

1153
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:25,429
We are smarter than that.

1154
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:26,949
We are smart than that!

1155
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:28,349
We don't need to have a

1156
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:29,350
conversation.

1157
00:47:52,090 --> 00:47:53,989
I don't ever want you

1158
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:55,789
to be, and I'm talking to my bro

1159
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:57,709
right here, if I

1160
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:59,689
find you in my space or

1161
00:47:59,690 --> 00:48:01,589
aggressing towards me in any future

1162
00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:03,269
after I walk out this door, it's

1163
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:05,069
about the story.

1164
00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:06,969
Hey, we're gonna let this young

1165
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:09,729
man go, we would

1166
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:11,209
like to hear what are the

1167
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:13,189
repercussions from the police,

1168
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:15,129
what's gonna happen to them racist

1169
00:48:15,130 --> 00:48:16,369
police officers. Y'all know what to

1170
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:18,369
do. I'll give you that respect.

1171
00:48:18,370 --> 00:48:19,669
Y'all got them. We got to have a

1172
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:20,449
conversation.

1173
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:21,869
Hey, motherfuckin' ass.

1174
00:48:21,870 --> 00:48:22,870
We gotta have a...

1175
00:48:27,029 --> 00:48:28,909
This police chief don't just know me

1176
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:29,910
from walking around.

1177
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,629
Please

1178
00:48:33,630 --> 00:48:35,829
We can easily have a conversation.

1179
00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:38,249
So Mr. Chief Patterson,

1180
00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:39,929
please continue on with what you've

1181
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:41,829
got to say, and please respond to

1182
00:48:41,830 --> 00:48:43,329
any questions that is asked when you

1183
00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:44,189
open the floor.

1184
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:45,889
I will highly appreciate that, and

1185
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:47,169
I'm pretty sure everybody else in

1186
00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:48,469
this room would, too.

1187
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:50,029
We're going to stay here either with

1188
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:51,869
them, either with him, we're

1189
00:48:51,870 --> 00:48:53,189
going let them talk. Let them talk,

1190
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:54,209
let me talk. All right?

1191
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:55,210
Let me talk, thank you.

1192
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:01,519
Shit

1193
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,379
Okay, I

1194
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:06,299
Appreciate you being here.

1195
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:08,239
I know this stuff and

1196
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,139
I before you before

1197
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:11,140
you got here

1198
00:49:16,210 --> 00:49:16,729
OK.

1199
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:17,749
Get to it.

1200
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:19,449
All right.

1201
00:49:19,450 --> 00:49:21,549
The mic. This is not amplified.

1202
00:49:21,550 --> 00:49:21,550
Yeah.

1203
00:49:21,551 --> 00:49:22,970
Yeah, I gotta be able to talk.

1204
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,699
I mean clearly, and I talked about

1205
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:27,940
it before you came in here,

1206
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,309
but clearly trust is not

1207
00:49:31,310 --> 00:49:33,069
Repeat that so that the people that

1208
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:34,549
are not here that heard what you say

1209
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:36,189
can at least feel what you got.

1210
00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:37,190
Hear what you said.

1211
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,279
You want me to go back to process

1212
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,280
clay? All right.

1213
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:43,899
All right. What I said before you

1214
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:46,099
got here is that this this

1215
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,139
is a anytime in the state, there's

1216
00:49:48,140 --> 00:49:50,199
a process that involves one

1217
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,659
that one of death occurs involving

1218
00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:53,660
a police officer.

1219
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,839
This is an open and

1220
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,099
active homicide investigation.

1221
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:00,959
Okay, so

1222
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,039
in accordance, why was the

1223
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,319
part of the jail?

1224
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,469
I won't say.

1225
00:50:05,470 --> 00:50:08,149
Or let him finish, let him finish.

1226
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:09,529
My friend, I will take every

1227
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:11,229
question you have of me, okay?

1228
00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:13,269
I just wanna get through this,

1229
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:14,270
cause I think you.

1230
00:50:20,490 --> 00:50:21,689
I'm saying you, that's what you

1231
00:50:21,690 --> 00:50:22,690
said, bro.

1232
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,079
All right, all right, Clyde,

1233
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,519
Clyte, Clyt, please.

1234
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,319
Clyde?

1235
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,459
Clyde. Clyde I'm trying here man.

1236
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:32,460
Please.

1237
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:37,739
Flight, flight,

1238
00:50:37,740 --> 00:50:38,740
please.

1239
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:41,509
I'm trying to let y'all go down.

1240
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:42,030
I'm not in.

1241
00:50:42,031 --> 00:50:43,189
I'm not amplified over here, I'm

1242
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:44,959
trying you guys, please.

1243
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,499
Y'all gonna, y'all making it a

1244
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:47,779
discussion. Please, please.

1245
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:49,579
All you do is sit back and let the

1246
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:50,839
revolution take place in front of

1247
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,679
your eyes. The revolution will not

1248
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,179
be televised, brother.

1249
00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:55,719
It will be live.

1250
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:56,279
Look at me.

1251
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,239
Y'all crazy.

1252
00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:59,240
Y'alls crazy.

1253
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,979
All right, here's what I'd like to

1254
00:51:11,980 --> 00:51:13,559
do I'd liked it

1255
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,299
Non-profit organization out, and

1256
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:19,300
I don't want to do that.

1257
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,280
Let's...

1258
00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:29,170
Oh, come on.

1259
00:51:30,510 --> 00:51:32,049
Go outside.

1260
00:51:32,050 --> 00:51:33,050
Go outside

1261
00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:37,969
I'm going to repeat myself, but in

1262
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:40,069
accordance with state statute

1263
00:51:40,070 --> 00:51:41,969
and longstanding practice

1264
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:43,869
here, we've called

1265
00:51:43,870 --> 00:51:45,089
for a thorough and independent

1266
00:51:45,090 --> 00:51:47,489
criminal investigation into

1267
00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:49,129
yesterday's shooting.

1268
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:51,109
So at the request of us, the

1269
00:51:51,110 --> 00:51:52,649
Department of Justice Division of

1270
00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:53,909
Criminal Investigation, they're

1271
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:56,609
often called DCI.

1272
00:51:56,610 --> 00:51:58,489
They're going to lead this homicide

1273
00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:59,709
investigation.

1274
00:51:59,710 --> 00:52:00,909
We are not leading.

1275
00:52:02,530 --> 00:52:04,249
So their statewide agency, if you're

1276
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:05,609
not familiar with them, they have

1277
00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:07,629
significant experience and expertise

1278
00:52:07,630 --> 00:52:09,549
in leading expectations or

1279
00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:11,009
investigations, excuse me, related

1280
00:52:11,010 --> 00:52:12,210
to police involved shootings.

1281
00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:15,009
They're fully in charge of this

1282
00:52:15,010 --> 00:52:15,829
investigation.

1283
00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:17,289
They're not taking guidance from us.

1284
00:52:17,290 --> 00:52:18,709
They're taking direction from us,

1285
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:20,869
they are in charge during

1286
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:22,369
these investigations, they respond

1287
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:23,969
to the scene, they process for

1288
00:52:23,970 --> 00:52:25,849
evidence, they interview witnesses,

1289
00:52:25,850 --> 00:52:27,589
they canvas for video.

1290
00:52:27,590 --> 00:52:29,729
They, they do everything needed to

1291
00:52:29,730 --> 00:52:31,519
have a thorough investigation.

1292
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,099
Including creating their own reports

1293
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:34,100
and documents.

1294
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,759
So they will release the name of the

1295
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,819
officer who fired the shots from

1296
00:52:38,820 --> 00:52:40,759
his firearm at some point in

1297
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,619
this investigation and I hope it

1298
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:43,620
is very soon.

1299
00:52:45,390 --> 00:52:47,369
So once all available facts and

1300
00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:48,949
information are gathered, they then

1301
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:50,829
take their investigation to

1302
00:52:50,830 --> 00:52:53,919
the district attorneys for review

1303
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,429
as a criminal investigation, as a

1304
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:56,669
potential criminal investigation

1305
00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:58,189
there.

1306
00:52:58,190 --> 00:53:00,249
This process exists precisely

1307
00:53:00,250 --> 00:53:01,989
so that no department in this state

1308
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:03,849
investigates itself or

1309
00:53:03,850 --> 00:53:04,850
its own actions.

1310
00:53:05,810 --> 00:53:08,309
I'm not gonna stand here and offer

1311
00:53:08,310 --> 00:53:10,169
a verdict or opinion because if I do

1312
00:53:10,170 --> 00:53:12,409
that, as your chief of police,

1313
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:13,609
that's gonna jeopardize the

1314
00:53:13,610 --> 00:53:14,750
independence of the investigation.

1315
00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:17,299
That we all want.

1316
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:18,819
So where is this office, where is

1317
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:20,749
the paperwork being pushed to now?

1318
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:21,749
The Department of Criminal

1319
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:23,169
Investigation is leading it right

1320
00:53:23,170 --> 00:53:24,569
now. They're actively investigating

1321
00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:25,570
this.

1322
00:53:27,350 --> 00:53:29,229
They're a state agency, I am

1323
00:53:29,230 --> 00:53:30,589
telling you, with a street-faced

1324
00:53:30,590 --> 00:53:31,789
Department of Criminal

1325
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:32,790
Investigations.

1326
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:36,809
We are going to cooperate fully

1327
00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:38,029
with DCI.

1328
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:39,809
We will not hide from any aspect of

1329
00:53:39,810 --> 00:53:40,809
this investigation.

1330
00:53:40,810 --> 00:53:41,810
I assure all of you that.

1331
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,839
I'll just finish, let me finish my

1332
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,729
thoughts.

1333
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:50,049
She's on my list, Officer Patterson.

1334
00:53:50,050 --> 00:53:51,329
OK, I know this young girl I could

1335
00:53:51,330 --> 00:53:53,909
give her job needs to be gone.

1336
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:55,789
They do nothing about police killing

1337
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:56,330
people. Let me.

1338
00:53:56,331 --> 00:53:58,090
Let me finish, let me finish.

1339
00:53:59,390 --> 00:54:00,989
So I had, like I said, I've been

1340
00:54:00,990 --> 00:54:02,989
thinking a lot today about a chief

1341
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:04,929
that was our chief for 21 years.

1342
00:54:04,930 --> 00:54:05,949
His name was David Cooper.

1343
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:09,629
He used community policing

1344
00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:11,909
as a casual, or he

1345
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:13,289
used community police before as a

1346
00:54:13,290 --> 00:54:14,789
casual phrase that I think a lot of

1347
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:15,829
people use.

1348
00:54:15,830 --> 00:54:17,069
And he stressed that we can't do

1349
00:54:17,070 --> 00:54:18,149
this job without all of you.

1350
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:19,529
We need our community, everyone in

1351
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:20,689
our community to do our job

1352
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:21,690
effectively.

1353
00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:24,529
And he also said that

1354
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:25,810
force used by us

1355
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,179
It's a sacred and public trust.

1356
00:54:31,419 --> 00:54:33,419
And the more force that we use,

1357
00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:34,459
the less trust that we're gonna have

1358
00:54:34,460 --> 00:54:35,519
in our community, I think that

1359
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,699
means. The more people walk with

1360
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:37,700
you.

1361
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,060
Please, please let me finish.

1362
00:54:40,061 --> 00:54:41,269
Finish. You know who I am.

1363
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:43,169
I am the people, all power to all

1364
00:54:43,170 --> 00:54:45,169
people. There is no individual.

1365
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:46,609
So this is about the intercom.

1366
00:54:46,610 --> 00:54:47,610
I'm gonna tell you

1367
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:51,359
So we can all, we can, let me

1368
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,219
finish.

1369
00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:53,899
He's not saying anything that we

1370
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:54,919
haven't heard.

1371
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:55,859
Let him get there.

1372
00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:57,039
You let him get, and he can get

1373
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,279
there! I'm going to be yesterday.

1374
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,159
Just because you're all the people,

1375
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,299
I'm listening.

1376
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:01,539
Thank you. I'm a one, and I'm an

1377
00:55:01,540 --> 00:55:01,639
American.

1378
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,479
I appreciate it.

1379
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,039
I think everyone in this room can

1380
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,539
feel the thinness of trust in this

1381
00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:08,059
city right now, right?

1382
00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:10,139
I can feel it.

1383
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:12,019
It did not start yesterday and

1384
00:55:12,020 --> 00:55:13,439
it's not abstract.

1385
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,959
It's a direct result I think of what

1386
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,499
our community has gone through and

1387
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:17,739
we have watched repeat.

1388
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:20,559
Same stretch of street,

1389
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:21,579
more than once.

1390
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:22,739
I'm not going to stand at this

1391
00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:23,999
podium and tell you that this press

1392
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:24,919
conference is going to solve

1393
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:25,920
anything.

1394
00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:27,620
I know that it won't.

1395
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:30,759
I want to tell you what I'm

1396
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,019
committed to doing right now and the

1397
00:55:32,020 --> 00:55:33,159
first is transparency.

1398
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,659
We'll release information about this

1399
00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:36,479
incident as quickly and

1400
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,299
it's completely as possible as

1401
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:40,139
the integrity of DCI's investigation

1402
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:42,439
allows in the state law requires.

1403
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,199
This includes sharing information

1404
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,859
with the Office of Independent

1405
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:46,860
Police Monitor

1406
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,879
as we can within local ordinance

1407
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,819
and within the state law.

1408
00:55:51,820 --> 00:55:53,099
We're not going to use an active

1409
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:55,079
investigation as a reason to

1410
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:55,979
not share.

1411
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:57,079
We are going to push for

1412
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,979
transparency I'm going to hold the

1413
00:55:58,980 --> 00:56:00,459
department to that and hold myself

1414
00:56:00,460 --> 00:56:01,839
to that. And the second is action.

1415
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:02,999
We're not going to wait for a final

1416
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,399
report from DCI, uh,

1417
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,779
to begin the work of examining our

1418
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:08,299
policies, our training and response.

1419
00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:10,279
We're going to do that now.

1420
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,839
Uh, the review has to start now,

1421
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,219
uh and it can't wait.

1422
00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:16,579
Third is accountability.

1423
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:18,299
If this investigation finds that

1424
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:20,059
policy training judgment failed

1425
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:21,599
yesterday, I will say it publicly

1426
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,999
and we'll fix it.

1427
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,019
We must allow the independent

1428
00:56:27,020 --> 00:56:29,339
investigation to occur.

1429
00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:30,419
So whenever accountability is

1430
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:32,279
needed, it must not only apply to

1431
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,619
the individual officer, it has to

1432
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:34,850
apply to police department as well.

1433
00:56:37,610 --> 00:56:39,049
If to do otherwise would be a

1434
00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:40,229
deflection, and I'm not gonna do

1435
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:41,409
that to this community that's

1436
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:42,810
embraced me for a long time.

1437
00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:45,629
Most of what the public saw

1438
00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:47,749
yesterday came from that

1439
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:49,629
bystander's phone, not from

1440
00:56:49,630 --> 00:56:50,630
this department.

1441
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:53,969
I was asked by

1442
00:56:53,970 --> 00:56:56,709
some of you about

1443
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:57,529
body-worn cameras.

1444
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:58,609
As you know, we don't have a broad

1445
00:56:58,610 --> 00:56:59,969
deployment of body-worm cameras in

1446
00:56:59,970 --> 00:57:01,529
Madison, and I understand that this

1447
00:57:01,530 --> 00:57:03,409
fact does create

1448
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:05,109
another challenge to repairing trust

1449
00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:05,759
in our community.

1450
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:06,760
You

1451
00:57:07,319 --> 00:57:09,619
Uh, we

1452
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:10,699
don't have body wearing cameras.

1453
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,269
I think I think.

