Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Hey everybody.
Thank you.
How's it going?
I'm good.
I'm good, speaking for myself.
I'm good too.
I feel good.
All right, call the meeting to
order.
Naomi, you are first.
Okay, just we
have all members present, which is
great. No one virtual on the line.
Just a quick note from the
subcommittee meetings. We did have a
revised motion that was brought up
in the administrative affairs
subcommittee. It was, it
failed. And then all members voted
unanimously for the item on the
agenda as drafted.
So I think we're ready to proceed
though as
with the items on the agendas.
Thank you.
Okay, let's have a roll call,
please.
For our governor Evers.
Senator Papp.
Yes. Senator Pelton.
Here.
Senator Jack. Here.
Representative Billings.
Here Representative Swearington.
Here Representative Whitkey.
Here Bob Worcester.
Here of Quorum is present.
Great Okay,
first item on the agenda is
approval of the previous meeting
minutes for the 6th of August.
Do we have a motion?
Motion by sergeant.
Okay, do we have a second?
Second.
Motion and a second
any discussion on that?
Hearing none,
all those in favor by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed.
Motion carries.
All right, to the
subcommittees, Administrative
Affairs, Senator Paff,
we'll turn it over to you for the
Administrative affairs and
let's
get going.
Good to see you.
Good to be here.
The Administrative Affairs
Subcommittee met earlier this
morning to take up Action Items
Number 1 through 14,
as well as other different items 23
and 24, and the following
actions occurred.
The first item on the agenda is Item
Number 1 for the Wisconsin
Department of Administration of
building trust funds released for
the new National Atmospheric
Deposition Water at
the Wisconsin State Lab of
Hygiene. This item passed
with unanimous consent during our
subcommittee, and I will so move.
There's a motion.
Is there a second?
Seconded by Roskosti.
We have a motion and a second.
Any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Those opposed, nay.
Motion carries.
So that item on the agenda is item
number two for the Wisconsin
Department of Administration,
various all-agency projects.
This item passed with unanimous
consent during the subcommittee, and
I would so move.
Motion is there a second?
Second.
Senator Schaffer.
Thank you.
Discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Bye.
The vote is motion carried.
The next item on the agenda is item
number three for the Wisconsin
Department of Corrections
Realignment DTF
Release an Alternative Delivery
Waiver.
This item passed when you manned
consent during subcommittee.
I so move.
Is there a motion,
excuse me, is there a second?
Your motion and a second.
Any discussion?
Thank you, Governor.
I would move to approve
request number three,
but would renew my motion
to include the use of an
alternative, including the use
an alternative instruction manager
delivery method, but require
the Department of Corrections to add
at least all of the following
projects in the DOC realignment
planning project for which the $15
million in building trust funds is
released.
One, expansion of the Tehchina
Correctional institution, two,
expansion of medium and minimum
security beds at the Jackson
Correctional Institution,
and three, closure of the Green Bay
Correctionals Institution no later
than December 31, 2029.
We have a motion, we have a second.
I will second that.
Thank you.
We motion in a second, any
discussion on this motion?
Yes.
Do you have a copy of that motion?
Do you have a doorknob?
Anybody else need a do-
Thank you.
Here we go.
Any discussion?
Sure, if I could speak to the
motion, Governor. Sure.
The motion you have before you
is, I think, exceedingly modest in
that we are asking for two
facilities in addition to
six that are before us.
So we're not taking anything out of
the table.
We're merely asking that.
Any ideas from our side
of the aisle have the option
to be considered at some point
in the process It's very clear.
Nothing is going to move forward
this session or in the future
without some sort of
bipartisan consensus, and
I just see this as
a
Very modest ask and I
would ask for the consideration
of members of the Commission to at
least allow for
those conversations that we've
already had to actually be
given a voice in getting good
planning data to be able to move
forward.
Further discussion?
Yes, Senator.
So I think we
know the Department of
Corrections has had
its challengers for well
over 16 to 20 years,
if not longer.
We know that we have overcrowding.
In fact, our male
facilities are at 134%
capacity.
