1 00:00:00,030 --> 00:00:02,249 Why don't we start out with 2 00:00:02,250 --> 00:00:04,509 the kids with kids and 3 00:00:04,510 --> 00:00:06,029 Rhinelander? Is that where that took 4 00:00:06,030 --> 00:00:07,489 place when you talked about 5 00:00:07,490 --> 00:00:08,150 everybody? Yeah. 6 00:00:08,151 --> 00:00:10,599 Yeah, we were there. 7 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,619 Well that story at 8 00:00:12,620 --> 00:00:14,519 Rhinelander with the family begins 9 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,119 in 1971 10 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,939 when I began teaching 11 00:00:18,940 --> 00:00:20,579 at the Rhinelanders School of the 12 00:00:20,580 --> 00:00:22,479 Arts and I taught there 13 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,339 for some 32 years 14 00:00:24,340 --> 00:00:26,339 and our kids were 15 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:28,399 something like seven eight and 16 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,299 nine when we started going 17 00:00:30,300 --> 00:00:32,839 there in 1971 And 18 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,899 as they got older and 19 00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:36,979 grew up and had jobs and 20 00:00:36,980 --> 00:00:38,919 eventually married Ruth and 21 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,719 I were there alone for several years 22 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,699 while I was teaching, but then in 23 00:00:42,700 --> 00:00:43,779 2002, 24 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:47,259 I think it was my daughter Susan 25 00:00:47,260 --> 00:00:49,919 said, well, wouldn't it be fun if 26 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,759 we brought our 27 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,399 spouses and our kids to 28 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,299 Rhinelander to experience what 29 00:00:56,300 --> 00:00:58,419 we experienced as kids? 30 00:00:58,420 --> 00:01:00,339 And so that's what we did. 31 00:01:00,340 --> 00:01:02,219 And starting in 2002 and 32 00:01:02,220 --> 00:01:03,720 still today, 33 00:01:04,860 --> 00:01:07,229 16 years later, 34 00:01:07,230 --> 00:01:10,129 We are still doing that. 35 00:01:10,130 --> 00:01:12,389 For many years at Rhinelander, 36 00:01:12,390 --> 00:01:14,509 and then as the 37 00:01:14,510 --> 00:01:16,669 kids and the grandkids' jobs 38 00:01:16,670 --> 00:01:18,929 demanded that they be 39 00:01:18,930 --> 00:01:20,769 closer to Madison, 40 00:01:20,770 --> 00:01:21,830 where several of them were working, 41 00:01:22,910 --> 00:01:23,910 we started, 42 00:01:24,770 --> 00:01:25,969 we left Rhineland. 43 00:01:25,970 --> 00:01:27,849 And one year we were at Watomo, 44 00:01:27,850 --> 00:01:29,749 another year we're at Channel Lakes 45 00:01:29,750 --> 00:01:30,750 near Wapaka. 46 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:34,459 We discovered in bringing the 47 00:01:34,460 --> 00:01:35,559 family together, and there's 48 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,499 something like 15 of us when we're 49 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:39,959 all together, grandkids, 50 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:41,939 now two great grandkids 51 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:43,959 coming from Colorado 52 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:45,639 and Minnesota and all over 53 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,539 Wisconsin, it's a way 54 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:49,519 to bring the family together 55 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,699 in a way that we 56 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:54,059 could never have anticipated. 57 00:01:54,060 --> 00:01:56,119 And water was a key to it, 58 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,199 being on a lake where 59 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,199 they could fish and water 60 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,259 ski. 61 00:02:01,260 --> 00:02:03,439 And just sit and 62 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,179 watch the water. 63 00:02:05,180 --> 00:02:07,039 And what's interesting, sometimes 64 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,939 we think that the kids and the 65 00:02:08,940 --> 00:02:10,399 grandkids want to be busy all the 66 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,559 time doing things. 67 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,559 But every so often, I catch one 68 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,999 of them, sometimes several of them 69 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,299 just sitting by themselves 70 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:19,319 watching the water, 71 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,359 so water has been 72 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,379 the glue, if that makes 73 00:02:23,380 --> 00:02:25,299 sense, in bringing the 74 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:27,059 family together, which we do once a 75 00:02:27,060 --> 00:02:29,219 year for a 76 00:02:29,220 --> 00:02:30,659 week or more. 77 00:02:30,660 --> 00:02:32,999 And it has been absolutely 78 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,419 wonderful. 79 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:36,339 We rent a boat, so those who want to 80 00:02:36,340 --> 00:02:38,399 water ski can do that. 81 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,279 This year, when we were at 82 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,299 Chano Lakes this past year in 83 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:44,219 Wapaka, the most 84 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:46,719 fun thing the kids did was 85 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:47,499 kayaking. 86 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:49,399 They were four kayaks, and they were 87 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,739 out exploring. 88 00:02:50,740 --> 00:02:51,779 And they would come back. 89 00:02:51,780 --> 00:02:53,399 These are the grandkids now with 90 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,899 stories about what they had seen. 91 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:57,719 The big blue herons and 92 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,559 the... And the fish 93 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,379 that they had seen, and the water 94 00:03:01,380 --> 00:03:03,179 plants, and it was like they were 95 00:03:03,180 --> 00:03:04,919 discovering all of the, it probably 96 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:06,299 was for the first time, some of 97 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:08,859 them. So it was a great satisfaction 98 00:03:08,860 --> 00:03:10,819 that we've had, my wife 99 00:03:10,820 --> 00:03:12,659 Ruth and I, 100 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:15,299 in bringing the family together. 101 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:17,319 And we hope that that will continue 102 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,929 for some years ahead. 103 00:03:19,930 --> 00:03:21,489 Do you think you look at your 104 00:03:21,490 --> 00:03:23,569 grandkids differently 105 00:03:23,570 --> 00:03:24,889 than you looked at your kids? 106 00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:28,869 I don't think so. 107 00:03:28,870 --> 00:03:30,110 But that's an interesting question. 108 00:03:31,310 --> 00:03:32,809 Either consciously or sometimes 109 00:03:32,810 --> 00:03:34,669 unconsciously, I was intent 110 00:03:34,670 --> 00:03:36,489 that my kids 111 00:03:36,490 --> 00:03:38,469 appreciate the outdoors, 112 00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:40,509 that they appreciate nature, 113 00:03:40,510 --> 00:03:42,489 that the appreciate the quiet 114 00:03:42,490 --> 00:03:45,469 that goes with being outdoors. 115 00:03:45,470 --> 00:03:46,709 I did that with my kids. 116 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:48,250 I'm doing that with my grandkids. 117 00:03:49,410 --> 00:03:51,329 Maybe I'm more of it with my 118 00:03:51,330 --> 00:03:53,089 grandkids, I've got more time to do 119 00:03:53,090 --> 00:03:54,269 it because I'm... 120 00:03:54,270 --> 00:03:56,349 I don't have a nine to five job 121 00:03:56,350 --> 00:03:58,289 to go to, but 122 00:03:58,290 --> 00:04:00,289 that's 123 00:04:00,290 --> 00:04:02,209 been my intention and I try 124 00:04:02,210 --> 00:04:04,049 to do it subtly rather 125 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:05,949 than saying this is this and 126 00:04:05,950 --> 00:04:07,489 this is that and I want you to 127 00:04:07,490 --> 00:04:09,369 memorize it. I really don't do that. 128 00:04:09,370 --> 00:04:10,409 I point that out. 129 00:04:10,410 --> 00:04:12,049 I say well this is a white pine and 130 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:15,269 this a red pine and so on and 131 00:04:15,270 --> 00:04:16,629 interestingly enough they're picking 132 00:04:16,630 --> 00:04:18,509 that up. It's a way 133 00:04:18,510 --> 00:04:20,909 of teaching that I guess I 134 00:04:20,910 --> 00:04:23,009 have tried to follow as most 135 00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:24,889 people who know my background I 136 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:26,129 taught for many years at the 137 00:04:26,130 --> 00:04:28,089 university and my way of 138 00:04:28,090 --> 00:04:29,289 teaching was always to be a little 139 00:04:29,290 --> 00:04:31,589 more subtle rather than so direct, 140 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:33,629 to tell a story rather 141 00:04:33,630 --> 00:04:35,189 than to say here are the points I 142 00:04:35,190 --> 00:04:36,769 want you to memorize. 