Hands, legs, fingers,
paw, polycoms.
Can they hear us now?
Becky, can you hear us or
Robert?
Yes, I can.
Perfect! Yay!
We did it!
Success.
Don't ask us how many degrees it
took.
You're the one who's got an ugly
shirt on. Sometimes while you're
having to do it, you're shaving with
your shoe.
I have occasionally done
that.
knowledge you got to either.
All right, so I'll kind of restart.
So there's been long-term sampling
by variety of different agencies on
Crescent Lake.
Looking at this figure here, you can
see routine monitoring throughout
the years.
You have the number of
age zero walleye in this dark blue,
number of age one walleye in this
light blue, this number per mile as
we go around the entire shoreline
electrofishing, whether it be Glyph
Lake, Mole Lake, or DNR.
You can see pretty consistent
recruitment.
getting age zero and age one, but
right around 2018, we haven't gotten
much since that point.
So we're kind of seeing a little bit
less reproduction and recruitment
going on there.
And what that
then means.
to the adult population
is it also had a pretty consistent
and healthy walleye fishery,
but we've seen with that failed
recruitment in 2022, we actually had
the lowest adult population
historically across
all of our surveys.
There was, it's slightly below
the 3.03
adults per acre
benchmark that's used for a healthy
sustainable walleye fishery, like
2.9.
So it's not super low, but with that
consistent failed recruitment that
adult population is still probably
decreasing.
So that's part of the concern there.
We're also seeing other changes
that are going on within Crescent
Lake. So looking at the bass,
largemouth bass and smallmouth bass,
we did a large fishing surveys
specifically focused on them
in 2010 and in 2022.
In 2010, we were actually unable
to get enough largemouth
bass to generate a population
estimate.
So that means there's very little in
there and you can see that catch per
hour is less than two.
So there's more or very few in
there. Jump to 2022,
we actually got a population
estimate of 7.4,
so increased dry spin.
You can also see that in the catch
per hour of our live
fishing. So you're seeing a big
increase in largemouth bass.
Smallmouth bass are pretty similar.
So in 2010, there was 1.3
per acre, and then 2022, there's
1.4. So smallmouth bass haven't
changed that much, and you can kind
of see that as well in the catch per
hour. So you're seeing a decrease in
the adult population of walleye and
an increase in the largemouth bass,
as well as you're seeing changes in
the bluegills and crappies, so other
pant fish within the system.
At that same bass survey, they
also focused on panfish.
So in 2010, they actually didn't
capture any black crappies and
relatively few bluegills.
Whereas you jump forward to 2022,
you see an increase in the number of
black crappies as well as a pretty
large increase in the bluegills.
So you're seeing some fish community
changes going on there
within that.
So as the DNR got
that information, we started
assessing all of the 2022
survey.
We were seeing some of these trends.
We wanted to report
that out and see if other people
were seeing similar trends.
So we reached out to Mole Egg,
Crescent Lake Association, Crescent
Lake District, as well as Great
Lakes and Union Fish and Wildlife
Commission to see if they were
seeing similar trends and get them
openly communicating about what's
going on and if what the DNR
was seeing was aligned with other
people we're seeing.
We actually wanted to see if that
would host or be part of a
public meeting.
So they were all supportive
of having a public meeting.
So on June 4th in 2024, we
actually hosted a public meeting to
discuss the walleye population,
as well as general trends that
other members or other users
of the lake were seeing.
All of those trends kind of aligned
with what the DNR was seeing.
So at that same meeting, we
discussed approach to potentially
rehabilitating.
rehabilitate the walleye population
called the walleyes like you're
concerned.
This model has been used on a
variety of other lakes.
So clearly and
Catherine within County are two
of those four lakes that are being
used. So we're applying that model,
which incorporates a variety of
different users groups to get their
opinions and ideas on what's going
on within the system and how we
can address those declines.
So we held that meeting on June 4th.
It seemed like everyone was
supportive of going down that route.
of a walleye lake of concerns
project, and they wanted action.
So with that, the DNR
started taking some action
based off that to rehabilitate
the walleye regulations and put
forth walleye
change in the walleye regulation
that's working its way through the
Wisconsin Conservation Congress
currently.
That is the rehabilitation
regulation of an 18 inch men
with a 22
to 28 protected slot
and only a one fish bag.
So that's currently working its way
through the Wisconsin Conservation
Congress. It'll be voted on on April
14th.
Is that the meeting?
The week of. The week of April 14th.
So if you want to vote on that, you
have the right there.
And along with that wallet
regulation, since we're taking
potential harvest away, we want to
provide other harvest opportunities.
So we're putting a more liberal
regulation on the large moth bass,
where it's going from that 18 inch
min and one bag to
a no minimum length limit to a
five bag. So we're taking some
potential harvests away, but you
provide another opportunity to
harvest. So we're making changes
both ways, or I shouldn't say
making, we're proposing to make
those changes because it's still got
to work its way through Wisconsin
Conservation Congress and get
support that way, not just making
those on our own.
But that's the process that takes a
little bit. and another portion
of the
WALA's electric stern project is
continuing monitoring.