Our female facilities,
169% capacity
We have very aging, deteriorating
facilities.
In 2024, we have
deaths of inmates and
the death of a YC, Cory
Koo, on 6-24,
2024, at Lincoln Hills.
We know that within this building,
both sides of the aisle, whether
they're Democrats,
Republicans, We have a lot of
people that are very passionate with
a lot of very good ideas
and a lot research going into
how to move forward
on the realignment
of the Department of Corrections.
And there's a lot things in your
proposal, Governor, that a lot
people agree with, but not all.
And I think
If we had there been
a committee put together
of legislators,
as well as
DOC staff,
we could have came together with
a proposal on
realigning all
these facilities.
That would have been workable for
all.
Without releasing 700
medium-security people
back into society
who have not had the
program necessary,
but they should have for
an early release program,
and reducing beds without the
future numbers that we know we need
to do that,
and would have had a workable We'll
pause a moment and we'll just read
out.
Instead of a take-and-relieve
proposal.
And I agree with the Senator, Jack,
that this isn't a drastic addition
to the proposal that you have.
This expansion at Cheetah and
at Jackson Correctional
would allow for
additional beds for human security
people and for our females
without disruption.
And I don't think that it's a lot to
ask.
And I think we could have ongoing
conversations
so that the next administration
is better prepared
to proceed with
a realignment that is workable for
all.
And I would hope that
we can be a little bit more
open-minded to all
working together for
an end result, because
we know that it takes
both sides to enumerate and
to get this done.
So I would like to see in a
bipartisan effort today,
I would love to see this motion
adapted.
Thank you.
Other discussion?
Well, I'll be voting no on the
motion.
I just received a no.
So I understand your
current them.
Let's work together on
this. And let's do more of that in
the future.
But I can't vote yes on the
notion that I just receive two
minutes ago.
Yes, Senator.
Thank you, Governor.
I guess I would,
I know we are under constraints in
terms of the way that we're able to
communicate with each other due to
the miscellaneous membership of this
commission.
I had hoped that perhaps that
leadership would come from the
Governor based on communication
that I actually have directed
with the Governor going back
at least a week ago.
And
I...
I guess that would be one of my
points is that this
would be a question for the
governor.
What in the
underlying motion
incorporates any feedback
from the majority party
legislators.
Throughout the budget process, and
what has been incorporated from
the inputs there. I appreciate the
Department of Corrections, I think
in good faith has reached out.
I've enjoyed those conversations,
whether in my office or with
other legislators, again, during the
budget processes.
And again, I the $15 million was
put forward with the idea that there
could be a collaborative process.
That's not in what was
brought forward to the Building
Commission. And so I
guess, unless I'm mistaken,
if you could please tell the
Governor what...
What did you incorporate that was
not just your original proposal?
What is, ask that
question again, so I can answer.
I think what's
been made clear through the letter
that I received from Zach Madden
in your office is that you are
not willing
to consider the ideas
that we had brought
forward during the budget process,
specific to,
and again, Jackson Correctional was
originally built with the intention
of being expanded, but
we mentioned Prairie du Chien.
We mentioned.
Well, and obviously teach you,
because we need
to address the female capacity
of the law.
Thank you.
We're not looking to take
any of your ideas off
the table.
We're just looking to not
have our ideas precluded
from discussion in terms of having
good data to be able to...
Your ideas will be.
But they're not included in
the scope,
the totality of 50 million is being
released for.
It is released so that
the people in
the administration have
the opportunity to
bring people in to
talk about what can actually
work. I mean, if
you think that from
the proposal we
had is the
end all.
It doesn't say that any place.
Basically this is to release
the money so that
we can finally get this
project going.
Simple as that.
Now I know that
there is interest in
other options
and those other options
will be discussed
during, could
you me out what exactly
is going to happen.
Yes, thank you Governor.
So the release of this funding will
allow us to bring an AEA record
on board, and it will allow to bring
in a construction manager.
Those companies will help us
further work
through the details of the plan,
consider alternatives, shore up
the information, further define,
in order to develop an
actual design, a preliminary design
that we can put forth for
to help inform the enumeration
and then after that
that same team will go
to work to develop the actual
design for authority to
construct.