143 00:04:36,770 --> 00:04:37,909 And I've pretty much been doing that 144 00:04:37,910 --> 00:04:39,529 with my grandkids, did that with my 145 00:04:39,530 --> 00:04:40,530 kids. 146 00:04:41,070 --> 00:04:43,049 Do I recall that you said 147 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:45,789 something in the book about 148 00:04:45,790 --> 00:04:47,869 the students at 149 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:49,929 Rhinelander and something 150 00:04:49,930 --> 00:04:51,869 about being on the water even for 151 00:04:51,870 --> 00:04:53,209 them as they're working on 152 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:53,870 assignments? I didn't hear- 153 00:04:53,871 --> 00:04:54,709 I didn't hear the first part of what 154 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:54,969 you said. 155 00:04:54,970 --> 00:04:56,749 In your book, do you want to say 156 00:04:56,750 --> 00:04:57,829 something about the students, 157 00:04:58,850 --> 00:04:59,110 the people you were... 158 00:04:59,111 --> 00:05:01,329 Yes, in fact, 159 00:05:01,330 --> 00:05:03,169 I've taught creative writing now 160 00:05:03,170 --> 00:05:05,609 for 40 plus years, 161 00:05:05,610 --> 00:05:07,659 and I have discovered 162 00:05:07,660 --> 00:05:10,029 that there's something magical 163 00:05:10,030 --> 00:05:12,089 about having 164 00:05:12,090 --> 00:05:13,969 a writing class, I expect 165 00:05:13,970 --> 00:05:15,949 any class, but a writing class which 166 00:05:15,950 --> 00:05:18,209 I do, close to water. 167 00:05:18,210 --> 00:05:19,669 And I've thought on Washington 168 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:22,289 Island where my students are 169 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:24,969 watching Death's Door, so to speak, 170 00:05:24,970 --> 00:05:26,129 that body of water between 171 00:05:26,130 --> 00:05:27,859 Washington Island and Door County. 172 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:29,819 I still teach that at the 173 00:05:29,820 --> 00:05:31,199 clearing in Ellison Bay, which is 174 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,579 right on the waters of Green Bay. 175 00:05:33,580 --> 00:05:35,640 And of course at Rhinelander, 176 00:05:37,580 --> 00:05:39,739 the lakes were everywhere, 177 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:41,619 and water was one 178 00:05:41,620 --> 00:05:43,119 of the attractions I think that 179 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,599 brought some of the students to 180 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:46,999 my classes. 181 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,039 So I 182 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,079 discovered that sort of accidentally 183 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,979 by realizing that 184 00:05:52,980 --> 00:05:55,259 something was going on that 185 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:56,779 I couldn't figure out, that I 186 00:05:56,780 --> 00:05:57,780 couldn't understand. 187 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,059 The relationship of people 188 00:06:01,060 --> 00:06:02,199 to water, 189 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:06,119 the creative juices 190 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,419 that began flowing, 191 00:06:08,420 --> 00:06:10,259 and this sounds crazy maybe, 192 00:06:10,260 --> 00:06:12,439 but as people associated 193 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,399 with water watched it, played 194 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,779 in it, did whatever they wanted with 195 00:06:15,780 --> 00:06:18,259 it, or simply wrote 196 00:06:18,260 --> 00:06:20,459 about it even, there was something 197 00:06:20,460 --> 00:06:22,779 mysterious happening. 198 00:06:22,780 --> 00:06:24,519 And I still haven't figured out 199 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,919 exactly what that relationship is, 200 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:27,920 but it's an important one. 201 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,679 And I firmly believe, and 202 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,019 I've taught this for years, that 203 00:06:32,020 --> 00:06:33,959 everybody has a 204 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,279 creative side to them. 205 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:37,359 It's often dormant and 206 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,559 not being expressed, but 207 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,399 water and the presence of 208 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,299 water, in my judgment, 209 00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:45,259 will help to release that 210 00:06:45,260 --> 00:06:47,179 creativity that sits there 211 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:48,720 and is waiting to be released. 212 00:06:52,060 --> 00:06:53,139 Okay, let's get political. 213 00:06:55,340 --> 00:06:59,179 I don't know yet go 214 00:06:59,180 --> 00:07:00,180 ahead 215 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:03,519 with that whole, 216 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,579 in fact, I think it kind of started 217 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:07,479 and grows out of thinking about your 218 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,319 dad's life and 219 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,389 his association with water and. 220 00:07:11,390 --> 00:07:13,769 Yeah, my 221 00:07:13,770 --> 00:07:15,809 perspective on water 222 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:17,649 goes way 223 00:07:17,650 --> 00:07:20,529 back to when I was a little kid, 224 00:07:20,530 --> 00:07:22,609 growing up on a sandy 225 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:24,649 farm in central 226 00:07:24,650 --> 00:07:26,969 Wisconsin where we never ever 227 00:07:26,970 --> 00:07:29,129 had enough water. 228 00:07:29,130 --> 00:07:31,349 And thus my dad's 229 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:33,209 comment, which he mentioned often, 230 00:07:34,350 --> 00:07:36,289 never, never curse the 231 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:37,290 rain. 232 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,579 That every drop of water that 233 00:07:39,580 --> 00:07:42,699 fell on our land was precious. 234 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:44,799 And I've never forgotten that. 235 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,859 And I grew up seeing 236 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:48,719 water not just as 237 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,899 something that helped 238 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:53,219 our crops grow, which it surely did, 239 00:07:53,220 --> 00:07:55,259 but something that was precious, 240 00:07:55,260 --> 00:07:57,779 something that had to be respected. 241 00:07:57,780 --> 00:07:59,879 Because if our windmill 242 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,919 quit turning, as it did one 243 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,899 time, and the cattle 244 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,920 and the horses did not have water, 245 00:08:07,010 --> 00:08:09,189 That was a catastrophe. 246 00:08:09,190 --> 00:08:11,029 And as I've mentioned earlier, 247 00:08:11,030 --> 00:08:13,249 I've never forgotten the sound 248 00:08:13,250 --> 00:08:15,509 of cattle not 249 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:17,769 having enough water to drink. 250 00:08:17,770 --> 00:08:20,009 So all of those 251 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,329 experiences with my dad 252 00:08:22,330 --> 00:08:24,509 going fishing, with 253 00:08:24,510 --> 00:08:27,389 my brothers and I going swimming, 254 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:29,409 all of that helped me 255 00:08:29,410 --> 00:08:31,389 develop this tremendous respect 256 00:08:31,390 --> 00:08:32,548 for water. 257 00:08:32,549 --> 00:08:34,389 And I'm reminded, as I 258 00:08:34,390 --> 00:08:36,459 do a lot of reading, 259 00:08:36,460 --> 00:08:38,558 about Native American 260 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,499 strategies, impressions, 261 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:41,979 and attitudes. 262 00:08:41,980 --> 00:08:44,299 And I am convinced 263 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:46,479 that the Native Americans 264 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,799 really have something when 265 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,639 they talk about water as 266 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,819 something that's sacred, 267 00:08:52,820 --> 00:08:54,779 to be respected, 268 00:08:54,780 --> 00:08:56,979 to be cherished, 269 00:08:56,980 --> 00:08:59,299 and at the same time, 270 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:01,679 be useful in cooking and 271 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:03,679 all the other uses of 272 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:05,519 providing the supply of fish and all 273 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,359 of that. 274 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,259 And I'm afraid that 275 00:09:08,260 --> 00:09:10,239 so many people today 276 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,100 in our society 277 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:15,499 see water as an economic 278 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:17,119 commodity. 279 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,459 Something that is unending, 280 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:22,339 and most of us who study this 281 00:09:22,340 --> 00:09:24,379 know better, it's not unending. 282 00:09:24,380 --> 00:09:26,459 The supply is not 283 00:09:26,460 --> 00:09:29,239 forever abundant. 284 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,299 It needs to be, 285 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:33,139 we need to watch that, and watch 286 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:35,479 that carefully in our overuse 287 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,699 of water. 