So in 2024, MOLAC actually completed
a fall electrofishing survey and
they saw a very large
cohort of those age ones.
We didn't see any age zeros in 2023,
but we did stock extended growth
fingerlings in 2023.
So that large bump of age ones
in 2024 are likely from
stocking.
Olake shared that information with
the partner group, so myself as well
as Lake Association and Lake
District.
We had conversations on what kind of
can be done to protect
this in the meantime before
the regulation change is gone.
One of those actions that was
recommended was to
encourage catch and release.
So the Lake Association helped
the DNR as well as GLIFWC and
Olake put together.
real catch and release sign as
well as spread that information out
to their users.
So like dissociating like district
shared that information.
This sign was put up on
the boat ramp to
make everyone aware of this
partnership that's going on as well
as this rehabilitation program.
So encouraging catch and release
of walleye.
Along with that, there was more
discussions on how can we
further protect that big
cohort.
There is a way to change
the regulations from a special
regulation. So the current
regulation for wall
light on Crescent Lake is a special
regulation.
It's that no minimum length limit,
which is not seated territory
standard.
So the state can more quickly
change from a special
regulation to
a statewide regulation or seated
territory regulation, which the
seated territory regulation is that
15 inch men with a 20
to 24 protected slot.
So as you can see on this figure,
you have a 2022 and
2024 survey data,
a total number of measured, so the
number of fish handled and their
lengths right there.
So with the no minimum length
limit, a whole population is
exploitable. That doesn't mean
you're gonna keep fish all the way
down to eight inches, but I mean, if
someone wanted to, they could.
Whereas under the 15-inch
bin with a 20-24 protected slot,
you can only harvest 60, or only 64%
of that population is actually
harvestable. So you're reducing the
number of individuals that
potentially could be removed from
the population, as well as
protecting that upcoming
cohort of those age ones that
were captured in 2024.
It's kind of looking forward.
So like I said, we proposed the
18 inch to 20 or
the 18 inch minimum with a 22
to 28 protected
slot, the rehabilitation regulation
that's working its way through the
conservation Congress.
That doesn't necessarily mean to be
put in place. If it doesn't get
support there, it wouldn't go into
place. So getting this
15, if this 15 inch
seeded territory standard regulation
is supported, that would be in
place for a year.
Well, this regulation
works its way through the
conservation package.
If this isn't supported at the
Congress, then that 15-inch min,
if it was supported here, would
still be in place.
Does that make sense?
Let's just go back so you're saying
that the one that would
be up for the spring or the one
that's in there now started with a
14 inch.
No, the one that's working its
way through is an 18-inch
min.
So it would be this one, an 18-inch
min with a 22.
The current reg is a no min
with only 1 over 14
inches. Right.
But then what was the one that was
working its way through?
Looked like it was bowling in like
the spring period.
That's this one right here that
that was on that's what's good.
That's what's going to be on the
spring here.
Can you go back?
I'll bet you.
So, yeah, so what you're asking,
what we're proposing to do is change
the regulation temporarily to-
So this is the current regulation?
Yeah.
And then this is a proposed one
through the conservation containers.
Oh, OK.
And what we're proposing to do today
is temporarily change
it to protect it for the year while
we go through.
the proper process.
Oh, OK.
Because this wouldn't go into place
until 2026,
so this year would be
the fifth.
Yes.
One year.
So that's why we were getting
them three different.
You were saying to me, stop.
Yeah, go on.
Yeah, it's very confusing, because
you have like three different
regulations. You have the current
one, you'll have the one that
is being proposed,
this one will go in place
in 2026, if supported,
and then you have this other
regulation, this CEDA territory
standard, which would go
into place the start of
the endling year.
for Saturday.
I understand what you mean.
And.
With that, thank you as well as
my likes, Great Lakes, Lake
Association, Lake District, and
other stakeholders.
Happy to take any questions and
clear up anything or.
When there's a restriction like that
on the license,
do the Indian
bans that spear the lake,
do they also regulate
what their bag limit is?
I'm going to punt on that.
Send that back there, because
they're the ones who have a better
understanding of that.
Okay, so.
The biologists can
describe how they
get.
and we're allowed to catch.
So this year we're
allowed to
catch what, 320,
322.
But we're proposing to only
harvest.
Last year,
we were allowed to get about
the same, 319
or something.
And we harvested 90
out of that.
So we're going to decrease.
We're talking about a decrease.
We haven't had our fall
spirit meeting yet, but that's
what we're going to be talking
with our spirits about is to
restrict them to 60
laws for the...
for this year to come.
He said, it's nothing that
we're required to do
or under our model code,
we don't have to do that.
That's just something that we
want to do.
I mean, that's
one of our lakes that we harvest
too.
We don't want to clean up. We want
to make sure that
there's fish in there and try to
find out what's
happened, why the recruitment has
gone down to nothing.
Because. It's been a fantastic lake
for 40
years and there's always
been a fantastic walleye fishing
there and for the last
couple of years there hasn't been
any movement.
So let me explain last
year we've been
in.
But we're doing some lakes in
the mass.
And we've had some success.
However, some of that success
hasn't been there.