Both times that will come back to
the Building Commission for your
consideration and approval.
This money right now is just to
start the planning process as the
budget had directed us to do and
the governor's plan is a starting
point for that planning process.
Thank you.
That's good.
Thank you.
So, Governor, when you say that,
and Naomi, so the design
team,
whom is deciding
and whom from the
legislature and
the majority party will be included
in that conversation.
Certainly it's part of this
committee. I mean, this is
the first of probably
two or three
Further things that people
have to
So I guess my question's elaborate a
little bit harder on that.
So once you are finished with your
design, we'll bring it back here for
an up or down vote.
But no one will be included from
what I'm hearing from you as to
what buildings will be,
how we move forward.
Because right now, you have 1,000
people in
maximum security.
There are medium security who
are not in the programming needs.
I understand.
I understand that.
Who is making the decisions
on what we're closing down,
where we're expanding,
and who's making those decisions?
Are you including anybody that's
been working on this from the
majority and the minority parties
inside this building, or is
that just a design team at
Building Commission making those
decision?
That team will be
will be working with all
legislators.
I mean, here's the deal,
I haven't been around long enough.
I was on a committee that,
when I was state superintendent, and
we were talking about how we
can change the
corrections and what had to be done.
There are some specifics there too,
but we didn't, we never got to
this point because we never had a
vote like this.
This is important for the state of
Wisconsin to understand
that we are serious
about this project.
We will continue, you know, you have
my word, I'm here for another year
and several months.
And you have mine.
My promise to you is that
this is one step of
many.
And that step will include all
the legislators that wanna be
involved. We've tried to do that
in the past.
What we have thus far
didn't come just from us,
it came from other legislators.
And so we're hoping for that
to happen going forward.
So I'm going to just reiterate, and
you tell me if I have this right.
So, I have had a number
of studies that I've worked on in
directions reform.
Representative Stubbs has been on
that.
Representative, former Representative
Gorky, former Representative
Todd, and many others.
I know Senator Jack has been very
involved in it.
Senator Wontar has been involved in
that. Representative Warren, there's
a lot of us that care a lot about
this. This goes on both sides of
the aisle.
So we have your word today,
Governor, that we are going to be
included.
In how we go about
moving forward on this.
Because there's a lot of us that
feel it's very important
to these thousand inmates that
you have in a maximum
security situation that are not
getting the programming that they
need today to be eligible
for earned release.
They're going to include us
in the design and how
you're going structure so that they
get the programming they need.
Before this comes back to the
building commission and you just
say here's the here's a proposal
Yes, so we heard that here today
Thank you
I have a question for Naomi,
something I forgot during my
briefing that just came up as I'm
looking at this.
So when you ask for alternate
delivery, is
that alternate delivery in
totality for the entire
project, or if it breaks down
into 10 individual projects,
would we see alternate delivery for
each of the 10? Does that cover that
with this?
Yes, the alternative deliveries for
all the projects within the DOC
realignment and it's part of the
reason for the alternative delivery
because there's going to be so many
moving parts and that firm will help
manage all of that. Thank you for
clarifying.
Okay, we have a motion.
Yes, sir.
Governor,
I'm hearing some things for the
first time, and so I
haven't shared this with my
colleagues, but I...
I'd be willing to amend my
motion if we're
truly looking at
other options,
to simply state that this
planning line would be for other
options beyond the
six that are specifically listed.
My concern is that,
again, without consulting an
attorney here, the scoping
is clear in request that
the only projects that they feel
they could come back to us with in
terms of getting approval for
would be those
that are specifically living
here.
So I mean, I
just, you know, I'm very encouraged
to hear that there's the ability
that, you know, consider
something other than
justice. I mean again, no problem
at all considering the six letter
before us.
But if there's, I am willing
to leave it more generic
in terms of
that $50 million could be used for,
Again, this is a collaborative
approach that hopefully will lead us
to getting something fruitful by the
end of the session.
We'll get something
fruitful.