288 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:38,599 So going way back to 289 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:39,919 the days when I was a kid, 290 00:09:41,020 --> 00:09:42,859 and learning to respect 291 00:09:42,860 --> 00:09:44,899 water, to cherish it, and indeed 292 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:46,999 to see it as something sacred, 293 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,119 to today, when I'm 294 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,139 trying to do that myself with 295 00:09:51,140 --> 00:09:52,979 limited water use, 296 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:55,679 but I see so many people around me, 297 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,679 and I don't mean to be 298 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:59,679 judgmental, but so many 299 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:01,919 who see water as 300 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,499 something that's going to 301 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:05,709 economically benefit them. 302 00:10:05,710 --> 00:10:07,629 And not worry about what it does 303 00:10:07,630 --> 00:10:09,569 to the environment, 304 00:10:09,570 --> 00:10:11,629 what it those to the aquifers that 305 00:10:11,630 --> 00:10:13,049 draw down, right here on my farm 306 00:10:13,050 --> 00:10:15,069 where we're sitting just now. 307 00:10:15,070 --> 00:10:16,689 One only has to look at my two 308 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:18,509 ponds, one in back of me, one 309 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:19,649 in front of me. 310 00:10:19,650 --> 00:10:21,829 Both of which have less 311 00:10:21,830 --> 00:10:23,669 than half the water in 312 00:10:23,670 --> 00:10:25,529 them that they had as recently 313 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:27,369 as fifteen years ago. 314 00:10:27,370 --> 00:10:29,429 And I don't want to blame it on the 315 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:31,489 on the irrigation that takes 316 00:10:31,490 --> 00:10:33,059 place in this area. 317 00:10:33,060 --> 00:10:34,759 Part of me doesn't want to do that 318 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,819 because I'm a farmer, I've 319 00:10:36,820 --> 00:10:38,759 known farmers for years, but I 320 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,739 also know in studying 321 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:42,979 the evidence, the research 322 00:10:42,980 --> 00:10:45,479 evidence that's been done 323 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,399 in this area, that that 324 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,899 is a major contributor 325 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:51,899 to the decline of 326 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:54,159 the aquifer and 327 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,199 the disappearance of several 328 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,559 feet of the water table. 329 00:11:00,450 --> 00:11:01,949 There needs to be more study at 330 00:11:01,950 --> 00:11:03,849 this, but that is a problem, and I 331 00:11:03,850 --> 00:11:05,490 don't have the solution to it. 332 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:09,069 I'm hopeful that more people will 333 00:11:09,070 --> 00:11:11,269 recognize that as 334 00:11:11,270 --> 00:11:13,209 a problem and begin to talk 335 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:15,249 about it and discuss it and 336 00:11:15,250 --> 00:11:17,109 begin figure out policies 337 00:11:17,110 --> 00:11:19,029 that will allow us 338 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:20,849 to put the brakes on 339 00:11:20,850 --> 00:11:23,209 some of our overuse of water, 340 00:11:23,210 --> 00:11:24,889 some of the inappropriate use of 341 00:11:24,890 --> 00:11:26,369 water. For now, I want to refer to 342 00:11:26,370 --> 00:11:27,829 the pollution that's occurring 343 00:11:27,830 --> 00:11:29,729 everywhere, where we... 344 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:31,829 Don't spend enough time realizing 345 00:11:31,830 --> 00:11:33,849 that if you've got 5,000 346 00:11:33,850 --> 00:11:35,929 cows and their manure 347 00:11:35,930 --> 00:11:37,549 is spread on the land, there's only 348 00:11:37,550 --> 00:11:39,749 so much that the land 349 00:11:39,750 --> 00:11:41,989 can accommodate. 350 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:44,269 And most people know this, and 351 00:11:44,270 --> 00:11:46,289 the thoughtful farmers know this. 352 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:47,989 But there are always those that are 353 00:11:47,990 --> 00:11:50,069 not. And then we see these manure 354 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:52,049 spills, and we see the 355 00:11:52,050 --> 00:11:54,669 streams polluted, and 356 00:11:54,670 --> 00:11:56,769 it's tragedy and 357 00:11:56,770 --> 00:11:58,729 we try to try to prevent that from 358 00:11:58,730 --> 00:12:00,029 happening. What is happening? 359 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,979 Do you think that's a harder sell up 360 00:12:02,980 --> 00:12:05,039 here in the Midwest because 361 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,719 of the abundance of fresh water? 362 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,859 Of course, as 363 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:11,019 most of us know, 364 00:12:11,020 --> 00:12:12,919 the Great Lakes have something 365 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,299 like 80 plus percent 366 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:17,399 of all of the fresh water 367 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,179 in North America, can you believe 368 00:12:19,180 --> 00:12:21,099 that, 80 percent, 369 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:23,039 in those same Great Lakes that 20 370 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,919 some percent of the 371 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,759 world's fresh water 372 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,739 happens to be in the Great 373 00:12:28,740 --> 00:12:29,759 lakes. 374 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,620 Well, try and convince somebody. 375 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:35,149 That we've got a water problem, 376 00:12:35,150 --> 00:12:37,209 a potential shortage of water, 377 00:12:37,210 --> 00:12:38,509 and they'll look at you and say, 378 00:12:38,510 --> 00:12:40,189 well have you noticed what's 379 00:12:40,190 --> 00:12:42,049 happening in Lake Michigan lately? 380 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:43,529 And it is up. 381 00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:45,029 Have you noticed whats going on in 382 00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:46,049 Lake Superior? 383 00:12:46,050 --> 00:12:47,729 Of course I've noticed that. 384 00:12:47,730 --> 00:12:50,969 But, but, as we look ahead, 385 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:53,009 and as we begin to 386 00:12:53,010 --> 00:12:54,829 recognize that global 387 00:12:54,830 --> 00:12:56,849 warming is real, 388 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:58,829 it's affecting us, and 389 00:12:58,830 --> 00:13:00,889 as some predict, by as early 390 00:13:00,890 --> 00:13:01,970 as 2050. 391 00:13:03,330 --> 00:13:06,069 We are going to have a 392 00:13:06,070 --> 00:13:08,009 terrific shortage of water 393 00:13:08,010 --> 00:13:10,289 in the world, including 394 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:12,129 the United States. 395 00:13:12,130 --> 00:13:13,989 We see evidence of it now. 396 00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:16,169 California has had a drought that's 397 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:18,109 gone on for almost half a 398 00:13:18,110 --> 00:13:19,249 dozen years already. 399 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:21,089 The southwestern states, New 400 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:22,929 Mexico and Arizona, have 401 00:13:22,930 --> 00:13:25,009 had drought. And the wildfires 402 00:13:25,010 --> 00:13:26,909 in the northwest, these 403 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:29,429 are symbols, indicators of 404 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:31,469 what we can see coming and 405 00:13:31,470 --> 00:13:33,299 global warming's effects. 406 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:35,539 Are storms where we'll get 407 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:37,719 inches of rain an hour, 408 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,019 as we've had here in Wisconsin 409 00:13:39,020 --> 00:13:40,959 recently, and then there'll be a dry 410 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,239 spell with nothing. 411 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,299 So it's very difficult to 412 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:47,399 convince somebody who has just 413 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,419 had their car flooded out 414 00:13:49,420 --> 00:13:51,999 because of a recent terrific 415 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,379 rainstorm that there's going to be a 416 00:13:53,380 --> 00:13:54,819 water shortage. 417 00:13:54,820 --> 00:13:56,799 But all the indicators 418 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,719 are that that will be 419 00:13:58,720 --> 00:13:59,720 true. 420 00:14:00,950 --> 00:14:03,249 And then what happens when 421 00:14:03,250 --> 00:14:05,069 people are desperate for a 422 00:14:05,070 --> 00:14:05,549 while? 423 00:14:05,550 --> 00:14:07,389 Well, then we have all 424 00:14:07,390 --> 00:14:09,529 kinds of social 425 00:14:09,530 --> 00:14:10,889 upheavals. 426 00:14:10,890 --> 00:14:13,129 We have death from 427 00:14:13,130 --> 00:14:15,109 starvation and lack of 428 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:16,709 water. That's happening in parts of 429 00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:17,710 the world already. 