We're still working on it.
to explain to you some of the lakes
that we have worked on.
We've had a lot of success.
And then there's some lakes that
just we're still working on.
One night this year, we
put the artificial re-sand
as a way to
try and
rehabilitate the lake and get some
contra reduction back in the lake.
That's what we're going to pose to
our fishermen.
That is next week, isn't it?
Our meeting is next week.
This is kind of really good.
So those are the things that
we're going to do.
Yeah, so I guess last year they
already voluntarily reduced their
harvest before the anglers even
started to do that based off, I'm
assuming based off some of the
conversations we had with the
first Walla Lake Concerns meeting.
So they reduced their harvest
already. So the anglers take a
little bit longer to make those
sorts of changes through the
regulation process.
What was the recruitment for 24?
For age zero, none.
Age one from the
stocking was pretty good in
terms of
the actual number
per acre, or number per mile
for age one,
21, which is
the second highest that it had been
the entire history of
the lake.
as a result of this study.
Yes, most likely.
We can't say for certain because we
didn't take genetic samples to
confirm that, but not catching any
age zeros in the previous
year would likely indicate that
it came from stock.
is they're going to be planting this
year.
So it got stopped in 2023.
So it would
be on quotas for
2025.
It would be the extended drill, so a
little larger once again, yes.
For the quotas, yeah.
So your extended ones are
that 10-inch ones.
Let's see. Thanks for watching!
I was seven to nine,
but it's that general fraying at...
Well, I'll finish it when we...
Get here.
Ah, ah, ah, ah!
It depends on the reason.
I just have a follow-up question on
spearing.
So the females, obviously, are the
most important,
as I've never speared before.
I mean, I can tell the difference.
But again, how
do you control that?
And I don't really understand what
rules you have to abide by.
Is there any way to limit the amount
of females you're taking?
Those seem to be the most important.
So we can show you our data
on females,
diversity of males,
that, statewide, that
we harvest during the spring.
usually 85% male itself.
So there's two things that that
work in that favor.
So one is the behavior of the
walleye.
During spawning time, the males move
up and they kind of sit on the
spawning grounds and stay there.
Females kind of, they'll come up,
they'll drop eggs, and then they'll
move back off.
So the time they've spent...
part of it is regulatory.
So per permit,
spears allow one fish of any
size and one between 20 and
24 inches.
Permits are usually, what, 20 to
30? We have 30, yeah.
So a lot of times, those are bigger
females. So out of the 30 fish,
maybe two of them might be.
But they don't always take
those two.
Those could also be smaller.
So,
also, I mean,
Good.
And knowing that there's
mercury and a lot of fission,
whatever it is, a lot of
accumulants.
We don't want to take it. We don't
want to take it.
So when those big females, so
they come to the top.
And then they release a
hormone, and that attracts fish.
So then they'll draw one of the
males come in the room, and they'll
drop down, and then you'll have
anywhere from four to
12 males
that come around. So we pick the
males out from the female.
Better-tasting fish are the small
ones. Those are under
20 inches.
Those are the best-eating fish.
So that's the ones that
the only ones
The only ones that are females
that are
in a state that are hard is the ones
that are the same size as the males
that are in those.
And that
happens where you have good people.
That's not where we're
targeting the females.
There was an online question asking
if there's anything that DNR is
going to do to increase
harvest of large amount of bass,
something along those lines.
There is the work to get that no
minimum length limit on the
bass. So we are reducing
the length limit as well as
increasing the bag.
So it's becoming a more liberal
regulation for the bass.
That's working its way or being
going to be proposed at the
Wisconsin Conservation Congress
spring hearings this year.
So that's what the DNR is currently
doing for it.
for hopefully for implementation in
2020.
What's the speculation on why
there is such low recruitment?
There are so many potential
things that are impacting that that
we can't do a specific thing.
There could be changes in habitat.
There could be changes in
climate, water temperature change,
fish community, that silver bullet
identifying what that
actually is. If you can identify
that you will probably become a hero
in a very, very rich in the area.
You know, I've heard this
before, what are you guys
chasing, you know, what are
you chasing as the reasons
for why it's happening?
You've got to have some thoughts,
you know, you just can't keep coming
up and saying,
yeah, you can't
just keep coming up and say, well,
it could be the temperature, it
could be the chemistry, it could
be the ice out.
It could be the ice in,
it could be the temperature during
the summer, it could be,
you know, the bass.
What are you, which is the old
name?
All of those are being pursued
to see if those are the actual
cause.
So you've fallen up to this.
Inconclusive that on one leg
it'll be this on another leg
it'll be this another system
will be this they're all different
So getting that specific
silver bullet that is impacting it
Isn't known and that's why it's so
challenging because one like
responds differently than another
like another like responds
differently There's another like so
getting that overarching.
What is the actual cause?
It's tough when there's so many
different things that could be
potentially impacting and I mean it
could be a combination of things
impacting influencing together
that are causing this.
So getting that one thing,
I personally don't know.
I'm not looking for the one.
We are.
There's a lot of research going on.
trying to understand what
you're chasing.
It might be two things, it might be
three things, it's not going to be
one thing. I understand.