1454
00:57:16,270 --> 00:57:18,269
This family deserves real answers,

1455
00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:20,669
not just a press conference,

1456
00:57:20,670 --> 00:57:22,709
they deserve a department and

1457
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:23,869
the community deserves a police

1458
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:25,309
department worthy of the trust

1459
00:57:25,310 --> 00:57:27,249
needed to serve the community.

1460
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:29,469
I intend to spend whatever I have,

1461
00:57:29,470 --> 00:57:31,369
whatever time I have in this job,

1462
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:32,749
continuing that work, not because

1463
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:34,569
it's easy, but again, I

1464
00:57:34,570 --> 00:57:35,749
can't do this job and our police

1465
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:37,049
department can't Do their job with

1466
00:57:37,050 --> 00:57:38,050
all of you.

1467
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:41,629
I intended to repeat some of what I

1468
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:42,829
said yesterday because we do have

1469
00:57:42,830 --> 00:57:43,830
new faces in this room.

1470
00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:46,869
So I'd like to take a minute to do

1471
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:47,870
that.

1472
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:51,049
An officer with the police

1473
00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:52,029
department, Madison Police

1474
00:57:52,030 --> 00:57:53,369
Department yesterday was involved in

1475
00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:55,069
a shooting on the city's near east

1476
00:57:55,070 --> 00:57:57,029
side in the Marquette

1477
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:58,030
neighborhood.

1478
00:57:59,150 --> 00:58:01,009
Dispatched to a call just

1479
00:58:01,010 --> 00:58:01,869
before 1 p.m.

1480
00:58:01,870 --> 00:58:03,149
For a person who was allegedly

1481
00:58:03,150 --> 00:58:05,489
involved checking parked vehicles.

1482
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:08,689
DCI is also investigating other

1483
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:10,549
calls from community members which

1484
00:58:10,550 --> 00:58:12,829
may have also involved the

1485
00:58:12,830 --> 00:58:14,649
same person, including

1486
00:58:14,650 --> 00:58:16,329
one where there was a report of a

1487
00:58:16,330 --> 00:58:18,129
male attempting to enter an occupied

1488
00:58:18,130 --> 00:58:19,130
home.

1489
00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:21,469
This likely caused more officers to

1490
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:22,470
respond to the area.

1491
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:26,569
Officers located the man described.

1492
00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:28,329
They attempted to contact him.

1493
00:58:28,330 --> 00:58:29,489
He fled on a bike.

1494
00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:31,389
He traveled through backyards They

1495
00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:32,509
connected with him again at the

1496
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:33,929
intersection of Baldwin Street and

1497
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:36,309
Williamson Street around 1 30 p.m.

1498
00:58:36,310 --> 00:58:38,129
I Still don't know if he fell off

1499
00:58:38,130 --> 00:58:39,589
the bike or if he was taken off the

1500
00:58:39,590 --> 00:58:42,049
bikes. That's still being determined

1501
00:58:42,050 --> 00:58:44,049
by DCI Struggle

1502
00:58:44,050 --> 00:58:45,929
obviously ensued with

1503
00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:47,229
officers in the middle of that

1504
00:58:47,230 --> 00:58:49,529
intersection at some point

1505
00:58:49,530 --> 00:58:52,319
a knife was pulled out and produced

1506
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,739
It was a fixed blade knife.

1507
00:58:53,740 --> 00:58:55,479
That was the picture that was shared

1508
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,379
yesterday.

1509
00:58:57,380 --> 00:59:00,239
This occurred while the physical

1510
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,179
tussle was

1511
00:59:02,180 --> 00:59:03,839
occurring as they were attempting to

1512
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,499
arrest him.

1513
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:06,919
A taser was deployed.

1514
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,479
It was not successful and I don't

1515
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,480
know why.

1516
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,319
DCI is looking into that.

1517
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,219
I don t know why it was

1518
00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:13,220
unsuccessful.

1519
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:16,559
The officer who sustained injuries

1520
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,699
from the knife was

1521
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:19,959
the same officer that fired the

1522
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:20,960
shots.

1523
00:59:21,669 --> 00:59:23,549
I don't even have

1524
00:59:23,550 --> 00:59:25,929
those verifications right now.

1525
00:59:25,930 --> 00:59:28,169
So DCI has that information.

1526
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:32,059
I don't have it.

1527
00:59:32,060 --> 00:59:33,060
You don't see it.

1528
00:59:35,209 --> 00:59:37,029
Uh, I understand there are injuries

1529
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:38,389
from the knife is what I'm told.

1530
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:39,189
I haven't seen them.

1531
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:40,429
I haven't even seen him.

1532
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:42,649
I don't know.

1533
00:59:42,650 --> 00:59:44,689
So a second, a second officer

1534
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:46,369
was injured, but not, we don't think

1535
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:47,849
by the knife, I don't know how that

1536
00:59:47,850 --> 00:59:49,409
person, uh, how that officer was

1537
00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:50,609
injured, um, I don't know.

1538
00:59:53,780 --> 00:59:56,259
Officers tried life-saving measures.

1539
00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:58,009
He was taken to an area hospital And

1540
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:59,649
we all know that he tragically

1541
00:59:59,650 --> 01:00:01,249
passed away.

1542
01:00:01,250 --> 01:00:02,910
And I know this is a...

1543
01:00:05,130 --> 01:00:06,949
This is hard in this moment, but I

1544
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:09,249
honestly and sincerely express

1545
01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:10,790
my sympathy to his family, his

1546
01:00:10,791 --> 01:00:11,791
entire family.

1547
01:00:12,510 --> 01:00:14,409
Search him, and then get a

1548
01:00:14,410 --> 01:00:15,429
piece of his cross.

1549
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:16,909
Don't say that they didn't like the

1550
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:17,569
termination. Yeah.

1551
01:00:17,570 --> 01:00:19,549
So the

1552
01:00:19,550 --> 01:00:21,389
officer who

1553
01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:23,249
fired his weapon and all

1554
01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:25,369
of the others are on administrative

1555
01:00:25,370 --> 01:00:26,949
leave. While this plays out with

1556
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:29,389
DCI, it's

1557
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:30,709
standard practice. It's standard

1558
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:32,189
practice. They're off the street.

1559
01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:32,989
They are on admin leave.

1560
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:35,169
And while this investigation takes

1561
01:00:35,170 --> 01:00:37,129
place that does several things,

1562
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:39,049
including and most importantly

1563
01:00:39,050 --> 01:00:40,809
allows for flexibility to get

1564
01:00:40,810 --> 01:00:42,989
interviews with DC I done as

1565
01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:43,990
quickly as possible.

1566
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:50,829
So this situation was clearly

1567
01:00:50,830 --> 01:00:52,509
dangerous, and I'm gonna finish and

1568
01:00:52,510 --> 01:00:54,069
I'll try to take as many questions

1569
01:00:54,070 --> 01:00:55,789
as possible, okay, I promise.

1570
01:00:57,570 --> 01:00:59,449
It involved a knife, it

1571
01:00:59,450 --> 01:01:00,849
was clearly danger.

1572
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:06,169
I am incredibly saddened

1573
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:07,489
by this loss of life.

1574
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:08,529
Uh...

1575
01:01:14,070 --> 01:01:15,149
I'm sorry.

1576
01:01:16,550 --> 01:01:18,509
The Wisconsin, again, DCI is

1577
01:01:18,510 --> 01:01:20,649
now independently investigating

1578
01:01:20,650 --> 01:01:22,629
this incident because of our

1579
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:23,849
involvement.

1580
01:01:23,850 --> 01:01:25,489
We're aware of several videos

1581
01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:28,149
circulating around the incident.

1582
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:30,949
I encourage you to the extent you

1583
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:33,229
can to know

1584
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:34,629
that not all perspectives are had

1585
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:36,549
right now. We have not seen them

1586
01:01:36,550 --> 01:01:38,009
all. I haven't seen them.

1587
01:01:38,010 --> 01:01:40,169
So, let's

1588
01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:41,089
go ahead and get started. There is a
narrative.

1589
01:01:41,090 --> 01:01:42,069
I want to say one thing though.

1590
01:01:42,070 --> 01:01:43,089
There's a narrative that's been

1591
01:01:43,090 --> 01:01:44,429
circulating around that I have to

1592
01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:45,449
address.

1593
01:01:45,450 --> 01:01:47,409
It was last night through the night

1594
01:01:47,410 --> 01:01:49,089
suggesting that he was handcuffed

1595
01:01:49,090 --> 01:01:50,629
before he was shot.

1596
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:52,389
I have seen video that I don't

1597
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:53,729
believe that was the case and I

1598
01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:55,089
don't know if others have see it

1599
01:01:55,090 --> 01:01:56,090
other.

1600
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:58,689
I just I just felt I had to say

1601
01:01:58,690 --> 01:01:59,929
that because it's been it's been

1602
01:01:59,930 --> 01:02:01,309
going around by others.

1603
01:02:01,310 --> 01:02:02,729
I will I commit to you.

1604
01:02:02,730 --> 01:02:04,169
I will be in frequent contact.

1605
01:02:04,170 --> 01:02:05,949
That they shot him, it is proceed to

1606
01:02:05,950 --> 01:02:07,329
do CPR like he's going to do

1607
01:02:07,330 --> 01:02:08,229
something.

1608
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:09,229
The one on the ground around his

1609
01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:09,549
head.

1610
01:02:09,550 --> 01:02:11,129
I'm going to be in frequent contact

1611
01:02:11,130 --> 01:02:13,689
with DCI daily.

1612
01:02:13,690 --> 01:02:15,729
I commit to that.

1613
01:02:15,730 --> 01:02:17,709
I'm gonna push as

1614
01:02:17,710 --> 01:02:18,769
hard as I can for as much

1615
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:20,669
information for them

1616
01:02:20,670 --> 01:02:22,669
to share with all of us

1617
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:24,509
as quickly as possible, as soon

1618
01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:26,809
as possible while maintaining

1619
01:02:26,810 --> 01:02:27,709
the independence of the

1620
01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:29,189
investigation.

1621
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:30,349
I want transparency.

1622
01:02:30,350 --> 01:02:31,430
I want accountability.

1623
01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:36,069
Want open communication,

1624
01:02:36,070 --> 01:02:37,409
but but I also want an independent

1625
01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:38,209
investigation.

1626
01:02:38,210 --> 01:02:40,109
And I think we all have to remember

1627
01:02:40,110 --> 01:02:41,669
we can't jeopardize that.

1628
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:46,129
I understand that these things all

1629
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:47,569
have to happen if we're ever even

1630
01:02:47,570 --> 01:02:49,589
going to consider being able

1631
01:02:49,590 --> 01:02:51,729
to regain your trust.

1632
01:02:51,730 --> 01:02:53,549
Those were the comments I wanted to

1633
01:02:53,550 --> 01:02:55,069
say I want to give Pastor Allen from

1634
01:02:55,070 --> 01:02:57,029
Mount Zion Baptist an opportunity to

1635
01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:58,489
speak and then I will stay and I'll

1636
01:02:58,490 --> 01:03:00,359
answer as many questions as I can.

1637
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,360
Thank you

1638
01:03:02,860 --> 01:03:05,199
I want to say, uh,

1639
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,839
the emotions that the young man just

1640
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,219
presented here, that's how all of us

1641
01:03:08,220 --> 01:03:09,719
are really feeling.

1642
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,719
Uh, we have been challenged

1643
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,599
by this, um, for

1644
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,459
many, many years.

1645
01:03:15,460 --> 01:03:17,559
Um, and it seems as if when

1646
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,419
we see that happen to

1647
01:03:19,420 --> 01:03:21,119
someone, a black or brown body is

1648
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,099
having to one of our brothers as

1649
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:25,219
Sabrina was saying, our brothers or

1650
01:03:25,220 --> 01:03:26,539
someone that we're related to.

1651
01:03:26,540 --> 01:03:28,579
But that pain is felt by all

1652
01:03:28,580 --> 01:03:31,359
of US because it has become so

1653
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:32,569
consistent.

1654
01:03:32,570 --> 01:03:34,409
Um, the challenge that we often

1655
01:03:34,410 --> 01:03:36,249
face with that after all

1656
01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:37,629
of the marching, after all the

1657
01:03:37,630 --> 01:03:40,249
yelling that we do after all off

1658
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:42,209
the protesting, things just go

1659
01:03:42,210 --> 01:03:43,529
back to the same way.

1660
01:03:43,530 --> 01:03:45,369
And so I think our intentionality

1661
01:03:45,370 --> 01:03:47,289
is to ensure that

1662
01:03:47,290 --> 01:03:48,609
we continue.

1663
01:03:48,610 --> 01:03:50,909
Sabrina also stated the pressure of

1664
01:03:50,910 --> 01:03:52,969
asking the right questions,

1665
01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:54,769
talking to the right people and

1666
01:03:54,770 --> 01:03:57,469
making sure things are happening to

1667
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:59,749
the benefit of our community.

1668
01:03:59,750 --> 01:04:00,750
Um, so

1669
01:04:01,630 --> 01:04:03,549
We are here today and first

1670
01:04:03,550 --> 01:04:05,509
let us honor or recognize

1671
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:07,689
that a life was lost.

1672
01:04:07,690 --> 01:04:09,849
No matter how much we are angry,

1673
01:04:09,850 --> 01:04:11,789
how much were upset, no matter

1674
01:04:11,790 --> 01:04:13,669
what the investigation or the rules

1675
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:15,869
or the laws are, somebody lost

1676
01:04:15,870 --> 01:04:18,149
a father, a brother,

1677
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:20,189
a son, uncle,

1678
01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:22,129
a life, a grandson.

1679
01:04:22,130 --> 01:04:23,929
A life was loss.

1680
01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:25,809
And for me as a pastor,

1681
01:04:25,810 --> 01:04:27,909
I deal with death and dying and

1682
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:29,909
people that endure

1683
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:31,769
so a loved one passing away.

1684
01:04:31,770 --> 01:04:33,269
Sometimes it's in the hospital.

1685
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:35,049
Sometimes it is sudden because of a

1686
01:04:35,050 --> 01:04:35,929
heart attack.

1687
01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:37,669
But the challenge now, this family

1688
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:39,629
has to watch their

1689
01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:41,389
loved one die on camera.

1690
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:43,229
And I'm challenged by that.

1691
01:04:43,230 --> 01:04:44,589
Because even my children,

1692
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:47,129
they see this.

1693
01:04:47,130 --> 01:04:48,789
Our kids are seeing this trauma

1694
01:04:48,790 --> 01:04:50,629
lived out before their

1695
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:51,749
very eyes.

1696
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:53,490
The other day, I served in the

1697
01:04:53,491 --> 01:04:54,969
United States Army for 10 and a half

1698
01:04:54,970 --> 01:04:55,929
years.

1699
01:04:55,930 --> 01:04:57,369
I didn't see a dead body until I was

1700
01:04:57,370 --> 01:04:59,049
in Iraq or Afghanistan.

1701
01:04:59,050 --> 01:05:00,589
And now my kids are constantly

1702
01:05:00,590 --> 01:05:01,589
seeing this.

1703
01:05:01,590 --> 01:05:04,089
I'm also challenged by this because

1704
01:05:04,090 --> 01:05:07,289
I've seen soldiers,

1705
01:05:07,290 --> 01:05:09,749
18, 19-year-olds deescalate

1706
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:11,669
situations without no one

1707
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:12,489
dying.

1708
01:05:12,490 --> 01:05:14,329
So I'm really challenged

1709
01:05:14,330 --> 01:05:16,429
by that and

1710
01:05:16,430 --> 01:05:18,809
wondering what are our practices?

1711
01:05:18,810 --> 01:05:20,769
What are we doing to make sure

1712
01:05:20,770 --> 01:05:23,249
we're deesclating situations,

1713
01:05:23,250 --> 01:05:24,889
and I understand things happen fast.