430 00:14:18,670 --> 00:14:20,649 We've simply got to figure 431 00:14:20,650 --> 00:14:23,109 out a way of 432 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:24,989 number one, using less 433 00:14:24,990 --> 00:14:25,990 water, 434 00:14:27,030 --> 00:14:29,409 and number two, making sure 435 00:14:29,410 --> 00:14:31,369 that we have fresh water 436 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:33,139 and that we're not polluting it. 437 00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:35,019 Those are two major things that 438 00:14:35,020 --> 00:14:37,059 we have to be concerned with. 439 00:14:37,060 --> 00:14:38,959 And the third thing, which 440 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,679 is probably the most difficult of 441 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,519 all, is to 442 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,439 help people realize that, 443 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,579 as I mentioned earlier, 444 00:14:47,580 --> 00:14:49,819 come to realize that water is 445 00:14:49,820 --> 00:14:51,999 sacred. It is not an economic 446 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,319 commodity. 447 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,579 It is something we've got to 448 00:14:54,580 --> 00:14:55,379 cherish. 449 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:57,199 Our very lives depend 450 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,099 on water. Without water, all 451 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:01,389 of us would... We would die in 452 00:15:01,390 --> 00:15:03,389 48 hours, I think, something like 453 00:15:03,390 --> 00:15:05,349 that, without water. 454 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:06,629 Death is imminent. 455 00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:10,009 And people today, 456 00:15:10,010 --> 00:15:12,189 it's so easy to turn on the spigot 457 00:15:12,190 --> 00:15:13,949 and there's the water. 458 00:15:13,950 --> 00:15:16,109 And for most of us, it is fresh and 459 00:15:16,110 --> 00:15:17,689 it's safe. 460 00:15:17,690 --> 00:15:19,589 Increasingly, that will not be 461 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:20,590 so. 462 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:28,439 We need to find something surier to 463 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,440 end on. 464 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,519 So doom and gloom I probably 465 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,439 sound, but I 466 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,699 am trying my darnedest 467 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:41,439 through my writing and through this 468 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:42,979 kind of work, through the radio work 469 00:15:42,980 --> 00:15:45,239 that I do, to not preach, 470 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,579 to say unless you do this you're 471 00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:49,659 in trouble, to help people 472 00:15:49,660 --> 00:15:52,139 through my stories realize 473 00:15:52,140 --> 00:15:54,899 that there's another way of 474 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:56,539 thinking about our relationship to 475 00:15:56,540 --> 00:15:58,459 water. And not everybody has 476 00:15:58,460 --> 00:16:00,459 had that opportunity that I've had 477 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:02,539 to grow up at 478 00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:04,639 a time in a place 479 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,959 where water was 480 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,919 not in abundance, 481 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,659 was always in short supply. 482 00:16:11,660 --> 00:16:13,539 And so I learned very early 483 00:16:13,540 --> 00:16:15,539 on the meaning 484 00:16:15,540 --> 00:16:17,539 of thinking about water as 485 00:16:17,540 --> 00:16:19,639 something important and essential. 486 00:16:21,060 --> 00:16:22,739 And many people have not had that 487 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:24,299 opportunity. They've grown up where 488 00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:26,179 water is always abundant. 489 00:16:26,180 --> 00:16:28,039 So my goal 490 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,959 has been to 491 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,309 help people at least Well, 492 00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:34,189 at least to begin to think about 493 00:16:34,190 --> 00:16:36,089 it and then to talk with each other 494 00:16:36,090 --> 00:16:38,089 and debate this and for 495 00:16:38,090 --> 00:16:39,889 heaven's sakes Pay attention to the 496 00:16:39,890 --> 00:16:42,029 research. There's a lot of research 497 00:16:42,030 --> 00:16:44,009 these days about water 498 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:45,889 And you don't have to look far to 499 00:16:45,890 --> 00:16:48,009 find it and Then to begin, 500 00:16:48,010 --> 00:16:50,269 to develop policy that 501 00:16:50,270 --> 00:16:52,669 helps us come close 502 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:54,509 to if not arriving at the 503 00:16:54,510 --> 00:16:56,309 place Where the things that I've 504 00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:58,209 just mentioned Become 505 00:16:58,210 --> 00:17:00,629 a reality No 506 00:17:00,630 --> 00:17:03,069 polluted. No polluted water, 507 00:17:03,070 --> 00:17:05,088 water as sacred, water 508 00:17:05,089 --> 00:17:07,169 as something more than economic 509 00:17:07,170 --> 00:17:08,170 commodity. 510 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:11,779 What do you think your dad would... 511 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,439 If he saw how 512 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,299 much water is being 513 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:20,939 used these days for irrigation, 514 00:17:20,940 --> 00:17:22,179 for bottled water. 515 00:17:22,180 --> 00:17:23,999 I think my father would shake 516 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,118 his head, as I do, 517 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,439 in seeing how 518 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,699 water is 519 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:32,959 being used in the irrigation 520 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,739 systems. They're everywhere, and 521 00:17:34,740 --> 00:17:36,599 again, I don't 522 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:37,619 want to be critical of that. 523 00:17:37,620 --> 00:17:38,599 People have to make a living. 524 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,779 I understand that. 525 00:17:40,780 --> 00:17:42,639 But the broader scheme 526 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:43,899 means we've got to see the 527 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:46,239 relationship of what we're doing to 528 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,899 a bigger picture. 529 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:49,799 And that means that we are all 530 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:50,599 in this together. 531 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,119 We just can't. 532 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:54,079 Constantly think about the 533 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,079 individual and what that person 534 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,099 is entitled to and 535 00:17:58,100 --> 00:17:59,379 what rights that person has. 536 00:17:59,380 --> 00:18:01,719 We really are all in this together. 537 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,200 And my dad knew that. 538 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,319 My dad would have, 539 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,219 I think, for the most part 540 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:10,139 agreed, his language would not have 541 00:18:10,140 --> 00:18:11,079 been mine. 542 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,179 He would have told stories about 543 00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:15,339 how somebody had 544 00:18:15,340 --> 00:18:17,979 purchased lake property and 545 00:18:17,980 --> 00:18:19,739 this happens have happened. 546 00:18:19,740 --> 00:18:21,459 Had purchased lake property, were 547 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:23,639 very happy with it, 548 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,379 saw their taxes increased 549 00:18:25,380 --> 00:18:27,219 tremendously because they had lake 550 00:18:27,220 --> 00:18:28,239 property. 551 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,139 And then over a period of three 552 00:18:30,140 --> 00:18:31,979 or four or five years, they saw 553 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:34,639 their lake literally disappear. 554 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,239 It became a pasture. 555 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,079 It looked like a cow pasture and 556 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,739 the taxes stayed high. 557 00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:41,839 And this person was irate. 558 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,699 My gosh, I 559 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:45,599 have lake property but all I have to 560 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,279 look at is a bunch of weeds and 561 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,579 grass. 562 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:50,539 My dad would have laughed when he 563 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:52,399 told that story, 564 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,059 but the person who experienced it 565 00:18:54,060 --> 00:18:55,060 wasn't laughing. 566 00:19:02,370 --> 00:19:04,269 Speaking of your dad, tell me again 567 00:19:04,270 --> 00:19:06,189 about when he 568 00:19:06,190 --> 00:19:07,769 told you never curse the rain. 569 00:19:07,770 --> 00:19:09,289 If you can remember that first time 570 00:19:09,290 --> 00:19:10,379 it... 571 00:19:10,380 --> 00:19:11,919 Well, I was probably, I don't know, 572 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,399 three, four years old when 573 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,379 it was 574 00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:18,599 a rainy day, and 575 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:19,939 I wanted to do something else. 576 00:19:19,940 --> 00:19:21,119 I don t know what I wanted do. 577 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:22,679 As a little kid, I had all kinds of 578 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,959 little projects I wanted work on, 579 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,259 and most of them were outside. 