The nice thing about our partnership
is that we can all focus on
something a little bit different.
And I went through Aaron under the
bus here, you
know, Aaron's the climate change
biologist for Clifflick and he has,
you know, a lot of like shoreline
development habitat and those
anthropogenic effects
on the lake.
So
I would add those stressors to
the mix. I would say shoreline
development, that's a stressor
for young fish.
And I would say that chemical
treatments have also been shown
to be stressors for young fish.
And it's a problem, like what
Nathan's saying, it's probably a
combination of all those factors
and they're just not making it
to page zero.
When we sample them in the fall.
And so, you know.
on each system, it's going to be a
little bit different.
One system that might be there's a
golf course with rock,
and there's phosphorus going
into the system right next to
the strong.
Maybe there's boats putting in their
docks right on top of spawning
grounds at the same time that those
eggs are developing and trampling
the eggs and
developing fry.
It's going to be a whole bunch of
factors leading to
low recruitment or
no recruitment.
There's only so many things within
our control.
So those are the things that nascent
is working on.
That's angler harvest is one of
them.
Hopefully that if you increase that
adult population back to what it
was, maybe then they'll be able
to produce enough offspring that
they can overcome some of those
stressors that might be impacting,
whether it be changing fish
community. Also, we might be helping
to shift that fish community to
something more suitable, if more
bass are harvested and that kind of
stuff. So there's a whole bunch of
different moving parts in this that
are all being considered as well
as evaluated.
And that is the nice thing about the
partnership is we all can kind of
focus on the things where we have an
expertise on.
I want to call it an expertise, more
knowledge based on.
So the partner group allows us to do
that. That's one of the really nice
things. We get feedback from US Lake
Associations, you know, about usage
and priorities.
Mole can give us an idea about usage
and they can change their harvest
strategies.
I was also going to say that we're,
as biologists, we don't get out
there all the time in the spring.
You guys are out there all the time
using the system. So you might catch
on to some of these things, seeing
the change in the bass community
before we do, seeing the change in
the wall I fished here before.
You might be seeing that upward
trend where they're improving, where
we haven't been out there in a
while, so we don't get that.
So this partnership that brings
all these groups together and has
this open line of communication is
really important.
to keep everyone on the same page,
as well as transparent of what's
going on and potentially be able to
react more quickly to cell changes.
in those partnerships that we
hold.
comes to us this way,
they are really important.
And the knowledge that each and
every one of us brings to the
table needs to be heard and
we should be expressing them
a bit. The concerns are great,
but we see a lot of things out
there. And let's just go through the
years. I mean, we've had really
good water years,
but we lived through how many years
of drought.
And being out on those lakes in
the spring of the year, when you see
that a lot of the spawning
habitat is
nothing but dry land.
You know, no water on there, no
water for this fish to actually
spawn when we traditionally were
spawning.
And we lived through that for how
many years? Five years?
We had that drone going on.
levels going on for a number of
years. And again, they're coming
down again.
So we have to be concerned with
that.
But at night, you know,
it's not illegal to be all down.
and looking at the shoreline,
and I suggest that everybody...
are all raked out and
nice sand blankets
put down and
you know the rocks are a change.
we can still hear people flush
their toilets and you can still see
water moving out there.
There's some leaching from the
septic system in some of the bodies
of the water as well.
The other part is we're
trying to treat these lakes
under one certain
regulation, but in all actuality,
like you said earlier today,
they're all different.
Every single one of the systems are
different and you have to understand
what that system is that you're
a great lake, but I can tell you
from having been there and speared
years ago to going there
now, we used to always go to
the right of the whole lake and
go out to the point there and have
your fish.
Now it's like you can go to the
other side of the lake and other
people went to the other side of the
lake. I'm not saying that's the fish
went there, but this
last year or might have been a year
before we went out there on Crescent
Lake to do that same stretch.
Way too many weeds, nothing there,
but bass and crappies.
And you might have seen two walleyes
on the stretch.
Just not the same habitat that
they were spawning
in before.
So those were some of the things.
And Wayne and I, we like to go
around the lake if we have the
time, just to see what the entire
lake looks like.
So that's the history that we
have. remember once.
we base a lot of our harvest on
weather condition, the wind
condition, just
a lot of different things that
the other fishermen are going to do.
And we want to make sure that we're
out there harvesting the fish that
our community needs.
More than glad to work with you.
More than glad to share time with
you.
More than glad to take you on a
mission
and have you observe us
in our activity because
there's nothing wrong with that.
All of them, there's nothing
illegal.
When you say it's one way to the
bottom, it doesn't mean it's one way
to the bottom.
See you out there in the light.
I'll leave you with that.
Information and education is
what helps.
One of the things that I would
encourage anybody who is interested
in any way.
Before I said we're out there all
the time, you can see me.
But when you see a lake at night,
behind a light, there's so
much more that you can see that's
going on in that lake.
you know, how many fish are there,
what size the fish are, where
they're at, where they're at at
certain times.
And if all of
that live on the lake would just
actually go out there and get a
headlamp, because it's not illegal.
