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Okay, rolling again.

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Let me just go out of your spot.

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As a complete aside, I taught

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philosophy at the university for 30

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can do that.

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Yeah, you don't know what it's like.

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Look, look, look.

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All right. Make sure it's cut again

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when we get it.

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Alright, so this is

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a second interview shot.

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Let me know when you're ready.

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You do it as a clap.

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Clap?

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Jerry, can you clap like this?

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So we're good? Yep.

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We'll come back. So here, why don't

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you tell me about your spices

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that your mom used.

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My mother didn't use

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a lot of fancy spices.

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Onion was very popular because we

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grew our own onions, used a lot on

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onions, and salt

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of course was necessary.

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But pepper was the

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number one, it was

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the no.

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1 spice, if it is

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that I guess, that we might talk

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about. And my dad, I will

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never forget.

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He would, in the morning, have two

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eggs. He had two eggs forever.

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so covered with pepper, they

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looked black.

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He liked pepper, and

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my mother knew he liked pepper.

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So pepper was a part of a lot

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of our seasoning.

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cinnamon, cinnamon rolls were

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a very important part of what

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she made.

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But there were no fancy

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spices.

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Because there was no.

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for example, and no such a thing as

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that.

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Why don't you, since we're just on

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that line, why don't you tell me a

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little bit about the importance

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of her using like a fat, like a

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butter or a lard, how important that

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was to the cooking.

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that she used a lot of, especially

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for frying things, and that

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was butter.

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The fact that we had a dairy farm

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and had all the butter we

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wanted, that was important.

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We also used lard.

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She baked pies

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using lard and

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making the crust and all of that,

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and said that that was the only way

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to do it.

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There wasn't any of the stuff that

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you use today or...

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There wasn't any margarine, nothing

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like that. It was just butter and

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lard were the two things that

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very important

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cooking items was a cast

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iron skillet.

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She prepared everything,

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so many things in that

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big cast iron skillset.

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Lard in the bottom or butter in the

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bomb, pancakes coming

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up, pork chops coming up.

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Sauerkraut sizzling.

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Oh, I can smell all of that today.

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Let's go back to how we're going to

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open this show once you again, I

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know you gave me a great

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intro. Give me an abbreviated

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biography of your mom.

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My mother was born

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in the United States,

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my grandparents had come from

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Germany.

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a farm near Kellner,

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and that was near Wisconsin Rapids.

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She spent most of her time on

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the home farm married to my father,

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four and a half miles west of

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Wildrose. She spent 50

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plus years on this farm before

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they moved to Wild Rose and

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their retirement.

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1993.

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Tell me about, okay,

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so, let's

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move on to when you guys

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found or you came

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across your mother's recipe

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book. Okay.

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members associated with that and

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then how you and Susie or you

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decided what are we going to do with

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this?

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Sure.

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When my mother passed

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away,

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we were responsible for

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doing something with everything

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that we found, as to maybe the

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polite way of saying it.

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materials that we've found was

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this recipe box that I

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remember from a kid,

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a little white recipe box.

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full of pieces

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of paper, recipes,

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notes, all kinds

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of things. And I began looking at

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that and I said, Susie!

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in this. And she said, well, maybe.

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they lacked directions.

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My mother assumed if you

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were a cook, you would know

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how to run a wood-burning

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cook stove.

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My mother's assumed that if you are

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baking pie, you knew how

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much wood to put in the stove.

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Well, who today?

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a piece of pine

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wood would create against

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what the temperature ought

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to be for baking a pie.

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And so what we had done, Susie and I

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agreed that these

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recipes might

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jar in my memory a

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story.

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Well, it doesn't take much, but

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it did, of

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course. There were recipes around

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Thanksgiving, around Christmas,

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around Easter.

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Round thrashing around, all of that

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sort of thing, all the

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meat of good stories.

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And Suzy agreed.

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To translate these

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recipes into today's

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language so today's

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cook could know what

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a pinch of salt

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might mean, what a

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medium oven

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might be, and so

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on these recipes, and I began

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working the stories, but

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this little recipe box was the

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key to it all.

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It was the motherlode.

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Of stories, and

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also it was where

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we could identify

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what went on

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during a certain time in

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the history of our family

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and in the state.

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Meaning, what was it

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like in the 1930s

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when the big depression was on,

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and the 1940s when World

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War II was on?

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What was it like from a

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food perspective?