580 00:19:26,260 --> 00:19:28,539 I was always an outside kid, 581 00:19:28,540 --> 00:19:29,879 and I couldn t do it. 582 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,699 It was raining, and then I said, Pa, 583 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:34,579 this is terrible. 584 00:19:34,580 --> 00:19:36,519 This rain is spoiling what I 585 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,339 had in mind, and he looked me 586 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:39,340 right in the eye. 587 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:42,679 And he said, Jerry, 588 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,599 never curse the rain. 589 00:19:46,020 --> 00:19:47,259 I didn't really know what he meant 590 00:19:47,260 --> 00:19:49,199 at that time 591 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,839 because I was just learning cuss 592 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:51,840 words myself. 593 00:19:53,850 --> 00:19:55,629 And my mother made sure that I 594 00:19:55,630 --> 00:19:56,690 didn't use them. 595 00:19:58,170 --> 00:20:00,089 But to his point 596 00:20:00,090 --> 00:20:02,129 of never, never say 597 00:20:02,130 --> 00:20:04,209 something negative when 598 00:20:04,210 --> 00:20:06,429 it's raining, cherish it, respect 599 00:20:06,430 --> 00:20:08,309 it, celebrate it. 600 00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:09,489 That's what he was about. 601 00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:11,249 He didn't say those words. 602 00:20:11,250 --> 00:20:13,189 But you could see when he was 603 00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:15,450 glum and unhappy 604 00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:18,849 and it began to 605 00:20:18,850 --> 00:20:20,269 rain. 606 00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:22,649 And I've got a bug here somewhere. 607 00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:23,650 Is it gone? 608 00:20:24,620 --> 00:20:27,299 Right by the microphone. 609 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:28,159 Ha ha ha! 610 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,160 Wait, wait, wait. 611 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,280 Have some chopsticks. 612 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:37,289 No, no, just a second. 613 00:20:37,290 --> 00:20:38,290 Don't move. 614 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:42,959 He doesn't like me, he laughs. 615 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,139 You're getting this, aren't 616 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:47,039 you? Ha ha ha 617 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,040 ha! 618 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:50,129 Mick the bug killer! 619 00:20:50,130 --> 00:20:51,130 You 620 00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:58,099 So then as the years pass... 621 00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:59,919 Yeah, let's start again, 622 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,179 because it was buzzing off. 623 00:21:01,180 --> 00:21:02,809 You know, just a little buggy. 624 00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:04,469 Go back to that little four-year-old 625 00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:05,029 person 626 00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:06,949 Well, this little four-year-old, 627 00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:09,649 when I was three or four years old, 628 00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:11,729 I remember fondly the day 629 00:21:11,730 --> 00:21:14,029 when I had planned, 630 00:21:14,030 --> 00:21:15,869 I had a little, I 631 00:21:15,870 --> 00:21:17,049 mean I had a sandbox. 632 00:21:17,050 --> 00:21:18,669 I mean it wasn't a sandbox, we call 633 00:21:18,670 --> 00:21:20,569 it the sand hole, we had a lot 634 00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:21,589 of those on the farm. 635 00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:23,349 But there's where I played and I 636 00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:25,369 would have little horses and 637 00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:27,229 cows and I had made 638 00:21:27,230 --> 00:21:29,329 a little fence even, that 639 00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:30,249 was my little farm. 640 00:21:30,250 --> 00:21:32,909 And I was all 641 00:21:32,910 --> 00:21:35,489 intent on spending the afternoon. 642 00:21:35,490 --> 00:21:37,449 Playing in my little at my 643 00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:39,269 little farm in this little sand hole 644 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:41,159 and it began to rain and 645 00:21:42,490 --> 00:21:44,369 I was well, I 646 00:21:44,370 --> 00:21:46,349 probably did use one of 647 00:21:46,350 --> 00:21:48,049 the the few cuss words that I knew 648 00:21:48,050 --> 00:21:50,089 at the time And 649 00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:52,069 saying to my dad that it was 650 00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:53,109 raining and everything. 651 00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:55,249 I'd planned Was now 652 00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:57,289 I couldn't do it and 653 00:21:57,290 --> 00:21:59,789 he looked me right in the eye With 654 00:21:59,790 --> 00:22:02,129 a very serious look no smile 655 00:22:02,130 --> 00:22:04,109 Never curse the 656 00:22:04,110 --> 00:22:05,209 rain cherry 657 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,859 And I've never forgotten that 658 00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:10,079 because I knew later 659 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,919 what he meant because our farm 660 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,920 was sandy. 661 00:22:13,660 --> 00:22:16,299 We never had enough rain. 662 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:17,839 And for the crops to amount to 663 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,039 anything, and there wasn't such a 664 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,939 thing as irrigation in those days, 665 00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:22,859 for the crop to amount anything, 666 00:22:22,860 --> 00:22:25,179 we needed an ample supply 667 00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:26,180 of rain. 668 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,179 And he then did something 669 00:22:29,180 --> 00:22:31,419 else to help me appreciate 670 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:33,459 a rainy day. 671 00:22:33,460 --> 00:22:35,699 One of the things that we did, 672 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:37,520 especially in July, 673 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,799 during the haying season. 674 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,280 And on a rainy day, 675 00:22:44,380 --> 00:22:45,900 we'd crawl up into the barn 676 00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:49,239 and spread out on the hay, 677 00:22:50,540 --> 00:22:52,559 alfalfa and sweet clover and 678 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,839 timothy. 679 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,219 Nothing, nothing smelled better 680 00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:58,559 than curing hay, 681 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,059 according to my dad, and I would 682 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:01,019 agree with him. 683 00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:02,699 And we're resting on the hey and 684 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,079 listening to the rain. 685 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,440 Come down on the roof. 686 00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:10,889 A few drops and then more 687 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:12,829 drops. It was like being 688 00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:14,769 inside of an airplane 689 00:23:14,770 --> 00:23:15,770 flying over. Over. 690 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:21,269 Such a good story, too. 691 00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:25,489 We're sprawled out in the barn, my 692 00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:27,009 dad and I and my two brothers. 693 00:23:28,550 --> 00:23:30,529 And the rain is coming down on 694 00:23:30,530 --> 00:23:31,530 the barn roof. 695 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,499 And it's ever so much like being 696 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:38,019 inside of an orchestra 697 00:23:38,020 --> 00:23:40,099 with the drummer beating 698 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:42,139 on the drums 699 00:23:42,140 --> 00:23:44,479 and the raindrops beating 700 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,879 on the rain roof. 701 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,019 Because the inside of the barn had 702 00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:50,339 a kind of, it was like an echo 703 00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:52,019 chamber as I think about it now. 704 00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:54,819 It would amplify the sound 705 00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:56,259 of the rain on the roof. 706 00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:58,359 And the wonderful, 707 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:00,139 the wonderful sound of the 708 00:24:00,140 --> 00:24:01,509 combination. 