You can go around and you can watch
all of those fish where they're at,
what size they are, what health,
how healthy they are or not healthy
they are.
Who do we talk to?
These guys, because
they're not out there all the time.
They're asking us for information
that will help them
solve this problem.
So if we all do that
together, I mean,
I think that we'll get there a
little bit. Now,
there's some kind of climate change
things that we're
talking about and that may be
so, but we're also
talking about climate adaptation,
how can we, moving forward, how can
we adapt to this?
So those are things that Great Lakes
Inuit Fish and Wildlife Commission
is also dealing with.
So, you know, there's
a lot of things that
we're concerned
about.
We would like for
you to also participate with
the DNR and give your feedback
to them, because they're working
for you.
So I was supposed to be in, man.
something to try.
We can change our regulations
at a drop of a.
We can do that.
We can't make them sometimes
what we want because we
need to have it again.
be more restricted.
That's about it.
And you have to.
I have a question about this,
not the proposed regulation,
but the one you want to put in place
starting this May,
how is that information
disseminated to the public?
Is it going to be in the regulations
book?
like who laid to be in the
regulations book but it will
be updated online and
then if you check out like the nr
code it'll make there's an emergent
or there's been a change to this as
well as it'll be posting online
would there be a public notice that
would go out no but we will sign
Okay, we'll provide them.
and then say someone would go to
Crescent Lake and want to know what
the regulation is and looked up on
their phone, it would then be
changed online.
It's just the paper copy.
as well.
I know, they're not going to use it,
they're not going to use it.
Well, I gotta take a picture of the
big fish at the cache.
So we would post that regulation
sign right next to the current sign
that says consider.
And then using, yeah,
where that sign is considered
released, that would go right next
to that.
So people will like go
whoa
It'll be the same size,
right? Yeah.
We're being bright yellow.
Bright yellow.
And then we'll utilize the Lake
District and Lake Association like
we did with the catch and release
thing to make it aware to those
other people that are on the lake
and you guys share it with the
people that might be just using the
lake so it's taking advantage of all
those different resources that we
have.
So I'll give you an example of how
the lake association can thus
rehabilitate, like in Tonga.
One of the primary reasons why
the population of Malays went down
in the Tondo was the
overabundance of
bullheads.
So the tribe went out,
and with some help,
they electrofished the
lake, took as many of the big
bullheads out.
So it got to a point where really
they weren't getting any more, but
they had a lot of these little bitty
bullheads that we're going to be big
bullies.
So the lake association,
they recruited people
around the lake to
get permits to
go wade around in the water at night
and scoop up the
little ones.
So that was one of the
primary reasons why
there was some
volume. It seemed to rebound
relatively quickly.
So they're trying to
make it easier for
Congress It
bounced back pretty well,
but it was the
it was the cooperation of
everybody in the social
Dnr, it was that
the the the
county church by images tried it's
a good way.
So everybody was
That's what that's what we
want. I mean, it's
for everybody to get fish.
So I
just encourage everybody to.
I like that idea.
Let's do it at the beginning.
It's a little bit harder, because
you've got to go through that regulation
change. Once that regulation
changes, you can hook them and cook
them, turn them out there,
and those occur, and I'm not the
champion.
They're very good to eat,
people might shy away from
large-mouth bass, but I kind of
enjoy them.
I'll tell you what,
I never used to eat them in the
summer, not in the spring.
I caught them in the winter and in
the spring.
They're fantastic because I
never got that out of
me.
It's just like red horse
or a lot of good.
If it's coming out of cold water,
like an organ, that's the best time
to eat it.
I won't eat them in the
summer either.
It's all about that cold
water.
And we're actually at our fishing
meetings, we're trying to get more
and more of our people to
fish everything, not just wallabies.
So Chris and I,
we spear northerns,
we spear small
mouth, large mouth.
This guy smears
crappies in.
little fish also.
So, I mean, it's a variety
of fish and
they're all good to eat.
like it takes more skill to catch
the small ones and it takes more
skill to spear the small ones too.
Well, we got the smaller spears,
but they're like
the smaller frog spears in different
sizes, so, yeah,
it's, these
guys load up on me.
Good point.
as hard as you think, but there is a
lot more.
to sit in the lottery don't get to
put your hands in a
sphere of action at home.
Do you guys have any other
questions?
I got a question about what's
going on with the bus key.
Stocking this year because of
a screw-up that happened last year.
I don't know if you know that.
What happened with that?
Yeah, so from my understanding
the hat tree wasn't able to
produce enough fish So then
it ended up that crescent Lake
didn't get stopped with fish
They thought they had them, but then
they didn't, when they did the lake
before us.
OK. Now, we were
on the minus
the COVID year when
nobody.
We were on the even amounts.
OK, then we didn't get fish last
year, because that changed it to
uneven amounts.
We were going to get them on the
unevens.
So when are we,
when is it predicted?
We'll get some. Will we get it this
year? because we missed it
last year when we should have had.
No, because it'd be on that same
rotation that it's currently on.
So it'd be that next year, not
26.
Yeah.
So across the lake, we try to just
stock one species every year.
So we're going to start the rest of
the year down in Walleye.
