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Along with the weather, the heat is

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also on in Wisconsin's primary

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election campaigns with just about

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six weeks to go before

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the August 11 run-offs.

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There are congressional races, like

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in the seventh and third districts

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to watch, and the race for governor,

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where six Democrats are still vying

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to be chosen to take on the

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leading Republican in the race.

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As the campaigns heat up, we turn

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to political panelists, Republican

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Bill McCoshin and Democrat Scott

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Ross. Thanks for being here, guys.

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Thanks for having us.

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So first to you, Scott, with

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absentee ballots going out and now

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being arguably into the final

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stretch, who is breaking through

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on the Democratic side

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for candidates for governor and

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why?

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I mean, it seems like it still could

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be anybody's ball game.

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There's a lot of spending going on

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right now. I guess if, you know,

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they say it's not a sprint, it's

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a marathon, but we have crossed the

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20-mile marker, and

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we're getting to the point where

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people are going to have to start

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making up their minds about who

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their candidate is going to be.

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I think the Democrats have an

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embarrassment of riches.

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I think they are fighting, you now,

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they're running downhill because

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the Republicans are so

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in trouble because of the record of

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Donald Trump and the fact that their

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nominee, Tom Tiffany, is a radical

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extremist who is completely and

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totally tied to Trump in every

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single way.

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So Bill, do you want to respond to

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that?

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I don't agree that there's it's

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anybody's ballgame one is already

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dropped out missy hughes uh...

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I wouldn't be surprised if two more

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dropped out in july we got thirty

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eight days to go i think

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it's really three people are

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seriously in contention to win this

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it's francesca hong uh...

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Legislator for madison andella

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barnes former lieutenant governor

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and current lieutenant governor

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brought sir rodriguez i think i

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think those are the only three who

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have a legitimate shot to win at

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this point based on all the polling.

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We will have a new Marquette poll

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out in about 10 days here in

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Wisconsin. That'll sort of give

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everyone the picture of where things

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are at.

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But what we know from private polls

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and some other publicly released

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polls is those are the top three.

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And Hong is the one that's surging

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at this point.

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Speaking of Francesca Hong,

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Scott, what democratic strategists

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make of democratic socialists?

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I mean, listen, for the last 50

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years, when a Democratic elected

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wants to spend money that's not on

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tax cuts for rich people or

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corporations, Bill's party calls

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them socialists.

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They call them welfare. They call

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the worse. I mean for God's sakes,

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they were calling his old boss Tommy

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Thompson's signature achievement,

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badger care here in Wisconsin

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welfare. That's what the speaker of

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the assembly was calling it.

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So you know, we're a big tent.

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And the fact is, is that when

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it comes to people's...

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Expenses, when it comes to gas

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prices, Republicans are a failure

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for Wisconsinites, a failure for

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America. And that's why Democrats

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are going to win this election in

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the fall, not because of labels that

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Republicans have been putting on us

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for 50 years anyhow.

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Republicans are putting that label

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on her?

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owning it and and proudly

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owning it. And I think that's

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actually worked to Francesca Hong's

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advantage. I mean she's gone on

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national podcasts with a guy named

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Hassan Piker who's got several

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million followers and she raised a

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hundred grand in one day.

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Why? She's the boldest

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progressive in the race.

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She's willing to say what

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others are not willing to and she's

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willing to be a democratic

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socialist.

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her for that.

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I can guarantee you Tom Tiffany's

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gonna contrast with her if she ends

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up getting through the primary 38

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days.

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I mean, Tiffany's been attacking

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Barnes and Hong the

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entirety of his campaign.

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But, you know, let's not kid

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ourselves. Tom Tiffany was on a

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podcast last week with a book burner

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who says that foreign governments

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are turning our kids trans.

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So like, if we want to talk about

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the Internet and who is appearing on

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Internet things, I think that's a

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fight that Democrats...

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Democrats in the Congress who have

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signed up to sort of fight the

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Democratic Socialists.

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That's less than 10% of the

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Democratic members of the House of

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a tough line to hoe

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right now for Democrats.

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They're not sure if they should be

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with the Socialists, guys like J.B.

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Pritzker have come out in favor,

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said we need more Socialists in our

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party. That's stunning to me.

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I think the thing you think about

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that is that All the candidates

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who are calling themselves

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democratic socialists and the ones

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who have been elected are all

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younger, they're all millennials.

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They're all ones who are staring up,

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standing up to the gerontocracy that

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is the democratic party with our 75

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year old Senate majority leader, you

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know, Senate minority leader Chuck

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Schumer. So I think it's, you know

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ideologically, Democrats are all

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in the same camp, which is

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we want fully funded schools, we

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want access to affordable

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healthcare, we wanna protect our

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clean air and water, we want our

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civil liberties and we don't want

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ICE Gestapo, you now, disappearing

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38 people in Wisconsin

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yesterday.

