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Okay, I'm rolling again.

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Am I still out of your spot?

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As a complete aside, I taught

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philosophy at the university for 30

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All right. Next let's cut again.

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Am I rolling? All right, so this is

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a second interview shot.

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Let me know when you're ready.

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Gary, can you clap like this?

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So we're good?

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OK, we'll

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come back. So Mia, why don't you

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tell me about your spices

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that your mom used.

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They, my mother

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didn't use a

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lot of fancy spices.

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Onion was very popular because we

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grew our own onions, used a lot o'

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onions.

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And salt, of course, was necessary.

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number one, was

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the the number-one spice,

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if it is that I guess,

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that we might talk about.

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And my dad, I will never forget.

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He would, in the morning, have two

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eggs. He had two eggs forever.

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so covered with pepper, they

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looked black.

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He liked pepper, and

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my mother knew he liked pepper.

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So pepper was a part of a lot

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of our seasoning.

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cinnamon, cinnamon rolls were

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a very important part of what

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she made.

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But there were no fancy

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spices.

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Because there was no.

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for example, and I had no such a

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thing as that.

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Why don't you, since we're just on

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that line, why don't you tell me a

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little bit about the importance

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of her using like a fat, like a

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butter or a lard, how important that

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was to the cooking.

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that she used a lot of, especially

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for frying things, and that

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was butter.

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The fact that we had a dairy farm

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and had all the butter we

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wanted, that was important.

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also used lard.

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using lard and

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making the crust and all of that,

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and said that that was the only way

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to do it.

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There wasn't any of this spray

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stuff that you use today or.

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that. It was just butter and lard

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of the very important

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cooking items was a cast

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iron skillet.

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so many things in

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that big cast iron skillet,

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lard in the bottom or butter in the

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bottle, pancakes coming

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up, pork chops coming up.

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Oh, I can smell all that today.

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Let's go back to how we're going to

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open this show. Why don't you,

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again, I know you gave me

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a great intro, give me again an

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abbreviated biography of your mom.

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My mother was born

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in the United States.

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a farm near Kelner,

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and that was near Wisconsin Rapids.

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on the home farm married to

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my father, four and a half miles

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west of Wildrose.

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plus years on this farm before

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they moved to Wildrose in

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their retirement.

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Tell me about, okay,

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so, let's move on to

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when you guys found or

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you came across your mother's

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recipe book and tell me

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about just the members associated

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with that and then how you and Susie

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or you decided what are we going to

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do with this?

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When my when my mother passed

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something with everything that we

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found, as to maybe the polite way

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of saying it.

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materials that we've found was

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this recipe box that I

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remember from a kid,

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a little white recipe box.

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full of pieces

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of paper, recipes,

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notes, all kinds

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of things. And I began looking at

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that and I said, Susie

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maybe somebody would be interested

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in this. And she said, well,

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maybe.

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they lacked directions.

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were a cook, you would know

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how to run a wood-burning

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cook stove.

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My mother's assumed that if you are

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baking pie, you knew how

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much wood to put in the stove.

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Well, who today can

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translate what

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a piece of pine

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wood would create against

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what the temperature ought to

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be for baking a pie?

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And so what we had done, Susie and I

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agreed that maybe these

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recipes might

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jar in my bring a story.

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It doesn't take much.

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did, of course.

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There were recipes around

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Thanksgiving, around Christmas,

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around Easter, around thrashing,

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around all of that sort of thing.

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good stories.

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And Suzy agreed.

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recipes into today's

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language so today's

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cook could know what

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a pinch of salt

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might mean, what a

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might be, and so

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on these recipes and I began working

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on the stories, but this little

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recipe box was the key to

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it all.

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It was the motherlode.

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also it was where

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we could identify

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what went on

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during a certain time in

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the history of our family

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and in the state.

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Meaning, what was it

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like in the 1930s

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when the Big Depression was on,

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and the 1940s when World

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War II was on?

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food perspective?

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And for me, that was an interesting

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angle, because food

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has been and continues to be a

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part of our lives, that's how we

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stay going.

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And what was it like during the 30s

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and 40s?

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What was the place of food

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during the Depression?