Get it, though.
That hasn't been the case in the
past. There's always been 154
Muskies for the winners.
have muskies to make that up
this year. It's not like we can say,
Oh, we'll just put, you know,
fish out for fishing this last year.
We don't have that kind of
production that kind of finances
right now to raise that many
additional fish.
So it's going to be
So I can't presume
that because we didn't get them last
year, we were the last lake to get
them, that we would be first on
the list to get 154
this year. And 20.6.
No. But now, sit here.
No, you're- Because we
missed out on the year we were
supposed to get, now we got to waste
two years. It's a mess, yeah.
Yeah, it's a mess.
So, it's all I got to know.
So what happens if we something
goes wrong in 26?
And you wait till 28.
But that is the big point.
How do you recover from
that? Do you have consistently
some of the muskies?
You know, muskies are along the.
fish.
So it's not
like a child where
they're a couple years old and
they're harvested a couple years
after that and they're all gone.
I'm also here talking about
six years to reach low 30s
where you're starting to catch them,
look at mine, looking at about nine
to ten years to reach 40 inches.
And in this country the ones that
make like a 50 inch size,
it's only going to be Males don't
even get that big.
And you're looking at 18-ish
years on average to get to
that side.
So it's not, what I'm saying is not
as critical because you have that
longer span.
If you miss a gap, yes, there's a
gap there.
I guess I wouldn't expect
to miss two
cycles in a row.
But if you did, that would be a much
stronger argument to say,
Nathan, we're short.
Let's see if we can get an odd year
four or something.
Chad, you did the aging,
right? We got a pretty nice span of
H out there.
Yeah, we had a wide range
of your classes out there.
Pretty right about average growth
for most of the lights in the area.
As you know, we've been working on this for a long time.
Yeah, not that it's going to make
you feel better, but you want the
old one.
I know that doesn't-
Okay, so here's one other question.
This is from Mike, okay.
Because we always have problems,
are we gonna put chemicals in it,
but Eurasia Milk Foil is starting to
go crazy somewhere.
It's always been a.
high issue with the DNR and
our association.
Is there a
spearing map of Breslin
Lake?
This is the areas that you spear in,
so that we know to stay out of
there. If there is
a no-boil
problem there, to keep it out.
You have a spuring
party for Crest on Titan.
apps that do that, we pretty much
go by.
And just know where it is.
But one of the things that the DNR
does do is they
let us know whenever in our
area, they let us know whenever
there's a permit that's applied
for that will do
that, where they're just proposing
to
treat communities in Noflin,
and if it's a low-life
sparing lake, that's in higher
areas.
that we have a
say so um then
what it'll do if if they do
decide to do it they will do it
after Thank you
very much.
Is there a way,
since 1965,
I've watched where you guys fear.
So I pretty much know where you're
going.
And it's been that year almost every
year all the time.
But is there any way
that we could get something marked
for ourselves, knowing that
we shouldn't go into
these areas?
Because I'm not going to be around
all my life.
multiple levels of community that
make those maps.
It just may lead to just getting
back to the restoration.
No one's done a thorough evaluation
of the spawn yet.
It's possible there's
been a disturbance.
So we need to go back, talk
to Spears, go back
through this survey
maps, identify
where the spawn spots were,
identify them, and then
follow up.
We want to follow up to distance
habits and forces.
Right. I think that that's just one
of the things you want to bring in
that, because like Wayne was saying,
with regards to any
treatments that they take
away, they've been done by
ourselves, haven't they?
in art as well.
Yeah. Those treatments are fine.
But there's still some
concern about larval
fish, juvenile fish, that are
all logically the
other could be exposed,
you know, might not even be that
this morning around.
It's great to identify where they're
at and do a habitat study.
Also understanding where
larval fish go,
and then also monitoring
treatments,
or trying to project where
treatments drift, all that
kind of stuff.
Larval fish, not only walleye, but
perch, which are very important to
walleye.
When you guys do that, Mike, when
you get that together, and you know
the FUNC,
can you get a copy of that so
that we're talking together, but
we're also talking with the D and R.
Well, that's part of this wallets
like those concern is to bring us
together and have those
conversations.
That's what we did in June.
Um, I don't know.
We'll see what happens with the
regulations then talk and see what
we'll need again.
Maybe after the fall survey and see
how things are going.
But those are the things that we
want to address in
the wallets like such a certain
framework.
I think it's a good point, but
someday we're just want to
focus on these regulations.
Because this is what we can
control today.
Like, I'm looking for maybe, maybe.
And so that's what we're controlling
today.
But that being said,
I don't know. Do we have something
on the books?
Like, we're going to wait until we
get some more survey data.
Yeah, I didn't have plans,
but that doesn't mean we can't
schedule and plan ahead
and thought for it.
So I've been focusing on this one
for what's after this.
Just getting through these regulations
and then see where that goes.
I mean, we've done a good job
communicating with when we can get
new information when it becomes
available. Mike shared that with us
right away. So keeping those open
minds of communication when new
information becomes available is
what I was assuming it was where
we're going to go. And then if we.
felt necessary that another
in-person meeting was needed,
we could then form that.