709 00:24:01,510 --> 00:24:02,909 The wonderful experience of the 710 00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:04,809 combination of the sound 711 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:07,619 of the rain on the barn roof 712 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:10,069 and the smell of the hay 713 00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:11,450 that's drying. 714 00:24:13,270 --> 00:24:14,969 And having Pother with us because he 715 00:24:14,970 --> 00:24:17,089 was working all of the time, 716 00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:19,689 and now he wasn't, he was resting. 717 00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:21,349 And he would probably start telling 718 00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:23,649 stories, which was his way, 719 00:24:23,650 --> 00:24:25,489 about other rainstorms, about 720 00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:27,789 other days, about fishing. 721 00:24:27,790 --> 00:24:29,889 He had a never-ending supply 722 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:31,309 of stories. 723 00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:33,349 But all of that to celebrate 724 00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:36,569 a rainy day when 725 00:24:36,570 --> 00:24:39,729 he had earlier proclaimed never, 726 00:24:39,730 --> 00:24:41,549 never curse 727 00:24:41,550 --> 00:24:43,469 the rain. He didn't say celebrate 728 00:24:43,470 --> 00:24:45,329 it, he didn't have 729 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:47,169 to, he showed us how 730 00:24:47,170 --> 00:24:49,189 to celebrate it by crawling up into 731 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:51,749 the barn and 732 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:54,369 listening and smelling and 733 00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:55,370 hearing his stories. 734 00:24:57,540 --> 00:24:59,419 So tell me what your 735 00:24:59,420 --> 00:25:01,479 relationship with water has been 736 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,480 through your life. 737 00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:05,610 I still drink it. 738 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,239 It started, of 739 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,159 course, as I've 740 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,979 explained several times, on 741 00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:16,579 this sandy farm where we never had 742 00:25:16,580 --> 00:25:18,259 enough of it. 743 00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:20,599 But then when I bought this farm 744 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,319 50 years ago now, 745 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,180 with its ponds, 746 00:25:26,540 --> 00:25:28,539 again, all along 747 00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:29,659 I had an appreciation because we 748 00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:30,660 always grew a garden. 749 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:33,299 And here we started growing a 750 00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:35,199 garden, and to grow 751 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,139 a garden in Mochera County, 752 00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:39,199 Western Missouri Colony. 753 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,959 You'd better have rain or 754 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,319 a hose that you can water because 755 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,479 you're not gonna have much of a 756 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,479 garden. 757 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,559 Most years, by 758 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:49,939 the time we get to August, 759 00:25:49,940 --> 00:25:51,879 everything is brown and 760 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,899 drying up and the garden's not 761 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:55,339 gonna work. 762 00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:57,199 So water in the garden 763 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,440 became essential. 764 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,339 And the first years, 765 00:26:03,340 --> 00:26:05,679 from 1966 until 766 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,799 the 1980s, we had no indoor 767 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,969 plumbing. 768 00:26:08,970 --> 00:26:10,549 At the cabin. 769 00:26:10,550 --> 00:26:12,409 So that is one way 770 00:26:12,410 --> 00:26:14,189 that I helped teach my kids. 771 00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:16,049 We couldn't afford it, to be 772 00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:17,989 honest about it, putting in 773 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:19,249 a new pump. 774 00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:21,189 But it was my way of teaching 775 00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:23,549 our three kids how 776 00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:25,389 to get along without a 777 00:26:25,390 --> 00:26:27,669 ready supply of water. 778 00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:29,449 It was almost as if, well, that's 779 00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:30,389 impossible, Dad. 780 00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:32,469 We can't have, we can't stay 781 00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:34,249 at that cabin without running water. 782 00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:35,849 Well, you can. 783 00:26:35,850 --> 00:26:37,209 And we did. 784 00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:38,999 For many years. 785 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,879 And the kids, as it turns 786 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,379 out now, as they're adults, 787 00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:45,499 that was one of the fun times 788 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:46,759 in their lives. 789 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,399 So water has meant a lot to me. 790 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,559 It's a way to teach my kids 791 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,659 something about the relationship 792 00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:53,639 of water 793 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,679 to nature and the appreciation 794 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,799 of it. 795 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,699 I've watched my own ponds 796 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:00,719 go up and down, down now, 797 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,019 as I explained a while ago. 798 00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:05,059 And I, in a rainy year, which we're 799 00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:07,409 having right now, to 800 00:27:07,410 --> 00:27:09,249 see the magnificence 801 00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:11,089 of the growth that occurs 802 00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:12,949 in my woods and 803 00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:13,789 in my prairies. 804 00:27:13,790 --> 00:27:15,789 I've got wildflowers in my 805 00:27:15,790 --> 00:27:17,629 Prairie that I've never seen 806 00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:19,769 before, acres of them 807 00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:21,269 in full bloom. 808 00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:23,049 Every week something different, 809 00:27:23,050 --> 00:27:25,549 grasses up to my waist. 810 00:27:25,550 --> 00:27:27,089 This time of the year my Prairies 811 00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:29,209 are usually sort of brown and not 812 00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:31,109 very attractive until the fall 813 00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:33,069 rains again. But now, through 814 00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:35,069 summer, the flowers 815 00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:36,619 and the grasses are... 816 00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:39,079 Just taking off like everything, 817 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,579 as is my garden because 818 00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:42,719 of the rain. 819 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,559 So I have learned to 820 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,739 see the cycles of 821 00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:48,619 a rainy season and not a 822 00:27:48,620 --> 00:27:49,639 rainy season. 823 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,519 And now, as I mentioned earlier, 824 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,399 I'm beginning to see some 825 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,699 of the effects of global warming 826 00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:57,619 on our climate, on our 827 00:27:57,620 --> 00:27:59,699 rainfall, on 828 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,279 the on the fact that we'll get two 829 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,500 inches of rain in an hour. 830 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:06,689 That's more and more. 831 00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:08,469 So water has been a part of my life 832 00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:09,349 for years. 833 00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:11,169 I still, I don't do much fishing 834 00:28:11,170 --> 00:28:12,749 anymore. I used to do a lot of it 835 00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:15,109 both in summer and in winter. 836 00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:16,769 I did a lot of swimming. 