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Were we without, as

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so many people were?

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World War II when sugar

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was not available?

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All of that was wrapped up

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in that little box

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that we found when my mother

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Great. I'm going to have you say

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that one more time, a little bit

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shorter.

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could make sure you say, my

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daughter, Suzy.

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So we make sure that we have the

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relationship.

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So whenever you're ready.

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when my mother died in 1993,

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we found this little recipe box.

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My daughter Susie and I began

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to look at it.

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saw history, I saw history.

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Susie was interested,

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she wanted to know more about

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what was the place

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of food during the Great Depression

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and during World War II, because

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that's the time.

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Of this recipe box.

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And so I saw stories,

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Susie saw the potential

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for translating these recipes.

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So today's

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cook could see

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and could practice what my

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mother had done using today's

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utensils, using todays

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ranges of cooking

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ranges and so on.

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Okay, can you do it one more time?

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One more time.

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No, you're doing great.

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There's like part of it here and

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there. I just want to have it one

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time.

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Are you ready for one more time?

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my mother, whose name was

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Eleanor, passed

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away.

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And when she passed, my daughter

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Susie and I found her

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little white recipe box.

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we looked at each other and said, I

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think there's maybe a book here.

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I saw stories as I

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looked at those recipes.

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Suzy saw the opportunity to

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translate the recipes into today's

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language so today's cook

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could prepare the food

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that we had enjoyed

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during the Great Depression and

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That was great.

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That's as brief as that sketch.

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No, no, that was great.

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You guys heard anything that

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he said or anything pop

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in your head or any other areas?

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Again, sometimes you're hearing this

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and you're like, I want to know more

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about that.

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One thing that you talked about, you

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talked about it the first time.

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Remember, your mom was saying how

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she would store

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the temperature, to find the

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temperature she stuck her hand in,

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was that? Oh, we did get that.

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We got that.

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Well, we can do that.

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No, we got that already.

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You have it already?

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I sometimes forget where our stories

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are being told.

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No, no, we've got all that,

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actually.

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No, no, we've got all that. I've
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segment about the whole wood thing,

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and so is there anything else that

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you wanted to say or cover or

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before we wrap today?

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I hope

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it becomes clear that

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the importance of

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food in our lives

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and in the lives of many during

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that time, food was

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more important than merely

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nutrition.

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Food was an opportunity

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to socialize.

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Food was a trigger for

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stories.

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Food

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made life.

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During those tough years

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of the Depression and

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World War II, irritable.

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The role of food was so

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much more than just something

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to eat.

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What do you hope that someone

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who is looking through your

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enthusiast book, what do you hope

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the book does for them?

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What response would you like them to

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get as they look through your book?

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I would hope that people

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watching this program

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and reading my book would

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see food as something more

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than just something to eat.

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That food had a sociological

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dimension, a philosophical

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dimension, a

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spiritual dimension.

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Food was so

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much more.

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And food during those days.

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During those years,

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played all of these roles,

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even if you were to ask someone.

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As I just explained, to

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say what food was doing for them,

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they would have difficulty doing

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it, but they knew,

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deep down they knew

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that it was taking place.

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Would you hope that if you

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could state somehow that you would,

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I would assume you would hope that

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someone's reading through this book

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that it would evoke their own

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memories of their own

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relatives or grandmothers.

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For all of my work that

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I've done, and I've been at it for a

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very long time.

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My hope is that

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I might trigger in

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someone's mind, oh, I remember

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a funeral that I went to that

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was something like this,

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or I remember sauerkraut

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sizzling in

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a cast iron skillet,

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Or I remember

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the year that we butchered

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a pig and howled.

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Sweet those pork chops

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were.

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I get that all the time now

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and I want to continue

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helping people see

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their lives in a way that may have

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been different from how they've

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been seeing them in the past.

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That's good.

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I'm good. We got it.

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Thank you, Jerry. That's awesome.

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That was great.

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The chuck will be in the mail.

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What? Some lines on it.

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Oh, sure. Yeah.

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Can we just get 30 seconds?

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We have shared.

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We have 30 seconds of quiet.

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Good? All right, we're good!

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Yay!

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Okay, we'll see you on Saturday.