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of the summary here, walk

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last two weeks for you.

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pretty up and down, right?

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absolutely a rollercoaster, a

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whirlwind, you know, making a

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decision to suspend my campaign

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based off of the information that I

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had, which was really a tough

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decision to make.

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because so much information has

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changed since I stepped out of this

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race. And I like to make my,

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the best decisions based off the

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data, based off on the facts.

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And because that has changed, I'm

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back into the race.

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have seen an incredible amount of

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momentum since coming back

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in, back into game.

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To have Governor Eber's endorsement,

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laborers, mayors all across the

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state of Wisconsin, we're really

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excited as far as what we're gonna

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be able to do on August 11th and

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ultimately, when the governorship

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will keep it blue on November 3rd.

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look, somewhere down the road when

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you have time to reflect,

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do you think there'll be an

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idea that maybe this was a benefit

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to you, like, because it was a

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bigger splash coming back in,

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as opposed to if you just stayed in

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the race and then had a surge?

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right? So trying to wonder

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what would have happened or how

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things would have unfolded if I was

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in this race, we don't know, can't

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look into a crystal ball, but

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we did see a resurgence of energy.

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our relaunch party that was at our

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launch party and now I think it's

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become more of a real opportunity

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for us to not only just win this

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governorship but to flip the state

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Senate, flip the State Assembly.

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the momentum that we're building.

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we're just gonna coast through this

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primary. I have to earn every single

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vote and I plan on doing it.

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clearly shaping of there's Francesca

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Hong who's been polling pretty

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consistently in the lead, she's over

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on the farther left with her

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platform, and then there's

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everyone else kind of seeing who can

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be head-to-head with her.

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you could kind of split the centrist

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moderate votes of those that either

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like you guys better or

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are worrying about a general

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election that she might not be best

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suited for? Well, this is a

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democracy.

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Right? And that means that anybody

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can get into these, you know, run

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for office, run for county exec

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office or run for governor.

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because you're running doesn't mean

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you should become the next governor.

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same goal is to make sure that we

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can tackle the affordability crisis

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that people can afford, you to pay

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for their own groceries, afford

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housing, childcare, healthcare, you

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name it, and ultimately defeat

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time. Tiffany, we don't want to

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see a Republican, a mega extremist.

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post-primary, it's extremely

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important that Democrats hunker

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down. We got to come to the table

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and focus on building the necessary

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coalition in order to defeat Tiffany

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and Donald Trump.

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here, there's a lawsuit that's

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been filed by the Democratic Party

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trying to allow people to spoil

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absentee ballots.

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voted already.

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mind on how they voted.

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play when we're talking about

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something that may be a close

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election in the end?

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you know, the candidates, this

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about the people, right?

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mistaken, we suspended our campaign

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July 8th, they came up with this

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guidance July 9th.

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you allow people's voices to be

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heard. And when I received all those

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phone calls while I was out of this

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race, a lot of people were, were

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quite frankly disappointed because

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they felt like they, they cast their

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other name is Fort Naughton, so.

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I commend the Democratic Party of

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Wisconsin pushing this lawsuit,

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trying to overturn the guidance that

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was given.

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but we're so close to an election,

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we're just a little over a month

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from this election.

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election for Democrats picking

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the right nominee, I do think

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that there is merit to the case that

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the Democratic party is bringing to

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the Wisconsin Election Commission to

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allow everybody's voice to be heard.

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a third to half of Democratic voters

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are still undecided.

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Are they going to play, follow the

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leader, are they going look, are

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those people you think looking for

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who's got momentum, who's go the

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best chance, there's a theory

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that they don't want to spoil their

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vote on someone who doesn't have,

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even if it's their favorite

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candidate, that's someone who's not

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going to win.

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going to take that lead and join the

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winning team kind of thing?

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start off with what, like six to

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seven to nine candidates in this

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race. And so I can imagine how

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overwhelming that could be for many

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voters. But I work with many of

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these candidates in some type of

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capacity at the state level or as

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a county executive.

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voters, but I just want them to look

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at not just what we want to bring to

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the state of Wisconsin as far as our

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vision and the mission to make sure

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that every single community, rural,

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suburban, urban has an opportunity

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But who's in the best position to

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actually get it done?

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I'm the only executive in this race

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and I've had a great opportunity to

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do great work here in Milwaukee

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County and extend that work

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across the state of Wisconsin and I

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want to make sure that we can do the

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exact same thing as the next couple.