1714
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:26,969
But what are we really, what are

1715
01:05:26,970 --> 01:05:29,369
our intentions for

1716
01:05:29,370 --> 01:05:30,430
to ensure that

1717
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,479
everyone makes it home safe.

1718
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,019
It's a dangerous job, it's

1719
01:05:35,020 --> 01:05:35,939
challenging.

1720
01:05:35,940 --> 01:05:36,839
Well, how are we making sure

1721
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,219
everyone makes their home home safe?

1722
01:05:39,220 --> 01:05:41,199
So we stand with the family,

1723
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,639
we stand with the community, and

1724
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,499
we want to be intentional

1725
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:48,779
about mental health services.

1726
01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:51,299
And on every

1727
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:52,839
Thursday at Mount Zion Baptist

1728
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,639
Church, we have free drop-in mental

1729
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,679
health services from 10

1730
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:57,539
to 2 PM.

1731
01:05:57,540 --> 01:05:59,499
So if you know anyone who stands in

1732
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:00,639
the need of that, Police come out

1733
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:01,579
for that.

1734
01:06:01,580 --> 01:06:03,659
Uh, we are calling as

1735
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:05,659
chief and the mayor and

1736
01:06:05,660 --> 01:06:07,139
the president Sabrina Madison stated

1737
01:06:07,140 --> 01:06:08,939
we're calling for truth.

1738
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:10,879
We're calling it for transparency

1739
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,419
and accountability because

1740
01:06:13,420 --> 01:06:15,279
we want to make sure what's going

1741
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,339
on is actually happen

1742
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:19,259
and be taken care of

1743
01:06:19,260 --> 01:06:21,539
and not just again, just giving

1744
01:06:21,540 --> 01:06:23,599
working with words.

1745
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,159
But we want To see actions happen.

1746
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:26,280
We don't just want words.

1747
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:31,149
We moment.

1748
01:06:31,150 --> 01:06:33,229
Calls for courage, but it also calls

1749
01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:35,729
for compassion and

1750
01:06:35,730 --> 01:06:36,709
our role.

1751
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:38,369
My role as a pastor in the church

1752
01:06:38,370 --> 01:06:39,769
and I represent the African American

1753
01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:41,689
Council of Churches that we'll be

1754
01:06:41,690 --> 01:06:43,709
here to have that comfort

1755
01:06:43,710 --> 01:06:45,669
for the hurting. But we also will

1756
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:47,509
seek without fear or

1757
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:49,329
favoritism to truth and

1758
01:06:49,330 --> 01:06:51,409
also accountability for those

1759
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:53,509
who played in part and taking

1760
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:55,109
this young man's life.

1761
01:06:55,110 --> 01:06:57,329
Dr King suggests true peace is

1762
01:06:57,330 --> 01:06:59,369
not merely the absence of tension.

1763
01:07:00,580 --> 01:07:02,499
It is also in the presence of

1764
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:04,119
justice. So it's gonna be a lot of

1765
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,979
tension. It's gonna a lot hurt

1766
01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:06,859
feelings.

1767
01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:07,719
It's going to be a a lot people

1768
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,119
being upset.

1769
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,599
But how do we come together as

1770
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,979
a community and make sure

1771
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:15,859
that accountability is being

1772
01:07:15,860 --> 01:07:18,439
held and people who

1773
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,279
are hurting are

1774
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,859
being taken serious in this moment.

1775
01:07:21,860 --> 01:07:22,860
Thank you.

1776
01:07:28,730 --> 01:07:30,149
I have two questions.

1777
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:31,769
First question, once DCI is done

1778
01:07:31,770 --> 01:07:33,689
with their investigation,

1779
01:07:33,690 --> 01:07:35,690
from my understanding, DCI does not,

1780
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:39,569
they don't present like

1781
01:07:39,570 --> 01:07:41,269
an action that comes from it.

1782
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:42,829
They do the investigation, they give

1783
01:07:42,830 --> 01:07:44,309
you all the information.

1784
01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:45,429
From my understanding the police

1785
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:47,429
department, it's a comment of you

1786
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:49,409
then to make a decision and the PFC

1787
01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:50,809
to make the decision on what the

1788
01:07:50,810 --> 01:07:52,849
disciplinary actions are.

1789
01:07:52,850 --> 01:07:54,609
Is that the understanding?

1790
01:07:54,610 --> 01:07:55,949
So typically,

1791
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:59,149
they present

1792
01:07:59,150 --> 01:08:00,649
to the DA.

1793
01:08:00,650 --> 01:08:02,809
The DA makes their decision

1794
01:08:02,810 --> 01:08:04,829
on what's going

1795
01:08:04,830 --> 01:08:06,149
to occur.

1796
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:08,269
And then we do an internal

1797
01:08:08,270 --> 01:08:10,369
investigation after that

1798
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:11,989
decision. So we don't start that

1799
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:13,409
prior to so that we're not

1800
01:08:13,410 --> 01:08:15,709
disrupting decisions as to

1801
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:17,469
swaying it one way or the other.

1802
01:08:17,470 --> 01:08:19,689
So once that process with DCI

1803
01:08:19,690 --> 01:08:21,729
and the DA is done, That is

1804
01:08:21,730 --> 01:08:24,439
largely going to

1805
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:25,778
you know, steer the initial steps of

1806
01:08:25,779 --> 01:08:26,909
the internal investigation.

1807
01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:29,289
So then the DA can

1808
01:08:29,290 --> 01:08:31,129
determine to press charges against

1809
01:08:31,130 --> 01:08:33,369
the officer based on a DCEI

1810
01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:34,689
investigation? That is solely the

1811
01:08:34,690 --> 01:08:35,669
DA's decision, yes.

1812
01:08:35,670 --> 01:08:37,409
Do you want to do your investigation?

1813
01:08:37,410 --> 01:08:38,589
Second question.

1814
01:08:38,590 --> 01:08:40,209
Is there a precedent that we have

1815
01:08:40,210 --> 01:08:42,028
seen in the city of Madison that

1816
01:08:42,029 --> 01:08:43,849
places officers on administrative

1817
01:08:43,850 --> 01:08:45,929
leave without pay?

1818
01:08:45,930 --> 01:08:47,669
Because my biggest thing is that

1819
01:08:47,670 --> 01:08:49,249
taxpayer dollars are going to

1820
01:08:49,250 --> 01:08:51,629
someone who killed.

1821
01:08:51,630 --> 01:08:53,589
A person in our shoes and

1822
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:55,589
so for me it's like yes we can place

1823
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:57,049
them on administrative leave but

1824
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:58,849
it's the president's that place an

1825
01:08:58,850 --> 01:09:00,610
administrative leave without pay.

1826
01:09:01,890 --> 01:09:04,449
There's no precedence for that.

1827
01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:06,068
As you know, we're guided by

1828
01:09:06,069 --> 01:09:07,449
collective bargaining agreements, by

1829
01:09:07,450 --> 01:09:08,929
labor law.

1830
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:10,429
The precedence is administrative

1831
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:11,349
leave with pay.

1832
01:09:11,350 --> 01:09:12,849
And I know that a lot of these

1833
01:09:12,850 --> 01:09:14,709
situations, this issue comes up.

1834
01:09:14,710 --> 01:09:15,729
It does not sit well with a lot

1835
01:09:15,730 --> 01:09:17,689
people, I understand that.

1836
01:09:17,690 --> 01:09:19,189
That is the process that I have

1837
01:09:19,190 --> 01:09:20,349
available to me.

1838
01:09:20,350 --> 01:09:22,269
And so the only way to subrogate

1839
01:09:22,270 --> 01:09:24,429
that is to go to the policing,

1840
01:09:24,430 --> 01:09:26,190
which is bargaining on behalf of

1841
01:09:26,191 --> 01:09:27,689
It would take changes in bargaining

1842
01:09:27,690 --> 01:09:29,669
and changes in, I think,

1843
01:09:29,670 --> 01:09:30,670
perhaps labor law, I guess.

1844
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,659
So is the police department working

1845
01:09:35,660 --> 01:09:36,660
with them at the moment?

1846
01:09:38,710 --> 01:09:40,609
I've had contact with the

1847
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:43,169
IM, Ermeet Glass.

1848
01:09:43,170 --> 01:09:45,089
We are committed to working with the

1849
01:09:45,090 --> 01:09:46,289
independent monitor.

1850
01:09:46,290 --> 01:09:48,309
This is a very challenging situation

1851
01:09:48,310 --> 01:09:50,509
because we have two bodies

1852
01:09:50,510 --> 01:09:52,068
that need to conduct independent

1853
01:09:52,069 --> 01:09:53,389
investigations.

1854
01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:55,269
One, which we are going to

1855
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:56,629
follow because it's guided by state

1856
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:58,009
law, which supersedes our

1857
01:09:58,010 --> 01:10:00,149
ordinances, is the review

1858
01:10:00,150 --> 01:10:01,869
per state statute of this open

1859
01:10:01,870 --> 01:10:03,409
homicide investigation.

1860
01:10:03,410 --> 01:10:04,589
I have to follow that.

1861
01:10:04,590 --> 01:10:05,449
It's state law.

1862
01:10:05,450 --> 01:10:07,269
I'm not gonna violate state law...

1863
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:09,169
Uh, and so we will try to

1864
01:10:09,170 --> 01:10:11,309
find the best scene that we can with

1865
01:10:11,310 --> 01:10:13,289
that law and work

1866
01:10:13,290 --> 01:10:15,289
as well with, with, um,

1867
01:10:15,290 --> 01:10:16,349
the office of the independent

1868
01:10:16,350 --> 01:10:17,549
monitor. Now there are things that

1869
01:10:17,550 --> 01:10:19,529
we may be able to share quickly

1870
01:10:19,530 --> 01:10:21,489
that are not going to jeopardize

1871
01:10:21,490 --> 01:10:23,969
the state investigation and

1872
01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:25,229
we'll share those as quickly as

1873
01:10:25,230 --> 01:10:26,230
possible.

1874
01:10:28,540 --> 01:10:30,009
That they have requested so far.

1875
01:10:30,010 --> 01:10:31,849
I have received the request, to my

1876
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:33,409
knowledge, we have not yet provided

1877
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:35,369
anything, because again,

1878
01:10:35,370 --> 01:10:36,629
like I said, as part of the

1879
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:37,670
independent investigation,

1880
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:40,449
large amounts, the majority are

1881
01:10:40,450 --> 01:10:41,449
going to be created by this

1882
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:42,630
independent agency, not by us.

1883
01:10:45,870 --> 01:10:47,229
But again, I think, like I said,

1884
01:10:47,230 --> 01:10:49,429
there's a very challenging

1885
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:51,949
circumstance

1886
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:53,109
in front of me where there's this

1887
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:54,489
state law that guides us on what we

1888
01:10:54,490 --> 01:10:56,249
do when this occurs.

1889
01:10:56,250 --> 01:10:57,669
And then obviously, Madison is

1890
01:10:57,670 --> 01:10:59,049
unique with an office of independent

1891
01:10:59,050 --> 01:11:00,489
police monitor guided by ordinance.

1892
01:11:01,790 --> 01:11:03,869
We were gonna work with the

1893
01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:05,169
I. M. We're gonna work.

1894
01:11:05,170 --> 01:11:07,069
With our our

1895
01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:09,189
team, we're gonna work With the

1896
01:11:09,190 --> 01:11:10,549
Department of Criminal
Investigations,

1897
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:11,889
and we'll figure out exactly what we

1898
01:11:11,890 --> 01:11:13,349
can sharing with as quickly as

1899
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:14,350
possible.

1900
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:17,309
City officials have confirmed

1901
01:11:17,310 --> 01:11:18,969
Mr. Luther's name.

1902
01:11:18,970 --> 01:11:20,469
Can you confirm his age and date of

1903
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:21,470
birth as well?

1904
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,379
So again, I've

1905
01:11:24,380 --> 01:11:27,179
seen the exact same information

1906
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:28,659
that you're talking about.

1907
01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:30,619
I again, as your police chief,

1908
01:11:30,620 --> 01:11:31,559
I'm trying to stay true to the

1909
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,099
independent investigation team.

1910
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:36,499
They will release it,

1911
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:38,339
but I believe this is absolutely

1912
01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:39,339
correct.

1913
01:11:39,340 --> 01:11:41,219
I am asking for as quick of

1914
01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:43,179
a release of as much information as

1915
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:44,679
humanly possible.

1916
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,199
Of the officers that I was asking

1917
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,319
about.

1918
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,239
No, I was talking about Mr. Ruiz

1919
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:50,739
as well, so yes.

1920
01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:52,199
I have a question for the Mayor.

1921
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,619
You can confirm his name, you can

1922
01:11:53,620 --> 01:11:54,940
confirm this agent's history.

1923
01:11:56,380 --> 01:11:58,439
Has the officer involved in this

1924
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:00,099
been involved in a deadly force

1925
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:01,100
situation?

1926
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:04,069
No, you mentioned the lack of

1927
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:05,029
body-borne cameras.

1928
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:06,769
Has this researched any

1929
01:12:06,770 --> 01:12:08,409
conversations around getting those

1930
01:12:08,410 --> 01:12:09,869
in the apartment?

1931
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:10,279
I'll take this.

1932
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:11,280
Okay.

1933
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,899
So as I think most of

1934
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:17,079
you know, the chief and

1935
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,039
the police department have requested

1936
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,899
in their budgets

1937
01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:22,839
submittal that

1938
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,819
the city budget include body

1939
01:12:24,820 --> 01:12:27,379
one cameras in the future.

1940
01:12:27,380 --> 01:12:29,239
And this has been a conversation

1941
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:30,379
that our community has been having

1942
01:12:30,380 --> 01:12:32,599
for a very long time.

1943
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,599
And my executive budget

1944
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,139
is not public yet, but I can tell

1945
01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:38,229
you that when it becomes public

1946
01:12:38,230 --> 01:12:40,109
it will include a body worn camera

1947
01:12:40,110 --> 01:12:42,449
program for the city of Madison.

1948
01:12:42,450 --> 01:12:43,709
Conversations with other older

1949
01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:45,589
police department about that quite

1950
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:46,989
yet on this instance.

1951
01:12:46,990 --> 01:12:48,149
The chief and I have talked about

1952
01:12:48,150 --> 01:12:50,769
this multiple times, not since

1953
01:12:50,770 --> 01:12:52,049
this incident.

1954
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:53,949
And I have with Alders

1955
01:12:53,950 --> 01:12:56,569
again over years.

1956
01:12:56,570 --> 01:12:58,809
Um, it is complicated,

1957
01:12:58,810 --> 01:13:00,129
but the last time the council voted

1958
01:13:00,130 --> 01:13:01,969
on it, um,

1959
01:13:01,970 --> 01:13:04,689
they chose not to fund a program.

1960
01:13:04,690 --> 01:13:07,169
Um, that's complicated.

1961
01:13:07,170 --> 01:13:09,329
Uh, but I think

1962
01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:11,329
I would be confident

1963
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:12,589
that there will be support on the

1964
01:13:12,590 --> 01:13:13,569
council for this.

1965
01:13:13,570 --> 01:13:15,669
I do want to say that...

1966
01:13:15,670 --> 01:13:17,789
Um, before we implement

1967
01:13:17,790 --> 01:13:19,329
a full body worn camera program,

1968
01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:20,769
it's very important for us to have

1969
01:13:20,770 --> 01:13:23,109
the correct policies in place.

1970
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:24,489
I know there's been some discussion

1971
01:13:24,490 --> 01:13:26,069
about that in the past and in the

1972
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:27,949
public. And that is something that

1973
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:29,629
I have communicated to the chief.

1974
01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:31,589
And I hope that the council will be

1975
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:34,169
involved in and and

1976
01:13:34,170 --> 01:13:36,329
been crafting that policy before

1977
01:13:36,330 --> 01:13:37,829
we run it.