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I would sum his up in two words,

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they want bold progressivism, and

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that's why Hong's in the game.

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Eight years ago when Tony Evers won

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this primary with 42%, by the way,

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the winner of this will not come

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close to that number.

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She would have been a fringe

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candidate. Today she's got a chance

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to win it.

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So Bill, who would Tom Tiffany most

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want as a general election opponent

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and who would he be afraid of?

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I think he would have been more

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concerned about those that are not

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going to make it to the finish line,

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believe it or not.

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I think Democrats decided that the

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sort of more moderate who

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can appeal to trade union guys

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or sort of the moderate old school

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Democrats, they're not going make it

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the finish line in this race.

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we've both agreed are sort of in

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the front of the pack are pretty

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progressive and that's a good

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contrast for Tiffany.

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So I don't think he has a problem

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with any of the three top

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tier candidates.

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Tom Tiffany's biggest problem is not

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who he's going to face, but the fact

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that he's on the ballot at all.

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This is a guy who took money, he

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took food out of the mouths of

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children to give billionaires tax

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breaks. He wants a national abortion

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ban. He took $300 billion

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from rural health care.

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hospitals are closing, you can thank

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Tom Tiffany for that.

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$2 billion payoff for the January

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insurrectionists.

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out of touch with where Wisconsin

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folks are, especially now when

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prices are higher than they've ever

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been, gas prices are a higher than

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they'd ever been because of the war

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choice in Iran, and the fact that

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Trump is making billions of dollars

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while people can't afford food.

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a sitting congressman in this cycle,

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there's no question about that.

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But I think Tom Tiffany can easily

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make the contrast between common

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sense and crazy, and I think most

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Wisconsin voters will side with

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common sense.

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He's trying to make over.

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It's not going to work. He scrubbed

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his website before he got in the

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race, and he can't

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hide from his record.

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He can't run from it. As much as he

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ducks the media, he cannot run from.

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So, Bill, in the third and

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seventh congressional races,

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will Donald Trump's endorsement

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carry the day, of course, in a

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primary, presumably, but in the

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general?

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were not changed.

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These are the same ones that we've

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run on for the last couple of

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cycles, which means Derek Van

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Orden should be considered the

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favorite, he's the incumbent.

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whomever comes out of the primary in

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38 days, should be the favorite in

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the seventh.

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I think Donald Trump is going

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to help Derek VanOrden.

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I think he's gonna be in Western

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Wisconsin once or twice, I think JD

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Vance will be.

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I think, Donald Trump.

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Will ultimately help in the

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seventh, but I think they also don't

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wanna have to spend too many

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resources up there.

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That's kind of a messy primary,

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which is unfortunate on our

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side, between Kevin Hermaning,

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former Iranian hostage and

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successful businessman and

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young man, Michael Alfonso,

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who did get the president's

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endorsement.

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My hope is that Republicans sort

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of put down their arms and stop the

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circular firing squad that's going

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on on that, because I think either

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would be ultimately a great

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congressperson.

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But right now, it's pretty messy

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for the Republicans.

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Scott, what do the next six weeks

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look like in these races?

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I think the next six weeks are in

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the third and in the seventh or day.

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I think you're going to see

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Republicans ducking the media.

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Derrick Van Orten is just terrified

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of going before any sort of camera,

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you know, that's not some right-wing

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podcaster.

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I think that he is the one who is in

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the most trouble.

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You know, whoever comes out of the

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primary, and obviously, there's

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Rebecca Cook, who has a massive

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fundraising advantage, and Emily

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Berg, who's the

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councilman up in Eau Claire.

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I think either one of them contrasts

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great.

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Against the record of Derek

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Van Orton. I mean, he's been, you

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know, if Tom Tiffany wasn't in

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Congress, he'd be our most extremist

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member of Congress.

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So I think that he's got a lot of,

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he's gotta lot to answer for, and

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I think the voters are gonna hold

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him accountable for that.

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All right, we need to leave it

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there. We'll circle back with

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you both before the primary and

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after, of course.

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Bill McCroshen and Scott Ross.

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Thank you, thanks for having us

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Um, no, it's OK.

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But the way you guys did at

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the conventions with Zach, that

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would be so fun.

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Yeah. Just like.

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We should do it. We should think

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about that.

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We could do that.

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Yeah, yeah, of course you could.

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Summer? I want to go in September,

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but I don't, I don t.

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It's sort of up to my wife kind of.

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I'm kind of trying to be

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responsible, be a better husband,

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be the best husband.