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Now, Republicans and national media

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are jumping all over the Democrats

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and disray and chaos.

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Is there something to be said for

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having more attention?

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oh wow, there is an election, I

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may have forgotten about that.

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throwing names and throwing bombs

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out there. I mean heck, they are

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even investing and meddling

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in our Democratic primary for

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governor. And so for me, I would

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like the Republicans to focus on

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their side of the aisle, focus on

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what they need to be doing while we

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sort this out.

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And again, democracy can be messy.

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their candidate, they want to push

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their candidate. But we can't

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continue to tear down

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one another, right?

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It doesn't matter where you lay on

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the political spectrum as a

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Republican or as a Democrat or a

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Democratic Socialist of America or

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MAGA, our goal is to make

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sure that we are delivering results

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for working families, for real

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people here in the state of

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Wisconsin. So I'm not worried about

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the labels and where people

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side on the political spectrum

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because at the end of the day, it's

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a lot of gray in politics.

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to work again.

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It doesn' matter what you believe in

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or who you want to vote, we know

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that we have to do better.

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matter what it looks like right now,

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of how clean or neat the democratic

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primary may be, once it's over,

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as long as there's unity, this will

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be forgotten by the time anywhere

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close to ballots coming out in the

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fall. Is that fair, do you think?

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think that we've

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experienced a lot of trauma, you

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know, in the past decade when you

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think about our elections, right,

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and we're still re-litigating the

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2020 election related to whether

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Donald Trump lost or not, and he

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absolutely did.

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right? For us to focus on not just

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the candidate themselves,

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but the policies and the coalition

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that they can build.

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opportunity for voters to really do

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a deep dive into each candidate and

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what they bring to table, but

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be messy, and so I just want folks

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to understand that while we

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are fighting for our candidate,

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let's make sure we're respecting one

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another and focused on our ultimate

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goal come August 12th.

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So talking about that, Tom Tiffany's

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had the field to himself for quite a

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while. He's been running a lot of

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positive ads portraying himself as

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the friendly guy at the bar.

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Is that going to be too much to

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overcome when it comes to redefining

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him in the eyes of people that may

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not have had an opinion of him

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before?

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to redefine him because he's defined

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himself already.

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I mean, he has been in Congress for

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a few years, almost a decade, if I'm

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not mistaken.

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And what his record shows is that he

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is willing to do whatever Trump

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tells him to do, or vote whatever

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Trump wants.

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And when he doesn't like it and

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doesn't want to take a bad vote, he

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just doesn't show up to

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session. And I think that people

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need to understand who he is.

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I mean he's created barriers,

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put up barriers when it comes down

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to reproductive freedom.

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He doesn't believe that we should be

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investing in childcare and public

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education.

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He wants to freeze, you know, our

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utility rates, which means that

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we're going to have to burn more

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coal and we won't be able to invest

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in the clean energy infrastructure

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that we need here in the state of

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Wisconsin. And so we don't have to

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redefine, we just have to make sure

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that people know who he has always

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been.

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And like my grandma used to say, you

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when someone shows you who they are

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the first time you have to believe

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them. And I think at the end of the

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day we have to show who exactly

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Tom Tiffany has been, not just as a

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congressman, but also as a state

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representative, excuse me, a state

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senator as well.

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Will there be enough money for

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a Democrat to be able to do that?

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There's stories coming out about the

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National DNC being deep in debt.

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The State Democratic Party has not

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raised nearly as much as some people

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might have expected to be to

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transfer to the winning candidate.

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Obviously you guys are spending all

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your money right now.

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What's that period going to look

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like in mid-August when

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he's running ads attacking the

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winner and Democrats are still

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trying to fundraise?

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Well, we've been able to see a surge

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in fundraising in the past couple of

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days, and we want to continue that

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momentum, because unfortunately,

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it does take money to run these

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types of races. And you think about

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how much money we're spending in

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these races?

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We could be solving the problems

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that we're actually talking about

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and running these campaigns on.

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And so we know that we have to

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continue to talk to as many

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grassroots supporters as possible,

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because it's about putting your

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money where your mouth is, right?

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And so if we want to not

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just win.

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The governorship and keep it blue.

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But if you want to take over the

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state Senate, take over to the state

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assembly, it's going to take money.