1978
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:38,830
I'm sorry.

1979
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:42,229
That's an excellent question.

1980
01:13:42,230 --> 01:13:44,369
I mean, I think that right

1981
01:13:44,370 --> 01:13:47,629
now This is

1982
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:49,969
Can I can I answer the question can

1983
01:13:49,970 --> 01:13:51,509
I ask for the question? Thank you

1984
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:53,669
and There's

1985
01:13:53,670 --> 01:13:54,909
been a lot of conversation about

1986
01:13:54,910 --> 01:13:56,729
that policy, but this is the first

1987
01:13:56,730 --> 01:13:58,929
time that We

1988
01:13:58,930 --> 01:14:00,849
have had I mean this will

1989
01:14:00,850 --> 01:14:02,109
be the first Time when we release

1990
01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:03,589
the budget that the money has been

1991
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:06,029
in the budget to actually have

1992
01:14:06,030 --> 01:14:07,030
a program

1993
01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:12,009
So this is the first time that it's

1994
01:14:12,010 --> 01:14:13,169
been real that we would need a

1995
01:14:13,170 --> 01:14:14,170
policy.

1996
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:17,219
Yes, sir.

1997
01:14:17,220 --> 01:14:18,220
It's a f-

1998
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,299
Right. So we have

1999
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:24,239
not funded body worn cameras

2000
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:25,479
in the past.

2001
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:26,819
So we haven't had them.

2002
01:14:26,820 --> 01:14:28,439
So, we haven't needed to have a

2003
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:29,679
policy for them.

2004
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,539
Now that we will have them,

2005
01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:32,780
we need to have a policy for them

2006
01:14:37,820 --> 01:14:39,579
I don't think that will be a long

2007
01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:40,580
process.

2008
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,259
Well, the budget takes effect in

2009
01:14:46,260 --> 01:14:48,219
January, so I would

2010
01:14:48,220 --> 01:14:50,099
be absolutely positive that we could

2011
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:51,100
do it by then.

2012
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,219
That will be part of the policy

2013
01:14:55,220 --> 01:14:55,889
conversation.

2014
01:14:55,890 --> 01:14:57,749
But she didn't say that, yes,

2015
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:59,609
she said she's not

2016
01:14:59,610 --> 01:15:00,699
the one that should be made.

2017
01:15:00,700 --> 01:15:02,959
No, I won't be making the policy.

2018
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:03,960
No.

2019
01:15:04,410 --> 01:15:05,410
Yeah

2020
01:15:06,850 --> 01:15:08,669
Well, I just wanted to know

2021
01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:09,869
no no I just want to make sure I

2022
01:15:09,870 --> 01:15:11,489
clarify some things from speaker

2023
01:15:11,490 --> 01:15:12,689
from the Common Council and the

2024
01:15:12,690 --> 01:15:13,690
policy

2025
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:15,810
Wait what? What?

2026
01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:18,979
I don't, I wait, just let me just,

2027
01:15:18,980 --> 01:15:20,119
let me just level set.

2028
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:21,619
Let me just level set.

2029
01:15:21,620 --> 01:15:23,219
I am not here.

2030
01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:25,159
I have not here to use this as

2031
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,219
opportunity to elevate

2032
01:15:27,220 --> 01:15:28,239
myself.

2033
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,299
Do you answer for me?

2034
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:32,379
Does DCI provide

2035
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:34,019
recommendations?

2036
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:36,159
Do they give a conclusion?

2037
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,019
Do they tell you the direction

2038
01:15:38,020 --> 01:15:39,899
that this investigation needs

2039
01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:40,779
to go?

2040
01:15:40,780 --> 01:15:42,439
Do they get you any type of

2041
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:43,239
recommendations?

2042
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,019
Because every report I have.

2043
01:15:45,020 --> 01:15:46,979
At the end you all

2044
01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:49,139
can read it says that DCI

2045
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:51,199
did not provide any recommendations

2046
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,139
they do not do anything of the

2047
01:15:53,140 --> 01:15:55,099
sort to hide behind that

2048
01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:56,939
and present it as something that it

2049
01:15:56,940 --> 01:15:58,580
is not it's an honor

2050
01:16:00,530 --> 01:16:02,509
so thank you so

2051
01:16:02,510 --> 01:16:04,409
but before before the chief answers

2052
01:16:04,410 --> 01:16:05,749
your question i do want to make sure

2053
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:07,149
i clarify from you from the county

2054
01:16:07,150 --> 01:16:09,169
council standpoint so in

2055
01:16:09,170 --> 01:16:11,129
2025 there were several alders

2056
01:16:11,130 --> 01:16:12,649
who wanted to defund the office of

2057
01:16:12,650 --> 01:16:13,989
the independent monitor somewhere

2058
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:15,509
around i believe their budget maybe

2059
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:17,349
440 000 or so something

2060
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:19,709
like that and so um

2061
01:16:19,710 --> 01:16:21,069
alders did not want to see the

2062
01:16:21,070 --> 01:16:23,529
office decimated dismantled

2063
01:16:23,530 --> 01:16:25,449
ruined unfunded so

2064
01:16:25,450 --> 01:16:27,529
offers i think alders voted maybe 17

2065
01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:29,439
to three to keep

2066
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:31,559
the funding that the office has in

2067
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,379
their budget, because I would

2068
01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:34,959
imagine we all know that body-wear

2069
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,739
cameras are quite expensive.

2070
01:16:36,740 --> 01:16:38,679
So $400,000 would not

2071
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,959
have made a big dent at all.

2072
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,039
Also what happened at that

2073
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,419
conversation last year is that we

2074
01:16:43,420 --> 01:16:45,079
had a conversation on the floor with

2075
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,099
Chief Patterson.

2076
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:47,419
You can literally, the other thing I

2077
01:16:47,420 --> 01:16:48,319
wanna say is everything I'm saying

2078
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:49,539
is public record.

2079
01:16:49,540 --> 01:16:51,339
This is all recorded, it is all on

2080
01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:53,479
video, it's all in emails, it's

2081
01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:54,759
findable.

2082
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,319
But in that conversation we had on

2083
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:57,679
the floor with Chief Paterson.

2084
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:58,999
The Common Council committed to

2085
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,979
going into the next year because the

2086
01:17:00,980 --> 01:17:02,759
temporary men's shelter was going to

2087
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:03,899
become the permanent men's shelters

2088
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:04,699
this year.

2089
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:06,399
So now that we have secured

2090
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,299
permanent shelter for some

2091
01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:09,759
of the most vulnerable folks in the

2092
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,779
city, I think the

2093
01:17:11,780 --> 01:17:13,439
Common council last year was a bit

2094
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:15,559
more, we can do the body-worn

2095
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:16,339
cameras now.

2096
01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:18,179
So I expect, I've not heard

2097
01:17:18,180 --> 01:17:19,939
that any alders don't support

2098
01:17:19,940 --> 01:17:21,939
body-wand cameras this year at all.

2099
01:17:21,940 --> 01:17:23,159
And I also wanna just make sure I

2100
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,219
clarify because I've gotten his

2101
01:17:24,220 --> 01:17:25,149
question.

2102
01:17:25,150 --> 01:17:26,729
Probably 100 plus times, like, why

2103
01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:28,029
don't we have cameras?

2104
01:17:28,030 --> 01:17:29,909
Well, before we got this far,

2105
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:31,689
the community did not want us to

2106
01:17:31,690 --> 01:17:33,649
have cameras just yet without some

2107
01:17:33,650 --> 01:17:34,569
things in place.

2108
01:17:34,570 --> 01:17:36,249
So the community advocated against

2109
01:17:36,250 --> 01:17:37,389
implementation of body-wearing

2110
01:17:37,390 --> 01:17:39,449
cameras for some

2111
01:17:39,450 --> 01:17:41,129
years. And then more importantly,

2112
01:17:41,130 --> 01:17:42,809
more recently, the community took a

2113
01:17:42,810 --> 01:17:43,929
different turn and supports

2114
01:17:43,930 --> 01:17:45,169
body-worn cameras.

2115
01:17:45,170 --> 01:17:47,189
And I think there

2116
01:17:47,190 --> 01:17:48,669
are cameras everywhere, but just

2117
01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:49,969
more importantly where the Common

2118
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:51,629
Council is hearing from residents,

2119
01:17:51,630 --> 01:17:52,909
they're coming in to speak to Common

2120
01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:54,599
Council. I was not on the council at

2121
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:55,919
the time, but in the time that I've

2122
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,919
been on the council, the

2123
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,579
support for bodywear cameras has

2124
01:17:59,580 --> 01:18:01,599
increased and they'll be funded.

2125
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,079
I'm confident that they'll be

2126
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,080
funded.

2127
01:18:05,670 --> 01:18:07,549
So, let's talk

2128
01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:08,429
about it.

2129
01:18:08,430 --> 01:18:09,789
It's Helen or Helen?

2130
01:18:09,790 --> 01:18:11,649
Helen. So, you said I

2131
01:18:11,650 --> 01:18:13,569
was, I guess I just

2132
01:18:13,570 --> 01:18:15,269
need to make sure, I wanna answer

2133
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:17,309
your question pretty well because

2134
01:18:17,310 --> 01:18:19,189
I like to clarify things.

2135
01:18:19,190 --> 01:18:20,889
So when you say that I am police, do

2136
01:18:20,890 --> 01:18:22,859
you mind defining that for me?

2137
01:18:22,860 --> 01:18:24,959
But every time that you write

2138
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,639
amendments that take away from the

2139
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,459
independence of the monitor,

2140
01:18:28,460 --> 01:18:30,299
we have to spend time on

2141
01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:32,459
your amendments that limit our

2142
01:18:32,460 --> 01:18:34,739
independence instead of actually

2143
01:18:34,740 --> 01:18:36,779
providing vigilance over the police

2144
01:18:36,780 --> 01:18:38,819
department. So every

2145
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:40,739
time you do that, you nick away

2146
01:18:40,740 --> 01:18:41,779
at our independence.

2147
01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:43,959
Sure, now let me reply to you.

2148
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,379
So one, I did not write the

2149
01:18:45,380 --> 01:18:46,759
amendments, right?

2150
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,340
No, no, so I just want to, I'm

2151
01:18:48,341 --> 01:18:49,119
answering your questions.

2152
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,479
I gave you, I listened to you,

2153
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:51,259
correct?

2154
01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:53,039
I've always, the year that I worked

2155
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,679
on restoring money for Greg

2156
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,539
Gallemick's position, I think we

2157
01:18:56,540 --> 01:18:57,939
restored, I was able to restore

2158
01:18:57,940 --> 01:18:59,959
$126,000 for maybe

2159
01:18:59,960 --> 01:19:01,159
a position or something else in the

2160
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:02,899
office. I don't know if I was police

2161
01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:04,879
then or police now what the

2162
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:06,879
difference is, but in short,

2163
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,199
those amendments were not written by

2164
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:09,189
me.

2165
01:19:09,190 --> 01:19:11,209
The thing that I, no, could you just

2166
01:19:11,210 --> 01:19:12,509
let me finish?

2167
01:19:12,510 --> 01:19:14,509
When you are in council leadership,

2168
01:19:14,510 --> 01:19:15,509
whether that's fortunate or

2169
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:16,749
unfortunately, you sign up for it,

2170
01:19:16,750 --> 01:19:17,529
right?

2171
01:19:17,530 --> 01:19:19,089
I signed up to become a council

2172
01:19:19,090 --> 01:19:20,849
president. I was elected unanimously

2173
01:19:20,850 --> 01:19:22,529
to service come council president,

2174
01:19:22,530 --> 01:19:24,029
the thing I did not know before

2175
01:19:24,030 --> 01:19:25,709
being president is some of the

2176
01:19:25,710 --> 01:19:27,389
challenges that existed, not about

2177
01:19:27,390 --> 01:19:28,829
investigations, not about the office

2178
01:19:28,830 --> 01:19:30,689
of independence, not about them

2179
01:19:30,690 --> 01:19:32,189
being able to do their job, like to

2180
01:19:32,190 --> 01:19:33,429
do investigations and, you know,

2181
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:35,209
report on and accept reports and

2182
01:19:35,210 --> 01:19:36,629
that sort of thing. But just things

2183
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:38,249
like yesterday, for example, win.

2184
01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:39,749
Maya reached out to the office

2185
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:40,929
around, I don't know, maybe three

2186
01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:42,869
o'clock, if you may remember,

2187
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:44,749
and she was wanting some help

2188
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:46,809
posting an agenda

2189
01:19:46,810 --> 01:19:48,409
for a meeting that may be tonight or

2190
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:49,229
tomorrow night.

2191
01:19:49,230 --> 01:19:51,129
And when that happened,

2192
01:19:51,130 --> 01:19:52,989
we have civil service employees in

2193
01:19:52,990 --> 01:19:55,169
the common council office, right?

2194
01:19:55,170 --> 01:19:56,909
So Greg, for example, is a civil

2195
01:19:56,910 --> 01:19:58,169
service employee.

2196
01:19:58,170 --> 01:20:00,289
So those employees

2197
01:20:00,290 --> 01:20:02,849
often, or also are

2198
01:20:02,850 --> 01:20:04,769
served by two different

2199
01:20:04,770 --> 01:20:06,869
labor groups, for examples.

2200
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:08,569
Those labor groups set all kind of

2201
01:20:08,570 --> 01:20:09,849
rules, what they can do with

2202
01:20:09,850 --> 01:20:11,269
overtime, how long they can work,

2203
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:13,309
who can do for what, right?

2204
01:20:13,310 --> 01:20:15,249
So when that happened, I

2205
01:20:15,250 --> 01:20:16,469
ended up having to talk to the chief

2206
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:18,229
of staff about it because our chief

2207
01:20:18,230 --> 01:20:19,989
of stuff has a four o'clock

2208
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:21,269
appointment. So this is happening,

2209
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:22,589
she has an appointment.

2210
01:20:22,590 --> 01:20:23,689
There are two other staff, one of

2211
01:20:23,690 --> 01:20:25,309
the staff doesn't really know how to

2212
01:20:25,310 --> 01:20:27,249
do this. She's trying to hunt down

2213
01:20:27,250 --> 01:20:28,949
that third person who might be able

2214
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:29,849
to pitch in.

2215
01:20:29,850 --> 01:20:31,209
It looks like there was also an

2216
01:20:31,210 --> 01:20:32,549
attempt to reach the clerk's office.

2217
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:33,929
We know clerk's is busy with

2218
01:20:33,930 --> 01:20:34,959
creating ballots.

2219
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,999
And so when we had Nicole at

2220
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,299
the Common Council meeting, what,

2221
01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:40,459
Tuesday night, one thing that Nicole

2222
01:20:40,460 --> 01:20:42,559
said to us

2223
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,639
is what we're doing, clarifying

2224
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:45,679
or restrictive.

2225
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,619
Now, when I booked Nicole to come

2226
01:20:47,620 --> 01:20:48,739
here, the one thing I wanted to do

2227
01:20:48,740 --> 01:20:50,679
as someone who loves education is

2228
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,299
to provide us education.

2229
01:20:52,300 --> 01:20:54,139
So that would allow us to go back

2230
01:20:54,140 --> 01:20:55,999
to whatever was drafted

2231
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,879
prior to us and go back

2232
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,079
and potentially make edits because I

2233
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,640
think what, I just wanna finish.

2234
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,559
I understand, I think, Nope,

2235
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,019
I'm trying to answer your question.