837 00:28:16,770 --> 00:28:18,789 I never was much of a swimmer, but I 838 00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:20,809 did it and I enjoyed it 839 00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:22,449 and my kids have. 840 00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:24,929 So it's been integral all 841 00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:25,709 along. 842 00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:27,649 And as I mentioned earlier, I have 843 00:28:27,650 --> 00:28:29,069 done a lot of studying. 844 00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:30,209 In fact, I've lived with Native 845 00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:31,949 Americans at different times as part 846 00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:33,869 of my university 847 00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:35,739 work. And came to 848 00:28:35,740 --> 00:28:37,699 appreciate how they see 849 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:39,519 the environment and how they 850 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,479 sea water. 851 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,959 And it's very different from how 852 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,299 many other people have. 853 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,099 As I've come to appreciate what 854 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,119 they've taught me, what science has 855 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,899 taught me and what I have personally 856 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:49,900 experienced, 857 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,839 my view of water is what I've been 858 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,659 saying and it comes not out 859 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:56,559 of the blue, not something 860 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,379 I just thought up yesterday, 861 00:28:58,380 --> 00:29:00,499 but something that goes way back 862 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,019 when I was a little kid. 863 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,159 Did you tell your kids you'll 864 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,160 recurse the ring? 865 00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:08,989 I probably did, 866 00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:09,990 many times. 867 00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:12,719 Have you told your grandkids to 868 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,600 never curse? Uh, yeah. 869 00:29:13,601 --> 00:29:14,790 I have, I have. 870 00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:18,570 Okay. 871 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:20,369 I think we got it. We can't hear 872 00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:21,370 anymore. 873 00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:37,060 Thank you. 874 00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:13,830 Hey, Dad, 875 00:30:14,790 --> 00:30:16,069 what kind of wood was it? 876 00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:17,070 Does that matter? 877 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,299 I think they're locusts. 878 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:22,599 So tell me about that photo. 879 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,579 This photo, this is a picture 880 00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:27,719 of our one-pale 881 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,919 shower. 882 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,659 And the picture's showing my dad on 883 00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:32,539 a ladder hooking up 884 00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:34,439 the one-pal shower at the top of a 885 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,279 teepee. It was sort of three 886 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,099 long branches 887 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:40,419 tied together at the top and 888 00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:42,239 the one pale shower was on 889 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,139 a pulley system so you could 890 00:30:44,140 --> 00:30:45,639 pull it up and down. 891 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,939 It was one of my dad's finest 892 00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:48,279 inventions. 893 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,259 And my brother is 894 00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:52,259 sort of helping out and making sure 895 00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:53,260 it's hanging straight. 896 00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:56,329 And at the bottom there was a little 897 00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:58,249 mat to stand on and 898 00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:59,489 then of course we covered the whole 899 00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:01,429 thing with a table 900 00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:03,149 like the front had a tablecloth and 901 00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:04,689 the back had canvas so it was all 902 00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:05,629 tied on there. 903 00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:06,829 You needed privacy? 904 00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:07,830 Yes, we did. 905 00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:10,909 So the main reason that we 906 00:31:10,910 --> 00:31:12,589 had a one-pail shower in the first 907 00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:14,529 place is because there was 908 00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:16,629 no indoor plumbing in our cabin. 909 00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:19,449 And we started out just 910 00:31:19,450 --> 00:31:21,269 having a washing station actually 911 00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:23,109 right here at the pump house. 912 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:25,009 And my mom was determined to keep us 913 00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:26,549 clean even though we were outside 914 00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:28,449 every day all summer getting really 915 00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:29,969 filthy crawling around in the woods 916 00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:31,869 and barefoot and running around 917 00:31:31,870 --> 00:31:33,149 getting really dirty. 918 00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:34,909 So she just determined that we would 919 00:31:34,910 --> 00:31:36,229 at least have clean feet when we 920 00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:37,519 went to bed. 921 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,399 And plus it was hot, so it 922 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,679 felt better to be cooled off, 923 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,019 to go to sleep when you weren't all 924 00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:44,779 sweaty and hot. 925 00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:46,739 So we had a washing station right 926 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:48,899 here at the pump house and 927 00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:51,359 with like a basin and 928 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,439 cups, because we brushed our teeth, 929 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,099 you know, spittin' into the bushes. 930 00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:56,499 And we thought that was just really 931 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:58,479 grand fun because we were 932 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,839 outside washing up. 933 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,739 And the water coming 934 00:32:02,740 --> 00:32:04,659 from the pump, coming from the well 935 00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:07,929 was just beautifully. 936 00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:10,169 Cold, really really cold. 937 00:32:10,170 --> 00:32:12,669 So I have to think it was you 938 00:32:12,670 --> 00:32:14,369 know our very first water park 939 00:32:14,370 --> 00:32:16,349 experience because lots of times we 940 00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:18,409 just stood under the under the 941 00:32:18,410 --> 00:32:19,789 water coming out of the pump house 942 00:32:19,790 --> 00:32:21,729 if we were hot and apparently that 943 00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:22,529 wasn't good enough. 944 00:32:22,530 --> 00:32:24,469 That wasn't enough of a way to get 945 00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:25,909 cleaned up because there was no soap 946 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:27,109 when you were just standing under 947 00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:29,289 the water and we used to just 948 00:32:29,290 --> 00:32:31,029 spray each other all the time and 949 00:32:31,030 --> 00:32:32,309 play in the water just coming 950 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:34,009 straight from the well. 951 00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:35,809 And my mom decided that was not 952 00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:36,669 enough of washing. 953 00:32:36,670 --> 00:32:37,829 It didn't count as washing up. 954 00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:39,869 So we needed the whole shower 955 00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:41,149 experience. 956 00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:42,469 And we did have soap in there. 957 00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:44,429 So we were officially clean once we 958 00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:45,889 were out of the shower. 