But keeping those lines of
communication open as new
information becomes available.
I'm going to take
it off the
beginning here a little bit.
So to take what Mike is saying a
little bit further, I think we
should be identifying those spawning
areas. Are there anything, is there
anything we can do to maybe improve
that? But at the very least, we
should be designating them as
critical habitat.
And so I think that is
a good step forward
for the, once we develop
a plan for this lake.
Now, for chemical treatments,
we know that...
2,4-D, and I know that's
not being used anymore, but that
chemical, that
can decrease survival of larval
fish anywhere from 100%
to 100%, depending
on water chemistry.
And so they've switched to a new
chemical, brucellagor, which
we know nothing about.
So.
Nothing about how it affects larval
fish, okay?
And so, you know, if you're
applying these chemicals, you don't
know what it would be doing to those
fish.
And so I just, I caution you
if you're considering.
I guess I
need to jump in on something
you said.
I really think this is, as we're
going around, these are discussions
we have at a later point.
Like today, we're really focused on
the regulation and that,
and I think that's where we need to
stick with that.
We can let you respond quickly, but
after that, we really need to stick
with that and we can revisit the
need for the whole
herbicide and those interactions,
but we don't have that information
right now. So I think just let
you respond and then we'll.
But that's not true.
We've got documentation on
Crescent Lake.
The University of Wisconsin and
the Department of Natural Resources
came to us,
asked us to do a mineral study.
One of the years that we treated,
and we did exactly as Madison
wanted, and there was no
proof that any of
the larval fish that was involved in
that survey,
that...
perspective.
So I guess.
If you guys aren't looking at,
Scott came and asked me.
Scott came and asked me if we would
be willing to do this.
And we did.
And it was done at
the time of treatment
in a treated area and a
non-treated area,
separated significantly,
and blocked by land.
And it came back in, I don't know
if it was September or October.
And if
there was no issue.
from that report.
So that we know
about Crescent Blitz.
So I guess they're still putting
that study together and summarizing
those results.
But I got a different story
from Gavin than what you just told
me. So the idea of
that.
from him.
He has, once they incorporated
a bunch of other legs.
I'm concerned about Crescent Lake.
I'm not concerned about Swasham,
not concerned about Lake Julia
or anything.
I'm concerned, significantly
concerned about Crescent
Lake.
You know, it's, it's, and I'm
special inside.
I just want to make that so we're
going to assume.
I really think we.
need to revisit this later
on you got your point said
but when the group gets
back together maybe that's something
we discussed now because today we're
really focused on that regulation
and kind of getting towards our end
as you guys leave
there's a ballot to kind of
fill out are you supportive of going
to that seated territory
standard for a year knowing
that if that rehabilitation
or regulation does not get approved
it will stay as that
seated territory standard.
But if the
special regulation gets approved by
the Congress, it will go into
that seat of territory regulation
will only be in place for a year.
So there's about there you can say,
so you support that, you don't
support that, or you have no opinion
on that. And then for
the people online, there's a poll
that will be sent up as well so that
the people online can also
voice their thoughts on whether
or not they support this regulation
change or not.
So when Mike presented to the
Lake Association and he talked,
and I think you just mentioned it a
little bit earlier, how important
perch are for the walleye.
And we know that
the perch levels have gone
down significantly in
Crescent as well.
I mean, do you guys stock
perch or?
Normally,
we don't stock
purge or
raise them,
I guess I hadn't thought that
the purge were that low on there
and we don't really have the data.
to support those trends because it's
a little bit tricky.
We don't have a very good
understanding of how you sample them
when you sample them.
We come across them when we're
sampling, say, for walleye because
they spawn similarly.
But to get a good understanding of
what's actually going on there, we
don't really have a solid idea
of how you do that.
So we can't look at that trend.
So you're saying it decreases.
That would mean to us that it's
probably decreasing.
But how we address that, hopefully,
as we're making these other changes,
you're Producing or increasing
the potential harvest on bass.
You're making those other changes
that maybe they'll come back and
be more prevalent To help
the walleye within there So it's I
guess more just hope that the
change that you're making Had an
influence not just on the species
that you're making those changes to
but they kind of cascade and improve
the wall the purchase
to jump in till we do track,
at least attempt to track purge
in our fall surveys.
So when you think about
is probably important for especially
young walleye as far as
forage and what they're eating is
probably like two, three,
maybe four inch perch.
So you can have, those can be
abundant, but if you're eight,
nine, and 10 inch perch aren't
there, your anglers might not be
catching many even though there's
enough of the forage size.
So that's kind of a question maybe
about which size is
missing or if the population has.
overall lockdown.
Getting back to that spotlight
surveys, maybe if you guys go out
and do those spotlight surveys,
you'll see some of those smaller
perch or that, then you can report
that back to us to inform how
we make those.
So getting that open lines of
communication and multiple avenues
of data coming in would be
helpful.
Erin, did you get a chance to talk
about the materials you brought?
Uh, I think most
folks around the room, but, you
know, pop up here in the front.
So we have positive again, this is
the.
We're going to be talking papers
from, from real quick.
Um, you can subscribe to that if
you want to get it in the mailbox.