2236
01:21:05,020 --> 01:21:07,059
No i'm answering your question fully

2237
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:09,199
yes yes

2238
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,799
yep yep let me finish let

2239
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,699
me finish yes let

2240
01:21:13,700 --> 01:21:16,379
me finished let me finish let

2241
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:18,759
me let me finish so

2242
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,839
in comic council i have

2243
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,239
to be sometimes brought into

2244
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:24,859
things and i'm not going to go into

2245
01:21:24,860 --> 01:21:26,339
like the office dynamics that's not

2246
01:21:26,340 --> 01:21:28,419
my role to like talk

2247
01:21:28,420 --> 01:21:29,979
about all it and i don't think you

2248
01:21:29,980 --> 01:21:31,159
would want me to do all of it

2249
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:33,959
And to answer the question, it's

2250
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,199
more so how much do you want me to

2251
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:36,319
share open and publicly today?

2252
01:21:39,220 --> 01:21:41,219
Okay, so if so if

2253
01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:43,079
the if the office of

2254
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:44,079
Okay, my bad.

2255
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,539
Let me just say the reason I the

2256
01:21:45,540 --> 01:21:47,459
reason. I am continue to sign or

2257
01:21:47,460 --> 01:21:49,279
nope The reason that I

2258
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,299
am continued to sign on to the

2259
01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:52,439
amendment I just want you got your

2260
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:54,219
recording make sure I'm clear so I

2261
01:21:54,220 --> 01:21:56,099
can I can be heard is Because

2262
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:57,879
I am still being brought into

2263
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,799
operational challenges

2264
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,639
However, the amendments are not

2265
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,039
final and because we got the

2266
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,899
education from NACO from the

2267
01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:06,679
law group I expect revisions.

2268
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:08,139
I expect maybe things are gonna be

2269
01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:08,939
pulled.

2270
01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:10,379
No, no, no.

2271
01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:12,399
I, I literally, I literally

2272
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:13,379
expect things.

2273
01:22:13,380 --> 01:22:14,640
I think they also think the

2274
01:22:16,220 --> 01:22:18,359
No, no, no but wait

2275
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,799
no

2276
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,039
one had to sign on to NGR's

2277
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,619
amendments they could have just died

2278
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,259
I'm staff in the office

2279
01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:46,260
of the independent monitor.

2280
01:22:47,260 --> 01:22:48,879
And you and I have worked quite

2281
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,419
productive times in the past.

2282
01:22:52,660 --> 01:22:54,339
The pastor referred to the

2283
01:22:54,340 --> 01:22:55,779
distinction between words and

2284
01:22:55,780 --> 01:22:56,780
actions.

2285
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:01,879
One of our core

2286
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,139
rights under existing amendment

2287
01:23:04,140 --> 01:23:06,239
is access to

2288
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:07,799
MPD databases.

2289
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:08,939
Unfettered. Unfetter.

2290
01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:09,360
Unfetter, yeah.

2291
01:23:09,361 --> 01:23:11,619
And you heard Nicole

2292
01:23:11,620 --> 01:23:14,339
talk about the importance of

2293
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:15,359
direct access.

2294
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:16,360
Yep, yep.

2295
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:18,999
Please explain why you

2296
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,579
are sponsoring, continue to sponsor,

2297
01:23:21,580 --> 01:23:24,039
an amendment that would eliminate

2298
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:25,939
our capacity to have

2299
01:23:25,940 --> 01:23:28,259
that access and therefore impede

2300
01:23:28,260 --> 01:23:29,260
our investigations.

2301
01:23:30,330 --> 01:23:32,169
Yep, that's, I'm so glad

2302
01:23:32,170 --> 01:23:33,849
that is a great question, Greg.

2303
01:23:33,850 --> 01:23:35,209
The reason that I am still on a

2304
01:23:35,210 --> 01:23:36,830
sponsor is because there is, you

2305
01:23:36,831 --> 01:23:38,689
know, Greg knows if anybody else

2306
01:23:38,690 --> 01:23:39,569
doesn't know.

2307
01:23:39,570 --> 01:23:41,069
There is a process for amendments

2308
01:23:41,070 --> 01:23:42,629
before the common council meets to

2309
01:23:42,630 --> 01:23:43,929
vote on those amendments.

2310
01:23:43,930 --> 01:23:45,249
Normally we're working with maybe

2311
01:23:45,250 --> 01:23:46,289
the city attorney's office,

2312
01:23:46,290 --> 01:23:47,369
sometimes going back.

2313
01:23:47,370 --> 01:23:48,849
I know the PCLB may have a meeting

2314
01:23:48,850 --> 01:23:50,149
coming up where you'll talk about

2315
01:23:50,150 --> 01:23:52,249
some things, but we're workin'

2316
01:23:52,250 --> 01:23:54,149
on it. I expect the unfettered

2317
01:23:54,150 --> 01:23:55,009
thing to be removed.

2318
01:23:55,010 --> 01:23:56,249
I expect to think about the

2319
01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:57,509
attorney's stuff to be remove.

2320
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:58,749
Because those are things that where

2321
01:23:58,750 --> 01:24:00,149
we're in conversations when I'm

2322
01:24:00,150 --> 01:24:01,809
coming to your meetings, showing up,

2323
01:24:01,810 --> 01:24:02,929
listening to what you all have to

2324
01:24:02,930 --> 01:24:05,049
say. And because I'm

2325
01:24:05,050 --> 01:24:06,549
serving as common council president,

2326
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:08,069
I'm also thinking like the operating

2327
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:10,449
thing, what can I sort of

2328
01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:12,269
help encourage in order to,

2329
01:24:12,270 --> 01:24:13,669
so I don't have to be pulled into

2330
01:24:13,670 --> 01:24:15,069
things if that makes sense.

2331
01:24:15,070 --> 01:24:16,629
So while I understand you, the

2332
01:24:16,630 --> 01:24:17,929
reason that I'm still signed on is

2333
01:24:17,930 --> 01:24:18,949
because I know it's a work in

2334
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:20,839
progress and it's not final.

2335
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:21,840
So yeah.

2336
01:24:24,580 --> 01:24:26,479
If Matt Kenny is still

2337
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:28,359
on the police force,

2338
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,299
why are we supposed to trust

2339
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:32,439
that this process will

2340
01:24:32,440 --> 01:24:33,760
end in accountability?

2341
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:36,899
There you go!

2342
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,439
I actually have a question for Ms.

2343
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:42,399
Sabrina Madison. Oh, yes.

2344
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:43,400
I want to know.

2345
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,939
This is a question of integrity,

2346
01:24:46,940 --> 01:24:48,339
okay? Yep, yes, I'm ready.

2347
01:24:48,340 --> 01:24:50,399
If I were to go through

2348
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,479
a database of publicly

2349
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:54,279
documented records.

2350
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:55,039
Yes.

2351
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,259
I'm gonna tell you how.

2352
01:24:56,260 --> 01:24:57,679
This is how you find all of my

2353
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,380
records. You send it, email, yes.

2354
01:24:59,381 --> 01:24:59,399
Email.

2355
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:00,400
Yes.

2356
01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:03,339
Oh, you can go through those

2357
01:25:03,340 --> 01:25:05,239
publicly documented records,

2358
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,339
would I find out that your

2359
01:25:07,340 --> 01:25:09,379
nonprofit received money from

2360
01:25:09,380 --> 01:25:11,379
the city while you were a

2361
01:25:11,380 --> 01:25:12,439
sitting out of the person?

2362
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:13,200
What? Yep, so.

2363
01:25:13,201 --> 01:25:15,349
Yep, so you'll find in 2021 that

2364
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:17,369
our office received funding from the

2365
01:25:17,370 --> 01:25:19,429
city of Madison for a grant that

2366
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:21,869
we were all funded.

2367
01:25:21,870 --> 01:25:24,489
Yes, I'm telling it to you.

2368
01:25:24,490 --> 01:25:25,490
Yes.

2369
01:25:25,780 --> 01:25:27,659
That's against the law.

2370
01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:28,989
You shouldn't have done that.

2371
01:25:28,990 --> 01:25:30,369
Your trust is down the drain.

2372
01:25:30,370 --> 01:25:32,289
So we received funding on a grant

2373
01:25:32,290 --> 01:25:34,809
on, just to clear up for y'all.

2374
01:25:34,810 --> 01:25:36,209
Oh no, it's not, you can look it up.

2375
01:25:36,210 --> 01:25:38,049
Please look it, this

2376
01:25:38,050 --> 01:25:39,029
is public record.

2377
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:40,389
There's no hiding it.

2378
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:42,049
So I just wanna make sure I answer.

2379
01:25:42,050 --> 01:25:43,269
You can look up the Progress Center

2380
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:44,569
for Black Women.

2381
01:25:44,570 --> 01:25:46,050
The year that we got the grant, I

2382
01:25:46,051 --> 01:25:47,669
was not in order.

2383
01:25:47,670 --> 01:25:49,529
And so then, nope, we were not,

2384
01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:51,409
I wasn't in order and then when I

2385
01:25:51,410 --> 01:25:53,069
became in order, I- You

2386
01:25:54,510 --> 01:25:56,329
separated myself from

2387
01:25:56,330 --> 01:25:58,549
it and the grant ended.

2388
01:25:58,550 --> 01:26:00,769
The grant ended and it was done.

2389
01:26:00,770 --> 01:26:01,769
Oh, no, this is public.

2390
01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:02,649
But let me just tell you how to get

2391
01:26:02,650 --> 01:26:03,709
my records.

2392
01:26:03,710 --> 01:26:05,189
You send an email.

2393
01:26:05,190 --> 01:26:07,009
No, no. Send an email,

2394
01:26:07,010 --> 01:26:08,909
send it, send an e-mail

2395
01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:10,929
to council at city of Madison

2396
01:26:10,930 --> 01:26:12,189
dot com.

2397
01:26:12,190 --> 01:26:13,190
There we go.

2398
01:26:26,270 --> 01:26:28,409
Let's give black women

2399
01:26:28,410 --> 01:26:30,449
the space they deserve in

2400
01:26:30,450 --> 01:26:31,450
the world.

2401
01:26:33,130 --> 01:26:35,069
Everybody else gotta

2402
01:26:35,070 --> 01:26:37,109
let black women have their

2403
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:38,409
space.

2404
01:26:38,410 --> 01:26:40,389
It's okay, I'm very transparent

2405
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:41,390
about that.

2406
01:26:44,730 --> 01:26:46,849
If Matt Kennedy is

2407
01:26:46,850 --> 01:26:49,049
still on the police force,

2408
01:26:49,050 --> 01:26:50,769
how are we supposed to trust that

2409
01:26:50,770 --> 01:26:52,509
this process is going to end in

2410
01:26:52,510 --> 01:26:52,609
accountability?

2411
01:26:52,610 --> 01:26:55,469
It's exactly why I brought up

2412
01:26:55,470 --> 01:26:58,369
the historical trauma

2413
01:26:58,370 --> 01:26:59,849
and incidents that have occurred in

2414
01:26:59,850 --> 01:27:00,850
the same neighborhood.

2415
01:27:01,810 --> 01:27:05,249
It's the same reason

2416
01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:07,289
that

2417
01:27:07,290 --> 01:27:09,769
I brought it up and I feel

2418
01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:11,589
like my job is

2419
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:13,469
to do my darndest to make

2420
01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:15,289
sure that this investigation is

2421
01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:16,429
independent.

2422
01:27:16,430 --> 01:27:18,269
That I am not at

2423
01:27:18,270 --> 01:27:20,569
all influencing that in any way.

2424
01:27:20,570 --> 01:27:22,189
That I'm not using my position in

2425
01:27:22,190 --> 01:27:23,289
any way to influence it.

2426
01:27:23,290 --> 01:27:25,909
I'm using historical decisions

2427
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:28,449
that didn't involve,

2428
01:27:28,450 --> 01:27:29,690
frankly, anyone in this room.

2429
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:33,089
But we have to ensure

2430
01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:34,949
that this particular investigation

2431
01:27:36,110 --> 01:27:38,269
has complete autonomy from

2432
01:27:38,270 --> 01:27:39,369
this police department.

2433
01:27:39,370 --> 01:27:41,349
We're gonna cooperate fully with it.

2434
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:43,129
We're not gonna influence it,

2435
01:27:43,130 --> 01:27:44,469
anything they need they're going to

2436
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:45,470
get from us, period.

2437
01:27:46,510 --> 01:27:48,029
That's what I can assure you.

2438
01:27:48,030 --> 01:27:50,169
And I can't say anything up here,

2439
01:27:50,170 --> 01:27:52,289
as you would suspect, that is

2440
01:27:52,290 --> 01:27:53,369
going to be able to address

2441
01:27:53,370 --> 01:27:55,369
something that we have

2442
01:27:55,370 --> 01:27:56,889
all been talking about, I have been

2443
01:27:56,890 --> 01:27:59,309
talking for over a decade.

2444
01:27:59,310 --> 01:28:00,310
You know that.

2445
01:28:01,150 --> 01:28:03,009
Yes, I know you've had your hand up,

2446
01:28:03,010 --> 01:28:03,810
so please go ahead, I'm sorry.

2447
01:28:03,811 --> 01:28:05,699
So my question is

2448
01:28:05,700 --> 01:28:07,799
specific to police training

2449
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,699
specifically with defense and arrest

2450
01:28:09,700 --> 01:28:10,899
tactics.

2451
01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:12,499
Number one, it's kind of a two-part

2452
01:28:12,500 --> 01:28:13,639
question, all right?

2453
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,659
So number one, are your officers

2454
01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:17,519
trained under DAP to

2455
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,279
use the least amount of force

2456
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,459
possible to overcome a threat?

2457
01:28:21,460 --> 01:28:23,339
And if they choose to

2458
01:28:23,340 --> 01:28:25,179
use deadly force, do they have to

2459
01:28:25,180 --> 01:28:27,879
evaluate, say

2460
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:29,719
after each shot is fired whether

2461
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,719
or not the threat is still

2462
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,829
there? They're, they're...

2463
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:35,769
Is a standard of of a

2464
01:28:35,770 --> 01:28:37,649
threat of great bodily harm or death

2465
01:28:37,650 --> 01:28:39,549
that must be articulated to

2466
01:28:39,550 --> 01:28:41,609
oneself or to someone else.

2467
01:28:41,610 --> 01:28:43,569
And so that is a standards that DCI

2468
01:28:43,570 --> 01:28:45,249
will be evaluating when they start

2469
01:28:45,250 --> 01:28:46,649
that is the standard we will use

2470
01:28:46,650 --> 01:28:48,789
when we do our use of force review.

2471
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:50,729
You clearly have read from the dad

2472
01:28:50,730 --> 01:28:51,950
curriculum.

2473
01:28:53,210 --> 01:28:54,149
That's good.

2474
01:28:54,150 --> 01:28:54,929
That is good.

2475
01:28:54,930 --> 01:28:57,769
And that will happen.

2476
01:28:57,770 --> 01:28:58,909
That will happen.

2477
01:28:58,910 --> 01:29:00,309
Can I jump to her because she's also

2478
01:29:00,310 --> 01:29:01,369
had her hand up and I'll come back

2479
01:29:01,370 --> 01:29:02,329
to you.

2480
01:29:02,330 --> 01:29:03,119
Go ahead.

2481
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,219
He said that, well,

2482
01:29:05,220 --> 01:29:07,119
I saw on Facebook that the knife

2483
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,019
had supposed to have punctured

2484
01:29:09,020 --> 01:29:10,659
the police officer.

2485
01:29:10,660 --> 01:29:12,159
But then I got a witness who saw the

2486
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,399
whole thing who called and said,

2487
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:15,879
hey, the knife was found in his

2488
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,819
pocket once he was shot.

2489
01:29:17,820 --> 01:29:18,659
Can you clarify?

2490
01:29:18,660 --> 01:29:19,660
I'm

2491
01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:21,459
I don't know.

2492
01:29:21,460 --> 01:29:23,299
I don t know that's up to DCI

2493
01:29:23,300 --> 01:29:25,199
to articulate and to find

2494
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,539
out and to investigate.