I'm not making any
promises that I haven't made thus
far. We've got to get this damn
thing done.
That's the bottom line.
That's what the proposal is.
You've heard my statements.
People will be involved.
We have to get in the
hands of some people that can
help us finalize this
project.
So we have a motion.
Is there a second?
Five seconds.
I was real careful.
So this is a roll call vote on the
revised motion that senator jock
correct so governor evers
no senator papp no
senator calzkowski yes
senator joch yes representative
billings no representative
swearington yes representative
witke
Yes.
The revised motion fails
with a 4-4 vote.
Okay, we're back
to the original one.
Is that correct?
Have you made that motion already?
Yes, we have a motion on this.
We have a
and a roll call hold.
Okay, Governor Ebert.
Sorry, could I have a discussion on
the, you know, emotion?
Thank you Governor.
I mean certainly, while
I'm encouraged with some of the
discussion, I am also concerned that
we are now tying the hands
of whoever we select as
the construction manager for this
project.
As I've stated a number of times
in these Building Commission
meetings for the last five years,
as long as I've been a member,
it's a matter of when, not if, the
next catastrophic situation occurs.
So what does that have to do with
the project manager?
Help me understand.
It doesn't have anything to do with
the project manager.
Well, of course, I'm concerned about
horrible things happening in our
correctional institutions, too.
So is your issue, what
is your issues specifically?
Or is this just going to be a
conversation about how
God-awful the corrections system
is?
No, my concern
is that I
feel like we have,
again, the side
of the plow I had without
without the opportunity for
compromise.
And I just
think that
if we do not have a good process
at the beginning.
Again, I think we had the makings of
a good start with the conversations
with the Department of Corrections.
When I conversed with
Zach Madden for your office, he had
written, without bipartisan support,
the planning work will not result in
actionable or sustainable outcomes,
and it will only further delay the
state's ability to close GVCIA.
I guess I've seen.
Your office is unwilling to
participate in that collaboration,
basically saying that.
Our office and DOC are committed
to working with the legislature to
get the support for the funding of
necessary capital projects,
implement statutory changes related
to policy reform, and
identify areas where adjustments and
compromise can occur.
But if that were the case,
I don't think you would have been
sending press releases with demands
before that disaster date.
What press
release was that?
That was the press release that came
out from your office regarding
this item for the building
commission before any of us
as members of the building
commission had an opportunity to see
that item, be briefed on it,
even though I had selected one of
the earliest briefing times, and
before Department of Corrections
had an opportunities to meet with me
again regarding what their plans
were for using the planning dollars.
Again, and they kind of even
apologized for this.
But it would make a lot of sense if
you're going to talk to the
legislature about getting approval
for the use of planning dollars.
That you would have a conversation
with the legislature before
saying, you better approve
while we're going spend these
planning dollars, before you
even had a conversation to let us
know what you're looking to include
in that.
I mean, that's not just putting a
carpet before the horse.
I'll tell you what,
talk about having
it take too long.
As I said, I was
I was state superintendent
when Scott Walker was
governor.
We were talking about the same
stuff.
Now we're trying not to shove
down anybody's throat, anything.
The bottom line for me always
has been, let's just get
it done.
I believe what's
in the proposal we're going
to be voting on now will
allow us to do that.
Will it change the conversation
at some point in time?
Of course.
The legislature sends me bills
and I decide whether I'm going to
sign them or not.
But at the end of the day if
we if we start in
this in this effort
to Let's
say, okay, you're right, I should
have said something different,
so we'll come back
next month, or maybe two months.
We have an opportunity now
to fix the correction
system.
You've heard that the
secretary, he's talked
to legislators.
We will continue to talk to the
legislators.
And guess what?
At the end of the day, this is
going to come back to you.
And you will make those decisions.
In this body.
Follow through on it.
It's pretty, you know,
I know that we're trying to
make a point here
that Evers is just going
roughshod over the legislature.
The bottom line is we can pass this,
you can do something the next day,
and I'll have to figure out whether
I sign it or not.
So let's just get something goddamn
done here, please.
We could talk about this for a long
time.
I will not be responding anymore.