959 00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:47,889 And this is the actual 960 00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:49,869 one pail shower 961 00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:50,870 bucket. 962 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:53,700 So it's a, yeah. 963 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,919 So it had 964 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,779 a hole in the bottom, and this is 965 00:33:00,780 --> 00:33:02,739 just like a hose, an actual hose, 966 00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:04,459 like you would put on a faucet. 967 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:06,319 And then it has an on-off 968 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,539 switch here for a sprinkler. 969 00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:10,359 So you fill up the bucket with 970 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,159 warm water heated on the wood stove. 971 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,099 So it was really warm. 972 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:15,299 And in fact, it was actually too 973 00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:17,759 hot, because I remember we had to 974 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,179 bring it over and put cold water in 975 00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:20,939 it, because it was boiling hot from 976 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:22,599 the stove. And then, it would hang 977 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,389 up on that pulley system. 978 00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:25,509 We actually would, we would pour 979 00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:26,849 water into it because it was already 980 00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:28,709 attached and then you could 981 00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:30,649 just be outside getting cleaned 982 00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:32,789 up and use the soap and we 983 00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:34,209 were officially cleaned up. 984 00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:35,669 It was a much better way to clean 985 00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:37,589 instead of just our little washing 986 00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:39,069 station outside of the plump house 987 00:33:39,070 --> 00:33:39,409 here. 988 00:33:39,410 --> 00:33:40,929 So does the bucket look as big now 989 00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:41,910 as it did then? I don't ma- 990 00:33:41,911 --> 00:33:43,849 I don't know, I don't remember. 991 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:45,529 I don remember, we couldn't use the 992 00:33:45,530 --> 00:33:46,789 whole pail. 993 00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:48,529 That's why there was an on-off. 994 00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:49,889 So I don't remember if we had some 995 00:33:49,890 --> 00:33:52,069 sort of a timer, some sort time 996 00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:53,909 limit, but we just had to 997 00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:55,749 be soaked up and cleaned up and then 998 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:57,449 the rest of the pail and the rest o' 999 00:33:57,450 --> 00:33:58,909 the water in the bucket was for the 1000 00:33:58,910 --> 00:33:59,749 next person. 1001 00:33:59,750 --> 00:34:01,429 Well, he said that when you work 1002 00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:02,869 hard, you gotta work hard. 1003 00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:04,829 Yeah, so if we were tired 1004 00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:06,829 we got a whole pale 1005 00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:08,249 shower and you could just stand 1006 00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:10,149 there with it open until it 1007 00:34:10,150 --> 00:34:11,729 was just sprinkled out and no more 1008 00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:12,908 water came out and then you knew you 1009 00:34:12,909 --> 00:34:14,509 were finished. 1010 00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:17,049 But yeah, very fun. 1011 00:34:17,050 --> 00:34:18,149 Especially at night. 1012 00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:20,468 You can imagine at night it's 1013 00:34:20,469 --> 00:34:22,549 getting a little bit cooler and 1014 00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:23,988 the whipper whills are out and 1015 00:34:23,989 --> 00:34:25,709 there's a breeze and you're swiping 1016 00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:27,468 mosquitoes and it's a whole 1017 00:34:27,469 --> 00:34:28,888 different experience from taking an 1018 00:34:28,889 --> 00:34:31,249 inside shower. I think this is like, 1019 00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:32,349 definitely the... 1020 00:34:32,350 --> 00:34:34,189 The camping shower of my 1021 00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:35,849 childhood, because it was completely 1022 00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:37,309 different from anything else I ever 1023 00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:38,669 did in the city. 1024 00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:40,129 It was actually very fun. 1025 00:34:40,130 --> 00:34:41,968 So if there was an incentive 1026 00:34:41,969 --> 00:34:43,669 to work harder to get the one-pail 1027 00:34:43,670 --> 00:34:45,049 shower, then we certainly worked 1028 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:47,069 harder, because it's 1029 00:34:47,070 --> 00:34:48,070 a lot of water. 1030 00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:50,888 Let me take it and then let me ask 1031 00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:52,888 you, your father is 1032 00:34:52,889 --> 00:34:54,789 under the impression that 1033 00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:56,589 your attitude toward water was 1034 00:34:56,590 --> 00:34:58,409 forever changed by 1035 00:34:58,410 --> 00:35:00,429 how precious water was up here, 1036 00:35:00,430 --> 00:35:01,739 do you think that's true? 1037 00:35:01,740 --> 00:35:02,559 I do. 1038 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,839 I have to say that I think, 1039 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,099 as I think back to it, 1040 00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:10,019 when we were growing up and 1041 00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:11,799 not knowing that in order to use 1042 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,619 water you actually had to go get 1043 00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:16,499 the water and that there was 1044 00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:17,959 no place that you were just going to 1045 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,779 turn on a faucet and there would be 1046 00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:20,719 water. 1047 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,919 So that we had to get the the water. 1048 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,999 Every time we were going to wash 1049 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,579 dishes and we had to heat it up and 1050 00:35:25,580 --> 00:35:27,499 we had do things with the water 1051 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,419 first before you were going use the 1052 00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:30,259 water. 1053 00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:32,119 So I do think it made you think of 1054 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,839 water in a completely different way 1055 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,659 than if you were in a city and you 1056 00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:36,919 just turn on the faucet and you 1057 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,359 don't even know where the water 1058 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,219 comes from. 1059 00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:42,099 So I think the fact that 1060 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,800 we knew this was our water. 1061 00:35:46,530 --> 00:35:48,149 How does he do this? 1062 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:49,429 Is that cut? 1063 00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:51,749 He always makes people cry. 1064 00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:53,729 That's really bad. 1065 00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:55,309 Okay, I'm not gonna cry. 1066 00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:56,149 Okay, starting over. 1067 00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:58,249 But I'm counting on you to cry a 1068 00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:59,510 little bit more. 1069 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,179 Okay, sorry. 1070 00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:04,079 Now I think knowing that water, that 1071 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,819 we knew where the water came from 1072 00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:07,759 and it came up out 1073 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,760 of our. 1074 00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:11,829 Out of our land. 1075 00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:14,289 It just made it so much more. 1076 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,520 Stop, we have to stop again. 1077 00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:45,729 Now, we have quite a 1078 00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:45,790 bit of 1079 00:37:45,791 --> 00:37:47,559 We have a bunch of slides though. 1080 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,799 I'm looking at the different ages, 1081 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,459 so I've got uncovered for 1082 00:37:52,460 --> 00:37:53,460 a child.