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For me, that was an interesting

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angle because food

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has been and continues to be a

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part of our lives.

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That's how we stay going.

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What was it like during the 30s

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and 40s?

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What was the place of food

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during the Depression?

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Were we without, as

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so many people were?

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How did we make do during World

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War II when sugar was

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not available?

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All of that was wrapped up

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in that little box

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that we found when my

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mother passed away

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in 1993.

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Great. I'm going to have you say

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that one more time, a little bit

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shorter, and I'd like you just,

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if you could make sure you say, my

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daughter, Suzy.

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So we make sure that we have the

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relationship, so whenever you're

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ready.

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when my mother died in 1993,

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we found this little recipe box.

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My daughter Susie and I began

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to look at it.

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I saw history.

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Susie was interested,

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she wanted to know more about what

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was the place of food during

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the Great Depression and during

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World War II, because that's the

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time. Of this recipe box.

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And so I saw stories,

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Susie saw the potential

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for translating these recipes.

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So today's

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cook could see

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and could practice what my

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mother had done using today's

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utensils, using todays

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ranges, cooking

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ranges and so on.

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Okay, can you do it one more time?

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One more time.

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One more time.

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Take three.

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No, you're doing great.

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There's like part of it here and

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there. I just want to have this one

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more time

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Are you ready for one more time?

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In 1993,

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my mother, whose name was

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Eleanor,

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passed away.

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And when she passed, my daughter

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Susie and I found her

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little white recipe box.

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we looked at each other and said, I

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think there's maybe a book here.

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I saw stories as I

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looked at those recipes.

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Susie saw the opportunity to

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translate the recipes into today's

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language so today's cook

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could prepare the food

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that we had enjoyed

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during the Great Depression and

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during World War II.

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Great, wonderful.

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That's as brief as that gets.

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heard anything that he

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said or anything caught in your head

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or any other areas?

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Again, sometimes you're hearing this

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and you're like, I want to know more

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about that.

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And one thing that I don't know if

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you talked about it the first time

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remember your mom was saying how she

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Would stole the temperature to find

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a temperature. She stuck her hand in

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was that

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Oh, we did get that.

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We got that.

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Wow, we can do that.

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Yeah, no, we got you.

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You have

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You have it already?

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I sometimes forget where our stories

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are being told.

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No, no, we've got...

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No, no, we've got all that actually.

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We've got a great segment about the

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whole thing.

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And so, is there anything else that

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you wanted to say or cover or

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before we wrap today?

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I hope

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it becomes clear that

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the importance of

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food in our lives

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and in the lives of many during

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that time, food was

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more important than merely

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nutrition.

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Food was an opportunity

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to socialize.

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Food was a trigger for

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stories. Turk food

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made life

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during those tough years

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of the depression and

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World War II, terrible.

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The role of food was so much

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more than just something

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to eat.

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What do you hope that someone

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who is looking through your

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and Susie's books, what do you hope

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the book does for them?

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What response would you like them

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to get?

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I would hope that people

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watching this program

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and reading my book

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would see food as

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something more than

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just something to eat.

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That food had a sociological

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dimension, a philosophical

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dimension, and

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a spiritual dimension.

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Food was so

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much more.

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And food during

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those days.

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During those years,

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played all of these roles,

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even if you would ask someone.

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As I just explained,

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to say what food was doing for them,

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they would have difficulty doing

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it, but they knew,

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deep down they knew

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that it was taking place.

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Do you hope that if you

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could state somehow that you would,

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I would assume you would hope that

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someone's reading through this book,

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that it would evoke their own

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memories of their own relatives

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or family.

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For all of my work that

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I've done. And I've been at it for a

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very long time.

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My hope is that

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I might trigger in

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someone's mind, oh, I remember

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a funeral that I went to that

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was something like this.

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Or I remember sauerkraut

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sizzling in

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a cast iron skillet.

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Or, I Remember the

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year that we butchered a

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pig and howl?

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Sweet those pork chops

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were.

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I get that all the time now

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and I want to continue

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helping people see

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their lives in a way that may have

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been different from how they've

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been seeing them in the past.

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That's good.

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I'm good. We got it.

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Thank you, Jerry. That's awesome.

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It's great.

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The check will be in the mail.

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Oh sure yeah,

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we have

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30 seconds of quiet, please

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Good, all right, we're good, yay.

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Okay, we'll.

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Okay, we'll see you on the Saturday.