2495
01:29:26,540 --> 01:29:28,099
I don't I saw a photo of it on the

2496
01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:29,499
pavement. That's what was shared.

2497
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:31,259
I don't how it was produced.

2498
01:29:31,260 --> 01:29:32,339
I dont know how it got to the

2499
01:29:32,340 --> 01:29:33,659
pavement, that's all part of their

2500
01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:34,859
investigation that they need to

2501
01:29:34,860 --> 01:29:35,639
figure out.

2502
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:36,640
The officer was.

2503
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:40,469
The officer was, all four officers,

2504
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:41,929
including the officer that received

2505
01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:43,929
the injuries and the

2506
01:29:43,930 --> 01:29:45,309
other officer that had injuries,

2507
01:29:45,310 --> 01:29:46,430
they all were evaluated at the

2508
01:29:46,431 --> 01:29:48,329
hospital and

2509
01:29:48,330 --> 01:29:50,429
they've been released.

2510
01:29:50,430 --> 01:29:51,079
So, yes.

2511
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,059
Um to clarify the mayor said

2512
01:29:53,060 --> 01:29:55,079
that she would request funding

2513
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,959
for a body camera program is

2514
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,459
that another pilot or is that no

2515
01:29:58,460 --> 01:29:59,200
what i

2516
01:29:59,201 --> 01:30:01,179
No, what I, well I hope not, but I,

2517
01:30:01,180 --> 01:30:02,179
what i've requested in.

2518
01:30:02,180 --> 01:30:03,229
It's a full program.

2519
01:30:03,230 --> 01:30:04,869
Do you know approximately the price

2520
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:06,269
tag for that and when that could be

2521
01:30:06,270 --> 01:30:07,629
implemented?

2522
01:30:07,630 --> 01:30:09,569
I don't have the

2523
01:30:09,570 --> 01:30:11,389
numbers at the top of

2524
01:30:11,390 --> 01:30:12,629
mind, but it's in the police

2525
01:30:12,630 --> 01:30:14,669
department's capital budget

2526
01:30:14,670 --> 01:30:16,729
request and I assume

2527
01:30:16,730 --> 01:30:18,449
in their operating budget request as

2528
01:30:18,450 --> 01:30:21,209
well, which will be public soon.

2529
01:30:21,210 --> 01:30:22,709
So you could go look at the capital

2530
01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:25,049
budget requests for those numbers.

2531
01:30:25,050 --> 01:30:27,069
And the program that the police

2532
01:30:27,070 --> 01:30:28,969
proposed was a rollout of over

2533
01:30:28,970 --> 01:30:30,609
multiple years.

2534
01:30:30,610 --> 01:30:32,489
And I believe three years, is that

2535
01:30:32,490 --> 01:30:33,969
right, Chief? Yeah, so there was a

2536
01:30:33,970 --> 01:30:35,899
proposed rollout over three years.

2537
01:30:35,900 --> 01:30:37,359
There is a capital cost for the

2538
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:38,939
equipment. There's also an operating

2539
01:30:38,940 --> 01:30:40,999
cost for the technical

2540
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,159
support and then the

2541
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,339
records review that is required

2542
01:30:45,340 --> 01:30:47,259
when you have more video and

2543
01:30:47,260 --> 01:30:49,299
people obviously will request that

2544
01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:51,419
through an open records process and

2545
01:30:51,420 --> 01:30:53,159
they need more staff to review that

2546
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,039
video. So that's the operating cost

2547
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:56,129
that's in here.

2548
01:30:56,130 --> 01:30:57,989
For the Office of Independent

2549
01:30:57,990 --> 01:31:00,249
Monitor and PCOB to be able to

2550
01:31:00,250 --> 01:31:02,469
institute and recommend policies

2551
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:04,389
for the rollout of these

2552
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:05,769
body-worn cameras.

2553
01:31:05,770 --> 01:31:07,889
So, I haven't received

2554
01:31:07,890 --> 01:31:09,409
the budget request yet from the

2555
01:31:09,410 --> 01:31:10,389
Office of the Independent Monitor.

2556
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:11,669
That will come as part of the

2557
01:31:11,670 --> 01:31:13,469
operating budget, and we'll review

2558
01:31:13,470 --> 01:31:15,389
that just like we review from any

2559
01:31:15,390 --> 01:31:16,390
other agency.

2560
01:31:20,150 --> 01:31:22,269
I'll review the request just like

2561
01:31:22,270 --> 01:31:24,229
every other agency comes in and we

2562
01:31:24,230 --> 01:31:25,509
review it and we make a decision.

2563
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:26,929
And we'll release the executive

2564
01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:28,929
operating budget,

2565
01:31:28,930 --> 01:31:30,279
I believe it's in October.

2566
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,119
Do you recognize that this is a

2567
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:33,279
really good place to oversight?

2568
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:34,819
I still want to be respectful as

2569
01:31:34,820 --> 01:31:36,339
reporters, and you guys are free to

2570
01:31:36,340 --> 01:31:37,559
ask questions, but we're just trying

2571
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:38,759
to get people to have a run.

2572
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:39,760
Patrick, maybe, over there?

2573
01:31:42,630 --> 01:31:44,489
You mentioned that it failed

2574
01:31:44,490 --> 01:31:45,329
to work.

2575
01:31:45,330 --> 01:31:46,449
It was unsuccessful.

2576
01:31:47,890 --> 01:31:49,869
Okay, good.

2577
01:31:56,930 --> 01:31:58,229
Unsuccessful can mean a number of

2578
01:31:58,230 --> 01:31:59,949
things. It can mean the probes

2579
01:31:59,950 --> 01:32:01,769
failed, it can mean there wasn't

2580
01:32:01,770 --> 01:32:03,649
neuromuscular incapacitation for

2581
01:32:03,650 --> 01:32:04,869
some reason, it can be a lot of

2582
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:06,909
things, I don't know what happened.

2583
01:32:06,910 --> 01:32:08,289
Recognize when somebody is

2584
01:32:08,290 --> 01:32:10,429
convulsing due to being

2585
01:32:10,430 --> 01:32:12,429
patased versus when they are

2586
01:32:12,430 --> 01:32:14,129
considered still of course not

2587
01:32:14,130 --> 01:32:15,969
incapacitated is there

2588
01:32:15,970 --> 01:32:18,289
a period of time when officers to

2589
01:32:18,290 --> 01:32:22,029
wait to see if the

2590
01:32:22,030 --> 01:32:22,929
Yeah.

2591
01:32:22,930 --> 01:32:24,549
Chief, I am not a use of force

2592
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:25,889
expert, but I can tell you about the

2593
01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:27,329
tasers. When there's successful

2594
01:32:27,330 --> 01:32:29,349
deployment, there typically is

2595
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:31,469
a five-second time

2596
01:32:31,470 --> 01:32:32,530
period that is delivered.

2597
01:32:34,030 --> 01:32:36,469
So when, so let me say this,

2598
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:37,729
but say, let me see this.

2599
01:32:40,610 --> 01:32:42,489
But that we have to be, let let me

2600
01:32:42,490 --> 01:32:44,009
just finish. We have to be careful

2601
01:32:44,010 --> 01:32:45,309
with that because if it's not

2602
01:32:45,310 --> 01:32:46,949
successful, you're not going to see

2603
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:47,769
the same results.

2604
01:32:47,770 --> 01:32:48,989
You're not gonna see the same

2605
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,599
You're not going to see this,

2606
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:58,739
but we are also trained to

2607
01:32:58,740 --> 01:33:00,639
hear what the

2608
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:02,259
taser is telling us and often when

2609
01:33:02,260 --> 01:33:04,599
there's an unsuccessful deployment,

2610
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:05,739
for whatever reason, I don't know,

2611
01:33:05,740 --> 01:33:07,619
it could be bulky clothes, it can be

2612
01:33:07,620 --> 01:33:09,459
a probe mist or what have you,

2613
01:33:09,460 --> 01:33:10,479
you're going to hear something

2614
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:12,179
different. It's going to be audible,

2615
01:33:12,180 --> 01:33:13,180
it's going to be very loud.

2616
01:33:17,210 --> 01:33:19,369
In an instance where

2617
01:33:19,370 --> 01:33:21,649
a weapon of any sort is involved,

2618
01:33:21,650 --> 01:33:24,029
if less lethal is an option,

2619
01:33:24,030 --> 01:33:25,749
we're going to try to use that as

2620
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:27,149
often as possible, to your point.

2621
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:31,809
So this is all going to be reviewed

2622
01:33:31,810 --> 01:33:32,649
by DCI.

2623
01:33:32,650 --> 01:33:33,729
I don't know what else to say on

2624
01:33:33,730 --> 01:33:34,099
that.

2625
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:35,879
This community is going to mourn

2626
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:37,739
someone whose life was lost

2627
01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:39,119
on Willie Street.

2628
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,039
You all are members of Madison's

2629
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:41,919
community.

2630
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:43,979
Will you join us to mourne the life

2631
01:33:43,980 --> 01:33:45,879
and continue to answer questions

2632
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:47,560
that community members clearly have?

2633
01:33:48,710 --> 01:33:50,029
Yes, I'll do my best.

2634
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:52,169
Not a uniform, regular,

2635
01:33:52,170 --> 01:33:53,170
community person.

2636
01:33:54,250 --> 01:33:56,569
I will talk about it after, yes.

2637
01:33:56,570 --> 01:33:58,409
Yes, sir, yes, I'm sorry, he's

2638
01:33:58,410 --> 01:33:58,790
had his hand up.

2639
01:33:58,791 --> 01:34:00,529
It's very, very, hopefully very

2640
01:34:00,530 --> 01:34:01,489
quick. I know you just said you're

2641
01:34:01,490 --> 01:34:03,029
not a use of force expert,

2642
01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:04,030
nevertheless.

2643
01:34:04,770 --> 01:34:06,769
When considering what a reasonable

2644
01:34:06,770 --> 01:34:08,808
officer would have done in

2645
01:34:08,809 --> 01:34:11,089
this sort of situation,

2646
01:34:11,090 --> 01:34:12,909
in terms of whether or not

2647
01:34:12,910 --> 01:34:15,289
a reasonable officer would've used

2648
01:34:15,290 --> 01:34:17,169
debt divorce, as described

2649
01:34:17,170 --> 01:34:18,159
under DAT.

2650
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,239
How is that evaluation

2651
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,058
effected when there's multiple

2652
01:34:22,059 --> 01:34:23,799
officers involved in the same

2653
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,539
situation but only one officer

2654
01:34:25,540 --> 01:34:27,639
decides to use a lethal force

2655
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:28,519
in a way that I don't understand?

2656
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,099
I want to be really careful and I'm

2657
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:32,439
not trying to dodge you but but

2658
01:34:32,440 --> 01:34:33,699
I want to be real careful I don't

2659
01:34:33,700 --> 01:34:35,179
want to dodge, you I mean that

2660
01:34:35,180 --> 01:34:36,879
respectfully but we we all have to

2661
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:38,819
remember what I said you know me

2662
01:34:38,820 --> 01:34:39,979
standing here is your police chief

2663
01:34:39,980 --> 01:34:41,979
if I steer my

2664
01:34:41,980 --> 01:34:43,539
comments in a certain direction or I

2665
01:34:43,540 --> 01:34:44,899
render something that's viewed as an

2666
01:34:44,900 --> 01:34:45,999
opinion that can affect the

2667
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:47,679
independent investigations I can't

2668
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,539
do that I can do that and

2669
01:34:49,540 --> 01:34:51,799
so for that reason I'm gonna not

2670
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:53,379
give you a response that you may

2671
01:34:53,380 --> 01:34:54,999
want right now I'm sorry I just I

2672
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:56,659
just do now want to impact that

2673
01:34:56,660 --> 01:34:58,179
investigation. And no, I appreciate

2674
01:34:58,180 --> 01:34:59,079
that, George. I'm sorry.

2675
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:00,089
I'm going to get in the way.

2676
01:35:00,090 --> 01:35:02,289
I mean, are you aware of any MPD

2677
01:35:02,290 --> 01:35:03,629
officer that has been charged or

2678
01:35:03,630 --> 01:35:05,189
convicted in the past of actions

2679
01:35:05,190 --> 01:35:06,859
while taken on the force?

2680
01:35:06,860 --> 01:35:07,860
George.

2681
01:35:09,630 --> 01:35:10,950
Yes ma'am.

2682
01:35:12,990 --> 01:35:15,308
We know, by statistics,

2683
01:35:15,309 --> 01:35:18,369
that Madison, Wisconsin, is one of

2684
01:35:18,370 --> 01:35:19,929
the most racist states to live in.

2685
01:35:19,930 --> 01:35:21,569
We're here. We know the black people

2686
01:35:21,570 --> 01:35:22,369
are here.

2687
01:35:22,370 --> 01:35:24,349
We know that government is trying to

2688
01:35:24,350 --> 01:35:26,269
work with all people here

2689
01:35:26,270 --> 01:35:27,249
in Madison, Weston.

2690
01:35:27,250 --> 01:35:29,209
So we have seen us come

2691
01:35:29,210 --> 01:35:30,489
so far.

2692
01:35:31,710 --> 01:35:32,808
Madison has been really, really

2693
01:35:32,809 --> 01:35:34,789
quiet while the world has been

2694
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:36,029
turned upside down.

2695
01:35:36,030 --> 01:35:37,869
And yesterday, our world

2696
01:35:37,870 --> 01:35:40,369
was turned upside-down by

2697
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:42,129
a senseless death.

2698
01:35:42,130 --> 01:35:43,989
I do believe that,

2699
01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:46,109
and this is my opinion, that

2700
01:35:46,110 --> 01:35:48,169
if that was

2701
01:35:48,170 --> 01:35:50,989
a white person,

2702
01:35:50,990 --> 01:35:53,489
he probably would not be dead today.

2703
01:35:53,490 --> 01:35:55,709
He probably would have quit the game

2704
01:35:55,710 --> 01:35:57,589
today, but he

2705
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:59,789
probably wouldn't have been

2706
01:35:59,790 --> 01:36:02,749
murdered yesterday.

2707
01:36:02,750 --> 01:36:04,949
So I just want, I'm

2708
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:05,950
here,

2709
01:36:07,110 --> 01:36:09,109
can't say how everybody else thinks,

2710
01:36:09,110 --> 01:36:11,129
Bye. I truly believe

2711
01:36:11,130 --> 01:36:13,089
that if I was a comfortable person

2712
01:36:13,090 --> 01:36:15,049
that they probably would be

2713
01:36:15,050 --> 01:36:16,969
in your jail, but

2714
01:36:16,970 --> 01:36:17,970
not

2715
01:36:19,370 --> 01:36:20,909
somebody's mother morning in this

2716
01:36:20,910 --> 01:36:21,709
community morning.

2717
01:36:21,710 --> 01:36:23,689
So I just want Madison to

2718
01:36:23,690 --> 01:36:25,569
be a little aware and just

2719
01:36:25,570 --> 01:36:26,469
one more thing.

2720
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:28,069
We know that election time is coming

2721
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:29,889
up and this is very, very

2722
01:36:29,890 --> 01:36:30,769
important.

2723
01:36:30,770 --> 01:36:33,489
This is super important to

2724
01:36:33,490 --> 01:36:35,329
you guys, to us, to our

2725
01:36:35,330 --> 01:36:37,549
children, to our future Children.

2726
01:36:37,550 --> 01:36:39,209
We ain't gonna go our way out of

2727
01:36:39,210 --> 01:36:40,189
this.

2728
01:36:40,190 --> 01:36:42,229
The way that we make change is

2729
01:36:42,230 --> 01:36:44,030
that we elect those

2730
01:36:45,559 --> 01:36:46,419
No, no, no.