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There's one other power that I

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believe Trump's

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pun not intended, money

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power is, and that's people power.

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And so as long as we continue to

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build the necessary coalition,

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where we have voters, we have

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supporters, we have folks who are

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willing to volunteer their time to

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talk about this message, about what

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is actually on the ballot, because

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it's not just the candidates, it is

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reproductive freedom.

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It's affordable housing.

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It's childcare, it's healthcare,

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it is expanding badger cares, making

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sure that our farmers get access

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to the resources that they need

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so they can become more sustainable

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because they're not looking for a

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handout. So, as long as we

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continue to do that, build this

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momentum, there's no doubt in my

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mind that we'll keep the government

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ship.

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So you've been in this race,

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obviously, for a long time, since

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last fall.

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You've had months and months to

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travel the state, meet people, shake

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hands. Is this last stretch, though,

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just about dollars and campaign ads

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and getting your message out?

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Or is it still about meeting people,

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even in these last couple days?

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All of the above, you know, you're

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gonna need those dollars, right?

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Those dollars helped to pay for

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lodging while we're traveling across

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the state.

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Gasoline at the pump while we travel

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across the states, putting up ads,

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utilizing both traditional and

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non-traditional media.

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But it's also, I have to go out

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there. We have been traveling all

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across the State.

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We've been in Depeer, we've been at

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Marinette, we been in La Crosse,

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we've in Viroqua, we have been in

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Beloit, we're been in Madison.

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And all those days in just the past

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five, all those places in just the

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past five days.

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And so I don't plan on leaving no

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stone unturned, and we're gonna put

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a lot more miles on the truck to

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make sure that we're earning every

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foe across Wisconsin.

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Have you noticed people that

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maybe weren't as tuned in to your

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campaign, but now with like the

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return, it's like, oh, well, now I

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do want to check this guy out.

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You know, Governor Evers said,

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listen to this guy.

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Well, I think that right now, this

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is where people are actually

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starting to tune in a lot more.

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And so, you know, the relaunch

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definitely helped us with that

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momentum, and we know we need to

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continue to ride that wave, but it's

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going to take some hard work.

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So I'm looking forward to traveling

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all across the state with Governor

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Evers by my side, making the case

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on why I'll be the best governor for

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the state of Wisconsin.

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If you win, it's just going to be

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the new platform, like suspend

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midterm and then relaunch.

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I would not recommend anybody

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to suspend their campaign in the

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middle of this.

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You know, I'll tell you that we

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suspended our campaign, we endorsed,

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and once that information came out

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that next Monday, I started getting

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all these phone calls, and I'll be

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honest with you. I said no.

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Me and my wife, we said no, we

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booked a trip to Jamaica, we're

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ready to leave at the end of this

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month.

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But we prayed about it, and

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after that prayer, our prayer was

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actually answered.

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And so.

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You know, the biggest lesson that

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I've learned throughout all this,

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make sure you buy travel insurance.

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But they had to be because people

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talked about like the numbers in

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campaign financing like the numbers

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raised represent a

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momentum behind them and when the

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numbers are inflated that that's not

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the true picture right I mean

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there's got to be a gut punch of

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like what like

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I mean, it was a gut punch, but you

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know, I talked to Lieutenant

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Governor twice during that week

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before I got into the race, and

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I let her know while I was angry

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and disappointed by what had

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happened, I do not believe this

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is her fault,

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this is, you know her campaign

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manager's fault, who she fired.

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I was still going to continue to

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back her because at the time, with

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the information and the data said

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that we should do to make sure that

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we're allowing the best candidate to

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win this race. But when she made her

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decision to drop out...

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I made my decision to get back

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in, and so now,

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you know, I'm going to continue to

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talk to as many people as possible,

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keep my energy up, raise the funds,

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and I think that is showing that

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we're building so much momentum,

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$550,000 raised

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in the first five days, volunteers,

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labor organizations, elected

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officials, including Governor Evers,

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endorsing us, because they know

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about my judgment, they know the

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experience that I bring, and they

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know that I care about the people of

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this country.

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So is Jamaica rebooked or is

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it just on hold?

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I'm trying to still figure that out

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as far as what we're going to do

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with Jamaica, but hopefully I'll

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find out soon because we're supposed

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to be leaving on July 30th.

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Alright, anything else you want to

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add along these lines?

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They can get everything.

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All right, that's what we need.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate it. Thanks for coming in.