We've got to fix this system and we
have an opportunity now.
I agree with you Governor.
I have constituents who have
talked to me about young
people, young adults
who are in these facilities,
parents in my district.
I want to move forward.
So I understand
that there
might be some
hurt feelings about notice.
I understand them.
But the bottom line is our
constituents.
As Senator Foskowski said,
we need to move forward.
We need to address the issue.
I've been talking about this for 10
years, like most
of you.
And this is the time.
Our saying is releasing
VTF funds
to prepare the plans and
design and
hire a construction manager.
And I think that we can all get
behind this.
And so, and we can work together
going forward, but let's get it
started.
We need urgency.
Let's get started.
But with all due respect, I mean,
I'm looking to move forward.
I guess that's my concern is that
when the governor is talking about
setting up conversations for
the other things that we don't need
to occur in terms of enumeration,
in terms any statutory language,
we're only going to see projects
in the form that they were
originally presented.
No one's ever said that.
Any further discussion?
Welcome, everyone.
Okay, so this is back to the
original request that was entered in
your agenda.
Governor Evers. Yes.
Senator Papp.
Aye. Senator Feoskosky.
Aye.
Senator Schock.
Aye.
Representative Billings.
Aye.
Representative Swearingen.
Aye.
Representative Whitkey.
Aye. Barbara Wurster.
Aye. The motion carries.
Okay, the next item on the agenda is
item number four for the Wisconsin
Department of Corrections vocational
building and elevated walkway
replacement fox late correctional
institution.
This item has to be matched consent
during subcommittee.
I have it so moved.
We're out of motion, we'll
be back in just a second.
Thank you.
Any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
The next item on the agenda is item
number five, the Wisconsin
Department of Corrections, various
all-agency projects.
This item passed through the Manist
and Centenary Subcommittee,
and I do so move.
Remotion, do we have a second?
Thank you, John.
Thank you.
Any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
The next item on the agenda is item
number six, the Wisconsin Department
of Health Services, Food
Service Building Renovation.
This item passed with unanimous
consent here in the Senate
Committee, and I would so move.
In motion, do I have a second?
Thank you, John.
Thank you.
Any discussion?
If not, all those in favor signify
by saying aye.
Bye.
Opposed?
Motion carried.
The next item on the agenda is item
number seven for the Wisconsin
Department of Health Services.
An all-agency project at the
Northern Wisconsin Center.
This item passed through the Manston
Center and subcommittee, and
I will so move.
Is there a motion, or excuse me,
is there a second?
Thank you. Any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
I suppose motion carries.
The next item on the agenda is item
number 8, the response of the
Department of Natural Resources,
the Stewart Tunnel Repair
at Banger State Trail.
This item has to be announced and
sent during subcommittee, and I will
so move.
Is there a second?
Second check.
Thank you.
Discussion?
If not, all those in favor signify
by saying aye.
Opposed? Motion carries.
The next item on the agenda is item
number nine for the Wisconsin
Department of Natural Resources.
A building trust funds release with
a crammed in fire response
interstation replacement.
This item passed with a damage to
the century and subsequently that
was so moved.
Motion is heard.
Second? Second, Vice Chair.
Thank you.
Any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed? Motion carries.
The next item on the agenda is item
number ten for the Wisconsin
Department of Natural Resources and
all agency projects throughout
Sauk County.
This item passed unanimously during
the subcommittee and I would so
move.
In motion, is there a second?
Second check.
Thank you.
Any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed? Motion carries.
The next item on the agenda is item
number 11 for the Wisconsin
Department of Transportation and
All Agency Project at the Truax
Materials Lab.
This item passed from the Adamskin
Center and Subcommittee, and I
would so move.
Motion do we have a second
Thank you.
Discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
The next item on the agenda is item
number 12 for the Department
of Veterans Affairs Various
All-Agency Project.
This item passed with unanimous
consent during subcommittee, and
I so move.
The motion is here a second.
Thank you, Jack.
Thank you. Any discussion?
Hear none. All those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed? Motion carries.