2731
01:36:46,420 --> 01:36:48,639
I'm just talking real, homie.

2732
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,379
We know that the

2733
01:36:51,380 --> 01:36:53,319
way we make change is changing

2734
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,599
laws. And

2735
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,539
We have to rub apples with those

2736
01:36:57,540 --> 01:36:59,699
who are lawmakers and

2737
01:36:59,700 --> 01:37:01,619
who can really change laws because

2738
01:37:01,620 --> 01:37:03,139
we don't want to live like this.

2739
01:37:03,140 --> 01:37:04,759
We don't wanna go back to where our

2740
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:05,819
parents used to live.

2741
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:07,799
We don't want to,

2742
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:09,759
the racism, there's no place

2743
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,979
for racism in Madison

2744
01:37:11,980 --> 01:37:13,959
or within the Lord.

2745
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,640
So that's where I'm going with it.

2746
01:37:15,641 --> 01:37:16,629
I'm going with it. So we need to

2747
01:37:16,630 --> 01:37:19,529
work, let's work together.

2748
01:37:19,530 --> 01:37:20,629
I, I,

2749
01:37:23,260 --> 01:37:25,299
Let me,

2750
01:37:25,300 --> 01:37:25,520
let me.

2751
01:37:25,521 --> 01:37:26,409
Let me let me just get to her,

2752
01:37:26,410 --> 01:37:27,410
please. Thank you.

2753
01:37:31,059 --> 01:37:32,640
Go ahead, I'll get you graded, I

2754
01:37:32,641 --> 01:37:32,808
promise.

2755
01:37:32,809 --> 01:37:34,829
Between the man that died

2756
01:37:34,830 --> 01:37:36,210
and the officer who shot him, were

2757
01:37:36,211 --> 01:37:37,629
there any previous encounters that

2758
01:37:37,630 --> 01:37:39,029
you had? I do.

2759
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:40,030
I don't know.

2760
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:59,749
My main concern has been

2761
01:37:59,750 --> 01:38:01,808
the cost, given the very

2762
01:38:01,809 --> 01:38:03,229
severe limitations that the state

2763
01:38:03,230 --> 01:38:04,889
puts on our budget.

2764
01:38:04,890 --> 01:38:06,989
I think when we initially

2765
01:38:06,990 --> 01:38:09,069
got the estimates from

2766
01:38:09,070 --> 01:38:10,889
the pilot, there was a

2767
01:38:10,890 --> 01:38:13,109
very large price tag.

2768
01:38:13,110 --> 01:38:14,729
The chief has worked to bring that

2769
01:38:14,730 --> 01:38:17,009
price tag down in various ways,

2770
01:38:17,010 --> 01:38:19,389
so it's really just about

2771
01:38:19,390 --> 01:38:21,369
the state very severely

2772
01:38:21,370 --> 01:38:23,308
limits our budget, both in

2773
01:38:23,309 --> 01:38:25,349
terms of what we can

2774
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:26,430
and what we can spend.

2775
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:29,519
I have to present a balanced budget.

2776
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,359
So I think with it being

2777
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:32,779
at a lower price tag, it's doable.

2778
01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:38,239
The fact is,

2779
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:40,058
even if we get apologies for

2780
01:38:40,059 --> 01:38:42,339
these body cams,

2781
01:38:42,340 --> 01:38:43,699
what is your department gonna do

2782
01:38:43,700 --> 01:38:45,679
when they still murder people in

2783
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:46,680
cold water?

2784
01:38:48,250 --> 01:38:50,689
Body cameras are not a solution,

2785
01:38:50,690 --> 01:38:52,129
they are part of a solution but they

2786
01:38:52,130 --> 01:38:53,599
are not the solution.

2787
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:54,600
What are you going to do?

2788
01:38:56,059 --> 01:38:57,059
Thank you.

2789
01:38:58,670 --> 01:39:00,829
Can you really assure us that police

2790
01:39:00,830 --> 01:39:02,629
fighting will be different and

2791
01:39:02,630 --> 01:39:04,089
changed in order to prevent this

2792
01:39:04,090 --> 01:39:05,090
from ever happening again?

2793
01:39:08,460 --> 01:39:09,779
That's what I mean, they keep saying

2794
01:39:09,780 --> 01:39:11,599
it's a profit, it's just

2795
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,479
too expensive to protect the black

2796
01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:15,058
homeless man from being murdered by

2797
01:39:15,059 --> 01:39:16,339
the police. I have a few other

2798
01:39:16,340 --> 01:39:17,161
questions that I have to answer.

2799
01:39:17,162 --> 01:39:19,109
I'm going to get back here and

2800
01:39:19,110 --> 01:39:21,609
look it. I want to get to the press,

2801
01:39:21,610 --> 01:39:22,769
and I'll stick around as long as you

2802
01:39:22,770 --> 01:39:23,950
want me to, all right?

2803
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:28,589
I already addressed this when I

2804
01:39:28,590 --> 01:39:30,149
stepped out, but what was the extent

2805
01:39:30,150 --> 01:39:32,249
of the officer who shot

2806
01:39:32,250 --> 01:39:33,308
the gun? What was the extend of his

2807
01:39:33,309 --> 01:39:34,819
injuries? Was it a slashing?

2808
01:39:34,820 --> 01:39:36,379
We mentioned that before I don't

2809
01:39:36,380 --> 01:39:38,339
know I don't know I understand

2810
01:39:38,340 --> 01:39:39,519
he was injured.

2811
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,219
I don't know what the injuries look

2812
01:39:41,220 --> 01:39:41,589
like

2813
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:43,409
If that young man had been back,

2814
01:39:43,410 --> 01:39:45,129
you guys pushed that paperwork to

2815
01:39:45,130 --> 01:39:46,949
say we're going to investigate this

2816
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:48,869
as a homicide, why is

2817
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:50,409
those pigs not in jail?

2818
01:39:51,870 --> 01:39:53,929
Your department said, hey,

2819
01:39:53,930 --> 01:39:54,869
this is a homicide.

2820
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:56,409
We're going push this as homicide.

2821
01:39:56,410 --> 01:39:58,109
Why are those people not in jails?

2822
01:39:58,110 --> 01:39:58,749
Answer that question.

2823
01:39:58,750 --> 01:40:00,010
Douglas, look at it.

2824
01:40:00,011 --> 01:40:01,180
They are not in jail.

2825
01:40:02,740 --> 01:40:04,679
What is the reason they are not in

2826
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:05,680
jail, Mr. Patterson?

2827
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:07,939
Douglas?

2828
01:40:07,940 --> 01:40:10,099
Right? It's an independent

2829
01:40:10,100 --> 01:40:12,279
investigation that

2830
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:14,319
I can't tell them in any

2831
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:15,340
aspect what to do.

2832
01:40:15,341 --> 01:40:16,579
If I committed a homicide yesterday,

2833
01:40:16,580 --> 01:40:18,659
Douglas, uh, Mr. Patterson, I mean,

2834
01:40:18,660 --> 01:40:20,639
if I committed a homicide and I

2835
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,279
walked in here today and there were

2836
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:23,799
charges being investigated,

2837
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,239
investigating me for homicide,

2838
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:27,979
where would I be right now, Officer

2839
01:40:27,980 --> 01:40:28,980
Patterson?

2840
01:40:32,230 --> 01:40:33,230
Greg, please, go ahead.

2841
01:40:33,930 --> 01:40:36,289
Question by the gentleman earlier,

2842
01:40:36,290 --> 01:40:38,308
who was asking about multiple shot

2843
01:40:38,309 --> 01:40:40,249
proportionality of force.

2844
01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:41,969
There were recommendations from the

2845
01:40:41,970 --> 01:40:43,789
MPD policy procedure review ad

2846
01:40:43,790 --> 01:40:45,909
hoc committee around force

2847
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:47,429
that had never been implemented by

2848
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:48,369
MPD.

2849
01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:49,789
Those recommendations actually

2850
01:40:49,790 --> 01:40:51,489
originated with then representative

2851
01:40:51,490 --> 01:40:53,449
Chris Taylor, who is now a

2852
01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:54,530
Supreme Court Justice.

2853
01:40:55,670 --> 01:40:57,609
When if ever does MPD expect

2854
01:40:57,610 --> 01:40:58,849
to implement those recommendations

2855
01:40:58,850 --> 01:40:59,669
around use of force?

2856
01:40:59,670 --> 01:41:00,849
I appreciate you asking that

2857
01:41:00,850 --> 01:41:01,850
question, Greg.

2858
01:41:02,910 --> 01:41:04,469
Three years ago, we went through a

2859
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:05,729
strategic planning process.

2860
01:41:05,730 --> 01:41:07,429
We attempted to include all of the

2861
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:09,429
recommendations from both the

2862
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:11,149
OIR group, from the ad hoc committee

2863
01:41:11,150 --> 01:41:13,209
group, from the control center who

2864
01:41:13,210 --> 01:41:15,109
also issued recommendations.

2865
01:41:15,110 --> 01:41:16,949
I understand that

2866
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:18,849
there is some feelings that maybe

2867
01:41:18,850 --> 01:41:20,489
that wasn't done well enough, and

2868
01:41:20,490 --> 01:41:21,629
maybe they weren't reflected well

2869
01:41:21,630 --> 01:41:23,589
enough. We are committed to

2870
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:25,589
working with your office, committed

2871
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:27,249
to work with PCOB, committed to

2872
01:41:27,250 --> 01:41:28,929
working with the entire community.

2873
01:41:28,930 --> 01:41:30,929
To bring those recommendations back,

2874
01:41:30,930 --> 01:41:32,209
review what's been done, review what

2875
01:41:32,210 --> 01:41:33,349
needs to happen.

2876
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:34,589
If there's reasons why they can't

2877
01:41:34,590 --> 01:41:36,249
happen, I need to respond to that

2878
01:41:36,250 --> 01:41:38,129
and explain why if that

2879
01:41:38,130 --> 01:41:39,189
hasn't been done.

2880
01:41:39,190 --> 01:41:40,539
It will happen.

2881
01:41:40,540 --> 01:41:42,659
Like with it can't

2882
01:41:42,660 --> 01:41:43,499
happen there was a lot of law

2883
01:41:43,500 --> 01:41:45,379
enforcement inputs like over

2884
01:41:45,380 --> 01:41:47,459
a period of years So the

2885
01:41:47,460 --> 01:41:49,058
the can't-happen is questionable.

2886
01:41:49,059 --> 01:41:51,019
I do I understand willingness

2887
01:41:51,020 --> 01:41:52,439
to work with I am absolutely willing

2888
01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:53,179
to do that great

2889
01:41:53,180 --> 01:41:55,379
Mr. Patterson, we know that

2890
01:41:55,380 --> 01:41:57,699
the police department gets a

2891
01:41:57,700 --> 01:41:59,720
huge amount of funding.

2892
01:42:01,180 --> 01:42:02,219
We know that.

2893
01:42:02,220 --> 01:42:04,399
We know you work

2894
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,219
with community leaders,

2895
01:42:06,220 --> 01:42:07,459
your organization works with

2896
01:42:07,460 --> 01:42:09,639
community leaders here in Madison.

2897
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,469
But unfortunately...

2898
01:42:11,470 --> 01:42:13,029
And not just a murder that happened

2899
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:15,129
yesterday, even murders

2900
01:42:15,130 --> 01:42:16,209
around the city.

2901
01:42:16,210 --> 01:42:18,229
We know that you guys

2902
01:42:18,230 --> 01:42:21,149
invest a large amount of money into,

2903
01:42:21,150 --> 01:42:22,429
let's talk, nonprofits.

2904
01:42:22,430 --> 01:42:24,329
We know you invest a lot

2905
01:42:24,330 --> 01:42:25,429
into churches.

2906
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:27,029
We know, that you invest into a lot

2907
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:29,129
of, what

2908
01:42:29,130 --> 01:42:30,909
do they call them, sororities.

2909
01:42:30,910 --> 01:42:33,629
We know all of this funding,

2910
01:42:33,630 --> 01:42:35,789
we know that

2911
01:42:35,790 --> 01:42:37,929
a lot this funding goes

2912
01:42:37,930 --> 01:42:39,889
towards programs

2913
01:42:39,890 --> 01:42:41,329
through nonprofits.

2914
01:42:41,330 --> 01:42:42,330
Okay, we know that.

2915
01:42:43,309 --> 01:42:45,289
What we're, what I'm asking here

2916
01:42:45,290 --> 01:42:47,469
is that open

2917
01:42:47,470 --> 01:42:48,449
the Verizon.

2918
01:42:48,450 --> 01:42:50,129
We have, we have other community

2919
01:42:50,130 --> 01:42:52,009
leaders. We have other folks

2920
01:42:52,010 --> 01:42:53,909
who work with children,

2921
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:56,989
sit them at the table,

2922
01:42:56,990 --> 01:42:58,609
look at their programs.

2923
01:42:58,610 --> 01:43:00,308
Let's see what's working and what's

2924
01:43:00,309 --> 01:43:01,909
not working. If we continue to

2925
01:43:01,910 --> 01:43:03,549
invest our money into what's now

2926
01:43:03,550 --> 01:43:05,389
working, it is a losing battle

2927
01:43:05,390 --> 01:43:07,069
all the way.

2928
01:43:07,070 --> 01:43:09,229
So what I, what are requesting is

2929
01:43:09,230 --> 01:43:11,109
that, you know,

2930
01:43:11,110 --> 01:43:13,808
let's open up to this community,

2931
01:43:13,809 --> 01:43:15,949
let's see what can work.

2932
01:43:15,950 --> 01:43:18,009
Give it a chance, because it's

2933
01:43:18,010 --> 01:43:19,308
not working.

2934
01:43:19,309 --> 01:43:20,229
It's not work.

2935
01:43:20,230 --> 01:43:22,149
It hasn't worked for a very long

2936
01:43:22,150 --> 01:43:23,509
time. Thank you.

2937
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:24,609
Do you want to take a pass?

2938
01:43:24,610 --> 01:43:25,749
I'm going to say something.

2939
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:27,629
Because the answer to my

2940
01:43:27,630 --> 01:43:30,409
question, you guys, is imperialism,

2941
01:43:30,410 --> 01:43:32,429
which is the absolute structure

2942
01:43:32,430 --> 01:43:34,389
of why this pig

2943
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:35,808
will go free.

2944
01:43:35,809 --> 01:43:37,369
And we have to attack that.

2945
01:43:37,370 --> 01:43:39,089
Any other questions about funding

2946
01:43:39,090 --> 01:43:41,189
another nonprofit is

2947
01:43:41,190 --> 01:43:42,929
us being bamboozled.

2948
01:43:42,930 --> 01:43:44,629
We've got to attack imperialism or

2949
01:43:44,630 --> 01:43:45,719
we will get no results.

2950
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:47,719
Can we actually

2951
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:49,939
answer that question why

2952
01:43:49,940 --> 01:43:51,819
that officer, just to

2953
01:43:51,820 --> 01:43:53,759
be clear, did the, did

2954
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,999
you recommend that the

2955
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,579
investigation is handled as a

2956
01:43:57,580 --> 01:43:59,040
homicide or was that homicide?

2957
01:43:59,041 --> 01:44:01,319
This is this is an open homicide

2958
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,219
investigation period we

2959
01:44:03,220 --> 01:44:05,019
asked for the criminal investigation

2960
01:44:05,020 --> 01:44:06,899
Okay, so with that

2961
01:44:06,900 --> 01:44:09,099
being said, why isn't

2962
01:44:09,100 --> 01:44:10,299
that gentleman arrested?

2963
01:44:12,650 --> 01:44:13,710
Again

2964
01:44:15,980 --> 01:44:17,839
No, just say it because

2965
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:19,879
he was a police officer, and he's

2966
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,339
being protected by imperialism,

2967
01:44:22,340 --> 01:44:24,459
and imperialism is the policies that

2968
01:44:24,460 --> 01:44:25,799
protect these fields, I'm sorry.