This is just your status update for
the seated territories.
Few years old now, but.
I handed that out when I presented
it to the group, so that
hasn't changed since.
We're due to update,
hopefully this year or 2019.
There hasn't been any.
Things that are in there are still
current.
access to power.
are monitored, and how the
artist system works,
like it's ready for
a day to spend six years.
And then the shoreline living
document, this is from the Midwest
Glacial Lakes Partnership.
It just shows you what a
native shoreline could look like if
the habitat has already been
disturbed.
So good to pass around.
You can order copies through their
website if you're interested in
sharing with other folks around the
lake.
And then this is
a brief explanation of
treaty rights in the city
territories.
So pick up those.
Thank you. And then.
Of course.
Uh, and lastly,
we are putting together a climate
adaptation plan.
into that point by taking the
survey.
Just hold your phone up, take a
picture of the QR code,
and swap.
It's a short survey.
So if we don't have any other
pressing questions, I'm going
to kind
of wrap it up, but
stick around and we'll talk
among ourselves.
We'll leave a moment for a little
bit for that.
If you have specific questions that
maybe that we didn't address or you
didn't want to ask, go ahead.
Wayne, are you OK staying for a
little bit?
I'm leaving.
I'm leaving. That's a long vlog.
I do want to thank everyone for
showing up. It was very helpful.
So appreciate you guys all coming
out. Hopefully you guys found it
informative and we can move
forward with the direction that
we're going as long as you guys are
still on board with the wall length
of concern approach.
Keep these open lines of
communication.
Whenever we have new information
we'll share it out with guys, so
I'll see you guys coming out.
Don't forget to vote on the channel,
click the bell, sign in, and be sure
to sign in.
Is that really doing anything, or
is it just? I mean, everyone said
no, and then it would be like,
oh god.
Yeah, so that's part of it.
It's the best time to spend the
night, to be at the
car battery.
That's when that's the one.
That's fine.
That's fine. That's fine.
That's fine.
That's fine. That's fine.
That's fine.
I don't understand the full length
of that sentence.
Uh, maybe there's something about
the past tense.
I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know. I don't
know. Agents, please, start
reading. I will take you to
the library to see if anything is
missing. Oh, can I just run
the right seat on the table?
I've got you.
All right.
Keep talking. I know.
I've got a system.
I'm going down. I'm going down.
I'm going down.
I'm going to go back to sleep.
We have been on to me there on the
ball. It seems kind of great, you
know what I mean?
Sometimes, yeah, we have been on the
ball. Sometimes, yeah, we have been
on the ball.
Sometimes, yeah, we have been on the
ball. Sometimes, yeah, we have been on the ball.
Sometimes, yeah, we have been on the
ball.
Sometimes, yeah,
we have been on the ball.
Sometimes, yeah, we have been on the
ball.
I don't know what I'm
talking about.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
I don't know what I'm talking
about. I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know
what I'm talking about. I don't know
what I'm talking about.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
I don't know what I'm
talking about.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
I don't know what I'm talking
about.
And I'm very surprised that you're
making such a great effort to do
that. I'm so proud of you.
I'm so proud of you.
I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of
you.
I'm so proud of you.
I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of
you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so
proud of you.
I'm so proud of you.
Thank you.
I'm just like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm
sorry.
I don't know what's
going on with this wrong system, but
I'll pay it back.
So, thank you for listening.
I have been asked this morning, but
I don't know if it's true, but maybe
it's not.
I don't know if it's true.
But I'd like to say thank you for
being with us.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for being with us.
They're dropping in.
They're not.
They're not. They're not.
They're not.
I think it's a multi-channel.
And then it came all the way to the
two of you going down.
So how's that?
That's fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. Thank
you. Thank you. And all of the
doctors there, I
think the
life history, and just the other
stuff, I know they've spent many of
them.
I don't know if that's the best
way to put it.
I guess it's the best way, and
it's probably the best way to
say it, you never have
to do all of it.
I think it's a huge, well, it's, and
I think that you don't care,
in general, how all of a sudden you
can make this very, very
obvious.
And I said, where
is it? He says,
here, I guess.
Oh, we'll drive 400 places to fish,
and I want to see how clear it is.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, even pretty.
What is?
I don't
know,
I don't know, I don't
know,
I don't know, I don't know. I don't
know, I don't know, I don't know,
I don't know,
I don't
know.
And I got it from me and say,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
I'm going on
vacation, I'll just stay here, I'll
just stay here, I'll just stay here,
I'll just stay here, I'll just stay
here, I'll just stay here.
So thank you very much.
So we got to get them all out, and
you probably don't understand.
Yeah, I'm probably just like,
man, if you were ever going to come
by, you'd just go
off, you'd get out,
we'd go over, see if there was any
vegetation, so it hadn't died back.
And it just exploded over and over.
You do smell it.
We're not, I'm not going to...
There's a lot of, you know, what
do you think that...
I mean, at some point
in time, if there is no time,
you can't, it seems like you have to
come again.
This time, thank you.
We're open.
We're open. We're open.
We're open.
We're open. I know that I'm going
to do this.