And the final item on our agenda
is item number 13 for
the Wisconsin State Fair Park,
an all-agency project.
This item has been announced and
sent to the subcommittee, and I
will so move.
Is there a second?
Second post-posting.
Thank you.
Discussion.
All those in favor signify by
saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
Governor, I'm happy to say that that
concludes the administrative care
subcommittee.
Good work to you and your
committee.
The higher education subcommittee
met earlier this morning to take up
items 14 through 21
and up as well as
other business items 22 to
23 and the following actions
occurred.
First is item number 14
for UW-Green Bay South
Tower release.
This item passed with unanimous
consent from your subcommittee and I
move so moved.
So motion is there a second?
Second best way.
Cue any discussion
not all those
in favor signify by saying aye
opposed
Motion carries
The next item is item number 15
for UW-La Crosse, the Prairie Spring
Science Center phase two.
This item passed with unanimous
consent during Senate committee, and
I'm so moved.
There is a motion, is there a
second?
Is that good by some origin?
Super.
Any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Bye!
Opposed? Motion carries.
The next item is item number six.
How about that?
I would be hotly champion if it was
appropriate.
That's cool.
Sorry, sorry, go ahead.
Item number 16 for UW-Madison,
Pennsylvania Avenue property
acquisition.
This item moved to unanimous consent
during a subcommittee and I will so
move.
For motion, do I have a second?
Second by Wiki.
Thank you.
Any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed? Motion carries.
The next item is item number 17
for UW-Milwaukee, the Health
Sciences Renovation Project.
This item passed with unanimous
consent during subcommittee, and I
will so move.
Your motion, do I have a second?
Second go with you.
Thank you.
Any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
The next item is item number 18
for UW-Stevens Point, the Century
Hall Addition and Modernization
Project.
And this item passed with unanimous
consent during subcommittee and
I would so move.
So motion is there a second?
Second by Scranti.
If not, oh, any discussion,
sorry.
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Bye.
Pause, motion carries.
Next item is item number 19
for UW-Stout, an recreation
complex addition and renovation.
This item passed with unanimous
consent during subcommittee and I
move so moved.
There's a motion, is there a second?
Secondary wiki.
Thank you.
Discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
The next item is item number 20,
UW System 2025-27
Minor Facilities Renewal Program,
Groups 1 and 2.
This item passed with unanimous
consent of the subcommittee and I am
so moved.
Promotion. Do we have a second?
Any discussion?
None. All those in favor signify by
saying aye.
I won.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
The next item is item number 21
for UW System Various All Agency
Projects.
This item passed with unanimous
consent during subcommittee and I
would so move.
Remotion, do we have a second?
Thank you very much.
Any discussion?
Not. All those in favor signify
by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
And under other business, item
number 22,
design funds release.
This item passed in both
subcommittees with unanimous
consent, and I would so move.
We have motion, do we have a second?
Thank you very much.
The motion and a second, any
discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carried.
And our final item is
item number 23, the small
projects program you lose.
This item passed both subcommittees
with unanimous consent and I lose
so much.
In motion, do I have a second?
Second by waking.
We have a motion and a second.
Do we have any discussion?
Here and then all those in favor
signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
Thank you.
That's it.
Do you want to go to the next panel?
Sure.
Yesterday, I had the
benefit of going to the Milwaukee
Public Museum construction site
and doing the status so
far.
Contrary to what many might believe,
I think we invested $40 million.
A little comment tells me they did
$45 million.
But to see the work that's
being done in that building has
given me better
appreciation for the men and women
that work in the trades, for
those that manage these projects.
If you have a chance to go and
see what they're doing now, you
should go now before they
enclose everything.
I watched them set up a panel on the
top. It was absolutely fantastic.
So I'm hopeful that we can
get our best and
brightest contractors and
tradespeople involved in our state
building maybe to a greater extent.
Some have some trepidation as
to bidding on state work at
this time.
But it was an excellent experience.
Good comment.
Thanks.
Good way to end this conversation
today.
I try.
I see.
All right.
Well, I have another question.
We're good.
Nothing else on the agenda.
We are adjourned.
Thank you.