2969
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:27,639
If that is what it is,

2970
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:29,159
then just tell us.

2971
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,259
You're hiding behind- I'm not

2972
01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:32,260
looking.

2973
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:34,999
I've never seen a

2974
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:36,759
civilian- Quiet, quiet.

2975
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:38,000
On a homicide

2976
01:44:39,970 --> 01:44:41,889
Clyde, I am not hiding behind this.

2977
01:44:41,890 --> 01:44:43,449
This is our process in front of us

2978
01:44:43,450 --> 01:44:46,269
that we have to follow by state law.

2979
01:44:46,270 --> 01:44:48,169
If you don't like process,

2980
01:44:48,170 --> 01:44:50,169
it's a state law that we then need

2981
01:44:50,170 --> 01:44:51,549
to all collectively come around.

2982
01:44:51,550 --> 01:44:52,550
I'm sorry. It is.

2983
01:44:59,270 --> 01:45:01,189
I absolutely can

2984
01:45:01,190 --> 01:45:03,109
say with a hundred percent certainty

2985
01:45:03,110 --> 01:45:05,089
that I

2986
01:45:05,090 --> 01:45:09,369
know well

2987
01:45:09,370 --> 01:45:10,450
not What? Not ev-

2988
01:45:10,451 --> 01:45:11,409
well not every police officer has

2989
01:45:11,410 --> 01:45:12,410
that background

2990
01:45:13,290 --> 01:45:15,669
many of us do

2991
01:45:15,670 --> 01:45:17,669
all of us have a level of

2992
01:45:17,670 --> 01:45:19,389
crisis intervention training some

2993
01:45:19,390 --> 01:45:21,349
officers have far greater levels if

2994
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:22,709
they're members of our mental health

2995
01:45:22,710 --> 01:45:24,289
unit if they are mental health

2996
01:45:24,290 --> 01:45:26,009
liaisons they have elevated

2997
01:45:27,150 --> 01:45:29,269
it absolutely is standard and

2998
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:31,509
if we need to expand it that's

2999
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:33,989
when i promised you action

3000
01:45:33,990 --> 01:45:36,429
in a review of policy and training

3001
01:45:36,430 --> 01:45:37,829
response that includes everything

3002
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:39,539
it's not just use of force.

3003
01:45:39,540 --> 01:45:41,039
We will look at everything.

3004
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:42,679
We will try to garner as many

3005
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:43,780
lessons as we can on this one.

3006
01:45:43,781 --> 01:45:45,219
I don't know if we are sexual

3007
01:45:45,220 --> 01:45:47,659
offenders anyway, but it's like,

3008
01:45:47,660 --> 01:45:48,879
yeah, let's say it.

3009
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:50,659
Let's put it out there, and there's

3010
01:45:50,660 --> 01:45:51,499
plenty of them.

3011
01:45:51,500 --> 01:45:52,740
But we don't trust y'all, so what

3012
01:45:52,741 --> 01:45:54,399
we're trying to see is where is this

3013
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:55,579
going, what are we gonna have to do

3014
01:45:55,580 --> 01:45:57,299
to make changes before there be

3015
01:45:57,300 --> 01:45:58,739
bloodshed on this fucking country

3016
01:45:58,740 --> 01:46:00,479
more than it already is?

3017
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:02,439
Because when people start,

3018
01:46:02,440 --> 01:46:03,859
you know, don't give a fuck about

3019
01:46:03,860 --> 01:46:05,639
life, when they really numb the fuck

3020
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:07,179
out and they start coming to blow up

3021
01:46:07,180 --> 01:46:08,899
buildings like this, what the fuck

3022
01:46:08,900 --> 01:46:10,659
you gonna do then?

3023
01:46:10,660 --> 01:46:11,699
Please tell me.

3024
01:46:11,700 --> 01:46:13,379
Because it's gonna happen.

3025
01:46:14,690 --> 01:46:16,889
And how can we

3026
01:46:16,890 --> 01:46:19,109
ensure that the VCOV,

3027
01:46:19,110 --> 01:46:21,069
an independent monitor,

3028
01:46:21,070 --> 01:46:22,808
is not attacked by the police

3029
01:46:22,809 --> 01:46:24,808
department? I have sat back

3030
01:46:24,809 --> 01:46:27,249
and watched the abuse that

3031
01:46:27,250 --> 01:46:29,509
this individual

3032
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:32,109
and their program has endured.

3033
01:46:32,110 --> 01:46:33,329
And we need to kill.

3034
01:46:33,330 --> 01:46:34,279
That needs to stop.

3035
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:36,558
Sabrina and the mayor left.

3036
01:46:36,559 --> 01:46:39,119
Like, I need you as

3037
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,359
my chief to

3038
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:42,439
kill that noise.

3039
01:46:42,440 --> 01:46:43,759
That needs to stop.

3040
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,339
Like, there needs to be transparency

3041
01:46:46,340 --> 01:46:48,699
with the enemy in the monitor.

3042
01:46:48,700 --> 01:46:50,659
The disrespect to this black

3043
01:46:50,660 --> 01:46:52,759
woman needs to stopped.

3044
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,079
Like, we can't get anywhere where

3045
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:57,479
the pettiness is thriving.

3046
01:46:57,480 --> 01:46:58,959
Like, and I've seen it.

3047
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:00,619
And I'm not even sitting at this

3048
01:47:00,620 --> 01:47:01,999
table or that table.

3049
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,999
I've watched the videos,

3050
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,979
but. These people are trying to

3051
01:47:05,980 --> 01:47:07,639
help you guys and they're not being

3052
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:08,939
treated as partners, they're being

3053
01:47:08,940 --> 01:47:10,799
treated as your opposition and

3054
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:11,960
we need that to stop.

3055
01:47:17,180 --> 01:47:18,679
All right.

3056
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,919
I hope that

3057
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:22,799
my history, frankly, that

3058
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,839
you are somewhat familiar

3059
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:26,939
with, carries a little

3060
01:47:26,940 --> 01:47:27,879
weight.

3061
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:29,699
I have tried, and I

3062
01:47:29,700 --> 01:47:31,499
will continue to try, to do

3063
01:47:31,500 --> 01:47:33,558
everything I can to collaborate with

3064
01:47:33,559 --> 01:47:35,619
Arameek, with Greg, with the

3065
01:47:35,620 --> 01:47:37,819
office, with PCOB.

3066
01:47:37,820 --> 01:47:38,799
I think it's important.

3067
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:40,499
I believe in community input.

3068
01:47:40,500 --> 01:47:41,699
I think communities should have a

3069
01:47:41,700 --> 01:47:43,039
say in what justice looks like in

3070
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,058
their neighborhood. That includes

3071
01:47:45,059 --> 01:47:46,919
the PCOB, that includes

3072
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:48,129
the OIM.

3073
01:47:48,130 --> 01:47:50,109
It includes all the

3074
01:47:50,110 --> 01:47:51,569
other organizations that she was

3075
01:47:51,570 --> 01:47:52,889
talking about.

3076
01:47:52,890 --> 01:47:54,030
No, no, I'm not saying it.

3077
01:47:54,031 --> 01:47:54,259
No, no, I'm not seeing it.

3078
01:47:54,260 --> 01:47:56,179
Are you willing to hear what

3079
01:47:56,180 --> 01:47:58,679
she needs to have happen immediately

3080
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:00,859
for that relationship to even begin

3081
01:48:00,860 --> 01:48:02,199
and from Greg?

3082
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:03,379
Like, can we give them to the...

3083
01:48:03,380 --> 01:48:04,260
I'm always willing to...

3084
01:48:04,261 --> 01:48:05,519
I am always willing to meet with

3085
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:06,959
them and talk with them, yes.

3086
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,779
So I just want to say that

3087
01:48:08,780 --> 01:48:10,939
folks need time to get over

3088
01:48:10,940 --> 01:48:12,499
to the vigil, and I just wanna honor

3089
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:14,239
that. We do have families coming

3090
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:15,319
out, so I just wanted to make sure

3091
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:16,439
the community is over there

3092
01:48:16,440 --> 01:48:17,439
supporting.

3093
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:19,299
Chief and assistant chief has said

3094
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:21,280
that they will try to come out,

3095
01:48:22,420 --> 01:48:24,419
and if you could just take off the

3096
01:48:24,420 --> 01:48:25,619
shirt, you know, do whatever you

3097
01:48:25,620 --> 01:48:27,419
gotta do.

3098
01:48:27,420 --> 01:48:29,419
And because you guys have requested

3099
01:48:29,420 --> 01:48:31,319
that and willing to answer

3100
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:32,459
questions.

3101
01:48:32,460 --> 01:48:33,759
So I just want to make sure

3102
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,058
everybody has enough time and just

3103
01:48:35,059 --> 01:48:36,599
wanted to remind the community of

3104
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:37,619
that.

3105
01:48:37,620 --> 01:48:38,799
I got one question.

3106
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:40,279
We know that homeless is Willie.

3107
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:41,839
Willie Street is homelessness.

3108
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,199
I've dealt with the homeless during

3109
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,219
COVID up

3110
01:48:46,220 --> 01:48:47,319
until today.

3111
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,099
We know that Willie Street, is where

3112
01:48:49,100 --> 01:48:51,239
a lot of homeless people reside.

3113
01:48:52,340 --> 01:48:53,619
It's just the way it is.

3114
01:48:53,620 --> 01:48:54,999
That's where they get most of their

3115
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:56,459
assistance. Willie street is a

3116
01:48:56,460 --> 01:48:58,119
special street.

3117
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:00,539
Have your have your police been

3118
01:49:00,540 --> 01:49:02,459
trained to deal with

3119
01:49:02,460 --> 01:49:04,319
not only homelessness, but

3120
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,359
mental health.

3121
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:08,319
Homelessness people, because we know

3122
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,719
that, unfortunately, that

3123
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,159
they're being harmed at

3124
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:15,769
the hands of the police and

3125
01:49:15,770 --> 01:49:17,829
A lot of it has to do with

3126
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:20,469
having no one to

3127
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:22,129
be there or back them up.

3128
01:49:22,130 --> 01:49:23,909
But this community, that's all they

3129
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:26,489
have is this community.

3130
01:49:26,490 --> 01:49:28,569
So I think that they need to be

3131
01:49:28,570 --> 01:49:30,369
trained on really how to deal with

3132
01:49:30,370 --> 01:49:31,589
the mental health and the

3133
01:49:31,590 --> 01:49:33,709
homelessness because we know that's

3134
01:49:33,710 --> 01:49:35,469
what Willie Street is.

3135
01:49:35,470 --> 01:49:37,069
That's where they reside.

3136
01:49:37,070 --> 01:49:38,389
And better I continue to end

3137
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:39,729
homelessness, especially because

3138
01:49:39,730 --> 01:49:41,330
we're having so many people in the

3139
01:49:41,331 --> 01:49:43,009
world. It's a new prison extension

3140
01:49:43,010 --> 01:49:44,989
that has more cells

3141
01:49:44,990 --> 01:49:46,889
than we do have actively homeless

3142
01:49:46,890 --> 01:49:49,389
people in Madison, okay?

3143
01:49:49,390 --> 01:49:50,449
There wouldn't have been a mental

3144
01:49:50,450 --> 01:49:51,689
health crisis if people just had a

3145
01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:52,609
fucking home.

3146
01:49:52,610 --> 01:49:54,449
I was like briefly homeless in

3147
01:49:54,450 --> 01:49:55,989
Colick for like a week and it was

3148
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:56,849
stressful as fuck.

3149
01:49:56,850 --> 01:49:58,269
If I were on the street like

3150
01:49:58,270 --> 01:50:00,669
permanently, I would be like so

3151
01:50:00,670 --> 01:50:01,769
unwell.

3152
01:50:01,770 --> 01:50:02,839
It's insane. It's so unwell, it's
insane.

3153
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:04,199
It's terrible.

3154
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:05,239
It's true.

3155
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:07,339
And let's talk about the huge police

3156
01:50:07,340 --> 01:50:08,340
budget.

3157
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:13,500
Lady said

3158
01:50:13,501 --> 01:50:14,539
Chief, your officer in a PCOE meeting
said that they would

3159
01:50:14,540 --> 01:50:16,479
not ticket homeless people

3160
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:18,899
because of existing on the street.

3161
01:50:18,900 --> 01:50:20,739
And yet, on Willie Street, we are

3162
01:50:20,740 --> 01:50:22,899
seeing your homeless neighborhood

3163
01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:24,939
officers ticketing

3164
01:50:24,940 --> 01:50:26,759
homeless people for existing

3165
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:27,760
in state homeless.

3166
01:50:28,690 --> 01:50:31,949
I don't know the details of that,

3167
01:50:31,950 --> 01:50:32,929
but you know we're committed to

3168
01:50:32,930 --> 01:50:34,509
doing a restorative discussion with

3169
01:50:34,510 --> 01:50:35,289
the SJC.

3170
01:50:35,290 --> 01:50:37,449
I don't know the detail, so I

3171
01:50:37,450 --> 01:50:39,549
can't comment on specific

3172
01:50:39,550 --> 01:50:40,279
instances.

3173
01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:41,280
Your officers

3174
01:50:42,690 --> 01:50:44,649
We are we are trying

3175
01:50:44,650 --> 01:50:45,650
to

3176
01:51:05,230 --> 01:51:07,049
There to my knowledge there was

3177
01:51:07,050 --> 01:51:08,869
a call. We would not have responded

3178
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:10,949
if there was not a call DCI

3179
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:11,290
Clyde Clyde

3180
01:51:11,291 --> 01:51:16,289
quite quite because

3181
01:51:16,290 --> 01:51:18,229
that is a big part of where

3182
01:51:18,230 --> 01:51:22,669
I am at right now so

3183
01:51:22,670 --> 01:51:23,309
what they need to do

3184
01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:24,199
So what they need to do is not only
look

3185
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,319
at that call that I've referenced,

3186
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:27,959
but look at the other calls where

3187
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:30,399
there was similar description and

3188
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:32,239
see if this is in fact the same

3189
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:33,199
individual.

3190
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:34,199
That's all part of their

3191
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:35,959
investigation and that will all be

3192
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:38,019
hopefully included in

3193
01:51:38,020 --> 01:51:39,109
their report.

3194
01:51:39,110 --> 01:51:40,569
Chief, you mentioned the other day

3195
01:51:40,570 --> 01:51:42,169
at the press conference that as far

3196
01:51:42,170 --> 01:51:43,549
as you know, the officer was a

3197
01:51:43,550 --> 01:51:45,169
veteran officer.

3198
01:51:45,170 --> 01:51:46,629
Could you give a little bit more

3199
01:51:46,630 --> 01:51:48,269
details on how long they've been on

3200
01:51:48,270 --> 01:51:49,769
the force, whether or not they had a

3201
01:51:49,770 --> 01:51:51,589
supervisor role, and also

3202
01:51:51,590 --> 01:51:53,649
whether or not there's any

3203
01:51:53,650 --> 01:51:55,949
complaint or disciplinary history?

3204
01:51:55,950 --> 01:51:57,729
I don't have that information.

3205
01:51:57,730 --> 01:51:59,849
He is a veteran officer, multiple

3206
01:51:59,850 --> 01:52:01,869
years. I don't know exactly

3207
01:52:01,870 --> 01:52:03,249
his tenure.

3208
01:52:03,250 --> 01:52:04,709
Not a supervisor is what I can tell

3209
01:52:04,710 --> 01:52:05,839
you.

3210
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:06,779
11.

3211
01:52:06,780 --> 01:52:08,459
Thank you.

3212
01:52:08,460 --> 01:52:10,250
Thank you, correct.

3213
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:12,830
All right.